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July 19, 2023 - Stew Peters Show
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LIVE @9PM: CIA BRAINWASHING AMERICANS WITH JEFF DORNIK
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In the Trenches with Teddy Daniels *Music* Folks, welcome back to another episode of In the Trenches with Teddy Daniels You know, got another good one for you today, folks.
And there's a lot of crazy shit going on in the world.
And I got a special guest today who's actually writing a book, and you're going to love him.
His name is Jeff Dornick.
Jeff runs Freedom First TV. And Jeff is writing a book called Following the Leader.
It's how the CIA was involved in all these cults and studied these cults, and now how the CIA is involving themselves with mainstream media to also brainwash people.
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Folks, we're going to cut right to my buddy, Jeff Dornick, telling you, you guys are going to love this.
Joining me today is my good buddy Jeff Dornick.
It's great to have a conversation with him again.
Jeff, how are you doing today, my man?
I'm doing good, Teddy.
I've been looking forward to chatting with you.
I feel like our conversations, to me, are always fascinating because we go down different topics and ideas and discussions than I feel like I normally get to have with people, so I've been looking forward to this.
Well, brother, not too many people out there are Let's say in tune or tied in like you and I are so we can have these conversations and go down.
I don't want to say rabbit holes because we don't go down rabbit holes, but we can have the in-depth conversations kind of like where we peel back the layers of the onion and get to discuss the core root of the issue.
So Jeff, tell folks a little bit about yourself.
Yeah, for sure.
So I'm actually the co-founder and the CEO of Freedom First Network, which is a political podcast network that I've been running with J.D. Rucker since 2020, I think it was.
We started just after the lockdowns happened.
And that's been a blast.
I love hosting my show, The Jeff Dornick Show, pretty much every day at 10 a.m.
Pacific Time.
And then I host a weekly show with Karen Kingston, the Pfizer whistleblower, every Thursday called In the Foxhole, where we just dive into...
and patents and documentation and all that kind of stuff.
And then I've co-authored a couple of books.
I'm writing a book right now called Following the Leader.
And then the other new development as well is I'm actually building and launching a social media platform called Pickaxe.
They're going to be launching quarter one of 2024.
And it's going to be completely constitutionally protected free speech platform We're not beholden to big tech in any way.
Algorithms that amplify your voice and monetization opportunities for content creators.
So basically, I've got a lot of crap on my plate and I'm trying to juggle it all.
But for me, I just look at it like I'm trying to be somebody that's following up with action.
So if there's a solution I can come up with, I'm going to try to figure out how to make it happen and not just be one of those guys that sits back and talks about things.
Yeah.
Brother, I love it, and there's some folks that, you know, after we get off this, I want to put you in touch with, okay?
Okay, sounds good.
I absolutely love it.
Now, Jeff, it was maybe just under a year ago, you actually ended up sharing one of my posts on Facebook, and they kicked you off for, what, 30 days?
I mean, I've been kicked off of every which platform.
I don't even remember which ones were for which time.
I was kicked off of Twitter for interviewing.
So I got kicked off of Twitter for interviewing a black conservative who was running for Senate out of Illinois called Jimmy Lee Tillman.
We talked about why...
The black community was so hesitant to get vaccinated.
And he was sharing it's because of the Tuskegee experiments and how the CDC lied to all these black men about giving them syphilis and doing all these tests on them for 40 years.
And that's still in the back of everybody's mind.
And so they're like, I don't trust the CDC. I don't trust the government.
And so I got suspended off of Twitter for that one.
Then my good friend Matt Couch got kicked off of Twitter for a period of time as well for sharing my show where I interviewed Dr.
Zelenko when he was still alive and where we were talking about World War III and bioweapons and all that kind of stuff.
So he got kicked off of that one.
I'm like, dude, Matt, you do realize you shouldn't have run with that title on your Twitter post because, of course, they're going to ban you on that one.
And then, you know, Facebook, it's just like, it's crazy with Facebook, too, specifically, because with Freedom First Network, we were getting well over 100,000 views per episode on a lot of our shows.
And then literally, the 2020 election hit, and then we started talking election fraud.
And then we went from literally building that thing up to getting 100,000 views down to we're lucky if we get triple digits.
We do everything we can possibly do.
That's how it is on my page.
I've got well over 100,000 followers on my social media page on Facebook.
And I used to get 10, 15, 20, 30, 40,000 reactions to something that I would post.
Now I might get 10.
Maybe 15 to 20.
Occasionally, I'll hit something out of the park and get like 300, but nothing compared to what it used to be because of the censorship by big tech.
Yep.
Yeah.
It's a shame, brother.
It really is.
For sure.
Yeah.
That to me is the frustration with where we're at right now as a country, is that you have to tow whatever the mainstream talking point is.
And if you don't, they're going to do everything they can to shut you down.
Obviously, the easy thing for them to do is to suppress our voices, right?
So it kind of shadow ban us, push our voices down, things like that.
But if you can overcome that, then they're going to throw everything else at you.
Then they're going to shut down your bank accounts.
Then they're going to completely cancel you and kick you off the platform, not just suppress you.
They're going to go step by step.
Then you start talking January 6th stuff, and then you've got the FBI involved.
It's one of those things where it's never going to stop until they can fully just shut you down.
Otherwise, they're just going to keep ramping things up, and that's the danger we face today in this country.
Well, brother, I look at it this way.
We're supposed to think that we live in a free country.
We don't live in a free country, you know, especially right now with what's in the White House.
And, you know, we're just scraping the surface on the social media aspect of it with the censorship.
Like, this is what they do, state-run media in North Korea.
This is exactly what they do.
You're not allowed to have a thought if it's different than what the government thinks.
And that's where we are now as a country.
Oh yeah.
And it's wild how we're supposed to have these principles of free speech and free press.
And the interesting thing that I always specify with people, when you hear free press, we've been conditioned by the mainstream media to mean that ABC and CNN can say whatever they want and they have the freedom to do that.
But that's not what the founding fathers actually intended for us.
The freedom of the press was that you as an individual have the right to write out your grievances, go down to the printing press, print that up, and then distribute that to whoever you want without restriction from the government.
The modern-day version of that would be blogging, would be writing articles.
Like when you're talking about freedom of the press, that has absolutely nothing to do with a big major corporation and their freedom to claim whatever claim that they want.
It's that you as an individual have the right to write down your grievances and air them out for everybody to see.
Hence, an article, a blog, a substack, even microblogging with Twitter.
That is all considered freedom of the press, but we've been conditioned to forego that constitutional right and hand that over to these major globalist elites that are centralizing their power.
We've been conditioned to redefine what that terminology means, and now it means something completely different than what the Founding Fathers originally intended.
So, Jeff, you talk about reconditioning.
Now, I understand you're working on a book.
Let's tell the viewers about this book that you're doing.
We texted a little bit the other day, and I went to the link that you sent me.
Jeff, I need an autographed copy.
I can't wait to read this thing.
Tell us about this book.
Yeah, so it's a book called Following the Leader.
And, you know, really – so I have kind of two different motivations for this one.
It started off – and this is the one that always gets me in trouble.
But it started off – my original inspiration was to talk about the cult of personality because I was seeing this really negative trend within conservatives and the Republican Party of we're going to follow Donald Trump off the cliff no matter what he says, no matter what he does.
We're going to defend him.
And I feel like we need to kind of take a step back – And that doesn't mean that we stop supporting the guy, but it does mean we need to stop blindly following.
So we need to take a step back, figure out what's our worldview.
What do we believe in?
You know, what do we believe about the role of the government?
What do we believe about the COVID jabs?
What do we believe about all these things?
And then we call balls and strikes when it comes to President Trump, when it comes to anybody.
I feel like oftentimes we see people as all good or all bad.
And I think a lot of times there's more nuance when it comes to it.
We need to figure out what we agree with people on and what we disagree with people on.
And I think I saw this really bad trend within our movement of you're either 100% supporting Donald Trump or you're a deep state operative.
And I find that just completely dishonest and disingenuous.
But then as I'm doing this deep dive into, you know, this kind of cult of personality and all that, I'm doing all this research.
And I'm like, well, dude, these are totally, you know, deep state intelligence agency tactics.
You know, I mean, you look at the CIA.
Over the last 50 years, they've been involved with almost all of the major cults.
They've had direct ties with Jim Jones in Jonestown.
They had direct ties with Scientology, with L. Ron Hubbard and Miscavige.
They had direct ties with the Mormon church.
Even they have direct ties with Charles Manson.
Like the CIA was actually directly involved with Charles Manson because they were trying to set up race wars.
And again, what are they doing right now?
They're trying to pit different races against each other.
That's what they try to do with Helter Skelter with Charles Manson.
So you start seeing this and then you start seeing these trends.
They're all using the same tactics to brainwash their following.
You have to have this cult leader, the cult of personality that you're not allowed to question.
Think about COVID. Think about Anthony Fauci.
Anthony Fauci was that cult leader that you were not allowed to question.
They need that.
And so they prop this guy up as this person is, you know, in the cults, it's God.
And when it came to Fauci is this person is science and you cannot question science.
And if you question science, then you're a bad person, which then leads to the whole cancel culture aspect of things where they've been doing this within the cults for a long time.
If you look at Scientology, if you even question the leadership, they label you as a suppressive person.
What happens if you become a suppressive person?
They kick you out.
You're now disassociated from completely.
You lose your jobs if you were working for somebody within the Church of Scientology.
You lose your family.
Your family will no longer talk to you.
You lose your income.
You lose everything that you've built within the Church of Scientology, all your relationships, everything.
And then they will set out to destroy you.
They will set up fake websites that lie about you, slander about you, all the same tactics that the intelligence agencies are using to slander people like yourself and myself.
They've been doing within the cults for the last 50 years.
And so it's been mind-blowing to me doing all this research.
And we're seeing every single thing that they've been doing to us since 2019.
They've been testing out in the cults for the last 50 years.
And this is where when people are saying, why are my friends and family not understanding what's really going on when they see everything that you and I see?
They see people dying on the football field and passing out and collapsing.
They see the evidence for election fraud.
They see what's going on with Donald Trump and the targeting of him by the intelligence agencies and the DOJ and all that.
But why are they coming to a different conclusion?
It's because they've been brainwashed and they've been conditioned by the intelligence agencies.
And for you to be able to wake them up, you need to understand their tactics and their strategies.
And so that's really what I'm diving into in the book.
So this isn't just the cultism or the perceived cultism on the right.
It's also the cultism on the left.
Is that what you're saying?
It's the cultism everywhere.
It's inundated in our political and cultural entire country, really.
Let's back up.
What tactics is the CIA using that they learned from studying these cults to employ into 2023 politics?
In the current political landscape right now, it comes down to this groupthink mentality.
Mob mentality.
Mob mentality.
You're a part of the group.
You're not an individual.
You're a part of the group.
This has been something that they've been doing within Colts for, you know, 50 years since, you know, going back to Jonestown, going back to Charles Manson.
You're a part of this group.
That's where your identity is.
And that, you know, and I feel like going back even when I was a kid, I grew up and it's kind of funny.
I grew up where my mom used to listen to, used to listen to like Rush Limits.
Limbaugh and all the radio show hosts and Hannity when Hannity first started.
I remember being in the car going to basketball practice my mom would have Hannity on.
I remember as a 12-year-old kid listening to these guys.
But what's interesting to me is I feel like back then it was kind of, yes, you were Republican or you're Democrat, but there was a lot of crossover there.
There was a lot of debate and nuance.
And you could be friends with somebody on the other side and you discuss and debate issues.
Now it's all or nothing.
Back then, you didn't even know or care about somebody's political affiliation to where now today it's almost like that's the first thing that somebody cares about when you meet them or talk to them.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
And that's that progression that we've seen where they're beginning to adopt these tactics that they've been learning within the cults.
Because, I mean, you have to have that mob mentality.
That's where you find your identity is in that group.
You have to have that cult leader that they prop up that you are following.
And if you question that person, you are either kicked out, you're labeled as a suppressive person or in today's standards, a deep state operative or controlled opposition or whatever it is.
We see that with the whole Trump and DeSantis divide.
You're either Team Trump or you're Team DeSantis.
There's no nuance.
If you criticize one, you're clearly on the other guy's team.
And the same thing goes with the Democrats.
Think about what they've done on the Democrat side as well.
If you even say anything positive about RFK, you say anything positive about DeSantis or Donald Trump, you are not considered a good Democrat.
Right?
So they use these kinds of tactics in order to try to push you in a particular agenda, in a particular direction.
And if we can begin to get people to take a step back, I don't care which political party you're a part of, what your identity is, whatever it is.
If you just take a step back...
First, figure out what you believe.
That to me is the most important thing.
Figure out what you believe, not what they tell you to believe.
Figure out what you believe about the role of the government.
Figure out what you believe about Donald Trump, about the presidency, about your constitutional rights, what should be legal, what should not be legal.
Figure out what you believe first.
And then you can align yourself with people that are like-minded.
But if you figure out, I'm a part of this group first, you're going to get sucked into that cult of personality.
You're going to get sucked into that cult mindset into where now you're changing positions based upon what your leader says is the new way of the truth.
And the thing is that you do not want to be a sheeple.
You You do not want to be a follower.
You want to be your own individual person.
That's what our founding fathers wanted for us.
They did not want people to just follow along with what these elitist people tell us to do.
But that takes you taking responsibility for yourself, getting yourself out of this cult and beginning to think for yourself.
Well, and Jeff, I'll tell you this.
I've been critical of Donald Trump on this program.
He's my guy.
Like, he's the guy that I'm supporting.
But I've been critical.
And again, we have to call balls and strikes.
And, you know, I had people come at me, you know, how dare you say this?
And how dare you say that?
Hey, I'm just calling it the way I see it.
Um...
I've had several episodes, Jeff, where I've called out Marjorie Taylor Greene and her backing of Kevin McCarthy, her getting kicked out of the Freedom Caucus.
Brother, I know Marjorie.
I have Marjorie's phone number.
I've had breakfast with her.
But I got to put the fan stuff aside and call balls and strikes and report what is actually going on as much as it hurts.
And I think that's where a lot of journalism is dead, is people are afraid to go against what you call the groupthink or I call it the mob mentality because they're afraid of getting crucified by the masses.
What are your thoughts on that?
So, there's a couple different things.
I think you're spot on with a lot of people.
I think for some other people that are more political savvy and in this whole game that we're a part of.
And that's how I see it all.
It's all a game.
It's all a show.
It's ridiculous, right?
Jeff, let me interrupt you real quick.
Here's how I equate politics, okay?
You got Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage in the ring together, all right?
And then they're going at it, and you got the arena filled with their fans.
And after the match, their fans spill out in the parking lot, and the Hulk Hogan fans are fighting the Macho Man Randy Savage fans.
But yet, backstage, Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage are sitting in the dressing room having a beer together.
That is politics today.
It is all showmanship.
I've got a funny story about that.
Before I even had a show or anything like that, I was a political advisor for somebody, and they were going to be a panelist at Politicon, which is a big political event that the Young Turks put on.
It was out here in California, in Pasadena.
And we're backstage and I was coaching her on, okay, here's the strategy.
She was going to go on with, like, it was like Nancy Pelosi's, you know, daughter and all these leftists.
I'm like, okay, here's the talking points that they're going to bring out, you know, explaining all that.
So we're sitting backstage and it's the green room in between all the different, you know, panels.
And all of a sudden, Ann Coulter walks in with, and I forget who it was that she was debating, but it was her versus one of these main guys that's on CNN that's like a former Obama person and all that kind of stuff.
So they had just gotten off the stage where they both called each other racist.
They both insulted each other profusely on stage.
They come back into the green room and they give each other a hug and say, that was so much fun.
We should do this again sometime.
And that was that moment where I literally saw exactly what you described there.
I'm like, that is the epitome of what politics is.
It's all a facade.
They will insult each other in front of the cameras and in front of an audience.
But the second it's over, they just go back to, hey, we're pals, we're friends.
You want to come over for dinner sometime?
Let's meet up over the weekend, whatever it is.
And back in the day, that used to work because there was negotiations.
We had slightly different perspectives, but you would kind of give a little bit, take We're friends.
Right now, we have two completely different outlooks on life.
We have two completely different realities.
One believes that men can give birth to babies.
The other believes in biblical truth.
There is no crossover there.
There is no negotiating with people that literally believe that you can kill a baby, not only just up to birth, but after birth.
There's no negotiation with that.
There's only right and wrong.
And I feel like a lot of people today, in the political world specifically, they're trying to apply the political rules of 20 years ago when you could be friends with people on the other side.
But I don't believe that you really can anymore because we have two completely different realities on what life even is.
I agree.
I agree, brother.
And that's why I can't stand politics.
We're politicians 90% of the time.
I can't stand them.
Brother, I ran for office.
You know, and if you came at me, like, I am now your enemy for life.
Okay?
No, we're not going to go have a beer.
No, I'm not going to shake your hand.
You ran your mouth.
When the time is right, may not be today, may not be next week, may not be next year.
I'm going to get your ass back.
Okay?
There is no friends with the other side sitting behind this desk.
And...
That's what really upsets me about the political spectrum in general is, like you said, it's a facade.
It's all showmanship, okay?
Like, I just don't get it.
You're either fighting for your beliefs and you're willing to die for what you believe in, or you're not.
Or you're just there to put a show on.
Now, Jeff, I got to ask you this.
One of the big things in society right now is the whole LGBTQ, ZW, X, YZ, ABC, DEA, ATF community.
The alphabet soup.
What type of...
Mind control or cultist study is helping the rapid rise of that portion of the population.
And I'll tell you this.
I recently saw a study, Jeff.
I'm a Gen Z-er.
Only 3%.
I'm sorry, not Gen Z. Gen X. Geez.
Guys, no, that was a mistake.
I'm Gen X. I was like, wow, you're younger than you look.
No.
Yeah.
No, I'm a Gen Xer.
I get into the Gen Z. Gen X, only 3% of Gen X identifies with the LGBTQ ABC plus movement.
Yeah.
19.7% of Gen Z Nearly 1 in 5 identifies with that movement.
Why is that, Jeff?
Is it because it's been pumped down our throats for so long, no pun intended, for so many years?
Why is it the 3% of Gen X identifies and 19.7, nearly 1 in 5 of Gen Z identify with that?
So I think there's a couple different contributing factors.
And I think that realistically, there's also a theological aspect of this as well that I'll kind of dive into as well, because I think that that's important to understand the mindset.
But one is just a very pragmatic, practical thing of in your generation, and even in my generation, you know, I'm 36.
You know, for me, looking at it, I feel like today our society has propped up teachers way higher than what they did in the past.
In the past, it was the teachers are there to educate you and teach you how to read and write and understand history and science and things along those lines.
And then all the moral things that's going to be taught by your parents.
Like when you go home after school, you're going to go sit down with your parents and your parents are going to teach you their morals, whether, you know, if you're Christian, if you're Mormon, if you're atheist, whatever it is, they're going to teach you what they believe.
But the schools were typically reserved for teaching you actual education.
Now, what they've done is they and they try to justify this by saying that, well, you know, there's a lot of bad parents out there.
So the teachers are now taking the role of parents and they're actually saying that parents don't have the right to decide what is taught in schools.
And the schools are now teaching morality because they because they believe that parents.
Parents, especially Christian parents, don't do a good job of teaching sex education, of teaching about homosexuality, about teaching about critical race theory, all this kind of stuff.
The teacher has now replaced the role of the parent.
And the parents are now being conditioned.
Just sit back.
This is not your place anymore.
These people are educated.
These people went to school.
Did you go to school to learn about how to raise kids?
These teachers did.
You have to trust these teachers.
So I think to a certain degree, that's the more practical way that they've been able to manipulate people is that they all go to these leftist schools.
They get inundated with this leftist worldview.
And now they're pumping that into our kids from a very young age.
And the teachers are propped up as higher on the totem pole than parents.
So I think that that's one contributing factor.
The other side of it.
It's the theological motivation behind it.
As we've seen over the last 20 years, our country has become progressively more atheist and more anti-God as time goes on.
And what ends up happening with that, I think, number one, that's a direct attack on our constitutional rights.
Because if they can eliminate God, if they can convince you that God does not exist, then guess what?
We don't have constitutional rights because when you think about it, our founding fathers wrote into the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution that we have inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government because they were given to us by God himself because we're created in the image of God.
So when we look at that, if they can eliminate God from the mix, all of a sudden we have no more rights because we have no more rights giver.
So that's an important distinction.
But specifically when it comes to transgenderism, what they're doing is they're telling these kids, look, God does not exist.
You're this mix-up of genetic soup, right?
And so, of course, you're going to feel like you're trapped in the wrong body because it was just this random chemical reaction.
or even worse, let's say that God does exist.
Let's just say God does exist.
Guess what?
God made a mistake with you.
God made a mistake.
Guess who can fix it?
We can fix that.
The medical community can fix that.
Us atheists, us anti-God people, we can fix that.
We can do a better job of being God than God himself.
That's what they're telling these kids on a daily basis.
If God exists, he made a mistake with you, and now you are not going to be the way that You're going to be something completely different because God made a mistake.
Think about how psychologically traumatic that kind of mindset is.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And I think a lot of the, and I hate, oh, Jeff just burns me up, a lot of the churches have bought into this whole movement where I moved from.
There was an Episcopal church with the trans LGBTQ flag hanging underneath their banner saying, all are accepted here.
Okay?
Well, is the church going to teach the Bible?
No.
Or does it want to be socially acceptable?
That's the issue.
And Jeff, you know, I was a kid in the 80s, and I remember growing up in the 80s, and everything you didn't like, you wanted to insult something or somebody, it's, man, that's gay.
You're gay.
That's gay.
I'm not doing that.
Now, here we are in 2023, where everything is gay, and you can't even say it's gay.
Back then you said everything was gay, nothing was gay.
And it's just completely reversed in about 40 years, you know?
But what do the churches have to do to get back on track?
Now, you're doing this book on cultism.
People say religion could be construed as a cult as well.
Why have the churches fallen by the wayside to go and want to get in line with now societal norms instead of staying true to the foundation of their religion?
A lot of evangelical churches that are that are cults in and of themselves.
And also, we cannot forget that that the that the the deep state has infiltrated into the evangelical church specifically as well.
They've gotten into our seminars.
Actually, the first two books that I put out were group book projects that I put together.
First one was called Social Injustice Exposing the False Gospel of the Social Justice Movement.
The second one was called Church and State, How the Left Used the Church to Conquer America.
There's kind of like a one-two punch exposing.
We had phenomenal contributing authors.
We had Pastor Greg Locke.
We had Denise McAllister, Brandon Howes, everybody on there, right?
And the interesting thing about that is, especially in the second book, Church and State – We really documented the strategy on how the left infiltrated into the church and hijacked it.
And there's one chapter specifically that is phenomenal by Bobby Lopez.
He's a former professor at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.
He talked about how the left has been able to take over and hijack our seminaries.
And so basically, he makes the case there are no good seminaries anymore.
If there are, they're little tiny seminaries that you've never heard of.
And so what ends up happening is these leftist professors are infiltrating into the seminaries, and the seminaries are where we're training our pastors.
The pastors are going there, getting this faulty theological training, and then they're going and starting these churches and becoming pastors, repeating everything that they learned in seminary.
And that includes all of these ridiculous ideas about LGBTQ, about transgenderism, and the whole deal.
And so what ends up happening now is Some of these guys, you know, there's a group called the Gospel Coalition, completely leftist outlook on life.
They claim to be conservatives, but if you follow the money, guess who's supporting them?
George Soros.
If you look at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary within the Southern Baptist Convention, guess where money's coming from?
George Soros.
You can follow Soros' money into all of these evangelical churches and evangelical movements, and all of a sudden now, you go to one of these churches, it sounds like they just came out of an AOC rally.
They literally sound like an AOC sycophant.
It's wild.
It's crazy.
It should never be that way because it's completely antithetical to everything that the Bible teaches.
But if you follow the money, you see these globalist elites are funding all of these really big evangelical organizations, and then you wonder why, oh, why are they all of a sudden sounding like they're a Bernie Sanders fan?
Exactly.
And brother, the one thing I never understood, I was raised Polish Catholic, went to several Catholic schools, mostly because I got kicked out of a few growing up.
And I don't understand how people can call themselves a Christian and then be a liberal at the same time.
That always baffled me.
Like, Nancy Pelosi all the time would get up and say, as a Catholic, I don't agree with that.
As a Catholic, I don't agree with this.
Well, as a Catholic, you don't have a problem supporting abortions, so you're a hypocrite.
So, what's going on there?
How has religion overflowed into the political scene, Jeff?
A lot of it is that they're liars, and they will literally say anything that they have to do in order to push an agenda, especially these older people, whether it's Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, the whole deal.
They grew up in an era where you had to be religious to even be considered for elected office, which is wild to think about.
Like Nancy Pelosi in San Francisco, she still has to be, quote-unquote, Catholic, I think, in her mind in order to be legitimate.
But the reality of it is that what they've done is they put their politics first and then they fit their theology in with their political ideology.
What you're supposed to do is you're supposed to put your theology first and then your political ideology will then follow that.
And for me as a Christian, what I look at is I see, look, God created us in His own image.
That means that I as an individual and you as an individual have value and worth simply by existing because we were created in God's image.
The left does not acknowledge that.
They do not believe that.
They believe that you have value because of the group that you're a part of, which again goes back to this cult mentality that I was talking about earlier.
But you don't have individual value and the proof of that is Is their belief in abortion.
The fact that they believe that that baby that's growing inside that mother or even that baby that is recently born does not have individual value just for being alive.
If you listen to a lot of leftists talk about their pro-abortion stance, they'll say, well, that baby, it can't survive on its own.
It has to be supported by the mother.
It doesn't have mental capacity.
Okay, so you're saying that an old person who's been alive for, you know, 80 years that's sitting in a nursing home that doesn't have mental capacity, that they deserve to die?
And oftentimes, they will say yes if they don't have mental capacity.
Well, so are you saying that person no longer has value as a human being?
Like, when you actually get down into the nuts and bolts of this, the reality of it is that they don't believe that you as an individual are created in the image of God, thus you don't have any value just by existing.
Well, Jeff, you know what?
And my retort to that would be anybody who walks into a voting booth and votes Democrat has no mental capacity.
And maybe they should also, you know, meet the same fate.
People can argue just about anything.
So, how long have you been working on this book, Jeff?
And when can we expect this to come out?
How can people get a copy?
And I want to reiterate again, this is about the CIA studying cults And the attempt, correct me if I'm wrong, to inadvertently brainwash society.
Am I right or wrong on that?
Well, yeah.
So basically, it's not even just like observing cults.
It's that they were using cults to test out their theories.
Hmm.
Trial and error, right?
And so you look at, you know, they were using very similar tactics with Jim Jones and Charles Manson.
You look at Hugh Hefner and Playboy.
There's a great documentary series about this, and I forget which channel it was on, but they did a documentary series about Hugh Hefner, who was actually using a lot of the same tactics that Jeffrey Epstein was using.
We know that Epstein was tied with the intelligence agencies to co-opt world leaders and blackmail them through all very similar things that Hugh Hefner has been doing with Playboy since the very beginning.
So you start diving into all of this kind of stuff.
You see they were testing this out.
And now all of a sudden, then 2020 hits, then COVID hits, then BLM hits, then election fraud hits.
And we see all of these tactics playing out and spilling over into the mainstream to where I believe after looking at this, that the intelligence agencies were intentionally using all that they've learned over the last 50 years in this trial and error that they've been using within the cults.
They've been using on the masses in order to manipulate and brainwash people into buying into their globalist agenda.
Trying to get every man, woman, and child injected with these bioweapon injections that are full of artificial intelligence and quantum computing and mind control and the whole deal.
They're trying to do everything that they can that they've learned from the cults that they're now applying directly to you and I. And the only way to counter that is for you to take a step back and intentionally get out of this mob mentality, get out of this group thing, get out of this cultist mentality, and begin to think for yourselves and stop trusting these elites and stop trusting these government leaders.
Jeff, how do we wake people up?
How do we do it?
I've been trying on here, brother.
You know, maybe we've converted a few, but how do we wake up the masses?
The only way, in my opinion, the only way to wake up the masses is not going to be through mass media.
It's not even going to be through this show.
And that's the crazy thing about this.
Everybody's like, so why do you do your show, Jeff?
Like, you do show every day, multiple times a day, all that kind of stuff.
Why do you do it?
Because what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to educate the people that already agree with me, right?
I'm educating them on why do we believe what we believe?
Then you can now take that information because now you're armed with the truth and And now you go talk to your friends and family.
Now you go talk to anybody and everybody.
But you don't just shout at them.
You don't just come at them with information and drop knowledge bombs everywhere.
You ask pointed questions.
I've realized that since I changed this tactic, I've changed more minds by forcing people to rationalize for themselves than Than I ever have trying to convince somebody to come over to my side.
And so for me, I know the truth.
I know that I need to get them from point A to point B. And so then I ask them questions that brings them along this journey until they get to point B. So for example, when I talk about COVID, right?
Out here in California, everybody's vaxxed.
Everybody got jabbed.
Everybody thinks that Anthony Fauci saved the entire world.
And so I'll ask them pointed questions like, well, you claim that it's 95% effective.
How do you know that?
Oh, well, the FDA said so.
Well, here's this letter from the FDA about the Comirnaty vaccine that actually shows when you actually do the mathematical equations that you only have a 0.7 protection from COVID, from contracting COVID for an entire seven days after getting vaccinated.
That's all of your protection that they cited.
And they're like, oh.
Crap.
You know, you take them through this, but you force them to rationalize their position.
I think that you can do that, but we need a lot of people doing that.
But because of the censorship and because of the way the mainstream media is, because of the way that social media is, we can't get out in mass like we used to be able to and get past those algorithmic walls through social media and through shows like this.
So now, the only way, in my opinion, to do this is one-on-one conversations with people, but we need a lot of people having those one-on-one conversations.
You're absolutely right.
And, Jeff, I read a book years ago, and I even went through the course when I was a young police officer.
It was called Verbal Judo.
And instead of ordering somebody to do something or commanding somebody to do something with authority, you give them two options.
And you let them make the choice for themselves.
You know, I had used it in a situation to where a guy...
This is how long ago I was a cop, Jeff.
A guy had just robbed a blockbuster, okay?
And was in the alley behind it.
Had a gun in his hand.
I had him trapped at the end of the alley.
I pulled out my gun and I said, brother, listen.
Put the gun down, okay?
This is your choice.
You can either put that gun down, come with me, do some paperwork, I'll take you, okay?
I'll treat you good, everything else.
You don't put the gun down, I'm going to shoot your ass dead, and then I'm stuck with a shit ton of paperwork.
Your choice, make the right one.
You know?
You let them feel like they are in charge of their own decision.
You let them feel like they have some sort of say in the outcome.
So, I like what you said about asking them pointed questions.
And I even want to add in there, you know?
So...
I'm trying to think of a scenario.
So you mean to tell me that if you believe this is true, then this must be true also.
So if you don't believe in this, why do you believe in that?
And let them rationalize for themselves.
If, Jeff, if they have the mental capacity to do that, because many people, they're afraid of the truth.
They're afraid of learning the truth because the truth Boy, it doesn't go down smooth sometimes, okay?
The truth is a very bitter pill that a lot of people don't want to swallow.
They'd rather be constantly reaffirmed of the falsities that they are seeing or experiencing rather than learn the truth.
What are your thoughts on that, brother?
I think, you know, to piggyback off of that as well, when you think about it, you know, especially when it comes to COVID and the COVID jabs and the lockdowns and everything that happened with the fake pandemic and, you know, their goal to get everybody injected with this bioweapon and, you know, all that kind of stuff.
There's a lot of people that will stick their head in the sand.
No matter what you say, you can have all the evidence of the world.
You can literally walk through the entire thing.
I've got patents.
I've got printouts of the patents and the studies and the data and all that kind of stuff.
I can present that to everybody.
And there's going to be a good, significant portion of the population that will not buy it.
And here's why.
They have a psychological wall up.
Because in their mind, they sacrificed so much to get through that quote-unquote pandemic.
A lot of people, they lost their jobs.
A lot of people lost their businesses.
A lot of people lost family members and friends because they cut them off because they disagreed with their position on the vaccines.
I personally lost a lot of friends because...
And people during COVID because they're like, Jeff, you're too extreme and you're not getting vaccinated.
We can't be around you because you're not safe to be around, right?
And so what ends up happening is now we're here.
Now we've got even more documentation and proof that is irrefutable that we've been right about this the whole time.
But they can't admit it because now they're saying that their entire reality for the last three or four years was a facade.
Their entire reality was fake.
They sacrificed in their mind everything.
They didn't go see their dying grandma when she was in the hospital dying because they were so terrified of this COVID-19.
And they completely lost friends and family members because of differences over the vaccine.
That would mean that they're eating crow for some of the most serious things that they've done in their entire lives that they have to admit that they were wrong.
There's this psychological wallet that's keeping them from doing that.
So instead of admitting that they were wrong and that their entire reality for the last three or four years was wrong, they're going to dig their heels in and just refuse and stick their fingers in the ears and go, la, la, la, la, la.
I'm not listening to what you're saying because they cannot admit that the last four years was for nothing.
So I think that there's a huge problem with that as well.
Jeff, I can't wait to read this book, brother.
What is the title of the book?
Is it Follow the Leader?
It's called Following the Leader.
And right now people can pre-order it.
I'm expecting it to be out this fall.
So if you guys go to jeffdornick.com slash FTL for Following the Leader or just jeffdornick.com, you'll see the link there.
And you guys can pre-order it.
And I'll make sure that anybody who pre-orders gets a signed copy as well.
And Jeff, I'm going to put the link in the description of this episode too.
I think this is going to be, this has to be a must read for anybody out there who kind of wants a sensible explanation to the craziness that's surrounding us in the world right now.
And I think that your book and the way you lay it out, once people read it, they're going to look at things and they'll be like, Yep, makes sense now.
Yep, completely makes sense.
So I got to get Jeff's book for everybody for Christmas, Easter, hell, Halloween, brother, if it comes out before then.
So, Jeff, I can't thank you enough for coming on.
It's always a pleasure.
And we got to catch up again offline real, real soon, brother.
Let's make it happen.
And again, I always love our conversations.
We get into some fun topics, so I appreciate you.
We do, brother, and I've toned it down a little bit in case you haven't noticed.
So I love you, brother.
Thanks for joining us today.
Thank you.
Folks, I told you Jeff was a good guy.
That was an incredible interview, and I can't wait till this book comes out.
It's going to be absolutely incredible.
I've known Jeff for some time.
Jeff used to share a lot of my stuff on Facebook, and then he'd text me.
He goes, bro, I shared that, and I got a 30-day ban.
I'm like, welcome to the club, brother.
So if you have not been censored on social media, any platform now by this point, you ain't doing it right, okay?
It's a badge of honor now.
And I look at all these ass clowns that still run their shows on YouTube and everything else.
Folks, they're part of the machine, okay?
They're not going hard.
They're not rocking the boat.
They're not telling you the truth.
Folks, yeah, I got a YouTube channel.
The first week I had it up, I caught two strikes.
So it's very rare that I throw something up on YouTube, especially the truth that I tell you guys.
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