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July 2, 2023 - Stew Peters Show
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JESUS. GUNS. AND BABIES. w/ Dr. Kandiss Taylor ft. Sara Higdon
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Hey everybody, welcome to Jesus, Guns, and Babies.
I'm your host, Dr.
Candice Taylor, and I'm in a new place tonight because I'm actually at my beach house.
I'm not at home, so we're going to have a really fun show, and I hope you're as excited as I am.
I have a really special guest, different than what I normally have, and so you're going to learn a lot, and so am I, and it's going to be a great show, so you don't want to leave.
We're going to start with Hebrews 12, 14.
And it says, And my special guest is Sarah Higdon.
So Sarah, welcome to Jesus Guns and Babies.
Thank you for having me.
I'm super excited to be here.
So yeah, thanks.
Well, let's start out with talking about your platform and why you would even be willing to come on my show and how you want to tell the people who you are.
Yeah, so I mean, I'm willing to go and talk to anybody about this type of stuff.
So I am a content creator.
I do YouTube videos.
I also write.
So I'm a writer at the Postmillennial and Human Events.
And so I started doing YouTube back in 2020 when I had started transitioning about a year before that.
And I started seeing already as I was going through that process, the crazy people that were taking over this space, like what was happening.
And so I said, if nobody, you know, If I don't speak out, who will?
So I started speaking out on the issues and really started to come to a head where this year I was down at the Capitol lobbying for SB 140 and trying to, you know, protect children from a lot of the harmful ideology that are happening in my community.
People that, you know, supposedly speak for me are trying to, you know, push these harmful ideologies and so I'm out here to fight against that.
Sarah, let's let everybody know who you are, because they were like, what?
What are they talking about?
So you are a biological...
Yeah, so I'm a biological male.
I've started taking hormones in March of 2019 to transition to live my life like a female.
I'm not a female, I'm a male.
How old were you then when you started taking hormones?
I was 31 when I started taking hormones.
Okay.
And so my life previous...
No, no, no.
That's good.
I wanted to make sure everybody knew that you were 31 because you look really young.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah, so I mean, my life before that, I lived a whole life before that.
I graduated college in 2009.
And then after I graduated college, I joined the military and I was a logistics officer in the army for seven and a half years before I got out and, you know, was able to start exploring the side of myself that I had basically felt my whole life.
So I knew that there was something different about me around the age of four years old.
But it's gone through puberty, college, into the military, and I couldn't suppress it any longer.
So I figured I got out and started to figure out to see what this was, work on myself.
And about three years after that, I decided, yeah, it was time for me to make that this was going to be the right step for me to transition.
So I'm going to, because I'm a counselor, you know, and I'm like curious and want to kind of know like what happened, but I don't want to even go back to four right now.
I want to go back to the Army because I had several men that helped me with security when I ran for governor.
And I've gotten to know a lot about the military and I have a huge respect.
So thank you for your service, first of all.
Thank you.
And I... But I also know that there's a whole sexual side of, you know, all these guys together, and then the few women that are there, and almost, it's really sad, the perspective I have now, and I'll probably have a lot of hate for this, and they'll say, that's not true.
I'm a female officer, and I'm not a, you know, I'm not promiscuous, but I heard all these things that were happening with, you know, you'd have one girl, and she would be with, like, multiple guys, like, from guy to guy, Just a lot of things, and then some guys that were trying to do the right thing, and they were Christians, or they tried to be respectful of the females, they wouldn't engage in that, and they were very concerned.
So I just had a lot of conversations.
I was endorsed by the Proud Boys, and so I have a lot of those guys who I love so much, and some of them have told me some things.
Anyway, did your experience in the Army and the military, did it affect this at all?
Not really, no.
Because what you were talking about, I guess I didn't see it.
I saw a very different side because I was on the officer side.
And actually, the officer side is more of a traditional life, I would say.
Because you have a close-knit community of mostly people who are married.
Most officers in the Army get married young.
And because of the family readiness groups and everything like that, it becomes your family and your family away from home.
So I've heard the same stories from a lot of the enlisted soldiers because in the barracks with young females, it's more like a college-like atmosphere where you've got females in the barracks and you have everybody there single and it's not the same type of life.
So it is very separate when you look at officers versus enlisted in that regard.
Okay, good.
Because my first response was like, was somebody being awful to you?
So good.
I'm glad to hear that.
But you were not married then at that point.
You were like a single guy.
No.
So this is where my story is a little bit interesting.
I did get married when I was in the Army.
I did get married to a woman in the Army.
I'm bisexual as well.
So I got married to a woman.
She's the first person I ever came out to.
I came out to her in 2014.
But we...
We had every intention to stay together and everything like that and move through this because I didn't know what it was.
I hadn't had that time to explore.
I wasn't forcing transition or anything.
I wasn't saying I'm going to transition.
Either you follow me or you don't.
I think that's one thing that happens too often that it has to be something that you go through with your spouse and you figure it out together.
Unfortunately, we did separate in 2015.
And that was kind of what I always like to say that my ex, who I'm still friends with, kind of set me free to be able to explore this side.
Because I was not going to, you know, move on and do this without, I guess, her permission.
Yeah, that makes sense.
And I hate that.
I hate divorce.
I've been divorced.
It's horrible.
It was like the worst thing in my life.
It was terrible.
So I hate that y'all divorced.
But I totally understand and don't judge you because I divorce too, financial reasons.
But, you know, divorce is horrible.
I had a pastor tell me this and I don't know if this felt like this to you, Sarah, but for me...
got divorced he said you know people say that you know divorce is painful and it's like a death and he said but it's not like a death it's like an amputation he said it's like cutting off part of your body because when you come together as one flesh and the bible defines marriage between man and And you're one.
And when you separate it, you can't separate bone from bone and marrow from marrow without cutting it off.
It's an amputation.
And it hit me so hard in my spirit when he told me that.
And after the months after the divorce, I did.
I felt like it felt weird, like an amputation would feel just like, you know.
So anyway, I don't know if you experienced that too, but it does.
It's crazy how that works.
It is.
It is because, yeah, it was not an easy experience to go through.
I mean, this was the time I moved to Fort Bragg after school and I was kind of in a new place by myself.
When I hadn't been by myself, you know, at all this whole time in the Army.
So it was very much like that.
I think that what really kind of helps a lot, like I said, is me and my ex-wife are still close friends.
Like we still talk.
So we still have some relationship and we still support each other, you know, fully.
That's wonderful.
So what, okay, so let's do go back to your childhood.
Like, talk to me about your parents and like siblings or, you know, how, and, and, you know, at four years old, like you felt different.
What did that feel like?
And there'll be people watching this that have gone through similar experiences or their kids are, and they're going to, they're going to see this and they're going to think, Candace Taylor did interview to trans.
What in the world?
Let me see that so I can make fun of her.
But I want them to see this as I love you, already love you.
Yeah.
So, and the Lord's actually, Not touching my heart right now.
So anyway, talk to me about being four years old and you as a four-year-old little boy and what happened.
Yeah, I mean, well, I think it was just something that's the first moment that you become self-aware.
It wasn't like anything that just happened.
I just knew that there was some attraction to me that I wanted to feel.
I just wanted to know what it was like to be a little girl.
I don't know what it was that I saw in little girls that were so different in little boys, but...
It was just, I was drawn to it.
And I knew that, and at the time, I knew that that wasn't normal.
You know, even at the time, I remember knowing that that wasn't normal, but there was something about me that that's who I was.
And I kind of developed and grew through that.
And I learned to almost hide that part of me, though.
You know, I learned to push those feelings deep down inside of me and not let those up to let anybody else know those feelings.
Because again, you kind of know that it's not normal.
But when you talk about the trans issues and stuff, that's what kind of Irks me a little bit about this, you know, boy trapped in a girl's body or girl trapped in a boy's body.
It's like I knew I was a boy.
I knew I was in a boy's body.
I didn't feel like I was trapped.
It's not like an out-of-body experience where I felt like I was trapped.
I just knew that there was an attraction that I wish I knew what it was like to be, you know, a little girl.
And so, and as well, because you'll probably have people that may see this and say, well, don't you think that kids should be able to, you know, you knew at four years old, what about other children?
And I always like to say that it's kind of like a...
You know, a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square.
It's like almost everybody that I know that transition was right for them as an adult knew very young.
But there's a high proportion of children who know very young or think very young.
You know, they might want to be the opposite sex or they think that they're attracted to stuff of the opposite sex.
And it's about 88% that's not true for.
So it's a very small portion of the population.
So that's why it's like, no, it needs to persist into adulthood before you can really make those decisions for yourself.
Yeah, well, because hindsight's 20-20.
So, you know, you, as someone that's transitioned, you can look back and obviously say, I felt this way at four years old, that I was curious and I was, you know, you know, I want to play with those toys or whatever, however it was for you.
That's normal, I think, for some kids to feel that way, obviously, because most children do have questions about boys and girls and they're not attracted sexually at all.
That's the part that gets me is people trying to push the sexualization so young because it's normal for kids that, you know, boys have cooties or girls have cooties and they run from each other and all that's normal development.
But then, you know, they grow out of it.
They go through puberty and they're like, oh, I'm a guy and I'm athletic and I want to do this and I'm a girl and I'm Chrissy and I want to do this.
And it becomes like who they were created to be by their biological sex.
And it's not an issue.
Yeah.
And so you're right.
And the frontal lobe of your brain doesn't fully develop until you're 25.
And that's where you make major life decisions.
And I'm so thankful for people like you who will give voice to protect children.
Because even though you can look back and you can say, okay, well, at four years old, I remember having this initial feeling of curiosity.
Of not sexual, of just gender curiosity.
And you can give voice to that without saying, hey, you should just go put children on hormones because they're being normal kids.
Because that's what society is perpetuating right now.
And to me, it's honestly, Sarah, I want to see these doctors held accountable to their Hippocratic oaths.
Like, I want them to lose their license because they're mutilating children.
Yeah, I fully agree.
I mean, that's when, you know, I had mentioned SB 140, which passed this year here in Georgia, which was the bill that banned cross-sex hormones and surgeries for minors.
And so it was a big win for our state because we were able to protect children because the doctors aren't doing it.
The doctors are looking at dollar signs and they're looking at, you know, What they can do...
I think there's a high propensity of people that think that they're doing the right thing, but they're not.
They're not actually taking a rational approach to this.
When you see all the other major medical organizations around the world, outside of the US, changing course on this, you know that we're not on the right course.
Right.
And there's so many kids that are now young in their 20s and they regret it.
And they, whenever they've had a full sex change and they're never going to enjoy sex again and they're sick and they're, some of them are dying because they had bad botched surgeries and it's, It's inhumane to me.
It's terrible.
And I just want people, you know, if you're 30 years old and that's what you want to do and you feel like that's going to make you healthy mentally and that's what you need to do, then you're grown and you can make those decisions.
But a child cannot make those decisions.
No, you're absolutely right.
And it was really unfortunate to me that we were not able to get puberty blockers in that bill because, and I've argued with people on Capitol Hill, not going to name names here.
She could.
We won't name your names because you're probably watching.
But we could name your names.
And we will if we need to.
They know who it is.
They know who they are.
They argued that puberty blockers were fully reversible.
And that was very concerning to me that people were saying that in private meetings.
As well, you know, the bill almost...
I was getting rumors that the bill might get killed because the House had added that you could criminally charge doctors for this stuff.
The original bill did not have that.
The House had to add that and send it to the Senate.
And then there was rumors that the Senate might kill the bill.
And so it's really disconcerting.
It's really concerning when you have, even in a red state like Georgia, that this is what we're fighting for.
Right.
Well, and I think that, you know, people are so scared of this.
It's like a taboo topic, but it's the hot topic.
And I mean, I had people literally tell me today, they know I was doing this interview, and I did an interview on Flat Earth like a month ago, and it went viral, and they're saying that I'm a Flat Earther, which I'm not a Flat Earther.
I believe in creation, and I believe the earth is round.
Right.
But I do believe we have a firmament.
I believe exactly what the Lord says in His Word.
But they twist and pervert because I was talking about NASA. I don't know if you watched that interview, but I was talking about the globe propaganda everywhere.
Start paying attention, Sarah.
So all the globes in TV shows and movies and in home goods stores.
I mean, it's crazy because they want to fund NASA with billions of dollars.
And I hit a hot button.
And so they've blown it up in the news.
And so I said, now I'm interviewing a transgender.
I'll be trans next week.
And they were like, don't give air to transgender people.
They're too much on TV. Don't do that.
And I'm like, no, I love everybody.
I don't care if you're gay, if you're trans.
I love you.
That's between you and the Lord and your walk with Jesus.
And he will help you walk that out.
That's between you and him.
It's not about giving voice to somebody.
It's about advocating for our children and these children being sexualized with books of erotica that I blush if I would read today at 42.
And you're pushing this in public libraries and school systems, not where I live in my school systems, but these public libraries and school systems, they have found them out.
I know Cherokee County, they found a ton up there, but you're finding these and they're graphic novels and they're No, it's not okay.
It's just not okay.
They're not ready for it.
I'm not ready for it.
They're not ready for it.
Yeah, you don't...
This is the thing that's been happening.
And obviously you see it happening across the country is they're trying to say this is a book ban.
It's like, no, you can still go buy those books for your kids if you want.
But I think you should read these books.
It's really telling when you watch some of these school board meetings and one of the parents starts reading one of these books and they're like, you can't read that.
There's kids here.
Well, or they're like, the people on the board are like, you can't read that.
The kids are here.
It's like, why is this in their library?
And it's...
Ostriches.
They put their hands in sand.
They're ostriches there, and that's what they do.
Well, and that's what's interesting is because then even the other books, the books that aren't necessarily sexual in nature, I haven't finished the book, but there's a book, it's called Queer.
And it's basically the, it's describing all of queer theory and what it is.
And it's for people on this side.
So I always, my military background, when I read books, I read books from their side so that I know how they think.
And so I'm reading this book and I'm like, this is telling me exactly how these people think.
But the The weird part about it is it's like a picture book.
And so it's illustrated so that children read this.
I've seen it.
So it basically absorbs into their mind from a very young age, even if it's not like a sexual book.
That's right.
That's right.
They're not ready.
The Bible says if you do it to the children, you do it in a hymn.
We just don't need to open up sexual perversion or sexuality, either one, to children.
When they're ready, they'll let you know they're ready.
I have no problem talking about sex.
I talk about it with my children.
Sexual abuse prevention was something I did as a school counselor for decades, and I... Have no problem.
I used to get sexual abuse disclosures.
I would go and I would, you know, go to court and testify and get people put in prison.
That's what I did for a living.
And that's, you know, God gave me the opportunity to help children and I would do it tomorrow.
If I needed to go tomorrow, I would do it tomorrow.
I've spent my whole career doing that.
But sexualizing kids when they're not ready, they're innocent.
It's not our right to take their innocence.
When things start happening in their body naturally and they ask questions, let's talk about it openly.
Let's talk about every bit of it.
Let's go as far as you want to go.
But it's not okay to groom children.
Absolutely.
Did you see...
Jill Biden at the White House, what she said in her speech at the largest Pride event ever held at the White House.
They had it this weekend.
And Jill Biden said, we just want our kids to be kids, you know, and eating too much candy.
And I'm like, kind of sounds like what we've been saying.
Like, we want kids to be kids.
Like, are you like, and are you like not hearing yourself speak?
They're delisional, they're delisional.
It makes no sense.
It makes no sense whatsoever.
I think it's a demonic spirit.
I think that it's sick and twisted and I think that it's demonic and it reminds me of just children being sacrificed and human trafficking that's going on and everything that's been perpetuated and ignored.
Like you were talking about earlier, they just don't want to talk about it.
We just pretend like it's not happening and then we can just go on with our life and And live in our nice homes and pretend like, you know, this isn't really happening.
But it is happening and it's not okay.
And we have to talk about it.
And I'm so thankful because they can't say the things to you they say to me.
Oh, but they do.
They try, but you know.
You're like, no, I'm a grown-up and I've made these choices and I know.
So you can't say these things to me because I have transition and I know.
But they'll try, obviously, because if you're conservative in any way and you try to halt this agenda, this insanity, they can't handle it.
Absolutely.
They try to silence you at every notion because they know, you know, the truth, there's a threat when it comes from somebody like me who gives cover for everything else.
And I tell people when I'm, you know, pushing for this stuff, like the bills, there were bills that just passed in Louisiana.
I've been lobbying through some people down there.
The congresspeople down there, they all have letters from me if they need them to be like, that they can just read on the floor and it's from a trans person to be like, this bill is not transphobic.
I mean, we had a trans person consult on this bill to make sure that it wasn't transphobic.
So it really, you know, it takes away a lot of their ammo that they give to you when somebody like me is on your side speaking the same language.
Yeah, and I think God's using you that way.
I really do.
You know, my business partner, Christy, she talked to you and she's like, I just, I love Sarah.
You have to, you have to do the interview.
And I was like, you know, I'm good.
I wanted to have a trans on here.
I really did.
And then having a conservative trans was like that cherry on top because then we can not argue over liberal craziness.
But talk to me about other things.
I know you believe in Jesus.
We talked about that.
And we agree on so many things.
But talk to me about, as far as the Second Amendment and other Republican things, is there anything about our stance in our party that you're just like, hmm, I'm probably a little bit more in the middle?
Because to me, most people are somewhere in the middle.
They're not way out here.
But that's why I would just like to hear.
Well, yeah, like you said, I am a Christian as well.
So yeah, we talked about that.
And I actually appreciate that you said earlier that it is my relationship to God, because I think a lot of Christians miss that point.
Because I get it all the time that you can't be a Christian and be trans.
It's like, wait a second, my relationship is with me and God.
I don't, you know, try to force what your relationship was with you and God.
That's between us.
But when it comes to the party, my story, my background.
I hope you have a relationship with Jesus, friends, and you're in heaven with me.
People that say that, they have own issues in their heart they need to work out.
Because we're supposed to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling.
And that is not for anybody else to tell you how to do that.
And it does say the first without sin casts the first stone.
And I am not without sin.
So I can't judge anybody else by any measure.
That's not for me to do that.
Exactly.
I really appreciate that.
But so my, yeah, going back to your other question, like my fight with the party.
So this has kind of been my political transformation has been, I grew up in a very conservative household.
I was very much a constitutionalist.
I'm still very much a constitutionalist in most regards.
So, I fully believe in a lot of the same conservative principles and values.
I mean, I was...
I would consider myself part of the Tea Party back in 2012, you know, around that time frame.
Yeah.
My biggest issue...
So, I actually really like...
This is...
I liked Ron Paul at the time, and the only thing I couldn't get past was Ron Paul's foreign policy.
And so...
What really started to disconnect me from the party was how many people we get, you know, the Tea Party, we got so many people elected to higher office to, you know, shrink the budget, shrink the size of government.
And when they got into office, they voted for bills that expanded the size of government.
And so that really just disenfranchised me from a lot of the party.
And so I do consider myself very much a, you know, small L libertarian.
And so it's really hard, but I think that when it comes to most of the values I share, like you said, Second Amendment, I'm a huge Second Amendment supporter.
I'm a gun advocate.
I own guns.
I think that those are the things that we need to...
Push forward.
We need to be pushing more of those things and get back to our roots to shrinking the size of government.
One of the things I hear, because I speak around the country quite a bit, one of the things I hear a lot about from conservatives is, you know, they don't, you know, I don't care what adults do, but keep the children out of it type stuff, you know?
It's like, I think the party gets a bad rap when it comes to LGBT issues sometimes because people don't know how to talk about LGBT issues, which, I mean, we were talking about the log cabin before we went on the air.
I was on the board of the log cabin about a year ago before I really started Getting really busy in my own traveling and advocacy and stuff.
And I do appreciate the work that they do around the country, especially on those types of issues.
It's to be like, hey, like, Donald Trump was probably the most gay-friendly president we've ever had.
And so...
How do we push that more forward too?
But that's probably the only real stance.
I just wish we would get back to focusing on economics and not spending big bills in the party.
That's really what it comes down to.
Yeah, I think, you know, President Trump is like me.
He just loves people.
And you don't...
We shouldn't ever try to control people.
So actually, I had a pastor on an interview.
He would be on the week before you.
So y'all would have seen this last week because you don't want to see this for another week.
But anyway, he and I were talking about, you know, Holy Spirit and how Holy Spirit is not a controller.
But like in a marriage, a woman, we like to control.
Yeah.
And so we've had to fight against that.
But he was showing me this imagery in scripture in Genesis.
And I can't remember the exact verse off the top of my head, but I can find it for you.
But it talks about whenever a woman was created as a helpmate and as a paraclete to the man.
And she is like an image of the Holy Spirit.
Well, Holy Spirit doesn't control, but yet women, we struggle with trying to control our husband because that's just natural.
I mean, I have always struggled with that.
I mean, I'm much better than I used to be as I get older, especially, and God's kind of healed me from that.
But it's something we can struggle with as women.
And so I think that it's important for us to understand those differences and not try to be controlling and let people...
I think that's where He stands.
You love people and don't try to be controlling and don't try to shove things on people.
We have free will.
Holy Spirit doesn't even control us, even though He comes to live inside of us and He comes alongside of us like a paraclete.
Jesus doesn't try to control us.
He pays for our sin.
You have to walk out your faith and your salvation.
Absolutely.
I try not to be...
I have a lot of friends from all different backgrounds, and I love every one of them, and I don't try to...
I want to be saved.
I want to go to heaven, obviously, and I do talk about Jesus a lot because I love him so much, and I truly do, and I want everybody else to have a relationship with him, but I don't want to be like...
You should do this.
If you don't, you're going to burn in hell.
That's not who I am.
No, that's the way that I truly believe Jesus would be the same way.
And what you said about it earlier, too, I actually was at a really ironic story.
So I was up in Pennsylvania.
I was speaking.
I don't know if you know who Chloe Cole is.
She's a detransitioner.
Yeah, actually, I almost had her on my show.
I may and I may get her on, but we were actually in conversation with her.
So we've been doing a lot of events together around the country as well.
We did an event in Pennsylvania, just outside of Philly, and they kept the location completely secret.
And then it was slipped the day before on the radio.
The radio show host accidentally, and within hours, the venue had canceled because they received so many Antifa calls.
Wow.
Wow.
A church in North Philly stepped up and hosted us like that, like super quick.
And it was really interesting because it was really symbolic that it was in a church because one of the questions that one of the audience members asked me was about being trans and stuff like that.
And I truly do believe that God made me this way to be doing what I'm doing right now to protect children.
Because again, like we talked about before, we...
I have a certain voice that people will listen to from certain backgrounds that will not listen to a lot of other people because of who I am.
You have to put somebody into that space that can be that voice.
And so I've always been drawn to helping people.
I mean, like I said, I worked in the military for seven and a half years because I've always been a very protective spirit.
So I guess that's why, you know, I do believe that I'm right where I'm supposed to be in this fight because this is the pivotal point where we need somebody like me that's speaking now.
And I do believe that's kind of the path that I was put on by God.
Well, I'm thankful that you're here.
I'm thankful that you're a voice.
We need every single voice and people that can relate and they can actually say no because they don't want to listen.
It's just this whole craziness agenda that's driving me insane.
And I will tell you, I want to talk about hormones.
Let's come back to that in a second.
I made a post a while ago about I'm sick in my feed, my news feed, and it's from conservatives.
conservatives it's not like other people but it's from that from that pride thing they had the white house and it's like an image of a beautiful female with implants and then they have a bulge like thin bathing suit bottom on and i'm like i don't want to see this and i don't want my children scrolling like i can see my son that's 18 looking at that thinking it's a girl and then being like no i mean because he would just freak out because he is you know
totally you know but and so i made a post and then somebody's like oh you know you need to accept everybody i It's not that.
It's like the imagery and it's the conservatives posting this.
They're trying to expose that this was not okay.
No, it wasn't okay.
And I don't think it should be out in public.
We shouldn't be out there flaunting our sexuality like that in front of everybody.
Go to a strip club, go to a men's club, women's club, whatever.
But...
At the same time, like, you posted on your social media timeline all the time.
It's, like, in my face and in all these children's faces.
So it's the...
You're doing the same thing.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Well, it's called the Streisand...
I mean, we call this the Streisand effect a little bit, too.
Because, like, when...
With me.
Okay, right?
So...
I get locked out of my Twitter account last December for saying that gender dysphoria is a mental illness.
And so they locked me out of my Twitter feed for 12 hours.
And then I wasn't going to delete the tweet because I wasn't wrong.
And so that blew up.
But when you try to cancel somebody, so when that happens to me and they try to cancel me, I only got more exposure from it.
So that's exactly what you're saying.
And so when they're trying to bring this outrage stuff out into the mainstream, like what you're talking about at the White House...
All it's doing is giving it the exposure that it wants and feeding the algorithms.
And so that's part of the issue with social media is the algorithms actually feed based on clicks and likes.
And so that's why I think we're seeing such a divide on both sides.
We're seeing a lot of really radical conservatives go really hard on the trans stuff on the other side and just, you know, really going hard against all trans people.
Yeah.
And it's because they are, I call it a rage, rage posting because they're, they're literally getting clicks and likes and it's boosting their algorithm views, but you're also bringing more attention to it.
And so the other side is just getting more attention from it.
And so it's just separating the sides and each side just getting bigger.
Yeah, and it's making it this, like you said, this small percentage is becoming everything.
It's like, you know, just keeping, it's just crazy.
But let's, I want to talk about what used to be like what one, I was gonna say what used to be 1% of the population is now like the number one thing everybody's talking about.
It's insane.
It is crazy.
I don't know.
It's like a snowball effect.
I want to talk about the hormones because my sister and I actually were talking earlier today about our hormones as mothers.
She had some blood work done and she was saying, I'm taking some vitamins.
I'm not going to go on hormones.
She's way younger than me.
And I said, I am definitely not going on hormones.
I mean, I still have a cycle.
I'm not doing that.
And I said, but I am tired.
I probably should have blood work done, too.
And I said, I would not want to take hormones because then once you start taking them, you have to take them forever.
And we're just having this whole conversation.
Nothing about nothing.
Just us as women.
And so when you were talking about that a while ago, I was reminded about me saying that to her.
Like, I wouldn't want to start taking unless I absolutely had to.
Because she was talking about young people in their early 30s putting pellets in.
These young mothers because they're tired.
Once you do their testosterone pellets or whatever, then you have to do it forever.
And sometimes when you have a baby, your body's depleted and it takes time to bring that back.
So anyway, all that to be said...
I am so against hormone therapy because, to me, you start messing with the chemicals in your body.
And I don't know.
I'm not a medical doctor.
I have a PhD in counseling.
But I have had a lot of courses, higher-level master's doctorate courses, in brain chemicals.
And what happens when you deplete your serotonin and your dopamine and all the effects of adrenaline and the trauma and what it causes.
That in itself and then hormones change.
Your estrogen and testosterone, progesterone, all that plays in effect with your chemicals in your brain.
You start messing with that stuff and it can make you insane.
Yeah.
It was interesting when I first started hormones because...
It was a completely different experience because you're right.
I mean, men and women are very different and estrogen and testosterone do very different things to the body.
I remember, I think it was the first time I ever knew that, you know, my levels were...
More in line with female levels was I was angry and I went to go for a run to blow off steam and I broke down crying in the middle of the run and I was I would have been and it's I've been done kind of a 180 especially with emotions and stuff like that.
It's really interesting because Then I went on progesterone a year after.
So after my first year, I went on progesterone.
And I didn't know what was going on.
Things were happening.
I actually thought I was going crazy a little bit because I didn't know what was going on.
And one of my friends, she was pregnant at the time.
She's like, sounds like you have pregnancy brain.
I'm like, wait, that's what this is?
And you're right.
So it's just not something that I would ever experience because...
And so my body, again, got used to it.
But that's what people don't realize.
My body got used to it.
I don't have a full cycle or anything like that.
Where it starts to make sense when you've had the same hormones going through your body each month, spiking at different levels, like progesterone spiking at different levels of the month and stuff like that.
So you kind of know what you're going through.
You learn to live with that.
So when you When it hits hard like that, you just don't know what's going on.
And so you do, you really need somebody that's really qualified to, you know, help talk you through a lot of this stuff because it's probably normal, but you're right.
I don't, we don't necessarily know what the brain chemistry is, like the male and female brain, how it's going to react with the hormone levels that happen as well.
It's still very much experimental at this point, even for adults to do this stuff.
What about for you, Sarah?
Are you trying to pull back on that?
Or are you leaning into it?
What's the benefit for you?
Or the detriment?
What do you feel?
Have you had thoughts about this?
I have not really.
I mean, I feel comfortable where I'm at.
I think that's the biggest thing.
I couldn't go the other direction.
I feel very comfortable to where I'm at in my transition.
You know, for me, it's always been seen more like transition And it's really interesting because I had immediate results.
I had fast results.
So my testosterone levels...
We're at 19, so well into female levels after just three months of testosterone suppressant.
So that's not normal.
A lot of people without surgery can't even get their testosterone levels into female levels.
So it was like my body reacted like that's what I was supposed to be on.
And it is really interesting, again, going back to emotions, because I probably would have been considered more cold Cold-hearted in my former life.
It was hard for me to...
I was not a crier, not anything like that.
Yeah, it was great for my job.
It wasn't great for relationships, but it was great for my job because I could shut that part of my brain down and continue with my work.
And now, I've had somebody...
I mean, I've had people at events look at me and I would be considered almost an empath because of How much I feel emotions now.
So it's actually in that regard, it's helped me because I've been able to release a lot of the emotions that I used to just be bottled up and not be able to release.
So it's been good for me.
So are you going to fully transition?
Are you going to stop where you are?
Have you fully transitioned?
Like what are you going to do?
I have had bottom surgery, so I have to stay on some sort of hormones for the rest of my life.
Right now, I don't know where I'm going.
How did that go for you?
Was it...
Are you, like, infection-wise, like, is everything good?
You know, because you just hear these horror stories.
And I'm telling you, I've been so, like, traumatized myself, like, watching some of these kids and their pictures that these people, these conservatives, are posting on social media.
It's traumatic for me.
I'm like, I don't want to see that.
You know, I don't want to.
It's heartbreaking.
Yeah.
So, one of the things, and this is another reason why I'm so against children taking puberty blockers and children transitioning, is because the risks go down after you're a fully grown adult.
And so again, I transitioned as a fully grown adult, had surgery, and so we didn't have to graft skin from anywhere else.
We didn't have to graft, they either grafted from the inner thigh or they grafted from the colon, which can cause issues in and of itself.
And so I have had actually really good results.
I'm very happy with my results.
Everything functions fine.
But it's because I think I was an adult when I transitioned.
But I also, I mean, my doctors called me almost a super healer because everything was healed very quickly as well.
So, like, I was ahead of all the timeline.
So after three days, it was like...
I was good to go back to my Airbnb very quickly and do all this stuff.
So I had really good results.
But you're right, when they post a lot of that stuff online...
Now, when they post some of the pictures online, I think that you have to realize that a lot of those pictures are just immediately post-op pictures.
Yeah.
Whereas when they're not posting like pictures from like a year after surgery when it's technically considered fully recovered and all that stuff.
Now on the other side, I honestly don't know why.
I don't know.
I would not advocate any female to get the phalloplasty done because with that surgery, it's not if there's complications, it's when there's complications.
And I also don't think that there's any sexual function that they can add to it.
Like, sexual function...
And that's, again, Marcy Bowers, who's the president of WPATH, has stated that a child who is fully blocked at puberty will never achieve orgasm as an adult.
Period.
Even without transition.
Like, it messes you up.
Yeah.
And so, that's a huge issue where, like, for me...
Everything's functioning and it functions fine because, again, I was an adult.
I've developed those, you know, stimulations and everything like that.
So it's just not anything for, you know, children to do.
And also, so many people need to just...
I mean, this is one of the issues, too, is one thing that's great is that we have...
An open healthcare system here in the U.S. You see a lot of the complications and stuff like that happen in the U.K. and all these other countries.
Well, doctors say what they're doing, hey...
Well, yeah, because we have a competition-based system.
And honestly, you can go to Reddit boards.
There's trans-surgery Reddit boards.
You know who the bad surgeons in the U.S. are.
And I'm surprised that they still are in business because they have such a bad reputation.
I think it's just because the one in New York that I know of...
She's insurance.
Insurance will pay for it.
So people will still risk it to go to where insurance will pay for it.
But when you're looking at socialized medicine countries like the UK and stuff like that, they don't get to choose their doctors like we do here.
And so that's why you see a lot of complications out of those countries.
Well, good, but that's why we need private medicine.
We need medicine to be competitive.
We don't need socialized medicine, okay?
You hear him.
She's saying, like, don't do it.
Exactly.
We don't need...
But what we need to watch, too, is California, I think, is trying to collapse their private healthcare system right now.
They just added...
There's a bill on the floor right now in California that forces...
Um, company-based, uh, so your employer provided healthcare insurance companies to provide surrogacy treatments.
Um, so IVF, so that gay men can have surrogacy.
Um, they redefine what infertility is too, is if you can't have children with, um, With your partner.
And it's like, that's not really what infertility is.
And I don't think you should be forcing healthcare companies to pay for surrogacy.
You know, at all.
For me, as a PhD in counseling, it is complete insanity.
And we talked about the DSM a little bit earlier with gender dysphymorphia, which I call gender identity disorder.
I still call it that because to me, you're just changing the language, but it's the same thing.
So then you're looking at...
Now changing infertility.
Instead of just saying these people who don't have the right anatomy to produce a child, they want a child.
So just say what it is.
Why are we just saying things that are not reality?
And that is insanity in itself for us not to say what's the truth.
Yeah, and think about this too.
It's basically going to allow insurance companies to...
Rent a woman's womb for surrogacy.
And so it's straight evil.
And again, it doesn't cover for California health system.
So their Medicare, whatever it's called, is The bill doesn't cover that.
So California, as a state, does not actually have to pay for this, but only employer-provided insurance.
So that tells me that they are trying to, again, they're trying to raise everybody's premiums to pay for some people's surrogacy and IVF, which is very expensive.
But they're trying to pay for that, and it's going to try to collapse the private health care system in California.
That's the end goal, I believe, in that system.
They just want our whole country to collapse.
They want the whole thing to collapse.
And it's awful.
It's terrible.
It's why I ran for office.
It's why I do this show.
I want people to wake up and for them to get involved locally and push back and do what you did when you went and lobbied at the Capitol and tried to save the children.
Like, let's work together and try to save our country because we're going to lose it.
And there's never been a country like America.
There'll never be another country like America.
And I know eventually the end time is going to be here and Jesus is going to come back.
But I don't think it's now.
And I think that this is a new world order push from elitists for money and power.
And they don't care about anything but their own power and money.
And they will destroy anything that gets in their way.
And we have to stop it.
That's why we have America because our forefathers were pioneering in their mind.
And they thought, hey, we're going to have the greatest nation that ever lived.
And we're going to have capitalism.
And we're going to have all these wonderful things.
And we have been so busy doing our own thing and raising our families and living our lives, making money.
We have not paid attention.
And we have put people in office or people have been selected for office and fake elections.
And they don't represent any of us.
They represent themselves, and now they are destroying us from within.
Yeah, we are behind.
We are behind, but I think it's coming back.
The pendulum theory is it's coming back.
I mean, I think that it's on its backswing, and that's why, again, being out here, I'm trying to stop it at the bottom so it doesn't go too far the other way, too.
That's right.
But it is, I mean, even the symbolism, I've started noticing symbolism and stuff like that.
And one of the things, going back to that White House Pride event, they had that progress flag, which that doesn't stand for the LGBT community.
That stands for critical theory.
I mean, you have...
The black and brown, which is basically your critical race theory lines, and then you have the trans, which is now basically the queer, the Q, and so the queer theory aspect of it in that Chevron, and I made a reel on this on Instagram, but...
The chevron is cutting into the original rainbow because like queer theory it's all based on postmodernism so they don't believe in absolute truth so which means that they don't actually believe in sexuality if you don't believe in absolute truth because if you don't believe in male and female then you don't believe that a male who sleeps with a male is a homosexual so you're literally the cue is erasing but then when they put that in between two two american flags That's just symbolizing that they're cutting the country
in half.
Which is what they want to do.
Exactly.
And that's why I start looking at stuff like that and you see symbolism around everything that they're doing.
Because that enemy always comes to divide and conquer.
He always wants to divide us.
Yeah, I mean, it really is.
It's funny because the left always talks about, like, dog whistles and stuff like that.
And it's really, they are the ones that are putting symbolism out there that really have the dog whistles out there, you know?
Yeah.
Well, is there anything we haven't talked about that you want to talk about today that we've missed?
I don't know.
I don't think so.
I know that you have a powerful message and I know that you were helping in Savannah with the Drag Queen show and we haven't talked about drag queens.
Maybe you should touch on that for a second but I know that you were helping because you don't believe in grooming children.
You don't want to sexualize kids and I'm I'm thankful that you are pushing back on that because so many people buy into that.
It's an all-encompassing thing.
So if I'm standing for rights of people, then I have to push this agenda.
And what happens when we get in that mindset and that brainwashing is eventually it's like, well, love is love.
So let's let an old nasty man who's in his 70s perform oral sex on a five-year-old, right?
And that's what happens when we start going that way.
Yeah, that's why I stopped using...
Actually, it was Lauren Chen, who's with The Blaze.
I talked to her a couple years ago, actually, when she was pushing back against Love is Love, and she made that same point.
And it really connected.
Love is Love was...
Always the wrong message because love is not love when it comes to, you know, children.
That's lust.
That's sick.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's not...
Because that is what love is love leads to.
But yeah, so like when it comes to drag queens and stuff like that...
And I just started to realize this the other day because there was a point in time where I was like...
If you go to a...
Drag queens story hour and the drag queens dressed up in makeup.
I don't think that that's the proper way to, you know, represent the community.
Like, you're trying to preach acceptance by accepting drag culture.
Like, drag culture is like nightclub culture and, you know, party lifestyle.
Yes.
So, but the thing about, I mean, even if it's not, like, sexual in nature, what that does is it gets kids used to being around.
It's like advertising.
It's like the drag queens will go there.
They will advertise to these families.
And then the families will want to, like, the kids will see a sign that says, you know, they're doing their shows now.
And they'll, oh, we saw them at the library.
I want to go see them perform.
And they think it's like this...
Vegas show or something like that.
It's advertisement.
That's the biggest problem.
It's normalizing them to a nightclub culture.
Then you get them into a drag show.
That's never for kids.
Drag shows, I've never seen a drag show that a child should be anywhere 50 feet from.
Because they're sexualized.
That's what the purpose of them...
It's inherently sexual.
Drag shows can be fun.
I don't prefer drag shows myself, but I'm like, hey, you want to go have fun?
Go have fun at a drag show if that's your thing.
But don't take your kids.
Don't allow children because it is like taking your kid to a strip club.
If you like to go to a strip club, I mean, you may not agree with it, You know, but it's the same thing.
Take your kids to a strip club is the exact same thing as taking them to a drag show, which is inherently sexualized, and those kids get exposed to stuff that they are not even ready to start handling.
And you probably will know this because they will be in therapy five years later from the trauma of going through that as a child.
Right, right.
Right.
Well, they just get confused.
And even, you know, some of the things they're seen on TV with Peppa Pig and they have two mommies and they have, you know, so they're getting confused anyway.
Like, what?
That don't make sense.
I don't understand.
And they don't understand.
And so our whole climate's just changing, honestly, just not knowing, you know, you're trying to protect your children.
And you don't, of course, they're going to grow up and they're going to know.
Like, you don't think they're never going to know.
They're going to know.
But there's a time for them to know.
And it's not when they're innocent and they're trying to figure out what they like and what they don't like and trying to just live.
They want to play Barbies and they want to play with trucks and they want to dig in the dirt.
And, you know, it's just not time.
No, it's absolutely.
Like, I don't even know why parents would want to take their kids to a drag show.
Why not just have a fun adult day out, you know?
If you like it, do it.
But why are you wanting to bring your kids to all the stuff that you should be, like, having date nights for at I think that some of these influencers, Sarah, are so...
I was just reading this whole study on these influencers that are making their kids transition.
I'm talking about young, like 5, 7, 9 years old.
And you've probably seen all the TikToks and all the stuff with them.
And they're getting glory for, oh, you're accepting and so you're doing this.
And it's like they're getting views and they're getting famous and at the sake of their children's innocence.
Right.
Yeah.
And what if their kid grows up and they go through puberty and they're totally like, no, I'm a boy and I'm attracted to girls and I feel like I'm a boy and you humiliated me, mama.
That's mortifying.
And I want to be the president of the United States and now I can never run.
I mean, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, so we call those trans-housing mommies because it's Munchhausen's by proxy, but it's trans-housing.
I got it.
And I actually had a tweet that went viral because Kim Klasek posted, why are we not seeing this happen in the hood?
And I responded and said, because it's mostly upper middle class white progressive women who are transitioning their children because they've been taught so much that just by their skin color that they are oppressive.
That they are oppressors just because of that.
And so this is their way to identify into an oppressed category.
And so moms get validation for being like, look at how good of a parent I am because I have a trans child.
Look at how good of a parent I am.
And the kids get that validation to be like...
I'm not an oppressor anymore.
I'm not harming you.
I'm part of this marginalized class, which is cool to be part of a marginalized class.
I think that they're idiots.
I'm telling you, my two boys, I have two boys and I have a girl.
I have two white males that I birthed.
I will fight somebody over them.
I will hurt you over my boys.
I don't want them to be...
They're entitled Everybody who was born in America is entitled.
We are an entitled culture because we are Americans.
Go on a mission trip.
Go to Africa.
Go to India.
Go and look at the places where these children are living.
And it is inhumane.
And we want to say we're entitled by skin color.
No, we're entitled because we're Americans.
And I'm telling you, I will go too bad for my boys.
You know, it just makes me so mad.
As a mom, it makes me mad.
I agree.
I actually, I've talked about this too, because it is, it's very much the, it's like Huff Daddy said back in the day, more money, more problems, right?
Because it's, we live in such a society that we have to create problems that aren't there.
Yeah.
We're entertaining ourselves.
Well, it drives purpose.
We have to have purpose in the world.
So you have to create a problem to fight against, to have purpose.
Some of these people do, it seems like.
And it is interesting what you were talking about before.
I wrote an article, actually the very first op-ed I wrote in Human Events, it was about the sunk cost fallacy with transitioning.
How it starts the moment a child changes their name and pronouns that Once everybody starts to get into this system of acknowledgement and calling this person by this new name and pronouns and everything like that, what happens is as they get deeper down the rabbit hole, It's hard to turn back.
People in this country are not allowed...
We feel shame when we have to admit that we've made a mistake.
And so, especially when you go down that road and then you start taking hormones or you have surgeries and stuff like that, how do you turn back?
Which is why people like Chloe Cole and the detransition community Are so powerful to prevent people from going down the road that they went down because they had to go through this and be like, and now they feel a certain way because now everybody bought into it.
I mean, parents will lose family members, you know, because they're, you know, with their transitioning of the kids and stuff like that.
And so when your parents have lost family members, everybody else is like bending over backwards to make you feel comfortable.
How do you...
Yeah, I made a mistake.
I'm going to go back the other way.
It's very difficult to do.
So it's why we need to prevent that from happening in the first place and letting them know that, you know, if you just let kids grow and let them figure it out, then that's why you allow them to hit adulthood.
Right.
And so don't do anything here at 25, if you're listening.
Me and my PhD self, 25, your brain is fully developed.
And this is where your frontal lobe is, where you make major life decisions.
And I think it should be illegal to have any kind of change before 25 because your brain should get developed before you make those decisions.
That's what I believe.
As a clinician, that's what I believe.
Well, and I will tell you that one of the other issues I've had with a lot of these bills across the country is they specify it for gender dysphoria only.
And a lot of people agree with me when I say this, but they don't add them to bills, is that I say, you know, one of my only complaints is that it's specific to gender dysphoria.
You know, when it comes to surgeries, life-altering elective surgeries, we shouldn't be letting 16-year-old females who have body issues get implants either.
No, you're right.
But yet, in a lot of places, that's allowed.
The other day, we're having this discussion and we're talking about, well, you know, really, we shouldn't allow sex change.
I was like, well, really, we shouldn't allow, you know, parents to buy their children fake boobs at 16 years old either.
You know, so, you know, if you have a health concern, and you have something you have to do, like you said, it's not a late if it's paid for by insurance, because it is, it's, you know, something you need to have done.
That's one thing.
But no, not having something that make you enhance sexually.
No.
Yeah, I fully agree.
I mean, any elective surgeries, I think, you know, until you're an adult, make that decision as an adult.
That's right.
That's right.
Well, Sarah, thank you so much for coming on here.
And I can't wait.
I'm going to meet you in person because you don't live too far from me, I don't think.
No, I live up in Atlanta.
Yeah, and so I'm coming to Atlanta twice next week, actually.
Really?
Yeah, maybe we can meet.
And I know we've got some mutual friends in the Republican Party, so we'll have to figure that out.
But thank you so much for coming, and thank y'all for tuning in to Jesus Guns and Babies.
I will see you next week on the Stu Peters Network at 8 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time.
I love you.
God bless you.
And God bless America.
God bless you.
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