After Purging Gays, Should Pentagon Pay to Make it Right?
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This last Wednesday marked the 12th year anniversary of one of the biggest changes to military policy in our country's history.
There's a lot of talk in the halls of government all around this country, a lot of media attention about how this government makes it right for the almost roughly 100,000 veterans that this policy affected during the time that it was in place.
The question is, how much should researching this, discussing this, cost you and me and the taxpayers of this country?
In an already straining economy, is it appropriate that we spend all kinds of money to decide how we handle something from 12 years ago?
Today we're going to have a discussion about that, so stick with us.
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So this last Wednesday was the 12th anniversary of The repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
And just in case there's anybody out there that's not quite sure what Don't Ask, Don't Tell was, it was the policy or rule or law or legislation or bill or whatever the hell you want to call it that made it okay for you to serve in the military if you were homosexual As long as you stayed closeted.
If I don't ask you and you don't tell me, then it's no big deal.
And there's a lot of discussion about how the United States government should make this right.
Make it right for the almost 100,000 veterans that are out there now with Other than honorable or less than honorable discharges because they were asked to leave because of their sexual orientation.
Now, I have stated on this show before that in my almost 19 years of service in the United States Army, I served with many gay people.
Didn't care at all.
All great people.
There was a couple of them, I think, that were assholes.
And there's probably some folks that I served with that I didn't even know were gay.
Because to be honest with you, I didn't care.
And I think that for a lot of people, especially now, they don't care.
And so these About 100,000 veterans are asking for their discharges.
Any of them that received general or other than or less than honorable discharges are asking them to be upgraded to honorable.
And I don't necessarily disagree with that.
The one thing that I'm not sure that we need to support Is our government assembling a council or a board or whatever, a quorum of people to discuss this?
And pay them God knows what salary.
And it may sound a little...
Fickle of me or a little cheap of me to be concerned about what it's going to cost to pay some people to discuss what don't ask don't tell and not being able to serve in the military if you're openly gay did to these people because I'm sure that it damaged them it upset them whatever the case may be I'm not here to tell anybody how to
feel.
I'm not here to tell anybody that their feelings are wrong or that they're stupid or whatever.
But as I page through information every day, I start to think about what the hell is this costing us?
Where's the government spending our money?
Because it seems, folks, like day after day, week after week, month after month, we're not really getting ahead.
We're not getting ahead as communities.
We're not getting ahead as states or as a country.
Inflation keeps going up and we just keep paying it.
Bills are going up and we just keep paying it because you have to, right?
You gotta or you're gonna lose your stuff.
You gotta put gas in your car so you can get to work.
And even putting gas in your car is cheaper sometimes than taking an Uber every day or, you know, public transportation or whatever it is, depending on where you live.
But we have to do it.
And we can complain about it all we want.
But I personally am getting pretty fed up with it.
So I started doing some digging about where we spend money.
Where our government spends money.
And I focused on foreign aid.
Because in my opinion...
That's the one thing maybe that we could do some serious cutting back on.
Right?
And so what I found out was that there's two different types of aid, a foreign aid that the U.S. gives out.
There's economic aid and there's military aid.
And it seems to me that depending on the way it's worded, they're kind of one in the same or they go hand in hand.
But what's interesting is there's not a whole lot of specific information about projects that the US is giving money to elsewhere.
There's not a whole lot of information about who is getting this money, but just dollar amounts and countries that receive it.
And I suppose if I would have really dug in and spent a couple more hours on it, I could have got a whole lot more specific.
But my blood pressure was already going up, and so I didn't want to do a whole show on how much money we're spending on foreign aid, but I wanted to just kind of paint a picture.
And so I found this here, this article here, and I'm pointing at it like you can see it.
Obviously you can't.
And it is on a website called usafacts.org.
And it was published in February of 2022.
So it gives numbers for 2021.
So 2022's numbers aren't available yet, apparently.
And we'll be getting them, I guess, or they'll be putting them out or they'll be getting them or however that works this coming February for 2022.
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It kind of just paints a picture anyway.
We can assume that whatever numbers we see here, they probably went up, but just in different parts of the world.
And so what it is here is a map of the world and they're all highlighted with different colors of pink to purple in different shades.
The darker the country, the more money they got.
So in 2021, places like Ethiopia was given $1.4 billion from the United States of America.
Afghanistan was given $1.5 billion.
The Congo was given $891.7 million.
Colombia, $761 million.
Nigeria, $828 million.
You know, and it just goes on and on and on.
Now, there's some countries on here that are gray, which means they got zero funding from anyone in the world.
So places like Australia, there's Norway, Sweden, France, Germany.
I'm only going by the ones that I know because they don't highlight.
It looks like maybe Greenland and of course America, New Zealand, stuff like that.
And the reason why this is interesting is because on Wednesday, when I was reading headlines about the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, I came across...
I was reading articles about the anniversary of the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
I came across this tweet from this...
I'm going to put this on the screen.
Give me one second here.
This is not the screen we want.
We want this screen here, here.
Okay, Occupy Democrats.
This is on Twitter.
This stuff, you can't make it up.
Here's how it reads.
Now, this is from Wednesday.
This was breaking news.
Democrats take a bold stand against Republican bigotry by launching an effort to investigate the lasting damages inflicted by policies that discriminated against LGBTQ service members and veterans.
The move comes from the 12th anniversary of the repeal of military's Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy that removed thousands of brave Americans from the armed forces without honorable discharges.
This new initiative was introduced by Democratic Representatives Mark Takano, Sarah Jacobs, as well as Senator Richard Blumenthal.
Weird.
This could not possibly come at a more crucial time as the Republican Party is increasingly embracing overt homophobia and transphobia as MAGA consumes their base.
Isn't that interesting?
If successful, the initiative would create a 15-person commission To extensively study the Department of Defense's former policies of policing sexual orientation and gender identity in the uniformed services from the beginning of World War II onward.
And here's the three amigos here.
The commission would investigate the lasting psychological, financial, and professional impacts of anti-LGBTQ policies.
Ultimately, it would suggest appropriate ways to educate the public about institutionalized and government-sanctioned discrimination.
I don't know where any of these people have been.
In the last couple of years, but I'm pretty sure that if anybody nowadays feels like they're being institutionalized and a victim of government sanctioned discrimination, that they're screaming out loud and clear.
Do we really need a 15 person commission?
To study former policies?
The policy's gone.
The people who were asked to leave the military, they were asked to leave and they left.
Was it right?
Probably not.
Now, I will say this.
A homosexual lifestyle is not...
Not for me.
It's not the lifestyle I pick.
It's not the lifestyle that I try to instill into my children.
Whatever.
I have family members that are gay and I love them dearly.
I guess what I'm getting at is I don't give a shit.
I don't care.
I don't care if you're gay.
I will say that if you are a person who was discharged from the military with anything less than honorable discharge and you deserved an honorable discharge and the only reason you weren't given one was because you were gay then I believe they should upgrade it for you.
Simple as that.
No commission needed.
Because, check this out, after 12 years, I'm willing to bet that most of these folks have figured out a way to cope with these things,
to, I don't want to say forget, I don't even want to say forgive, but found a way to move on and keep on keeping on, if that makes sense.
You know, I don't understand where all this comes from.
Let's just finish this out quick.
For those affected, this could finally bring them the justice they have long deserved.
The time has come.
The time has come, folks.
But what's interesting about this is...
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Is that what they're doing now?
This is their way of getting their own platform so they can just do their thing?
Maybe it's their truth social exodus, right?
But listen, at the end of the day, If you're a person who was asked to leave the military because you're gay, I believe that you should have your discharge upgraded.
I really don't think that we need to add to more of the public discourse because we had an anniversary of the repeal.
I think that if the government is going to take any action They should make it right by offering you an upgraded discharge, which then will give you access to the benefits in which you deserve and earned through your military service.
The honorable discharge gives you access to things like education benefits, the VA home loan program, depending on your disability status, Even some property tax benefits on your home.
There's a lot of different things that you can benefit from.
But what really is...
Man, it's just what really gets at me is that we are...
We're not saying enough.
Guys, we're not...
We're not the squeaky wheel yet.
And I think that once that happens, then things will really start to change.
And maybe some of you are asking, well, what is it that we're supposed to be doing?
Well, one of the things in my opinion that you should be doing is talking about this stuff openly and honestly And heartfelt.
Be heartfelt about it.
Don't shy away from it.
Don't be afraid of hurting somebody's feelings.
Because at the end of the day, the truth is the truth.
And if it's an ugly truth, it's an ugly truth.
But there's a lot of things going on in this country that you and me...
And everyone around us, we're all paying for it.
And we're not asking enough questions.
We've run short on time on the segment, segment, but I have a really good three or four-minute clip of a podcast from Andy Frisella that was on some time ago.
But this kind of rung true to me when I saw it as it relates to what we're talking about.
It's not necessarily about military and veterans issues, but How the government is using us to finance their own empowerment and their own gain, whether it's financial or power or comfort or whatever it is you want to call it.
And meanwhile, the little people is what, you know, people like you and I, the ones that get up and go to work every day, That are feeling the thumb or feel like we're under the thumb of the elites.
We're the ones suffering.
And not only that, but we're also paying the bill.
And then asking, where the hell did our money go?
And then when you need help, as an honest, hardworking American...
You make too much money.
There may not be any help for you.
But yet the little bit of money that you do earn, half of it gets taken from you.
Almost 50%.
They say, a lot of people and a lot of stuff that I've read, a lot of experts, a lot of experts say that about 50% of your income It might be just short.
For some people, it might be a little more, depending on what you make and what you drive and where you live and what you have and what you don't have.
But almost 50% of every dollar that you make goes to taxes, goes to the government.
Are you getting your money's worth?
You think?
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Hey guys, welcome back here to the next segment of the show.
I was thinking over the break about something I said in the last segment.
That we're not doing enough.
That we're not saying enough.
And I want to add to that.
Because...
I think that that's not necessarily true.
I think that there's a lot of people that are saying a lot.
And there's a lot of people that are letting their opinions be known.
And I guess what I meant by that is that a lot of times it seems to me, and I could be wrong, you know, that's certainly possible.
I've been wrong about a lot of stuff in my life many, many times.
But it seems to me at times that we're not saying enough where it matters.
We're saying a lot and we're showing a lot of emotion and a lot of anger and a lot of angst and things like that in our circles.
We're saying a lot and showing a lot on our Twitter posts, on our Facebook posts, in our TikTok videos, or whatever it is, however you get that stuff out, if you're a person that likes to put those things out.
But I don't know that we're saying enough where it matters.
And where it matters are those places where some might consider A hostile environment.
Places that have people that are not going to agree with you.
I suppose I don't ever really support having these types of conversations when you're sitting at a bar with your buddies or at a dinner with friends and family or whatever because The last thing you want is for the politics or anything like that to get in the way of family members and stuff.
I think the one thing that really is kind of sad about this whole thing as it relates to the way that we coincide with each other when we have differences of opinion is that we've forgotten how to agree to disagree.
And still be friends and still be respectful of each other like it was some years ago.
I mean, you hear it all the time, right?
People quit talking to each other because one person voted for Trump or the other person was an Obama supporter or whatever the case may be.
And because you support this and I don't agree, then we just can't talk.
And in some cases, the friendships that have gone on for their whole lives are gone out the window.
And for what?
Because you don't agree?
And I think that sometimes that's the goal.
The division is the goal of this, whatever it is.
Some people call it the deep state.
Some people call it the tyrannical government.
Whatever you want to call it.
Maybe that is their goal.
It's to divide us as much as possible.
Because if we're divided, we're easier to conquer.
But I challenge you, I challenge you to ask questions and ask questions of the people that are making the decisions.
So our elected officials, our community leaders, and not just in state and federal offices, but local, local offices.
City, county, school boards, community boards, city councils, your HOA boards, all that stuff.
I'll tell you what.
We live in a housing development.
They're all single-family homes, but there's a HOA. And it's gotta be one of the most...
HOAs in general are just the bane of my existence, in my opinion, as it relates to my housing situation.
But this thing, man, that's probably one of the most corrupt things that I've ever witnessed.
And I've only been to like one function.
And you can just tell who's in bed, like not literally in bed, but who's in bed with who.
And then when you see things around your community that are being done, you can kind of tell who's running the show and who's calling the shots.
It's craziness.
But we're not asking the right questions and we're not saying the right words in front of the right people.
It's easy to have the conversation in a circle full of people you know agree with you.
Because everybody can get pissed off together and then we can all agree and we can all, you know, cheer each other on in our anger and our frustration.
But I think the real challenge comes when you're face to face with somebody who disagrees or a decision maker.
And then having an effective conversation about whatever the topic is.
So, in this instance, the members of the military who were asked to leave, some even jailed because they were homosexuals.
And it was against UCMJ law to be homosexual and be in the military.
They got caught in their same-sex relationship and they were put into jail.
And some of them may even still be labeled as felons or whatever.
I guess it depends on whatever they were charged with.
I don't think that that's right.
I don't know.
And the only reason I don't think that that's right is because I don't care.
And I don't believe anybody else should care.
If you do care, well, okay.
You know, many people say that the good Lord above didn't intend us to be homosexual, and for that reason, they won't support it.
Okay, that's fine.
I can understand where you're coming from.
I was raised in a Christian household.
In fact, I was raised Catholic until, I don't know, 11 years old or whatever, however old I was when my mother decided that we're going to go to a Protestant church.
As a person who spent more, at this point, more than half of my adult life as a member of the military, I don't care.
I don't care if you were gay.
Because some of the people that I served with, that I knew were gay, We're better soldiers than some of the straight people.
And so that tells me that it doesn't matter who you love.
It doesn't matter who you want to kiss.
It doesn't matter who you want to have sex with.
It doesn't matter who you're attracted to.
It doesn't matter who you want to marry.
None of that matters.
Because at the end of the day, our job is not to care about who you're dunking your twig and berries in.
It doesn't matter.
We're there to complete a mission.
And depending on what your job is, for me and the dudes that I served with, we were there to destroy an enemy by any means necessary with all the tools of war we had at our disposal.
With extreme prejudice and violence.
And when IEDs are blowing up and bullets were flying and Apache helicopters were shooting Hellfire missiles.
Not all of this at the same time, mind you.
I think nobody cared.
I didn't care if you were gay.
What I cared about was if I get shot in the leg or if I get shot in the neck, that you can render aid to me and save my life so that I can get home to my family.
The other thing that I cared about is that you trusted me enough to do the same for you.
That's what mattered.
And you're able to look past all of that.
You're able to look past all of this bullshit because our mission, on top of all other missions, if you ask me, is to make sure that we all go home together.
And I have a hard time understanding why being gay or straight, or even in today's environment, transgender...
Now, I don't agree with that, but whatever.
But even if you're transgender and we're in the field together...
If your uniform says U.S. Army and you got a flag on your shoulder and you and I are standing next to each other fighting the enemy in front of us effectively, I'm going to die for you just like you're going to die for me.
Hopefully neither one of us die and we kill the enemy.
None of them care if you want to cut off your wiener and become a woman.
None of them care if you want to add a wiener and become a man.
They don't care.
They'll kill you just the same.
So anyway, I digress.
I think that we got far enough down in the weeds of that, and I think I've made my point.
Anyway, I want to continue on and get this video in about Andy Frisella's view on how we, the American people, the American civilization, all of us, Americans in general, Are the biggest slaves in the world.
It's pretty strongly worded.
I'll tell you that now, but I don't necessarily disagree with him.
I am tired The American people are the biggest slaves of any citizenship in the entire world.
Let me tell you why.
Because the American people are the only people that are told, go work super hard, go take a massive amount of your life, and we're going to take at least half your money.
And then when we take half your money, we're going to send it overseas, or we're going to mismanage it, or we're going to steal it.
Or we're going to funnel it back into our political contributions.
Or we're going to send it over here for quote-unquote aid.
Okay?
Where's our Where's our age from Kuwait or any of these other rich countries to fix our homeless problem?
Do you ever notice that none of the other citizens on the planet work so that we can have a better here in America?
It's always the other way around?
Why the f*** are we, the citizens of the United States of America, financing the well-being of every other f***ing country in this planet?
Okay?
Until people wake up to that and say no more, s*** is going to continue.
This land of the free.
That's a f***ing joke.
That's a f***ing joke, dude.
Land of the free.
Land of the mother f***ing worker bees is what we are.
We work a work a work a work a work a work a work.
Government takes more than half of our money.
And you say, oh, well, they don't take half of mine.
You know, they only take half of the rich people's money.
Oh, really?
What do you pay when you buy s***?
What do you pay when you own s***?
What do you pay on your personal property?
What do you pay when you put gas in your car?
Okay?
And if you add all those things up that you pay, they're taking 50% of your money too.
And they're telling you to work, work, work, the America dream, the America dream, the America dream.
And then we'll take half your shit and we send it to other countries.
We are the world's ATM. The people of America are the world's ATM. It needs to end.
People need to say no more.
They need to get smart about taxes.
Do you ever question why you weren't taught personal finance, balancing your checkbook, or taxes when you were in high school?
Why isn't that part of the public education?
Why are they teaching instead gender ideology and all this f***ing bullshit?
Because they want you to be financially ignorant so that you will go through your life not realizing how much they're actually oppressing you and how much they're actually stealing from you.
And then they're going to tell you this is freedom.
No, the f*** it isn't.
It's not even close.
So that's what I'm tired of.
I'm tired of us being financially oppressed by our own government in the name of being quote-unquote good people to all these other people that want to kill us.
Right, and me and Tony is virtuous.
Well...
What do we think of that?
There's some truth there, I think.
First being, this conversation my wife and I have had many times as our kids were going through school.
This last summer we just graduated the last two boys, so all of our kids are now through high school.
But he brought up a good point.
Why do our children, why are they not learning any life skills?
Why are they not learning how to balance a checkbook?
Is it because now everything, we have a debit card for everything and everything's instant?
You can get on your phone and just see what you have in your account and then you walk into a store and you swipe it and then 30 seconds later you can get on your phone again and see what you have in your account?
The convenience?
And I get that.
I understand that.
But also teaching our children about the value of a dollar and how to be accountable for what you have and plan your finances is probably pretty important.
And maybe doing things like balancing a checkbook is maybe not as feasible anymore.
Because I'll be honest with you, I haven't written a check in, I don't even know how long.
But there's certainly a lot of things that our children could be learning in school.
A lot better things than what bathroom to use and having safe spaces to go cry and participation trophies, but learning life skills.
How about we teach our kids to Not isolate themselves in front of a screen and hang out with their friends at home on a screen.
The weirdest thing, I don't like to talk about my kids all that much, but I will tell you this story.
Earlier this summer, my youngest stepson had told my wife and I that He was going to go spend some time with his friends.
Just one evening, you know, whatever.
They were going to do whatever 18-year-old high school graduates do.
They'd probably run around in their cars and listen to loud music, whatever.
They're all good kids, all of them.
So my wife and I go, I think we went to dinner or whatever, shopping or whatever.
And come home at like 9.30...
And hear him in the basement screaming at his screen, at his Xbox screen.
And so you go down there and...
Or maybe he came upstairs or something.
What are you doing home?
It's 9.30.
I thought you were going out.
Oh yeah, yeah, we did.
We went out for about half hour, 45 minutes.
We went and grabbed something to eat.
And then everyone went home to jump on their Xboxes so we could hang out.
And I just couldn't wrap my mind around that.
I can remember being fresh out of high school and the worst thing that I could do, the worst place I could be in my mind at the time was at home.
Being out with the boys was probably the only thing that I was concerned about, that or my girlfriend.
But being at home?
So there's things like that, you know, I mean, Life skills aren't being taught.
And also, why are we?
Why are we paying 50% of our taxes?
50% of everything we earn is going out.
You have your income tax, state and federal.
You pay sales tax.
You pay property tax.
You pay...
Interest and tax on your vehicles, on your mortgage.
Every time, every year you have to renew your registration on your car, there's tax on that.
Everything that you buy, everything that you spend money on, almost everything that you spend money on, the government gets a cut of it.
So it may not be 50% out of your paycheck, but everything that you do The government gets a cut of.
And there's people all around the world that are benefiting from your cut.
In 2021, the United States sent just about 50 to 51 billion dollars all over the world in foreign aid, both economic and military aid.
We already know this year, the amount of military aid sent to places like the Ukraine is astronomical.
And I don't know what you do for work, but whatever you do, you're funding it.
I'm funding it.
And we don't have a choice.
And over all these years, all of these humanitarian aid missions and peacekeeping missions that the military does, that our government sends soldiers to do all these goodwill missions all over the world.
For what?
Now, I did read that the United States is the richest country in the world and so it's only right, it's morally right to help those less in need and I don't disagree with that.
But I also think that it is also morally right for us to clean up our own backyard before we help anybody else clean up theirs.
We have so many issues in this country That $50 billion could do a lot to help fix.
I mean, $50 million, or a lot less possibly, could probably end the veteran homelessness issue in this country.
Just end it.
No problem.
Homelessness in general.
There's a lot of homeless folks on the streets.
Americans.
United States citizens.
We have the true pandemic or epidemic in this country is illegal drugs.
Fentanyl is probably killing more people in this country Than just about anything else.
But we're sending our tax dollars overseas.
We're sending tanks and missiles and bullets and soldiers and food and all that stuff to the Ukraine to Africa, South America, all over the place.
And so I don't want to sound like we shouldn't be helping anybody because that's not my stance.
My stance is that we should be doing a lot more to clean up our own mess before we start cleaning up the rest of the world's mess.
I think I saw earlier this week that for about two and a half hours there was a solid line.
Didn't stop moving for two and a half hours.
Of illegal migrants walking across the border.
They were lined up for miles.
And when they were told to start marching, it was two and a half hours of what seemed to me, I mean of course I didn't watch it for two and a half hours, but the parts of the footage I did watch, there wasn't any women.
I didn't see maybe but two or three kids.
The rest were military-age males.
It makes one think that there's a possibility that somebody's right, that we're being invaded at our southern border.
But not only our southern border, all of our borders.
All of our borders are virtually unprotected.
Not because we don't have the manpower.
I think we're short on the manpower.
But the manpower we have is handcuffed.
But we have $50 billion to just play around the world with.
And I understand that building these relationships around the world provides us, in some cases, a strategic advantage in certain places in the world.
For example, helping Israel develop their missile defense system since they became a country.
That may have a strategic advantage to the US. But the strategic advantage to the US and Israel, it doesn't mean shit if we're falling apart.
It doesn't matter.
So the question is, what is it going to take for our leadership to understand that we need to clean what is it going to take for our leadership to understand that we need to clean up our mess before we
Thank you.
Maybe, maybe we can start With making it right for 100,000 veterans.
Maybe that's a good place to start.
My vote is this.
My vote is that any veteran who was forced to leave the military with a general other than or less than honorable discharge Because they are gay and otherwise would have deserved an honorable discharge.
They should be upgraded to an honorable discharge and given access to all of their veterans benefits.
Who cares?
Let them have it.
They deserve it.
They wore the uniform too.
I am not the moral police.
Thanks.
I am not the religion police.
When the end comes and I'm standing at the gate, I'm not going to be judged by I'm not going to be judged by whether or not these veterans were, things were made right for them.
I'm not going to be judged by the actions that made them leave because they were gay.
So, in my opinion, let them have what they deserve.
They deserve to have their benefits.
They deserve to have an honorable discharge if they would have gotten one other than the reason that they were let go.
I don't have to agree with them.
I don't even have to like it.
But it's not up to me.
There's a lot bigger problems to deal with.
Whether or not 100,000 veterans that have a difference of opinion than I do or are homosexual It doesn't affect me at all.
Give them their upgrades.
If they were labeled as criminals and put in jail, make it right.
Clear their records, give them their upgrades, and let them live out the rest of their days in peace.
And let them have that sense of accomplishment that they should have had whenever it was they were let go.
Who cares?
Who cares?
Give it to them.
And then let's get to work on cleaning up our own backyard.
Maybe that's a good starting spot.
Anyway, folks, that's all the time that we have for this week.