LIVE - WRONGTHINK: Tucker Carlson for VP? 2024’s VP Contenders Will Make or Break the Campaign
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Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
you know what Melania said and you were very complimentary But one, if you did get that phone call, would you entertain it?
And two, if not, do you think if you could be, you know, unbiased in the most possible way, do you think you would make a good VP candidate?
And if not, who would you think would make a good VP candidate?
Because the strategy has got to be 12 years, not just four years.
Yeah.
Well, thank you for the nice intro, and it's good to hear from you.
I don't know if I'd make a good VP candidate.
I mean, probably not, actually.
I mean, I've never done anything like that at all.
I'm, you know...
I don't think I'm crazy, just to be totally blunt with you, but, you know, I'm a little eccentric in that and I'm definitely committed to saying what I think.
And so, you know, the structure of politics is totally foreign to me.
I know I could give good speeches because I like giving speeches, but, you know, there's a lot more than giving speeches.
So would I be good at that?
Probably not.
But it's just impossible to To imagine ever being involved in politics and I'm not being coy or anything like that.
I just I've covered it my whole life.
The number of politicians I would voluntarily have a meal with is like You know, fingers on a hand.
I just don't like them.
And so I generally think you should stick to things that come naturally to you that you like, you know, that you have an innate aptitude for.
And in my case, it's writing and talking, but it's not kind of like raising money or reading talking points or I don't know.
I just don't I just don't see myself doing anything like that, to be honest with you, though.
I mean, who knows?
God knows where this country is going, you know?
Yeah, an interesting response in that Twitter space from Tucker because I think he recognizes two things.
One, that we're at an unprecedented time in American history and really anything can happen and really anything may be needed from anyone.
And this is a time when unexpected heroes rise, okay?
Tucker realizes how unexpected things may be.
He may very well be VP. And that's kind of what we're going to be discussing today.
Not kind of, that is exactly what we're going to be discussing today because I just got back from AmFest.
Actually, I'm really, really tired.
But I got off the plane just a few hours ago and I was really interested in wanting to talk about on tonight's show what Tucker Carlson said.
Now, there were a lot of speakers and I don't know if I would necessarily travel to a convention To see him speak only because I've been, you know, I've been to Trump rallies.
I've seen him speak at plenty of events in D.C. And that's not, I mean, I love Trump.
I'm just saying that that's just, you know, I wouldn't have gone really to this convention merely for the reason of, you know, working and hearing them speak, right?
I wanted to see people to network and stuff.
That's a really important thing in this industry, of course, and just in general in life, I think.
And I didn't plan on listening to any guests, but when I listened to any speakers, but when I saw that Tucker was there, I really wanted to listen to what he had to say.
Mostly because of recently what has gone on with this talk of him being VP. And like you heard there, he gave a pretty humble response.
He also gave a very humble response at AmFest that we're going to break down.
But it's really interesting because usually the people that you want to be in power, usually the most humble people, they're the ones that ironically will probably never be in power because they're the ones that don't really seek it.
I believe it was Plato who said that in so many words, but it's been, you know, people say that have repeated the same sentiment many times in many ways.
But that's the reality when it comes to Tucker Carlson.
He realizes that that may not be who he is, despite the fact that it's who a lot of people want him to be.
And we're going to be talking about that because I think that is a really interesting idea.
Tucker Carlson for VP. Even Melania Trump has called for it.
So I think it's worth a conversation.
Especially after what I heard him say at AmFest this weekend.
Incredible speech from him.
I believe it was yesterday.
So Monday.
Incredible, incredible speech about beauty and truth and the fall of the West and how the fall of the West will ultimately have to do with the loss of that beauty.
Because beauty is truth.
And therefore, ugliness is oppression.
And that might sound superficial, but actually it's quite deep because...
The closer you get to beauty is the closer you get to truth.
And the closer you get to truth is the closer you get to God.
And so all of those things matter.
And your environment matters.
And he talks about that in a brilliant way.
And we're going to be breaking all of that down because it is so significant as it pertains to what we are dealing with here, not just in America, but also in the West.
So stay tuned guys for this very interesting episode of wrong thing primetime.
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Now, I want to jump right into all of this talk of Tucker Carlson being VP. Well, like I said, I had the opportunity to hear him speak this weekend when I was at AmFest, which is an event run by Turning Point.
And, you know, I'll say before I jump in, I don't always see a very politically diverse crowd at AmFest, meaning people who are, you know, more dissident, right?
They typically...
Don't go to these events, or at least they're not really highlighted, right?
I kind of think of Turning Point as a more moderate event, you know, still right-leaning, but more moderate.
And I was kind of pleased by the diversity of thought there, specifically this event this time, okay?
I saw a lot of people that were actually more on the dissident right, such as myself, and I was kind of happy to see that because I really do think that free speech is making a comeback, and I think that's indicative of that.
There's less of this, oh, we can't talk to this person, or we have to leave them out.
We have to leave them out of the group, out of the crowd.
I mean, there's still a little bit of that.
You definitely see it because there are still more con ink people being propped up at these mainstream conventions.
But at the same time, when I say mainstream, I mean mainstream and, you know, conservative mainstream, right?
You know, you're still likely never going to see like a Stu Peters being propped up at these events.
And so, you know, we have a long ways to go until we stop pushing out dissident voices, right?
But as far as being, you know, a politically conservative, conservative, politically diverse I actually was kind of surprised, pleasantly surprised.
So props to them for that.
I mean, I'm going to give credit where credit's due, even if I don't 100% support everything that an organization does.
Like, I certainly noticed that at least this time around, it wasn't just like a bunch of half-naked e-girls running around, which usually is the case at these Turning Point events.
I'm just going to be 100% honest.
And so I was happy to see that there were a lot of There was a lot of diversity of thought, okay?
Or at least more than usual.
On that note, I do want to jump right in because a poll was actually taken at AmFest.
Now, they usually do these polls to see who people want to run for president and who they want to be VP, or who they want to be president and who they want to be VP. So this happens at all major events.
This happens at CPAC, and this happens at Turning Point events.
So this event was very similar to those in the sense that they took a poll.
And I wanted to specifically show you the results of this poll because the question was who people wanted for VP. Now, these are mostly young people, but not so young where you're only getting one perspective.
Usually people between the ages of like 18 and well into their 40s show up to this convention.
You have a wide range of ages.
It's not even specifically young people.
So it was interesting to see how many people supported the notion of Tucker Carlson being VP. Because as you may know, Melania Trump already supports this notion too.
So it's not like this is a foreign concept.
There's already some support in it for it in the Trump family.
So take a look at this.
This was quite interesting.
This was, we have 35%.
For Tucker Carlson.
28 or 29?
Sorry, it's small on my screen, but 20-something percent for Vivek Ramaswamy.
So a smaller percentage in favor for Vivek Ramaswamy than Tucker Carlson.
Very interesting.
And this is interesting because, obviously, for many reasons, and we'll discuss that, but Tucker Carlson, I want to say he wins the AmFest VP poll.
He obviously got the highest percentage of any other person, so...
He's not a politician.
He's a media personality.
He's a pundit.
He was a journalist at first, and now he's a commentator, so it's just interesting to see an outsider, in many ways, be voted that high, and certainly a social pariah in the mainstream media sphere because he spoke the truth, right?
Now, I don't think Tucker Carlson's the most dissident voice on the right, obviously, but I think when you compare him to other mainstream anchors, he completely is, right?
And he doesn't really work for a corporation anymore, so we're even seeing him become more free, more open.
And what I'm realizing about him is that he's really, really smart.
a very analytical person but not so analytical that he lacks the ability to speak to the common man he has this really interesting ability similar to Trump but I would say he's probably even he he uses his the way he speaks is different Trump is very funny and Tucker Carlson can be funny too but he's really likes analogies he's He's just a very deep speaker, and I'm going to be showing you clips of that.
This was not the first time I've heard Tucker speak, but I really, really like this speech because he was really on a roll about the state of the West.
And I want to start.
So he spoke kind of on two occasions, at least that I'm aware of.
And one was when he did TimCast live, Tim Pool's podcast, which is the podcast I was on a couple weeks ago.
He was a guest on Tim Pool's show, and they did that live in front of the entire AmFest audience.
And he said a lot of interesting stuff, so I want to walk through that first.
He said something about the DeSantis campaign that I think will resonate with a lot of us.
So it's not even so much that we dislike DeSantis individually, but rather the people who work for his campaign have done an absolutely horrible job, just objectively.
And they are not the best people, okay?
And I've experienced that.
I've been attacked by people in the DeSantis campaign.
And that's what I've never even come for them in particular.
I actually have.
I'm a very loyal person.
I'm a very principled person.
And if we're friends, I'm not going to come for you publicly.
I don't do that to people.
I just don't.
I will never do that.
But one of the things that I think is interesting about them is they'll just attack anybody.
It's bizarre.
It's very bizarre.
I'm not saying that my friends attack me, but just people on the campaign, people that maybe I actually once knew and were my colleagues.
It's just very bizarre.
And it's become very clear that it's just an utter failure.
And again, that's not even necessarily a hit on DeSantis or his policies, just rather his campaign.
And I think this really resonated with a lot of people, what he had to say about that.
Can I just ask a question since you all are so on the internet and like I'm not that much.
You really get the sense that Ron DeSantis, who I liked as governor, the people who represent him online are the nastiest, the stupidest, and the most zero-sum people I've ever seen in my life.
And I don't think that reflects him, but it's like this is kind of small ball.
And by the way, these purported conservatives, Ron DeSantis changed his view.
And I like him, okay?
I think he's been a good governor.
I just want to be clear about that.
I know him personally.
I like him.
But his donor, Ken Griffin, told him to change his view on Ukraine from it's a regional conflict we shouldn't get involved in to it's a super important thing we should send more money.
One donor got him to change his view and all these so-called conservatives are supporting that like it's the most important thing ever.
Like who are these people and what is their problem?
Like what is going on with them?
It does reflect on Ron.
Because Ron should have fired the people running his campaign a long time ago.
Look, I respect that he wanted to launch his campaign on X, on Twitter Space.
Yeah, I agree.
And it failed miserably.
This is a mistake.
And now you've got...
Look, I know a lot of people groan, but a lot of people laugh.
The high heels, you know, boot scandal.
I mean, who's giving this guy advice and why does he keep taking it?
Because I will say it politically and policy-wise, we love Ron DeSantis.
He's done an amazing job.
I agree.
But his campaign is a train wreck.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, that was a perfect analysis of what has happened to Ron DeSantis.
Like, this political venture, this whole run for president has just been such a downfall for him.
Like, he has just fallen from grace, fallen from conservative media darling grace.
Now, I will say this, he still gets a lot of interviews on places like Newsmax and kind of more con-ink-y.
types of networks but in large part the American people are still behind Trump and to hear Tucker Carlson point the truth out like that I think it just kind of resonates with the American people and we can see that he's clearly on the same page as us.
I think that's why, again, a lot of people are supportive of him.
We're witnessing these very obvious things happen in politics and no one really understands why it's happening or nobody really seems to talk about it really.
I mean, people talk about DeSantis and how bad his campaign is and him, but as far as people running, it hasn't really been something that is spoken of.
And I was happy to hear from Tucker that he wanted to address that and be clear that his alliance, his Despite the fact that he has interviewed DeSantis, he's going to speak the truth.
This is a man who is very interested in telling the truth.
It doesn't matter who he has to step on.
Not in a phrase that wrong.
It doesn't matter who he has to step on.
What I mean is he's okay with telling the truth.
He's okay with being in an uncomfortable position where maybe telling the truth would mean outing DeSantis.
You know, a D.C. swamp snake or rat, you know, and I'm not saying that that's necessarily Ron DeSantis, but certainly the people that work on his campaign.
And most people are scared of doing that because they don't want to sever ties with people politically.
That's why Tucker Carlson is so appealing to people, because he says the things out loud that most people are already thinking or are saying in their everyday lives.
But they're not going to hear it from somebody in the D.C. swamp, which, to be fair, Tucker Carlson no longer lives in.
He lives in Maine, but he still, you know, is a media personality.
And he's sort of shedding that mainstream layer of, oh, I have to censor myself.
And that's been really good to hear from him.
He also talked about Nikki Haley speaking of telling the truth.
And once again, he was spot on about his analysis of Nikki Haley and whether or not she will be Trump's VP.
I think most Americans will agree with him on this one.
Would you vote for Trump if he chose Nikki as VP? Would you guys vote for Trump?
Well, that's the question that I asked you specifically.
I would not only not vote for that ticket, I would advocate against it as strongly as I could.
Wow.
Wow.
That's just poison.
I mean, here's someone who's actively opposed to the interests of the country I grew up in, who endorsed the BLM riots.
And who is not left, but is neoliberal in the darkest, most, speaking of nihilist, nihilistic way, and has no real popular support, is a creature of the oligarchs.
So, yeah, that would be reason to oppose the ticket.
Even Trump?
Haley is a no-go.
Nikki Haley...
He would get assassinated immediately if that were the case.
Yeah, and by the way, I just can't imagine a world where that could happen.
That would be so crazy.
I mean, anything could happen, of course, but picking Nikki Haley, who's utterly treacherous and utterly dismissive of the interests of Americans.
It's a no-go for me, but it's a yes for BlackRock.
Yeah, he's 100% spot on and that is exactly what we want to hear from a future VP and I think having somebody like Tucker Carlson speaking the truth about Nikki Haley and what a neocon she is.
That's almost comforting because if he were to be VP next to Donald Trump, you know, Donald Trump has a lot of enemies that surround him, you know, and they try to get him to get, I think, make wrong decisions about things.
I think that Tucker would really keep him grounded in that way, and I think he would really remind him to stay away from these snakes, these neocon snakes, because he's Kind of freshly removed from that.
So I think that his head is, you know, in the right place.
I think that was spot on, his analysis of Nikki Haley.
What did he call her?
A creature of the oligarchs.
That's exactly what she is.
And so obviously him saying that tells us that he recognizes the real threat.
That our own party can be.
That, you know, the Republican Party can be telling us that they're conservative when they're really not.
Nikki Haley is anti-free speech.
She'll say she's pro-free speech, but when you actually look at what she tries to do, it's not good.
You know, we've talked about that before on the show.
Sometimes your own party, in fact, most of the time your own party can be your own worst enemy.
And it's good to know that clearly Tucker realizes that.
He recognizes it.
So for somebody who could potentially be a VP, I would expect that quality in them.
To be able to see through the BS and best advise the president in that manner.
Now obviously they have many other jobs to do but I'm just saying that's certainly one that I think would be very helpful to somebody like Trump because obviously as VP we're considering him VP for Donald Trump.
Assuming he gets the nomination, which if you look at the polls, that's also pretty clear.
Should the nomination still happen?
Should we still have a 2024 election?
Again, predicated on all of that, which is still also up in the air.
But I also want to go on and play a clip of something that maybe would have been really controversial a few years ago, or maybe Tucker wouldn't have said a few years ago.
But now it's something that I'm really happy to see him actually address and address at a turning point event.
Okay, this was actually the moment when I realized, okay...
Maybe Turning Point's a little bit more base than I thought.
Maybe it's getting better in that way.
Okay, now I'm not totally sold on that, but I certainly was impressed that they had this topic that they spoke about.
And that topic exactly is white replacement, which is 100% real.
And it's not even like the Democrats have denied that.
They've been very open about that.
So here's that discussion that Tucker Carlson had with everybody on TimCast.
They've celebrated the fact...
I mean, the President of the United States did that.
I'm looking forward to the day when there are fewer whites, when they're in the minority.
It's sick.
Well, what is that?
To call for any group to become a minority is such a sickening, unfathomable thing to do.
Well, especially in a country where they've told us for my entire lifetime that minorities are, by definition, mistreated and oppressed in this country.
So, by their definitions, being a minority in America is a threat to your life, and they're celebrating a group becoming a minority.
It's like, what...
We're all too embarrassed to say so, but that's like genocidal language.
You are in the state where the Great Replacement is happening every day.
There's 15,000 people that they're bringing into Arizona to replace you.
They want Arizona to be less white, and as it's less white, they get more power.
Now, here's the funny thing is Vivek Ramaswamy says this, and the media immediately comes out and says, oh, conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories.
And then what happens?
Anybody who's paying attention sees the video from Joe Biden saying, we want it to happen.
There's a video, I believe it was from Van Jones, saying, effectively, what we are asking is for white people to accept becoming a minority.
And the Castro brothers, which I think is the best example, they're on Face the Nation in this long interview, and they're like, you will be calling the electoral votes for Texas because Texas is becoming more Hispanic.
And the interviewer says, well, what do you mean?
And they're like, well, yeah, I mean, obviously, mass migration is a benefit to the Democrat Party.
And Michael Anton had the most powerful piece where the way the Democrats respond to this is that it's not happening, and it's good that it is.
The Parallax.
What is it called?
The Celebration Parallax?
You're allowed to celebrate it, but you can't be critical of it.
Exactly.
If you write an article, you can get published in Vox.com saying it's so good that whites are no longer the majority.
But if you write the same article that says maybe it's not a great thing that whites are the majority, they call you a white supporter.
No, not only that, they say it's not happening.
They're saying it like, wait, wait, wait.
So is it happening or is it not happening?
But why are people putting up with it?
I mean, one of the reasons this doesn't happen to any other group is people are like, no, you can't do that.
You teach my kids that, that they're evil because of their skin color?
I'm going to flip out in the print.
I'm going to punch you out.
No other group would put up with that for one second.
Yeah.
Imagine if that conversation just wouldn't have taken place, especially at Turning Point 5-10 years ago.
And because of people like Tucker who broke that barriers in the mainstream, okay?
Because that's hard to do.
This is a guy from Fox News talking about great replacement, which was such a taboo topic, you know, a few years ago.
And just like Charlie Kirk actually very correctly pointed out, um...
It's racist when it's convenient for it to be racist, and it's not racist when the left talks about it.
So, like, if you're a conservative and you acknowledge the fact that what is happening is indeed a great replacement, because they are importing people from different countries to replace the white population, that is a fact.
That is not my opinion.
That is not me being a big meanie towards blacks and Hispanics.
I am Hispanic.
That is just a fact.
And you can look at the numbers.
It's clearly happening.
Why do you think that they allow so many people into this country?
And it's not even a matter of the motive.
It's not even why.
It's just the fact that it is happening.
OK, and so but you couldn't talk about that because as a conservative or they felt they couldn't talk about it, because if you were a conservative or if you weren't on the left, then automatically the reason why you're discussing it is because you're a big, bad racist.
Well, did it ever occur to you that we have a we have a right to question why it's going on?
We have a right to question the fact that whites are being replaced?
Because if that were happening to blacks or any other ethnic group, imagine if whites were migrating to Africa, okay?
And then they were starting to replace the black population.
Well, just look at what's happening in South Africa right now.
It's actually kind of a good example of Of what exactly I'm describing.
But they don't like it, right?
They have a very racist government in place.
And literally white farmers are attacked all the time there.
So anyways, I was just drawing a comparison there.
It's not even really the point.
The point is, Tucker brings up a lot of important ideas that the people around Trump are telling him not to talk about.
We need somebody.
We need an outsider who's willing to cover these topics.
I don't want another politician next to Donald Trump in 2024.
I'm sorry, I don't.
This is exactly the kind of rhetoric that we need to hear from the person who's going to be his running mate.
This is exactly the kind of conversations we need to have because this is the truth.
And it might be the, you know, unpopular truth or a truth that people don't want to recognize.
They want to just bury their heads in the sand.
But this is the truth.
And we have to ask the question, why is it happening?
You know, why do they not want us to talk about it, more importantly?
And what will this lead to?
Is a more diverse country actually a better country?
And that's, you know, you get called a racist just for asking that question.
But, you know, there's a reason why they throw labels at you when they don't want, like, a question that you're asking.
It's to stop you.
And so, we need somebody like Tucker who's unafraid to keep hammering those questions and digging into them.
And so another reason why I think he'd be great as VP or why I was so impressed to hear from him at this event.
And I want to go on because we're actually just getting started with some of the interesting stuff he said at this event.
He also talked about how the elites are literally burning down America.
And he's kind of alluded to this before in his heritage speech, which happened in April of 2023.
Yeah, so, you know, just this past spring.
But he talked about, I think it was right before he was fired, actually, where he was fired.
But he talked about how none of what's going on is related to politics.
This isn't a game of politics.
There are people who genuinely want to see this country burned down.
And that is what the elites seek when they allow the things to go on that do go on.
In fact, they don't just allow it, they cause it.
So here he is giving a genius speech about that very issue.
And this is a very important part of what's going on in our culture to acknowledge.
Too few people pause and ask, well, what is that?
These people live here.
They don't all have secret island getaways, especially now that Epstein is gone.
And so, if they succeed in their project of destroying the United States, where are they gonna go?
It's a little bit like burning your own house down.
So why would you do that?
That's not just an act of destruction, it's an act of self-destruction.
So is that a political program?
No.
A political program is designed to help the people who institute it and their voters and donors.
Their program helps nobody.
If you successfully convince an entire generation of young people not to have children, what you're doing is denying yourself grandchildren, which I can tell you at 54 is kind of the only thing you want.
And it's not only the only thing you want, it's the only thing that anyone has ever wanted.
Because having children and continuing the species, passing on your DNA to future generations you will never meet, is the whole point of life.
There is no other point, and there's no other accurate measure of wealth than your descendants.
One of the things I like about Tucker is that he doesn't see things from a political sphere.
This is a man who doesn't work in politics.
He works in media, which is very different.
He's a normal guy.
He has a family.
And so he's observing the world through the perspective of a man with many children and a wife.
And he can see from a 30,000-foot view what is going on to this country and what's happening to his children and what's happening to other children, meaning generations to come, and the impact that has on America, on the West.
You know, he's not just saying what people want to hear.
It is the truth.
When you tell somebody that the climate change is killing people and that they can't have kids, what kind of message are you sending?
Is that really a political argument?
Or are you just trying to stop future generations from existing?
Are you just trying to kill everyone?
Or are you justifying the government's methods of killing everyone?
These are reasonable questions we need to start asking.
And somebody like Tucker Carlson seems to see all of this and Maybe that would be corrupted after a few years in office and maybe that's why he doesn't necessarily want to be VP. We'll be talking about that a little bit more later on.
But he's correct in identifying that ultimately there is nothing but evil that exists when all you're doing is pushing for people to not reproduce.
That is literally what God put us on this planet to do.
Be fruitful.
Multiply.
Have children.
Have a legacy.
For the elites to tell us that that is wrong to want, that that is also wrong to do, we need to start addressing this crisis, these lies that are told to us.
I don't want to just hear about policy, about, oh, we're going to have a better economy, we're going to stop telling people to be transgenders, or they don't even do that really.
I think that they really watered down Donald Trump, the people around Trump, and that's why somebody like Tucker Carlson would be so useful.
Don't water him down.
Free him.
And the only way they'll be able to free Trump is if they have somebody who will actually talk about the things that matter.
Ultimately, what matters more than your family?
God, of course.
But other than that, on planet Earth, what matters more than your family?
No, nothing.
No one.
And so these are important issues that we need to address.
Why are people not having as many kids anymore?
It's really a problem that nobody seems to want to address this stuff.
And somebody like Tucker clearly isn't scared of that and clearly would make this a priority, it seems.
And I also want to play another clip very similar to what he started talking about.
Actually, I believe this was a continuation of what he was talking about right there.
And this is the fact that beauty equals truth.
Now, this is another topic that very few people recognize.
Trump did recognize this a while ago when he started talking about wanting freedom cities.
Wanting to redo the architecture, revitalize our communities.
This is exactly what he was getting at.
And Tucker was able to break it down in a more poetic way, but essentially what he's getting at is that beauty is truth.
Truth equals God, okay?
Truth is getting closer to God.
And so when you have these hideous buildings, you know, a country that's full of disgusting architecture, that's oppression.
Your environment matters.
And there's a reason why they want you to be surrounded by hideous, disgusting, oppressive architecture.
They don't want you to feel free and lively.
And they don't want you to make change in the world because they want to well oppress you.
And these are things that most candidates would never think of on their own.
And even though Donald Trump has addressed this in some capacity, I think having somebody like a Tucker Carlson by his side would really remind him how important these factors really are for human life and how important it is that if we want to remain the best region of the world, the West, that these are things we need to pay attention to, okay?
Take a look at this.
And anyone who bombards you with ugliness...
Hates you.
And we are being bombarded with ugliness, and we don't even notice.
And what do I mean by that?
I mean the physical landscape around us.
This is the most beautiful country in the face of the earth, and I can say that with some, I think, certainty, having been to many, many countries.
We have the best-looking country.
And the way things look really matters.
If you raise a child in an isolation room, what happens to the child?
He becomes completely disabled.
If you love your children, you raise them with lots of visual stimuli and beautiful things so they will be inquisitive and bright-eyed and cheerful.
The uglier you make an environment, the more you oppress the people who live in the environment.
And it can't be accidental because what is beauty?
Beauty is truth.
The truer something is, the more beautiful it is.
The most beautiful things were made by God.
Period.
The most beautiful things are in no museum.
They're nature.
They're trees and leaves and grass.
They're animals.
They're your dog's face.
There's no painting in the Louvre that's half as beautiful as your dog's face.
That's not a sentimental statement.
That's a reflection of fact.
And if I'm lying, find one.
There isn't one.
And all great art is the closest approximation people can get to the things that God made.
That's what it is.
And the most beautiful thing of all, of course, is people.
A person's face.
I'd say a woman's face, but opinions may differ.
But the human face is the most beautiful thing.
So to the extent they deface that, literally deface that, to the extent they make our environment uglier, they're trying to hurt us and they are serving evil.
I mean, let him cook.
That part of the speech really intrigued me and he went on, but that was my favorite, favorite part of the whole speech.
Because that is what life is all about.
Politics, we get lost in the game.
You know, we sit there and we get mad at our enemy or we start getting wrapped up in the details.
But at the end of the day, what is life about other than getting closer to God?
Or what should it be about getting closer to God?
Beauty.
How do you get closer to God?
Beauty.
Beauty is truth.
Truth is God.
The Word of God.
What are all of us doing here?
We are God's creations.
From, you know, your goldfish to your son to yourself.
These are all of God's creations.
And if we fail to protect that, if we fail to stop the elites from oppressing that, from changing that, literally changing that, literally maiming that, that's what they're doing when they perform these tranny surgeries.
And that's just a small example of how they maim us.
They do that in many ways.
But if we fail to protect that, then ultimately what are we?
Well, we're nothing.
We're just an ugly, oppressive place, a disgusting environment that harbors nothing but evil.
And we are at risk of turning into that in the West.
And so having someone like Tucker remind Donald Trump of that, because as much as I love Trump, and I really do, I think oftentimes the wrong people are around him and they tell him.
He loses sight of the big picture because people around him are constantly trying to cloud his judgment and tell him what he should say to appeal to a more moderate base or to cater to so-and-so.
No.
No.
Get back to the basics.
What is life about?
Family, God, the truth.
And I think that that was incredibly spot on by Tucker.
Now sadly, the people usually that you want in power aren't the people who seek it.
They tend to be the most humble, the most genuine.
But they refuse the opportunity to be in power, and I understand that.
I don't know if I'd ever want to be VP. I don't think I will.
I don't desire to be in politics.
I don't really think it's a place for women to be in general.
But even for men, I think it could be a really disgusting atmosphere, and people as genuine as Tucker tend to want to stay out of it.
They don't want to be corrupted by it.
They don't want to be around it.
And this is him essentially answering that question.
And honestly, I was incredibly impressed by his humility.
And I tweeted this out, but ironically, despite the fact that we may want him to be VP for these very reasons, his humility, right?
That is why he never would seek out that title.
And so here he is answering that question.
And answering that little boy with the Gadsden flag, he actually asked the question.
I thought this was a really great response.
And also...
Would you consider being vice president for Trump?
It's funny you ask.
So, thank you for asking me, Jayden.
And it's funny that you paired those two questions together because they have the same answer.
So you asked, would I ever consider doing kids programming?
And would I consider entering politics?
And there's a phrase in Western Maine that I just love.
I don't know nothing about that stuff.
That's the phrase.
And I feel that way.
I feel like there's this weird temptation for people when they, like, do something for, I mean, I've done the same job a little bit for 32 years.
So, you know, and you get good at something if you do it enough.
You know what I mean?
That's why you want to go to the knee doctor who does it eight times a day.
And if you, you know, get to middle age and you're like, oh, I've been, you know, relatively successful in my own stupid field.
I'm good at this.
I think I'd also be a great landscape painter or hip-hop artist or movie producer.
You've got to shake yourself and say, no, actually, that's a very recognizable syndrome that afflicts mostly men, but also Nikki Haley, who may or may not be real, which is called hubris.
Hubris!
And hubris means the belief that you are God and that you're somehow good at everything.
And I don't believe in that at all.
And I check that impulse in myself on a daily basis.
I'm a talk show host.
That's what I do.
And I talk about the world and my dumb ideas and politicians and the hijinks that they're up to.
And I fulminate and scowl and stare blankly into the camera.
And, you know, I enjoy doing that.
I think I'm pretty good at it.
How could I not be?
It's all I've ever done.
But...
One thing I have never done, probably not very good at, is making children's programming.
I have a lot of children.
Didn't allow them to watch TV, so I have no idea what kids watch.
And politics, while I've followed it all my life, of course, with every passing year I become more repulsed because it becomes ever more repulsive.
And I don't just mean the system, just to be totally clear on this, I don't just mean the system of politics, I mean the actual people who participate in it because I know them personally.
And with some, with real exceptions.
I mean, I have a couple friends in politics, amazingly.
But in general, I think they're probably the worst people in our society, which, and there's got to be a name for this, a country of great people run by the worst people.
It also describes the US military.
The best people led by the worst?
And I honestly, I don't think I could be around that.
I mean, I think it's absolutely important, maybe like historically important, for Trump not to be stopped by this totally immoral, country-changing political vendetta.
You cannot use the Justice Department to knock the frontrunner out of the race on fake charges.
Period.
And if you allow that, you're done.
Okay?
So there's that.
And you also can't allow a political party to choose a senile guy to, quote, run your country, when every single person knows he's not running the country because he's senile.
And no one's allowed to say so, because it's mean.
Stop.
So I do think that's super important.
It's just impossible to imagine myself ever getting involved in something like that, and not because I'm afraid, because I'm not afraid at all.
I don't really care what happens to me, and I mean that.
I mean that.
But because, how would I be good at that?
Do you know what I mean?
I just, I don't think I would.
And I also, I think, I mean, I just can't imagine myself at a fundraiser or something, and somebody would be like, well, actually, Zelensky is a lot like Churchill.
And I just couldn't sit through, I don't care how much money you're giving me, Zelensky is not like Churchill.
Okay?
Zelensky has tried to get my country where my children live in a nuclear war.
And anyone who tries to get my children in a nuclear war is my enemy.
And so I couldn't sit through that meal without making Ken Griffin mad.
Oh, Ken Griffin, I'm a billionaire.
Oh, shut up.
You know nothing.
And I've watched it.
I interviewed a presidential candidate at one point who, like, said, what do you think of Ukraine?
Oh, well, I think, you know, Ukraine is a sad regional conflict.
I don't think Russia should have invaded.
Fine.
But it's not in our core national interest.
Well, that's obviously true.
And Ken Griffin calls a guy up and is like, you can't say that!
And he's, like, issues a statement the next day, like, I can't say that.
Actually, Ukraine is really important.
Zelensky's Churchill.
I'm not naming names, but I will say I thought that was disgusting.
And I liked the guy who did it, by the way.
That's disgusting.
You should be ashamed.
You're a grown man, and you're taking orders from some moron, some guy who doesn't know anything, who may be good at, you know, investing.
It doesn't mean you're a good person.
It definitely doesn't mean you're wise.
Wealth is not a measure of wisdom, and wisdom is all that matters if you're running things.
So I just can't imagine.
Anyway, one last question.
Thank you so much.
Did he not just say everything that you're thinking or that you would want in somebody who is vice president at the very least in some form of power?
I mean that is exactly the kind of person he articulated exactly how we feel about Ukraine, about these foreign wars.
About politicians, the most disgusting, vile people on the planet.
And I know them.
I know them.
As somebody who works in media, for many, many years, I've had to deal with these people.
They are the fakest, most vile people.
And there are people in media who use media as a platform to be able to run for office.
And they suck too.
Most of the people suck in this industry.
Politics and media.
And so Tucker's standing here telling us all the things that are true about that.
And yet he denies that he wants to be, well, he doesn't want to be, this whole thing.
He would deny, he just said there, being VP. He would not say yes to being vice president of the United States, or at least being Trump's running mate.
And that makes total sense to me.
I think he's making the right decision in the sense that he's humble enough to realize that, you know, just because you're good at one thing doesn't mean you're going to be good at everything.
But I also think that those are usually the people who, ironically enough, do tend to be the best at everything.
At least they tend to be the people that you want to be in power.
And so that's the irony in all of it.
But anyway, I myself am personally a fan of him being VP. And I think that he's done a lot to shift the Overton window in his own respective career.
Meaning in mainstream media.
Because you have to understand, he worked for Fox, okay?
It's not like he worked for the Stu Peters Network or any of these other dissident right companies.
He worked for Fox.
And he said all that stuff about Ukraine, the vaccine.
That's pretty much considered as far right as it gets on Fox News.
So as far as somebody who works relative to the environment he was in, he really did help shift...
The Overton window in mainstream media.
Because Fox is mainstream.
And as a result, we're not talking about being anti-Ukraine, even pro-Russia, on places like the Stu Peters Network.
And same thing with Israel.
Tucker's not pro-Israel.
He's not pro-going to war for another country.
And those are things that you could never say.
But he's helped in that way.
And that's the kind of guy I want to help run this country.
But ironically enough, he's not the kind of guy that would seek to.
So on that note, and the second part of the show, I do want to go ahead and talk about what actually seems to be going on as far as Trump's pick for VP and kind of what's being said behind closed doors about who they are expecting.
And I don't really like the reasoning.
That they're coming up with, but it is reality.
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Let's go ahead and see what you guys are saying in the chat.
What are you talking?
Pedos, especially gay pedos, are blessed.
What?
The Pope says that?
Ugh.
One of the reasons I'm not Catholic anymore.
I'm Christian.
Dan Dreyer says, Hi Anna's mom, if you are watching.
Dad too, of course.
I don't know if they're watching.
I haven't seen them in the chat.
Golden Bolt.
So 1776, our founding fathers took us out of feudalism and put us in the first attempt of individual freedom for humanity and recorded history.
Autocrats want their power back, but accordingly.
That makes sense, golden bold.
Actually, a very good analysis of that.
AlanS333 says, tack, pee, pray for him and bless him.
When you do, Jesus dumps hot burning coals in his head, then move on because Jesus has a lot of things for you to do.
EjackH says, come back, Anna.
I'm here, Ejack, great to see you.
Someone was talking about me earlier, calling me a grifter, which is hilarious because I have...
I have ruined many jobs by speaking the truth, so if anybody's a grifter, you're not going to find it here.
Believe me.
If I wanted to be a grifter, I could have been, and I could have been a lot richer than I am, okay?
Chief Chirper, which is not at all, by the way.
I'm not rich.
Chief Chirper says, Tucker is fire.
Forget VP. He should run the show for real.
Many are saying this.
Many are saying this, at least eventually.
Tackleberry1187 says, Hey, Anna, hope you got to spend some time with your family.
You will get to spend some time with your family this next week.
Yes, I'm going home for Christmas 100%.
Really excited to see my family.
It's been...
Well, I haven't seen this since Thanksgiving, so it hasn't been that long.
Feels like a while, though.
I used to go home like once a month when I was less busy and I wasn't traveling as much.
So for me, this is a long time.
I like to see my family as much as possible.
Let's see.
Anna, will you have Ryan Matt on?
Says, I hate Mark Zuckerberg.
I like that username.
Yes, of course I will.
Ryan's a good friend of mine.
I've aired a few interviews, actually, on this show from him.
So I'll have him on again.
He's awesome.
He's one of my best friends.
Iris Hannah Aguilar says, I defended you, Anna.
Thank you, Hannah.
Thank you, thank you.
I really appreciate that.
You guys really do have my back.
I'm very grateful for that.
E-Jack.
H says, come back to the Catholic Church is what I meant.
Yeah.
Oh, I see what you were talking about.
I thought you were talking about come back from the commercial break.
I was like, E-Jack, it's just one minute.
But yeah, I've gotten that from a lot of my Catholic friends, which is funny.
I actually...
I grew up with a lot of Catholics.
And then when I started going to school, it was mostly Christians that I knew.
And now it's mostly Catholics again.
I feel like there's this resurgence of Catholicism among Gen Z. So that's been really interesting and good to watch because I do think it's genuine.
And that's good.
Come back from Arizona, says John Smith.
I am.
I'm back right now.
The Yellow Kazoo says, who's Ryan?
Ryan Gerdusky?
No, Yellow.
Yeah, Ryan Grodowski is a friend of ours from Spaces, but I was actually talking about Ryan Matta, who's a journalist.
He's a good friend of mine.
He still has a show on LFA, and we went to the border together, so he's awesome.
I'll definitely have him on.
LNS333 says, Anna, you sound so funny.
Catholics are Christians, too.
Of course, of course, I know that they're Christians.
I grew up Catholic.
But you know what I meant?
What I meant is Protestants.
Not Christians, but you know what I'm saying.
But believe me, I know.
I grew up Christian.
I mean, I grew up Catholic, so I'm aware of that, of course.
Adam Riley says, Anna, I just want to say that I love your show and I think what you're doing is absolutely fabulous.
Keep up the good work.
I also listen to Dan Bongino in the morning, InfoWars, and I've never missed.
Well, thank you.
I'm very grateful for that, Adam Riley.
Thank you.
Very sweet.
All right, so we are running out of time, so I do want to go ahead and move on.
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I want to talk about some things that they're talking about as it pertains to who's really going to be Trump's VP. Now, Trump actually addressed this issue a little bit earlier this year in September.
Where he said, look, basically, I'm looking at all the people who are running against me in 2024, and honestly, not a chance that any of these people would be my VP. So you can get all of those people out of the way, if that's what you're wondering.
If anybody who's running against him could possibly wind up being his running mate, I know a lot of people talking about Vivek being his running mate.
I don't think that's going to be the case after hearing what he said here.
This was back in September.
It's all over television, this speech.
You know, we're competing with the job candidates.
They're all running for a job.
No, they're all job candidates.
They want to be in the...
They want to...
They'll do anything.
Secretary of something.
They even say VP. I don't know.
Does anybody see any VP in the group?
I don't think so.
No, no, we're...
Can you imagine?
Can you imagine?
Yeah, so clearly he's not interested in any of the people that are debating on stage while he's laughing at them because clearly they're losers and the only person who's kind of interesting is Vivek and that's that we're not even sure how genuine he is.
I will say that I do like the things that he says.
Again, It's questionable what his background is.
But that's pretty much always the case, it seems, these days.
You can't get away from it.
But look, the point of me saying that is that we can basically take that out of the equation.
So then it comes down to who will it be?
Well, Steve Bannon discussed the possibility of Tucker Carlson being his VP on Sean Spicer's show, Out of All People.
And they were discussing this issue, and one of the things that Steve Bannon said was that he thinks it's going to be a woman.
Now, I despise this idea that we're going to hire somebody based off of their gender, another diversity hire.
But nonetheless, this was essentially the conversation that they had.
And sadly, probably what the people around Trump are forcing him to do.
So this is the sad reality of the conversation surrounding who's going to be VP. Let's just start with Tucker Carlson.
Would he make a good vice president?
I think Tucker would make a great vice president.
Why?
Because I think he's got a very clear vision of what MAGA and America First are.
He's got a very clear vision of the policies of it.
He's savvy in politics.
And he's got something that's so important today is the ability to communicate.
Trump shows us, more than anything, the ability to communicate those ideas to a mass audience is very important.
If you ask me he was a likely candidate now, I don't think so.
Because I am adamant, or not adamant, my thinking is very structured that I believe President Trump will have a female as the right candidate.
Yes.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
When people pitch Tim Scott and Carson, who I love, Tim Scott's a good man, Tucker, I say they're all terrific.
But I think we've got to start looking at that list of 10 people that are females.
And I think President Trump- So give me that list.
Well, I think it's people like, well, this is why I think it's very important for America First to make sure it ain't Nikki Haley.
Alright, so I don't like the reasoning there.
I don't like this idea that it has to be a woman.
I mean, Steve Bannon, it's not his decision.
I think he's saying what he thinks will happen.
But I do think that I wouldn't be happy.
I don't like the reasoning.
I don't like the idea that, oh, it should be a woman.
Like, for what reason?
Oh, because you want to look like you're going along with this idea that, oh, we have to be diverse.
We have to make sure we include women.
I don't like that.
But of course, that's not exactly surprising that the people around Trump would want him to do that.
But what I do like about that is that it could be Carrie Lake.
I think Carrie Lake is a good fighter.
I think she's articulate.
And I do think she'd make a good VP. Would I prefer Tucker?
Yeah, probably.
But I don't know.
It's interesting because Carrie Lake is also running for Senate in Arizona.
So I don't know.
We'll have to see what happens until then.
But I do think that he's considering Carrie Lake.
I think personally that could be who it is.
I don't think it's going to be Tucker.
And the reason why I don't think it's going to be Tucker is not even because Trump wouldn't want him.
First of all, I think the people around him are going to sway him away from Tucker because Tucker's far too honest.
But, like, as we just went through, because he's a very honest, very articulate, very analytical person who cares about the truth, and the bad people around Trump don't want that, right?
And I also think they're going to try and push for a woman for diversity purposes.
Carrie Lake, I do like her.
Hopefully it's not Nikki Haley.
I can see them being as devious as pushing for somebody like Nikki Haley, but I don't think it will be.
Luckily, I think that would be too upsetting for his base.
So from a purely unbiased political perspective, yeah, I think it could be It's going to be a woman.
Obviously, I do agree with that.
I think that's, unfortunately, the prism they're looking at it through, the diversity prism.
And it could be Carrie Lake, who I wouldn't be upset at.
I like Carrie Lake very much.
I'm just saying I don't like the reasoning of getting there.
If it were because, oh, we think she's great and articulate and smart and whatever, I'd say, okay, great.
That should be the reasoning because she is very smart.
But yeah, that's where we're at.
Probably won't be Tucker.
Though with all of that said, I do think he would make a great future VP. The question is whether or not he's going to want to do it.
And I don't think he is.
I think he's too pure for that.
I think he's too good of a person for that.
I think he's better than that, dare I say.
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