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Feb. 10, 2024 - Stew Peters Show
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JESUS. GUNS. AND BABIES. w/ Dr. Kandiss Taylor ft Zemmie Fleck
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Hey, everybody.
Welcome to Jesus Guns and Babies.
I'm your host, Dr.
Candice Taylor.
I have a wonderful show for today.
We're going to start with my guest, one of her favorite verses, or one that's fitting for this conversation, she said.
It's Ephesians 2, 8 through 10.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not of yourselves.
It is the gift of God, not as a result of works, but so that no man may boast.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand to So that we would walk in them.
I have that memorized, but I have a different version memorized.
Anyway, so thank you so much for coming on Jesus Guns and Babies.
We'll welcome the Executive Director of Georgia Right to Life, Ms.
Demi Fleck.
Welcome to Jesus Guns and Babies, Demi.
Thank you, and I appreciate so much the opportunity that you've allowed me.
Yes.
Well, thank you for coming.
We're going to have a wonderful show with Jesus, Guns, and Babies.
So today's going to be about babies.
And I'm so excited.
I love that so much.
And I know that, you know, we have Child Abuse Prevention coming up.
And we also have Georgia Right to Life Month coming up, right?
Y'all call it abortion prevention, I think, or what do you call it?
Well, we have not so much a month, but we have some legislation that we'll be talking about with you that's going through our legislative process right now in the state of Georgia.
Okay, and so it's trying to be supervision month for the schools.
That's what's in my brain.
Okay, okay.
And we do, as an overall pro-life month, For January, they call it Sanctity of Human Life Month.
Okay.
And so maybe that's what you're referring to.
Yeah.
So we're coming off that into the child abuse prevention.
So I'm thinking about that.
But I do want to talk about, let's start back because I want my viewers to kind of know who you are and how you got involved in this movement and why it means something to you.
And so if you will, if you'll just tell us a little bit about yourself and why you're passionate about saving babies and what you do.
Absolutely.
Well, I have the wonderful privilege of, again, serving as the Executive Director of Georgia Right to Life.
I started this adventure, we'll call it, in late 2015.
So I've been here a little bit over eight years now.
What the Lord really shows me day in and day out is truly that We must be on the front lines to protect life in every way.
Because life, not just for the pre-born child, but life across the span and spectrum is under assault.
And Georgia Right to Life, our mission and vision statement is particular to the organization, is That we are going to work and put every effort into not just the legal protection of human life, but we are also going to restore respect for human life as well.
And that is including all innocent human life beginning at fertilization and going until natural death.
And so that covers a huge spectrum of issues that we deal with.
And on the periphery, as you say about the Child Abuse Awareness Month, that's on the periphery of what we do, but that does work right into the valuing of human life and the protection of human life.
Even on that level.
So there are lots of things that we get involved with at Georgia Right to Life in regards to the issues themselves.
But how I got involved, I have a history of running in circles with people who are very close to this issue, as well as people who are in the church.
And I did work prior to My ministry here at Georgia Right to Life, I worked in church ministry for 17 years in administration and just various roles in the church, actually, in that length of time.
But I will say my Christianity, that I was raised with and that has been with me all my life.
The Lord Jesus has just opened doors for me to different ministries and to understand, particularly at this point in my life, what this ministry means about saving lives.
There's a lot to be said because I feel like this is such a spiritual warfare that we are in and anyone who is working in this realm of ministry is going to see just exactly how much we are waging war spiritually for the lives of the pre
-born child to the one who is taking their last breaths Of life.
So, God's just always...
I've always tried to follow His Word and understand His Word in every way and everything that pertains to life because, you know, what we believe spiritually affects every aspect of our worldview.
And you can't separate those things.
But also, I'll tell on the personal side, I will just kind of Give a little bit of insight into my own personal story, and that is that when I was five months old, I was adopted.
I was adopted along with four older siblings.
We were all taken to the same home by the same wonderful adoptive parents that I had the privilege of knowing.
I certainly didn't know either of my biological parents because my mother died when I was five months old, and my father just was not in the home life,
so to speak, so I did not know him either, but God just picked me up out of a situation where there had been a lot of really destitute Um, living and, um, some, some very sad circumstances.
And he kind of picked me up out of that as a young child, not even having the, the knowledge of everything that my older siblings had ever faced.
And so I have to say, you know, you talk about the, the scripture passage in Ephesians there and that, um, His grace is what brings us along and that there is nothing of ourselves that we can boast in because I am no different from any other creature that he created,
any of his other human beings that he has created, but he has bestowed so much marvelous grace upon my life and has given me just the blessing again of Being where I'm at in this ministry.
So all I can do is do his work.
You have an awesome testimony.
So that's where your passion comes from, knowing that you were rescued and you were afforded opportunity for a wonderful life.
And so that's awesome.
Thank you so much for sharing your testimony, Zemi.
I appreciate that.
So whenever you're working in a Georgia Right to Life, I know, I mean, a lot of my viewers will know what that means.
I was endorsed by them when I ran for governor.
A lot of my viewers will know, but some people may not know, and they'll know like, okay, well, they're against abortion.
They want to save babies.
But could you kind of go into how it's set up and kind of the different leaders you have across the state and what they do?
And I know about, you know, some of the different projects they work on.
Some of them have a house where they help, you know, rescue girls that need help and educate them and help them either with You know, keeping the baby either themselves or through adoption and that kind of thing.
But if you just kind of walk them through, because I know there's so many facets of Georgia Right to Life, because I want people to see this and want to get involved, especially if they're passionate about life and saving.
And, you know, it will cause a lot of fundraising and it requires a lot of, you know, free volunteer hours.
And so if you could just kind of go into how it's structured.
Sure.
The structure of our organization is such that we do have a president, vice president, and secretary and treasurer.
So we have our officers of our board.
Our board is a little bit unique because we have currently around 26 active chapters around the state and those People who lead those chapters, they actually serve as our board members.
And then our board is actually the ones who bring down any policy, obviously, as a board would normally function.
The president and I work very, very closely together to To make things happen and to carry out what the board is asking us to do.
Our jobs at the state office level, where I am, consist of myself and our communications lead, our financial development Director, our chapter development director.
I have a project coordinator.
We are currently looking for an education coordinator.
One thing I'll say about Georgia Right to Life, which is very critical to me when we talk about the life issue, so many people say, oh, well, so that's political.
You know, a lot of churches we try to go to and speak, they, well, that's a political issue.
We're not going to deal with it.
And so, no, we don't want you to come talk about it.
But it is not a political issue.
It is a spiritual issue.
It is a moral issue.
And so I think it's very critical for us.
I want to stop you out there because I deal with that a lot.
So I deal, when I was running for office and I would talk about life, I would deal with the churches pushing back.
And I'm like, this is not a political issue.
So you can say that guns are because that's our Second Amendment, right?
But whenever you're talking about life, That is totally biblical.
And as a Christian and a pastor, how can you say that's a political?
It's been politicized because people want to murder babies.
People want to murder babies and they're sick and they're twisted and they're demonic and they're Luciferian and they get off on that.
And we got, you know, Baal and Moloch and demons literally that want to kill our children.
And so when we call it out in the church, which is what we should be doing, Then, of course, Lucifer and his minions don't like it.
And people who are brainwashed with the media, they say, oh, it's a political issue.
You'll lose your tax exempt status.
Don't talk about it.
And what I found out to be true was when Roe was overturned is churches refused to address it from the pulpit.
And I had friends who left their churches because their pastors refused.
And when they went to them and asked, they said, well, we don't want to offend anybody.
I'm going to sneeze.
Excuse me.
We don't want to offend anybody who may have had an abortion.
Are you kidding me?
If you had an abortion, you are traumatized.
I know because I had two very best friends who had an abortion and they are traumatized to this day.
They regret it.
They, you know, can't wait to get to heaven one day to see their babies that are there.
They were children, you know, young, young teenage girls shouldn't have had it.
And, you know, it's traumatic.
It's not to condemn anybody.
How can the Lord heal you as a Christian if you don't repent and you admit, hey, I did wrong and I need healing from this and we're all imperfect.
How we become more like Christ is to admit fault and repent.
So the whole...
The Bible, the Word of God right here behind me.
Like, how can you say we can't talk about this?
And so I'm so glad you said that.
And I didn't even think about that before we came on here.
But that is something that has been so strong in my campaign.
And then just every time I talk to pastors, even in life now, because Jesus Guns and Babies is what I stand for.
It's like, oh, well, that's political.
No, it's not.
Right.
Right.
Yes.
It has sadly become politicized.
Again, I fully, truly believe that it is a spiritual issue.
Here's the sad thing that I think of.
And like you say, this kind of goes along with your situation where you're talking about people being in church and the impact that the abortion has had on them.
Whenever that took place and however it took place because there are lots of different ways that people find themselves in an abortion mill to have an abortion.
But here's the sad thing to me.
The church as a whole, and I'm not talking about every single church because there are churches who are doing a wonderful job to Give the message of salvation and the gospel and forgiveness and just life in Christ and how it sets you free from the sin of the past.
But to me, the church as a whole has lost the opportunity.
They are losing the opportunity to give the light And the hope that comes from the gospel of Jesus Christ, they are losing that opportunity because they are not speaking to these issues where people have lost complete hope.
Post-traumatic stress disorder that happens with women who have had abortions.
I mean, we just recently, last Friday, had our annual Stand for Life And had the testimony of a lady who 28 years ago had an abortion and she ended up the next day almost dying from alcohol poisoning the day after she had her abortion.
And she said, you know, I'm thanking the security guard in the bar who picked me up off the bathroom floor and took me and got me help.
And so Nobody wants to talk about that.
Nobody wants to face this situation.
God's word says rescue the perishing.
Well, these are the perishing people out here.
And they need the church.
They need the gospel of Jesus Christ to be spoken into their lives so that they can understand and have the hope that you and I have as Christians.
And it's the only hope.
I mean, during our past pandemic, if we want to call it that, people lost hope.
They lost hope in their finances.
They lost hope in their jobs.
They lost hope.
Because their hope was in the wrong thing.
So again, I just feel like the church has lost out.
It's lost its opportunity because what is the church?
But it's supposed to be the light and the salt of the world.
Well, you know, murder is unnatural.
It's not a natural thing.
And if you're committing murder against a baby who is half of you, right, that baby, I don't care if you were raped, I don't care what happened, the baby is half of your flesh, and you commit murder against your child and yourself, that takes something from you, okay?
So they can act like it's no big deal, and it's my choice, and it's, you know, it's like a birth control, you know, it's inconvenient.
So for me to be more, you know, it's responsible because I'm going to college or because I'm working a career.
I'm not ready for a baby.
I can't afford a baby.
It's not fair to the baby.
I'm not married or I was raped and I, you know, the trauma from the rape.
Okay.
So you're talking about trauma to be raped and then have an abortion right after.
When you're looking at trauma, trauma can be acute.
It can be repetitive.
It can be chronic.
And it can be compounded, right?
And so complex trauma is whenever there are nobody around to help you.
So abortion is done in secret so often.
You know, it's not like you're in the military and you get shot Or you shoot somebody and you've got your fellow soldiers who you can identify with and they can help you come alongside you.
It's not like a domestic violence situation where you have siblings that you can talk to and hide the closet or your mama comes and comforts you after your daddy beats the crap out of you.
It's not like that.
Abortion, many times, I would venture to say most of the time, is done alone.
It's very individualized.
You go, you do this to your own body and to your child.
You commit murder.
You go back.
You don't want anybody to know it's shameful.
You don't want to talk about it.
So it becomes this complex trauma that That is detrimental because you have no relationship around you to have a comfort and have somebody to talk to and have you process this to get through it emotionally.
So it compounds the trauma.
And that is when you get suicides, suicidal attempts, severe depression, multiple abortions because you get into this pattern of, you know what, like I already had one.
I mean, I might as well have another.
I might as well have another.
I mean, I might as well...
And not caring about your body and very promiscuous behavior where you're just having sex with everybody and you have no respect for yourself and you hate yourself.
You hate your body and so you just don't care because it's not like you're trying to get pregnant or you're trying to kill another baby.
It's just like you hate yourself for what you're doing and you perpetuate this cycle and it's so spiritual.
It's so demonic.
And because Lucifer wants to kill you, he wants us dead.
He hates us.
He can't be us.
He can't be human.
He was an angel.
He can't be us.
We were created in the image of God.
He hates us.
He wants us to hate our babies.
He wants us to kill the human race any way possible.
What better way to kill in the womb before we're ever created and get to do wonderful things for the kingdom of God?
And so it is so, for me as a counselor, I have a PhD in counseling.
I don't know if you know that.
But for me as a counselor, it is so horrible to me, just horrific to think about the amount of trauma that women put on themselves.
And then, you know, you have men too who don't want the girlfriend to have an abortion or their wife or whoever, and they're dealing with their own trauma as well.
Absolutely.
And grandparents that even may go pay for the abortion, but then they feel the trauma later.
Yeah, I mean, I have children, I have grandchildren, now I have one great-grandson that was born in late December.
You know, we read in scripture, we talk about generations of To me, the abortion issue particularly is very sad because, again, we're wiping out the next generations.
We're wiping out the young people who we have relied on to come into the workforce and to be a part of a productive America and a productive state.
You know, my question is because, you know, we get into these political discussions with people and they, oh yeah, you know, Zimmy, I'm all against abortion.
I don't think it should happen.
I don't think it, you know, but we got to keep it legal.
We got to keep it legal.
You know, it is a woman's right to have an abortion.
But my question is, okay, So what are you going to do when your society doesn't have enough people to sustain it?
What are you going to do?
I mean, let's just start with some tax money that you're not going to have.
So you're not going to be able to run your government like you want to because you're not going to have people paying taxes.
You're wiping out your population.
But they are doing it.
Well, speaking of that, the black population and the amount of abortions that they're pushing on black women who don't have enough money and the man's not in the house and it's getting stereotypical.
It's plum racist.
And I'm going to tell you what.
I have friends who identify as a Democrat, but they totally agree with me that their race is being targeted and being canceled and killed.
Purposefully.
It's purposeful.
And so they're not producing children.
They're not.
And their percentages are going down every single census count because in correlation with white and especially with immigrants and Hispanics, because of the amount of people with the border open and they have way more children.
And so it's a true problem of a race surviving because of the amount of children we're aborting.
Right.
And yes, so with the Black population, we can look at the numbers from the Georgia Department of Public Health that they give every year.
They classify it as intentional termination of pregnancy.
It is on the DPH website.
You can get this information, but it trends that there is about 63 to 66 percent of Black children in the state of Georgia who are aborted.
The total amount of abortions in Georgia.
Back to one other thing that you were talking about for a minute.
When you were talking about women being alone when they have their abortions, you know, here's where we're at.
Because chemical abortion has become like the thing, we'll call it.
Explain what that is to me.
Explain chemical abortion to people who may not die.
Okay.
So, chemical abortion is...
I believe that the regulations will allow it up to seven weeks.
It was ten weeks when it first was...
It first began in 2000, actually, as a method of abortion.
And it was very much fast-tracked through the FDA. There was not a lot of research.
There was not a lot of time to look into, you know, long-term effects, what effects it would have.
And so it was fast-tracked in 2000.
And now, Almost 54% of the abortions that are committed are committed through chemical abortion.
Chemical abortion is also the abortion pill.
People probably more recognize it with that terminology, but is basically a regimen of two pills.
And one is mifepristone, which has been recently in the News with the Supreme Court who is making some decisions on Mifepristone and probably will be forthcoming with a decision before June of this year on some things with it.
But Mifepristone actually is the first pill that you take and it will actually remove all of the All of the nutrition and the hydration from the child in the womb and basically it kills the child at that point.
Within the next 48 hours you take the second pill which is a pill called misopristol which it actually Causes contractions and causes you to expel the child from the womb.
So it is a two-step process, but this is being done In the privacy of people's homes.
They don't have to go anywhere.
Who thinks this is okay?
Who in a rational mind thinks that this is okay and they think that that's not murder?
Who?
Like you're having to take something to starve a child, deplete them of their nutrition, basically suffocate them, gas chamber them out.
Now y'all worried about the Nazis and I get called a Nazi often because I'm a Christian Republican.
It's crazy but we're Literally acting like a Nazi.
You're taking a gas chamber to an innocent, most fragile, most delicate human life.
And you are gas chambered it out.
And then you're going to force your body to contract and abort it.
That is murder.
But see...
They know there's a problem there because there's women who have not been able to fully expel the child from the womb and they end up in the hospital.
We have a lot of controversy on the fact that there's women who bleed to death.
On the bathroom floor, you know, I can't even imagine the trauma that comes because, you know, again, but everything is encased in a lie.
Everything, every bit of it is encased in lies.
You know, you've got Planned Parenthood who says, well, you know, you're not ready.
To have this child.
You know, you want to finish college.
Let me tell you something.
This was in a report that I read recently from an organization called Guttmacher Institute, and they are actually a pro-abortion institute.
But this is, they send out This information through Charlotte Lozier Institute, which is a very reliable source for us.
But one of the things that they had to say in that report was that in the Georgia statistics that 84% of the abortions committed That are reported.
84% of those were by a woman who had at least a bachelor's degree, if not higher education.
8% happened for women who had less than a 12th grade education.
Okay, so let's think about that for a minute because what is it that Planned Parenthood markets abortion?
Who is it that they market it to?
They market it to people who are supposedly, you know, lower education, they're poor, they, you know, they've got all these things stacked against them, 80 plus percent.
Higher education than high school.
It's so ridiculous.
So educated women are having abortions because they don't want to be inconvenienced.
It's a convenience thing.
It's all about that.
But you see women, how people are bleeding to death on their bathroom floor because that's what happens when you open yourself at the sin.
One sin takes you to another sin to another sin and the enemy hates you.
And so it's just like anything, whatever the sin is, The devil will take you farther than you want to go.
He will take you deeper in that than you want to go.
Always.
You can look at the distance and he's going to take you there.
And so in this situation with abortion, Something that, a pill that should make you contract and have a period, basically, to clean your womb and slough it off, is causing you to bleed to death.
Because you've opened yourself up to murder, murder, one of the Ten Commandments, thou shalt not kill, so you don't think the enemy is going to use that as an open door to attack your body?
That's what's happening.
Like, there's nothing that's going to change that.
Every single time you go for an abortion, your chance of never to have a baby again and death from yourself.
Every single time.
Every time.
And there's not anybody that can save you from it.
Right.
Right.
So it's a very dangerous situation that we're put in medically, if we want to say medically at all.
But...
Because we do not, you know, some people say that it's medical abortion, but we do not use that term because, you know, for us, the practice of medicine is something that is to save life, and this obviously does not.
But it becomes medical because the mother can die.
Right?
It becomes medical because, and you know, like they talk, well, they say assisted suicide, like medical suicide when they're trying to kill somebody who they say is brain dead or whatever.
Like we should never be playing God.
We should never be trying to kill.
We were created to live forever in Eden.
And so our bodies had to learn how to die.
And that's why you see people in hospice who, you know, go for a long time or they're given morphine and they're in so much pain with cancer.
And even watching those last, I watched my grandfather, you know, die at the end.
And it was like, He was in so much pain, and you think, I don't want him to go, but then I don't want him in pain.
But our body fights to live.
Like, we're created to live forever.
And so it's so unnatural, Zemi.
Like, it's so unnatural to die that, of course, it's painful.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Another thing that actually I just found this out not too long ago and it was really cool to me is something that I mention a lot to people because I think it's very significant and something we need to think about is that when a mother is pregnant, her child is actually defending her many times.
If she has some type of injury or trauma to her body, The baby actually will send its own cells to the rescue and to fight whatever trauma or infection or something.
I think that's really something that's very neat to think about because that child is actually fighting for the mother as well.
Medical development for us has come so far.
We see the reports of I deal with this with life of the mother exceptions in legislation.
First of all, I'll say there's two patients that you have there.
One is the mother and one is the child.
Both of them should be treated as long and as well as possible to protect their life.
Here's something that's also very significant that I like to say to people and make sure that they understand it in their mind.
When someone dies naturally, they are dying naturally.
Abortion is the intentional taking of a life.
It is intentional.
With every abortion, There is going to be a victim.
Amen.
And that's going to be the child.
So 50% of the people in abortion die.
So I like to bring out that it's an intentional taking of life.
If you are medically treating someone, My mother and her child, if you're medically treating them and one dies naturally, that is not abortion.
Miscarriages are not abortion.
No.
You know, we've got legislation that we're trying to work through the state legislative process right now.
It's in the House.
It's House Bill 496 that we're promoting with Georgia Right to Life and working with legislators to Get this actually out of the Public Health Committee right now.
But that legislation, it comes under a lot of criticism because it's built on the Homicide Code in Georgia.
And people say all the time, well, you must not like women.
You must hate them because you want them to be put in jail for a crime.
Of abortion.
And you want to criminalize them.
I do want to criminalize abortion.
Yeah.
You want to criminalize the act of abortion.
I do.
I mean, can you imagine the uprising that we would have if all of a sudden our state legislator said, oh, well, you know, we don't want to criminalize anybody who commits homicide, so we're just going to take that one off the books.
We're going to, you know, we're not going to...
I mean, people would be outraged.
My mother's in prison right now because he's a drug addict and he loves getting high and he hurts his own body and he could die any minute with an overdose of fentanyl.
And he, you know, he does petty theft on my family.
Never has stolen from anyone outside of family, but we don't put up with it.
We don't enable him.
And so we have him arrested.
So he's in prison right now for, you know, breaking probation and he's hurting himself, right?
But we have people literally sucking the brains out of babies.
And they're walking around free and they have as many abortions as they want to.
And that's mental illness.
It is a sickness.
The amount of trauma and the mindset to go and do that to yourself over and over and over.
They need help.
And so people get mad about, you want to criminalize abortion?
Yes, I do.
I want it criminalized.
It should be illegal to murder someone unless someone is trying to kill you.
If someone is trying to kill you and you have to have self-defense, you should not be killing people.
That's not our right.
That's not okay, ever.
Yes, we 100% agree on that.
And we just, again, the value of life.
But see, I think that's what we see so much of in our day and time is that there is not a value to life.
People don't value their own lives, so therefore they're not going to value yours or my life.
You know, we say, how can somebody just take out a gun and point at somebody's head and kill them?
Well, it's easy if you don't have any value for your own self, much less anybody else.
It's real easy.
That's right.
It's real easy, you know.
And of course, again, you know, all the circumstances that are involved in all of these things.
But there is what we call due process of law.
I mean, we haven't gone to a system where, okay, well, just, I'm just, you did this and you are going to pay for it.
And we don't, you know, there is a painstaking process in the law.
And in the system.
So, you know, and sometimes I think it's a little long delayed myself, but, you know, sadly, it's that way.
But I do, we just, again, we lose so much because we, in general, we will not take the time To talk to people and have a conversation with them.
I say that the greatest impact that I have is when I can have a one-on-one conversation with someone and say, you know what?
Here is what life is.
Here is why we value life.
And just start there.
And kind of back to where we started with Georgia Right to Life and what we do and how we do it.
I want to say this.
Our organization is 80% education.
We have, you know, legislation.
Yes, we do have legislation that we want to support and that we introduce.
We do have legislation.
But 80% is talking, speaking to your audience.
Taking the opportunity wherever we can be.
And I can tell you, I have traveled a lot in the state of Georgia and have seen a lot of places that I didn't know existed.
But it's a wonderful thing.
I think that's one of my favorite things about the job is just meeting people and being able to talk to them.
You know, and to give them information that they otherwise don't have.
You know, we're here living this and breathing it every single day.
But that's another thing that I want to say is, you know, abortion can end.
Abortion can end in Georgia.
It simply can.
And the start of it is with something like the Prenatal Equal Protection Act.
That would change our law in such a way that we could go back and we could deal with everything else that's on the books already as far as, you know, because we have an abortion code.
Every piece of legislation, every law that has been passed that is called pro-life, guess what it has in it?
It has the abortion code.
Because there is always one person who is not going to be charged, is not going to be held accountable, is not going to be held liable for the death of the child.
And that is the mother.
And that is in the abortion code.
So let's talk about, I want to talk, Zemi, about the heartbeat bill because I've talked about that a lot when I was running for office because the legislators, I said, well, we did the heartbeat bill.
Well, in my opinion, the heartbeat bill hasn't saved any lives because if we go in and I'm pregnant and I don't have a sonogram and I don't ask for that or the abortionist doesn't tell me, well, do you want to have a sonogram or let's have a sonogram?
Then I can abort the baby anytime I want all the way up to birth because the law says if you have a sonogram and their life's there and it's within such and such, then you're not supposed to abort.
So all it does is say if you hear the heartbeat on a sonogram, like it's not.
So if we don't have the sonogram, then we can abort the baby.
Am I right?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And there's nothing to stop it.
It's gaslighting.
The whole thing with the heartbeat bill is gaslighting and we're done with it.
Because it was written with loopholes.
Yes, are there some aspects to it as far as the recognition of personhood, of unborn children?
That is recognized.
That is defined in the heartbeat bill.
We don't call it a heartbeat bill at Georgia Right to Life.
We don't call it a six-week regulation.
We don't use those terms of that legislation and that law because, as you said, it's not a heartbeat bill and it isn't a six-week regulation.
We have footage where the governor himself was Talking to a particular legislator who said she had four counties in rural Georgia and You know, it may take over six weeks for her residents to find out that they were pregnant.
And, oh, then they have to travel to a doctor.
That may take another couple weeks to, you know.
And he said himself, he said, well, you know, that constitutes a medical emergency at that point.
I mean, we've got it.
We've got the information where he said it.
It also says, I did the heartbeat bill.
Why do y'all need anything else?
We did the heartbeat bill.
It's a lie.
It's a lie.
It's pandering.
It's gaslighting.
It's a lie.
The heartbeat bill did nothing.
Everybody needs to shut up about it because it doesn't work.
And so it does not prevent death and murder of a baby.
Yeah.
And the numbers show, the ones from the Department of Public Health show that, you know, between...
Between 2019 and 2022, our abortion rate has gone up.
It has not gone down.
It has gone up.
Those numbers are still up.
And again, you know, we can't even fully rely on the numbers because they're greater than what they show.
Because if someone performs 50 or less in an office, they don't have to report those during the year.
Chemical abortion is not necessarily included in those numbers with the Department of Public Health because you know there's there's really it would be very very difficult to track the number of chemical abortions that are taking place.
So you know when people talk about numbers I I kind of take the numbers with a grain of salt only because I say, you know, you've got to understand that's not defining and numbering every life that's lost through abortion.
It's just not.
There's so much more.
There are so many more.
So, you know, that's why, you know, for Georgia Right to Life, because It's interesting that several organizations, over time, because of the, particularly the U.S. Supreme Court, Dobbs v.
Jackson Women's Healthcare, that was ruled on in June of 2022, a lot of organizations have said, oh, well, you know, we've got to, now we're going to have to kind of change our We're going to have to change what we're doing.
That's one thing I said.
We don't have to change what we're doing.
We have never had to change course.
And the reason that we haven't is because we are pushing this to educate people on the fact that, number one, these are persons in the womb.
They should be always, as the moment of their Very being.
They should have the right to life.
And it should be protected.
And that right to life should exist until your natural death.
Because nobody but God is able to create life and nobody but God should be able to take life.
And so we have never had to change course because ours is always focused on the fact that We've got to recognize that these are persons we're dealing with.
And sadly, it does have to be a legislative effort as well.
But at the same time, you know, we understand as Christians, we understand the value of life from God's perspective.
And when I value you, that God created you, just like he created me.
And yes, we look different.
Yes, we are unique.
Yes, we have all of these things that are only unique to ourselves.
I mean, how can you, how can you not?
First of all, I say, how can anyone not just fall on their knees before God and say, thank you, you know?
And the scripture says he knew us before we were ever born.
He knew us from the beginning of eternity.
We were in God's mind.
He knew us.
So how much love does he have for us?
Because we have been in his mind since eternity.
And we will carry on through eternity with him.
Knowing more and more of Him.
You know, I mean, that's what I see about eternity is, man, God loves the knowledge.
He encourages us to be knowledgeable, to learn.
He gave us minds that are amazing.
You know, I was reading the other day, in order to use every bit of our brain that we have, get this, you would have to learn something new Every second of every minute of every hour of every day for the next 30 million years in order to use your brain up.
Yep.
So I'm like, you know...
I've heard Dr.
Ben Carson talk about that.
There's the capacity of the brain.
It's so amazing.
I want you to talk about, before we go, because we only have a few minutes left, two things.
One thing is what people can do volunteer-wise, like what you need.
And the second thing is, where does the money go when people donate?
So if you can talk about volunteerism and the need there and then the financial need and where the money goes.
Well, we are always looking for people all over the state who are willing to...
Either continue a chapter that has started or to begin a chapter in an area of the state that we don't have a chapter currently because that to us the the chapters are the very important part of Georgia Right to Life because that's where it happens is in the grassroots and grassroots need to be educated so that they can actually be Be engaged with their communities
on that level because at the state office we are just not able to get down on that ground level with people.
And then as far as the funding for Georgia Right to Life, we have both a 501 and we have a 501.
Our 501 is dedicated to our educational Work that we are doing.
It covers our Pillars of Personhood training and we have college campus outreaches.
Those each cost about $1,200 to put all that together and to travel and do those things.
Again, that's 80% of what we do, getting the message out there.
And then our committee is, again, that's just the 501, which is not tax deductible.
But I mean, that's just to keep us going here.
And honestly, I've got a staff right now that I lead up of about seven people.
And I have said to our president many times, that staff needs to be about 25 people, just so we can do the work that we're doing.
And I do have to just give a wonderful shout out to my staff and all of the volunteers and the chapter leaders because our chapter leaders are volunteers.
There are just a few people in our organization that get paid for what they do, but it takes a lot of work and a lot of people.
So I encourage people.
Do you do fundraising?
So I know you can go to their website.
I will put the website at the bottom of the screen, but you can donate there.
And then you can also fundraise and help with that way.
If you don't have a lot of money, but you're willing to host a fundraiser or you're willing to have a creative idea, you don't have to necessarily donate $1,000 because you don't have that.
But if you can volunteer to raise money, that is wonderful.
So any of those things.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
If people have, we just had somebody recently who said, hey, I have a venue over here.
I will give it to you to use for a fundraising event for you.
So things like that.
Be creative.
Anything.
I will always consider anything because I believe that we can't just always just tread down this one beaten path.
We've got to be expanding ourselves and doing what we do.
Well, Demi, thank you so much.
You know, I ran for office, and when I ran, I said, we're going to stop killing babies in Georgia.
And so I just believe that.
We're going to stop killing babies in Georgia.
That's going to happen.
Get behind the legislation that Demi's talking about right now.
Go look it up.
It's House Bill, would you say?
It's a House Bill or Senate Bill?
496.
It's House Bill 496.
It is sponsored by Representative Emory Donahue.
Okay, so get behind that.
Call your legislators.
Tell them, I'm for that bill.
We're going to quit killing babies in Georgia.
The Supreme Court overturned, we're still killing babies in Georgia.
Why?
Why are we doing this?
So, thank you so much, Jimmy Fleck.
I loved having you.
You're welcome anytime.
And I will talk to you very soon.
Y'all come back next week for Jesus Good and the Babies.
Thank you.
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