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Dec. 10, 2023 - Stew Peters Show
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JESUS. GUNS. AND BABIES. w/ Dr. Kandiss Taylor ft Shelly Winter
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Hey everybody, welcome to Jesus, Guns, and Babies.
I'm your host, Dr.
Candice Taylor, and I have a great guest today.
He is awesome.
You're going to love it.
We're going to start with Scripture, Proverbs 22, 6.
Train up a child in the way he should go, and even when he is old, he will not depart from it.
That means a lot to me today because my oldest is at college, and he's being affected by liberal professors, and he's standing up for Life and against abortion.
And he's standing up for truth.
And I'm thinking I did something right.
So I believe this verse and I stand on this verse.
So Proverbs 22, 6.
And I'm going to welcome my guest, Mr.
Shelley Winters to Jesus, Guns and Babies.
Welcome, Shelley.
Well, thank you for having me, Candice.
I appreciate it very much.
I thank you for coming.
I was on your show.
Shelly is a talk show host in Atlanta.
He has a big following, and he had me on graciously when I was running for governor.
And so we got to be friends, and you're awesome.
And anyway, I just thought, you know what?
I want to have Shelly on Jesus, Gens, and Babies so we can talk and get to know each other more.
Absolutely.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
So I want you to talk to everybody, kind of tell them who you are and your background.
We know we had a big loss this week.
Our Georgia Bulldogs got beat by Alabama.
And it was funny because we both hopped on here.
I'm wearing a Georgia shirt.
You're wearing a Georgia shirt and hat.
I said, we're still in it, even though we lost.
Absolutely.
Well, my name is Shelly Winter.
As you said, I host a show on 95.5 WSB here in Atlanta, Monday through Friday, 7 p.m.
to 10 p.m.
every night.
And I'm from New York originally.
I'm originally a carpetbagger here in the South.
And that's really it.
What else do I... That's really it.
That verse is my favorite verse.
Didn't know it verbatim, but I do believe I was raised that way.
I went to church every Sunday up until I went to college.
And...
Even after college, messing up in life, making bad decisions because of the way I was raised in church, in the Bible, with moral and upstanding parents and grandparents.
Whatever mistakes I made, God kept me alive so I can redeem myself, if you will.
That's me.
When did you move to Georgia, Shaley?
How old were you?
I was, man, I was late to moving to Georgia.
I got a job.
I worked for a company that sold advertising for Fox-owned and operated stations.
And the New York office sent me to Atlanta to fill in because someone was leaving.
And so I came down.
There was a plan.
I was staying.
They put me up in the hotel.
Sorry.
They put me up in a hotel there at Roswell and Piedmont because the offices are right across the street.
Supposed to be a temporary thing, but I fell in love with the city and I didn't really like the job that much.
So I resigned from the job, moved to Atlanta, stayed in Atlanta and got a job here in Atlanta and have been here ever since.
But I probably was in my late 20s, maybe early 30s when I moved down here.
So you grew up in New York.
I grew up raised in Harlem, New York.
Yes, ma'am.
So tell us, can you talk about your, I'm so glad you fell in love with Georgia.
That shows like people love the South when they get here.
They just love it.
So tell us about growing up and your parents and how politics were for you as a child.
Well, we, you know, growing up, my family is West Indian.
My grandfather was from Turks and Caicos Island.
My grandmother was from Kingston, Jamaica.
My father's side of the family is entirely from Jamaica.
So, you know, I'm second generation in America.
My mom was born in New York.
I was born in New York.
And so growing up as a very religious family, a very tight-knit family, very family-oriented.
And they were conservative in the sense that they were social conservatives.
They believed in working hard.
They believed in, you know, getting up every day, getting an education, marrying, staying married, all of those things.
They You know, they believed in and we were raised under that entire family.
My mom, I mean, my grandma, her sisters, my mom, her cousins, and myself and my cousins, we were all raised the same way.
Now, you know, we've strayed, some of us may have strayed, you know, a year or two or three years or whatever, but we always came back to what we were raised, how we were raised.
Politics growing up was essentially One of, it wasn't really, I don't remember it being that big a discussion in the house, in either my grandparents' house, my aunts' and uncles' houses, homes.
Mostly growing up, the conversation was, get your education, get your education, get your education.
They didn't really care, necessarily, your politics.
They cared about your values, which they instilled in us.
They cared about your morals, which they instilled in us.
But the conversation mostly was around education.
I didn't really get into politics until probably...
I really started getting into politics when Clinton was impeached.
I didn't...
I mean, I voted Democrat because that's...
We all voted Democrat in New York City.
But...
And African American and being in New York City, we all voted Democrat.
But I didn't really start paying attention probably until Clinton...
Maybe around the time he won because it was such an outlier.
He was this guy no one had really seen coming and then he won the presidency.
As a younger man, we thought he was kind of cool because he played instruments and he was younger looking and he had a bit of a personality with him.
This was before the women came out, all that stuff came out, to the average voter, not to the people that followed politics.
So when the impeachment came, that's when I really started paying attention because I was like, wow, this is interesting.
They're really going to impeach this guy over this thing, which I always thought was something between he and his wife.
It had nothing to do with the politics of the day.
Obviously, everything is politics, but back then, that's what I looked at it as.
And that's when I started paying more attention.
Then I started to realize that, you know what, all the things that I've been raised as and on, the values, the morals, everything else, strong education, family, I realized, wow, the Democrat Party doesn't really talk about those things.
This part, the Republican Party does.
But it wasn't until I moved down here was I able to interact with people on a regular basis, black, white, old, young, didn't matter, who kind of felt the same way I did.
And so that's when I really dove into politics.
And right around that time, I got an opportunity to get a radio show on an African-American news and talk station, WAOK, I got a show on there and now I'm here at WSB and, you know, still talking.
You know, you said so many interesting things.
My grandparents were Democrats and they voted for Bill Clinton, loved him, and they really didn't change until, I would say, maybe during the Bush time.
with 9/11 and all that, they kind of changed and went Republican during that time.
But I mean, for years they were Democrats too because Democrat Party seemingly represented working class and was trying to protect us from the elite who wanted to take our money and let us just work for it.
And what's interesting for me, when I learned about the Republican Party and I felt like Republicans were my values when I was in middle school and high school, And sometime in there, I thought, you know what?
But Lincoln was a Democrat because he freed the slaves because I knew Black people voted Democrat.
And I remember one of my teachers saying, no, Lincoln was a Republican.
And I went, why are the black people supporting the Democrat Party if Lincoln was a Republican?
And I remember that being the shift in me that thought, Democrats are liars because Lincoln is the one that wanted to free the slaves.
And so that was kind of a pivotal moment in my thinking because I totally just knew that Lincoln had to have been a Democrat, right?
Because Black people vote Democrat.
Right.
So, I don't know, like, I don't know if you want to respond to that, but that was kind of...
No, I do.
I do.
It's, you know, it's a lot more complicated than that.
And I tell Republicans all the time...
The argument, that argument is a good argument as to why we should look at the, when I say we as African Americans, should look at the Republican Party, but that can't be the argument as to why we vote Republican.
Oh no, that was my baby mom.
No, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I know.
That little thinking, you know, as a kid.
Right.
No, no, I get it.
I get it.
I'm just kind of going back and moving forward.
But they still say that.
I know people still say that.
Right, right.
Yeah.
And so moving forward, it's a thing where when Martin Luther King, here in the South in particular, when Martin Luther King was arrested and he was jailed in, I think it was Macon, Macon, Georgia.
And a mob, a small mob, was growing outside the jail cell.
His father, Dr.
King, who was a Republican, and as most of his contemporaries would have been based on what you said and everything, He called the Kennedys on the phone and said, hey, I need to get my son out of jail because he's not going to last through the night.
I think it was making, I may be wrong on the location.
I think it was in Georgia.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I might be wrong, but I know it was in Georgia.
And so they got him out and...
Allegedly, and probably more than likely, the plan or the deal, if you will, that was cut was that African Americans would move on to the Democrats for Kennedy.
I've always believed that it wasn't a party decision, but it was a principle, meaning one person.
Hey, we will vote for Kennedy because you helped us.
Or you help this young man, or you help the group, or you help a lot of people.
By doing that, they helped a lot of people indirectly.
So...
I always thought it was not intended to be a 50-, 60-year relationship.
It was intended to be a one-, not a one-off, but a candidate.
Hey, let's vote for this guy because he's on our side.
He wants to do civil rights.
He wants to move voting rights forward and things like that.
So it wasn't intended.
The intention was never to be all on the Democratic Party or any party.
I tell people all the time, if you represent 13% of the population, Which is what African Americans represent.
13% of the population.
It is in your best interest.
It is actually in your best interest to stay in the middle and pick a player, not a team.
So this year I may vote for Trump.
Next year I may vote for Newsom.
I go back and forth.
Not me personally.
I'm saying that's if you represent 13% of the population.
That's how you should really look at voting.
Because voting for one side It allows one side to ignore you because they know you're going to vote for them.
And the other side, I mean, one side to take advantage of you and the other side to ignore you.
And so I tell African Americans that I speak to, I'd love for you to consider the Republican Party, but ideally you should stand in the middle and ask both sides, what are you going to do for me?
What are you going to do for me?
And then I make a decision on whom I'm going to vote for, not what party I'm going to vote for.
No, that's good wisdom.
And I mean, I had not heard that about, I knew that Kennedy and Martin Luther King were friends or alliances or whatever, but I did not know that one incident, which is very interesting because I'm from Georgia and I'm from South Georgia.
I know a lot about him and I have a distant cousin who is still in D.C., but he was actually personal friends with Dr.
King.
And then I met, you know, Dr.
Alveda King.
I just love his family.
I love his story and his passion and him standing up for humanity.
And that's key what you just said, standing up for humanity.
And that's exactly what he did.
Yeah, he's a humanitarian.
And he, right now, with how much, you know, just racially charged things that are being pushed by the media to make people hate each other, he would be completely appalled by it.
And he would also be fighting right now for our voting rights.
He would be fighting for fair legal voting and he would be saying, listen, this is all that matters.
And I know that because he wanted to keep our constitutional republic and he wanted people to be treated fairly.
Right, right, exactly.
What's interesting is going on now alongside that comment you made is what we're finding out now, a lot of people are finding out now that the justice system in this country is unfair.
It is weighted.
It's unfair.
It's personality driven.
It's not legally driven.
You can use the law to get people you don't like You can use the law to punish people you don't like.
And what I'm telling people to start paying attention to is, if you have been voting Democrat all your life, and you're, say, African American, but let's say you're just a regular human being voting Democrat all your life, you have shouted from the rooftops about the unfairness in the justice system for decades.
Well, now everyone in the entire country is seeing the unfairness in the justice system nationally and every other way.
And so now it's time for us to come together, forget party affiliation, and come together and say, how do we fix this problem?
Because what I say is...
If you can unfairly target a rich billionaire white guy that you've loved for 30 years until he ran for president and I'm talking about the media and people like the Clintons and people like that and you can charge him with RICO charges In Georgia or hiding papers in Florida or whatever, if you can charge him, then I know little Pookie on the corner has no chance of survival within that same justice system.
And if you can dislike a guy because of his politics, I'm certain people can be disliked because of their gender, because of their sexuality, because of their religion.
Because of the color of their skin.
And now that everyone's seeing that, I think it's time that we start to come together as a country and let people see, hey, whether you like Trump or not, you've got to understand, or you've got to admit this guy's being treated unfairly.
No differently than some young African American kid in some urban community across the country may be treated unfairly also.
Yeah, you know, Shelly, you mentioned some really important things because even in Georgia, we have a very bad prison system.
I'm going to say bad, meaning that we have a lot of illegal drugs being brought in.
We have officers being killed.
We have inmates being killed.
We don't have a good mental health system.
I mean, I have a PhD in counseling, so mental health is huge for me.
We had this mental health bill that they've tried to pass twice.
The first time they called it 1013, which was very bad taste, and I was appalled.
Because 1013 is actually the code we use when we inpatient, you know, mandatory inpatient treatment someone for suicidal ideation or for completely psychotic break.
And so I thought, how distasteful to name it, 1013.
But anyway, they came back up and I think it was called 520 last session.
It didn't pass.
And there's some good things in it, but there's some horrible things in it, too.
That really could infringe on you and I, because we can be labeled insane for believing conservatively now.
So I don't like it, but we have to do something about mental health.
And one thing is, 10 years ago, we closed treatment facilities all over the state.
9,000 residents were released on the street, and there's still 90% of them that are either dead or still on the street.
And so they were, you know, severe psychosis, you know, schizophrenic that could not function without lithium.
And you have like severe breaks and people and they were just shoved on the street and they cannot function without their medication regulated.
And we are still suffering from that.
And then we have a huge epidemic of drugs and fentanyl and everything that's happened.
And so our jails have become the holding place for addicts.
And I know because my brothers had suffered from addiction.
He's already been to prison once he's gone back for like six more months for petty theft because he wants to get drugs.
He is not violent.
He is a drug addict.
He has got a sickness.
He needs help.
And he's been to 13 facilities.
He's not ever been successful.
He'll be successful for about a year, six months.
And then he's back on drugs again.
And this is a cycle that every family is touched by.
It perpetuates.
And so it has our prison system fragile.
These inmates that are in there and they're not hardened criminals.
You have somebody with three life sentences.
They make you join a gang.
They're raping you.
They're killing people right in front of you.
Hiding the bodies in the prison.
They find them days later.
I mean, it's horrific.
And that same passion I have for mental health, I have for the prison system.
And if we don't fix it, then it's inhumane.
To me, we're locking people up.
When we lock somebody up, we're taking their life in our hands.
And so we have to be protective of that system and make sure that it's secure and safe.
And so it's not.
It's not right now.
And I don't know what the answer is, but we do have a problem in Georgia with mental health and it is totally impacting our prison and jail system.
Absolutely.
You're absolutely right.
I always found it odd, and this happened all across the country in the 80s, mid-80s, going into the late part of the last, you know, in the 1900s, 20th century.
Yeah, 20th century.
In that we cut mental health funding, nationally, federally, cities did it, counties did it, and it was regardless of party affiliation, who was in charge, all of that stuff.
It was just a decision made when money got tight to cut mental health.
And I always found it odd because it's like, well, what do you think is going to happen not Let's take ourselves out of our concern for people who have mental health for just a second.
But what do you think is going to happen to society if you release a whole bunch of people who have mental health issues?
How do you think they're going to impact in normal society?
And so that's what I always found interesting, that when they cut the budgets for mental health.
And here in Georgia, we did it, and I didn't agree with it then either.
But I also understand I gotta find another way.
I can't just lock them down.
But, you know, but I think...
Letting them live under controlled medication and getting their medicine and letting them live a fairly normal life is better than locking them up in the jail.
And we've got to do better about that because we're seeing the ramifications of it.
Not only in the crime rates, we're seeing it in our schools.
Many of these are...
Somewhat, they may be parents, they may be in a household, they're influencing children.
So we've got to do better.
And I think it's probably, besides what I call choice, educational choice, I think mental health and mental health government, control of mental health by the government is probably our number two issue in this country.
That we have to deal with.
And we keep putting it to the side for other things, like sending billions to foreign countries and taking care of, you know, people who get contracts to do the roads over and over and over again.
I mean, there's so many things we could point to that we could say, look, can we pull some money to overhear the mental health concerns?
Yeah, I mean, I'm like, let's get a train system in Atlanta.
Let's do something to help with the traffic that's not, like you're saying, keeping on having to just pour the money in these interstates over and over and over, and you're sitting in traffic still for hours.
It's not fixing the problem.
It's a Band-Aid.
Right.
And it's not that in all the big cities.
It's not just Atlanta.
It's everywhere.
It's all the same.
It's the same problems everywhere.
And I get, from a political standpoint, I get the problem.
I understand where your priorities must lay in certain areas and when things...
I get that.
But I think that we need to make a concerted effort for mental health to be a priority.
And I'm told, just like the previous two sessions, I'm told at this session that those bills...
In some iteration are going to come back up and hopefully they get passed.
And hopefully they have teeth.
Yeah.
And I hope they get them fixed.
And we need to be real specific.
I had actually a District 1 meeting with my 15 counties this week.
And we talked about we have to do something with mental health, but we cannot have it where they're going to come back on the back end with our restricting our gun rights.
We can't have it where they're going to come up on the back end and say that if two people say you're crazy, they could put you in an asylum.
No, we can't do that.
But you're right, Shelly, we can't just lock everybody up forever.
We've got to have balance.
So we have to have them where they can see someone for counseling and for med management and get them stabilized.
And for us to be able to get someone stabilized, we have to have a facility to do it.
And I know working with students, you know, you'll have suicidal ideation.
You can't find anywhere to take them.
And they have a plan of how they're going to kill themselves.
And you cannot find anywhere to take them because we are so desperate for mental health in Georgia.
Right.
Exactly.
Well said.
Well said.
What about the homeless?
What do you see there in Atlanta?
Do you think it's gotten worse or better?
It's gotten worse and it's for the reasons we just detailed.
It's mostly mental health.
It's mostly addiction.
It's mostly...
It's not...
Let me kind of peel that back a little bit.
When I say mostly, I'm speaking kind of It's hyperbolically, like, you know, mostly.
But many homeless right now with this Biden economy are working class families, working families and working class people.
And they're living out of cars.
But the vast majority of people that I'm seeing in my travels that are homeless are people dealing with mental health issues.
You do have, but however, you do have families out there who are dealing with homelessness because of rising prices.
Atlanta, the metro Atlanta region and city of Atlanta has the highest income inequality in the country.
So you have a lot of people that live in the city of Atlanta living in $750,000, $800,000 condos.
And the guy that's working for them or serving them a Subway sandwich at lunch can't afford to live in Atlanta anymore.
And so we've got to look at that seriously.
Again, it goes back to what are our priorities as a country?
You know, I go back to W. Bush days when they coined the phrase compassionate conservatism.
I believe in that.
I believe that our ideas are better ideas, and our idea is also a better position to service people long term In the problems that they face as opposed to giving them a check and letting them go on and continue to collect a check, not fixing the underlying problems.
show when I was running for office and they were saying that I was more of a in the middle on so many issues that are humanitarian issues I said yeah because I'm a humanitarian right and they were like but you're so far right on other stuff and I'm like you know I just believe the bible and Jesus and I just believe our constitution was founded on our ability to worship him and be free And I just want to be free.
And if you don't want to worship Jesus, then you're free to do whatever you want to.
But I want our rights intact.
I don't want them infringed upon.
I don't want, you know, for a charge that's for the mafia to be applied to my president.
I don't, you know, I just want to be free.
And what they don't understand is when we're sitting down and we're not saying anything and we're not using our voice, then we have, you know, this kind of things happen by corrupt judges and corrupt DAs.
Let me tell you, again, so...
You're absolutely correct.
I've been told the same thing.
I've been called a liberal moron because of some of the opinions that I've shared on my show.
What I don't understand is when people think that way, when you're talking about helping the homeless...
How can it possibly be a partisan issue to help the homeless?
When you're talking about mental health, how can it possibly be a partisan issue to help people with mental health issues?
Now, what becomes partisan is what we might possibly do to help them.
Whether we lock them down, whether we put them in some kind of containment, whatever.
That becomes partisan, how we help.
But it can't be possible any way, shape or form We're good to go.
And millions of people got caught up in that.
Millions of people cannot afford to live where they live anymore because people made a choice to vote for one guy or another.
And that's provable.
It's factual.
Going to the RICO charges on President Trump, one of the things I tell people...
Don't use Donald Trump's case as the example of DA's that are out of control.
Use the teachers' cheating scandal before this case under Paul Howard, who DA Fonnie Willis beat.
Use that as the example.
That happened in Atlanta.
Teachers changed test scores for children.
I'm not defending it.
It was wrong.
They should have been fired.
But that's all that should have happened to them.
They should have been fired.
They should have been never allowed to teach again.
But to charge them under RICO because they all cheated and they got bonuses and make it a financial crime was just outlandish.
And that's the example that we should use because the same DA's office that convicted some teachers Under RICO charges is right now going after a young rap gang or record label, depending on who you're talking to, for the same RICO charges.
They're also applying that same charge to a former president saying that a whole group of people that were tied to him acted as a gang to overturn an election.
So all three disparate groups of people all have these huge charges being charged that can ruin people's lives financially, socially, economically, every way you can ruin these people's lives.
They've done it to teachers, they're doing it to rappers now, or gang members, however you want to describe it, and they're doing it to a former president.
The same DA's office.
In all three cases, it's all politically motivated.
None of it has anything to do with law and order.
Not the teachers, not the gang, not President Trump.
Yeah, I hope they come back, the General Assembly, and look at this RICO law when they get back in session.
I hope they're brave enough to do that, and I've been talking to the legislators about it, and I hope that they do, because it's been abused, and it's not been used in the right way.
But I'll say one of the people indicted Never met President Trump.
Doesn't know even all these people that are affiliated, but yet she's being charged too and faces prison time.
You can't make sense of it.
It makes zero sense.
I'm sure in the teacher case, there's those teachers that didn't even know each other either.
They were just trying to protect their job.
What they did was wrong, but you shouldn't get prison time.
You've got people that actually cheated elections that have had nothing done to them all over the country.
But then we have teachers that changed a standardized test.
There's no comparison of a standardized test in our voting system.
Right.
Or, more importantly, to a guy who orders another guy to kill somebody.
None.
None of these are comparable.
None.
And I hope the legislature, during this session, I hope the state legislature does do something to fix these RICO charges.
Because...
We know why it was written.
We know it's a good law.
We know you can use it to catch real criminals.
But to use it to rope anybody that you want in to get a large number of indictments and possible prosecutions, or more importantly, to get people to talk and make up stories or say what you want them to say to win a case, I think it needs to be changed.
And I'm glad that the state legislature is looking to do that.
I hope they get it done.
I don't want them.
Now, that being said, I don't want anything done to a duly elected county DA because they're prosecuting someone or not prosecuting.
I don't agree with that law.
People elect who they want in a county.
The rest of us have to live with that.
It doesn't matter.
We may not like it, but that's the way I think the system works best.
You can take away the ability for this to happen again in another situation where a group, a DA can go after a group of people under RICO charges.
Because it's only a matter of time, I tell everybody this, it's only a matter of time before some liberal DA, very liberal, Not liberal like we think Afani Willis is, who's not very liberal at all, but liberal liberal to say, okay, I'm going to go after this whole entire police department under RICO charges because of corruption and it started with the top.
Because that's coming next and that we will see within the next several years.
Now, I think that, from what I understand, Fannie Willis is a Christian, and she had one of my prayer intercessors that was on my campaign and helped me.
She actually went in and prayed over her office and anointed it.
I don't think she's a bad person.
I think that maybe she took some bad advice, or she looked at the law wrong, or I don't know.
No, it's politics.
It's politics.
If she has aspirations for higher office, and I think she does, this is the case that a DA looks for.
And most DAs are looking for higher office.
It could be attorney general or governor, possibly.
But this is a high-profile case.
You're going after a, you know, 50% of people love him.
50% hate him.
So you're going after a fairly unpopular former president.
You're going after him at a time that he's running for president, which makes it even more politically motivated.
So on her part, I don't agree with it, but I understand what you're doing.
I just believe that we have to fight We have to fight in a different manner than the one we're fighting.
And I don't agree with getting her out of office or anything like that because that's not who we are as Republicans.
She's in a county that was duly elected by the people.
We respect those people's opinions.
I don't want a guy that lives in, say, Sumter County or Fannin County telling me or voting to get rid of any elected official in a county he doesn't even live in.
I'm not for that.
Yeah, if the people don't like it, they need a recaller.
Right.
That's it.
That's it.
Well, let's talk about immigration, Shelly.
So tell me how that's affecting your area and what you're hearing on your show when you're interviewing people about the border and it being opened and business owners or what are you hearing about that?
We...
Again...
This is like criminal justice reform.
The Democrats...
I'll take you back a little bit.
When Clinton was president, Clinton wanted to crack down on the border.
The Democrats had an immigration commission.
An African-American woman gave a report in front of Congress talking about lowered wages.
Particularly amongst working class, inner city class, I mean inner city workers.
They talked about rising crime.
They talked about depressed wages.
They talked about job loss.
All of these things the Democrats did then.
During Trump's 2016 race, when Trump was talking about building a wall, many of us shared Clinton, Obama, and all these Democrats talking about You know, stopping immigration, something that they wanted to do.
But it was Republicans that held it up a little bit, held it up a lot, actually.
We skip ahead to where we are now.
We recognize there's a border problem for All the same reasons that were stated before, depressed wages, job loss, rising crime, all of these problems.
So now the Democrats are saying, well, that's not a problem.
We're saying it is a problem, but we're only focused on the fentanyl and the criminal behavior.
What really gets through to people are the job losses.
In their own communities, the depressed wages in their own communities.
What gets through to a poor working class African American male who has skills of drywalling, plastering, concrete work, Electrical work.
What gets through to him, because he fundamentally sees it every day, what resonates with him is that when he goes on a job site, he's usually pushed out by people who just got here or who are here illegally and some...
Big contractor is manipulating the paperwork so he can get that worker in, usually at a lower wage.
You're right, Shelly, because I was going to tell you, we were flipping a house, a county over, and we had a black guy that was a roofer, excellent roofer.
He works a lot in Savannah, and he came over just to help us with the roof.
And he was telling me this very same thing, that there were some Guatemalans that came in, they're illegal, they don't pay taxes, they're here illegally, and they run a whole crew, and they're beating him out of all of his jobs.
And then the sheet rocker, kind of same similar thing.
And I was like, this is wrong.
So it's not that we, you know, because I hear this a lot.
Well, they're going to do jobs we won't do.
That's not true.
One of the things that when I hear that, I get so mad at people.
Me too.
Because you're insulting not only a whole group of people, you're insulting Americans, but you're also saying a blatant lie.
We think we're better.
Right, right.
There's jobs we won't do.
One, it's a lie, but let's take it as truth.
Let's say it's a true statement.
Then how do you allow someone to be homeless or a criminal and they're allowed to tell you, well, that's a job I won't take.
Well, aren't you hungry?
Doesn't your family need food?
Yeah, but that's a job I just won't take.
Then that's where you get the illogic in the statement itself.
But I want to say one of the things that we have to do as Republicans, we have to message better.
And the messaging in the border The messaging is not with fentanyl.
It's not with criminals.
It's with wages and job loss and lost opportunities for American citizens.
It's financial because people can understand that argument.
Absolutely.
And, you know, the Bible says if you don't work, you don't eat.
It's really clear.
And so I work.
I would love to stay home with my family and just be a, you know, beaver cleaver wife.
I can't do that.
And I'm passionate about my job.
And the Lord has a destiny for me.
And I do it every day.
And I help save children.
And I get to work with the homeless.
I'm the homeless liaison.
I do a lot of things that I love to do.
And so, you know, there's something there should be.
Passion and drive in all of us.
And we should all want to work into the Lord and do things.
And of course, you have to work or you don't eat.
It's very clear.
The entitlement mentality has got to stop.
But it's here.
And I'm going to tell you, these people coming in illegally, they're learning the American way.
They're learning, you know, I may not have insurance, but I can go to the ER if my child's sick with a cold and get medication.
and they have to, it's a thousand dollar ER bill, but the government will pay for it.
They're learning that mentality and it's not good.
It's getting our hospitals in a mess.
It's just, everything's derailing because of the open border.
And we, and see, we're struggling in South Georgia a lot with hospitals, you know, financial bankruptcy.
I mean, it's bad.
And it's because of the influx and nobody having insurance.
And right now with the state legislature, they're trying to get the certificate of need done, that bill done, so hospitals can remain open and don't have to go through so much to remain open.
Yeah, and I think, you know, they're talking about these clinics and the emergency clinics and that kind of thing, but you know and I know a hospital is way different than a clinic.
Absolutely.
I go to a clinic when I didn't have insurance and I was just filling in at my new station.
And I had something wrong.
It was only I went to the clinic for a cold or, you know, to get antibiotics, you know, for a cold or an infection, whatever it may be.
But other than that, you know, I did not go.
You know, I did not.
If I was sick, I just tried to fight it off.
Now that I have insurance, then now that I'm paying for something, I use it all the time.
Trust me.
That's right.
Well, so what else?
Tell me what's going on.
I know you interview people all the time.
Let's talk about some of your best interviews or some of the coolest people you've interviewed.
Well, I've never interviewed Donald Trump, but I did the kind of political greatest thing in my life was I met with him and eight other national talk show hosts.
During his administration in the Oval Office In a small meeting And that was pretty much the highlight It wasn't an interview But politically it was a highlight I've interviewed I actually interviewed Barack Obama when he was a senator Running for president Let me see Probably one of my favorite interviews is the first time Brian Kemp was announced that he was running.
And he was running in that first time against Casey Cagle.
And they were running in that race.
I interviewed Governor Kemp in my studio.
And he came up, didn't have an entourage, didn't have a spokesperson.
He came up with a box of donuts from Krispy Kreme, I believe, if I remember correctly.
Unbuttoned shirt, jacket, and jeans and cowboy boots and stayed with us almost a half a show, almost an hour and a half, which was supposed to be a 15-20 minute interview.
So that was one of, I always loved that because that started us off on a great relationship as friends, you know, not as voter, governor, or talk radio host governor, but as friends.
Excuse me.
I've had some interesting interviews with regular people.
When I say regular people, not politicians, but business people.
And Elizabeth Omolami, who works with the homeless with Hosea's Feed the Hungry, is a very interesting interview because her dad was Hosea Williams.
And now she's picked up on his legacy of feeding the hungry and helping with people that are poor and don't have homes and things like that.
So she's always fascinating.
I can't think of many others.
My show is interview heavy, but we usually get interviews with people when they're in the news, like when you were running for governor.
But yeah, you were one of my more interesting interviews, because I never...
First time I heard Jesus, Guns, and God as your platform.
Jesus, Guns, and Babies.
Babies, right, was on my show.
And I said, that's your entire platform.
And you said, yep, that's my platform.
And I was like, okay, that's very brave.
But okay, it was very different.
And it speak to who you are.
It speak to who you are and Who you were, but really, and what your campaign was all about.
And it was very clear in three words.
So I found that to be very fascinating.
You know, Shelly, and I was telling somebody, I was interviewing you today, and they were like, it was somebody that worked on my campaign.
They said, he was good friends with Kemp.
And I said, I know, but he loves me too.
Right.
You know, I'm like you.
I don't, my thing is, and I think this is important for everybody that's listening to your podcast to hear.
If they take anything from what I say on this interview, please take this from this interview.
We are much more than our political opinions.
You're a Christian.
You're a wife.
You're a mom.
I'm a man.
I'm a Christian.
I may not go to church as much as you or read my Bible as much, but I'm still a Christian.
I'm a man.
You're right.
I love Jesus.
I love God.
I'm from New York.
So there's a lot that makes us who we are, but Before we even get to our political opinions.
And I think what's really destroying this country is the fact that people are singularly focused on who did you vote for?
What do you believe?
And like you said, I can agree with 90% of what Candace believes in, and I disagree with 10%, then all of a sudden I'm not really who I say I am because of the 10%.
And it happens all the time.
It's happening to our own party.
It's happening to our country.
It's happening everywhere.
You know, we can all agree with one thing, and then when we have a disagreement on another thing, it's just not a simple disagreement anymore.
Now it's you're not who you are, you're not really conservative, or you're too conservative, or you're not conservative enough.
On the Democratic side, you're...
You're an establishment corporate Democrat or you're a progressive or you're a crazy liberal, whatever it is.
That's all we're doing now.
And most of our disagreements are not necessarily on the big things.
Most people will tell you we need to control the border.
Now, what that means is where the debate comes in.
But most people will tell you we need to do something about the border, whether it's locking it down with a wall or letting certain people in one at a time, checking them out, whatever that may look like.
I just think that we've become too dogmatic on both sides, in every shape or form.
We've become too dogmatic with our opinions.
Yeah, it was Ronald Reagan.
I actually quoted him earlier today when he said 80% of the time, if we agree, then we're not, our relationship isn't established on that 20%.
We're not an enemy on the 20% when you agree 80% of the time.
And I think that's so important because you're right.
We have division within our own party.
We have people that are super ultra MAGA. Versus establishment Republicans or rhinos or whatever they want to name them, which I hate rhino.
I think it's terrible.
Like, I want to call them a fake Republican.
If they're not a Republican, they're not a Republican, you know?
But, like, we have establishment people who's been here forever and ever and ever, and they want you to act classy and respectful and kind of have the brand of the Republican Party.
And then you've got grassroots patriots that are, like, burn it all down.
And we've got to find a balance because if we agree 80% of the time, then we're on the same team.
Right.
Well, I think where we start is stop.
I think where we start is we have to stop the labels, right?
I like Donald Trump.
I wouldn't consider myself ultra MAGA. I wouldn't consider myself patriot or not patriot or rhino or not rhino.
I'm just a conservative voter.
I absolutely positively and I let the party know all the time.
I absolutely positively can go vote for a liberal or I mean for a Democrat.
If I so choose.
Doesn't make me any less of a conservative, just makes me someone who voted for this guy over that guy for whatever reason, because I'm not a party apparatchik.
And I think that's what many of us have to start to understand.
There are people right now who are pushing that, I don't know if you're one, but who think Nikki Haley shouldn't be allowed to run for president.
And I'm like, I don't think that's helpful to us.
There are people who still want to argue and litigate The 2020 election.
I don't think that's helpful to us.
Do we have the conversation about making voting more secure?
Absolutely.
But having any conversations of what happened in 2020, I think we lose people.
Because most people aren't focused on that.
I think if we're to win elections, if we're to win voters to our side, we have to talk to people where they are.
And everyone's on the economy.
What are you going to do for the economy?
If we can't go to voters and tell them in 2024 what we're going to do to fix the economy, it doesn't matter.
All the other stuff doesn't matter.
None of it matters.
They care about the grocery and gas, and they can't meet their bills, and they can't go on vacation, and they can't give their kids, they ain't bringing clothes because...
They can't buy food.
So having to pick and choose what you pay for, I agree.
I will say I'm on the executive team of the GOP, and so we did the ballots.
And so whenever I did ask, because I had constituents say this to me, and so I wanted to represent them.
And Nikki Haley is not a natural-born citizen, and neither is the Vivek or whatever his name is.
Based on the Constitution, their parents were not legal citizens when they were born.
But the Constitution says all you have to do is be born here.
It doesn't say your parents have to be natural born citizens.
So that's the argument.
So the natural born citizen definition by the Constitution is that your parents are legal and you're born here.
I don't remember that.
I don't remember anywhere in the Constitution saying that.
But my point is...
Let me tell you why they got on.
They got on because precedence has already been set.
So there's other people that have already ran for president, they've already been president, who did not meet that natural-born citizen in the Constitution.
So you can't come up now and change it and go back this hardcore way when you've already set precedence.
And so that's what got me was that We're picking and cherry picking and choosing.
We're going to change back now.
We've kind of set the tone as natural born citizens.
If you're born here, even though originally, no, it wasn't, but we've already gone to that in our country.
You can't go backwards.
Well, not only that, taking all the legal stuff out of it, we're a nation built on immigration.
So anybody that would argue a nation that welcomed people here in order to grow, they welcome people here.
Hey, come here.
We are a better country.
We're a great country.
We have freedoms.
We have love.
We have compassion and all of these things.
And we welcome people here from Europe, from Germany, from all these different places, brought them all and told them to come.
And then when they come, say, well, you know what?
You got to wait till you're grown, get married to another person who's grown, whose parents, who was born here, and only then can your children say that they're citizens.
So in order to run for any office or run for president, let's say, we have to wait two generations, even as we welcome people over here.
So I just think it's, I think those things are the arguments that we get into as Republicans that become silly, silly arguments.
See, Shelly, I'm good with that because the president is the highest seat in our country.
And you know what?
I want you to be a vested American to lead this country.
I don't want some imposter to come in and run and pretend and then they win and they take us to a new world order.
Right.
And you know what I'm saying?
Right.
Yeah, I do, but you're assuming that the natural-born citizen that's American won't be the imposter.
I can point to you an FBI agent who was a natural-born citizen who turned the secrets over to the Russians and has now actually died in jail.
We have so many natural born citizens that are imposters.
I'm not saying they're not.
I'm just saying that it was in the Constitution for a reason.
I'm a constitutionalist, so I want to follow the Constitution.
I want to keep it intact.
I want us to be protected.
I want our rights protected.
And we're so far removed from a bottom-up government.
Our federal government is so big.
It's out of control.
States have lost rights because federal government's gotten too big.
The bureaucracy is awful.
Department of Education should be shut down at the federal level.
It's supposed to be a state right.
I could go on and on and on.
And so anything that we can do to protect that constitution, I'm all about it.
But like I said, there was precedent there, and so I voted to have them on the ballot on that committee because I felt like it was, you know, the precedent had been set, and they showed me several different things, and I was like, okay, fine.
So, you know, you have to, even though I didn't fully agree with myself, it's like sometimes for the greater good, what we talked about 80%, you have to do what's best for the good of the group.
So now let's look at the good of the group and how important it is to win elections, which is why we do this, right?
So imagine if you guys wouldn't have voted to have Vivek or Nikki Haley on the ballot in Georgia.
It would have ensued.
Well, not only that, but we would have put ourselves in a position to have more attention drawn to a state for yet another reason that has nothing to do with helping people.
And so independence would have looked at us funny in Georgia, and people that are looking for help economically would have been drawn into an argument that they have no business arguing because they don't care because all they care about is putting food on their tables.
And that's what we have to recognize as Republicans.
We have to get out of these silly arguments with each other over silly things that just people are waging just to say, look how smart I am.
I'm going to wage this argument.
You lost the argument with Obama in 2008.
We're going to lose it with Nikki Haley again.
We're going to lose it with Vivek again.
Let's just keep it moving.
And no one's No one's suggesting we elect CIA, I mean, agents of the Chinese security system or Soviet communists or anything like that.
No one's suggesting that any of these people would be that.
And if they happen to be, those people can easily be spies for another country running for president as a natural born citizen.
Yeah.
Well, and you know, I don't like Nikki Haley because she wants to kill babies.
So her abortion stance is way too liberal for me.
So I don't like her at all.
Right.
Right.
That's fine.
And that's the discussion we should have.
And I like Vivek, okay.
But my problem with him is he's a Muslim.
And so people are like, oh, so you have to be a Christian to be president?
I said, yep.
In my opinion, yes.
So, if he's the only one and he's against Joe Biden, I'm voting for a Muslim, I guess.
But it's my choice.
No, I'm going to vote for a Christian.
And so, you know, that's my litmus test because I want to make sure this country that was founded on Jesus Christ stays that way.
And, you know, Vibach says all the right things.
Like, he does.
But we don't agree on that issue.
And that's my number one.
And that's fine.
I was in a meeting with Mitt Romney when he was running for president with several other strong Christian conservatives in that meeting, and many of them were asking him about being a Mormon.
Again, which I found to be, wow, that's kind of crazy.
The guy is similar to your points and your views on everything else, but because of his belief system, which is based out of Christianity, is not straight Christian, now we're not going to vote for him.
But I give you that leeway.
Go do that.
That's your choice to make.
I don't necessarily agree with it.
I like Vivek.
I like Nikki.
I think Nikki's view on abortion is pretty much in line with a vast majority of Americans.
So I think that's the way to go.
I don't think we'll ever get to a point where we have no abortions ever, never, never under any circumstances.
I think that's too extreme.
But I think it's also too extreme to go to where you can have babies, I mean, have abortions at nine months.
So, you know, I fall somewhere in that 15 weeks area.
Do I agree with it?
No.
But I think it's between a woman and her God what she does.
Yeah, I'm not for killing babies ever.
Right.
I know.
I know.
I'm not for killing babies.
I know.
I know.
And I've had two miscarriages.
And neither am I. It's devastating.
You know, it's just devastating.
It's trauma.
And I have friends that's had abortions that still suffer with anxiety and regret.
And it's just inhumane to kill a baby.
I paid.
I had a girlfriend in college.
We drove down to New York City from college to have an abortion, and I have not had a child ever since.
And not a month goes by that I don't think, hey, I wonder if that baby could have turned out to be president or done something or become an athlete or maybe ended up being a serial killer.
You know, I often wonder what could have happened or what that baby would be doing now.
That baby's in heaven.
And when you get to heaven, that baby's going to be waiting on their daddy.
Well, I hope so.
From your mouth to God's ears.
He or she will be.
You'll get to live eternity with your baby.
And I hate it that you didn't have him or she here.
But that's just reality.
Another thing for me is that abortion is pushed so heavily on black Americans.
And that they are killing their race.
They want to.
I think it's almost like genocide of the Black race.
If you look at the numbers, it is so...
It makes me so angry.
Dr.
Avada King, we've talked about it.
It is so disturbing.
Part of that...
It is very disturbing.
I say it all the time on my show.
It's very disturbing.
And I'm part of the group of people who...
When I was in college who paid for it.
I didn't have it.
Obviously, I'm a man.
But the other issue is...
It's because a lot of those numbers are public, from what I've been told.
I don't know if it's true or not.
I've looked into it as much as I can.
Many people who get, for instance, when we talk about public government-sponsored insurance and things like that, when you talk about a Planned Parenthood, Those numbers are tracked.
Those numbers are checked.
What's not checked due to HIPAA is if some woman- Private Ghana.
Right, right.
So if that woman goes and gets an abortion for whatever reason, we'll never know it so you can't run the numbers.
That's true.
That's probably true.
Yeah, and so one of the things that I always push back on is the idea that if we're going to talk about the murder of babies, let's not make ourselves believe that one group of people are morally deficient to the point where they're murdering babies.
I think it's pushed on black women.
Yeah, it's pushed because it's easier.
And I think it's also pushed because it's what people are taught.
People are convinced a large number of women, it's your body, your choice.
Leaving the man completely out of it, leaving society out of it, and leaving the baby out of it.
The baby can't make a choice, obviously.
And I have friends that are Democrat women that are Black that we've had this conversation and they are not all for abortion.
They're more like you.
They're more like, you know, earlier in the pregnancy, but, you know, we do need the option.
And we've had these long conversations and they're like, you know, Katie, you care more about these Black babies at the beginning than I feel like I do.
I feel conviction.
I'm like, good.
Feel conviction.
They're trying to kill you.
Right.
I just, I don't, you know, I'm like a conspiracy theorist, Shirley.
No, no, no.
Yeah, no, no.
And the thing is, I don't either.
And many of my people don't.
What's fascinating to me is to watch people now that are African American tell me that the FBI should be believed when we've never trusted the FBI. We've never trusted law enforcement.
We've never trusted the government.
Now, all of a sudden, because the government happens to hate Donald Trump, now everyone trusts the government and the FBI. But I mean, It is what it is.
We've got to I've got to go because I've got to go.
We've got to get our messaging.
Our messaging, Shirley.
We've got to get our messaging right.
We've got to get our messaging right.
And I just implore all Republicans to disagree with each other on any issue you want to.
But let's not have these labels out there.
Ultra Mag or Patriots.
Because they all imply a negative to the other.
So if you call...
If I call you a patriot and I use it in a derogatory sense or any sense, I'm saying someone that disagrees with you hates America.
If I say someone's a Republican in name only, then I'm saying they're not a real Republican, they're running for office, should we vote for them or not?
I don't know.
But if I agree with them on most of the issues, Issue by issue, then I should vote for them.
And I think we all should, as particularly Republicans, I don't care about the Democrat side, but as Republicans, we should definitely get to the point where we simply are calling each other Republicans, conservatives, and then I disagree with you on this, or I disagree with you on that, but we gotta stop name-calling each other.
It's a bad practice, and we're hurting ourselves more than we're hurting the other side.
And if I can go and vote for Brian Kemp in November of 2022, after my race in May, then everybody can hush and go vote like they're supposed to vote.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
But, Shelly, thank you so much for coming on.
Thank you.
Hey, keep doing what you're doing.
Keep fighting.
Keep Atlanta straight for us.
And you're welcome back anytime.
Absolutely.
God bless you, Candace.
God bless you and your family.
Merry Christmas to you, and I'll talk to you soon.
Sounds good.
Y'all come back next week, 8pm Eastern Standard Time on the Steve Peters Network.
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God bless you and God bless America.
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