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March 28, 2024 - Stew Peters Show
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Millstone Report w Paul Harrell: Anti-Trans Warrior Jeff Younger Interviews On SATANIC LGBT Agenda
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The rainbow Gestapo, the goose-stepping gay lobby, all of that stops right now.
People say we need to make America great again.
I completely agree.
We may need to make Gallows great again.
Literally so many people that need to have a millstone put around their neck and tossed into the sea.
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you so much for being with us.
Welcome to my show.
decision that was made across the pond, the UK's National Health Service has decided that it will no longer allow the prescribing of puberty-blocking hormones that enable minors to chemically castrate themselves.
This news has predictably triggered the transgender freaks on the left who view minor children as sexual objects.
However, it is to note, it's important to note, that the chemical castration in England can continue if the people over there that want to do it seek out a private doctor.
But But even so, this is a positive step, as we told you yesterday, back up the slippery slope, however small it might be.
As we've told you before on this program, all of this degeneracy is leading, or that is leading, rather, children on a path to hell are will eventually lead to the normalization and legalization of sex with kids.
Now, we live in a world that is consumed by sex.
It's consumed by sexual identity.
Everyone seems to be obsessed with sex.
Many believe the lie that your sexual desires make up the core of who you are.
That the most important part of a human, the very essence of a human being revolves around your individual sexual lusts and fetishes.
It's disgusting.
But nevertheless, we live in a sexualized society.
A hyper-sexualized society.
The rainbow deviants believe sex defines the value of a person.
It's why I call it a sex religion, and it's why they are trying to convert our children.
So a child knows nothing about sex.
Ideally, until they encounter the LGBTQRSTLNE, would you like to buy a vowel, perverts, they try to change that.
A child, though, ideally is innocent and doesn't even know what sex is.
And to adult perverts, this just does not compute with them because they see themselves as primarily sexual beings.
They don't know how to process a child who doesn't know anything about sex, doesn't see the world through a sexual lens.
It's a direct conflict with their religion, so they target that childhood innocence and demand these kids become sexual beings via wicked sexual indoctrination.
So to be clear, this desire to sexualize our kids is based in pedophilia.
It is pedophilic.
It's evil and it's wicked and it must be stopped.
And one man who knows well the depravity of the deviant sex freaks...
Jeff's son has been legally kidnapped by his ex-wife, who has been transitioning him to a girl.
Recently, you saw him this week on the Stu Peter Show, where they discussed her latest attempt to ask a California court to end a Texas court's injunction so she can begin giving her son hormones and chemically castrate him.
It's all really tragic.
Jeff Younger, though, joins us now.
Jeff, welcome to the Millstone Report, sir.
Thank you so much for being with us.
Glad to be here.
Thanks for having me.
So, I have actually heard, I believe, this idea about how the left views our children, or how the LGBTQ views our children through a sexual lens, I think I first heard that from you, by the way.
It was probably last year, you were on the Stu Peter Show, and that really resonated with me when you said that, that this is the problem, is that they don't know how...
To see children any other way because they're obsessed with sex and they can't imagine a being that's not obsessed with sex.
So they don't know how to handle kids.
Yeah, you know, one way to illustrate this is a discussion I had with an NBC producer who wanted to interview me and I think he was trying to get a gotcha interview on me.
He finally got me alone.
We were at a restaurant.
And he kind of spilled this out.
I think he was probably secretly recording.
He said, now you're a Christian, right?
And I said, yeah.
And I said, I'm an Orthodox Christian.
And it was on a Saturday.
And he said, well, are you going to go to church on Sunday?
I said, yeah.
You want to come with me?
And he said, well, I don't know.
I'm gay.
I think he wanted some kind of gotcha on tape.
And I said, okay, well, tell you what, you know, we fast before we go to the liturgy, and we fast until after we've had communion.
So just don't be gay until after communion, which would be around noon.
So just wake up Sunday, don't be gay.
And then just fast from being gay until after communion.
And the first half of the service for an entire hour and a half is just for you.
It's for catechumens who are not in the faith or who are lost in the faith.
So if you can fast from just being gay, and then maybe later you can start fasting a whole day from sundown until you get to communion.
I said, you know, we all have our sins and we all fast from our sins before we go to communion.
He looked at me like I was crazy and he said, but then I couldn't be who I really am.
And I said, well, that's the issue.
You think you're a biological computer with largely unconscious desires, and you've been programmed to have certain sexual preferences.
I think you're an immortal soul with infinite dignity, and I think you're just much more important than that.
So why don't we discuss this different anthropology you and I have, since that's the real issue, not you being gay.
Wow.
And he actually started crying.
And there's a movement, a modern movement which looks upon human identity as intimately tied with sexual behaviors.
And so what happens is the behavior of these leftists, I don't know what to call them, expressive individualists is a word I've used in the past.
Their behavior is perfectly rational because they look at a child who has no sexual identity and they think they have no human identity at all.
And so they actually believe they're being benevolent by giving a child a sexual identity.
The other side of that is gays well know that homosexual proclivities are tied to early childhood sexual abuse.
And that was extremely well studied right up until the 1980s when you couldn't get funding for these studies anymore because it became too politically incorrect.
So they know that by engaging in pedophilia, they're making more gay people.
And they actually, they have a name for them, they call them twinks.
And they make gay people.
And they understand that if you talk to, like believe it or not, so I know a lot of people in the airline industry, so you might imagine I meet a lot of gay men.
And believe it or not, there are gay men in Texas that are so right-wing, I mean, they're Attila the Hun right-wing.
Okay?
And when you ask them, why are you gay?
And they say, well, it's broken.
I was abused when I was a child.
That's what happened to me.
They're perfectly honest and open about it, and they don't recommend the lifestyle to anyone.
So there are very honest gay people on the right who understand what happened to them.
So we're in a denial about this.
So the left has this approach and it's extremely effective.
They figured out basically how to hack these social processes like science.
Science is a social process.
And what they do is they'll take a behavior and then they turn it into a status.
And then you can attach legal rights to that status.
You can't attach legal rights to behaviors.
But if being gay is a status, it's something you're born with, you can attach legal rights to that.
They did the same thing with transgenderism.
They found one of the most, the tiniest groups of perverse, you know, demographics in the world, cross-dressers.
They turned that from a behavior into a status.
And then they've begun to attach rights to it.
And that's their basic approach.
And from their point of view, they're being benevolent because they're allowing a legal identity for what amounts to a valid personal identity.
And that's how they view it.
You know, and you're making an incredible amount of sense to me.
You just said that they're literally making gay people or they're making...
That's why they're obsessed with pedophilia.
That's why they're obsessed with it, yeah.
And so in many ways, it's a demographic problem, right?
Because gay people are not having kids of their own.
So their movement depends on new converts.
Their movement depends on corrupting the offspring of normal people.
And I say normal because I'm trying to abandon the use of the word heterosexual.
Can you speak to that?
I think when we started using the word homosexual and heterosexual, they won at that point because now there's this distinction that really just shouldn't even be a thing.
They don't like the word normal, but normal has a very precise mathematical definition.
It's not an opinion.
Being heterosexual is normal, and being gay is not normal.
That's not attaching, that's not even a moral claim.
Somebody might make moral claims about homosexuality, but this is just a simple mathematical claim.
It's not normal.
If it were normal, the human race would go extinct.
So it's just a mathematical question.
With regard to, yeah, they have to make children or convert children because they can't make their own.
You're exactly right.
I mean, one of the most popular dramas that swept university campuses.
It was played on Broadway.
It was the Vagina Monologues.
You may recall that.
It was considered one of the, and it still is, considered one of the premier lesbian dramas.
It's about a teacher, a middle-aged teacher who rapes a 15-year-old girl.
And converts her to being a lesbian.
That's what the vagina monologues are about.
This is mainstream thinking among gay groups.
And among lesbians, you have basically two groups, those who have been converted through pedophilic sexual activity, and those who have been brainwashed into hating men.
And they can't bear the thought of being with men, so they choose to be with women.
So there's like a full-spectrum attack on normal sexuality and the normal family.
But its fundamental basis is in the development of a new anthropology, a new way of thinking about what a human being is.
So while we're sitting around talking about behaviors, like when we say homosexuality, you and I are talking about a behavior, a behavior that people could stop doing or change.
They're not talking about that.
They're talking about an inborn status, which many of them still believe is genetic, even though it's conclusively demonstrated that homosexuality is not genetic.
Yeah, I mean, they want to, you know, eat their cake and have it at the same time, right?
Because they obviously know that they've got to make these converts, but at the same time, they claim, well, I was born this way, and they do this so that they can somehow convince the population that their plight as an LGBTQer is the exact same plight as, say, you know, American blacks.
That's right.
It's insane, though.
It's insane.
And now that they've added the T on the end, right?
I mean, you know, a bisexual, I mean, it blows everything up.
I mean, the hypocrisies abound here, right?
Because what's a bisexual if the transgenders come in and say, hey, gender's not a binary, right?
I mean, so everything contradicts itself, and they are more than happy.
They are more than happy to contradict themselves if it means accomplishing their political goals.
And I think that's what we're seeing on a daily basis at this point.
Yeah, I mean, there's a number of contradictions in the transgender ideology.
One of the ones that I think is the most poignant one is the one you mentioned.
And it basically says, look, if gender just isn't that big a deal, then why are we doing surgeries?
That's a great one.
If your sexual genetics are not important, why are we doing surgeries on kids?
It doesn't make any sense.
If gender is just a social construction, how can it be innate and immutable?
How can it be the status that you now get special rights for if it's just a social construction?
That makes no sense.
If biological sex is irrelevant to gender, then why would we chemically castrate kids and remove perfectly healthy sex organs?
If science is the basis of transgender ideology, then why are the scientists who talk about desisters and espouse a different view, why are they systematically shamed, censored, and they can't get grant money and can't publish their papers in peer-reviewed journals?
If clinical medical practice is the basis of transgender ideology, then why are the normal medical safeguards not being used to protect children from experimental treatments?
We're not doing that.
If lived experience of transgender people is the basis of transgender ideology, well, why are we ignoring the detransitioners and their lived experience?
That's right.
And if biology is the basis, then why do they invert our normal biological assumptions about the world?
They make biology, you know, physical reality into a social construct, and gender, which is an invisible concept in the mind, into an innate and unchangeable physical object.
It's just riven with...
I could do a whole hour of just listing logical contradictions in their ideology.
But these are the main ones that just seems like never get addressed.
I don't see people proposing these antinomies to transgender advocates.
Well, how can you square these two things?
And the simple fact is, this is pure logic.
Like, they're not swearable.
So they don't have a coherent theory.
That's another aspect of this expressive individualism.
When it becomes expressed in collective action in politics, it doesn't, unlike us, they don't have a desire to be coherent.
They're perfectly okay with contradictory notions in the laws.
They're perfectly fine with that.
I think the Bible warns about being double-minded, and I think these people are double-minded to some sort of exponential level because it's just all over the place.
Another lie.
We talk about their contradictions, but we're talking about heterosexuality.
The idea of gender-affirming surgery or a sex change operation.
That's not true.
There is no such thing as a sex change operation.
Right?
I mean, you know, it doesn't exist.
Yeah, absolutely.
Every single cell in the person's body is still male or female.
And you'll get these people that say, well, what about intersex people, for example?
Well, here's the deal.
Sex is determined by gamete production.
And it doesn't matter if you're intersex or not.
The human body hormonally can only produce either male or female gametes.
That's it.
The body environment for the production of male gametes, which are sperm, cannot support the female gametes or ovum.
It just can't do that.
So you're either male or female and not both.
Even if you're intersex, you're one or the other.
Talk a little bit about what's going on right now with your son.
Can you update us on that?
I know Stu covered it earlier in the week.
I mean, this is something that is just, it's unconscionable that this was allowed to happen, and a lot of people think Texas is this amazing red state, but it's not.
And when the chips are all on the table, they're going to bail, and they're going to essentially betray their citizens.
Can you tell us about the status of your son?
Sure.
So I'll just give you a brief background and then what the current disposition is, and then I'll explain to you how it could have happened in Texas.
So, first of all, you know, my ex tried to transition my son starting when he was two.
If your audience goes out to YouTube and they search for video, Mommy Says I'm a Girl, It went viral.
There's been, I think, over a billion views of that video.
It went all over the Orthodox world, too.
It went into Eastern Europe.
I'm Orthodox Christian, so it went all over Eastern Europe and Russia and everywhere worldwide.
And it's my son just past his third birthday explaining to me that he thinks he's a girl because mommy says he's a girl.
When I tried to put a stop to this, she initiated extremely litigious actions in family court.
She's continuously sued me now for 11 years.
In order to chemically castrate my son.
I went all the way up to the Supreme Court of Texas because the district court judges in Dallas County are extremely corrupt and they stripped me of my parental rights.
So I won a 2019 jury trial that gave me 50-50 custody and control over all medical decision making, a veto over it, so she couldn't hurt my kid.
The judges in Dallas County illegally stripped me of my parental rights and because in Texas there's no way to appeal temporary orders in family court, they did it through temporary orders so I had no appellate recourse.
And then eventually culminated in letting her move to California literally two weeks before California passed the transgender kidnapping laws in their state.
So she went there under their transgender kidnapping laws, and then I went up to the Texas Supreme Court to attempt to order a return of my children back to Texas.
And I did an emergency mandamus because I wanted to beat the date for when the transgender kidnapping law went into effect in California, because after that they'll never repatriate the children of Texas.
So I go up to the Texas Supreme Court and these supposedly conservative justices concluded that my son was under no more threat of chemical castration in California where gender affirming care is required than in Texas where it's illegal.
That's how stupid they are.
And it was an 11 to 1 vote.
Only justice that voted to protect my son was Justice Devine.
Justice Blacklock wrote the opinion condemning my son to chemical castration in California.
Justice Blacklock wrote that my son was in no more danger and that my ex-wife had made representations to the court that she had no intentions of chemically castrating my son.
And so there was no danger.
So she goes there and within two months she's filing to chemically castrate my son.
So she lied, she lied.
And the justices are just so in bed with the rich Republican donors, who are all leftists, by the way, that they ruled against me.
The whole concept in Texas, the way it works, you have a very liberal Northeastern liberal Republican donor class.
And just to tell you how liberal they are, a lot of people think the transgender movement was started by liberal Democrats.
That's not true.
It was Republicans who started the transgender movement.
The largest transgender lobby in the world is the Human Rights Campaign.
You may have seen the yellow equal sign logo.
That was funded and started by Paul Singer, who is the largest donor to the Republican Party.
He's a hedge fund billionaire.
The child transgender movement was started by James Pritzker.
He's now Jennifer Pritzker.
He's an ugly man in a dress.
And he was, at that time, he was the third largest donor to the Republican Party.
It was Republicans who started the transgender movement.
It was Republicans donors who led the call for gay marriage.
And these Republican donors are the ones who give millions of dollars to candidates, including the governor, the lieutenant governor, the Speaker of the House, most of the justices on our Supreme Courts and even in our appellate courts.
And so what our legislators have to do is figure out a way to please these liberal Northeastern Republican donors and also please an extraordinarily conservative electorate.
So what they do is they pass laws that seem conservative, that have loopholes in them.
So then they can go to the Republican voting base and say, see how conservative I am?
I outlawed abortion.
And then they can go to the liberal donor class and say, see, we still allow chemical abortions.
Women can take pills and kill their babies.
They just can't have the surgery.
So I please you too.
So they get the money and the votes both.
And that's how they played it with the transgender bill.
So I worked very hard in Texas to outlaw transgender procedures on kids.
And in my bill that I authored, it actually classified these procedures as child abuse.
And the reason I wanted to classify it as child abuse is that I didn't want parents to be able to take their children out of state to do this.
No, you're exactly right.
And I've been saying this for a while.
Matter of fact, in my home state of Arkansas, I'm working right now with legislators trying to get a draft of that.
I want to open the child abuse statutes and I want to classify this.
And I think it will accomplish two things.
I think it fundamentally will get the crazies in your state to leave and not come back.
Which I know that's still terrible for the child.
But then it would also – it will curb the wickedness here.
I mean, just by the law being on the books, there will be people that will not do this to their children.
100%.
Because that's what laws do.
And so I think this is what needs to happen in every Christian red state.
Yes.
Across the country.
And we need to know that it's going to be...
I mean, I can just imagine a big entity like Walmart is going to have a complete meltdown because the left is going to throw a fit when they realize what we're doing is criminalizing transgenderism.
And that's exactly what we need to do.
We do.
So what they did in Texas is they took my bill as I wrote it, and they just took out the child abuse provisions and passed it.
So now what's happening is Texas parents are just taking their kids up to the Colorado clinics and cutting their kids balls off and bringing them back to Texas.
Perfectly legal.
So that's how they please the donors.
That's how it works.
If you're working in Arkansas, let me recommend something to you.
It took me a long time, but I finally got a representative that I had some leverage over, and I asked them to request from the Texas Attorney General's office an opinion on whether these transgender procedures, both chemical castration and surgical castration, are already child abuse under Texas law.
He took six months, he put his best lawyers on it, and they came out with the longest opinion in Texas history.
You can go get it.
It's an exhaustive legal review of both federal law, Texas law, colonial English law, and it even goes back into the juridical tradition of Spain, which Texas traces its history through Spain, not through England.
So it's an exhaustive survey, and it shows that throughout all of the history of the country, these procedures have always been illegal and are illegal now, and you may be able to use that in your efforts in Arkansas.
That's fantastic.
That's really good, useful information.
I'm certainly going to utilize that and take a look at that.
That's incredible.
So, talk about, you mentioned this on Stu's show, you've already mentioned your Orthodox Christian faith, but you mentioned how the church that you were going to at the time actually aided in beginning the transition process for your son?
Oh yeah, this is a Greek Orthodox Church, St.
John the Baptist Greek Orthodox Church in Euless, Texas.
And the church council, almost everybody in the church just sided with my wife to transition my son.
My priest even let my son dance as a girl on stage at the Greek festival.
What I've concluded is that the Greek Orthodox Church is schismatic now.
And I think the other Orthodox churches should stop commemorating the Greek patriarch, the ecumenical patriarch, Bartholomew, and we should initiate another church council and excommunicate the Greek church, just like we had to do with Roman Catholics back in the year AD 1029.
Wow.
I mean, you know, this is just another example of how these demonic, satanic cultural forces have infiltrated the churches.
Obviously, on the Protestant side of things, where I'm at, I mean, you can just chart it.
You chart it, all of the mainline ones have essentially, you know, they began to adopt women as pastors or clergy or priests, and Yada, yada, yada.
Now they're doing gay weddings.
Now they're excusing sodomy.
It's not a sin.
And it all rests on this idea of saying, well, Scripture really doesn't mean what it says it means in today's 20th or 21st century context.
And it's literally, you have these pastors that have these rainbows, and they're wearing rainbows in front of a pulpit, and they're leading their flock to the gates of hell.
100%.
This is another example.
I can't imagine your outrage that the church you were attending agreed with this.
I'll tell you how bad it got.
I was quite angry about it.
And I considered it to be righteous anger.
They actually hired a police officer to follow me around through communion at the church in order to just basically force me out of the church.
I mean, that's how bad these people are.
And let me tell you, I think that the main corrupting influence is less on the theology side, but more on the ecclesiology side.
It's more about church governance.
Because our leftist opponents have perfected the subversion of democratically run bodies.
You know, look at the Ford Foundation, for example.
Henry Ford was one of the most right-wing people who's ever rose to prominence in America.
I mean, puts a long must to shame.
He's so right-wing.
The left put together a multi-decade plan to take over the Ford Foundation, and they did it.
And it was because of its democratic governance structure and the election of boards and so forth.
And eventually, the Ford family had to resign from the Ford Foundation because it began to fund abortion.
So, the problem is how the churches are governed.
And one of the problems in the Greek Orthodox Church is it deviates from the traditional way the church has been governed.
In America, we have this group of men called the Archons, which essentially serve as a board for the archdiocese in America.
But what they effectively are are rich Northeastern liberals.
And because they're giving money to the church, they have great influence over how the church acts and behaves, right?
In traditional Christian ecclesiology, you don't have boards like that.
You have a group of elders who are not swayed by money or anything else.
And in fact, the traditional Christian way was we expected elders to be poor.
We expected them to give away everything they had.
And we expected them to live a very modest lifestyle.
As we say in the Lord's Prayer, give us this day our daily bread.
What that means, if you read the psalm it's based on, it means don't make me rich, but don't make me poor.
Because if I'm rich, I'll be tempted to sin.
If I'm poor, I'll be tempted to sin.
So we expect elders to live a modest lifestyle.
But that's not the case in most of these churches now, both in the Protestant side and on the Orthodox side.
I think Orthodoxy withstood it longer.
Because Protestant ecclesiology is overtly democratic.
You know, you elect elders rather than having elders select elders.
And the left just has the subversion of democratic bodies.
They have nailed that.
So we have not thought in terms of church subversion in the past.
And we need to start using the synodal structure of Christianity.
A synod is when, you know, in the Book of Acts, right, if a bishop goes off teaching something that's incorrect, first you go and talk to them and just say, hey, you should stop.
Another elder talks to them.
If that doesn't work, then three go and talk to them.
That's a synod.
A synod is when you have three elders, and they are authorized to shut him down.
To shut down that teaching.
And if necessary, if that doesn't work, then they can hold a council in order to bind all the churches to it.
We need to go back to this conciliar structure if we have any prayer of stopping the subversion of the churches.
And let me mention one other thing.
I don't mean to blow me about this, but this is super important.
I did a long study on how the Roman Catholic Church was subverted in the United States.
So, the Roman Catholic Church, you know, they had the production bans.
You couldn't do pornography.
You couldn't even have couples in long kissing on television and movies, right?
The Roman Catholics did a really good job of this.
And all that was subverted through the government.
The government subverted that.
It used to be run out of the CIA. It's now run out of the State Department.
It's never been classified.
It's always been an open program.
It's called the Doctrinal Warfare Program.
And it's a propaganda body in the government that attempts to get churches to change their church doctrines to accommodate American foreign policy objectives.
Let me give you a specific example in the Orthodox Church, how that happened with the Greek Church and how they were subverted.
So prior to the Ukraine War, all of the churches in Ukraine were part of the Russian Orthodox Church.
And orthodoxy, you know, we're not going to make war against each other.
That's just not, it's not in orthodoxy.
We're not going to do that.
And, you know, throughout our history, bishops have simply showed up on the battlefield and just talked them out of having wars.
Like, the bishops have a lot of authority, moral authority, with the people and the soldiers.
So what the American State Department did is, in 9-11, There was an Orthodox Church, the St.
Nicholas Church, which was near the Twin Towers, was destroyed.
They gave federal funds to the Greek Orthodox Church to rebuild it as long as it was an ecumenical church.
So that's actually illegal under canon law in the Orthodox Church.
But they took the money, they took the 10 million bucks, and then they never built the shrine back.
So they stole the money.
And it went to build churches in the Fanar in Turkey, actually, is where it went.
So the doctrinal warfare people brought the FBI in and threatened to prosecute for federal fraud.
And they said, we won't do this if you will split the Ukrainian Orthodox Church from the Russian Church.
And the Ecumenical Patriarch gave a tomos of autonomy to create a separate Ukrainian Orthodox Church, which was actually not in his power to do.
And that is how they set the cultural stage for the Ukrainian war.
That's an excellent example of how the doctrinal warfare program uses churches to make war on its own people.
And yet, I mean, it wasn't that successful because Zelensky ended up arresting Ukrainian clergy anyway and shutting churches.
Well, the clergy that he arrested were the ones that refused to join the Ukrainian church.
Okay, so they were still rushing.
That's the ones.
Yes, yes.
It's unbelievable.
You know, it's reminiscent.
I just want to make this point because I've never—this is really good information about the Orthodox faith, which I am not as—obviously, I'm not as astute on, right?
I actually know what Vladimir Putin stands for and how he's, you know, standing against the— Western foreign policy of the rainbow and sodomy.
I'm a big fan of that.
We talked about how NATO was originally there to protect Christian Europe from the godless communist Soviets, and now we have to ask ourselves the question, who are the godless communists now?
A lot of people don't want to talk about that.
On the more evangelical side of things, a clip has recently surfaced, and we've played it on the program before.
I don't have it queued up because I didn't know the conversation was going to go this way, but Rick Warren in 2008.
So Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church, he's recently been removed from the Southern Baptist Convention because of allowing women to preach and ordination and that sort of thing.
He goes to Davos at a World Economic Forum event back in 2008, does an interview about how, well, you know, they're working hard to get governments and corporations to work together to solve these problems, but they're missing the third leg of the stool.
And the third leg of the stool is using the trust that congregations have in their pastors or their priests to use them, that third leg, you know, to essentially help to solve these problems.
But what that really meant, Jeff, and this is what we have seen, and I think that's what we've seen in your old church, that Greek Orthodox church.
We've seen it in what I call Big Eva.
We've seen it infiltrate even confessional denominations as well.
They exist to sanitize regime propaganda, to get their congregations to do nothing about it the six days of the week they're in the world living through this wicked culture.
So don't do anything.
Don't make an idol out of politics.
You know, if gay marriage bothers you, you may be idolizing the American family.
You know, politics, you know, America's kingdom isn't God's kingdom.
Yeah, and so they come up with these straw man arguments.
And they come up with all these excuses for Christians to do nothing about the crumbling world around them when they still have rights and could organize and could do something about it.
And that's what's so sick about it all.
Yeah, this was exactly the program that was run against the Roman Catholics in the 1950s.
That's how you got all these gay priests and everything.
That was all a government program.
So believe me, there are government programs that have got the evangelical churches to pacify, politically pacify, their populations.
In Orthodoxy, you still have bishops who are reacting against it.
Greece just legalized gay marriage, and the bishop over Greece excommunicated every politician that voted for it.
And that's a big deal because they probably won't be re-elected.
It's virtually impossible to be re-elected if they're not Greek Orthodox.
So we need to be able to do that.
Now, in the evangelical churches, there's a challenge, right?
Because how do you challenge the legitimacy of your elders?
It happens through a kind of democratic process.
How do laity actually challenge these things, and how does that work?
Because what happens is you can just splinter off and claim that you have a church.
The difficulty comes in the ecclesiology, just like the Orthodox Church was subverted by its ecclesiology The evangelical churches have been subverted by their ecclesiology, so we should think systematically about how the churches are governed in order to prevent their subversion.
And I don't think we've done a good job of that.
No, I mean, I certainly agree with that, just in terms of just generally over the, you know, a 10,000-foot view of it all.
What do you think about Christian nationalism and the resurgence of it?
And I know a lot of people, you've got Stephen Wolf, The Case for Christian Nationalism, we've interviewed him.
He's more focusing on what is historic Protestant political thought.
That's where he is coming from there.
But I am seeing a lot of people embracing the Catholic faith.
A lot of people, and obviously I think Orthodoxy is becoming more popular as well because of Russia and the stand that they're taking.
But speaking of ecumenicism, there does appear to be among the American Christians, people who claim Jesus is Lord, Yes.
Kind of a spark.
And, you know, we're either going to be called Christian Nationalists or Christofascists.
Do you agree with that, or what's your take on it all?
So, well, first of all, it's not possible to be an Orthodox Christian and not be a Christian Nationalist, because the Orthodox churches are all organized by Nationalist churches.
You have Serbian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox.
That's not an accident.
When the apostles laid hands upon the 200 who then went out to the nations to preach, they were given the languages of the nations that they were to evangelize to.
And the liturgy is to be done in the language of the people of the nation to preserve the nation's cultural and national heritage.
When you go into a Serbian Orthodox Church, it's the same theology, but, you know, they use a certain kind of a flower instead of a Christmas tree for Christmas.
The Russians, you know, have the miracle of the red eggs, you know, and so on Christmas they have eggs.
The cultural practices around these things people preserve, and in Orthodoxy this is considered very important.
That the national cultural practices of the people are a natural barrier.
A lot of people look at the Tower of Babel story as a punishment that God gave us.
In Orthodoxy, we do not.
We were given separate languages and separate nations so that heresies, demonic heresies, could not easily spread from one nation to another.
It basically creates containment zones for demonic forces.
So the idea of a nation is deeply embedded, in orthodoxy at least, in the idea of how the church is to be governed.
The issue with Roman Catholicism, aside from the theological differences where we had to excommunicate them in 1029 AD, the Roman Catholic Church attempted to establish a kind of pan-national Christianity and unite everyone under a single common language, Latin, and essentially trying to create a single culture.
And when we look at the Reformation, we see that this failed.
So I have concerns about whether Roman Catholicism could support Christian nationalism outside of the pan-national kind of Christian nationalism that it traditionally has supported.
I have concerns whether Protestant ecclesiology can support it.
The ecclesiological nature of Protestant churches makes it very difficult to preserve a national character and yet also retain uniformity of theological ideas across nations.
If you're looking at a theology that has proven to be able to do that for 2,000 years, but plus through the Muslim invasions, Muslim occupation, through communism, Orthodox have preserved the national churches through all of that.
It's proved to be extremely resilient.
So I think, you know, if I look to what's the best way to fight abortion, I would say look to Roman Catholics.
They have done more to fight abortion than almost anybody, and they have been steadfast in their doctrines on birth control and lots of other things that, frankly, in orthodoxy, we haven't done a good job of.
I would point to them.
If I look at people who really focused on how to keep the schools moral and just, I would have to point to the Protestants who have put so much emphasis on preserving our schools and the teaching of our children in the States.
If you're looking for a steadfast national Christian theology, I would say look to the Orthodox and learn from them.
So I'm a Christian nationalist because I have to be.
Orthodoxy is Christian nationalist.
Well, you mentioned the nations and to go evangelize the nations, or you look at the Great Commission in Scripture.
I mean, there's really nothing more Christian nationalist than that.
That's right.
And we know that when Christ returns, he inherits the nations.
We don't know exactly which ones will be here when that happens.
So, I mean, who knows if the U.S. will even be here with the way things are going.
Who knows?
But this is—I would just say it's basic Christianity, or basic—I think there's a lot of agreement with the implications with the church versus the civil magistrate that we have abandoned.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
And part of the reason I think we've abandoned it, people keep talking about this post-World War II consensus, but it's really based in libertarianism, isn't it?
It's really based in this live and let live means...
Now, it used to just mean, hey, you go do you.
But now it means, hey, if you subscribe to that philosophy, it means that you have to agree with a parent's right to trans your kid and say that that's just libertarianism.
Or a parent has a right to take a kid to a drag show to be ogled by pedophiles.
And people are saying, because the culture's gotten so wicked, people are taking a step back and saying, you know, if that's what live and let live means, take my name off the list.
That's not me.
We're going to have to figure something else out, and we need Christians steering the ship.
Yeah, I mean, this is the argument that the establishment leveled against my bill when I was trying to get transgenderism outlawed here, transition of children outlawed here in Texas.
They said, well, we don't want the government interfering in family decisions.
You know, classic libertarian argument, right?
And I said, well, do you feel the same way if somebody wants to beat their kid to a bloody pulp?
Do you not want them to interfere in family decisions?
Like, we have to have some idea of what abuse and neglect are, right?
And you're 100% right about this idea of church and state.
If you go into an Orthodox Church, you'll often see a symbol.
It's a two-headed eagle, and the eagles sort of face each other like this.
And that was a change from the old Roman Empire when it was pagan.
Its symbol was the eagle.
They replaced it with a two-headed eagle.
The eagle head that's on the right represents the church, and the eagle head that's on the left represents the state.
And they operate together, yet independently.
So they have one body, but of two minds.
And the role of the church is to maintain the moral fabric of society and the traditions of the nation.
And the role of the state is to defend the church and the citizens from outside forces that want to change those things.
That is the primitive churches, the ancient churches view of church and state.
And it was this libertarianism, this exclusion of the church from state decisions that has led to how easily our government institutions have been subverted by these perverts.
I mean, you're exactly right there.
We do have just, it's a complete, I'm doing a show tomorrow on Friday.
What is it, Thursday?
So tomorrow's Friday.
So on Friday's program, I'm doing a show on the Ten Commandments, specifically just how Americans or the West, but the Uniparty here in America, we stand against every single one of the Ten Commandments as a matter of public policy.
Like, I can give you policy after policy from...
You know, 1st through 10, all of it.
And we've gotten here, you know, there's a reason that we've gotten here.
I don't think our founding fathers...
Well, here's the deal.
I mean, yeah, through jurisprudence, which I hate that word, you know, the idea that the founding fathers, Jeff, were sitting around writing the First Amendment, and they were saying, you know, this will allow the free distribution of pornography.
I mean, it's ridiculous, right?
But this is what post-World War II thought says that, yeah, hey, you know, we're going to write the First Amendment and it means that, you know, public schools won't be able to allow prayer because that would be a violation of the First Amendment.
I mean, it's preposterous.
I mean, we used to have blasphemy laws on the books in America up until the 30s.
They survived many court challenges.
On Sunday, on the Sabbath, the whole country shut down back in the day.
You couldn't go buy anything.
As well it should.
And even when they started to open them up, they would only sell food and medicine.
It's a mercy thing.
If you have to have it, here's food and medicine.
But they would actually block off the other parts of the store I wasn't alive when this happened, but I was talking to an audience.
So you remember this.
I do.
You know, we have come so far down this slippery slope, and we have people that are slowly recognizing, slowly, and it's too slow for my taste, but they're saying, you know, if I have a problem with transing children, then I probably need to go back up the slippery slope and accept God's definition of marriage, and it is not gay.
It's Normal, man-woman marriage.
And if we hadn't done gay marriage, we wouldn't have kids at drag shows or calling it healthcare when people chemically castrate themselves or mutilate their genitals.
No, that was the slippery slope.
And if you want to get a good idea, think of where we're actually at.
I'm big about having a realist perspective on events.
Yeah.
You know, it took them about 15 years to get gay marriage.
They did a whole propaganda campaign in the 90s, in which they put like, you know, quote unquote, marry gay people into sitcoms and on television, and they really normalize.
It took them 15 years to do that.
It only took them six years to get the transgender stuff.
Six years.
So when they decide to do straight-up pedophilia stuff, it's not going to take them long.
If you look at California, California passed a bill that legalizes homosexual sex with boys as young as 13.
Boys as young as 13 can give legal consent to have homosexual sex, but if heterosexuals have sex with a 13-year-old, they'll go to prison for 50 years for child abuse.
Wow.
And if you think that it's not coming, it's already here in the laws in some of the worst states.
It is coming.
They're more powerful now than they were back in the 90s.
So you talk about realistic.
We're going to run out of time here in five, six minutes.
Talk about realistic interpretation of events.
Okay.
Yes.
Hey, what is abortion?
Is it just a clump of cells?
Is it not?
And the Supreme Court just took that debate away from us.
It's only a matter of time before the Supreme Court takes this debate where we have states saying, we're not going to allow you to trans kids if we can be successful and actually get it labeled under child abuse.
But then the Supreme Court's going to come and say, no, you have to let this happen.
I just think that is an evil that goes way too far, and I don't think the American people are just going to sit on their hands.
I might be wrong, but what do you think?
So, COVID changed my mind on this.
I watched people, I mean, in some of the most conservative areas of Texas, let their churches be closed.
I watched them have their kids locked down in their houses, where the kids couldn't even go to the parks.
The town I live in, Flower Mound, You know, they were ticketing and arresting children for using the parks.
And I never expected that police would enforce illegal rules like this.
I never expected that people would let their churches be closed.
I never expected people would comply with these arbitrary masking mandates where you couldn't buy and sell unless you obeyed this masking mandate.
I just really never thought people would do that, but they did.
So I think that the propaganda regime that has been perpetrated against the American people, which I believe is the most sophisticated propaganda program in the history of the world, has effectively neutered most opposition.
I'll give you an example of this.
I still talk to people who do not understand that elected officials don't control the government.
When I was running for office here in Texas, I was explaining this, you know, how ironic that I'm running for office and explaining this, right?
You know, the agencies run the government.
Elected officials don't control it.
So the proof of that was just in the Trump presidency.
Should have been obvious to everybody.
He ordered all troops out of Syria.
And the Department of Defense said, no, we're not doing it.
So, if the president, as commander-in-chief of the military, is not in control of the military, what makes you think they're in control of anything else?
Right?
This is all being run by agencies, and they're largely unaccountable.
There's no legal way to really hold them to account.
So, from just a pure political perspective, we have to ask ourselves, where can we exercise political leverage?
One is, get on juries.
Juries are the one place where you can check the government, you can engage in jury nullification, and you can do that, and there's no possible recourse for the government.
And if you don't believe that, look what the juries did to Trump.
Immensely powerful.
But the problem is, you're going to have to probably lie to get onto juries now, because judges ask you to see whether you're a person who believes you can nullify laws.
And if you are, they won't seat you on a jury.
We need to file civil lawsuits.
Anytime we get standing for a civil lawsuit against our enemies, we should file it.
Mainly because we can put them under oath.
They can't just lie anymore.
We can put them under oath and we can get discovery.
And that has power.
We can compel their speech.
We can compel truthful speech.
That's a real power.
We have to start looking, I think, at extra voting mechanisms for exercising power.
And unfortunately, this takes a lot of money for litigation.
And our billionaires are just absent.
Our billionaires just aren't on our side.
They're not going to go into this fray and do this.
So we're probably going to have to, if we want to look for a political solution, we're going to have to figure out a way to band together to take actions that will actually exert power.
And voting is just not that anymore.
Yeah.
Well, I mean.
I would love to say that I disagree with you there, but I tend to think that you're correct.
I do think at the local level, there's more hope there, there's more ability there, but when the stakes really get high enough, I think they can steal those too.
They do.
I can tell you in Dallas County and the county that I lived in before I went to California, Denton County in Texas, the county commissioner's courts decide where all the federal money goes.
So, those are completely captured.
Completely captured.
And you're very hard pressed to win elections even at that level at this point.
Our enemies understand that the power at the low level is a danger to them.
And they're taking steps.
That was the whole reason Obama initiated these programs to take over the suburbs and turn them blue.
Yeah.
Jeff Younger, I know you're engaged in a legal matter trying to save your son from being chemically castrated in transition.
Do you have a website where people can go and give if they want to help you in your cause?
You know, I don't really ask for money anymore.
I mean, you know, I would rather people instead go to the Save James website on Facebook.
Save James page on Facebook.
It's run by a network of volunteers, it's not run by me.
They cover the whole transgender issue in depth and they follow it internationally.
And they can help you get local groups started in your state so that you can pass laws like I did in Texas to outlaw this stuff in your state.
You could do more for me and for my sons by doing that than by giving money.
Okay, so we'll put a link to the Save James Facebook page in the description of this video.
James Younger, God bless you.
Thank you for coming on.
It's been very educational, and I know the audience has very much appreciated it.
Thank you.
It was great to be here.
Yes, sir.
We'll do it again sometime.
Folks, that's all the time we have.
We'll see you tomorrow night.
Be safe.
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