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Feb. 9, 2024 - Stew Peters Show
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Millstone Report w Paul Harrell: Breaking Down Tucker's Historic Interview With Vladimir Putin
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People say we need to make America great again.
I completely agree.
agree we may need to make gallows great again.
Literally so many people that need to have a millstone put around their neck and tossed into the sea.
Hey guys.
What a night.
What a night.
What a night that was.
Am I right?
Welcome to the Millstone Report.
My name is Paul Harrell.
Thank you so much for being with us.
Last night, Tucker Carlson dropped his interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and as predicted, it has broken the internet.
The leftist media is shrieking because years of anti-Russia propaganda was totally dismantled by Tucker Carlson asking basic questions.
It's amazing what happens when you actually sit down with somebody.
The interview has already been viewed well over 100 million times on X, and who knows how many watched on Tucker's website, TuckerCarlson.com.
The beginning of the interview, the first 30 minutes, has already been launched into internet meme fame.
Some are even making Lord of the Rings jokes comparing Putin's history lesson of the Russian state to Middle Earth lore.
I find that personally hilarious.
But in all seriousness, Putin's taking over the interview almost uninterrupted for 30 minutes was a master class in narrative control and caught Tucker off guard.
I don't think Putin's plan was to alpha dog Tucker as much as it was to take advantage of an enormous opportunity.
Vladimir Putin became America's teacher last night.
Americans learned historical facts about the region none of us were taught in school, and I believe he was attempting to politely humble us by letting Americans know the world does not revolve around the United States and the West.
The history of Europe is very complicated, way more nuanced than trying to play on America's 1980s fear and aversion to Soviet communism via Rocky IV or Red Dawn fear-mongering.
In fact, in the interview, Putin did not come across as a communist and even criticized Lenin and Stalin, which couldn't believe that.
I was struck by Putin's command of the facts and realized his knowledge of his nation's history is not unlike a grandpa telling his kids about the American Revolution or the signing of the Declaration of Independence in Philadelphia.
This history lesson humanized Putin and was a genius move.
I was also struck by his apparent competence.
My conclusion is that America desperately needs serious leaders to fairly negotiate with the likes of Putin on the international stage.
And we clearly do not have that now.
We have clown people running the show now who are bringing the world dangerously close to World War III. What was also clear is that the CIA, or American Intel Apparatus, has been running the country for decades and elected presidents have had no real power for a very long time.
This may be why Trump was such a threat, and why Chuck Schumer famously said on national TV that Trump should be careful because the American intel agencies have many different ways to get back at a president who does not fall in line.
Putin described several instances where the initial word or promise of an American president was meaningless.
Putin asked if he could join NATO and Clinton said yes and the CIA said no.
So Clinton told Vlad after talking it over with the team it couldn't happen.
Putin then told a story about how he wanted to be part of a missile defense system containing the nation of Iran and how Condoleezza Rice and the Bush administration and others torpedoed that deal.
And now, actually, we see the fruits of all of this intel agency controlling our democracy, our republic.
The U.S. intel apparatus got so good at regime change and meddling in other countries, they decided to turn it against the American people.
So instead of Ukrainian NGOs in 2014, they decided to use Mark Zuckerberg money, Zuckerbucks, to fund non-profits here in America that took over local election offices in Democrat strongholds, and voila, the 2020 election was stolen.
Tonight, on the Millstone Report, we're going to watch this interview.
Not the whole thing, because we only have an hour's show, but we're going to watch, we're going to react to this historic interview, and it is historic.
We pick up about an hour into the interview where Tucker was pressing Putin on the Biden administration's lack of contact with Russia since the Ukrainian war began.
If you are interested in what Mr.
President Biden responded to me, ask him.
At any rate, I talk to him about it.
I'm definitely interested, but...
From the outside, it seems like this could devolve or evolve into something that brings the entire world into conflict and could initiate a nuclear launch.
And so why don't you just call Biden and say, let's work this out?
What's there to work out?
It's very simple.
I repeat.
We have contacts through various agencies.
I will tell you what we are saying on this matter and what we are conveying to the US leadership.
If you really want to stop fighting, you need to stop supplying weapons.
It will be over within a few weeks.
That's it.
And then we can agree on some terms.
Before you do that, stop.
What's easier?
Why would I call him?
What should I talk to him about?
Or beg him for what?
And what messages do you get back?
You're going to deliver such and such weapons to Ukraine?
Oh, I'm afraid, I'm afraid, please don't!
What is there to talk about?
Do you think NATO is worried about this becoming a global war or a nuclear conflict?
At least that's what they're talking about.
And they're trying to intimidate their own population with an imaginary Russian threat.
This is an obvious fact.
And thinking people, not Philistines, but thinking people, analysts, those who are engaged in real politics, just smart people, understand perfectly well that this is a fake.
They're trying to fuel the Russian threat.
The threat I think you're referring to is a Russian invasion of Poland, Latvia, expansionist behavior.
The other threat would be that Russia's going to blow up a nuclear power plant, right?
That's another one that they've come up with, so let's not forget that.
Just like they blew up their own pipeline, right?
That phony story, we're going to also blow up a nuclear power plant and say that it was Russia that did it.
Zelensky himself has seeded that narrative last year.
And it's recently resurfaced that that may happen.
Anything, any pretense to get American troops into the meat grinder is the goal.
Can you imagine a scenario where you sent Russian troops to Poland?
Only in one case, if Poland attacks Russia...
Why?
Because we have no interest in Poland, Latvia or anywhere else.
Why would we do that?
We simply don't have any interest.
This is what's crazy.
Obviously, we're not covering the first 30 minutes of this, the history lesson, but if you missed it, please go back and watch it because it's fascinating.
I had no idea.
I knew Ukraine was a fake construct of a country, but for example, I didn't know that as late as the 1980s, you would go to western parts of Ukraine and the people there were still speaking Hungarian because that land used to belong to Hungary.
And, you know, I had no idea that they would have Russian, they'd have signs in Russian, they'd have signs in Hungarian.
And it really just makes you think this whole construct of Ukraine is just a made-up country.
It's just a project of the West.
And it's just...
And these lands in eastern Ukraine are Russian.
They have traditionally been Russian.
It would be like us, you know, giving up Philadelphia.
You know what I mean?
Like, this is where the country was founded.
Anyway, go ahead.
It's just threat-mongering.
Well, the argument, I know you know this, is that while he invaded Ukraine, he has territorial aims across the continent.
continent and you're saying unequivocally you don't?
It is absolutely out of the question.
You just don't have to be any kind of analyst.
It goes against common sense to get involved in some kind of a global war.
And a global war will bring all humanity to the brink of destruction.
It's obvious.
There are certainly means of deterrence.
They have been scaring everyone with us all along.
Tomorrow Russia will use tactical nuclear weapons.
Tomorrow Russia will use that.
No, the day after tomorrow.
So what?
In order to extort additional money from US taxpayers and European taxpayers in the confrontation with Russia, in the Ukrainian theater of war.
The goal is to weaken Russia as much as possible.
One of our senior United States senators from the state of New York, Chuck Schumer, said yesterday, I believe, that we have to continue to fund the Ukrainian effort or U.S. soldiers, citizens, could wind up fighting there.
How do you assess that?
This is a provocation, and a cheap provocation at that.
I do not understand why American soldiers should fight in Ukraine.
There are mercenaries from the United States there.
The bigger number of mercenaries comes from Poland, with mercenaries from the United States in second place and mercenaries from Georgia in third place.
Well, if somebody has the desire to send regular troops, that would certainly bring humanity to the brink of very serious global conflict.
This is obvious.
Do the United States need this?
What for?
Thousands of miles away from your national territory.
Don't you have anything better to do?
We've said here on the Milson Report for a while now that one of the reasons they're so hell-bent on getting America involved into a war is because the financial order is so shifting and the dollar is under attack.
And they talk about this in the interview, that the U.S. dollar is under attack and that the United States has actually It created the circumstances for its demise by putting the sanctions and freezing assets against Russia.
So Russia used to use the U.S. dollar, and now they use the yuan.
They use the Chinese currency, or they use Russian rubles now, and how we've actually suicided ourselves with the dollar.
So a lot of people think the war and this constant need to warmonger It's in order to prop up the collapsing financial system, the corrupt Western finance system.
And a lot of times it's happened.
You go to war to try to save or preserve an economic system or an economic hegemony, if you will.
Anyway, back to this.
You have issues on the border, issues with migration, issues with the national debt, more than 33 trillion dollars.
You have nothing better to do, so you should fight in Ukraine?
Wouldn't it be better to negotiate with Russia, make an agreement, already understanding the situation that is developing today, realizing that Russia will fight for its interests to the end?
That's the thing, though.
And realizing this, actually return to common sense.
They don't want that, though, because that would mean nationalism.
They don't want nationalism.
They want globalism.
They want the Tower of Babel, right?
I mean, you know, go forth and multiply.
Nimrod said, no, we're just going to try to create a massive global city-state, right?
And that's what we're going to do.
We're not going to disperse.
We're going to concentrate.
And then, of course, we know what happened with the Tower of Babel.
They're trying to build the Tower of Babel 2.0.
And they're trying to enslave the entire world.
And countries like Russia, that are nationalistic, ethnic Russians, they have their own identity, they basically have something close to a state religion, they can't have that.
They can't have that.
The only ethnostate that's allowed to exist is Israel, not Russia.
Start respecting our country and its interests and look for certain solutions.
It seems to me that this is much smarter and more rational.
Who blew up Nord Stream?
Here it is.
You for sure.
I was busy that day.
I did not blow up Nord Stream.
You personally may have an alibi, but the CIA has no such alibi.
Did you have evidence that NATO or the CIA did it?
You know, I won't get into details, but people always say in such cases, look for someone who is interested.
But in this case, we should not only look for someone who is interested, but also for someone who has capabilities.
Because there may be many people interested, but not all of them are capable of sinking to the bottom of the Baltic Sea and carrying out this explosion.
These two components should be connected.
Who is interested and who is capable of doing it?
But I'm confused.
I mean, that's the biggest act of industrial terrorism ever, and it's the largest emission of CO2 in history.
Okay, so if you had evidence, and presumably given your security services, your intel services, you would, that NATO, the US, CIA, the West did this, why wouldn't you present it and win a propaganda victory?
In the war of propaganda, it is very difficult to defeat the United States, because the United States controls all the world's media and many European media.
The ultimate beneficiary of the biggest European media are American financial institutions.
Don't you know that?
He doesn't...
This is fascinating to me.
And this is, in many ways, it's isolationist.
In any ways, it's Putin essentially...
He's literally...
He's not even trying.
He's written all these organizations off.
He's written these institutions off.
He's washing his hands off.
He's not even going to try.
I'm not even going to try to win the propaganda war because everything's bought and paid for.
And I can understand why Vladimir Putin comes to that conclusion.
Our media is so controlled that with a straight face, they told us that Russia blew up their own pipeline with a straight face.
Now, if you have every institution in the West, specifically media outlets, for the most part, all of the big ones, and they're parroting that, oh, Russia blew up their own pipeline, then Vladimir Putin's going to try to compete with that now?
It's a waste of time, right?
The people that know the truth, outlets like this one that'll actually tell you the truth, are out there.
They exist.
The people that want to know the truth, they can find it.
But in terms of trying to get these giant corporations and Western financial institutions to tell you the truth, no.
They would rather lie to you constantly.
And that's what they do.
They intentionally deceive, they constantly lie about everything, especially about Russia.
So it is possible to get involved in this work, but it is cost prohibitive, so to speak.
We can simply shine the spotlight on our sources of information, and we will not achieve results.
It is clear to the whole world what happened, and even American analysts talk about it directly.
It's true.
Yes.
But here's a question you may be able to answer.
You worked in Germany, famously.
The Germans clearly know that their NATO partner did this.
And it damaged their economy greatly.
It may never recover.
Why are they being silent about it?
That's very confusing to me.
Why wouldn't the Germans say something about it?
This also confuses me.
But today's German leadership is guided by the interests of the collective West rather than its national interests.
Otherwise, it is difficult to explain the logic of their action or inaction.
After all, it is not only about Nord Stream 1, which was blown up and the Nord Stream 2 was damaged, but one pipe is safe and sound and gas can be supplied to Europe through it.
But Germany does not open it.
We're ready, please.
There's another route through Poland, called Yamal Europe, which also allows for large flow.
Poland has closed it, but Poland packs from the German hand, it receives money from the pan-European funds, and Germany is the main donor to these pan-European funds.
Germany feeds Poland to a certain extent.
And they close their route to Germany.
Why?
I don't understand.
Ukraine, to which the Germans supply weapons and give money.
Germany is the second sponsor of the United States in terms of financial aid to Ukraine.
There are two gas routes through Ukraine.
They simply closed one route.
The Ukrainians, open the second route and please get gas from Russia.
They do not open it.
Why don't the Germans say, look guys, we give you money and weapons, open up the valve, please, let the gas from Russia pass through for us.
We're buying liquefied gas at exorbitant prices in Europe, which brings the level of our competitiveness and economy in general down to zero.
Do you want us to give you money?
Let us have the decent existence.
Make money for our economy, because this is where the money we give you comes from.
They refuse to do so.
Why?
Ask them.
That is what is like in their heads.
Those are highly incompetent people.
Well, maybe the world is breaking into two hemispheres, one with cheap energy, the other without.
And I want to ask you that.
If we're now a multipolar world, obviously we are.
Can you describe the blocks of alliances?
Who is in each side, do you think?
Listen, you have said that the world is breaking into two hemispheres.
A human brain is divided into two hemispheres.
One is responsible for one type of activities, the other one is more about creativity and so on.
But it is still one and the same head.
The world should be a single whole, security should be shared rather than a meant for the golden billion.
That is the only scenario where the world could be stable, sustainable and predictable.
Until then, while the head is split in two parts, it is an illness, a serious adverse condition.
It is a period of severe disease that the world is going through now.
But I think that, thanks to honest journalism, this work is akin to work of the doctors.
This could somehow be remedied.
Well, let's just give one example.
The U.S. dollar, which has kind of united the world in a lot of ways, maybe not to your advantage.
Here it is about the dollar.
Is that going away as the reserve currency, the universally accepted currency?
How have sanctions, do you think, changed the dollar's place?
This is incredible right here.
You know, to use the dollar as a tool of foreign policy struggle is one of the biggest strategic mistakes made by the US political leadership.
The dollar is the foundation of the power of the US.
The dollar is the cornerstone of the United States power.
I think everyone understands very well that no matter how many dollars are printed, they are quickly dispersed all over the world.
The dollar is the cornerstone of US power.
So, that's the cornerstone.
Meaning, if the dollar goes away, our power goes away.
So, go to war to try to save our power.
That is exactly, I think, again, just my theory here is U.S. financial system is under imminent threat, under collapse.
We live in a financial iron curtain, though, right?
The U.S. has not really seen the consequences of all of these terrible economic decisions and all of these shifts that are happening, Saudi Arabia and the BRICS, the BRICS nations, all of that, buying oil with yuan or other currencies and not the dollar.
And yet somehow, the media obviously is not going to talk about it, but we're not experiencing the collapse yet.
We're not experiencing the crisis yet because they have this control over it, an iron curtain where, you know, a system run on totally unsound economic fundamentals.
We just don't see the results of it yet because they still have, they're still clinging on to this power.
But there will come a day where it is just, the switch is going to be flipped and everybody, the emperor has no clothes and the whole system is illegitimate.
Everybody knows it, run on banks or whatever, whatever it ends up being.
And so in order to prevent that from happening, you galvanize the public with presumably a false flag attack and you go to war.
Or, you know, a false flag, you know, the power plant, as I mentioned earlier.
You know, the Russians are going to blow up their pipeline.
They're also going to blow up a nuclear plant, and that will give us a pretense to go to war and, you know, send American troops into the meat grinder.
3%, for example, 3-4%.
It's absolutely acceptable for the United States.
Inflation in the United States is minimal.
It's about 3 or 3.4%, which is, I think, totally acceptable for the U.S. But they won't stop printing.
What does the debt of $33 trillion tell us about?
It is about the emission.
As soon as the political administration decided to use dollars as an instrument of political power, Nevertheless, it is the main weapon used by the United States to preserve its power across the world.
As soon as the political leadership decided to use the US dollar as a tool of political struggle, a blow was dealt to this American power.
I would not like to use any strong language, but it is a stupid thing to do and a grave mistake.
They look at what's happening and look at what's happening.
Look at what is going on in the world.
Even the United States allies are now downsizing their dollar reserves.
Seeing this, everyone starts looking for ways to protect themselves.
But the fact that the United States applies restrictive measures to certain countries, such as placing restrictions on transactions, freezing assets, etc., causes grave concern and sends a signal to the whole world.
What did we have here?
Until 2022, about 80% of Russian foreign trade transactions were made in US dollars and euros.
US dollars accounted for approximately 50% of our transactions with third countries, while currently it is down to 13%.
It wasn't us who banned the use of the U.S. dollar.
We had no such intention.
It was decision of the United States to restrict our transactions in U.S. dollars.
I think it is complete foolishness from the point of view of the interests of the United States itself and its taxpayers, as it damages the US economy, undermines the power of the United States across the world.
By the way, our transactions in Yuan accounted for about 3%.
Today, 34% of our transactions are made in rubles and about as much, a little over 34% in Yuan.
Why did the United States do this?
My only guess is self-conceit.
They probably thought it would lead to full collapse, but nothing collapsed.
I also want to point out that while this interview was being aired, when it was released, so everybody's crazy, they're watching it, and I don't know if it's related, but a lot of people seem to think that it was, Moscow was set on fire last night.
And here you see this video that was circulating on Twitter that Moscow was burning while this interview, while everybody was watching this interview, again, where the...
As I said at the top of the show, as I said in the monologue, this very much humanized Vladimir Putin and made him essentially a teacher.
Again, he became America's teacher in that first 30 minutes.
Which I still can't get over.
It's such an interesting way to essentially control the narrative from the outset.
Here's more.
Moreover, other countries, including oil producers, are thinking of and already accepting payments for oil in Yuan.
Do you even realize what is going on or not?
Does anyone in the United States realize this?
What are you doing?
You're cutting yourself off.
All experts say this.
Ask any intelligent and thinking person in the United States what the dollar means for the US. You're killing it with your own hands.
We're killing it with our own hands.
Interesting.
So there's two ways to look at it.
We're killing it with our own hands.
We're throwing a temper tantrum, and we just want our power to mean something, and so we're trying to cut it off.
The other way to look at it is we're intentionally creating the financial crisis that somebody wants to happen in the first place.
And I have been saying for a while that, you know, the $33 trillion national debt is very much a construct.
Because I remember when people would preach against it, I was one of those people on the radio back in 2009, 2010.
I was telling everybody, $12 trillion, $12 trillion, we got $12 trillion.
Then it hit 20, then it hit 30.
Now it's over 33 trillion.
And what has happened that's bad?
And so I came to the conclusion that we clearly, there's something that we clearly don't know.
Very small amount of people actually know what the financial system is, how it works.
Very small amount of people actually know that.
The smaller the group is, the more opportunity there is for massive corruption.
So they know they have information that we simply don't have.
We spend $12 trillion, nothing bad happens, so we might as well spend $30 trillion.
I used to say the exact same thing before it was $30 trillion.
These people think they can spend $30 trillion and nothing bad is going to happen.
And so I have come to the conclusion that I don't think the national debt matters until they want it to matter.
And Putin is literally saying they're taking the dollar with their own actions.
Now, whether it's just they're being stupid, very likely possibility, or they're doing it on purpose.
Because, you see, it's not just a war, and I'm just gaming this out here, it's not just a war that could be used to preserve their corrupt financial system.
A financial collapse allows them to usher in a brand new financial system that is full of totalitarians and run by totalitarian freaks.
And we know all about the CBDC and everything else, so maybe that's the game.
Fair assessment.
The question is what comes next, and maybe you trade one colonial power for another much less sentimental and forgiving colonial power.
I mean, is the BRICS, for example, in danger of being completely dominated by the Chinese economy in a way that's not good for their sovereignty?
Do you worry about that?
We have heard those boogeyman stories before.
It is a boogeyman story.
We're neighbors with China.
You cannot choose neighbors just as you cannot choose close relatives.
We share a border of thousand kilometers with them.
This is number one.
Second, we have a centuries-long history of coexistence.
We're used to it.
Third, China's foreign policy philosophy is not aggressive.
Its idea is to always look for compromise, and we can see that.
The next point is as follows.
We are always told the same boogeyman story, and here it goes again, through an euphemistic form, but it is still the same boogeyman story.
The cooperation with China keeps increasing.
The pace at which China's cooperation with Europe is growing is higher and greater than that of the growth of Chinese-Russian cooperation.
Ask Europeans, aren't they afraid?
They might be, I don't know.
But they are still trying to access China's market at all costs, especially now that they are facing economic problems.
Chinese businesses are also exploring the European market.
Do Chinese businesses have small presence in the United States?
Yes, the political decisions are such that they are trying to limit their cooperation with China.
It is to your own detriment, Mr.
Tucker, that you are limiting cooperation with China.
You are hurting yourself.
It is a delicate matter, and there are no silver bullet solutions, just as it is with the dollar.
So, before introducing any illegitimate sanctions, illegitimate in terms of the Charter of the United Nations, One should think very carefully.
For decision makers, this appears to be a problem.
So you said a moment ago that the world would be a lot better if it weren't broken into competing alliances, if there was cooperation globally.
One of the reasons you don't have that is because the current American administration is dead set against you.
Do you think if there were a new administration after Joe Biden that you would I will tell you.
But let me finish the previous thought.
We, together with my colleague and friend, President Xi Jinping, set a goal to reach $200 billion of mutual trade with China this year.
We have exceeded this level.
According to our figures, our bilateral trade with China totals already 230 billion, and the Chinese statistics says it is 240 billion dollars.
One more important thing.
Our trade is well-balanced, mutually complementary in high-tech, energy, scientific research and development.
It is very balanced.
As for BRICS, where Russia took over the presidency this year, the BRICS countries are, by and large, developing very rapidly.
Look, if memory serves me right, back in 1992 the share of the G7 countries in the world economy amounted to 47%, whereas in 2022 it was down to, I think, a little over 30%.
The BRICS countries accounted for only 16% in 1992, but now their share is greater than that of the G7. It has nothing to do with the events in Ukraine.
This is due to the trends of global development and world economy, as I mentioned just now.
And this is inevitable.
This will keep happening.
It is like the rise of the Sun.
You cannot prevent the Sun from rising.
You have to adapt to it.
How do the United States adapt?
With the help of force, sanctions, pressure, bombings, and use of armed forces.
Again, that's reiterating what I've been saying.
There's the rise of the financial east, you know, the BRICS, it threatens the U.S. dollar, so what are we going to do?
We're going to use bombs, we're going to use sanctions, we're going to use the military.
We're already in a world war.
This is already a world war.
We just haven't gotten to the big players yet.
We're just fighting with proxy countries like Ukraine and Syria.
And I guess maybe Taiwan next.
This is about self-conceit.
Your political establishment does not understand that the world is changing under objective circumstances.
And in order to preserve your level, even if someone aspires, pardon me, to the level of dominance, you have to make the right decisions in a competent and timely manner.
Such brutal actions, including with regard to Russia and, say, other countries, are counterproductive.
This is an obvious fact.
It has already become evident.
You just asked me if another leader comes and changes something.
It is not about the leader.
It is not about the personality of a particular person.
I had a very good relationship with, say, Bush.
I know that in the United States he was portrayed as some kind of a country boy who does not understand much.
I assure you that this is not the case.
I think he made a lot of mistakes with regard to Russia, too.
I told you about 2008 and the decision in Bucharest to open the NATO's doors for Ukraine and so on.
That happened during his presidency.
He actually exercised pressure on the Europeans.
But in general, on a personal human level, I had a very good relationship with him.
He was no worse than any other American or Russian or European politician.
I assure you, he understood what he was doing as well as others.
I had such a personal relationship with Trump as well.
It is not about the personality of the leader.
It is about the elite's mindset.
If the idea of domination at any cost, based also on forceful actions, dominates the American society, nothing will change.
It will only get worse.
But if, in the end, one comes to the awareness that the world has been changing due to the objective circumstances and that one should be able to adapt to them in time, using the advantages that the US still has today, then perhaps something may change.
Look, China's economy has become the first economy in the world in purchasing power parity.
In terms of volume, it overtook the US a long time ago.
The USA comes second, then India, one and a half billion people, and then Japan, with Russia in the fifth place.
Russia was the first economy in Europe last year, despite all the sanctions and restrictions.
Is it normal from your point of view?
Sanctions, restrictions, impossibility of payments in dollars, being cut off from swift services, sanctions against our ships carrying oil, sanctions against airplanes, sanctions in everything, everywhere.
The largest number of sanctions in the world which are applied are applied against Russia.
And we have become Europe's first economy during this time.
The tools that US uses don't work.
Well, one has to think about what to do.
And you know, even Marco Rubio, I guess late last year, he was even lamenting this.
He was lamenting.
He was on national TV, Marco Rubio, Senator Rubio, lamenting.
Well, no, no.
What we're doing isn't working.
The sanctions aren't working.
We don't have the power we used to have.
So they know, and yet, but the clowns who are running things, they're not going to do anything different.
You know, Clayton Morris over at Revolver, I'm not Revolver, Redacted, Clayton Morris over at Redacted, saying he was speaking to Tucker, and one of the reasons Tucker wanted to do this interview, he claims it's because he's trying to save the United States from this war, because the Ukraine war is actually destroying the United States.
By putting the sanctions on Russia, you're actually destroying the United States.
The people at the top of this country are falling into their own nets, as the Bible says.
If this realization comes to the ruling elites, then yes, then the first person of the state will act in anticipation of what the voters and the people who make decisions at various levels expect from this person.
Then maybe something will change.
But you're describing two different systems.
You say the leader acts in the interest of the voters, but you also say these decisions are not made by the leader, they're made by the ruling classes.
You've run this country for so long, you've known all these American presidents.
What are those power centers in the United States, do you think?
Like who actually makes the decisions?
I don't know.
America is a complex country.
Conservative on one hand, rapidly changing on the other.
It's not easy for us to sort it all out.
Who makes decisions in the elections?
Is it possible to understand this when each state has its own legislation?
Each state regulates itself?
Someone can be excluded from elections at the state level.
It is a two-stage electoral system.
It is very difficult for us to understand it.
Certainly, there are two parties that are dominant, the Republicans and the Democrats.
And within this party system, the centers that make decisions, that prepare decisions.
Then, look, why, in my opinion, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, such an erroneous, crude, completely unjustified policy of pressure was pursued against Russia?
After all, this is a policy of pressure.
NATO expansion, support for the separatists in the Caucasus, creation of a missile defense system.
These are all elements of pressure.
Pressure, pressure, pressure.
Then dragging Ukraine into NATO is all about pressure, pressure, pressure.
Why?
I think among other things, because excessive production capacities were created.
During the confrontation with the Soviet Union, there were many centers created and specialists on the Soviet Union who could not do anything else.
They convinced the political leadership that it is necessary to continue chiseling Russia, to try to break it up, to create on this territory several quasi-state entities and to subdue them in a divided form, to use their combined potential for the future struggle with China.
This is a mistake, including the excessive potential of those who worked for the confrontation with the Soviet Union.
It is necessary to get rid of this.
There should be new, fresh forces, people who look into the future and understand what is happening in the world.
Look at how Indonesia is developing.
600 million people.
Where can we get away from that?
Nowhere.
We just have to assume that Indonesia will enter, it is already in, the club of the world's leading economies, no matter who likes it or dislikes it.
Yes, we understand and are aware that in the United States, despite all the economic problems, The situation is still normal, with the economy growing decently.
The GDP is growing by 2.5%, if I'm not mistaken.
But if we want to ensure the future, then we need to change our approach to what is changing.
As I already said, the world would nevertheless change, regardless of how the developments in Ukraine end.
The world is changing.
In the United States themselves, experts are writing that the United States are nonetheless gradually changing their position in the world.
It is your experts who write that.
I just read them.
The only question is how this would happen, painfully and quickly, or gently and gradually.
And this is written by people who are not anti-American, they simply follow global development trends, that's it.
And in order to assess them and change policies, we need people who think, look forward, can analyze and recommend certain decisions at the level of political leaders.
I just have to ask, you've said clearly that NATO expansion eastward is a violation of the promise you all were made in 1990.
It's a threat to your country.
Right before you sent troops into Ukraine, the Vice President of the United States went to the Munich Security Conference and encouraged the President of Ukraine to join NATO.
Do you think that was an effort to provoke you into military action?
I repeat once again, we have repeatedly, repeatedly proposed to seek a solution to the problems that arose in Ukraine after 2014 coup d'etat, through peaceful means.
But no one listened to us.
And moreover, the Ukrainian leaders who were under the complete US control suddenly declared that they would not comply with the Minsk agreements.
They disliked everything there and continued military activity in that territory.
And in parallel, that territory was being exploited by NATO military structures under the guise of various personnel training and retraining centers.
They essentially began to create bases there.
That's all.
Ukraine announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality, while passing the laws that limit the rights of non-titular nationalities in Ukraine.
Ukraine, having received all these southeastern territories as a gift from the Russian people, suddenly announced that the Russians were a non-titular nationality in that territory.
Is that normal?
All this put together led to the decision to end the war that neo-Nazis started in Ukraine in 2014.
Do you think Zelensky has the freedom?
Alright, here we go.
Neo-Nazis in Ukraine.
The Neo-Nazis started the war in 2014.
Started shelling and bombing civilian populations in eastern Ukraine.
These are ethnic Russians who speak Russian.
Okay.
This is...
We've been watching a lot of this interview.
Really, really good stuff.
A historic interview by Tucker Carlson.
Thank you guys for sticking with us.
with them to negotiate a settlement to this conflict.
I don't know the details.
Of course, it's difficult for me to judge.
But I believe he has, in any case, he used to have.
His father fought against the fascists, Nazis, during World War II. I once talked to him about this.
I said, Volodya, what are you doing?
Why are you supporting neo-Nazis in Ukraine today, while your father fought against fascism?
He was a front-line soldier.
I will not tell you what he answered, this is a separate topic, and I think it's incorrect for me to do so.
But as to the freedom of choice, why not?
He came to power on the expectations of Ukrainian people that he would lead Ukraine to peace.
He talked about this.
It was thanks to this that he won the elections overwhelmingly.
But then, when he came to power, in my opinion, he realized two things.
Firstly, it is better not to clash with neo-Nazis and nationalists, because they are aggressive and very active.
You can expect anything from them.
And secondly, the US-led West supports them and will always support those who antagonize with Russia.
It is beneficial and safe.
So, he took the relevant position, despite promising his people to end the war in Ukraine.
He deceived his voters.
But do you think at this point, as of February 2024, he has the latitude, the freedom, to speak with you or your government directly about putting an end to this, which clearly isn't helping his country or the world?
Can he do that, do you think?
Why not?
He considers himself head of state.
He won the elections.
Although we believe in Russia that the coup d'etat is the primary source of power for everything that happened after 2014.
And in this sense, even today government is flawed.
But he considers himself the President and he is recognized by the United States, all of Europe and practically the rest of the world in such a capacity.
Why not?
We can.
We negotiated with Ukraine in Istanbul.
We agreed, he was aware of this.
Moreover, the negotiation group leader, Mr.
Arkhemiya is his last name, I believe still has the faction of the ruling party, the party of the President in the Rada.
He still has the presidential faction in the Rada, the country's parliament.
He still sits there.
He even put his preliminary signature on the document I am telling you about.
But then he publicly stated to the whole world, we were ready to sign this document, but Mr.
Johnson, then the Prime Minister of Great Britain, came and dissuaded us from doing this.
Yeah, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, he did that.
He torpedoed the peace deal.
They don't want peace.
They want war.
Again, they cannot tolerate Vladimir Putin leading nationalist Russia.
That's a big part of this.
You know, the main story today, though, if you go look at all the networks, isn't as much this.
It's that the 25th Amendment may be used against Joe Biden because, you know, newsflash, he's an Alzheimer's patient.
Yeah, we've already known that.
The Inspector General report drops on the classified documents.
That's what everybody's talking about today on the mainstream networks, even the so-called conservative ones, instead of this historic interview, which, again, destroys years of mainstream media propaganda against Russia and against Vladimir Putin.
Last week, we played for you the video of how, in the early 2000s, they all loved Vladimir Putin.
There was a love affair.
They were obsessed with Vladimir Putin.
And the media fawned over him.
But they were invited.
Something happened.
I don't know what, but something happened, and he became persona non grata.
All right, more of this as we wrap things up.
It was better to fight Russia.
They would give everything needed for us to return what was lost during the clashes with Russia.
And we agreed with this proposal.
Look, his statement has been published.
He said it publicly.
Can they return to this or not?
The question is, do they want it or not?
Further on, President of Ukraine issued a decree prohibiting negotiations with us.
Let him cancel that decree.
And that's it.
We have never refused negotiations, indeed.
We hear all the time, is Russia ready?
Yes, we have not refused.
It was them who publicly refused.
Well, let him cancel his decree and enter into negotiations.
We have never refused.
And the fact that they obey the demand or persuasion of Mr.
Johnson, the former Prime Minister of Great Britain, seems ridiculous and very sad to me.
Because, as Mr.
Arakamiya put it, we could have stopped those hostilities with war a year and a half ago already.
And yet, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are dead now because of Boris Johnson doing the will of the West.
They would have rather had hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians dead Then they would allow Russia to take the land of Ukraine, which is populated by ethnic Russians who were being terrorized for the last 10 years, who have been literally shelled and murdered for the last 10 years,
all at the same time while saying, we're going to make Ukraine a member of NATO. I think one thing is clear from this interview, and we've talked about this before, this was not an unprovoked attack, and that's why he went on the long 30-minute, he wanted you to know, the 30 minutes of history and everything else, that the world does not revolve around the United States, always, even though as much as we would like it to, it doesn't.
And the media propaganda is, and I keep bringing up North Korea, when you think of like a totalitarian state and an enslaved population, that's what I think of.
I think of the North Koreans.
But we got a bunch of people here in America that are brainwashed by propaganda press that think they're free, and they're really not.
So what's a greater form of slavery?
The people who know they're being oppressed are the people who think they're free, but they're really not.
Because they're constantly being lied to and deceived and made to believe things that are not true.
But the British persuaded us and we refused this.
Where is Mr.
Johnson now?
And the war continues.
That's a good question.
Where do you think he is and why did he do that?
Hell knows.
I don't understand it myself.
There was a general starting point.
For some reason, everyone had the illusion that Russia could be defeated on the battlefield.
Because of arrogance, because of a pure heart, but not because of a great mind.
Wow.
You've described the connection between Russia and Ukraine.
You've described Russia itself a couple of times as Orthodox.
That's central to your understanding of Russia.
You've said you're Orthodox.
What does that mean for you?
You're a Christian leader by your own description.
So what effect does that have on you?
You know, as I already mentioned in 988, Prince Vladimir himself was baptized following the example of his grandmother, Princess Olga.
And then he baptized his squad.
And then, gradually, over the course of several years, he baptized all the Rus.
It was a lengthy process, from pagans to Christians.
It took many years.
But in the end, this orthodoxy, Eastern Christianity, deeply rooted itself in the consciousness of the Russian people.
When Russia expanded and absorbed other nations who profess Islam, Buddhism and Judaism, Russia has always been very loyal to those people who profess other religions.
This is her strength.
This is absolutely clear.
And the fact is that the main postulates, main values are very similar, not to say the same, in all world religions I've just mentioned and which are the traditional religions of the Russian Federation, Russia.
By the way, Russian authorities were always very careful about the culture and religion of those people who came into the Russian Empire.
This, in my opinion, forms the basis of both security and stability of the Russian statehood.
All the peoples inhabiting Russia basically consider it their motherhood.
If, say, people move over to you or to Europe from Latin America, an even clearer and more understandable example, people come, but yet they have come to you or to European countries from their historical homeland.
Cue the Christian nationalists.
You're a Christian leader.
You call yourself a Christian.
You're an Orthodox Christian, and you're a leader.
Cue the outrage of the people, of the dangers of Christian nationalism.
You wait, it'll happen.
See, I told you, all you Christian nationalists out there in America, you're just like Vladimir Putin.
Because they'll buy into the anti-Putin propaganda.
They probably won't watch the whole interview.
They'll only watch this part.
Oh, man.
Stu Peter Show coming up next.
All new Stu Peter Show coming up next.
Dr.
William Mack is going to be on the program talking about the WHO ramping up the propaganda for this new mysterious disease X that doesn't even exist yet, yet they know how many people are going to die from it, even though they don't even know what it is.
Also, David Corbo coming up on the program.
Olivia Rodrigo did a satanic blood ritual at the Grammys.
Stu's going to be talking to Mr.
David Corbo about that, as well as Frankie Stocks from National File.
We'll talk about the Rhino in West Virginia, who's a BLM sympathizer and may very well lose her primary.
Watch the rest of the Tucker interview.
It's fantastic.
It's historic.
It absolutely is.
I still am amazed by it.
And probably going to watch it another couple of times, as I have already.
That's all the time that we have for this edition of the Millstone Report.
Happy Friday to everybody out there.
Have a blessed weekend.
Have a blessed Lord's Day on Sunday.
And we'll see you back here on Monday.
Be safe.
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