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Feb. 15, 2024 - Stew Peters Show
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Millstone Report w Paul Harrell: Stephen Wolfe's Christian Nationalism TRIGGERS Big Eva Cabal
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The rainbow Gestapo, the goose-stepping gay lobby, all of that stops right now.
People say we need to make America great again.
I completely agree.
We may need to make Gallows great again.
Literally so many people that need to have a millstone put around their neck and tossed into the sea.
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you so much for being with us.
We really do appreciate it.
We can't do the show without you.
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Thursday.
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So American Christians tend to be divided.
The various Protestant denominations exist really because of theological and ecclesiastical differences.
Welcome to my show!
You see, in days past, American Christians used to argue about things, different doctrines that divided us, and they used to do that in the public square.
Issues like faith alone in Jesus Christ or faith plus works, infant baptism versus creedal baptism, or the mode of baptism, pouring, sprinkling, or immersion.
And here's a big one, predestination versus man having the power to choose God and kind of sort of save himself by saying a prayer.
Anyway, all of these things are important to talk about and sincere Christians have deeply held beliefs and reasons for believing one way or the other.
And I say all of that to say that Christians are divided on these issues but tend to agree on the key tenets of Christianity, the big issues, if you will.
Issues like Jesus Christ is Lord.
The only way to salvation is through Christ who intercedes for us, whose death on a criminal's cross paid for our sins.
On these things, we agree.
But because of the increasingly wicked secular culture, the public debate has shifted.
As the foundations of our Christian Republic erode away before our very eyes, the public debates now center on whether or not God even exists or whether we are accountable to Him for our sins.
This is causing Christians all across denominations To wake up and form political alliances designed to push back against the great evils of our day, evils like transing kids and calling it health care, or the parents who demand the right to take their kids to drag shows where they can be ogled by half-naked pedophiles.
Critics of this movement, many of them highly educated ministers and pastors, are now warning whoever will listen to them about the dangers of nationalism, specifically Christian nationalism.
Well, what is Christian nationalism?
Well, that's one of the reasons this show, The Millstone Report, exists.
I want to help answer that question because it can mean different things to different people.
To some, it sparks fears of fascism in 1930s Germany.
Germany, for others like me, I see it as a natural response of Christian pew-sitters realizing that the live-and-let-live secular republicanism that is giving us the likes of Mormon Mitt Romney as a presidential candidate is no longer going to cut it.
You see, Christians who attend church regularly and are then sent out into a world that hates them and their children are mustering the Rohirrim and wanting to use what little political power we have left and civil rights that we have left to amass more political power and put back in place a government that Christians who attend church regularly and are then sent out into a world that hates them and their children are mustering the Rohirrim and wanting
So the idea that it is somehow taboo to talk about religion and politics is not working out so well for us.
I would argue that if you're talking about politics, then talking about religion should be a requirement.
So to simplify all of this, if live and let live means parents have the right to pay a doctor to mutilate their kids' genitals, Or put them on chemical castration drugs, then let's pass some laws making this a crime.
And if you want to call that Christian nationalism like it's some kind of insult, go right ahead.
I mean, I think we can take being called Christian nationalist or Christofascist if it means we can protect children and promote the general good of society.
Our Christian brethren, though, and I'm not talking about the woke churches, I'm talking about true, genuine Christians who do not yet see the rise in Christian hatred and the very real possibility that if we keep going down this path that we're currently on, it will see Christians in boxcars and camps.
To those who have not come to that conclusion, Christian nationalism seems based in idolatry or some kind of civic dementia or psychosis.
However, I'm willing to be patient.
I hope you are too.
And hopefully shows like this can further the discussion and debate on a very important question.
That question is, what are Christians supposed to do while we watch the total destruction of our country?
Preach the gospel?
Yes.
And that's what good churches do every single Sunday.
But what should Christians do the other six days of the week?
I mean, we're in a world, we're in the world, and last I checked, we still have rights for the moment.
Some are very alarmed at the rise of Christian nationalism, though.
One of those people is a man named James Lindsay.
On a recent broadcast of Timcast in Real Life, Tim Pool responded to a viewer's question about James Lindsay's constant attack against Christian nationalists.
So I've read as much as I can stomach of James Lindsay's tweets, but apparently James believes that this whole movement, Christian nationalism, is a giant psyop designed to give the government a pretext to crack down on all Christians and force them into a binary choice, your faith or allegiance to the state.
He thinks those in the Christian nationalist movement are either covert operatives or useful idiots.
One of James Lindsay's frequent targets is the author of The Case for Christian Nationalism.
His name is Stephen Wolf, and Stephen Wolf joins us now to talk more about this.
Stephen, welcome to the Millstone Report, sir.
Thank you so much for coming on.
Hi, Paul.
Thanks for having me on.
All right, so let's take the first issue, then we'll kind of work backwards into the monologue.
James Lindsay, he goes on these long tweets about the dangers of Christian nationalism, and he thinks that it's some sort of PSYOP and that the people who are advocating for Christian nationalism and naming it as a good policy are somehow in on a government PSYOP. What are your thoughts?
I mean, there's a lot of thoughts there.
It feels like, in a way, being accused of racism, which means they can just toss it out there and then you have to just dig your way out of the accusation.
So, you know, the accusation, are you part of a PSYOP? Are you part of some sort of Fed conspiracy theory?
It's one of those things where you don't even want to deny it because then you're playing the game, he's kind of setting for you.
But yeah, it's been fairly frustrating.
One of the problems here, and this is not just true of James Lindsay, it's true of Rob Reiner, it's true of people like a believer named Kristen Stewart who wrote the power, what is it, the power gospel, I forget what it is now.
But the critics of Christian nationalism, they all tend to be oftentimes non-Christian.
And so they don't even take the theological claims seriously from the very beginning.
And so, of course, they're then going to call it a psyop.
Of course, then they're going to call it about power and all this, because they don't take seriously from the outset theological claims.
So if you're an atheist or you're agnostic or whatever, you're not going to take those seriously.
And that's one of the unfortunate things when you see Christians kind of backing these people, is that then they're kind of piggybacking on people who, from the very outset, don't even affirm theological claims to begin with.
So it's been very, it's pretty frustrating, especially when someone like me where I put out a book that I thought contained good arguments.
They weren't the sort of rhetorical devices or tweetable sort of like, you know, arguments.
It was just actually systematic arguments.
And it's frustrating to see people then just line up along the sides on the side of people who don't even care about the argument in the first place.
And actually, James Lindsay said that.
I believe he said that on Twitter before, that he doesn't even care about the arguments themselves.
You just call it a psyop and that's it.
But yeah, it's fairly frustrating.
I would just ask Christians that I make sincere theological claims and you should evaluate them on their merits instead of just kind of going to this conspiratorial route.
Do you think, for example, I mentioned earlier the Super Bowl ad, the He Gets Us campaign, you know, basically presenting this false gospel.
I think if you look at the He Gets Us ad campaign, whoever's funding that, then the Rob Reiner God and country meant to, you know, attack...
Christians and Christian nationalists.
I mean, I think they're very much afraid.
I mean, I know James Lindsay thinks it's a small movement, he says, and it's not ever going to be useful, but the government's then going to use it as like a J6 false flag or something.
I actually think they're very afraid of people who claim Christ as Lord from waking up and starting to reject this This idea of neutrality, this idea of secularism, this idea that if you're a public official, you've got to leave your faith at the door when you're making laws.
Do you think that they're afraid?
See, this is one thing I disagree...
I mean, among many things, I disagree with James Lindsay on this.
I do think they are actually legitimately afraid, and they see Christians as a threat to their power, probably the only threat to their power.
And there's a reason why, as Lindsay points out, that there's this use of Christian nationalism as...
It's a derogatory term against Christians or evangelicals.
And that's because evangelicals are the strongest voting bloc that's actually opposing.
In terms of groups, evangelicals are this sort of bulwark against the regime itself.
That voting bloc, namely the evangelical vote, particularly the white evangelical vote, that's why they always want to call it white Christian nationalism.
If you eliminate that as a voting bloc in elections, then the left just completely seizes power without any sort of Opposition.
And so that is the explanation for the use of this supposedly scary term Christian nationalism by the regime.
It's to attack a force that has undermined them, a force that elected Donald Trump, a force that might elect him this year.
And so it is an actual threat to their power.
And so...
Yeah, absolutely.
I think they view Christians as a threat to their power.
I completely agree.
And I even know the forces, the higher-ups who control the GOP and really the Uniparty, they certainly have betrayed the Christian voter many, many times.
I think they disdain us as well, the higher-ups in the GOP, as I mentioned earlier.
But yeah, the boogeyman of Christian nationalism.
I am of the opinion that a lot of pastors or ministers are way more alarmed at this than just average lay people who go to church every Sunday and then go back into the world.
Do you kind of see that as well, that there's a disconnect?
Absolutely.
I don't know about your average pastor, but I think if you think of the elites, the evangelical elites, Which are people who have some kind of platform on the national stage, usually through conference circuits and book deals and just strong friendships among just sort of elite class.
I think they are nervous about Christian nationalism, not only in the version that I put forward, or you can call it movement Christian nationalism, which I would be a part of.
Or just the broad Christian nationalism defined by the sociologists.
I think they're actually nervous about both of those.
They're nervous about my side because I'm essentially retrieving older politics.
I want a more assertive...
I'm providing arguments and historical and theological backing for a more assertive Christian politics.
And so they don't like that because they want to control the narrative.
They want to control...
They want to be the thought leaders and they want to gatekeep and exclude those who would kind of oppose their common ideals.
They also oppose the more general Christian nationalism because those are the people, again, they're the ones voting for Trump.
They're the ones voting for people like Dusty Deavers.
They're the ones voting for a more assertive...
Among Christian politics demanding a more assertive Christian leadership within the political world.
And that kind of embarrasses them.
Because when I say they're evangelical elites, I don't mean that they're just the elites among evangelicals, but that they are the sort of evangelical wing of the broader regime.
Meaning they're part of the elite class.
of our society generally.
They're just the evangelical wing of that, which means this explains why the evangelical elites are so interested in kind of Christianizing the narratives that the regime puts out.
So whatever sort of the American regime or the You said the uniparty.
Whatever the uniparty is going to believe in, whatever the current thing is, the evangelical elite are very reliable in kind of taking that idea and then Christianizing it.
Wear the mask.
Love your neighbor.
Wear the mask.
Love your neighbor.
Get the experimental clot shot.
Yeah.
Yeah, and then if it's like a racial justice, social justice thing, they talk about the image of God and the infinite value of the person.
They'll bring all these kind of theological language in to, as it's like, theologize or Christianize some regime idea that they then package for a more evangelical audience.
You know what's fascinating about this?
Okay, go ahead.
Well, just all that to say that that's why they don't like the Christian nationalist.
I mean, when we talk about Christian nationalism, again, like I said, you can talk about the movement Christian nationalism, which I'm a part of.
You have Andrew Isker and Torba and these other guys and a bunch of people online and in churches.
And I certainly feel, I probably see it more in the back channels, a sort of fear within denominations that we're restoring a true Presbyterian politics or a true Anglican or like an older style, a sort of Baptist politics.
And there is concern among the elites.
But then if you distinguish that from the broader Christian nationalism, This means that if you are just, by the definition of the sociologists, so people like Andrew Whitehead, people like Samuel Perry, Philip Gorski, these others who want to talk about Christian nationalism, if you are a conservative and you are a Christian, You are a Christian nationalist in their eyes.
You may have never heard of me or heard of my book or anything associated with the whole movement, Christian nationalism, but you are, in their eyes, a Christian nationalist.
I think that's really important because when people like James Lindsay want to start saying, oh, don't take the bait, don't become a Christian nationalist, they're going to spring a trap on you from the federal government and all that, you're already, in their eyes, a Christian nationalist.
So part of my sales pitch to adopt the label is to say, look, you're going to be it no matter what.
So why not, even if you don't want to say I'm a Christian nationalist, why not embrace a, instead of just kind of cowering and say, and cower in the corner and just take the beatings from the regime, why not we as Christians, Christian Americans say, no, this is our country and we're going to fight to reassert a moral, a type of Christian moral liberty.
That was the foundation of most of our history.
It wasn't a secular, a purely secularist conception of political order.
It was a Christian one.
And so what I'm saying is that instead of cowering in the corner, even if you don't want to embrace the label, embrace the spirit of it, which is to say, we're going to restore and recover what our country was for most of its history until I'd say maybe a few decades ago.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm glad that you mentioned the sociological definition, right?
I mean, if you believe in Jesus, if you're a Christian and you vote, in their eyes, you're going to be a Christian nationalist.
And so, if you go look at what this guy, James Lindsay, says, you know, just constantly bashing Christian nationalism, part of his theory or hypothesis, you know, is that it's a PSYOP, and it's designed to get the government to crack down on Christian nationalisms,
thereby corrupting I mean, aside from the obvious,
you're either a Christian nation or a pagan nation, According to those who are in power now that hate Christians, the anti-white or anti-Christian hate that permeates the media, permeates every institution, professional sports, Hollywood, TV, all of it, according to them, if you believe in Jesus as Lord, then there's something wrong with you.
That's already the status quo.
So it really already is a binary choice, isn't it?
Yeah, and we're not exaggerating.
I mean, if you look at the research, and people like Andrew Whitehead and Samuel Perry say it's a threat to democracy, and it turns out that half of Americans are Christian nationalists, and it's a threat to democracy.
Yeah, it is...
Let me put it this way.
If I had never written the book...
If the other, you know, one or two other books that kind of claim Christian nationals, if they've never been written, if there never was this kind of movement within Presbyterian Baptist and some Anglican circles, as you see today over the last year, if that never occurred, the PSYOP that James Lindsay has identified would still actually be the case.
It's not that we generated this.
It was already in the works prior to it happening.
And I fully admit that it's used as a term of derision.
I fully admit that.
But if you flee, let me put it this way, if you flee from the label and say, oh, I'm not that, well then, by their definition, you're essentially no longer conservative and likely no longer Christian.
So I'm not saying embrace the label, whatever, I'm just saying that you can't escape this.
It's not like, you know, Lindsay says, don't take the bait, don't take the bait.
Well, you already, you took the bait without knowing it because you're conservative and Christian.
And so I think we should just, instead of kind of, like I said, cowering in the corner, this has already sprung upon us.
Yes, the regime is anti-white, it's anti-Christian.
Yes, they're going to devise ways to attack us.
But instead of, like I said, kind of running away or fleeing labels or being weak and passive, Just instead say, yeah, I'm conservative, I'm Christian, and I want this to be a Christian country, and we're going to organize as such.
So in other words, if you're an evangelical and you vote for Republicans, just kind of realize what you're doing.
Instead of thinking, oh, I'm a values voter, which is one thing you are, think, no, I am part of a group of people whom the regime thinks are the I think it's good to think of the American regime and the various webs of control and relations that they have as a type of occupied or
occupier, like they're sort of occupied force.
I mean, imagine...
I mean, imagine, think of it this way.
If we were to, let's say, go to Afghanistan and take over Afghanistan and impose transgender things upon that community, it would be very obvious that we're trying to impose certain bizarre rituals and rites upon that country.
But we can't see it in the United States because they're Americans.
They have their citizenship.
They've lived here a long time.
They look like us, this and that.
And so we don't realize that, no, they are de facto occupying force.
And the reason why they keep saying Christian National is bad, Christian National is bad, is because they actually see us as the sort of last person The last kind of assertive force against them.
And that's why they want to destroy us.
And so I'm saying consciously affirm.
We need to constantly affirm that we are the enemies of the regime.
It's not as if the institutions are holding on to like by a thread and it's just this election will take them back or whatever.
No, it's like we're occupied.
We're the enemies and we should realize that.
Yeah, I mean, it's not necessarily about what Christians do, although we are in Christian red states passing laws and everything else that are good.
It's about who we are.
It fundamentally comes down to who we are as believers.
I want to back up.
You said something earlier about how these evangelical elites, the big guys, let's say like a Russell Moore or a David Francher, and I know there's others.
Those are the two that are in my mind because they're being used or they're part of this Rob Reiner documentary trying to basically paint all Christians as bad.
The idea that they take the regime's message and then somehow sanitize it for Christian consumption, trying to make a – it's literally trying to keep us from – rising up necessarily isn't the term, but I guess noticing rise.
realizing that we've got to do something different.
They'll tell us, well, don't get mad at the regime because you don't want to make politics an idol.
That's not the gospel and everything else.
But I came across a clip, and I don't have it with me because it just dawned on me, but I think it was in 2008, Rick Warren from Saddleback Church, he went to the World Economic Forum.
This was back when the World Economic Forum met a few weeks ago or a month ago or whatever.
This kind of came to light, and he went to the World Economic Forum in Davos, and he was doing an interview talking about how The World Economic Forum needs to utilize the local pastor, that they're trying to figure out how to get all these systems to work together,
how to solve all of these problems, and they're using government to do it, and they're using big business to do it, but they need a three-legged stool, not a two-legged stool, a three-legged stool, and it needs to be tapping the trust That local communities have in their clergy.
And I just wanted to point that out.
I'd love to get your reaction.
I think that's exactly what happened over the last 20 years.
And we definitely saw it play out during COVID. Some of it was probably intentional, but other aspects of it could have been just this blind trust that A lot of these well-educated clergy put in the word of people like Anthony Fauci who really don't even believe in God.
What are your thoughts?
Yeah, I mean, it's been characterized as rent and evangelical, that idea.
Because evangelicals, probably mainly because of a kind of fundamentalist background, they were very distrustful of society.
And so they have some of that kind of distrust Side to them.
And so they're only going to listen to insiders.
They're only going to listen to people who are one of them.
And so instead of...
This is why Rob Reiner would have David French and Russell Moore and Dumez and these others...
Talk in his documentary.
Because he knows that it can't be Rob Reiner just bashing Christians.
No one's going to listen to him.
But they will listen, apparently.
I don't know who.
But there will be people who listen to these others who are insiders.
And so yeah, like David French and...
Russell Moore been propped up as exactly that.
And this is why I call them regime evangelicals, meaning that they're essentially there to, they exist to act as insiders, but really on behalf of something outside of evangelical, namely the regime, which is opposed to us.
That's their role.
And I've written about that for years, and now it's become so blatantly obvious.
It's out in the open that's what they're doing, that they have just been tapped to.
I mean, it was also the David French, Russell Moore, and I forget the other guy's name, were paid a huge amount of money to develop curriculum for churches.
I don't know if you've covered this yet.
No, I have not.
But yeah, they were paid just tremendous sums of money to develop.
And this was from a left-wing organization, and they've received money to develop curriculum for Sunday schools.
So, I mean, it's another perfect example.
Literally get outside leftist money so that you can develop a political curriculum to be taught in evangelical Sunday schools.
Again, Megan Basham's written on that.
You can read that from her.
So yeah, absolutely.
They're renting evangelical and they function precisely in that way.
Like I said, they package and Christianize regime talking points.
So whether it's funding Ukraine or funding Israel or whether it's the racial social justice stuff, that's absolutely what they do.
And what they also do is they...
They're very incoherent and very inconsistent because they'll say, oh, the kingdom's not of this world.
Oh, that's not a gospel issue.
Like for things that Christians might care about if they want to be more assertive against LGBTQ +, whatever, and say, no, let's rein that in.
They might say, oh, well, we should love our neighbors.
But then when it comes to racial justice, they have a whole new set from their rhetorical kit bag.
They talk about the image of God and the infinite value of each person in the eyes of God.
And they'll definitely destroy the racist and make them unemployable.
So they'll just use this rhetorical, I call it a rhetorical kit bag, where whatever is useful So for their political purposes, they'll bring it out.
And it has two functions.
There's two basic functions of it.
One is to restrain Christians from acting politically.
So that would be, so for example, you know, Jesus said, my kingdom is not of this world.
So they'll pull that out.
I'll add to that.
Kingdom is not of this world, so don't be so upset when the Obergefell decision comes down and legalizes gay marriage.
You don't want to idolize the biblical family, or you don't want to idolize.
You know, that's the kind of stuff they do.
Yeah, so they'll pull those lines out.
Yeah, don't be a political idol, right?
Don't do this and that.
But then 2020 happens and there's riots in the streets and cities burning and Russell Moore says nothing.
I mean, so it's one of these weird, it's like, who's got an idol?
But anyway, or yeah, or it's when they want evangelicals to act, then like I said, they pull out the image of God card.
Or whatever.
So it's incoherent, but evangelicals, I think, have been socialized into that kit bag, and so it works oftentimes.
It doesn't usually work because, again, 81% voted for Trump, but nevertheless, I mean, yeah.
But do you think the level of depravity, right?
All of that's failing.
I think that's the whole point of this.
All of that seems to be failing because people are saying, what we're doing is not working.
They want to accuse us of idolizing America or trying to say that Christian nationalism in a Christian nation would somehow be salvific.
And it's like, no, we're not saying that.
We're not saying that that's where salvation comes from, by having a government that reflects the values of God that doesn't actually save the people.
But likewise, you know, they want to—and maybe I'm, you know, kind of 10 years, you know, stuck in the past when it comes to this warning the Christian of political idolatry.
But likewise, they seem to be worshiping this libertarianism.
They seem to be worshiping this live-and-let-live mentality.
And I, quite frankly, don't get it in the face of, you know, wickedness, the likes of which we've never seen.
I know nothing is new under the sun, but I mean, you know— The context of, well, all that stuff has gone on in other places throughout history, but yeah, we're not other places.
We were a Christian country, and the context here is we're watching the paganization of that Christian country, the satanic transformation of that Christian country, and for the meantime, we still have rights to organize and try to do something about it, so shouldn't we?
Yeah.
And this is, again, this is the irony.
This is the contradiction is that, yeah, we can't, the things you mentioned, we can't attempt to stop.
Like, we can't restrain any of that stuff.
But then when it comes to, like, the social justice issues that the left likes...
We actually have to be either supportive or silent.
So we have to, 2020, we have to support racial justice and we have to go to BLM rallies and those sorts of things.
But if it's anything else, if it's a drag queen story hour, then we have to, well, say it's a matter of government neutrality.
Again, they just toss out whatever, but it's always one direction.
So they're perfectly willing to You know, publicly destroy the quote-unquote racist.
So use all the forces you could possibly have to make them unemployable, this and that, dox them, all that.
They're perfectly willing to do that, but they're not willing to do that to any other group that the left actually cherishes.
So any sacred identity of the left that the Christianity traditionally would oppose, we have to love them as our neighbor, which essentially means tolerate it and kind of get over it and give them space to do their...
They're story hours.
So it's wildly contradictory.
So we can't think...
It's not simply that they're libertarian and say live and let live.
It's they're live and let live to one side.
Right.
They don't actually believe that.
They want to discriminate against Christians.
They don't want to tolerate us at all.
Yeah, it's a lie.
And that's the thing, though.
We have people, you know, what I would consider, you know, in our camp, not maybe in the Christian nationalist camp, but you have Christians that don't seem to get that.
They don't seem to understand that, you know, they're standing up for live and let live or some pluralistic society.
It's not pluralistic.
It's a society that is without Christians when you take everything to its ultimate conclusion.
I want to ask you one more question because we've been talking here and there on this program about blasphemy laws and how American states had blasphemy laws on the books up until the middle of the 20th century.
They withstood court challenges.
And this we've been doing this because we want to show that whatever the opinion or the jurisprudence, the predominant opinion of what the First Amendment is, it's it's certainly not what it what it was, which was, you know, the founding fathers weren't sitting around saying the First Amendment is the founding fathers weren't sitting around saying the First Amendment is going to give, you know, Larry Flint the ability to distribute pornography, you know, under freedom of speech and that sort of
And contrast that, if you just comment briefly on that compared to the blasphemy laws that I think we still have in this country, which Michael Cassidy knocks down the statue up in Iowa, the satanic statue, and he gets charged under a hate crime law.
They want to know, well, what was your frame of mind when you did the mischief, the misdemeanor of vandalism or whatever?
And so to me, we still have blasphemy laws on the books.
They're just not Christian blasphemy laws.
Yeah, this is what I try to tell people, is that Christians will participate in suppressing things publicly that they don't like.
And even things that are not even about the laws, like not even made illegal or against the law.
Like you're perfectly free legally to be an outward racist.
But you can't, it comes with a high social cost.
And Christians participate in suppressing racism Through various means.
I mean, sometimes I use the example of if you look at a bookstore downtown, a used bookstore, and you see it has a rainbow flag that's flying outside the used bookstore, Christians will say, well, I want to go to a used bookstore.
I guess I'll go in there, even though I like the flag.
If it had a Confederate flag hanging out off of the used bookstore, most likely Christians would say, I'm not going to that.
That's horrible.
Those people are racist.
So it's just an example of where there's two things you both don't like, but one of those things you're willing to tolerate, the other thing you're not.
And so Christians do participate in this thing.
And what I'm proposing is...
Maybe we don't need blasphemy laws themselves.
Maybe what we need is Christians to say, wait, the belief in God is the foundation of God.
A happy, well-governed society.
And that's been recognized throughout the entire Christian tradition, the Western tradition.
Only until very recently was it believed that you could be an atheist and be a good citizen, to be a trustworthy politician or statesman.
It was always affirmed that you should believe in God.
And yet now, our biggest fear is that someone has a thought along ethnic lines rather than someone affirms God.
And so...
Well, yeah, so I think that even if you don't want laws, why not, if you think some ideas are harmful to society, why don't we apply that same thing to people who are atheists?
And by the way, the data of what atheists believe is actually pretty bad.
So it's actually, there's good evidence to suggest that some of the worst tendencies in our society today are the super majority of atheists affirm those.
So it's probably a good idea that if you're going to want to suppress beliefs that lead to bad social and political outcomes, then you'd want to suppress atheism.
Now, there are exceptions to that, of course.
But in general, you know, so...
That's all I'm asking.
But yeah, in terms of blasphemy laws themselves, I do think those are perfectly legitimate, especially at the state and local levels.
And that's to secure for society.
We want to normalize the belief in God, not only to encourage people to have true faith in God through Christ, but also because it'll be a better society if they affirm the being of a God.
So that's...
Stephen, Wolf, really appreciate your time.
Thank you so much for having this just open-ended discussion.
We've had you on for almost 40 minutes, and it's been enlightening.
I'd love to do it again sometime and just continue this debate going, you know, and hopefully we can wake as many people up as we need.
So your book is The Case for Christian Nationalism.
People can get it on Amazon, I assume?
Yes, yes, or CanonPress.com, I believe, yeah.
All right.
Stephen, thank you so much, sir, and have a great weekend.
Yeah, thank you.
Folks, we're going to take a break.
I guess yesterday, Stu Peters sat down with Candace Taylor, and they talked about this guy who made skid marks on a rainbow crosswalk in his truck, and now he's been charged by these officials down there that have rainbow flags on their police cars.
They've been charged with, I guess, vandalizing a gay mural, a rainbow mural.
So we're going to talk about that.
When we come back, I'm sorry, while we go to break, and when we come back, we're going to talk about abolition rising and what's going on in the state of Oklahoma.
Oklahoma, don't go anywhere.
Do you hear him in the background?
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
You know, it's obvious what this is.
This is just behavior modification.
More forced acceptance of perverse lifestyles from a bloated local government.
These local governments are run like little fiefdoms where the local political machine taking orders from their bosses and the national parties and the PACs that they get their money from force the very same perverted anti-human agenda down the throats of their community that the World Economic Forum and the Federal Reserve and the Uniparty are pushing at the national and global level.
That's what it is.
They say that all politics are local and the gay lobby's war on America is a prime example of it.
Our streets have been saturated with degenerate flags.
Entire cities are shut down so that men in high heels and women who've chopped their breasts off can come in and strip in the streets and have public gay orgies that they pawn off as parades, oftentimes with the mayor, with the city council, with the cops, even with the governor in some states marching right next to them.
And it's getting even more disgusting as they've given this access to children at these events.
These perverts are having kids delivered to them on the rainbow-colored streets.
And anyone who doesn't like it faces criminal charges.
They face jail time.
Local police departments are being used by psychotic homosexuals in local governments to ideologically rape the rest of America into not just accepting their lifestyles, but promoting them.
Not just accepting and promoting, but funding them and making them a part of their daily lives.
And how much were these charges influenced by the Trump flag that Dylan was flying on the back of his truck?
That likely made him a target for deranged leftists and queers who come to the brink of busting into flames every time they hear Trump's name or see a gas-powered vehicle.
That Trump flag and that jacked-up truck were a one-two punch that they just couldn't handle.
And when their precious pride flag became involved, it really sent them over the edge.
Oh, you know, Candace Taylor is here to talk about this, but one more thing about that footage before we bring her in.
Why does a pride flag intersection have better security cameras than the DNC headquarters that were supposedly pipe bombed, or were supposed to be?
Law enforcement could track down Dylan Brewer and charge him for driving on a painted stretch of road, but they can't hunt down the supposed DNC pipe bomber.
It's like the street was painted rainbow and the cameras were set up for the specific purpose of charging motorists with not supporting this degeneracy.
It's disgusting.
Candace Taylor, as promised, is here with us now.
Good friend, former gubernatorial candidate in Georgia.
You're doing big things in Georgia still.
This guy didn't do anything dangerous.
He didn't hurt anybody.
He's a kid, I mean, who supports President Trump and doesn't support homosexuality and the molestation of children.
Yeah, well, my problem is, why does communities get to take over taxpayer streets with this trash?
It happens in Atlanta.
In fact, I had explained to my six-year-old in Atlanta, gave pride to the street.
He was like, Mama, there's a rainbow.
Why does this street have a rainbow?
Well, maybe it represents Skittles.
They like candy here.
It's like Willy Wonka.
Well, why are they dressed?
I mean, people on the street dress, transgenders, drag queens on the street.
And I'm wanting to literally cover his face.
I said, baby, they must be having a circus here this week.
I don't know what's going on.
Because my son is six years old.
He doesn't understand sexuality and gay and preference.
And he shouldn't have to.
That's my number one concern with this.
Why are these streets painted with taxpayer money that built them?
Why are they allowed to be painted?
That should be vandalism.
Yeah.
Without your permission, just like they spend every other dollar.
And we're funding our own demise.
By the way, just as a side note, StuPeters.com, watch Slave Nation.
This is how to get out of this.
Real remedy.
Moving the ball.
No more funding our own demise.
Bioweapons and forever wars from the Jewish lobby that basically runs our entire government.
And they run this as well, don't they?
Yes, they run this, 100%.
They're controlling everything.
I have a Republican governor that just got back from Davos for the second time.
We're having a new EV plant put in middle Georgia now.
Oh, and get this, we also have a monkey farm.
33,000 monkeys, 500 million dollars In southwest Georgia, why would we have a monkey farm for pharmaceutical research?
Wasn't that what COVID got released through in China?
This is the insanity of Republican governors.
This is what's going on all over our nation.
And then we paint our streets rainbow and celebrate that.
And someone who goes over it and they're thinking, this is ridiculous.
A road gets tire marks.
That's what happens.
It's a street.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
Milston Report here.
I really want to thank Stephen Wolf for giving us that much time.
If you missed that segment, you can watch it on the rerun.
During this live broadcast, you can rewind.
If you want to check it out, the author of The Case for Christian Nationalism talking about, I don't know, just the idea of that word, that phrase being a boogeyman, and how even though there are people pushing back against it, it's still gaining traction, and you don't have to label it anything you want.
Again, if you believe in Jesus and if you vote, the left is going to consider you a threat to their power.
Period.
Full stop.
End of sentence.
What's going on with the folks over in Oklahoma?
Well, Ben Zeisloff has this report.
It's very good.
Oklahoma Republican State Representative Marcus McIntyre said in this abolition rising video, these are the people that want, they don't want abortion to be regulated.
They want it to be abolished and criminalized.
To be clear, that's what they want.
That's what I want.
All of these little exceptions, and it's like if you look at a baby on an ultrasound, you know, This is just, come on.
I mean, we don't want to murder children, right?
Now, you actually have up in Idaho, and this is going to be coming up on the Stu Peter Show here in just a minute, Idaho is now proposing to execute pedophiles, right?
So if you execute pedophiles, why can't you put up a death penalty for rapists?
All rape.
How about it?
Obviously, if it's definitively proven and not some Me Too nonsense, right?
I know there would have to be standards of different proof and that sort of thing.
But anyway, so a guy by the name of Russell Hunter goes into a state representative.
His name is Marcus McIntyre and decides to ask him about, hey, why can't we just end abortion?
And what results is a fascinating exchange.
Absolutely fascinating exchange.
And we have it here for you on the Millstone Report, courtesy of Abolitionists Rising.
I'm just asking you if you would consider supporting a bill to abolish abortion in Oklahoma.
No, I will not support a bill for abolishing abortion in Oklahoma.
Do you believe that people should have the liberty to make their own decisions?
I was you at one point.
What happened?
Marcus McIntyre in 204.
He's the House author of the bill to bring rape exceptions back in.
This is him right here?
This is him right here.
Is this him talking to him?
Is it two hims talking to each other?
It is.
Can I hear us?
Yeah.
You just did.
Oh, hold on.
Let me come back in.
I'm Marcus.
Who are you?
Hi.
I'm Russell Hunter.
I'm an abolitionist.
I do not live in your district.
I am from Norman.
But I have friends all over.
You just didn't hear the story.
I was telling them about how we voted against abortion bill.
My very first vote in the House.
Against an abortion bill?
Yeah.
It didn't do anything.
Yeah.
So you want to vote for one that does something?
Well, if you're going to vote for one, do something that does something and not just something that's manufactured for political gain.
Oh, so like...
Just for reference, I can already tell.
I'm sorry.
Stereotypes exist because they get reinforced every single day.
I've covered politics at a state level for a very long time.
In my past, running around the Capitol in Little Rock, Arkansas, and I can just tell you that this guy, Is a dime a dozen.
Politicians like this are a dime.
Especially the local ones.
The state level ones.
I'm telling you.
I've seen a million of these guys.
That does something.
That does something that actually will do something.
Like criminalize the act of abortion.
That bill did not do that.
What do you think about a bill that does that?
Basically it was a bill that said you can't abort a child with a genetic abnormality.
Then just abort a child and say for whatever.
What the author was trying to do was he was trying to protect down syndrome babies.
If that's the case then say that because there are other genetic abnormalities where the baby can't survive.
Sure.
I don't want to get in an argument.
No, I'm with you on that.
Because I think someone could just come in and say, they have a Down syndrome baby, and they say, I'm not aborting this baby because they have Down syndrome.
I'm aborting this baby because I want to have an abortion.
And that's the way around it.
It was a ill thought bill.
Is there a way for you to possibly either sponsor or...
Dusty Deaver's bill across the...
No.
You wouldn't?
I actually ran the bill with Daniels last year for exceptions.
Hey, I got a question about your bill.
My bill?
Yeah, with Daniels bill, SB 834.
It puts in exceptions for rape and incest.
Try to stave off a much worse result.
So you want to open the abortion clinics back up in Oklahoma?
No.
Yeah, so look at this right here.
I mean, Marcus McIntyre is running HB 1656, the House version of a rape and incest exceptions bill.
Rape and incest exceptions bill endorsed by Oklahomans for Life.
Again, so this is...
The idea here is you've got pro-life organizations that are now fighting abortion abolitionists.
It's actually quite fascinating.
What we are in the middle of witnessing...
The pro-life movement that has been so successful, I mean, that's an arguable point, but has been, hey, we want less abortions, we want to save as many kids as we can, more like a triage thing.
We're now watching the narrative shift where pro-lifers are becoming pro-choice juxtaposed to the abolitionists.
It is fascinating to see.
And, okay, so this is another thing.
So right now, in case you're not getting it, right now, abortion clinics have closed all over Christian red states.
All over.
They've shut down, right?
They've closed.
And so they're saying, well, if we start to say, hey, but you can have an abortion with these exceptions, it's going to allow them to reopen, right?
Unbelievable.
All these people saying for years they wanted Roe vs.
Wade overturned, and now that it's overturned, they're fighting those of us who don't just want to win the battle, but we want to win the war.
What was that, Bill?
I know the SB 834.
I think I'm on camera here.
You are on camera, but...
Yeah, no.
So you don't want to talk on the record...
Look, I will talk on the record on anything, but I'm not going to be here and be caught off guard without an appointment or anything like that where I haven't had time.
You have the choice.
You have the choice.
I'm just asking you if you would consider supporting a bill to abolish abortion in Oklahoma.
No, I will not support a bill for abolishing abortion in Oklahoma.
Okay.
I mean, if that's your view, it's okay.
This is not the role of government to get involved with a private decision that is...
That is absolutely gut-wrenching to make.
So, this guy is supposedly pro-life.
And he sounds exactly like a pro-abortion, pro-choice lefty from the mid-2000s.
Those roses, I don't know if you can see those roses right there in the background.
Those roses were actually there because he was just honored as a pro-lifer.
That's why those roses are on.
So, this video is making the rounds highlighting...
Where the new battle lines are.
And they have been drawn and they are, you know, unmistakable.
You can't unsee what you're seeing now.
You're in that position.
Are you accepting roses today for being pro-life?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Now, you...
I know there's a difference between pro-lifers and abolitionists.
Absolutely.
I know.
I'm not saying...
See, I don't think you have to be ashamed.
I'm not ashamed.
I think it's fine for you to be like, I am a pro-lifer, which means I will not abolish abortion in Oklahoma.
I'm not trying to get you on that.
Okay.
I don't know you, so I don't know what you're trying to do.
Because some pro-lifers might be like, no, I think abortion's murder.
I don't want people doing it.
I do think the role of...
I do.
But do you think the role of the government should be to stop barbaric things?
That depends.
Well, like if a mother strangles her newborn into death, should that be stopped?
Do you believe that people should have the liberty to make their own decisions?
I think you would say yes.
Yes, except for whenever it violates somebody else's life, liberty, or property.
But that's between them and their God.
We literally just spent the first 40 minutes of this broadcast on the Milstone Report talking about the rotten fruits of Republican secularism, the rotten fruits of a live-and-let-live mentality.
If you missed it, I would encourage you to go back and watch.
Our special guest was Stephen Wolf, who's the author of a book called The Case for Christian Nationalism.
And this ties in perfectly with our almost 40-minute discussion.
That's between them and their God.
Really?
I mean, that's true.
It certainly is.
But the idea that the state has no say in whether or not its citizens are murdered, whether or not the life of a child, and it can't be criminalized, you can't do anything about it, is preposterous.
And the only reason that we're here now is because we have the technology to do this.
We have the technology to genocide babies in a very efficient way.
It does.
I'm for free choices, but if it's like the choice to rape, the choice to enslave...
We agree.
We agree that we're pro-life.
I'm just not an abolitionist.
No, I'm not pro-life.
You're an abolitionist.
I'm pro-life.
Yeah, but I'm not saying that as like a tribal thing, but as an actual different thing.
I'm saying the role of the government would be to actually...
Do you think that there should be laws against murder in general in Oklahoma?
Yes.
Because you said abortion is barbaric.
Dude, I know what you're trying to do and you're trying to...
It's just looking for consistency.
If abortion is barbaric...
Quit asking me questions and let's just discuss.
Okay, go for it.
That's the only thing I want to know.
You've approached me.
Then the one question is...
This is a very tough issue.
It divides Republican Party.
It divides people.
And I am looking for a solution.
I represent a wide variety of people within my district.
And I have to make decisions based on how I represent them.
Or how they want to be represented.
What if they all want?
Completely legal abortion?
No, they don't.
Nobody wants that.
I'm just saying if you say you have to represent them, if they all want that, do you have to do what they want?
I would, if they all wanted it.
If a majority of them wanted the abolition of abortion, I would vote for the abolition of abortion.
But a majority of my...
They're probably pro-lifers and they probably don't want the abolition of abortion.
They don't.
They want the option.
And they probably want it because, you know, God forbid their 12-year-old daughter get pregnant or 13-year-old.
Yeah, I mean, I agree with you.
I think pro-lifers are essentially pro-choicers.
I would say the way that you are, where you're coming from, you would have to say that to be consistent.
I mean, not for you.
Well, to keep it legal.
Pro-lifers and pro-choicers agree with each other that abortion shouldn't be criminalized.
Like in a Venn diagram, pro-lifers and pro-choicers don't agree on a whole lot, but pro-lifers and pro-choicers are both 100% against abolishing abortion.
I mean, you coming from an abolitionist point of view, you are definitely going to see me as a pro-choicer.
Yeah.
Well, no, I'm going to see you as a pro-lifer.
Really?
That's interesting.
That's interesting.
You're a pro-lifer.
Because if I allow any exception at all, then I'm not abolitionist.
No, you're a pro-lifer, you're not an abolitionist.
So you're a pro-lifer, by which I mean you're someone who doesn't like abortion, thinks it's barbaric, maybe even thinks it's murder, but thinks that the government shouldn't stop it.
That's a pro-life position.
That's my pro-life position.
Yeah, because like, I mean, it's not a trick.
It's like, it's a...
Yeah.
It's always great when you have citizen journalists or actual, you know, just journalists that ferret out these politicians and get them to confess with their mouths what they really believe in their hearts.
Because here's the deal.
When that happens, this guy will have a primary opponent in all likelihood.
I don't know what the makeup of his district is.
I don't know if he'll lose or win or whatever.
But the bottom line is it's stuff like this that primaries are made of, and primaries can still be effective at the local level, even though we don't have a lot of faith in our elections at the national level.
But anyway, back to this Ben Zieseloff thing.
This is what he says.
That video was 12 minutes long.
We covered about half of it, so feel free to seek it out online.
In other words, he says, when you donate to and volunteer with the pro-life movement, you are supporting reprehensible cowards like this to stand in the way of men like Dusty Devers and T. Russell Hunter, who actually wants to...
That's the guy that was in the video, Russell Hunter.
Who wants to see abortion abolished?
In other words, you're buying into a scam with the time, talent, and treasure God has entrusted to you for the purpose of loving your neighbor.
The pro-life establishment organizations in our nation do not want abortion abolished.
They're not even meaningfully opposing abortion.
You're being played.
Come to grips with the reality and act accordingly.
That is exactly the right and the truth.
Alright, that's all the time that we have for today coming up on the program, folks, here at the Stu Peters Show.
It's coming up next here in a couple of minutes.
You're going to want to click out of this Rumble video to go on to Stu's Rumble video on the Stu Peters Network.
Isabella Maria DeLuca is going to be on with Stu, talking about more of this satanic He Gets Us Christian campaign, this anti-Christian propaganda is what it really is.
Also, David J. Riley going to be talking about what I mentioned earlier, this Idaho bill.
In the state of Idaho, they have a bill that is going to essentially mean the death penalty for pedophiles.
They're going to execute pedophiles in the state of Idaho if the bill...
It's passed one chamber.
I think the House there, it's got to pass the Senate.
And who knows what the governor of Idaho will do.
But all of that and more coming up next on the Stu Peters Show.
My name is Paul Harrell.
Thank you so much for being with us.
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