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Aug. 20, 2023 - Stew Peters Show
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Marijuana for Self-Medication: Should the DOD Allow Soldiers to Use It?
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Just 20 days ago, the state of Minnesota made recreational marijuana legal to use.
As I understand the law, anywhere that you can legally smoke a cigarette, you can smoke marijuana.
You just can't smoke it while driving your vehicle.
Many other states in the union, however, have made it legal long ago.
The one group of people, however, that are not able to legally smoke or ingest or use marijuana for any purpose are the members of the military.
Well, recently there's been some conversation in Congress about this issue and some pushback by some service members.
Today we're going to have a conversation about marijuana in the military.
So please stick with us.
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Okay, so today we are going to discuss marijuana in the military.
I think that it has become a pretty sensitive topic for some people.
Some people just do not want to admit that it may not be such a bad thing.
And of course it's our older generations.
But I don't think that you can stop the train, right?
It's becoming a thing all over the country.
So many states are making recreational marijuana legal.
Dispensaries are popping up.
And of course, our government is working to figure it all out, of course, because they stand to make a lot of money.
They tax the hell out of it.
And of course us as consumers don't mind paying it because people enjoy it.
Just like folks don't mind paying the alcohol tax or they don't mind paying the cigarette tax.
However, the United States military has still not let soldiers use marijuana for any purpose.
And there is quite the discussion going on.
It all started about, I don't know, a month, maybe two months ago.
Matt Gaetz, congressman from Florida, introduced an amendment to the NDAA, the National Defense Authorization...
I forget what it all...
National Defense Authorization Act.
Excuse me.
I should know that, right?
I'm a podcast host.
Anyway, he issued an amendment that would end cannabis testing for all service members.
His argument is that we need to just get with the times.
Not only do we need to get with the times, but if we're going to attract younger people To the services, this is something that we need to stop asking questions about.
Because around the country, as it becomes more mainstream, I guess is a good word.
As it becomes more mainstream, a lot more people are going to be using it, right?
And I guess I don't know where exactly I stand on the whole issue, right?
Some people say, well, soldiers can consume alcohol when they're not on duty, so why would they not be able to consume marijuana?
In fact, marijuana has lesser effects on you after consumption than alcohol does.
For example, People don't usually wake up hungover after consuming or smoking or inhaling or ingesting or whatever you want to call it.
Cannabis, the next morning.
Marijuana seems to be one of those things that you consume it depending on the amount you consume after X amount of hours, it goes away without very many lasting effects.
There's also some discussion about the VA using marijuana to treat veterans for post-traumatic stress, but I think that that's probably a whole other conversation.
However, I did read somewhere that on the VA's website, you know, that thing is like a, it's like a never-ending pit.
Some of it's BS, and you can just click here, click there, click there, and just keep reading, and before you know it, you have no idea what you started with.
But I did read on the VA's website somewhere an article about treating PTSD with cannabis, and some brainiac doctor had said in this article that short-term use...
For post-traumatic stress or some other mental health concerns can be a good thing.
It can help to help people to cope.
It can help people to kind of separate the thoughts from reality and kind of just get them to a baseline or like an even keel.
But then it went on to say that prolonged use It can be concerning.
It can be damaging.
It can be addictive.
You know, then they raise the issue of tolerance.
The more you use it, the more you're going to need to consume as you use it because your body becomes tolerant.
So then before you know it, you're going to have to use a whole lot of it for it to be effective.
And so here's the thing in my opinion.
For many, many years, I don't think it's any secret that folks have been using marijuana for a long time.
Illegally, of course.
And whether their tolerance is super high or not, there doesn't ever really seem to have been a shortage of So, if this is something that, you know, the more you use it, the more you need, you know, then the concern is, well, if we're smoking it, then we're putting all those toxins in our lungs and in our bodies.
And so, then we need to come up with alternative ways, which I believe is a thing, right?
There's gummies.
People are making baked goods.
There's all kinds of stuff.
I think I saw somewhere...
Somewhere in the country, there's even some restaurants that have whole menus of food and what look to be pretty good meals prepared with ingredients infused with or derived from cannabis.
And I'm assuming that it will get you high.
And so, I don't know that...
This is something that the Department of Defense should really be holding back on.
So, a couple things.
If I'm a young man, and let's say I live in the state of Arizona, right, where recreational marijuana is legal, or Minnesota for that matter now, although in Minnesota, we don't have dispensaries as of yet.
So let's say that I'm a young man in the state of Arizona.
I want to join the Air Force.
And I'm 19 or 20 years old.
And when I go sit down with a recruiter, I go to maps or wherever they ask you these questions nowadays.
And they ask me, have I ever used Any mind-altering substances?
Have I ever used marijuana?
Well, I've got to say yes, right?
I mean, if I've used it, I have to say yes, but it's not illegal for me to use marijuana.
So, now this precludes me from joining the military and So now we are pushing away all these candidates who are actually interested in joining.
We've talked about on the show many times how people are running away from the idea of serving in the United States military.
And if using marijuana as a young adult is going to also preclude you Well, I find it hard to believe that any of these young adults are going to give up using marijuana recreationally to join the military.
I'm sure that there'll be some.
I mean, we all did it, right?
Any of us that used marijuana before we joined the service, we had to give it up, right?
We had random tests.
I'm an open book.
I used marijuana before I joined the military.
I never used it my whole career.
Did I have opportunities?
Plenty of them.
But you weren't allowed to, right?
You weren't supposed to.
And you certainly didn't want to be one of those soldiers called out of the formation for coming up hot.
On your urine analysis test.
So maybe this is something that the DOD will hopefully take into account.
The other thing maybe to think about is soldiers who are already in the military and are using substances to self-medicate for PTSD or any other kind of mental health issue or physical ailments, any kind of physical pain.
We do know that substance abuse in the military is an issue.
Alcohol is a huge issue.
In my experience, everybody drinks.
Or at least in our units.
I mean, not everybody, but I'd say 95% of the unit, everybody drank when the opportunity was given.
Everybody drank at home.
Many of us drank to excess when we had the free time.
You know, during drill weekends or ATs or our active duty times.
But, you know, in the National Guard, you spend a lot of time as a civilian, right?
And so you go to work 9 to 5 and come home and you have some drinks and you do whatever it is you do.
You know, you go to baseball practice with the kids or You know, you sit down to dinner and you have a drink with dinner, all that stuff.
The point is that soldiers self-medicate.
Because also, as we've talked about on the show, there is a lot of stigma.
There's a lot of stigma with going to sick call for this, that, this condition, or this injury, or You know, my back is killing me.
Yeah, well, my back hurts too, so just, you know, do your thing, get to work.
And so a lot of guys and gals, they go home and they drink or they have some marijuana or they take painkillers or they do whatever it is they need to do, usually not a healthy self-medication, to treat the pain.
But then you wake up early in the morning for PT and you go through it all over again the next day.
So, maybe this would have less of an effect.
Right?
I mean, how many soldiers would show up to PT in the morning hungover from smoking a doobie the night before?
I don't know.
But I found this article and it said nearly 33% more recruits tested positive in 2022 than in 2020 when going to join the military.
They test you, right, when you go to join.
So we had 33% more in just two short years.
That's a lot and I think it probably has something to do with the idea that many states across the country were legalizing marijuana.
And so now when we're hurting for recruits, for troops, we're going to limit those folks who have used marijuana in their past, even if it was their recent past, even if they intend on never using it again.
Stick with us, folks.
We'll be right back.
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Let's just keep going.
I got a list of a few points here to discuss and these were some objections or concerns that were raised during this discussion about military members not being tested for marijuana any longer.
One of the other ones was about soldiers or service members getting high at work during the duty day.
And I think it's a ridiculous argument because anybody else who goes to work every day, who's not allowed to use substances while at work seems to get by okay.
You know, the argument was, well, you know, it's a whole lot easier To get some marijuana into work and to use it than it is alcohol.
I mean, I don't know that that's really a thing.
I think that if you want to...
First of all, if you want to be a shitbag and you want to bring those things into your place of employment and put your career and your livelihood in jeopardy, Then go ahead and do it.
But I don't know that any of them are easier.
I think that people who have made the decision that they're going to drink at work, drink at work.
People who have made the decision to use marijuana or cocaine or meth or whatever else at work, do it.
So I don't know that that's a good argument.
The fact of the matter is this.
When you join the military, from day one, they pound into your head core values.
In the United States Army, there are seven core values.
One of them, and in my opinion, one of the most important ones, they're all important, but one of the most important ones is integrity.
Do the right thing, even when nobody's watching.
And so, if you're told, hey man, you can't use marijuana during the duty day, obviously, then don't use marijuana during the duty day.
And if you do, and you get caught...
Then you are going to have to pay the price.
There's a consequence for that.
Just like you would if you were working at McDonald's, if you were working for some Fortune 500 company, it doesn't matter where you're working.
If you violate the rules and regulations of the place that you work, that your employer puts out, then you suffer the consequences.
The military is no different in that regard.
The other part is this.
Aside from the fact that when military members are in a forward area, when they're deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan, anywhere around the world, to a forward area, meaning like a combat zone, you're not allowed to drink either.
So, there's no alcohol.
Just like there would be no cannabis use.
And in our experience, my experience, the only time we were allowed to consume alcohol when I was in Iraq was when we were able to go on a four-day pass.
We were able to go to Doha, Qatar, where you could have three beers a day.
It was great.
It was kind of a nice little treat after months and months of non-alcoholic St.
Pauli girl or BEX I think they had at the PX on our base.
And it was great.
And then of course you have those people who Well, I don't drink, so if you want my beer, I can sell you one of mine for $60.
And soldiers, of course, were buying them because they just had to have a fourth or fifth or sixth beer.
But it was nice to just be able to sit back, relax, have a real beer, kind of hang out with the boys, you know, talk some trash, and just relax a little bit, not have to be on edge, not be hypervigilant.
But other than that, there was no foreign substance use allowed, right?
And so the conversation was, look, we're all grown men.
You're going to have the opportunity to drink alcohol again.
So don't do anything stupid.
Deal with it.
Figure it out.
We got a job to do.
Go do your job.
And when it's over and we go home, knock yourself out.
And I don't see how this would be any different.
I don't see how marijuana would be any different.
But for some reason, there's like these gatekeepers, right, that just don't want it to happen.
And I'm not sure that this is This is a fight they're going to win because I think that the masses of people that are for the use are making a pretty good argument.
I think that anything used in excess can be bad for you.
It can be dangerous.
It can turn out horribly.
Anything used in moderation or responsibly, I think is a good thing, right?
If you choose to use it, if it works for you and it kind of just helps you unwind maybe and put the demons maybe that you have in your mind aside for a little while.
I guess I don't understand why that would be a huge problem.
But, you know, here's the other thing that kind of troubles me about it, is that there's all these people saying that, yeah, you should allow the soldiers to use it.
And then on the other side, there's a ton of people who are saying, absolutely not.
It's too dangerous for our service members to be using cannabis.
We should not let them do it.
How about we give these men and women some credit and allow them to make the decision when and if it is allowed to be used recreationally in the military While not on duty, after the duty day, so between the...
For, you know, let's say normal hours, right?
Between the hours of 5 and...
Between 5 p.m.
and 5 a.m.
1700 to 05.
Why not let them make the decision?
Because as an individual soldier, we're all aware...
We're all aware of the risk involved in whatever job it is we do.
We're all aware of what can happen if we're not on our A-game.
So like, for me and the team I was on, you know, I mean, we were just an infantry platoon.
I'm not trying to make it sound like we were some super secret squirrel team that was cut above the rest.
We were just your average everyday infantry platoon.
I think we were good at our jobs.
But if you're not on your A-game, you're not doing your job correctly as part of the team, not only do you look bad, If you're concerned about that.
But also your brothers are in danger.
The person in front of you, behind you, or to the left and right of you are also in danger by you not doing your job.
And not just in a forward area while fighting, but also in training.
Right?
Because we train as we fight.
And so if I show up to work And let's say we're gonna do mount training, urban combat training, and we're gonna train this week on clearing a city, a small village or a city or something like that.
Yeah, we're not shooting live bullets, but there's a lot of ways to get hurt.
There's a lot of ways for your buddy to get hurt if you're not paying attention.
And so if we're not on our game, either I'm going to get hurt or my buddy could get hurt.
And why would anybody want that on their conscience, right?
Because when the real thing does come around and we are in a forward combat area and we are taking a village and we are taking a city and we're clearing buildings door to door to door, then somebody will die.
If you're not on your game and if you're not training as you would fight and taking training as serious as you can, as serious as the real thing, people die.
People get hurt.
And that is the responsibility that you put in each other's hands.
Now, subsequently, If you're a mechanic, right, and you show up to work, and you're all hungover every day, and you're working on our vehicles, and we get 30 miles from our base out doing a mission,
and our vehicles break down, or our vehicle breaks down one of them, and now the whole platoon is out there stranded because our mechanic wasn't on his A-game or her A-game.
Everybody's in danger.
It's a whole lot of unnecessary bullshit that everyone has to go through.
And so, I guess I don't understand why we don't give our service members some more credit as it relates to this topic about whether or not to use it, first of all.
Second of all, whether or not to use it at a time when it's acceptable, right?
Like, clearly, we're not going to use it when we're deployed.
If I know that tomorrow we're gonna do mount training, we're gonna do urban combat training for the rest of the week.
Tonight I'm probably not gonna drink in excess or I'm not gonna consume a bunch of cannabis.
Maybe in three days when the training's over, and then maybe we have a day off, or the next day is a recovery day, so we're gonna spend our time cleaning our gear, maintaining our equipment, fixing anything that was broken.
Okay, well then, not to say that we can afford to be hungover, but if we're not out in the field, Being on like your A- game might be okay.
Or your B- game.
I don't know.
I think that at times the powers that be treat soldiers or talk about soldiers or military members as if they're children and they can't make the right decision.
Which may be part of the reason why some service members struggle so much when they get out because they're not left to make a decision at all.
This is the regulation.
This is what you're going to do.
This is when you're going to do it.
And this is how you're going to do it.
Do you understand?
Yes.
Great.
Okay.
Go get it done.
And in some aspects, it's great.
It takes all the guesswork out.
It doesn't leave a whole lot of room for a bunch of unnecessary questions or anything like that.
But I think that the key here is that if the rest of the country is making this stuff legal and more socially acceptable, I don't understand why we would limit our soldiers from using it.
With the idea that they're going to display some integrity.
They're going to keep the welfare and the success of their battle buddies and the people around them At the top of their priority list also.
Knowing that if I show up and I'm not in good form, that it doesn't just affect me, that it affects everyone else around them.
Somebody can get hurt, somebody can get killed.
And let's not be mistaken, folks.
A lot of service members, a lot of service members get severely injured or even killed in training events because of accidents.
Some were easily preventable, some not.
But at the end of the day, we have to keep our service members accountable, of course.
We also have to let them Make some decisions.
I don't know that the government's going to stop this, right?
They're not going to stop with this legalization of marijuana around the country.
It's only a matter of time before everywhere has legal recreational marijuana.
They stand to make too much money not to do it.
And I think that there's enough research out there and there's enough documentation about the effects or the non-effects, if you will.
There's enough of it out there to disprove a lot of the stuff they used to tell us.
Back in the late 80s, early 90s about marijuana being a gateway drug and all this stuff.
I don't know if all that's true.
I think that the medical field has been able to prove that there are a lot of benefits.
I think the mental health field has been able to prove that there's benefits.
I think that recreational use People who use it recreationally have been able to report and show that there's benefits.
And I think that the data is proof enough.
I mean, how many of us have woken up on a Sunday morning or a Saturday morning or any morning After being over served maybe at our local watering hole or at a barbecue or a party or, you know, just sitting down to dinner at home and just felt like crap all day.
And those of us who are getting older after over serving ourselves or being over served feel like crap for two, three, four, five days.
Many people say They wake up in the morning after a night of using marijuana and they feel wonderful.
It may be a little foggy, but physically they feel wonderful.
I don't know how you argue with that.
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Hey guys, welcome back here.
We're running low on time.
We're nearing the end of the show.
And I want to just kind of sum it all up.
And you know, here's my thing on the whole topic of service members using cannabis.
I see it going in the direction of it's going to be a very slow process, right?
I think that What may happen is that the DOD will do something like non-combat MOSs will be able to...
They'll do like a trial thing, right?
So non-combat MOSs.
So that means if you perform a job in the military that is not a combat job, if you're not in the infantry, you're not You're not a tanker.
You're not a pilot.
You don't...
Forward observer, artillery, mortars, that type of thing.
Military police, maybe.
All that stuff.
Anything that's out fighting the fight.
So, if you're a cook, if you're an admin...
If you are a mechanic, maybe, if you're in the dental field, whatever that is, logistics, you'll be able to try it, right?
And they'll kind of do a testing phase on those folks, and then they'll slowly open it up to everybody, possibly.
Or, the DOD will just stand firm on it, right?
And they'll never, and they'll just never do it, or maybe it'll take another 15 years before they just say, okay, well, whatever, we'll allow it.
But, at the end of the day, I believe that people are going to do what they're going to do anyhow.
And, What's gonna end up happening is we're gonna find ourselves in the situation as it relates to our military and the numbers.
I think if we have the conversation just about bodies, it'll be part of the discussion, right?
If the conversation ends up being just about recruitment and recruit numbers, Then this whole thing about marijuana testing will become a whole lot louder.
And it'll overturn a whole lot quicker.
And probably the other thing that'll happen is they'll say, if you're coming in, we will no longer test you upon entry.
And we will no longer ask you if you've ever used marijuana in the past.
And then nobody has any reason to be worried about using it in the past and coming into the military and being denied or kicked out early or whatever.
I mean, it says right here, from 2020 to 2022...
A 33% increase in recruits tested positive.
So clearly it's becoming an issue for people coming into the service.
And what would really be interesting to see is the numbers of where this 33% were at geographically around the country.
Did a large amount of these recruits come from states That already had legal recreational cannabis.
I don't know.
Maybe they did.
I'm willing to bet that majority of them came from states that already...
Or bordered states that already have recreational marijuana.
Which might be just about all of them.
Because I can tell you that...
I believe that it's a thing where, you know, a group of friends get in a car and they'll drive, you know, six, seven hours and make a road trip, a weekend road trip out of going to the nearest state that has legal marijuana and they'll walk into a dispensary and they'll buy what they want and they'll go home.
They'll spend the night somewhere and then they'll go home the next day and, you know, make a little weekend out of it.
Who knows?
Who knows what people are doing?
None of it surprises me anymore.
But what I can tell you is that if we left this decision mainly up to the service members, I think that we would be just fine.
Because I think that even if Folks that join initially don't really play well with others, so to speak.
You kind of get in that mode.
If you stay in, if you make it through your initial training and you make it through your first six to eight months, which I think most people do, because if you don't, you find that it takes a lot longer to get out In a negative way than it does just to do your time.
Do your contract, your first contract, and don't re-enlist if it's not for you.
But at least get her done.
But I think that you end up seeing the value, right?
And you just fall into the mode.
And you understand and you get it.
Like the whole concept just kind of clicks after a little while.
And it makes sense.
And you become close with your battle buddies, and you start finding some success in your training, in your job, and you just grow, and you grow as a team.
And so then when you're faced with this decision whether or not to use this mind-altering substance when you go home because your back hurts, Knowing how it affects you.
I mean, I'm sure that cannabis affects everybody differently.
If you're the type of person that uses it and in the morning you just don't feel right, which I don't know how many people that would be, then you don't use it.
If you know that the morning after you use, you have a joint or you have a gummy, and the next day you're kind of a load for half the day, well then you don't do it.
When you have a training event the next day, or even have to work the next day, maybe it's something you do on Friday night.
Which would be fine.
If you don't have to worry about being tested on Monday morning.
But I think the key here is if we give soldiers the benefit of the doubt and show them that they're allowed to make their own decision, for the most part, that everything would be okay.
And it would be just like anything else, right?
I can remember when marijuana first became legal in Colorado.
There were reports coming out that the place was just a madhouse.
The whole city smelled like weed and people who didn't use marijuana just hated going there.
Everyone was going nuts and everyone was high.
It was ridiculous.
Well, maybe it was.
But to the best of my knowledge, Colorado is a beautiful place to be.
Once again.
Because just like anything else, when you tell somebody, nope, nope, nope, nope, can't do it, can't do it, you can't use it, don't do it.
If you do it, you're going to go to jail.
If you do it, you're going to lose your job.
If you do it, you're going to get kicked out of the military.
And then all of a sudden, oh, yeah, okay, go ahead.
People are going to go nuts.
They're going to go nuts, and they're going to abuse it.
But only for so long.
I believe that there'll be that normalization period, right?
Where it goes from, holy effing crap, to, okay, well, yeah, I suppose, you know, yeah, I'll have some.
Or, nah, no, I'm good, man.
Not today.
We have to allow for that, right?
I mean, work that into the plan.
Everything, at least in the Army, they talk all the time about backwards planning, right?
So let's backwards plan that.
We already know that when and if they lift the ban on marijuana in the military, people are going to be stoned all the time.
But not forever.
It's going to wear off.
And trust me, If the Army in particular is good at one thing, they're really good at making up dumbass stuff.
Sergeant Majors will be running around.
Those Good Idea Ferries will be running around all over the place.
And maybe in this instance it's okay.
Maybe it's needed.
But I don't know that you're going to stop it, folks.
I don't know that it's going to happen.
Anyway, I'd be interested to hear what your take is on it.
I think that there's a lot of folks that have differences of opinion about this topic.
And so please feel free to leave a comment down below.
And let's have a discussion about this.
I think that it's a...
It's always an interesting discussion because there's so many different points of view on it.
With the last couple minutes, I wanted to just bring up something from last week's show.
There was a few comments about last week's show where I was talking about the Sound of Freedom movie and Tim Ballard and all this other stuff.
And there was comments about how Tim Ballard's a liar and, you know, pedophiles were funding the movie and, you know, all kinds of stuff.
And, okay.
Maybe so.
And to the best of my knowledge, I don't know that Tim Ballard's a liar.
I think if there's any truth to his story, according to you guys, it's all a lie.
But if there's any truth to it, Well, then he gets my respect.
Furthermore, my whole point of that show was not to glorify and put Tim Ballard on a pedestal, although I think he deserves some respect for his efforts in what he has done to help save children.
My whole point of That message, and maybe I didn't convey it clearly enough, was that there are stolen kids out there being abused.
And I guess to be completely honest, I don't give two shits who's funding the movie.
I don't care.
That's way above my pay grade.
All I was simply trying to say was that if we got a bunch of people together that were committed to saving these children, I think we could make a good go at it.
That's it.
And I think that veterans who already have a lot of the skill set that may be necessary to complete such a goal Would be great for that job.
And so...
Okay.
Tim Ballard, you're a liar, I guess.
And some high-profile pedophile paid for the movie about your story.
So says some dude in the comments.
Who's a keyboard warrior.
So...
I don't know.
They accused me of not doing my research.
You're right.
I didn't do my research on Tim Ballard.
I didn't do my research on the pedophile group that funded the movie because I don't care who funded the movie.
That's a whole different conversation for a different time.
So, anyhow, folks, thank you very much for joining us and checking out the show.
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