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May 11, 2024 - Stew Peters Show
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JESUS. GUNS. AND BABIES. w/ Dr. Kandiss Taylor ft. Ryan Ralston & Jennifer Williams
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Hey, everybody.
Welcome to Jesus, Guns, and Babies.
I'm your host, our Candace Taylor, and I have an excellent show for tonight.
It's one I've been very excited about because it's a topic that I'm probably the very most passionate about.
So I'm going to start with Psalms 127, 3-5, and it reads, Children are a heritage from the Lord.
I want to say inheritance because they all are inheritance.
Offspring and reward from him.
Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth.
So they are like our arrows.
They are our weapon against evil.
Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them.
They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.
And this scripture, because of what we're going to talk about, I thought it was the perfect one for today.
I prayed and said, Lord, which scripture did I start with?
And it was this one.
So I have two people that are going to discuss a case that is a horrifying case.
And they're going to talk about it.
And I'm so excited to have them.
It's about the Sullivan family.
And if some of you have followed this case a little bit and have reached out to me and wanted me to kind of engage and help any way that I could and bring awareness.
And so we have Jennifer Williams and Ryan Ralston today to help us go and navigate to this case.
And we'll see how we can fix it because I'm a fixer and we're going to fix this case.
So welcome to Jesus, Guns& Babies, Jennifer and Ryan.
Thank you.
Thank you for having us.
Thank you for having us, Kim.
So, first of all, how did y'all get involved?
Before we go into the case, how did you get involved in this?
I was, my husband and I were foster parents here in Georgia and had another family that was going through what the Sullivan family is going through that we were advocating for at that time, just the Hernandez family.
And we reached out, my sister actually reached out to You Are The Power organization to get some help advocating for this family.
And once we went public with that family, multiple other families in Georgia came forward asking for the same support and help.
And that's how I met Ryan.
So what do you do, Ryan?
So I am the Georgia State Director for You Are the Power.
So I get the distinct privilege of working with Jennifer, her wonderful husband Jonathan, and her sister Mandy.
So we're a support team here in Georgia for families, and specifically for the families that we're championing right now.
And one of the families in particular that we're going to talk about is the Sullivan family tonight.
And so I became involved with working with these families through the Hernandez case, and it was a catalyst for a lot of stuff that we're doing in Georgia right now.
So is your organization is focused on helping families that are going through the same type of thing or is it helping with like lawfare for them or all the above?
What is your role?
So we do a little bit of all of the above, Candace.
We approach it holistically.
We're a nonprofit.
We operate in all 50 states.
We just happen to be championing reform right now when it comes to child abuse pediatricians, DFACs, and how law enforcement responds to the allegation of abuse.
It just happens to be on the forefront of the causes that we're championing right now in Georgia.
And so what we do is we help mitigate or help offset the cost of legal defense because these parents are going through one of the most strenuous, stressful, and emotionally taxing experiences they can have.
We offer counseling and counseling services at a free or reduced cost.
So we just, we use our entire network to approach this holistically and so tie all back into human respect.
And that's what we try to do here in Georgia with your other power.
So, are you in Atlanta?
Where are you near?
South Georgia, North Georgia, all over?
So, I happen to live in metro Atlanta.
Okay.
And so, that just happens to be where I'm from, but we have members throughout the entire state, north, south, east, and west.
Okay, so I'm just trying to give the viewers kind of a picture, because they'll be asking, where are they?
Because I know I'm in South Georgia, so they want to know kind of where y'all are placed.
Okay, so you know, I don't know if you know this, but Stu Peters, this is his network that I'm on, and he actually...
Helped baby Cyrus get reunited with his family.
They had been taken and put in foster care, and it was totally wrong what happened, and he got them reunited on his platform.
And so we had the anointing for that and for getting children back.
And, you know, I've worked as a school counselor most of my career.
I still work at a school board, and I'm a mandated reporter, and I do all the things.
I make defects reports.
I, you know, I've helped families...
You know, get services and rehabilitate it and get their children back if they're ever taken.
You know, it's rare that I see a child taken.
It's very rare.
In fact, there's situations where the parents are so on drugs and I think, why are they letting them keep their children?
They're testing positive for meth and they're doing all these things and, you know, there's been sexual abuse or there's been physical abuse and why are they getting to stay?
So I rarely see children taken anymore.
I used to, when I started my career 20-something years ago, I would see more kids put in foster care or with a relative placement, you know, pending certain things that had to be done in the house, cleaning the house up and, you know, drug testing and all the things.
So it seems like they're less involved in Georgia in my area than they used to be as far as taking children.
But this kind of thing like this and what we're going to talk about, it kind of makes me a little nervous.
Like maybe it's not as good as what I think it is.
So...
I have a really good relationship with my new facts, so I don't, you know, I don't experience this there.
Well, you know, my husband and I being foster parents off and on 13 years here, we have three of our five children are adopted through foster care system.
We've experienced a lot of what you're saying.
Sometimes kids would go back into a home that really nothing had changed or the drugs were still there.
What's different about the Sullivan case, the Hernandez case, the Tim's family, all these other families that you are the power of supporting is child abuse pediatricians.
That's going to be your biggest factor that they all have in common.
Okay, so explain to us what that is.
Child abuse pediatricians, explain what that is.
Sure, so big hospitals, children's hospitals, there's only 350 actually in the world, 350 child abuse pediatricians.
It's relatively new, came out in 2009.
It's a subspecialty, so you have to go through, it's like a three or four year training program to be able to find child abuse, right?
The difference between these cases, And regular DFACS cases.
Nobody reported these families.
These families walked into their pediatrician and was sent to a children's hospital, or they went into the emergency room of these children's hospitals.
That's the biggest difference here.
Nobody made a report.
Each one of these, and Ryan will be able to go through the Sullivan family specifically, but each one of them saw something in their child, okay?
A swollen leg.
They see a swollen leg and they're 12-week old and they say, you know, she's not crying.
She's happy.
She's content.
But I'm going to take her into the doctor because I'm uncomfortable with this.
My daughter, whose sugar was over 1,000 at 11 years old, and I didn't know she had lost weight.
I mean, I've been spanking her because she was acting so disrespectful.
I mean, literally tearing her butt up.
And just so, like, what is wrong with you?
I thought she was starting puberty early and maybe she was getting this teenage attitude.
Totally different child than I've ever seen before because she's meek and sweet.
And she was wetting the bed.
I thought she would develop anorexia because she lost so much weight.
And I had fasted for two weeks, 14 days.
I only drank water because the Lord laid that on my heart.
And I was like, something is wrong with her.
And I never thought it was like, I thought it was self-inflicted.
I never thought it was something else.
And so I was hearing the voice of the Lord really clear.
And he said, check her sugar.
And I thought...
Yeah, but there's nothing wrong with her sugar.
Like, she's 11, whatever.
And then I was at a cheerleading game with her, a football game.
She was cheering.
And my friend is a type 1 diabetic.
And she cheered with my daughter.
And she said, you know, you should check her sugar.
And so I did.
And it was over 600.
It read high.
So my friend starts crying.
We go to the ER. Her sugar was over 1,000.
Her A1C was 15.3.
They tried to lie flatter to Nemours in Jacksonville.
I know that that was the place here in this case.
And they tried to lie flatter there.
And I said, no, we're not getting on a helicopter because then I can't be with her.
We'll do an ambulance.
And the doctor at the ER was kind of like, are you sure?
Because she could die.
I'll repeat that in Jesus' name.
She will surely live.
And we will go on my ambulance.
We're not going to do life.
We're not doing a helicopter.
And so, because I thought, okay, her sugar is high, which I knew could cause heart problems from, you know, just understanding diabetes a little bit and hurt the stress of getting that helicopter kind of scared me for her.
So anyway, we got to Neymor's and they were wonderful, wonderful.
But what if they had seen that I was abusive to her?
Because I let it go this far.
They said if she had gone, it was Halloween.
So if she was going to go trick-or-treating and she didn't candy that night, then she said she would never have woken up the next day.
So was I negligent?
Was I a bad mama?
Right.
Well, that's the thing that I want people to understand because many people, they only hear the first part of this and they think, oh, well, the doctors, they're mandated reporters.
They have to keep kids safe.
They have to make these reports.
No one here, Ryan nor I, are disputing we don't want kids safe.
Of course we want children safe.
The problem is it's a snowball effect when you get a child abuse pediatrician involved.
So if Ryan wants to go through how it happened with the Sullivan case, That would be great to give people an understanding.
I'm sorry, I interrupted you.
So take me back to the child abuse, to the pediatrician, the one at the local, like for example, we were at the hospital, but her pediatrician was called.
So that local pediatrician is the one that referred to the hospital.
And you're calling that person a child abuser?
Pediatrician?
They are specific.
They have a specific license for child.
Or somebody at the hospital works there as a child abuse.
Correct.
I got you.
Okay.
Yes.
Sometimes they're a safety team.
Different states have different names, but they are a very specific subspecialty child abuse pediatrician.
But so before writing does go on, that's super important for people to understand.
Nobody called in on the Sullivan family, the Hernandez family, the Thames family.
They saw an issue with their baby.
So it would be like me.
It would be like me.
Exactly.
A normal person.
Yes.
I've never had a child abuse case before.
I'm a great mama.
And you go, and then they call.
Absolutely.
They start their investigation, and it goes downhill very quickly from there.
Okay.
If Ryan wants to take you through the Sullivan's.
Sure.
Yeah, if you don't mind.
So, Corey and Diana Sullivan, they're your typical high school sweethearts.
As a matter of fact, they met in middle school.
Like, they have been boyfriend and girlfriend and now husband and wife since middle school.
Their parents are three beautiful children, seven-month-old twins and a four-year-old daughter, Arabella.
All of their children were born in vitro.
Diana and Corey both experienced infertility issues, and so all three of their children were born in vitro.
So we're talking about a fairly wealthy family because in vitro is very expensive.
So they would have had to have saved money or gotten a loan to be able to have children.
So it was very important to them to have children.
This wasn't a family that didn't really want the kids or they got pregnant.
This was purposeful parenthood.
It was.
They tried for 14 years and spent their life savings having their babies.
Wow.
And it was something that they wanted.
When Arabella was born, their four-year-old was born, Shortly thereafter, Cory and Diana said, hey, we want to give Arabella a brother or a sister.
So they were going to try again.
And lo and behold, they were blessed with a boy and a girl.
Wow.
And so Cory and Diana were having twins, a little boy and a little girl.
Amelia's a little girl.
Christian's a little boy.
During the pregnancy, it was complicated, or there were some issues that Diana experienced with Amelia.
The babies had separate placentas, and Christian was growing according to scale, according to where he should be growing at.
Amelia was not.
She wasn't getting the nutrients that she needed, and the doctors were fearful that she had restricted blood flow to the placenta.
As a matter of fact, during the third trimester, Corey and Diana were told, if you try to deliver Amelia naturally, it's likely going to break every bone in her body.
Like, she's just so fragile at this point.
Like, we're just going to have to take your babies by emergency C-section.
And that's what happened.
So when the twins were born, they weighed, Amelia weighed just under three pounds.
So she was a little bitty thing.
And she was under 1% of the natural growth scale.
She spent the first 42 days of her life in the NICU. Corey never left her side.
Diana was home with the four-year-old and Diana was taking care of Christian.
And Corey never left baby Amelia's side during those first 42 days.
So the daddy stayed with the baby.
The dad stayed with the baby.
In the NICU, in the hospital.
And I want to stop you right there and just say, the NICU, I just had a really good friend that just had a baby and they were in the NICU. He was young too, he was like three pounds.
And You know, they were saying all kinds of things that were very, you know, cushy with the vaccines and very, there was a lot of stress and made her feel like they were going to report her and she was trying to do everything really natural and she just had an idea of how she wanted to do things.
She had researched things extensively.
I'm just thinking about they left this environment for 42 days where they were probably under very high-level scrutiny, right, and taking care of this baby and then got out of that situation to really just move into another bad situation because that NICU can be very stressful.
I'm telling you, my friend that just came home about two weeks ago and she was under so much stress.
I was like, thank the Lord I never had to deal with that because I would go off on somebody.
Yeah, and it was very stressful for them.
I mean, not only was, you know, all their babies born IVF, but to have one of their babies, the twin girl, not developing properly.
So both in utero and after birth, she was diagnosed with a litany of health conditions.
In uterine growth restriction, anemia, low platelets, limited bone mineral deposition, delayed bone development, hyperchromeic acidosis, generalized demineralization of the spine, and softness of the bones.
And this is all that the baby Amelia was diagnosed with, both in utero and post-birth, and that's what she was fighting so hard in the NICU for, for 42 days, for the first 42 days of her life.
So obviously, this is not the parent's fault.
Obviously.
Correct.
I'm a counselor.
I'm not a medical doctor.
And this is not complicated.
Yep.
And the catalyst started.
And you're going to see a lot of these cases, and we may not get into tonight, but a lot of these started.
The catalyst about seven weeks after Amelia was discharged from the NICU, mom and dad noticed that her right leg began to swell.
And so they took her to...
A local hospital there in South Georgia.
And the doctors there said, you know, there's some things going on.
We're not 100% sure.
Take your baby to the Children's Hospital in Jacksonville, to Wilson's Children's Hospital in Jacksonville, and let's have a workup done there.
And so that's exactly what they did.
And Corey and Diana ran into a child abuse pediatrician there, Dr.
Barbara Knox.
And Dr.
Barbara Knox did a workup of Amelia And notice that Amelia had some rib fractures and a femur that was in various stages of healing, right?
And so Corey and Diana didn't really think anything of it.
They just figured it was in utero, birth trauma, like the fact that they're going to get accused of abusing their three-pound baby, four-pound baby is the last thing on their mind.
Of course.
That's insane.
Of course.
And so the doctor diagnosed and said that Dr.
Barbara Knox said the only way that these injuries can be plausibly explained is if Corey, a 200-pound man, would have drop-kicked Amelia and kicked her into a wall.
She would have been dead!
So that's exactly right.
And so Corey and Diana were beside themselves.
They had this doctor saying that Corey literally drop kicked a six or seven pound baby that would have killed the baby.
And so the doctor notified defects in Georgia because Corey and Diana lived in Georgia.
Defects stepped in and immediately seized not only Amelia, but Christian and four year old Arabella seized all of their children.
OK, so.
First of all, when they came out from the NICU, they're trying to maintain birth weight.
They are not birth weight, exit weight.
And they're trying not to lose weight.
And it's so stressful.
Still, my friend, I'm telling you, two weeks later, it's so stressful.
Then she has all these health concerns, and never would they think that they thought that would be abusive.
I have friends from DFATS watching this in Georgia, and I'm appalled that Georgia would just automatically assume and do this, because Honestly, I have so much faith in our system here.
I have friends in Arizona, but this has happened to them.
And they have, you know, fought the system and they've got it overturned.
I just, this is horrific.
It's unacceptable.
And it gets worse, Candace.
It's going to get worse before it gets better.
I'm telling y'all, I will have to, I don't know, I'll have to go represent them myself.
Like, no, this cannot happen.
So they get back to Georgia.
Minus their babies.
Their babies are in foster care.
Okay, so rewind this.
They didn't put them in a safety resource with a family member?
Why?
Because it was considered an emergency order signed off by a judge that took the children into protective custody based on the sole opinion of one child abuse pediatrician.
Now, at this point, Candace, DFACS hasn't investigated.
No second opinions.
But can you tell me what county this was?
Yep.
Corey and Diana live in Camden County.
So they live on the Florida-Georgia line.
Camden County did this?
Yes.
A judge in Camden County did this?
Yes, ma'am.
Absolutely.
No way.
Yeah.
And he's doing it to another family, too.
I mean, they're not the only ones.
Yeah.
A judge in Camden County has done this.
Camden County is one of my counties.
Yes.
Yes.
We...
We're hoping that it would have struck a nerve with you and some of your listeners that this is going on in Camden County, because like I said, and this case is going to get worse.
The story is going to get worse before we can break and talk a little about the case specifics.
I'm sorry.
I keep stopping you, but I know my listeners are like, what?
Yeah.
We were the same way.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
I keep interrupting you.
They're going to say, quit interrupting him.
No, it's completely understandable, because this is floored every time I talk about this, Candace, and I know Jennifer is as well.
So not only does Corrie and Dinah have their three children removed from them, they are later arrested.
Wait a minute, where were they placed?
What county?
Was it in Camden?
It was in Camden.
Okay, so at least they're still in the same county.
Yes.
Okay.
And local law enforcement, St.
Mary's, opts not to handle the investigation, but they call in the GBI. So the GBI starts criminally investigating Cory and Diana.
Cory and Diana are arrested, charged with multiple felonies, and are out on bond.
For what?
Like what felonies?
For cruelty to children in the first degree and aggravated battery for the broken bones that Amelia had.
Even though it was diagnosed in utero and even though- Did anybody look at all the records?
Unfortunately, no.
Before the child abuse pediatrician made the determination that it was abuse, Amelia's birth records were not reviewed.
And it was the same hospital.
You're talking about this is the same hospital that she was born in.
She was born at Watson's?
Yes.
Yeah.
It's the same hospital.
Yeah.
And so those records, fast forward a little bit, Candace, those records, the birth records, the complications, the medical opinions of doctors other than child abuse pediatricians, have been blatantly ignored in Camden County by the GMO. Please tell me they have a copy of their own records.
They have limited access, and when I say limited access, once the child abuse protocol kicks in, then the state shuts down the parents' access to their own child's medical records.
And so what they had prior to is available, but what happened since the babies were taken into state's custody, the parents have been locked out of those medical records.
Okay, this is a lesson for everybody to learn.
Immediately get your child's records.
I'll be getting all of mine tomorrow.
Yeah.
Yeah, download them.
If you got my chart where you can log in there and get your records, download them.
Go to your doctor's office, ask for a copy.
It becomes vitally important because once this protocol kicked in, Candace, Corey and Diana were basically guilty until they'd proven themselves innocent.
And the burden of proof in juvenile court is not the same standard as what you have in criminal court.
So the burden of proof in juvenile court is the preponderance of the evidence.
Yeah, I'm in juvenile court every other week.
And so what the state did was they brought in doctor after doctor whose opinion coincided with Dr.
Barbara Knox's opinion that the only plausible explanation for baby Amelia's injuries was that she was abused.
Now, obviously, Corey and Diana brought in their own experts, but the judge didn't give as much credence to their experts as what the judge gave to the child-abused pediatricians.
And therefore, Corey and Diana are in the process of having their parental rights terminated.
Wait, wait, wait.
Three of their children.
Okay, that's not happening.
Yeah, I hope not.
So tell me, why do we not have a forensic interviewer interview the oldest child?
The oldest child, Candace, unfortunately, and I say this with a heavy heart, is regressing.
She's been without her mom and dad for over a year, almost a year.
She's in counseling.
She doesn't understand what's going on.
Her emotional, spiritual, and physical health is deteriorating.
And mom and dad, Corey and Diana, are worried that the harm that's been caused to Arabella I mean, this is a four-year-old who's been traumatized, who doesn't have their mom and dad, has been told mom and dad can't be with them.
They're under state's care.
The only time that Corey and Diana can see their own children is at a visitation center in Camden County.
As a matter of fact, Corey and Diana had to move out of their house.
And allow Diana's mom to sign a lease so the children could be returned to Diana's mom, taken out of foster care.
And so Corey and Diana willingly moved out of their own home so all three of their babies can be under the same roof again.
However, Corey and Diana, due to restrictive bond conditions, aren't allowed to be around their children without supervision.
So they are with her mama right now?
Currently, they're all with her mom, which is a blessing.
A blessing, yes.
Yes, because prior to, the twins were in a separate foster home, and Arabella was in a separate foster home, so they weren't even all together.
And so, at least it's taken this much, multiple hearings, and tens of thousands of dollars to get Diana's mom into their house to where she can watch over all three of their babies.
So are these charges they've done, these frivolous charges, are they still pending?
They were indicted by the grand jury?
They have not been indicted, Candace.
That's the thing.
These felony charges have been hanging over.
They're heads for months.
We've sent multiple emails, I would say, in the realm of 500-plus emails to Keith Higgins, the district attorney, saying, hey, do not indict Corey and Diana.
You are making a mistake.
These are factually innocent parents.
They have not harmed their children.
Well, I love Keith Higgins.
He was responsive to us, right?
I don't even live in Metro.
I mean, I don't even live down there.
I live in Metro Atlanta.
I emailed Mr.
Higgins, and within five minutes, he wrote me back.
Yeah, he's an awesome DA. He's awesome.
And he's gotten in touch with the Chief ADA in Camden County.
And so we're hopeful that based on the evidence, because you have to, I'll say this for your audience, Corey and Diana, they didn't talk to law enforcement.
The GBI never interviewed them.
The sole investigation that the GBI and DFACS did was relying on the testimony of the child abuse pediatrician that said it was abuse and there was no other plausible explanation.
There has been no due diligence on the behalf of DFACS or local, or I say local law enforcement, but the GBI, to properly vet and investigate this case.
But they follow also yet on Wolfson's?
They have not.
I know that's something that the family has discussed privately, but at this point, no lawsuit has been filed.
Formal complaints have been filed against the hospital.
Formal complaints have been filed against the doctor.
Thus far, they've not gone anywhere.
Yeah, and formal complaints have been put in.
If you look up Dr.
Barbara Knox, she's left Alaska, she's left Wisconsin, and she's had so many families sue her.
She's had an entire floor of nurses quit on the same day because Barbara Knox was bullying them into changing paperwork, trying to bully other nurses to say parents were abusing their kids.
An entire floor.
Like a law enforcement officer on the street?
It's a great question.
That's a great question.
And so one of the things that we've been able to research thus far is that federal funds kick in when the diagnosis of abuse is made by a child abuse pediatrician.
And those funds go back to the local DFACS office.
Those funds go back to the community.
And so in our opinion, based on what we've seen thus far is There is a financial incentive for child abuse pediatricians to say abuse occurred when none has.
Okay, I'm sorry.
I'm just thinking, like, this is America, and we have the right to send our children to public school or private school or homeschool them.
We have the right to choose what they eat.
We have the right to teach them about Jesus Christ.
We have the right to make them a Jehovah Witness if we want to.
Like, it's our right as an American to raise our children.
The way we see fit.
Now, if you're molesting your children, or you're raping your children, or you're severely punishing them with a gas chamber of ammonia and bleach, and you're sick in your head, or you're physically abusing them, and they're bruises all over them, and you're pushing them in the face, and they're timid and weak and hiding.
I've seen some really bad abuse.
That's one thing.
But for you to just take children that are medically fragile and no abuse, no history of anything, no forensic interview of that older child, nothing?
How does that happen in America?
Much less how does that happen in Georgia?
We're asking ourselves the same thing.
And just to Has anybody called Governor Kemp?
We've emailed Governor Kemp probably a thousand to two thousand times.
We've called.
We cannot get a response from anyone from the governor's office.
We can't get a response from anyone from the lieutenant governor's office.
Okay, so Brian Kemp, I'm going to need you to care about children because Marty says that she is all about kids that are trafficked.
Okay, so we have our own children that we have a family who were high school sweethearts really since middle school and they couldn't have children and they pay for in vitro to have children and then they had a medically fragile child and all this trauma and the hospital in Florida is calling your defects and your defects is ripping them and your judge is allowing it?
And all we've asked is for a meeting.
Sit down with the Sullivan family, the Thames family, the Hernandez family, the Alexander family.
Sit down with these families who are factually innocent because his name is on all the criminal stuff.
His name is on foster care stuff.
So when I had the Hernandez children, you'll have Brian Kemp's name on foster care placement.
You have Candace Brose, who is director of DFACS. We've tried.
I had a meeting with DFACS, Candice.
My husband and I sat down when we started supporting the Hernandez family in October because we knew baby Emma was medically fragile and DFACS was ignoring our plea.
They closed our home, Candice.
They shut our home down.
We can no longer be foster parents because they said we don't have the same goals anymore as DFACS does.
Our goals are to keep kids safe and to reunify families.
Why are they trying to Our goals are to take children from their parents?
That's how it looks.
I mean, that seems like Nazi Germany.
Yes, and Candace Brose won't meet with us, and Brian Kemp won't meet with us, and nobody will respond to us.
This is wrong.
You can't TPR on a family after two and three months of going through.
They haven't even finished a case plan, and you're already TPRing them.
That's not how DFACS works.
No.
And I mean, I'm telling y'all, I have wonderful friends in DFACS. They're going to be appalled.
I hope they are.
My juvenile judge is amazing.
Like, he would never do this.
Like, I don't understand it.
Like, I cannot, I cannot understand it.
I don't either.
And it's not just the Sullivan's.
That's what's sick about it.
It's a problem.
We're helping families across the state right now.
I don't expect it out of a liberal judge that is an idiot and wants more government control.
I don't expect it out of a conservative judge in Camden County who's a very red county who would want freedom for parents to raise their children without government overreach.
Candice, I'll tell you, and I'm not trying to browbeat DFACS because I'm not.
They absolutely have a vital job because the sad reality is parents abuse their babies.
Yes, absolutely.
But when DFACS gets it wrong, and in this case they've gotten it severely wrong, they've fractured an innocent family and they're causing irreparable harm to children.
And that's what's so concerning for us.
As a matter of fact, Candace, last week, a DFACS worker in Camden County, I don't know if it made the local news, he was arrested for aggravated sodomy.
He was propositioning mothers of the cases that he was working for sexual favors in exchange for him getting their children back to them.
He was arrested by the St.
Mary's Police Department.
It was last week.
What is going on in Camden County?
I'm not going to go down there.
What's going on?
Yeah, it's a sad situation down there.
I hate it for the DFACS workers who are there doing their jobs on a day-to-day basis, putting in the work, helping children, doing what's right.
We're just asking for a pause.
That's what we're asking for right now, is if these judges could just stop for a minute and think rationally before they make these decisions and terminate parental rights of parents who are factually innocent.
So if they terminate, which are not going to terminate their rights, like Jesus' name, that's not going to happen.
But if that happened, is her mama going to get to adopt them?
I mean...
The short answer is the Special Assistant Attorney General in Camden County has alluded to the fact that he would try to prevent...
Diana's mom from adopting her own grandchildren.
He's not come out and just publicly said that.
He's just alluded to it in court.
And so that's something that has given the family greater pause and greater concern because if their parental rights are terminated, there's a chance that the babies may not be adopted by blood.
Does he think that he's God?
It's from what I have gathered, Candace, from From people in the courtroom, he carries himself as such.
Okay, well, you're not God, Betty.
You're not.
And they're not your children.
So, you know, this makes you scared to live in America.
Like, this is something that happens in third world countries.
Countries like China.
Communism.
This is real.
This is scary.
To add insult to injury, the juvenile court judge ordered Corey and Diana to pay $2,200 a month in child support, and that child support is not even going to Diana's mom.
It's going to the county DFACS office.
So, Diana and Corey, not even living in their house, they're having to pay to live somewhere else, and they're under an order to pay $2,200 a month in child support.
How can they pay child support when it's not going to their children?
It's not going to their children.
Is that legal?
Is that legal?
It's legal in the sense that it can be ordered.
It's unusual for a judge to order parents before terminating parental rights to pay child support on their own children, knowing that that money's not going to help care for the children.
And they're still paying for their children.
So Corey and Diana are buying diapers.
Diana makes all of her food for her baby.
She home makes all of her food for her nine-month-old twins.
I mean, they're already paying for clothes.
They're paying for the house that they're Family is living in.
So on top of all of that and on top of all of their legal fees.
And they've never had a dirty drug test.
No, absolutely not.
These are the most...
They've never had...
But I don't want somebody to ask that question watching this.
They've never had a dirty drug test.
They've never had their oldest daughter ever report any kind of abuse.
The mother's never seen anything that would lead her to think that they were abusive.
Their neighbors, their church family, their anything.
Correct.
There's not one testimony of Corey being abusive or domestic violence or work people that think that there's something quite not right with them.
Like, there's nothing.
You would love, Diana.
You and Diana are two peas in a pod.
Yeah.
Jesus loving, God-fearing, love your babies.
Yeah.
Women.
And I misspoke.
Candice, I want to make a correction.
Corey was arrested.
Diana was not.
I apologize about that.
We're going to pick on the daddy.
Let's pick on the daddy because he's the man, right?
Which is...
It's also a problem, though, because a lot of people have asked me, why can't the kids go with Diana?
Only the father has been charged.
You know, and that's in some of these other cases that you are the power supporting, you'll have both are arrested.
Only one is arrested.
Nothing adds up or makes sense with any of them.
Why can't Diana have her babies?
Yeah, well, this isn't going to stay.
This isn't going to stay.
Yeah, this isn't going to stay.
How do we get a meeting with the governor?
I mean, how do you do that besides putting in this?
I don't think we're going to need blind camp.
I have faith in my South Georgia defects.
I honestly do.
I have faith in them.
I don't know the Candace girl at the top.
I've never sent her name on stuff, but I don't know her personally.
But I have faith in some lower-level people that are supervisors, and I have faith in my DA, my district attorney, and I don't know that judge, but I just believe they're going to do the right thing and they're going to see the other perspective and really think through this before this blows up in national news.
Yeah.
I mean, the other family, the Hernandez family, has made national news.
You know, they're in Forsyth County.
The problem is these parents want further testing.
Now, Amelia Sullivan, as Ryan already listed, was born with a list of medical conditions.
This baby was born medically fragile.
Her parents knew that.
Some of these other kids That we're supporting.
They need testing done to find out why were their bones so fragile.
And some of these candidates, they had hearings, adjudication hearings, where medical professionals did give a diagnosis, metabolic bone disease, rickets.
And a judge, juvenile judge said, I just find the child abuse pediatrician more credible.
Why?
Why can two doctors say metabolic bone disease for this baby, rickets, but she needs more further testing?
And guess what?
Months and months and months and months goes by.
The state will not allow parents to do testing on their own children.
Why?
Why can you put them in jail?
Why can you have charges against them?
And they are requesting their babies to have medical testing done.
In fact, the Thames family, they have a diagnosis for their baby.
They know exactly what's wrong with their baby.
Deepax was in the room when they flew to Boston and got their diagnosis for their baby.
When they got back to court in Georgia, the judge said, doesn't mean you didn't abuse your baby.
That's sick.
This is a problem.
Do we have these pediatricians, abuse pediatricians, whatever you call them, do we have them in Georgia?
Oh yeah.
Yes.
They mostly work out of Children's Healthcare of Atlanta.
That seems to be the catalyst for...
Are they in Augusta?
Are they pediatric?
Y'all are there?
Are they in Augusta?
That I don't know of.
I know there's at least four or five child abuse pediatricians based out of CHOA that cover, for the most part, they cover the entire state, even through satellite offices.
Okay, so that Wilson's is amazing, and Neymar's is amazing.
They're awesome.
The hospital, the research, they're phenomenal.
The nurses, the doctors, they saved my daughter's life.
They're awesome.
Whoever is in this job description, that needs to be terminated.
There should be none of that.
Yes, it needs to be abolished.
It's so new to begin with.
And Eli Newberg is the one who helped create it.
This is not how he wanted it at all.
He wanted it to be a forensic subspecialty.
But they took it a child abuse pediatrician.
They hated it.
Yeah, yeah.
First thing I said was about forensics.
Like, you have to have some kind of evidence.
You don't just take children.
Candace, some of these parents don't even see their child's x-rays.
They get arrested for abuse charges based off of broken fractures, broken bones, and they don't even get to see their child's x-rays.
This is why people are paranoid and there's a whole conspiracy about defects in other states taking children to traffic them.
This is why.
Because this is so insane.
Yes.
And you know, you said earlier you have DFACS friends.
I just want to say that, you know, we were foster parents for 13 years.
We were good people.
There's DFACS people that work in DFACS that I think are great people.
So definitely this is not DFACS as a whole.
But when you talk about the higher ups and we sat down and had a meeting with regional directors, county directors, they listened to us and then said, well, have a nice day.
They don't, they do not want to really listen.
Candace Gross does not want to listen.
Well, do you think it's because they got the GBI involved and the GBI messed up?
And so now they don't want to go against what the GBI says?
Because a lot of law enforcement look at the GBI like they're God.
They're investigators.
They're not anything superior to the local.
I mean, the sheriff...
And every county is the highest constitutional officer.
It doesn't matter if GBI comes in.
They are the top dog.
And so they had this misconception that the GBI takes precedence and they just bow down to them.
And I'm wondering if that's what happened.
The GBI got involved and they came up with this solution of let's remove them until we know more to keep the kids safe and nobody wants to overstep them.
Well, the regional director, I don't know if you want me to say her name or not, but regional director, Region 2, she told us, you know, sometimes when child abuse pediatricians get involved, there's nothing we can even do.
Once this starts going, there's nothing we can do.
That's not true.
And you also need defects.
What's the whole point of defects, right?
You're supposed to be there for families.
You're supposed to support.
You're supposed to reunify children whenever possible.
Why are caseworkers lying to parents, hiding things from parents, talking down to parents, treating them poorly?
This is the problem, and that's what I've seen with my own eyes.
I just don't understand if there's no report of domestic violence, there's no drug test, there's no witness of abuse.
The daddy or the mother, nobody could have taken this fragile six pound infant and keep them across the room.
They would die.
They would be dead.
Yes.
Like that does not make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
And we've been trying to wrap our brains around it for half a year now about how one doctor can draw that conclusion and everyone down the line says that is plausible and makes sense.
It blows my mind that a rational medical doctor Can look at that.
And there was no physical bruising on the outside of Amelia's body.
There was nothing that showed any type of physical injury.
Her legs were swollen.
They took her to the doctor and they said, oh, well, she's got some rib fractures at her healing, her femur's healing.
It looks like it was an older break, could have been in utero.
And then this child abuse pediatrician comes along and says, well, it looks to me like dad probably drop kicked the baby.
Like, they're allowed to speculate, right?
They're allowed to get speculation.
Not in family court.
And I'm going to tell you, who said that comment?
Barbara Knox.
So, okay.
I'm just going to tell you, if you're going to make a comment like that about a parent, you never have proof.
Because that is on you.
Like, you just...
Totally wrecked these children's lives.
I feel so sorry for the parents.
Don't get me wrong.
It's so alarming.
But these children and the trauma from being ripped from their parents, we're adults.
And I know kids are resilient, but when you're at this fragile age of four years old and you're only with your parents, And they're your everything.
And then you're told, like, you can't see them.
They've hurt your sister or your sister and you can't be with them.
But that in itself is traumatic.
And you know it's not true because they've never hurt you.
Your mommy and daddy's always loved you.
They've always protected you.
And now you're telling me my mama hurt my sister?
Well, maybe it's not reality.
Think about all the psychosis that could happen from that.
And that train of thought and that manipulation and those lies.
But now you're believing as a belief system because you're innocent.
You're a kid.
As a counselor, listening to this, I'm so upset.
I can't even understand the thought process around this.
well if we can get more people I think she froze yep If we can get more people to feel how you're feeling right now and how Ryan and I have been feeling for months for these families, we can maybe actually fix this.
That's the problem.
Well, I'm very passionate about...
Protecting families.
So I don't want children abused, and I will hurt somebody.
I'm abusing children.
Like, do not mess with children.
But I'm also even more passionate about parents having the government out of their business.
And you better raise your family and you make the choices for your family.
And even like I love Jesus and I want every child to have the opportunity for salvation.
But guess what?
If you don't want that for your children and you are against that and you're an atheist or you're whatever you are, we live in America and God wants you to choose him free will.
So I'm never going to push that on you.
You have that right and nobody should come and try to take your kids because you don't believe what they believe.
And so It really is alarming that we have a governmental system that can just come in and just take your children and accuse you of things you didn't do right here in South Georgia.
In an instant, within hours of you walking into a hospital on your own, looking for help.
Dr.
Barbara Knox wouldn't even look at her birth records, Candice.
Why?
Why would you not look at this baby's birth records?
That's the first thing most doctors want, right?
Past history, medical history.
Where are you at?
That's definitely negligence.
Malpractice.
That's malpractice.
You have records.
Why are you not looking at them?
Yes.
Why did Wolfson's hospital hire Barbara Knox?
That's a big question.
You look in her past.
Probably they got COVID money.
Yes, you're probably right, sadly.
Because this demon is affecting everybody's life, this COVID demon.
Yes.
So, I'm going to pray, and we don't have it a few minutes.
I'm going to pray for them, okay?
So, we're just going to do that right now.
And so, in the name of Jesus, I just command, Lord, your will to be done in the Sullivan family.
I thank you for supernatural healing for these children and for these parents.
God, I thank you that this couple stays married, that they are committed to their covenant.
covenant.
I can't even imagine the attack that they've been under and the, but the enemy trying to rip apart this beautiful marriage.
And I thank you, Lord, that they hold tighter to each other than they ever have.
And God, I thank you that you protect these babies.
I plead the blood of Jesus over all five of them and over the mother, the grandmother.
And Lord, I thank you for you making a way where there's no way.
I just right now, God, I ask that you speak to the heart of the judge, the juvenile judge, that you speak to the heart of the district attorney, that you speak to the heart of the defects workers, that you speak to the heart of the doctor at Wolfson's and that they are woken up in the middle of the night.
They can't sleep, that they are totally just overwhelmed by your presence and your conviction that this is wrong and they have to get it fixed.
Lord, Lord, speak to them.
I know some of these people are your children and God, I ask you to speak to them and for you to change their hearts.
You're the one that turns hearts, Lord, and we trust you that you're going to turn these hearts.
And God, I thank you that you order my steps and my words and that you do Jennifer and you do Ryan's as well.
And that we have victory in your name, in Jesus' name, that we have victory for every single one of these families and that these children are protected.
God, they're your children.
And your word says, if we do something bad to these children, it is better for a millstone to be tied around our neck and as to be cast into the sea and drowned.
And drowning is the worst possible death possible.
And you said that would be the thing that we needed to do if we were to make a child fall.
And so God, I just ask you for your restoration in this moment.
And Proverbs 6.31 says, when the enemy comes to steal and he takes from us and we call his hand, he has to repay it seven times.
So I thank you for seven times of victory coming to the Sullivan family in Jesus' name.
And we give you all the glory.
Amen.
Listen, we, this will not stand.
We will not stand.
We have a just God.
We will not stand for this.
It's just not going to happen.
So we're going to fix it.
God's going to give us a creative idea.
He's going to open a door that nobody can open.
Whether that's Levin or Kemp and Marty, first lady Marty Kemp.
Whether that's our DA. Whether that's the judge in Camden County.
Whether it's defects themselves.
I don't know.
But God will make a way where there's no way.
And we're going to stand on the word and truth.
And I thank you both for fighting this, for doing this foundation, for doing this organization.
And I believe that you are going to get to have foster kids if that's what you want to do.
Because that's the enemy stealing from you.
The enemy wants to steal from you, Jennifer, because he knows what you and your husband do for these children.
And you have a heart for that.
And so you claim Proverbs 6.31 for your family.
He's not going to steal what God has for you to do for families.
And so we just, I'm so glad that y'all reached out to me.
I knew the day that I read the story, somebody tagged me in it.
I knew I was supposed to have them on.
I knew that I was supposed to know what was going on.
I hate that it's taken weeks because I would have already dealt with this weeks ago.
But we're going to deal with this.
Well, we appreciate you giving us the time.
I will be everything in my power.
God has blessed me with this platform.
It's not mine.
I'm nobody.
But I have a platform and I have a name now.
And I will do everything in my power.
And I will tell you more than my name, I have Jesus Christ inside of me.
And He speaks to me and He moves mountains for me.
And I will do everything in my power to reunify this family.
There's nothing more important than family, your children and family.
There's nothing for anybody.
So I appreciate that.
And you have our email.
So any questions that you have moving forward, please reach out.
I sure will.
I didn't realize y'all had my cell phone, but I will email you my cell phone number and I will make a couple of calls tomorrow.
I might make one tonight if it's not too late.
Yeah, you're amazing.
I really appreciate you having us on and taking this opportunity to share the story.
Will you tell everybody really quick how they can donate or how they can get involved and help?
What if somebody wants to volunteer in your organization?
Will you tell everybody?
Sure.
If you go to youarethepower.net slash Sullivan, you can get all the information that you need on the Sullivan case, how to contribute to help pay for their legal fees, get a little more background.
And then if you're interested in becoming involved, you can go to our membership list on youarethepower.net.
Just click on Become a Member.
It's free.
It doesn't cost you anything, and you can get plugged into what we're doing here in Georgia.
Thank you all so much.
I love y'all.
God bless you.
I'll see y'all next week.
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