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Aug. 11, 2023 - Stew Peters Show
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S.E.L.F. WELLNESS EP.4 - Gary Rosen, PhD | THE DANGERS OF MOLD
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The more energy efficient that we become, the more airtight that we make our houses, the more toxic it is for our environment.
Our technology is vibrating the air at a rate of speed.
Anything that is.001 microns or larger does not stand a chance in the presence of not only photocatalytic oxidation, but needlepoint negative ionization.
We're sending out a This is an ion wave that is going through walls, doors, floors, carpets, paddings, draperies, and it's synergistically vibrating the air and it's going to drop it down to the ground as a biologically inert substance.
Now this is where you're going to come in.
You can mop this matter, you can vacuum it, you can sweep it, but our technology is going to make sure that you're not continuously breathing this in.
Grand Rising America, welcome to another wonderful podcast on sound, energy, light, and frequency.
As we dive into the food, the water, the air that we breathe, we are going to explore today what I call one of the silent killers.
I am going to be bringing on one of my favorite speakers that I probably will ever bring on.
I have known this man for multiple years.
And I can tell you that his background from...
He has a PhD.
He's a biochemist from UCLA. He even got his Florida Builders license contract many, many years ago.
And the story that he's going to share with you guys about mold...
That's right, M-O-L-D, mold.
It is going to be a whirlwind of surprise when people realize how toxic this stuff is.
There's a reason why they call it the silent killer.
And anybody who lives in South Florida, you guys know, anywhere you go, you guys are now seeing these things popping up.
Got mold, got mold.
And this is not just when hurricanes come through.
And people who live in regions far away from Florida have been exposed to mold.
So I'm going to be bringing in Dr.
Gary Rosen, and I hope that you guys sit down, buckle your seats, and pay attention because mold is a serious issue.
Dr.
Gary, can you hear me?
I can.
Fantastic.
Real quick, before we dig into this, can you share your story?
Specifically, what made you so passionate about educating people on the dangers of mold?
Well, about...
22 years ago, I was building homes in the Miami area for my brother's company.
And I started getting into, you know, how do you build a home that's going to be healthy?
It's going to be mold-free.
And so some of the building materials have a little mold.
But basically, it turns out that there's several types of construction defects.
That affects the AC closet and the ducting.
And if you basically make sure that the AC closet is not sucking in attic air, which 95% of them do because nobody cares when they're building homes that they leave some openings there.
So I was getting self-educated in the issues with mold.
And then A couple years later, my daughter got sick, very, very sick from mold in school.
Turns out there was toxic mold in the...
It was a private school, and they had like an overflow kind of trailer.
And the trailers, they often have leaks, and they get inside the walls.
And so she was so sick, she spent...
Six months in bed with headaches, chemical sensitivity, all this type of stuff.
And then it turned out that it was mold.
And then we investigated different types of treatments.
So we self-treated her.
I know a lot about the biochemistry.
I... Bought a bunch of appropriate types of chemicals from India and in a matter of three days she started getting better but it took her a whole year to get better and she was a kid.
So what happens is older people get exposed to mold and it's usually in It would appear to me that many of the older people that are aging prematurely It's because they're living in houses and constantly getting
exposed to these mold toxins.
And typically, they cause respiratory problems and things like that.
But the issue is, when you're constantly being exposed to mold, the spores land inside the smallest areas of your lung, and you need a white blood cell to actually Go in there and remove that mold spore and that decreases, excuse me, your bandwidth to basically protect against cancer and all sorts of things.
So people that say, well, mold causes this or causes that, you know, they laugh at them.
Well, there's no evidence.
Well, but if you just look at the issue is if it's eating up half of your white blood cells on a constant basis and You get some weird disease that you have no idea about.
It makes sense that it's caused not necessarily by the mold itself, but as a result of your body having to fight off a huge amount of mold exposure every day.
So anyway, we treated her, got her better, and then I I had my building contractor license and I decided I went to probably five or six different schools that teach you about the mold remediation and most of it was sort of phony because people want to make money doing work for insurance companies
big jobs and they want to rip out drywall and they want to rebuild or rip out kitchens but the fact is that If there's even a lot of mold in a wall, exposure is from breathing.
And when you talk about breathing, you talk about air quality, and you talk about basically mold, dust mite feces in ducting.
And insurance companies do not pay for duct cleaning.
And so nobody goes to look at that.
Somebody calls...
You up?
And they say, I'm sick, this, that, and the other.
You know, they want to find, make believe it's something in a wall, because then they can rip it out and charge the insurance company.
And it's a constant fight, and it sounds pretty bad, but the medical profession, they are almost never going to point out that you're Problems,
your irritation, your allergy-like symptoms are from ducting, because if they fix that, then instead of having somebody to come in every two weeks for the next 20 years, getting treatments for, you know, allergic reactions or whatever it is, they're going to self-heal in a very short amount of time.
So, you know, I'm not one of these criminal conspiracies or whatever it is, but There's certainly, you know, businesses involved.
And, you know, I don't know if I'm going off subject, but...
No, no, listen, and Dr.
Gary, we wear it as a badge of honor, where, you know, we have the badge of honor of conspiracy theory kings and queens of the people that we hang out with, because what you're saying is the language that we speak.
If something simple is cleaning up the ducts and getting rid of what's making people sick...
Yeah, now that's...
That's not simple cleaning the ducts because duct cleaners don't clean ducting.
If you go to the EPA website and they have a pamphlet or a short book on should I have my ducts cleaned and the answer is based on their studies, duct cleaning doesn't help at all And the reason is, at least in Florida, duct cleaners are non-licensed.
They're scam artists.
In order to clean ducting in Florida and most places, some or all of the ducting is lined with fiberglass.
And you have to cut open any fiberglass connections, ducting.
So if you have like a flex duct that's coming off of the main AC, and let's say it's 16 inches.
So it goes into a box at 16 inches and then out to 12 inches, 6 inches, whatever it is.
So that fiberglass box is lined with fiberglass and the dust particles are My wife says, like an English muffin, and the dust gets in there.
The dust then, over time with humidity, turns into mold, and you You can't really clean that without cutting those things open and refurbishing it.
So the duct cleaners don't clean ducting.
Because my background is a biochemist and mold remediator, we get a lot of calls.
My wife Handles the calls.
And I took my kids to my grandparents or Orlando for a week.
And man, every morning we woke up, no sinus problems, no eye irritation.
And then they come back like I'm sick in the house.
So they explain this to Linda.
And she says, it's your ducting.
And they say, no, it can't be my ducting because I had it cleaned.
And then Linda says, no, you didn't.
And then, of course, they start freaking out.
And how can you tell me I didn't?
So she says, look, you paid to have it clean, but they don't clean it.
And so you have to go up in the attic, take the ducting apart, physically clean every square inch of it, and then seal it with a special type of sealer.
So The only people that do that are general contractors that specialize in that area, and no insurance.
But, you know, somebody's sending their kids to an allergist, you know, every two weeks, all the medications or whatever it is like, you know, you spend a couple thousand dollars getting your ducts refurbished, and your kids are better, And not that you're worried so much about saving money, but everybody's worried a little bit about saving money.
So the industry, whenever somebody says, mostly they go to environmental doctors, the environmental doctors, the main thing that they want to do, not cure anybody, because then they lose money.
So it sounds horrible.
But I have this website called survivingmold.org, which is similar to a famous website by medical professionals, survivingmold.com, and they didn't happen to purchase the.org, so I did, and I have a complete analysis of all their BS, and what they do is...
They tell you, you say you've got a problem, whatever they are.
So they tell you, it's probably mold.
Go get, I'm going to send you a dust magnet and go wipe the tops of all your door casings at any place where dust is collecting for years.
Wipe it till it's black, okay?
And then send it into this lab and they'll do an analysis.
So it's like, Dust is partially made up of mold.
If you wipe something until it's black, it's completely not quantitative.
It's completely guaranteed to show mold.
And then these people are desperate.
And then the doctor says, okay, well, now that we know what it is, we can cure you.
So then they...
And then they treat you with toxin binders.
And those toxin binders bind bile salts, vitamin D, your hormones.
So the treatment is making you sicker and sicker and sicker.
It's unbelievable.
So anyway, I wrote three booklets on that, and I published it on my survivingmold.org, but nobody reads it because they trust their doctor.
It's unbelievable.
And so, fortunately, we've been doing this a long time, and we've got good ratings on Angie and Google.
And so people find us on there and it's like, well, you know, let's see what this guy has to say.
So here's the deal.
If you're waking up in the morning clogged up, eye irritation, sometimes sinus headaches, and you're fine when you're not in your house, okay, well, It's your ducting.
Unless you've got 30-year-old shack carpet, five dogs crapping on the floor, or whatever it is.
So, you know, 99% of the time, it's the ducting.
So, we know that once we refurbish the ducting, that All their symptoms are going to go away.
So we have a thing that says, look, you know, so our procedures, a little more extensive than duct cleaners that don't clean duct.
And we have a PowerPoint, we send it to them.
And, you know, it looks like we know what we're doing.
But we guarantee that within 24 hours, all their symptoms go away.
So it's like a third of our business.
It's fantastic.
And, you know, people refer us to somebody else, but the doctors, that, you know, when you're talking about this scary killer, you know, it wears you down and,
you know, you can't really say it kills you, but we know that there's toxins, Immunosuppressives and irritants in and on the spores that you're breathing.
And over time, it wears you down.
And if you're not young and healthy, you know, it's...
I can't say kill you, but, you know, it could certainly shorten your life.
And it's just...
I've never done a study, of course, on it.
But my thought is that a lot of these old people...
That are in apartments, constantly leaking full of mold, and they start falling apart.
It may not be that it's just that they're getting old, because it may be that they're getting old and worn down because they're being constantly exposed to mold.
So, yeah, that's a theory.
But we do know for a fact that If the people are away from their home and are good, and they go back to the home and they're clogged up and irritated and could be even more, and then when we fix the ducting, 24 hours, all the problems go away.
So that's a pretty good scientific experiment when you do it 500 or 600 times.
I would say that you've got some expertise in the field.
How comfortable are you tackling mycotoxins?
So a lot of people talk about mycotoxin exposure, and I know for a fact that whether or not people believe it, I know for a fact that one of the processes that you've used is way, way, way better than than what anybody else is doing in the market as far as, you know, anybody who thinks that they can just go get a bottle of cleaning vinegar, you know, at 6% and wipe it down on the walls and they're just going to be okay.
They've got another thing coming because mold is so complex.
And like you said, if you don't Redo the ducts.
If you don't seal them properly, you can have somebody come in and seal the whole house in and do an amazing treatment, but if the same condition in the attic that was causing the mold to happen in the first place, which you know is from an improperly sealed duct, or it was from piss poor planning from the contractor, These problems will then come back.
So doing it right, you know, I always tell people when they ask me when it comes to any type of job, you know, especially when in the home, they say, what's the most expensive job that I can ever do in my house?
And I say it's the one that you have to do twice.
So if you're going to get it done, you should get it done right the first time.
How dangerous are the mycotoxins?
Well, it has to do with sensitivity.
There's one type of mold.
They call it black mold.
It produces a neurotoxin that was used in a component of the yellow rain in Vietnam, where the Chinese developed this toxic...
You know, yellow rain.
And it comes from type of a mold that produces a neurotoxin.
So most of the toxins that are produced in the ducting are not neurotoxins.
So that's good news.
They're irritants.
They're not going to stay with you forever.
But if you live in a house and you're getting exposed all the time, then, you know, it's...
Wears you down, and like I said, you could get anything from it, cancer or what have you, because if your immune system is suppressed, anything goes.
So, yeah, so the key is that once you refurbish the lining of the ducting, you coat the lining with a special type of encapsulant that has a mold inhibitor, and it's also, when it dries, it's smooth.
So, now...
Before you refurbish your ducting, you've got these nooks and crannies that the dust goes in, and it's not smooth.
It's the dumbest possible thing, but that's how the ducting works.
It's smooth on the outside and rough on the inside, so it captures all the particles.
When you're done cleaning and you seal it, you seal it with this...
It's a type of...
Specialized type of paint.
And once you seal it, it doesn't come back.
So our home, my wife got sick from mold about seven years ago.
We didn't know what it was.
She says, it's water seeping in, it's this, it's that.
So we checked everything out and it turned out to be, she would wake up with sinus headaches all the time.
And then it turned out to be mold in our ducting.
And we fixed that.
And maybe she has a sinus headache once a year now.
Once we did that, then she said, my gosh, we need to be in this business because it really, really works.
And it's fantastic in that If the person is not all messed up, they just are sick and irritated in their house, especially when they wake up.
And then you could tell them, within 24 hours, all your symptoms are going to go away.
It's great.
So then we have a lot of reviews.
But the real push was, my wife goes, man, this really works.
And so we...
Emphasize it more.
We've given presentations and promoting it.
So that's the second part of the story in that my daughter was sick from olden schools, but my wife was sick at home for years.
We moved into a brand new house, but there was construction defects and moist air from the attic was getting into the ducting.
The cold air from the ac makes the inside of the ducting cold you get some more you get some moist air from the outside leaking in and it condenses on the cool surface interior of the ducting and you get mold and you get dust mites so um so it was a like a one two uh learning curve and so it's it's probably like a third of our of our business and as long as people say hey
When I'm out of the house, I'm fine.
When I'm inside, I'm sick.
It's always the ducting.
And Linda's gotten pretty good at it.
Like I told you, somebody calls up.
Can you test the house?
What is it?
Well, you know, I went to Orlando.
You know, everybody was good.
They come back to the house and everybody wakes up or two out of three kids wake up.
Allergy-like symptoms.
So Linda goes, well, you just tested the house.
Okay, so they're thinking about coming out, somebody coming out and taking air samples.
Well, 80% of the time, the air samples don't find an elevated level of mold to the extent where you could say, you know, it's in the air and it's in the ducting because you're Differences in people's sensitivity are super high.
That's why there's no government guidelines or cut-offs on what is a problem level of mold.
It just depends.
People that have asthma, they're more sensitive.
That's basically it.
Do it to get better.
They're happy and that's pretty much it.
You've got some more specific questions about the Let me ask you, we're not going to go deep into all 50 states, but if we were to focus on,
let's just say, your area of expertise over the last 20 years here in Florida, what percentage of homes do you think have faulty duct systems, or what percentage of people do you think, if you could put a number on it, How many people or percentage of the population specifically in Florida do you think are exposed to mold on a daily basis?
So Unless the house is brand new, everybody has mold in their ducting.
So it's a matter of sensitivity.
About 10% of the people are sensitive to mold.
Women are more sensitive than men.
Nobody knows why.
It has nothing to do with spending time in the house or not.
But the women are more sensitive.
And so every house Some brand new ones have some kinds of issues and problems with mold and ducting.
It's never fixed because duct cleaners don't clean ducting.
And worse than that, they try to upsell you on, well, you know, we would like to fog some special type of chemicals in there.
And 100% of the time, those chemicals Are illegal to be applied inside the ducting.
The EPA has come up with, or CDC I guess, come up with warnings.
Don't let anybody spray something in your ducting because there's no EPA approved chemicals that are allowed to be fogged or sprayed into the ducting.
Some people get sick from that.
All ducting It's contaminated with mold and with dust mites, and the dust mite feces may be more of a problem than the mold.
It's just a matter of sensitivity.
And how hard your immune system is overworking.
Like you said, if the white blood cells are going in there to the lungs, trying to attack and remove these mold spores that have gotten in there, you know, it's weakening the immune system and at the very least, long-term exposure to mold.
If it won't kill you, it will shorten your life.
I agree with that.
Or if it won't shorten your life, it'll shorten your healthy life, which is what we all want.
Yep.
That's what's going on.
So we're real happy about that.
We're happy that we can guarantee within 24 hours, you're going to be better.
And, you know, they just, it's, what's a shame is that it's a minimum of like $3,000 or $3,500.
And most people can't really afford that.
They don't They're not going to go and try to research things.
And they suffer.
And there's no insurance for that.
It's not a sudden water event.
And so I would say the majority of the people in Florida, in Louisiana, Texas, and up north if you have a basement, So the basements are even worse because that's where the stachybotrys toxic mold is that's a neurotoxin.
And so, yeah, I mean, maybe sort of sounds alarmist, but really easy to determine if you're getting affected.
How do you, when you wake up in the morning, you have these allergy-like symptoms?
And if you're away from your home, are you better?
And if you ask somebody, you know, how are you feeling?
Are you sick or whatever it is?
They say no.
Okay.
Well, do you wake up with headaches, swollen sinuses, you know, irritated eyes?
Yeah, every day.
So it's so pervasive and that they don't consider that to be, you know, an illness.
They consider that normal and sort of bad.
But that's just the way it is.
And like I said, you're not going to get any doctors that, if you have those symptoms, are going to say, one, you have them when you're out of the house?
No.
Then get your ducting refurbished or replaced.
You can get it replaced, but the people that replace the ducting up in the attics, especially in the summers, They do a worse job replacing it than trying to clean it because they typically only do a good job near the attic hatch where somebody can go up and look and the rest of it they just leave or don't properly they don't remove they don't
do a good job because you can't get good people to work in attics in the summer and you can't get supervisors to go up there and supervise the work so it's It's the way it is.
Gotcha.
Now, real quick, for anybody that's here in Florida, I know for a fact that we've gotten quite a few dozens and dozens of testimonies after you've gone in and cleaned people's houses and then hit them with a one-two punch.
You know I'm a big proponent.
Of the air cleaners, the triad airs, we've got quite a few people that have gotten them from you.
Now, I know that a lot of the air purifiers that are on the market that are using big filters, if you don't change these filters often enough, I've heard from other websites that they've had their filters tested, and they say, oh, they're so great at removing the mold.
But when you get big HEPA filters, and if they're sucking in mold particles, and let's say there's two different strands of mold, have you heard of other air purifiers having issues with the filters turning into super molds?
Let me tell you about that.
Well, first of all, I first got turned on to those machines during COVID. Somebody was telling me about them, and to me, it sounded like a bunch of BS. So I built a little test room in my garage, and I couldn't test for COVID viruses, but I could test for mold spores, and mold spores are way harder to kill than a virus.
So I basically took an air sample before and after treatment, And I'm not talking about the ozone mode, just the regular mode.
And it basically killed all the mold spores.
So I was like, okay.
So I'm convinced.
And that's the way you test a lot of things.
You just find something that's That's more durable.
And if you get, if it could kill it, and then it can certainly kill viruses, which are infinitely more fragile.
So yeah, so at that point, I was convinced.
And then the, so we have two in our house.
And our house is really, really clean.
We use it anyway.
But we take it, take it when we go on a trip.
And we don't want to be in those stinky hotel rooms and what have you.
So we turn that on in ozo mode and then we go out to dinner and we come back and the room is clean and perfect like our house without any chemicals.
But the issue about the filter type of air cleaners, so our duct's really perfect and we want to keep that way so After we refurbish the lining, we are using MERV 13 rated air filters.
So if you don't change the air filters frequently, what happens is your spores are trapped in the fibers, but the airflow causes the breakdown of the spores into microparticles that are Too small to be stopped by the MERV-13 air filters.
So in my master bedroom, if Linda or myself get up, wake up, getting clogged or whatever, we know what the problem is.
We've got a dirty MERV-13 air filter that the spores don't go through.
But over time, the spores degrade and the airflow...
It breaks them apart, and then these submicron microparticles.
So whatever type of air filtration system you're talking about, it has that same limitation.
It's going to capture the spores, but the spores are going to, over time, break down into microparticles, which are more of Of a problem than the actual spores because the microparticles go into your alveoli and are very, very hard to be removed.
And we just found that out maybe a couple of years ago.
It's like, well, what's the problem?
Problem is, well, I didn't change the air filter and the air.
And the next day, all those little symptoms went away.
It's amazing.
So I... I completely agree with your point that there is a major limitation on air filters and then some of those machines have proprietary curved ones or whatever it is.
They basically rip you off.
We're real happy with the machine and I guess Once a year or so, you've got to do some service on it, but it works, and we know it works really well in the hotels, because you go in there, it's like disgusting, and you come back, and if it was really bad, we'd do the ozone mode, and then On a low level because it's a hotel room.
And then within about 15-20 minutes, we're good.
So that's before, after, you know, in a very short amount of time, you know, and gets rid of the odors.
And we know when it gets rid of the odors, it's also getting rid of any other stuff that's in the air.
That's right.
That's right.
I would love to get you and Alan Johnston, the chief technology officer.
He worked for Raytheon Missile Defense and ran a bunch of engineers on Hughes Aircraft.
And you too would be able to talk because he talks a lot about mold and he talks a lot about the poisoning of mold getting into people's lungs and how absolutely bad it is.
I can't thank you enough for bringing up the point about the hotel because so many people don't think about when they travel, you know, getting sick.
Those hotel rooms, you know, you and I both know that you've got 240 rooms and those maids, they've got five minutes to get in.
You're lucky if they even change the seat.
It's more than that.
The hotels, almost all of them have those PTAC units in the wall.
They don't have filters.
If you look at their filters, it's like a screen.
You can't put a good quality filter in there like you can in a central air conditioning that has the coils and the room for it.
And then the other thing that they're doing One, obviously, without having a good air filter, is they bring in the outside air at the same time, which is wet.
So in a really good office building, they bring in some outside air, but they treat the outside air and get rid of the humidity.
The moisture before mixing it in with the indoor air.
But in a hotel room, it's just sucking in a certain mix of wet outside air and greatly increasing the amount of mold, bacteria, and what have you.
And yeah, so we go up to Orlando It's more muggy than Fort Lauderdale where we live.
And so, you know, you can spend $250 a night and not get a really good clean room or it's completely disgusting because they put too much fragrance in there.
Chemical.
Chemical fragrances in there.
And so, yes.
So we really don't Like, have to go to, like, the most expensive places.
We just bring our little thing in there and turn it on for an hour, and all good.
We sleep fine.
And, yeah, that, for us, that's more important than in our house, because in our house, we've used MERV 13 air filters, we've refurbished all the ducting, and it's there, because my wife says it works.
But, It really, really works, you know, before and after in a hotel room in Orlando, the summertime.
So, yeah.
So, and it's easy.
You know, it's small.
Well, listen, we appreciate you endorsing the Triad Air products, and we want to endorse Mold Free Corp.
Can you give all of our listeners your website, especially anybody that's here in Florida that has issues with mold or has concerns of their ducts, can you give your website where anybody can reach out to you or Linda, who's lovely?
We love every time we talk with Linda.
What is the website where they can reach you, Dr.
Gary?
It's mold-free.org.
Okay, so mold-free.org.
And then you also offer training courses, correct?
Yeah, we're either the number one or the number two trainer in Florida for new mold assessors and mold remediators.
And we've been doing that for many years.
So if...
Somebody wants to know pretty much what we know about mold and mold remediation anywhere in the country or the world, they can download the 14-hour training material for free.
Awesome.
Our competitors, they don't tell you what it is and how you're going to go about doing it, so we're happy.
You want to go see what it is you're going to learn and Practical types of stuff.
We make that available free to anybody.
Well, guys, mold is a silent killer.
We know this.
We may not be able to tell you exactly how much it takes off your life or how much it cuts into your healthy life, but if you have mold, you have a problem, and now everybody knows you know who to call.
If you guys need to get a certified, licensed mold remediator, contractor, you guys can go to mold-free.org, and you guys can reach out to either Linda or Dr.
Gary, and they'll be more than happy to help change your lives.
You heard him.
He said within 24 hours, most people after coming out, you guys don't even need to test.
If you leave your home and you feel better and you come back home and you're sick again, chances are you've got some issues.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
Well, thank you so much.
That's the best test, the most reliable test for sure.
Gotcha.
Well, thank you so much for being on the podcast.
And we look forward to continuing to work with you.
And we love working with you, Dr.
Gary.
And you guys have a blessed day.
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