Nov. 2, 2023 - Stew Peters Show
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| The world is changing, and it's changing fast. | |
| We're exiting a period of incredible growth and relative stability, where after the most destructive war in human history, the U.S. rose to power as the global leader. | |
| The American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory. | |
| And as that leader, the US created new structures like NATO and the World Trade Organization. | |
| They established rules. | |
| Rules about trade. | |
| Rules about economics. | |
| Rules about justice. | |
| Rules that they based on Western philosophical values. | |
| Now being projected around the globe by a country with an astounding amount of alliances and military hardware. | |
| For a time, another great empire challenged that order, operating with a different set of rules, a different set of values and philosophies, trading with their own bloc and working with their own alliances. | |
| But it couldn't last. | |
| The collapse of the Soviet Union in the 90s left the US and their rich allies as the sole setters of the rules, the holders of the power. | |
| So the US doubled down, and their system of liberal values, democracy, and free trade spread and fortified throughout the world. | |
| But when you're the global leader, when you're the one who sets all the rules, you get to decide when you follow your own rules, and when you don't. | |
| Being the global superpower has turned more into being the global policeman. | |
| Over these last 75 years, the US has been known to violate the values, norms, and ideals that it built the whole global system off of. | |
| Cozying up to strongman dictators, throwing out democratically elected governments, fueling regional wars, and generally trying to stamp out communism across the globe. | |
| And anyone who didn't want to play by America's rules was cast out as an insane pariah in need of regime change. | |
| The Iraqi regime has plotted to develop anthrax and nerve gas. | |
| And nuclear weapons for over a decade. | |
| And yet, despite this double game the US has played, this system has been a part of the most peaceful period of human history. | |
| Major empires don't fight each other like they used to. | |
| And a major reason is because they came to understand that getting in line with the American-led system would mean economic opportunity and growth. | |
| It wasn't worth a war. | |
| Fighting against this system often meant destruction and losing deals for all sides. | |
| This piece was also helped by the existence of the most powerful weapons ever invented, which great powers didn't dare use on each other. | |
| The American-led system has meant stability and an incredible amount of trade, leading to a dramatic reduction in global poverty. | |
| But that era is coming to an end. | |
| That era is coming to an end, and that's why I do believe we are now in a Cold War. | |
| You've heard me talk about that before. | |
| The United States is now building the most powerful nuclear weapons in the world. | |
| And the reason why we're in this predicament, the reason why we have to resort to these things, is because they've set us up to a place where we do have to do those things, because we have gotten involved and we've intervened in other countries' conflicts in ways that we shouldn't have. | |
| Now a lot of people try to politicize this matter. | |
| They try to politicize foreign policy in a way that makes zero sense. | |
| As an America First patriot, I believe in nationalism. | |
| I believe in America First nationalism. | |
| And I also believe that other countries have a right to be nationalist. | |
| And I don't believe enforcing a globalist agenda upon every single country, because when they say Western values, what they're really referring to is people like Justin Trudeau or Justine Trudeau, as I like to say, Joe Biden and all of these Western leaders that we don't even like ourselves. | |
| We, the people, don't even like these people ourselves. | |
| So why the hell would we expect other people around the world, other nations, to abide by what they're demanding? | |
| Because that's what they want. | |
| Joe Biden's enemies are just the people that didn't agree to the globalist new world order. | |
| And that New World Order actually isn't very new. | |
| It stemmed from NATO, and you know how I feel about NATO. You know how I feel about this idea that we were supposed to fight one evil with the same evil, which is that, you know, just another group of people that want to take over the world. | |
| You know, they slander people like me for being isolationists. | |
| They say that we're so wrong for wanting to not save other people around the world, but the reality is we create more death. | |
| When we get involved, and I don't mean the United States, I mean when the entire system of alliances get involved. | |
| Because that's what happened after World War II. We created a system, a very complex series of alliances that now have to jump to defend every country that winds up getting in a conflict. | |
| This is not a right or left issue. | |
| This is just a non-uniparty issue. | |
| This is just me as a common-sense American, an America First patriot, saying, wake up, people. | |
| You're being lied to. | |
| And there's so much propaganda out there. | |
| And Joe Biden gave a speech talking about how he wanted to get involved with Israel. | |
| He is such a warmonger, guys. | |
| He's telling us that we need to go to war for Israel. | |
| We need to defend a country that is not our own. | |
| Well, this has World War III written all over it, and I'm not about to fall for it. | |
| We're already in a nuclear arms race. | |
| They won't tell you that. | |
| You just have to do the research for yourself. | |
| I've talked about it on my earlier show, Wrong Think at 3 o'clock on LFATV. I've talked about it on this show. | |
| We are already in a nuclear arms race. | |
| We are all in a Cold War. | |
| The two major components of a Cold War are propaganda and an arms race, and we have already started participating in both of those. | |
| So this is no joke, guys, not being facetious, as Joe Biden would say. | |
| What we're in is not a very good predicament, because it's very difficult to defend why we're in this situation to begin with, given that Joe Biden has been the one who's picking and choosing our enemies, or should I say Barack Obama. | |
| But on today's episode, that's exactly what we're going to delve into. | |
| In fact, I had the opportunity to speak to the two young men who actually confronted Hillary Clinton and asked her why or how she could possibly support Joe Biden's recent speech about wanting to get involved in Israel. | |
| It was one of the most fascinating interviews I've ever had. | |
| And what I really appreciated about this interview is that, you know, these two young men made it very clear that their position on foreign policy has nothing to do with partisan ideals or partisan party platforms. | |
| No, it has all to do with the idea that we are allowed to be a sovereign nation just as other nations are. | |
| And it is complete common sense that if we do want to stay out of wars, which we should want, That the first step is to, I don't know, not fund wars, not aid wars, not get involved in wars, not deploy our troops in war. | |
| And it was a very refreshing conversation. | |
| So stay tuned, guys, for this very, very interesting episode of Wrong Thing Primetime. | |
| And look at the Wrong Thing Primetime. | |
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| Thank you so much for being here, guys. | |
| Really appreciate it. | |
| We have a really exciting show to bring to you, so I am so, so excited. | |
| I mean, I already said that. | |
| I'm being repetitive now. | |
| But truly, it was an honor to interview these two people that I'm about to show you because they're very smart. | |
| They really have a good grasp on what's going on when it comes to foreign policy. | |
| They're very well read. | |
| They understand the historical context behind all this. | |
| Though we may not agree on everything, We probably are coming from different perspectives when it comes to politics. | |
| One thing we can certainly agree on is the issue at stake, which is keeping America out of war. | |
| And that is my priority right now because as it stands, it doesn't seem like that is what the uniparty elites want for this country. | |
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| Alright, so on that note, I want to jump right in because I just ranted for a really long time off the top of the show. | |
| But before we jump into the interview, I want to give you some context to who these two young men are. | |
| So Robert Castle and Simon Miller confronted Hillary Clinton at a panel discussion. | |
| Now you might have seen... | |
| At least one of these videos circulating on Twitter, mainly the Robert Castle one. | |
| He actually, what is now known as the Hillary Heckler, because he stood up in the middle of her speech and confronted her about the fact that she is obviously in support of Joe Biden's warmonger agenda. | |
| Well, why won't she disavow it? | |
| Why won't she say, you know, let's stay out of wars? | |
| I thought the whole idea of the Democratic Party was to be peaceful, right? | |
| Well, absolutely. | |
| After watching this, it's pretty clear it's not. | |
| Even though we knew that about Killary already, hence why we call her Killary, this is a woman who is very familiar with violence towards other people, if you know what I mean. | |
| Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. | |
| And so with that, it was pretty brave of Robert Castle to actually Confront her like this. | |
| And, you know, he was telling me in an interview that he was stuttering. | |
| I thought this was actually well articulated. | |
| I think most people would have been scared to confront someone like Hillary, if you know what I mean. | |
| So anyways, I want to go ahead and play that clip for you. | |
| It was pretty incredible to watch. | |
| Take a look. | |
| Honestly, I'm sorry. | |
| We've got two more people to hear from. | |
| I'm sorry. | |
| You have a chance. | |
| Well, I'm not sorry. | |
| You sit down. | |
| I know you're not sorry. | |
| That's the point. | |
| The hypocrisy of this speech. | |
| The hypocrisy of the fact that- Frank Magisha is a leading civil rights organizer. | |
| Can you please make a statement about President Joe Biden's speech? | |
| This is a clearly warmongering speech. | |
| President Joe Biden is calling for $100 billion of funding for Israel, Taiwan, and Ukraine. | |
| And we're supposed to just bundle these together and pretend like we're going to rush to World War III and we're all just going to let Hillary Rodham and Clinton sit here. | |
| Okay. | |
| I'm sorry. | |
| You know, this is not the way to have a conversation. | |
| If you want to have a conversation, you're welcome to come talk to me afterwards. | |
| You can sit here. | |
| Okay, right. | |
| You're going to wait for me, right? | |
| I will wait for you, and I will listen to you, and I will respond to you. | |
| I do not believe you. | |
| Respectfully, I do not believe you. | |
| And the fact of the matter is that the American people's voice are what need to be heard. | |
| Yeah, they are being heard. | |
| Because our president is not speaking for the American people, and neither are you. | |
| Well, that's your opinion. | |
| That's your opinion. | |
| Yes, that's my opinion. | |
| Well, then sit down. | |
| We've heard your opinion. | |
| Thank you very much. | |
| Now we're going to turn to people who are on the front lines of working on behalf of human rights. | |
| I'm going to exercise my free speech. | |
| But it's not free speech when you are disrupting everybody else's opportunity to speak. | |
| Yes, it is. | |
| It is free speech. | |
| This is free speech, everyone. | |
| This is free speech. | |
| That is not free speech. | |
| This is people constructing narratives that are openly hypocritical. | |
| I'm sorry. | |
| The incredible hypocrisy. | |
| You told me John Foster Dulles went with Eleanor Roosevelt to bring this Declaration of the Rights of Man. | |
| John Foster Dulles was involved with the CIA. Oh, yeah. | |
| Well, you're brilliant in your historical cherry picking. | |
| The Pinochet regime. | |
| Please, could you please inform me about the United States? | |
| Okay, we're going to move on to Frank Adesha, who's actually on the flip line fighting for human rights, not just yelling about it. | |
| So Frank, I want to turn to you because you are from Uganda and Uganda's 2023 Anti-Homosexuality Act criminalizes LGBT conduct in Uganda. I want to turn to you because you are from Push us to World War III. | |
| Oh, please. | |
| Do you understand? | |
| It's not about Israel and Palestine. | |
| It's not about, it's not football. | |
| This isn't football. | |
| It's not Team America. | |
| Well, I'm sorry, but some of us are on Team America despite our flaws and our problems. | |
| Yes, that's me! | |
| And some of us, every person on this stage has risked their life, their income, their reputation, their careers, and what have you done other than stand-up and stand-up? | |
| I will put my records and these women's records and Frank's records against you any day of the year. | |
| I'll respond. | |
| What I have done is I have asked Hillary Rodham Clinton to denounce the president's openly warmongering, suicidal, idiotic speech. | |
| That's what I've asked. | |
| That's what I've done. | |
| So that's the end of our conversation, but I'll still meet you outside, but you're done. | |
| You're done. | |
| Right now. | |
| OK. | |
| Frank has been. | |
| She said she'll meet me outside. | |
| OK. | |
| I love how the angry lesbian had to get up and defend Hillary. | |
| What have you done? | |
| What has she done? | |
| What has Hillary done? | |
| Oh, I don't know. | |
| She's killed a bunch of people on a list. | |
| Might I go through that whole list? | |
| Oh wait, I'd be here all year. | |
| But no, he's absolutely right. | |
| Robert was 100% correct. | |
| Why are these people treating this like it's football? | |
| It's not Israel versus Palestine. | |
| This is all about World War III. This is all about the elite's wish to get us involved in another foreign conflict that has no benefit to the United States. | |
| All it will do is end in destruction. | |
| So he was completely right. | |
| He was completely right in calling her out. | |
| And he wasn't the only one who was right. | |
| He was actually there with his friend, Simon Miller, who spoke to Hillary, confronted Hillary after that panel discussion. | |
| And here's how that went. | |
| Hello, Hillary. | |
| Do you have time to discuss afterwards with people? | |
| Sure, if you want to. | |
| You do? | |
| Like where? | |
| Right here? | |
| Okay, perfect. | |
| I do have a question, actually in the same vein as the man who stood up earlier. | |
| Yes, right. | |
| And you're a student. | |
| I am, yes. | |
| And his question was regarding this aid package that Joe Biden proposed, the $105 billion conjoined aid to Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan, and the border. | |
| And there's humanitarian aid in Gaza. | |
| Yes, of course, yes. | |
| He did not mention that. | |
| However, he didn't. | |
| However, he didn't really have a lot of time because he was trying to, I know he was speaking in the middle of a larger speech. | |
| However, my question is, I'm sure you've heard about the Belt and Road Initiative Forum that happened in Beijing just like last week. | |
| Why should the United States not be cooperating with that rather than trying to aid more wars? | |
| That's my question. | |
| Well, you know, you have to do more than one thing at the same time. | |
| Sure. | |
| And the United States does a tremendous amount of development aid without the kind of onerous restrictions that China imposes on the people it gives aid to. | |
| What about the debt traps in Africa? | |
| Those are all Chinese. | |
| No, the IMF and the World Bank have been opposing them for years. | |
| No, you know, we did a whole debt... | |
| Will you listen to me? | |
| Yes. | |
| It's China. | |
| Just listen to me. | |
| We did a whole debt relief program called Jubilee in 2000. | |
| Forgave everybody's debt. | |
| How much debt was that? | |
| Oh, it was huge. | |
| China just forgave $90 billion in loans like two years ago. | |
| I know, but that is a drop in the bucket of what they've done to people because they've not only put countries into debt, As of now, they are not forgiving most of that debt, but they are taking the collateral that was used in order to get the debt. | |
| So, for example, if they were going to help build a road, they wanted some kind of mortgage on your airport. | |
| And where have they done that? | |
| What countries? | |
| They've done it all over Africa. | |
| Which countries? | |
| They want to take the airport. | |
| They want to take the airport? | |
| Have they taken the airport? | |
| Have they taken it, though? | |
| They tried to. | |
| They have not taken it, though. | |
| No, but they tried to. | |
| Just to be clear. | |
| They haven't, though. | |
| No, but they attempted to, and it was the United States that came in to help Uganda avoid having to give their airport to China. | |
| You need to really study up on this. | |
| I appreciate that. | |
| And in the Philippines, it's the same thing. | |
| Have they seized any sovereign assets in the Philippines? | |
| They control our electricity. | |
| Oh, how so? | |
| Like distribution of electricity. | |
| Like how so? | |
| Like you guys buy all your electricity from China? | |
| Yeah. | |
| They can shut it down. | |
| They make corrupt deals. | |
| Because you guys buy it or because they own sovereign assets in the Philippines? | |
| I think you have to go and look at each one of the countries and look and see where was the corruption in between. | |
| How did that Chinese feel come through? | |
| I understand. | |
| We're doing the investigations in that, and we're trying to hold our own government. | |
| My question is, though, no sovereign assets have been seized, though, because that was the claim. | |
| But they've been owned. | |
| They've been owned. | |
| That's the same thing. | |
| Who owned? | |
| What Indonesian assets are owned by the Chinese? | |
| I live in the Philippines, but I did actually also work in Indonesia. | |
| I've heard this claim in various countries, but... | |
| But I guess part of it is, you know, it's real for us. | |
| Yes. | |
| It's not a claim, it's not a claim. | |
| I understand. | |
| It's constant. | |
| I understand that. | |
| So I would say, Jeff, why don't you really do a deep dive? | |
| Okay. | |
| You may still come up with the same opinions you have now. | |
| Yeah. | |
| But do a deep dive, because the whole Belt and Road Initiative... | |
| Yeah. | |
| It was initially thought to be a very, yeah, it was thought, but initially, the very beginning, it was thought to be a different form of development aid. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And, you know, people were very enthusiastic about that. | |
| Why didn't the U.S. join? | |
| We were invited to join in 2013. | |
| No, we were not invited. | |
| We were. | |
| No, we were invited. | |
| Perhaps Xi Jinping has said that from the beginning, the United States even invited to join. | |
| You're confusing two things. | |
| They also started a bank. | |
| No, the Belt and Road Initiative. | |
| We are invited to join. | |
| I was just in China. | |
| I talked to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. | |
| They directly told me that you guys are invited to join. | |
| That is not the best source of accurate information. | |
| Well, they directly told me you guys are invited to join, so why don't we join? | |
| You have to look at China. | |
| Look, I think it's great that you're interested in China. | |
| I just want you to get the whole picture. | |
| I understand. | |
| Why did the President of South Africa say, when the West comes to our country, we get a lecture. | |
| When China comes, we get a road or a bridge. | |
| If all of this is true. | |
| Because it comes with strings attached. | |
| Strings attached like the IMF and the World Bank. | |
| No, much worse. | |
| No, much worse than the IMF and World Bank. | |
| I see. | |
| Thank you, Mrs. | |
| Clinton. | |
| Have a good day. | |
| I mean, he was spot on. | |
| And I love how Hillary was so condescending. | |
| While you should really do a deep dive on this, you may come out with the same opinions, but I'm discrediting this very intelligent person's takeaway here, being like, well, actually, no, I went to China, and I actually spoke about this very topic, so I heard it directly from the horse's mouth, so I don't understand how you could tell me that that's not true. | |
| But of course, Hillary has to cover up for all of her lies and warmongering, so that's what's going on. | |
| So guys, now for the good part, without further ado, I actually had a chance to sit down with these two gentlemen and have a very interesting conversation, not just about this event that they decided to attend, but also about foreign policy and the lack of common sense foreign policy out there and basically how both parties pigeonhole you. | |
| Now, like I said, we may not agree on every single thing, but I appreciate their curiosity and I appreciate their How on target they are with this specific topic. | |
| They're completely correct. | |
| We have to be a sovereign nation. | |
| We have to stop getting involved in these conflicts. | |
| And we also have to stop policing everybody else and allow nations like Russia, with Putin in charge, to do what's in the best interest of Russia. | |
| So anyways, guys, without further ado, like I said, here is that amazing interview. | |
| One of the best interviews I've ever had. | |
| This was such an interesting conversation, and I wanted to make sure I showed it with you guys as soon as possible. | |
| I recorded this a few days ago, so it's fairly recent, guys. | |
| So here it is. | |
| And joining me now are the two young men who actually confronted Killary herself. | |
| Of course, I like to call them the Killary. | |
| That would be Simon Miller and Robert Castle. | |
| Thank you both for joining me now. | |
| I know the audience is stoked to hear from you guys, so really appreciate you being here. | |
| Thank you, Anna. | |
| Yeah, thanks for having us on. | |
| Of course, I want to start with sort of what brought you to that event. | |
| I want to start with you, Simon. | |
| What brought you to this event and what exactly was the event about where Hillary was speaking? | |
| So we were informed through a website called Eventbrite, where a lot of these people put up their events to get people to RSVP. And we do deployments on Columbia campus very often. | |
| And this event was at Columbia campus in the SEPA building, which is the International Affairs building at Columbia. | |
| And the event was actually very fascinating. | |
| It opened with a long diatribe about Ugandan LGBTQ rights and Israeli defensive fire against the Gazan population by ex-Israeli intelligence officer Milo. | |
| I can't remember her full name, but you can look it up. | |
| She's the SIPA dean. | |
| And that's what the event began with, was this diatribe about that. | |
| And then she introduced Hillary and the rest of their panelists. | |
| And the entire event was about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which is insanely paradoxical and hypocritical, coming from Hillary Clinton and the rest of these people who are supporting NATO policy of just utter destruction. | |
| And that's what Robert wanted to call out by just standing up and, you know, opposing that hypocrisy. | |
| Yeah, that's kind of what I wanted to get at next, because I know that you approached her afterwards, Simon, and talked to her. | |
| But Robert, I'm curious, were you planning to stand up and say what you said? | |
| What went into all of that? | |
| I mean, it was definitely a planned political action to intervene and exercise our free speech at the event, but I didn't have any remarks prepared, which is part of why I was kind of stuttering and trying to find my words, is because... | |
| We were hoping to ask a question at the Q&A, but we were informed that all the questions were going to be canned, and we basically weren't going to be able to ask a question. | |
| And then as I was sitting there, just all of the different kind of lurid details of all of the ways that they were sort of trying to present their position as completely morally defensible, and everything that they stood against as pure evil, It just sort of piled up to the point where I realized I have to say something. | |
| But yeah, of course, we did have an intention to say something, and it was just a matter of sort of striking while the iron was hot. | |
| I felt like I had to say something, and the request for her to denounce the president's speech was just sort of what came to mind in light of the fact that it was That it is sort of the most pressing political issue in America today and also, | |
| of course, as we know, the disturbing reality for people living in Gaza is essentially a sort of all-out war campaign that's currently being undertaken against the civilian population in the name of so-called defense. | |
| it was so the hypocrisy of the panel was you know it just it became sort of too much yeah you're totally it's in you and this is something that i think in free speech this anti-war stance that is truly both common sense stance stances to have uh it seems as though anytime you support free speech or an anti-war stance it becomes politicized | |
| And it's quite interesting to me because Robert and I were talking about this beforehand, or sorry, Simon and I were talking about this beforehand, but we were talking about how these are not political or should be political issues. | |
| You should be able to be proud of your country. | |
| You should be able to not want to engage in war without being called an anti-Semite or without being called in favor of somebody else. | |
| Like, for example, Bernie Sanders was very supportive of being very pro-free speech and not having Trump being banned from Twitter. | |
| I believe it was Twitter, I think. | |
| And yet, suddenly he becomes supportive of Trump in some way, or suddenly you become an anti-Semite if you don't want to go to war for Israel, which I don't even know why we would. | |
| Israel's not our country. | |
| But it's very interesting that this is sort of all lumped together. | |
| You have to be pigeonholed. | |
| You have to be told that you're right or left on an issue. | |
| Well, what if you just don't want to die for another country? | |
| Hmm. | |
| It's just quite interesting to me. | |
| I know you're nodding, Simon, so I want to hear from you on this. | |
| Yeah, I mean, I completely agree. | |
| It's very interesting, and honestly, it tells you a lot about the current political situation that we're in. | |
| I know, like, one of the phrases that you used earlier was that it's almost like the horseshoe theory, so to speak, coming into fruition. | |
| And although myself and Robert, we don't consider ourselves leftists and we're certainly not Democrats, there is a number of issues that we don't necessarily agree on with people who tend to consider themselves right wing. | |
| And for the most part, though, we don't go to political battles and try and hunt out right wingers, because what we realize is that the right and left wing of the establishment are in the exact same hands. | |
| They're promoting the exact same policies. | |
| They're all anti-Russia. | |
| They're all pro-Israel, anti-Palestine. | |
| They're all anti-China. | |
| It doesn't matter if they're left, right. | |
| It doesn't matter if they're Democrat or Republican. | |
| Even some libertarians are on this exact same thing. | |
| Right. | |
| And so what it really comes down to is is what is a civilization? | |
| What makes a civilization? | |
| And should you fight to protect that civilization against an entrenched oligarchy that's trying to destroy it? | |
| And that's what I, myself, and I think I can speak for Robert in saying that's the reason that we do this, is because this entrenched oligarchy, this establishment, this deep state, even as like Donald Trump would call it, it is out of hand and it is forcing political ties to be made between, you know, fairly strange bedfellows. | |
| Yeah, I totally agree with that. | |
| What about you, Simon? | |
| I mean, I'm curious to hear from you on all of this sort of this monolithic idea that they want to push amongst the Uniparty. | |
| Oh, we have to think this way. | |
| We have to give to Israel. | |
| We have to give to Ukraine or else the entire world will fall apart. | |
| I mean, do you think we're being lied to by these people? | |
| Because I think I and most of my audience would agree that we are. | |
| I mean, how could you make the argument that it's our responsibility to fight for Ukraine? | |
| Why would we want to fight for some faggot who dresses up as like, I don't know, a woman, I guess, wants us to all pay for him to be on the cover of Vogue and is trying to tell us all that we have to be in line with this new world order. | |
| And why can't we just allow these things to go on without United States intervention? | |
| I don't understand why that's our responsibility. | |
| Were you asking Robert or were you asking me again? | |
| Oh, Robert. | |
| I'm sorry. | |
| Okay, sorry. | |
| I was having some technical difficulties at the beginning of the question. | |
| But yeah, I mean, in terms of why the United States is involved in these things, I think it is a hard question and I think it is actually an extremely difficult question to answer because it involves a lot of historical research and I think part of the challenge that we have right now is we have a pressing political situation. | |
| I was just on another podcast somewhat recently, and the guy was kind of trying to suggest to me that the real meaning of my intervention had something to do with Donald Trump. | |
| And I was trying to tell him, look, you can vote for whomever you please, you can adore whatever politician you like, but what I did had nothing to do with Donald Trump, because what I'm trying to demonstrate to people Is that regular, everyday citizens actually are the basis of government. | |
| This is the concept of the consent of the governed. | |
| This is a republican form of government. | |
| And this is actually... | |
| This is what is being lost when we are essentially being completely ignored by people who have control over the financial monetary system and the weapon systems and things like that. | |
| So... | |
| But I mean, just to put a somewhat finer point on it, but I also don't want to lose sight of the... | |
| I think the focus really should be on the reality of what's happening in Gaza right now. | |
| But I do think that it is worth saying that I think if you look to the connections between the British Empire and the continuation of the British Empire after the American Revolutionary War, I think you can kind of begin to understand that The American Revolution was never really fully ceded by the British Empire and that there have been many different attempts, | |
| covert and less covert, to basically regain control over the apparatus of the American government by imperial forces after the Revolution. | |
| And I think the sort of grand irony of the whole situation is that if you look at what led up directly to The October 7th attack, you see a large realignment of world powers working towards economic cooperation. | |
| These are powers that have been held essentially under the boot of imperialism, colonialism, and vampiric, rapacious forms of drug trade and slave trade. | |
| For example, China was extremely damaged by an opium war That was forced on it in the middle of the 19th century by the British Empire. | |
| So all of these countries have this long and very difficult history, and it took until approximately 2012 or 2013 with the initiation of the Belt and Road Initiative and the creation of the BRICS coalition, | |
| this economic coalition, for it took until the beginning of this millennium for these countries to finally sort of Be able to be conscious of their own historical situation and their shared interests enough to align and begin to cooperate. | |
| And you had a meeting of the BRICS only a couple months ago where there were several very important nation states that were admitted into this process. | |
| And these are key nation states that have control over large portions of the world's oil reserves. | |
| And so when you look at the sort of world strategic situation, and then you see that there's this ethnic conflict that ignites, just as these economic developments are really beginning to get underway, it doesn't take, you know, I really don't think it makes one a conspiracy theorist, | |
| is one way to put it, to believe that maybe there are intentions behind these ethnic conflicts, especially when you look in the media cycle and you see that That you're automatically labeled an anti-Semite if you have a critical eye towards the role of the state of Israel in the region, or if you have anything critical to say about the United States' economic involvement in these conflicts. | |
| It's a profound issue because, as you noted, it cuts across both party lines. | |
| There's a long-standing history in American politics of a sort of I think it's really just a matter of people's conscience kind of coming to overpower the sort of nominalistic ideological stances that people have with regard to something like anti-Semitism, for example. | |
| Because I think that it's very dangerous to draw an equivalence between being critical of the military policy undertaken by The state of Israel under the Netanyahu regime, to equivocate that, to call that hatred of Jewish people is extremely dangerous because it isn't true. | |
| And when you look around in American media, it's everywhere. | |
| It's really ubiquitous. | |
| So it's... | |
| Yes, I'm sorry. | |
| That's a long-winded response, but... | |
| No, I think it was really important that you talked about the history behind all that, because I think that's kind of how they get away with this, is they rely on the fact that people are not particularly well-versed in world history. | |
| And I think it's important that we have that context. | |
| But yeah, I mean, speaking of historical context, Robert and I were talking about NATO and how it kind of existed to destroy the Warsaw Pact. | |
| It was meant to basically protect Europe from anybody taking over. | |
| And the interesting thing about NATO is that it was sort of the cure that became just as bad, if not worse than the disease, because they're still taking over Europe. | |
| They're trying to take over the world, sort of, and they want to control everybody else. | |
| And they want to stop everybody from having their own way of running their country and having their own nationalist pride. | |
| And Putin has responded in such a way where he's criticized these world leaders like Trudeau and Biden for wanting to control Russia and wanting to control the entirety of the world. | |
| And yet people, I guess he, we just lost Simon there. | |
| That's okay, though. | |
| We still have, I mean, Robert, we still have Simon here. | |
| But it's just interesting to see how he's demonized, Putin's demonized for wanting what's best for Russia. | |
| Isn't that what we should all be striving for in each country? | |
| I mean, I just think that NATO has been such a lie. | |
| It's been such a weaponized against us as we the people to shadow our nationalist views or our ability to be a nationalist country. | |
| No, I mean, I completely agree. | |
| I mean, something that you had said before the show was that, like, I mean, the people that Putin is fighting, that is our enemies too, right? | |
| It's the globalists. | |
| It's these George Soros types. | |
| It's the bankers from these really old money European lineages who have always intervened in American affairs. | |
| They invaded our country in 1812. | |
| They essentially propped up the Confederacy in the Civil War. | |
| And it's also our own politicians. | |
| It's the Joe Bidens, and it's the Chuck Schumers, and it's all these people that want to take us to war, the establishment politicians in our country who are making millions from the Israeli lobby, that are making millions off of insider trading. | |
| And these are the very same enemies that Putin has outlined in a very coherent plan to fight off the globalist faction and to maintain Russia's sovereignty. | |
| And I believe one of the things that you said is that I'm not sure if he used those words, but that you believe right to what's best for them. | |
| I think any America-loving American, any patriotic American, should feel the exact same way. | |
| Because if you say, no, Russia doesn't deserve that right, then what right do you have to say that the U.S. deserves that right? | |
| Why to NATO does U.S. interests, so to speak, which are not actually the interests of the American people, but the interests of these oligarchs that we've outlined, why are those interests more important than the interests of the American people, more important than the interests of the Russian people? | |
| More important than the interests of the people in South Africa and in Eritrea or, for example, Gaza. | |
| Why are any of these people's interests not more important, far more important than the interests of the oligarchs? | |
| And it is because of this historical lineage that Robert described. | |
| Yeah, yeah, that was spot on, Robert and Simon, just with what you said as well. | |
| Yeah, I do support Russian sovereignty just as I support American sovereignty. | |
| I mean, and that's where I feel like people like you guys would be labeled as wrong for wanting that by your own party and even by the GOP. The GOP, they claim to be pro-America and yet People like myself are criticized for not wanting to give more money to fund these wars, to fund Putin's sovereignty. | |
| I mean, people don't know the history between Ukraine and Russia. | |
| I'm sure you guys do. | |
| You seem very intelligent and well-read, but people don't understand the full history between Ukraine and Russia and the cultural similarities, or I would say, honestly, just the same, really, culturally. | |
| I mean, Ukraine literally means borderlands. | |
| That's what Ukraine means. | |
| I mean... | |
| You're absolutely right. | |
| Nobody in the Democratic Party or the Republican Party understands that. | |
| And I mean, like I said, we're not Democrats. | |
| And so I wouldn't call it our party to say that the Republicans or the Democrats ever oppose us, which they do. | |
| But no, you're absolutely right. | |
| I mean, they're the same culture. | |
| They speak the same language. | |
| Ukrainians and Russians, they can understand each other, even when what... | |
| Even the most Ukrainian, Western Ukrainian, understands what Russians are saying in Russia because their culture only split off as a result of Vladimir Lenin and the Communist Party sort of divvying off Ukraine as its own section of the USSR. And then when the USSR fell, the West imposed that sovereignty and essentially said that Ukraine was its own country. | |
| And I actually think that Ukraine also deserves sovereignty, but that does not give them the right to hundreds of billions of dollars of U.S. funding to fight a war against Russians because they see Russians as orcs. | |
| That's what they call them, orcs. | |
| Yeah, and there's a lot of anti-Russian propaganda out there right now that's, of course, accepting of that language and accepting of hatred towards Russians. | |
| And it's interesting because, you know, you'll have people talk about how they're against the Israeli government, and then they'll be like, well, you must hate Jews. | |
| And it's like, well, I don't understand how the two are... | |
| Coincide. | |
| Plenty of people within Israel are very critical of Netanyahu. | |
| And in the same regard, just because you are against the Russian government, even if you were to be against the Russian government, why are you so anti-Russia in general? | |
| Why are you so anti-Russian culture and Russian people? | |
| So it is interesting how they kind of lump those two. | |
| We do have Robert back. | |
| Sorry, Robert, what were you going to say? | |
| I was just going to try to respond to where you had just gotten to with that idea. | |
| Which is just to say, and yeah, sorry for having to go there. | |
| I'm parked illegally. | |
| Oh, no worries. | |
| All good, we have you back. | |
| Yeah, I think, I mean, it's almost, I mean, it's like a cliche or whatever, but the mainstream media is essentially brainwashing large portions of the population to have these very strictly held beliefs. | |
| And it is just factually the case that when If you're standing in a crowd of 100 people and they're all doing something, you're going to find it hard not to do the thing that they're doing. | |
| That applies universally. | |
| Human beings, for whatever reason, we imitate one another, etc. | |
| I haven't really been able to get my mind off the situation in Gaza at all for the past few days. | |
| There's just a quote that I want to share with your audience, because I think we live in a moment where there's a sort of historical cycle that has returned to some kind of point of extreme... | |
| This moment in history is very fraught, and I think part of the reason why that is is because A lot of the crimes that really started happening a lot in the 1960s, certain very important crimes, such as the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr., are really sort of coming home to roost in the political situation right now. | |
| And, you know, King was assassinated in large part for his resistance to the Vietnam War. | |
| We still haven't really even figured out the consequences of that war, let alone the coup, the MI6-led coup that the CIA participated in in Iran in 1953, where we... | |
| I don't know if Mossadegh was the first democratically elected leader in Iran. | |
| I could be wrong about that, but he was a democratically elected leader, extremely popular national leader, and our intelligence agencies just ran over the national sovereignty of the country of Iran, | |
| and I don't think that I mean, I think that we need some kind of very large-scale truth and reconciliation process, and I think that that would be part of the reckoning that might actually bring this world situation out of just an ever-driving push towards calamity. | |
| And King's words are profoundly helpful for understanding the time that we're in now and the sort of The extreme moral responsibility that we have, and I just want to read you a quote, | |
| because we can talk until we're blue in the face or red in the face about how the media is doing these things, but if we don't articulate a positive response, then we won't, then we're still, they're still going to essentially succeed in keeping us from organizing, keeping us from Having an understanding. | |
| And I think when King says, a time comes when silence is betrayal, and that time has come for us in relation to Vietnam. | |
| The truth of these words is beyond doubt, but the mission to which they call us is a most difficult one. | |
| Even when pressed by the demands of inner truth, men do not easily assume the task of opposing their government's policy, especially in time of war. | |
| Nor does the human spirit move without great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought within one's own bosom and in the surrounding world. | |
| Moreover, when the issues at hand seem as perplexing as they often do in the case of this dreadful conflict, we are always on the verge of being mesmerized by uncertainty. | |
| But we must move on. | |
| And some of us who have already begun to break the silence of the night have found that the calling to speak is often a vocation of agony. | |
| But we must speak. | |
| We must speak with all the humility that is appropriate to our limited vision. | |
| But we must speak. | |
| And I think it's that simultaneous recognition that you have to do something. | |
| You can't just watch this YouTube video. | |
| You have to do something because people are being, children are being killed by bombs. | |
| Buildings are being bombed and the building is falling down and killing all of the children inside of the building right now. | |
| And that understanding that you, that means you have to do something. | |
| Well, people are going to find, they're going to say, oh, well, of course it's happening right now. | |
| So maybe I have to do something, but how can I do anything? | |
| I don't know. | |
| I'm not going to be able to draft a two-state resolution between Israel and Palestine. | |
| But this is King's point. | |
| He's saying, of course the situation is perplexing. | |
| All we have to do is speak out in all humility. | |
| World leaders need to speak out in humility, because clearly even world leaders don't know how to address the situation. | |
| So world leaders need to have the humility, like President Lula. | |
| I don't remember where he was. | |
| The president of Brazil, at a recent forum, he had prepared remarks. | |
| He set them aside, and he basically just said, we have to talk about peace. | |
| We have to talk about peace over and over and over again. | |
| We cannot let the world think that anything besides peace Is the most absolutely urgent topic of conversation. | |
| And he's speaking with humility. | |
| He's just saying, I can't believe that anyone would think that killing children is going to resolve whatever problems there are. | |
| And so it's that level of it. | |
| We have to accept the moral recognition that, literally, if you live in America, if you're an American citizen, if you're an American taxpayer, you have a moral responsibility. | |
| To address this in some way or another. | |
| And then when you find yourself not knowing or you find yourself where your pride is intervening and stopping you from doing something, then it's necessary that we realize that it requires humility to speak out. | |
| Because as soon as you start talking to these people like Hillary Clinton, they're going to tell you to shut the fuck up, sit down, And be a good subservient subject. | |
| And they literally don't care about the meaning of your life. | |
| So you have to have the humility to understand that there are people that think that of you and that doesn't matter at all. | |
| The point is that we have to speak. | |
| Yeah, and I think you're right, and I think one of the things that's so bad about people like Hillary Clinton is that they know your weaknesses, so they will use your weaknesses against you, and in the case of this whole Israel-Gaza conflict, they're exploiting Christians. | |
| Now, I'm a Christian myself, and they want us to believe that somehow that makes us obligated to go to war and give Israel whatever they want, whatever Netanyahu asks for, and if you take any other stance than that, then You know, you're wrong because that's a perspective of a bad Christian, that you're not allowed to be against Zionism if you're a Christian, that that's terrible for you to do, that that's anti-Semitic and you're a bad Christian. | |
| Now they know that label works on a lot of Americans considering around 70% of Americans do identify as Christian. | |
| And that is a perfect example of how they will exploit you. | |
| They will exploit you and you have to realize that it's all a strategy for them. | |
| You have to see through the lies and I think that everything you just said there is is is right as far as like what we need to do but I think people also need to recognize that these people will there's no link they won't go to lie to you and to exploit you and once you realize that you'll start to rethink a lot of the tactics that they've used against us as people of America to try and get us to support a cause that we never would have supported otherwise. | |
| Yeah and I think in the absence of of moral leadership In our government, or, you know, almost total absence of moral leadership, that's why I bring up Martin Luther King Jr., because I think at this time, | |
| we have to sort of, we have to choose our own moral leaders, and we have to look into history, and we have to look around the world, and inside our own lives, and we have to find the people that actually represent moral leaders, and we have to begin to really try to emulate them, | |
| and I think when you look at When you see the people that are abusing the name of Christ to essentially push their war profiteering, well, obviously that's not Christ's message. | |
| So then you look into history, and you have someone like King, who was truly a man of God. | |
| He lived and died by a message of unrelenting goodwill, a passionate zeal for For unification of the racial conflicts in America. | |
| And he really put his life on the line. | |
| Like Dick Gregory said, King was hard on the outside, soft on the inside, and he knew how to stick his neck out. | |
| He's like a turtle. | |
| And you have to look for people who have these qualities and you have to really just try to emulate them. | |
| Because it's... | |
| It's like you're saying. | |
| You can look in the world and you say, okay, I can't let these people manipulate me. | |
| But it's really hard to do that if you don't have leadership. | |
| I think we really require moral leadership. | |
| Yeah, well, you were right on the fact that certainly that moral leadership is not and nor will ever come from Hillary Clinton. | |
| But I do want to hear from you, Simon. | |
| What are your sort of final thoughts on all of this? | |
| Well, I would just say that, like, I mean, like the quote implores the average citizen of the American Republic, it is that, you know, you have to stand up and fight. | |
| And that's not a violent call. | |
| That's not a take up arms and overthrow the government. | |
| That's not a take up arms and shoot somebody. | |
| That is a use your voice. | |
| You are a member of a republic. | |
| That is a government by, for, and of the people. | |
| And so what that means is that these oligarchs, they are just ordinary people like you who have gamed the system to their advantage and rigged things. | |
| And yeah, it's difficult. | |
| And yeah, it's not the easiest option, but you must at some level, you must intervene for not only the destiny of yourself and your family and your community, but also for what is moral, what is right and what is wrong. | |
| And as Robert clearly outlined, it is wrong to bomb children in the name of God. | |
| It is right to use the name of God to overthrow these entrenched oligarchs with our minds. | |
| Again, nothing about this is a call to violence. | |
| It's not a call to go grab a gun and shoot somebody. | |
| It is a call to use the power of your mind, that is the power of the thoughts that you think, The power of what the founding fathers used. | |
| Yes, they fought a war. | |
| But before that war started, they used the most powerful tool that they had, which was their mind, to draft the Declaration of Independence, which angered the British so much that they started a war. | |
| It didn't begin as a war. | |
| It began with an idea. | |
| And the idea is the most important part. | |
| So if Americans can in their mind come to the conclusion that it is immoral what we're doing around the world to go to war in all these places, and they realize that the same people who are pushing bad domestic policies on us... | |
| The things that we don't want our kids to know, the things that we don't want pushed in our media and in our schools are the very same people pushing those things are the people pushing the wars and the people pushing the money laundering and the insider trading and all of this horrible corruption. | |
| As soon as Americans realize that and they use that idea to their advantage to go out in the street and do things like confronting politicians, Or reading important books and using the information that they learn in them to enact change in some way. | |
| That is the only way we're going to, you know, get past the current paradigm and into this new paradigm that many countries are already entering into. | |
| As you said, Putin is already on this page. | |
| He's already said, no, we're not playing along with this. | |
| We're going to do what Russians want to do. | |
| And you don't get a say in it. | |
| And that's what the Americans need to do. | |
| Yeah, couldn't have said it better myself. | |
| Thank you so much, Simon and Robert. | |
| We may not agree on everything, but this is certainly an area that we do agree on and all that we discussed today. | |
| And I'm just really glad that you guys came on because it's not often that you hear such a nuanced discussion about so many important topics. | |
| So God bless both of you and thank you for what you're doing. | |
| Thank you so much. | |
| I hope you have a wonderful day. | |
| Thank you, you too. | |
| Thanks for having us on. | |
| Appreciate it. | |
| course so yeah um i hope i know i thought that they were fantastic guests Like I said in the interview, I agree on everything. | |
| I'm not a big fan of Lula. | |
| I know he mentioned Lula. | |
| Nor am I really a big fan of Martin Luther King. | |
| I mean, he led a very sketchy life. | |
| We ended up on another day. | |
| But the message that they were speaking was certainly true. | |
| There is a major absence of moral leadership in this nation, in the West. | |
| And That moral leadership is not coming from the UN party and it's certainly not coming from the people who are calling for the war that they're trying to get involved in in Israel and Gaza and also in Ukraine and Russia. | |
| So guys, with All of that said, I do want to get going because it is almost 10 p.m., guys. | |
| So on that note, thank you so much for tuning in today. | |
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| You probably saw his Twitter handle there. | |
| Again, one of the most interesting interviews I've had in a while. | |
| I mean, they're two both very intelligent young men, and we need more people like that, more people who are... | |
| Aware of our country's history, of our world history, and I just pray that our school system gets a lot better in the coming years, because as we all know, the public school system is a disaster right now. | |
| And they don't really teach kids about history anymore. | |
| They're too busy teaching our kids about gender and all of the pronouns that exist. | |
| So that's pretty sad to see. | |
| But obviously, with those two kids, those two, I should call them kids. | |
| I mean, they're young men. | |
| They kind of give me hope. | |
| And I know I say that as a young person, too. | |
| I'm young. | |
| I'm in my 20s still. | |
| But it's just very rare to find people who are that well-read and that aware of our nation's history and, you know, geopolitics. | |
| So that's awesome to see. | |
| And especially it's awesome to see at such a young age. | |
| So now I definitely have to get going, guys. | |
| Have a great, great night. | |
| And I will see you tomorrow for another episode of Wrong Thing Primetime. | |
| Have a great night, guys. |
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