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March 27, 2024 - Stew Peters Show
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Millstone Report w Paul Harrell: Jeremy Slayden: John Nelson Darby & Dispensational END TIMES Errors
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The rainbow Gestapo, the goose-stepping gay lobby, all of that stops right now.
People say we need to make America great again.
I completely agree.
We may need to make Gallows great again.
Literally so many people that need to have a millstone put around their neck and tossed into the sea.
Everybody, everybody, everybody.
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to the Millstone Report.
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We've got a great show for you.
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So we've talked about this over the last couple of shows, at least referenced it.
Our opening monologue was about this on Monday.
Over the last couple of days, the Internet, mainly on X, has been full of debates concerning the phrase, Christ is King.
Christians from different denominational backgrounds, eschatological backgrounds, have had varying opinions on the motivations behind this phrase of theological fact.
And it's trending.
Why is Christ is King trending?
That's what people want to know.
Some say it's trending because of roving gangs of digital anti-Semites who are using the phrase to slam Jews.
The problem with this thought is that the definition of the word anti-Semite is rarely defined, and when Candace Owens asked Rabbi Barclay to define it before she was fired from the Daily Wire, the definition he gave can be summed up as anything that offends a Jewish person.
Not to mention that the fact that the phrase Christ is king has always been offensive to most Jewish people.
Christ's lordship is the reason the Jews 2,000 years ago arrested Jesus on false charges.
His claim to be king was the reason the Sanhedrin held a trial and falsely convicted him of heresy in a kangaroo court.
And it's also why they pleaded with Pilate to crucify him.
Now, on this side of the cross, we now know that this was all a part and according to God's plan for redemption for his people.
And yet, some Christians out there in the Twitter world are once again saying that using the phrase Christ is King is an anti-Semitic dog whistle.
And they're even calling covenant theology, a doctrine that has been taught in the church for 2,000 years, a, quote, heresy, end quote.
I'm talking about former Trump attorney and DeSantis acolyte Jenna Ellis, who took to X and said this, quote, for those confused, the debate over the term Christ is King is not over the question of whether Christians believe Jesus is Lord and fully God and proclaim that.
We do believe that and proclaim it.
The debate is over supersessionism or replacement theology, the idea that the New Testament Christian Church has superseded and replaced the nation of Israel as God's chosen people.
This idea holds that the new covenant Jesus describes to his disciples replaced the Mosaic Covenant, and the universal Christian Church is the true Israel.
The debate is whether Jesus came to fulfill or replace the Mosaic Covenant.
Some prominent voices use the term, Christ is King, in this context.
They do so as an anti-Semitic dog whistle, she says, against Jews, indicating that God has abandoned them for Christians.
I believe the full counsel of Scripture, she says, is clear that replacement theology is false and heretical as a doctrine.
Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Covenant.
He did not abolish or replace it.
He would be going against his oath by his own name to Israel, she says.
And I believe that Christ is Lord of Lords and King of Kings." So, I know that was a lot, and there was a little more, but I think that's enough for the full context.
So this is wild.
Christians seem to agree Jesus is king, that Jesus is Lord.
But the dividing line appears to be those who believe that the modern, secular nation-state of Israel is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy and that the people of Israel are still the apple of God's eye versus those who believe that Israel is all of God's people throughout history And that God's people today, and in the Old Testament, are those found in Christ Jesus.
Jenna Ellis' tweet did not go unchallenged.
Pastor and theologian James White attempted to reason with Jenna, and he was very polite when he wrote this, quote, Hi Jenna, we spoke a couple of years ago at G3, had dinner with a few folks, etc., Your understanding of replacement theology is imbalanced and inaccurate.
Hence, your allegation of heresy is way, way out of bounds.
Might want to think that one through again.
So the two went back and forth for a while.
But it was an unproductive exchange, and I suspect it has more to do with the fear of being called anti-Semitic, given the current dust-up in the ranks of Khan Inc.
since the Daily Wire fired Candace Owens for humiliating two rabbis.
Mainstream conservatives lay awake at night, terrified of being called or thought of as an anti-Semite.
And again, a definition that is now so broad it can mean anything your political enemy wants it to mean.
Christian YouTuber A.D. Robles has an interesting take on all of this over the last week.
Watch.
The other thing too is, you know, and this has been my advice for like, you know, just general racism for a while.
And this is true for almost everybody.
This advice is good for everybody.
Whether you consider yourself super based or you're super woke or you're somewhere in between.
Chances are you are horrible at spotting the racist.
We've all been trained since we were little kids to spot racism where it doesn't exist.
You know what I mean?
It's just, it's even funny too.
You kind of watch like old movies and stuff.
And I don't mean that old, you know, because back in the old days, they didn't really care about this.
But when you're like 90s movies and stuff like that.
You're just trained to spot racism everywhere.
And it's just not the case.
But the point is, though, that chances are, if you're hearing this, and I mean everybody, even people on my side, you are bad at spotting the anti-Semite.
There are lots of things that your brain has been trained and brainwashed into interpreting as anti-Semitic.
That's not anti-Semitic.
It's as simple as that.
And the thing is, like, It's almost like a lot of my friends, they don't have the wrong beliefs about the status of the Jews in the covenants and stuff like that.
But in their actions, they still do treat the Jews like they're the primary.
They're like the real people of God.
It's not the church, it's the Jews.
They still act that way.
They make them this special group.
And I'll be honest with you, because it kind of insulates them from all criticism, you know what I mean?
I'll be honest with you, it's very similar to treating blacks like a special group and kind of insulating them from responsibility for what they do.
It doesn't do them any favors.
And so you get people that, like, literally any criticism of Jewish people is anti-Semitic, literally no matter what.
You are bad at spotting the anti-Semite.
Sure, there are real people that hate Jews for being Jews.
Yeah, sure, there's people out there like that.
Chances are you don't know who they are because you're terrible at spotting them, because you've been brainwashed to be terrible at spotting them.
So my advice is to maybe cool it on all of the, you know, brain, you know, I'm reading your mind and I know that you're saying this because you're, you know, envious or because of this, you hate Jews and stuff like that.
That's my advice.
Really good advice, again, from Christian YouTuber A.D. Robles.
You should definitely check him out.
We're going to turn now, though, to Jeremy Sladen.
Jeremy Sladen is the host of J. Slay Made in the USA. He has written extensively on the subject of Christian dispensationalism and exposing its origins.
He joins us now for more on this.
Jeremy, welcome back to the Millstone Report, sir.
Thank you so much for being with us.
Man, Paul, thank you for having me back on.
I'm excited about this discussion today.
And gosh, your intro, there's so many things that we could just pull from.
I wouldn't even know where to start, so help me out by giving me a starting point.
Yeah, I mean, okay, so I would just love to get your take, first of all, on this phenomenon.
Christ is King is trending, and this happens in the wake.
First of all, it's the week before Easter, Resurrection Sunday.
Some people call it Holy Week.
Whatever your faith background is.
And it really started trending on Palm Sunday, which is the day, historically, that Jesus rode into Jerusalem, where they openly praised him as king.
And of course, a week later, we know that he was executed on the cross, was crucified on the cross.
And so people are saying Christ is king, and it really has to do in the context of this dust-up between Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro, who is a Jew.
And so now there's all of these Christians who are trying to say, hey, if you're saying Christ is king to offend the Jews, then that's wrong.
And I'm not saying that there aren't non-Christians using that phrase to try to slam the Jews, but I just feel like that the phrase, Christ is King, has always been offensive specifically to the Jewish people and still is today.
What are your thoughts?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, go back to the Apostle Paul, and he often said, Christ is King, in many more words than that, to the Jewish leadership of the day, of which he was a part of the Jewish leadership.
And then his eyes were opened, and he said, no, Christ has fulfilled the law.
There's even some verses where he says Christ is the end of the law, depending on your translation, but fulfilled the law, absolutely.
And what did the Jews of his day want to do?
Well, they threw him in prison.
They wanted to kill him.
So today, when Christians say, Christ is King, which is a true statement.
Christ is King over Israel.
He's King over the Jewish, you know, religious practices of that day and today.
He's King over the Christian practices of today.
He's King over this world.
So when we say that, we should expect pushback.
Now, I think where the rub is interesting is that we're getting pushback from within our own Christian ranks.
You know, the genealysis of the world now from Ben Shapiro will be suspected because he or expected because he's Jewish but there's a great divide going on and honestly Paul I see it as a good thing because people are finally going back to the Bible themselves maybe having never really read the book of Romans for instance where it talks about not all Israel is faithful Israel and what is faithful Israel so people are getting back to saying hey what is the Lord actually saying through his word and what should I be taking from
this rather than just lazily Taking what they've maybe been told from a pulpit their whole life and just saying, well, that's the truth because my pastor said it or some book other than the Bible said it.
So it's causing people to dig.
And I see that as a positive.
Well, and that's exactly what Jenna Ellis said.
I referenced theologian James White, Pastor James White, saying, Hey, I know you, Jenna.
We've met before.
You're wrong on this.
This is not a heresy.
And I'm not going to get into it, but they went back and forth for a while there.
And eventually she said, I have actually consulted seven pastors who tell me that my position is correct and your position is wrong.
And that's the end of it.
So to your point, this philosophy, this dispensationalism, it essentially means that Christians are free to think whatever they want to think with this exception.
You must essentially support the secular nation-state of Israel Because we think that they are separate from the church and still have, even though you'll get people to say that they still believe that the only way to heaven is through Christ, they still have this other.
Even A.D. Robles talking about, hey, even Christians who don't believe that Israel and the church are separate, they believe that the church You know, of today is different from Israel or replaced Israel, if you want to use that word.
They still kind of act like, hey, we can't talk about Israel.
We can't talk about Zionists.
We can't talk about the Jews.
They still kind of revere them.
Why do you think that is?
Before we get into some of the past and the history, speaking of today, like right now, it's almost as if in the Catholic Church, you know, they used to have indulgences where people would ensure their salvation by buying an indulgence.
Well, our tax dollars going to Israel and our love and support for Israel is now seen as kind of the Protestant faith's indulgence.
Like, hey, we're Christians, we believe, but to really believe, we've got to bless the Jewish people.
And speaking of that, where are we at today?
Well, as a nation, we've now given 300 plus billion dollars of our tax money to the nation state of Israel, you know, chartered in 1948 and with the Rothschild's involvement and everything else.
Like, is that really what God was talking about and what that has caused?
I made a little list here.
What that has caused in the present day is a blind eye turned by pastors.
I'm going to pick on the pastors for a minute.
A blind eye turned to 40,000 dead Palestinians and 10,000 children.
They can't all be human shields.
Our key deep state bureaucracies in America are wildly overrepresented by Jewish Americans or dual citizenship Israelis.
I mean, if it was any other religion, almost every Christian, I believe all of them, Would have a real problem with it, but because they are Jewish and they kind of look the same and everything else, even though they proudly, you know, will defend their Jewish heritage, as that's fine for them to do, but it's still a massive, wild over-representation, and they never talk about that.
There's a blind eye turn to Israel's direct involvement in the attack on the USS Liberty.
There's a blind eye turn to the Talmud's teachings, which is the religion of the rabbis.
The Jewish Encyclopedia right now will say that the Jewish religion in the modern sense can only be understood if you understand the Talmud.
And they'll say it traces its lineage straight back to the Pharisees.
So, you know, the things that the Apostle Paul was attacking, that Jesus was attacking, saying you're following the doctrines of men, not the gospel of salvation, that was the same thing that these rabbis, the religious ones, are teaching today from the Talmud.
So I could go on and on about the displacement in 1948 with the NAVCA and everything else, but it's created this...
It's really awful because here we are blessing, supporting with money, with love, with all these things, and yet we're turning a blind eye on these terrible evils and saying, well, we're more Christian now.
Because we're supporting supposedly God's chosen people.
And I've got to say, most of these pastors I don't even think could define what God's chosen people is, given that the DNA, the ethnic sons of Abraham, are going to be so mixed into humanity at this point, almost everyone is going to have a little bit of Jewish DNA in them.
So when do you get to become God's chosen people?
At 15%?
At 50%?
I don't know.
Yeah, and not to mention, you know, it wasn't always about the bloodline.
I mean, in the Old Testament, there was a way that, you know, you could become Jewish or a part of the tribe.
That's right.
You think Jericho, you think Rahab, these things.
And so it wasn't really only about, you know, a bloodline.
And so it kind of blows up their whole argument if you look at, you know, the Old Testament scriptures and what would happen and so on and so forth.
So Jeremy, the reason I wanted to have you on is because you have a new article.
I believe it's out today.
We've got the link in the description of this Rumble video here.
It's called John Nelson Darby, The Mysterious Father of Dispensationalism.
This is a follow-up from your first article.
It's the second article, I believe, in a five-part series covering these topics.
So briefly, before we get to the article, Why?
Just remind our audience why you feel the need to do this.
Why do you feel the need to explain this tangent eschatology that is only 150-200 years old?
I think because I would have reacted exactly the same way Jenna Ellis did only two years ago.
Me too.
But through my channel, J Slay USA, I had on pastors, I had on missionaries, I had on theologians talking about what was going on today, how we should fight the culture war, you know, really good stuff.
And because of the globalization and You know, a potential mark of the beast, and all these things that you'll read about and learn about in alt media, and I think we should, I would ask these pastors, missionaries, theologians, I'd say, hey, where are we in the prophetic timeline?
Assuming, you know, based on it being 90% of what evangelical America believes, that they held to kind of that left-behind theology, that there was going to be a rapture where The Christian church was going to be removed.
The saints would go in a secret, quiet event to meet the Christ in the air, be taken to heaven, and then there would be a tribulation, a rise of the Antichrist, etc.
I could go on with that, but you guys probably know what that is already.
And they would not really answer the question on the air.
And it bothered me.
And after this happened again and again, I would say, Sir, why didn't you answer the question?
Where do you really think?
And they said, Well, don't put this on the air.
But as I've studied these things, I realized that this dispensational framework of Israel, God having a separate program for Israel, And there being a secret rapture and then kind of like two second comings, that that theology is only 150 to 200 years old and it has some very dubious origins.
So I kept hearing that and it honestly bothered me because you don't want to change.
You know, Jenna Ellis is not going to want to change, but I encourage her if she watches this or as she thinks about it, dig in herself.
Don't just go to that 90 percentile of the pastors out there that are all going to parrot the same thing.
And go look up the history on this.
And many people would call John Nelson Darby the father of dispensationalism.
I think that that's a fair title.
He definitely claimed it for himself.
What he said, he said, this teaching has not been affected by, I've not been affected by anyone else except for Holy Scripture.
He said the teaching is new, and he said the ideas are new, and the teaching is new wine, and we need to be very cautious in disseminating this because it scares people.
But like Levin, he said we've not seen the fruit of this yet, but like Levin, this teaching is going to work through the whole lump of bread.
Those are his words, and he was exactly right.
So he didn't come up with it.
it was a Jesuit deception, and I don't want to get too much in the weeds here, but everybody at that time, I think this is worth saying, all of the Protestants at that time were looking at the Pope and the Vatican saying, "That is the beast of revelation and an ongoing antichrist system, a beast system." Well they hated that.
The Catholics wanted to do away with that.
So they commissioned these Jesuit priests over the course of, I mean these guys are insanely intelligent and they were long suffering, to put it mildly.
They built upon each other's work, and they created a system to infect Protestant theology to push all of that into the future and say, no, no, no.
The Antichrist hasn't appeared yet.
There's going to be a rapture.
And that's where a lot of these ideas formed.
John Darby got a hold of it.
And man, he popularized it like crazy in Europe and then into the United States.
So what we're seeing with the rabbis like that are fighting with Candace Owens, they're not expecting a person like Candace Owens to have done their homework.
They're just saying, well, they're resting on their laurels saying Candace and everybody else just has to bless us because that's the dominant Protestant eschatology.
Now I do think, I want to make a disclaimer here, I think that the Jewish people, we should bless them as we should bless as Christians every other nation.
But the bottom line is, when Christ died on the cross, the veil separating the Holy of Holies to the world was torn into, right there inside the Jewish temple.
So with that veil, which no man could render, no man could tear that on his own, it was a miraculous event saying, now salvation has come, first to the Jew and now to the Gentiles.
So I'll give them credit.
Christ was Jewish.
He grew up in that environment.
He came to preach to the Jews.
Paul came to preach and spread the word to the Gentiles.
But beyond that, do we need this This endless blessing where we're giving all of our wealth, all of our time, all of our energy, and not even looking at what's happening to the Palestinians, because that's what's happening, that turns into a very dangerous thing if we just hold to that unflinchingly.
What it really kind of boils down to, the practical result, is that you have Christians today that kind of feel like they're second-class citizens in the kingdom of God.
That's essentially what this eschatology, this dispensational, that's what it's produced.
And it's just not the case.
And it undermines this entire idea, as I said from the beginning.
And a lot of people try to make this big deal of the Jews killing Jesus.
And I'm not one of these guys that disputes that.
That's obviously the case.
But I'm one of these guys that said, yeah...
God used death, literally death, the thing that Satan claims as part of his dominion on this world, he uses it in a way that evil could not even imagine.
He literally is God over death because he used death to pave the way for his people to be forgiven for their sins.
And when you try to say that we're going to have this tangent, this other tangent, This other path, and we're going to separate the church from Israel and still say that Israel is different than the church, it undermines really the entire narrative of the gospel.
And I know that's what dispensationalism does, right?
These different dispensations where God essentially is like, okay, in Genesis we're going to try the covenant of works with Adam and Eve, right?
We're going to try plan B. Or plan A, and then it moves to plan B, you know, the covenant with Noah.
But I don't believe that.
I believe in Genesis 3.15, from the very beginning, this was about God's redemptive plan to glorify himself and to save us from our sins.
And this dispensational eschatology really just flies in the face of that.
And I really appreciate you saying that, hey, a couple of years ago, I would have reacted just like Jenna Ellis.
A couple of years ago, I would have reacted just like Megan Basham, the Christian reporter at The Daily Wire.
I would have reacted this way a couple of years ago.
I really would.
I remember back when I was on the radio and covering the Trump administration...
I was thinking about this the other day.
Trump moves the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and I remember thinking, wow, this is incredible.
I remember going over the coin.
There was allegedly a coin out there where they were comparing Trump to Cyrus, I think, and the Third Temple and everything else.
And I remember thinking, wow, this is going to actually happen, and there's going to be a remnant of Israel that's actually going to be converted to Christianity.
I remember all of this.
And really, Paul, the opposite is happening.
There's a lot of Christians who are being infected with Jewish mysticism, Kabbalistic thinking, and it gets into that idea that you talked about right then of Christians kind of being second-class citizens in the kingdom of God.
That's the way that John Darby saw it as well.
He saw it as an amazing revelation from Jesus himself.
He said, I've been affected by no other man, no other teaching.
God has given this to me and it is a new revelation in history.
And many of the other theologians of the day said, yeah, this is new.
We've not seen anything about this in like 1700 years of church history.
So it was absolutely a new revelation and I would challenge anybody to get into that.
Now, speaking of that embassy moving and Candace Owens, you know, I just thought about this the other day.
Candace Owens is being attacked by an anti-Semite and all of that.
And to parallel her journey with what I just said about, I would have been Jenna Ellis.
Is that saying it right, Jenna?
Yes.
And Candace, I think, would have been the same way.
One of the things that put her on the map was when she went and sat in the legislature, I forget exactly what it was, but it was kind of a council on racism.
And she sat in there and talked to Ted Lieu and many of these other Democrat politicians and was coming at them, making great points.
But then at the end, she said, and to call me A racist or whatever, when it comes to...
Or to say that I'm aligned with Hitler because they were saying that she approved of Hitler.
You know, crazy stuff.
She said, I work for PragerU.
Dennis Prager's Jewish.
I'm the only one of anyone in this room that went to Israel to set in on this ceremony where the embassy was moved to Jerusalem.
How dare you?
And I think, hey, kudos to her.
You know, she made great points.
But you can just tell, here's a woman that's got nothing against the Jewish people at all.
But she has noticed, that keyword noticing, she's been seeing this, you know, Jewish-American, Jewish influence in our country.
And it's kind of like, you know, if God blesses those who bless Israel, well, there's been no other nation in this world That has blessed Israel the way that America has since 1948 and before helping it get set up.
And look at where we're at today.
And you've got both Democrats and Republicans for decades now lavishly pouring our money, praise, time, talent, energy on that nation.
And look where we're at today.
You know, the nation of Israel is one of the most secular, godless nations as much as any other.
In terms of actually following the laws of God.
So, I'll stop there because I talked for a minute.
No, I mean, that's good, and I want to get to your article in a minute, but I want to bring back up Candace Owens for a second because what you said really resonated with me.
We have people now, we talked about this on Monday, The Blaze's Steve Dace trying to question Candace's genuine Christianity.
Other people are trying to do the same thing.
They're trying to say, look, she used the phrase Christ's consciousness in one of her tweets recently, and that's a New Age phrase.
And, you know, I said the other day, like, look, I'm not saying that I agree with every theological belief that Candace Owens believes in or just, you know, Jeremy, I'm sure you and me have some disagreements as well.
But what I'm seeing is somebody claiming to be a Christian standing up against and refusing to allow her Christianity to be subservient to Judaism.
And I see that being the reason that she got fired, right?
And so people are trying to find, they're going back five years, and they're finding this Joe Rogan clip where Candace Owens says that she's not a Christian and doesn't believe in the resurrection.
And they're saying that, oh, well, that means she's not a Christian now.
So we don't have to confront what the Daily Wire did to her, because she's not a real Christian.
There's a lot of Christians coping out there doing this, acting like, five years?
That somebody can't come to faith in Christ in five years?
I mean, it just blows my mind.
It makes me so upset.
You've got to look at the body of someone's work.
So let's compare Candace Owens to somebody like John Darby.
There's a long track record on what each of these people have said.
If you make a mistake, she's on the air all the time.
She could make one little mistake, one slip of the tongue, whatever.
Does that mean that she's some subversive element that's actually trying to draw people away from Christ when her Entire body of work is promoting conservative Christian values and taking a ton of heat for it well before what's happened the last couple weeks.
No, you got to judge somebody based on the body of work, the fruit of their life.
Now, John Darby, on the other hand, it's really, really weird.
His family owned Lep Castle, which there was all these murders that happened there.
It's a long story.
One of his disciples among the Darbyites was Aleister Crowley's family.
If you know anything about Aleister Crowley, he called himself the Beast, and he was the most evil man in the world.
Some people think that he's the father of Barbara Bush and that Barbara Bush is really a man.
Have you heard that?
Yeah, I've heard that.
I've looked into it.
They do look alike.
I'll give you that.
They look a lot alike.
We did an episode on Friday on chemtrails, right?
Because of Tennessee, the Senate there passed a law ban in chemtrails.
We started talking about how you've got to believe your own eyes.
You've got to look up and believe your own eyes.
Don't believe what all these people are telling you.
And I specifically mentioned Macron's wife.
There's now evidence out there that Brigitte Macron was born a man.
And so once you see the evidence and then you go and you look at her, you're like, how did I ever believe that this was a biological woman?
And I pulled a clip up of Barbara Bush from 1980, and I'm telling you, it's even worse.
You go look, it's a local Pennsylvania television interview in 1980 with Barbara Bush, and I'm telling you, man, she looks like a linebacker.
She does.
There's some weird stuff there, man.
Speaking of that, I mean, I dug into the weeds on that about two years ago.
There's some ties in that you could make a case.
What I do know, just to wrap it up on Barbara, there is another interview that I saw maybe 20 years ago that it came out.
I saw it more recently.
And there's some weird stuff in that family.
I mean, she kept a big mason jar with her aborted fetus or a baby that had died.
What's it called when you passed the baby?
I'm sorry.
A miscarriage.
Yeah, a miscarried baby, which would have been the brother of George.
And she's openly saying, yeah, we kept it in a big jar in the library.
And one time, young George saw it and asked me questions about it.
That's just a weird thing to do.
And it is something that an Alistair Crowley-ite, somebody associated with him, might do.
Just some strange stuff.
So yeah, if you look at Darby's body of work, especially his Bible, The Bible that he translated had very Kabbalistic, globalist, and theosophical phrases, well-known phrases that he substituted for typical, at that time, King James Bible phrasing, to the point that it gets just flat weird.
So you can look at Darby and say, is this the kind of guy who I would want to take my cues on theology from versus a Candace Owens who's got, for a non-theologian, a great track record.
And now people are going and trying to find something wrong because it's actually putting a mirror in front of their face saying, is what I've...
Yeah, go ahead.
It also demonstrates what happens if you are a Christian and you come to faith later in life versus somebody who's been raised in the church and been kind of taught this dispensationalism.
So Candace, obviously, I don't believe she ever was taught that, and I'm speculating here, maybe she was.
She comes to faith, apparently comes to faith later in life, and we see the fruits of that.
Like, her ultimate conclusion is You know, she goes on this journey, and her conclusion is, hey, wait a second.
I mean, if I'm a Christian, then, I mean, in a world where we're told we have religious freedom, then I can believe what I want.
I can believe that a rabbi owning Pornhub is wrong, or I can believe a rabbi that has a sex shop business with his daughter is morally wrong, and I can be a Christian and use my authority as a Christian to condemn that as unholy, and this was a bridge too far for everybody.
Yeah, absolutely.
Back to your article here.
Again, it's out today.
The link is in the description.
It's very detailed.
I love how you set up the timeline, because you really have to have this context.
1400s to 1500s, generally.
What do you mean by the crypto-Jews?
What do you mean by that, Jeremy Sladen?
Yeah, it's an interesting phenomenon and you have to dig deep to get there because a lot of the Jesuits of today have whitewashed the internet.
So you got to use a lot of the Wayback Machine and other things.
But you can find legitimate websites that talk about, hey, the Ignatius of Loyola may have been a crypto Jew himself.
Now, what that was, was that at that time the Catholic Church was saying, convert to Catholicism or we're kicking you out or we're going to kill you.
So a lot of these Jewish families at that time kind of, you know, held their nose and said, all right, we'll convert to Catholicism outwardly, but inwardly, what would that do?
It would create a desire for revenge and you'd hold on to your Jewish beliefs even more strongly.
So it's no, to me, it's no surprise that it wasn't long before when the Pope said, yes, the Jesuit order is a real thing.
You can be priests.
He chose them to dismantle the Protestant doctrine.
And that's where Lacunza, all of those guys were from crypto Jewish families.
And that was incredibly hard for me to find.
But I was able to find in Chile, where he was from, his family was Lacunza and Diaz, his mom and dad, both from crypto-Jewish families in Spain that left and came to Chile and adopted Catholicism.
So it's really, the timeline I think is important to understand these threads that bring us to John Darby.
Yeah, and you already mentioned the Protestant Reformation, how the Protestants believed that the Pope was the Antichrist.
Then you just mentioned the Jesuit Order, foundation of the Jesuit Order.
Then we have the Counter-Reformation, the Council of Trent.
the Jesuits are commissioned by the Pope to destroy Protestantism and bring the people back to the Mother Church.
Then 1550 to 1700, the Jesuit deception.
This is where we get into what you just mentioned, Manuel Lucunza, which we covered in our last interview, which I know a lot of your article.
That was the most fascinating part to me about your last article, your first article, which you can get to once you're on this page.
And then in 1790, we have Manuel Lacunza completes his Magnus Opus, and that's the Chilean element that you just mentioned.
And then we get to the early 1800s.
So tell us about this, the era of cults.
What do you mean by the era of cults, the late 18th and early 19th century?
Well, a lot was happening around this time period.
So we're talking between 1790, which is actually the date that Lacunza finished his book, up until the late 1800s.
But there was an explosion of a need for new ideas which resulted in cults.
So, as I mentioned right there in the article, you can see it.
There was a lot of wars going on across the Christian world, including the American War of Independence, French Revolution, Napoleonic Wars.
Funny side note, not many people knew that Napoleon said, I'm calling for all of the Jews to return to Palestine.
There was a whole thing on that.
But anyhow, the Anglican Church, which was the Irish Church of England, They had become really corrupt, really stale, and everybody was seeing it.
So they held to a historicist view, mostly, of the future, and that was that a lot of the Book of Daniel, a lot of the Book of Revelation, had already been completed.
The prophecies had been fulfilled.
However, they were still awaiting a future return of Christ, and they believed that they were kind of in a millennium with that Catholic Pope and the Vatican being the beast system.
The other piece of that is there was a lot of optimism before all of those wars that was called the Great Awakening.
Well, then all those wars happened and everybody's kind of like they can't really go to their church for hope because it's not a hopeful place.
So there was a need for something and that's where these guys like Edward Irving and John Darby were these hopeful voices giving people something new to grasp onto.
Wow.
Okay.
So that makes sense.
I mean, you know, I know a lot about the Great Awakening.
I mean, it's one of the reasons why the American Revolutionary War happened.
You know, when you have somebody that is preaching like a George Whitefield up and down the colony saying, hey, look, you know, we're all equal under God.
You know, we're all accountable to God for what we do.
Then people can, you know, start to maybe think the divine right of kings and King George's rule is not something that is just...
It's not a wild idea to try to usurp.
Although we've talked before about how it was actually King George that was usurping them.
And so, okay, 1820s, the Jewish longing for Zion.
Yeah, let me say something here.
See all of those little, if anybody goes to the article, and I hope you all do, please subscribe to JSlayUSA Substack.
But all of the little hyperlinks, the underlined words...
Rather than going through in like an academic paper at the end, which I am going to put some of that in, but you can click that and see exactly where I got my timelines from.
You can judge for yourself if it's accurate or academic enough, but I tried to do a really good job with my sourcing, but that particular timeline was fascinating.
It's on a Jewish website going back to the early 1700s talking about, okay, here's when Jewish settlements began, but there was sort of an initial explosion with the first Ashkenazi community in 1820 and then the rabbis began to get after the Rothschilds because they realized okay these Rothschilds are by far the wealthiest people in the world and hey they happen to be Jewish they happen to have a lot of power spread out across all of Europe we need to get them to commit their fortune to our Zionist cause so that began
to happen and it's really cool when you find in 1829 that the wealthiest Rothschild in the world They say in the publications that he purchased Jerusalem.
We can't find proof of that, but these three separate publications all claim that he purchased Jerusalem at that time.
Wow.
Okay, so we get to the 1830s.
The Jewish longing for Zion grows.
Then, of course, we have John Nelson Darby.
And you talk about this in more greater detail later in the article, but the Powers Court meetings, this having to do with a lady...
By the name of Lady Powers Court, who is good friends with John Nelson Darby and Edward Irving, both men attended these conferences, and within a short time, Darby emerges as the standard bearer for dispensationalism while Irving begins to fade.
That's right.
So, walk us through this, Jeremy.
Yeah, so Edward Irving was the one that discovered the Jesuit priest, Manuel, who pretended to be a rabbi, by the way, Rabbi Juan Yosefat Ben Ezra, He called himself.
And so he discovered that work, fell in love with it, had it printed at the London Oxford Press, and he began to disseminate it at the Albury conferences and then at the Powerscorp conferences.
This Powerscourt lady was friends with both of these men.
Darby went to this conference and it basically blew his mind.
He had already found, he had a horse riding accident.
He was stuck in Dublin.
He found this group of men that believed two things.
They believed that God was, first of all, they wanted to get rid of any official clergy system, so he really liked that idea.
And then on top of that, they believe God was providing them special revelation that had not been given to anyone in 1800 years since the time of Christ.
So he kind of became glued to them.
They go to the Powers Court conferences and all of these Previously privately held ideas were given free expression.
They were able to talk about these things openly.
He was able to rub elbows with guys like Edward Irving, and from there it exploded.
Edward Irving kind of got a little crazy with his fixation on speaking in tongues and these other gifts that, I mean, I'm not talking badly about that, but it did kind of go off the rails.
He became excommunicated.
So he faded, and Darby stepped in and took over.
And it seems like Darby eventually has a problem with just the state of the church.
He is certainly, you know, using maybe people's, you know, tempting them to be not happy with the state of the church and, you know, pushing something new.
He was actually an ordained priest in the Church of England at the time.
So he had every reason to actually push the church's ways and methods forward.
But I think part of the reason he was successful is he was identifying problems accurately, but his solutions was a completely different animal.
Explain this one.
Darby sought to explain the future by reinterpreting the past.
He was uniquely willing to disregard history.
When it did not suit his dispensational needs, he wrote, What does he mean by that?
I think he means exactly what he says that he means.
That actual historic fact was less important to him than this personal revelation that he said he was getting from Jesus Christ.
And, you know, that's a problem.
If you're looking at a theologian to guide you, that is not something that I would want them to believe.
So specifically, is he talking about the fact that the Bible records the fall of Babylon and he doesn't want to admit that the Babylon fell, the historical city fell, because it's going to be in the future in Revelation somehow?
Is that what he's saying?
Well, what he's doing here, he's not making a specific reference that would tie into his specific eschatological system.
What he's doing here is making a general statement saying, hey, I don't care what history has to say.
What I care about Is my personal revelation that I'm receiving as I read my Bible or what have you.
So I don't think he's making a direct link to anything that I could find.
Okay.
And this kind of brings us full circle, this part of your new article.
Again, it's linked in this video.
If you want the video description, if you want to check this out, I encourage you to do it.
And subscribe to JSlay Substack as well.
Replacement theology.
This was at the very beginning of the show.
If you missed it, folks, you go back and watch it.
We talked about Christians having a big problem with so-called replacement theology, which is really covenant theology, been taught in the church for 2,000 years.
And because everybody is hurling insults of anti-Semitism in the wake of Candace Owens' firing, and everybody's terrified of being thought of as an anti-Semitism, so we've got to clarify that Christ is king when it trends is maybe not always a good thing.
Tell me what you think about this.
For Darby, fulfillment of prophecy involved the two peoples of God and required a secret rapture.
That's right.
Well, the secret rapture was to ensure that the church, the Christian people would be removed, and then God was going to reinstate the old system of the temple sacrifices of the nation state of Israel.
Now again, this is the way that Darby saw it, and it was a radical departure from the historic belief that was about one people of God, the church.
And not just the historic belief in the sense of our church fathers, but also all you've really got to do Is take an honest look at the book of Romans.
And I'm doing that right now all over again.
I'm reading through the book of Romans line by line.
And just look at what Paul is saying about, you know, we're going to be grafted in.
It's going to be one people of God, the church.
And, you know, when a law, like Jenna Ellis is saying, well, Jesus fulfilled the law.
Yeah, he did.
So by fulfilling it, you no longer need that old system.
If something is fulfilled, it doesn't have to continue on.
And that's where Darby said, no, this new revelation says it does continue on, and the church is a mere parentheses in God's system.
So we're in the middle of the church dispensation, and he fully believed that the church was about to end, by the way.
He said, the rapture is going to happen in our lifetime.
All these men did that.
Yeah, and there's going to be people in the comments, I know what you just said, they're going to say, but Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it.
And so sometimes people use that verse to say, you know, see, we need to...
But the truth of the fact is, he didn't come to abolish it, he came to fulfill it.
He didn't want...
A jot or a tittle changed because he was, you know, is God, is the Word of God, and was going to fulfill it, right?
So I'm not going to abolish it.
I'm going to fulfill it.
And that's the context.
There's a difference, too, between the moral law based around the Ten Commandments that are written on the heart of every man.
Correct.
And then the laws, the 600-something laws of the Judaizers, those are two very different things.
So you can, without getting too much into the weeds, I do think that Christ was saying, hey, the Ten Commandments still matter.
Of course.
But this whole sacrificial system is something else.
And Christians sending red heifers over there to Israel.
I was just about to go there.
I mean, could we make it more?
I mean, that's why I titled this section, Israel replaces the church, which is exactly what Darby believed, and it's exactly what pastors are saying is going to happen.
Well, there's no doubt that there's a modern-day Sanhedrin movement, and they want to rebuild the temple.
They want to rebuild it, the third temple.
And you have Christians that are eagerly supplying these spot-free, blemish-free red heifers, right?
And I get the sense that they kind of feel like, you know, this is going to, you know, force the return of Christ, right?
This is going to somehow trick God or put God in some sort of catch-22 where it's like, ah, well, you know, I guess I've got to, you know, start the end times.
Let's get things rolling.
And it's just so arrogant and prideful.
And it's a dangerous thing.
I'll get into the reasons why it's dangerous in a minute.
Interestingly enough, this goes back to Candace Owens right here.
So she's been in this argument, this debate with Rabbi Shmuley and other rabbis.
But let's talk about Shmuley for a minute.
He is beholden to one rabbi who many of the Chabad movement, if that's how you say it right, believe that he's the Messiah.
Many of them still do today, even though he died.
And that is Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson.
Have you heard of him before, Paul?
I have not.
Okay, so this guy's the one that made orthodoxy kind of cool again, especially to those who previously didn't hold to it within the Jewish community.
You probably saw those tunnels that were being dug in that one Chabad thing up in New York.
Oh, yeah.
Remember that?
Those were Schneerson followers.
Now, this Schneerson is a big deal, and I think this is why Candace Owens said, this is the last show I'm going to do on this when she was talking about Michael Jackson.
P. Diddy, the whole connection there to Jewish people.
She said it's getting scary.
I think she probably peeled back the layers and saw what was really going on here.
You've got Shmuley who's beholden to Schneerson.
Schneerson is the one that visited Ronald Reagan saying we need to reinstitute these Noahide laws.
Which not many people know what that is.
He was the king of the Noahide laws.
If you look at his previous writings, he talks about flat out the church is going to end.
They will become subservient to Judaism.
And really, the Noahide laws, if you read them, the penalty for not keeping them is beheading.
It's beheading.
So what does the book of Revelation talk about is going to happen during the tribulation of the saints?
Beheadings.
They're going to lose their heads.
So it's really interesting the way this all works out.
Now, I saw a video recently of Schneerson at a conference, and different really famous movie people like Steven Spielberg were coming up to him asking for blessings.
Okay, Spielberg does lots of Holocaust movies, all of that.
You've got RFK has pictures taken with Schneerson.
Schneerson has a lot of power.
And on top of that, Paul, you've got Donald Trump's own daughter, Ivanka Trump, going twice now, 2016 and 2020, with her husband, Kushner, to pray at Schneerson's grave to ask for blessings on Donald Trump getting the presidency again.
So I think what Candace is saying is, whoa.
This thing goes deep.
It's affecting both sides of the aisle, the Republican right, the conservatives, and the hard kind of weird left on the Zionist secular side.
And man, I'm just one little person who's about to get fired.
What do I do?
I think she's kind of in that place.
She's being bold about it, but I think that's why she said, this is the last time I'm going to talk about this.
And on my Instagram, I'm going to do an entire deep dive on Schneerson, the Noahide laws, and what that Chabad movement's plan is for...
It's weird to say, but world domination.
They're very open about it.
Wow.
Unbelievable.
And again, we have a lot of American Christians who are totally ignorant of that fact, totally ignorant because of John Nelson Darby.
You quote the great theologian Charles Spurgeon, saying, We don't even mention the other renderings in Darby's New Bible, much less notice the transposition of tenses and prepositions, or the awkward English diction throughout.
Suffice it to say that some renderings are good, and some of the notes are good, but taken as a whole with a great display of learning, the ignorance of the results of modern criticism is almost incredible.
And the fatal upsetting of vital doctrines condemns the work as more calculated to promote skepticism than true religion, the most sacred subjects being handled with irreverent familiarity.
So Charles Spurgeon wasn't a fan of John Nelson Darby.
Not at all.
And I've got many more quotes later in this article of him not being a fan for other reasons.
He claimed that they were the most selfish group that he knew, that they were constantly fighting everybody.
Darby was kind of a scoundrel.
He made all kinds of statements, and he's not the only one.
He's just one of the most notable contemporaries.
Now, I made several mentions in my article of things that Darby put in his Bible that were Kabbalistic, Theosophical, Luciferian, or Globalist in nature.
Keep it right there.
I want to read this because I think that this is important.
Consider this.
The Occult Theosophical Society's logo prominently features what is popularly known as a Star of David.
Now, for those who are more in the know, they would say a Seal of Solomon or a Star of Remphan.
Okay, now I think Jenna Ellis should definitely do a deep dive on this Star of David because that was another eye-opener for me.
You know, if the very symbol is occultic in nature, we got a problem, right?
So...
Think about that.
The logo of the Theosophical Society is the Star of David, and Darby is using theosophical phrases throughout his Bible translation.
The Theosophical Society prizes the Jewish Kabbalah.
Their publishing arm was originally known as the Lucifer Publishing Company.
This is all true today.
Now it's known as the Lucius Trust.
The Lucius Trust headquarters are inside of the United Nations Plaza in New York.
It was a gift by the Rockefellers, by the way.
It was the Theosophical Society that printed the Hebrew Talisman, the 1836 manuscript owned by Nathan Rothschild in which a mystical wandering Jew is begging him to purchase Jerusalem, rebuild the temple, and crush Christianity.
I encourage everybody at some point to read that book.
It is prophetic, just in a negative sense, but it tells a lot about what's happening in the world today.
Unbelievable.
We're about out of time for the hour.
We have a few minutes left.
Is there something that we have?
Obviously, we can't read the whole article.
It's extremely extensive, but is there something we're missing?
What have I not covered that you really want to tell this audience?
What time is this show coming out?
Six o'clock?
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
Well, by the time people see this and click it, this article is also at the very end going to have the direct connections between John Darby and the occult.
But my main advice for anyone is let the tension of these ideas about anti-Semitism.
Is Candace Owens really that way?
What does the Bible really say?
Let this cause everyone to do a deep dive on their own into the Scriptures to read it, not just to run to a pastor that you know is going to reaffirm what you already believe.
Now, I'm not saying don't go to pastors.
I think that they are ordained for a reason many times.
Not Darby, but some of the others.
But, you know, we should wrestle with these things.
And I think, ultimately, if you are wrestling with a pure heart and praying, God, show me the truth on this thing and getting wise counsel about it.
The truth is going to emerge.
And the biggest danger in my mind is this.
Let's say that this pre-tribulation rapture is a hoax set up by Jewish interests, Freemasonic interests and otherwise.
What's going to happen when all of these red heifers are sacrificed and there is no rapture?
And then a few years later, they say, hey, we sacrificed the heifers.
Here is our Messiah.
And all the Christians are like, well, that can't be the Antichrist because we've not been raptured yet.
Then they begin to adjust their theology and say, well, maybe it's a mid-trib rapture.
We'll wait on that.
Well, then that doesn't happen either, right?
And stuff gets really bad, and these Noahide laws become instituted.
Then they start to kind of maybe lose their faith.
There's a big crisis of faith.
And the Bible talks about a great falling away in the end times.
So you could have a great falling away.
You could have an acceptance of the Antichrist as Messiah.
And then you could even have a lot of conversions to Judaism or very Kabbalistic Judaism because Christians are going to start saying, well, what's the only thing that's proven true?
Well, it looks like that there's been a Messiah come around for the Jewish people.
And so I know I'm stumbling on my words a bit because I'm kind of piecing this together, but I think that we've got to be very cautious about believing we're just going to be zapped away before any of this happens because that could set us up for a great falling away.
Yeah.
It's certainly something to think about.
I mean, and I've thought about that as well.
Let's say that, you know, some of the events that, you know, people describe as a tribulation actually start to happen, and you have people just wondering why they haven't been raptured yet.
You know, just what you were saying, and then it just kind of could be some, you know, crisis.
I mean, we saw how many Christians, like, felt a little pressure to lose their job, so they took the jab.
That's exactly right.
Imagine if they're going to be beheaded.
Yeah.
I mean, what would they be willing to accept then?
I know.
I know.
I have thought about that many times throughout my life, and certainly with the COVID-19 thing, certainly with the churches closing and everything else, just how quickly they were willing to believe the advice of pagan men, men who are not Christians but were telling them that they needed to close down.
So they did, because they didn't want to be seen as extremists, right?
And I was over here like, when the churches were closing, Jeremy, I was over here like, wait a second.
To the beheading remark, I thought we were willing to die for our faith if we had to, and we won't even meet on a Sunday because we're afraid of getting sick and dying.
It was unbelievable.
I think a lot of people have learned.
There's been a lot of people that have left churches and found other churches that didn't close or at least stay closed for three months.
That's been very, very good, I feel like, for the American church.
Jeremy Sladen, it's always great having you on.
I feel like this has been a great episode.
I hope the people have enjoyed it and learned a lot.
I know I've learned a lot, and I want to encourage everybody to check out your show.
And I said it right earlier, right?
It's J Slay USA. I mean, that's the name of the show.
So the main two places I want people to go is J Slay USA on Substack to read the article and also stay tuned because I've got three more articles leading into where this is all going.
So I'm not just going to focus on the past.
And then I'm also going to release another little short film based on each article on my Rumble channel at J Slay USA on Rumble.
So you can go to both places to get the visual and the written.
Wow, that's going to be incredible.
I'm going to stay tuned for that for sure.
Thank you so much, Jeremy.
We'll do it again soon.
Thank you, Paul.
Enjoyed it.
Yes, sir.
Folks, that's all the time that we have for this edition of the Millstone Report.
My name is Paul Harrell.
Don't forget, you can check out the link of this latest article by Jeremy Slate.
It is in the Rumble video here on the Snoop Peters Network.
We will see you tomorrow.
God bless.
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