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June 7, 2023 - Stew Peters Show
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Stewart Rhodes, Oathkeepers Founder "Speaks" from Prison: Never-Seen Interview with DeAnna PART II!
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Hungry for it.
We were waiting for that every day.
I think the left would have joined in, too.
We were all waiting for him to not go along with it.
Well, there was the walk-away movement.
Not just the original Trump base.
He got 52% of black American male votes.
That's huge.
That's legit.
It was huge.
That we know of.
There was a tremendous walk-away movement happening.
The Democratic Party is losing its own...
That's why they had to cheat like they did.
Because they're losing their actual base.
Exactly.
It's disintegrating.
Right.
You know?
So yeah, I think if he'd have done it, he said, look, you know what, I'm going to start, and I would have started with the Kennedy assassination.
The truth.
Because it was a deep state killing a Democrat patriotic president.
That would have been a good move.
Yeah, it's like, hey, it's not about, this is not about party.
Unless we only expose the Democrats or things that are done to Republicans, we only expose everything, you know?
That's so true, because it would have enjoyed the Democrats, too.
And because he got elected, I think, by being raw and real and speaking the truth, even though it wasn't popular.
And saying he's going to be hardcore, like putting Hillary in prison.
Yeah, the balls.
But then when his re-election strategy was different, it was like, I'm going to be politically correct and not really tell the truth.
But did he forget his own base loved the truth?
We like that rawness, that realness.
If he said COVID was a sham, don't get the vaccine, you know, the Insurrection Act, his base would have loved that.
We elected him to be a fighter.
I think his own base is looking at him and going, shh.
We thought you were a fighter.
You didn't fight.
You knew they were stealing it.
You conceded, and you let them steal it.
You didn't fight at the end.
Only in the courts, which stuffed you.
The courts betrayed their own oath.
They refused to even hear the case.
The Supreme Court ducked its own original jurisdiction.
When Texas sued the other states, that's under original jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.
It's not an appellate decision for them.
It's original jurisdiction.
They're like the trial court.
They're supposed to hear it.
They have to hear it.
You know?
So when he realized all that was being set up, he's lost the ability to defeat this in the courts through conventional mechanisms.
He's lost in the states.
He had rhino Republicans rolling over and rubber stamping fraudulent results that were not constitutionally obtained.
They weren't done pursuant to the legislation passed by the state legislatures.
So it's like, wait a minute.
You got one last option.
That is declassification, data dump, and then insurrection.
That's all you got.
Yeah, and we would have loved it.
That could have saved the Republic.
Hey, you might have had a conflict.
You may have had a civil war, God forbid, but you may have had actual fighting and conflict, but it would have been under the best terms for us under those circumstances because now you at least are doing it while he's still the commander-in-chief, and if he does the declassification, you've exposed all their crimes.
Exactly.
So you're going to get more of the military going, hey, I'm not down with defending any pedophiles.
Forget you people.
Only the hardcore commies in the streets would have fought back.
True.
And we'd have put that down pretty quick.
Yeah, and at the end of the day, that's what it's going to take to save the Republic.
I mean, now, so now let's just fast forward to January 6th, okay?
So, you know, Trump has his rally.
He says, we'll be wild.
We're going to go to the Capitol and put pressure on everybody and stuff.
And he says, we will walk to the Capitol and I will be with you.
And then he didn't go with them.
That bothered me, actually.
Yeah, it bothered me too.
Well, why did you say that and then...
Then not go.
Not go with us.
It was almost like he sent us and then stepped away.
That rubbed me the wrong way from the beginning.
Right.
You don't have to share if you were at the Capitol or not.
No, I was, yes.
We were there as we had done in two prior Stop the Steal rallies in D.C. The one in November and the one in December and also one in Atlanta.
We were there for the same exact purposes, to protect events like the Latinos for Trump event, which was two blocks to the northeast of the Capitol.
That's where I was that day.
Her and I spoke there, and our guys were guarding that event.
We also had PSD teams out guarding Roger Stone and some of the Stop the Steel speakers and Ali Alexander, the Stop the Steel organizer.
And he had an event scheduled on the east side of the Capitol, right there on the grass right in front of the sidewalk.
He had a scheduled, permitted event scheduled after the Ellipse thing, and that's exactly why Our guys were escorting Stop and Steal people towards the Capitol to go to that second event.
And I was already two blocks away at another event from the Capitol.
And so when we heard, I take it, I heard a hotel room to get warmed up.
One of our guys had a hotel room nearby.
She was freezing.
So my team leader, who's the black cop, WIP, he goes by WIP, who's an ex-army explosives expert in like triple canopy and black water contractor, he was in charge of our event, all these PSD details.
So he had to sign all the guys to go do these PSD details or out doing their details.
They're regarding events, they're regarding PSDs, and then we also, in general, we're going to guard Trump supporters on the way back to their hotels, on the way back to metro stops, or back to their vehicles against Antifa attack.
We've done this all over the country for the entire time we've been Oath Keepers, you know, so protecting people against violence.
So, and we've done 12 Trump rallies, the exact same drill.
Our guys show up in body armor with helmets on because Antifa likes to use clubs and things like that.
They wear goggles.
We've done that in Atlanta.
We've done that in November in D.C. and in December in D.C., the exact same drill.
That's what we were doing that day.
That's it.
That was our mission.
So what happened, though, is when the people started to break into the Capitol that broke through the police lines, my team leader, Whip, texted me and said, or called me and said, hey, they're breaking into the Capitol.
And I said, who's breaking into the Capitol?
He said, well, the Trump supporters.
I said, all right, where are you at?
And we're trying to figure out where we're going to meet up.
I said, I'm coming that way.
We were trying to find each other in the crowd.
He was, you know, running around the Capitol on the outside, so was I, trying to find each other.
And we finally linked up and we told our guys, come to the northeast side, which is right down the street from the venue where we were already guarding.
Come to the northeast corner on the outside of the Capitol.
If you're not on a PSD detail, if you're not on a detail anymore, come there.
I want my guys with us under our control.
Some of them, though, without our...
with no...
No instructions from us, no plan from us, entirely on our own, without our knowledge, entered the Capitol.
And we didn't even know it until afterwards.
So now, they have been arrested, some of them have been arrested, and they've been accused of, you know, insurrection, accused of plotting or conspiring to enter the Capitol and disrupt Congress.
And so now, I don't think there was any plan by anybody to do that.
I think they just got caught up in the moment.
I think there's a good chance a lot of them in defense is going to be they went in to help people.
to render medical aid or to aid police officers but whatever their reason for going in it was separate their own independent decision not not from us not from leadership so they went in um doesn't make them criminals though my position on this is that They have a right to fair trial.
They're innocent until proven guilty.
I'm going to presume that they were going in there for honorable purposes, and we'll see what their defense is.
But, at the most, I think it was just trespass, even if that.
And for that, even if that's a tough argument, if the doors were already open, people were just walking in.
So I see no evidence of any Oath Keeper using any violence against law enforcement.
In fact, quite the opposite, that they're able to help them.
So we'll see how it pans out in their defense.
What's happening, though, is the left is using this as their Reichstag fire moment to, like in the German situation, where they had a fire at the German legislature, and the Nazis used that to crack down on any opponents of theirs, any political opponents, and purge and lock up all their political opponents.
So I think they're using it like that.
And they're going after Trump.
Big target's Trump.
In fact, there's a lawsuit by Benny Thompson, who's a Mississippi congressman.
He's suing Trump, Giuliani, Proud Boys, and Oath Keepers, alleging that we were all in some conspiracy to interrupt Congress, which is completely absurd, you know?
It is, and I was there.
I don't know how close you got, but to me, it looked like people were going in and out like it was a museum.
There was people going in, and that was just the direction of people going in.
It didn't look like there was any resistance.
People were just going in like they were in a museum and going out, and I saw cops just letting people in.
It's just, it's beyond, it felt like now, in retrospect, it looks like it was a trap.
It looks like it was premeditated and a setup, but not on our part.
Well, I think it's certainly true that there were provocateurs.
There's, you know, there's video evidence of Antifa people dressing like Trump supporters, changing their clothes in the bushes.
There's, what's that guy's name, Jaden X? What's his real name?
Yeah.
John Sullivan, who's a known Antifa agitator, who dressed up like a Trump supporter that day.
So it's like, there's your smoking gun right there.
At least one, if not many more.
And there's other groups that we're trying to identify, you know.
Who are these people that we've seen on video, you know, agitating the crowd, encouraging them forward, you know.
Due to some initial breaches.
So I think there were provocateurs, but you also had a lot of those pissed off Trump supporters that just like, you know, went in there.
And I think that's legit too.
Now, I do think that, you know, looking at the evidence, I think there was some facilitation of that.
There's also questions about why there was not more police there.
It didn't even cross my mind that any of our guys were going in.
In fact, we didn't even know that anyone had gone inside.
We just knew people were banging on the doors.
That's what we saw when we were standing outside.
We saw people banging on the doors.
I didn't realize anyone had gone inside until we were coming back around to the Supreme Court side and told our guys to gather.
We started hearing about people going inside and I heard about Ashley Babbitt being shot.
It's like, okay, now we know people have been inside.
We didn't even realize it.
You wouldn't even think that they'd be able to do that.
So there's some suspicion that it was a setup, that they had light security, and the goal was to bring them in and let it happen and then have provocateurs make sure it happened, like Pied Piper, make sure that all the angry Trump supporters come inside.
But like you were saying, once you have, like Kelly often says, you know, Kelly Sorrell, once you have that, you have two different groups.
Those who did the initial breach, including provocateurs and pissed off from supporters, you know, some proud boys, got pissed off and broke the windows and climbed in.
So there's that group.
And then there's those who came behind them and all they see is the doors are open.
They have no idea why.
So how can you even say that they're culpable for intentionally entering in defiance of some decree?
They don't know.
The third group are the people who are trying to break into the Senate chambers, like Ashley Babbitt getting shot climbing through the window.
So that's a different category also.
So there's those who tried to break into the Senate chamber, you can say, well, they're the ones that actually tried to interrupt, you know, the Congress.
Those who just walked in and entered, what are they doing?
Nothing.
Now those who broke the windows and climbed inside, well, okay, breaking, you know, breaking in, but then what did they do?
Unless they went towards the Senate chambers and all they did is walk around the rotunda and take selfies and walk back out, even that's just, what is that, you know?
Forcible entry, that's about it.
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It seems like the perfect...
Recipe to say, oh, here's an excuse to paint all conservatives as violent domestic terrorists.
Oh, yeah, DVEs.
That's right.
Or domestic violent extremists in DVEs.
That's what they're doing.
It's become ridiculous, though.
And that's what it is.
Like I said in my speech today, I think the real target is all Trump supporters.
If you're a conservative, you're a racist, and you're a DVE. You're a domestic violent extremist.
Right.
Now, just to clarify, is the Oath Keepers a racist group?
No.
Okay.
My vice president's black.
Okay.
He's a black cop.
Our team leader in D.C. that day, Whip, is a black ex-cop and army done.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's totally ridiculous.
And is...
I'm a quarter Mexican.
I freaking hate racists.
They hate me too.
Because we're not like that.
Right.
Yeah.
We're like violently anti-racist.
You know?
Absolutely.
And are the Oath Keepers a violent domestic terrorist group?
Just on the record.
For the record.
Now, in fact, you know, all the years we've done security against Antifa, we have never thrown a punch, we've never pepper sprayed anybody, we've never hit them with a baton, and we've never unholstered any of our firearms because they don't mess with us because they're afraid of us.
We just don't close.
We use our presence.
We use our voice.
They don't want to close with us, and we just deter them.
So we're not violent at all.
We just deter.
Now, Would we use violence in self-defense or defense of others?
Of course.
That's the deterrent, though.
But so far, you know, we don't brawl with them in the streets like the Proud Boys do.
Not knocking them.
It's just a different way of doing things.
We don't seek out confrontations.
You know, like Whip says, boring is best.
That's his motto for operations.
Boring is best.
We don't want it to be anything exciting.
We want it to be a boring night where we just get the job done.
We take people safely to their hotel or their car, and we don't have an issue with anybody.
That's what we want.
Now, do sometimes guys get angry and, you know, they see things that Antifa does and they run their mouth?
Yeah.
But on the ground, when we were out there on operations, we tell them, hey, you're not here to go out and seek confrontation with Antifa.
We're only here to escort people.
If they come to you with violence, you defend yourself and defend others, but you don't go beyond lawful self-defense.
Amen.
Right.
Which means boring.
That's how it turns out.
So no, it's like, they're like, oh, you know, Oath Keepers were at events in D.C. that turned violent.
No, the events are boring as hell, and then later on in the night, there's some violence in the streets between, like, Proud Boys and Antifa that comes out, you know, later on after dark, you know?
I think Southern Poverty Law, which obviously is a bogus thing, are you guys smeared by them yet?
Oh, yeah.
We were one of the first...
In 2009, as soon as we started Oath Keepers, they started smearing us, saying that, oh, in response to the first black president being elected, there's a resurgence of the militia movement.
And one of the most terrifying or troubling evidences of this is the Oath Keepers.
That's how they set that up.
Like, we care what color he is.
Yeah.
So they insinuate, they never call us racist because they're not stupid, but they insinuate that we're doing it for racial motivation, racial bias.
That's what they do to avoid being sued for defamation.
It's a white lash, they said.
Yeah.
It's a complete bunk.
It's...
Have you been arrested?
Not yet.
The sharks are circling.
So maybe by the time this airs, I'll be behind bars, you know.
So the sharks are circling.
They're trying to articulate some kind of a conspiracy.
Even though they've got no direct, you know, nothing from me telling my guys to go inside.
They're trying their best to gin up a false connection or communication between me and my guys, telling them to go inside.
It doesn't exist.
So my guess is, I'll try to pressure one of them Hey, if you'll make a deal with us, and we'll give you leniency, and if you'll turn witness for us, and hey, he did talk to you, right?
Didn't he tell you to go inside in some kind of face-to-face conversation or something, or a phone conversation?
They'll try to get one of them to roll over and lie on the stand.
Test a lie.
That's what I expect to see happening.
Test a lie.
Yeah.
That's funny.
Yep.
Brian.
Come over here, man.
Oh, hey, what's up?
You can hang out.
Here, have a seat right here.
I'm surprised by that, because I was upset like you.
I was upset that he hadn't done any kind of defense of his people.
You know, they're persecuting his own base, and it's not just the ones that were entered at the Capitol.
It's everyone that was at the Capitol.
And everyone beyond that, all 80 million Trump supporters or 100 million, whatever they are, they're eventually going to come after all of us.
And I saw the same thing among the GOP. You know, everyone was throwing everyone else under the bus and scattering to the four winds and disassociating themselves and saying, oh, you know, that was awful.
And what happened there was horrible.
I even had some people inside of Oath Keepers, like, splitter off, like our North Carolina chapter, splittered off and declared that it was horrible.
You know, it's like, hey...
You don't know why our guys went inside.
Until I know why they went inside and they have their defense in court, I'm not going to judge them and throw them under the bus.
I refuse to do that.
I had been pressured, like our internet service provider, our credit card processor, told us that I must condemn the Oath Keepers who entered the Capitol.
If I don't disavow them and condemn their actions, then we'll be cut off being able to process credit cards online.
I refuse to do that.
I can't believe that.
Yeah.
Wow.
So now, right at this time, we're scrambling to go find an alternative method of taking credit cards online.
Right now, we can't take credit cards.
We'll fix that.
But the point is, as I was being told, you must disavow them.
I said, no, I'm not doing that.
I will not do that.
So I will not throw any...
I'll say, hey, I didn't tell them to do that.
That was their own decision.
But I'm not condemning them as bad people.
I'm not disavowing them.
I'm saying, hey, they're innocent until proven guilty.
I'm going to wait and see what their defense is.
And I believe that their defense is going to be something honorable.
So we'll see.
So that's how they get people.
Yeah, they try to get you to all...
They want you all to turn on each other and throw each other under the bus and everyone just running high.
And you're seeing that across the right.
I think it's disturbing to watch across the right, the number of people that have been turning on Trump supporters and condemning them.
I've seen that too.
It's gross.
I've got to ask you this.
Over the course of you supporting Trump and MAGA and doing what you do as an Oath Keeper in the militia, have you experienced any...
Oh yeah!
I got kicked off of all the platforms.
Here's what I said.
I said, look, we're in a civil war already against the deep state.
These are open communists all over the country.
BLM is a communist front organization.
They're openly declaring they want to destroy the family.
They want to overthrow the current capitalist system.
Proud communists, their leaderships, middle leaderships are proud, doctrinaire communists.
And then you've got Antifa, same kind of thing.
They're Marxists.
So you've got open declarations of what they're doing.
So I'm just pointing out the reality.
You're already in a civil war.
Trump should vote the Insurrection Act and suppress it so it doesn't get any worse.
And my sisters were saying that over the summer, I was banned off, back in August, I was banned off of Twitter and then Facebook.
We had half a million followers on Facebook.
Been there for 11 years.
Poof, gone.
All our personal pages of anybody who's an admin, gone also.
Everything's gone.
You want to talk about what we should be doing now?
Yeah, but I wanted to just say, can you say real quick about, are you able to say, like, what happens to you in the airport sometimes?
Oh, so during the Obama administration, It got to the point where I had to stop flying because every time I went to fly, I couldn't even get a ticket without them calling DHS and TSA and getting permission for me to fly.
So, and the ticket agent was like, I don't understand why I can't, I can't even give you, I can't check your baggage, I can't give you a ticket.
And I was like, hey, you gotta call them.
She's like, call who?
She's like, you gotta call DHS. She's like, I don't think so.
And she'd be messing around, she'd finally figure out that yeah, she has to call DHS. So I couldn't fly.
I was on a no-fly list unless I had permission.
So no-fly without permission list.
So I'd have to wait for like 20 minutes or half an hour at the desk.
He'd get my ticket.
Then I'd go to security and they'd go through and treat me like a terrorist.
Total frisk.
Taking all my luggage apart.
You know, going through with the little wipes for explosives, all that kind of stuff.
Bomb dogs, whatever.
Then I'd go to a gate.
To go get on a plane and they'd do it again.
And then it got to the point where it got to be so bad that I'd go to a connecting flight and they'd do it again.
And the last time I flew, I was on a connecting flight, landed in Seattle, then maybe I got off the plane, maybe walked all the way down to the front of the airport like I was coming in from the outside, go through security there, and then back to the gate.
And I missed my flight.
And that was my last time I flew.
I got done with that.
I just drove cross-country after that if I needed to.
Stop flying.
For doing nothing wrong.
Well, I had said that John McCain, when he signed the NAA, the NAA, what's it called?
NDAA? Yeah, NDAA of 2012, where he had said, in that it codified in combatant status detention for U.S. citizens.
And I said that by doing so, he had committed an act of war against the American people and was a traitor.
And I said, ironically, he would deny you a right to jury trial and use military jurisdiction over you instead, military trial.
If we tried him for treason, we would give him a jury trial.
But then if he was convicted, we would hang him by the neck until dead, which is the normal punishment.
And the media seized on that.
And after that, that's when I was blackballed from flying without going through all that migger mergumeral.
That's crazy.
So for free speech.
Yeah, for free speech.
But that's starting to happen to Trump supporters.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's starting to happen now, in the wake of January 6th, that's starting to happen to Trump supporters who were there in D.C. Same exact thing.
Wow.
Is this it for America?
Well, I wanted to ask, so you have a We The People, a beautiful We The People tattoo on your arm.
That was given, that was done by Robin Minuta, who was one of the guys who was arrested in D.C. Oh, oh my gosh!
He's on my list of interviews, actually.
Awesome guy.
Really?
He's actually out on bail, and you can probably find him up here in Texas.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, he'd be a good one to interview.
Great guy.
He used to be a paramedic.
That's why he was on Roger Stone's detail.
Roger Stone's an old guy, so I made sure he was a paramedic on that detail.
Rob is one of the guys that was arrested for January 6th, and I want to talk about him related to his case, but he's a staunch patriot.
He had defied Cuomo's COVID restrictions, opened his shop back up, and that was his first customer when he opened his shop back up.
You were?
Yeah, that was his tattoo.
That's amazing.
About, what, seven or eight months ago?
Yeah, I flew to New York to his parlor to support him.
So there's a real reason that that tattoo has even more significance actually now.
Yeah, I figured if I'm going to be the first defiant tattoo customer for a defiant tattoo artist in New York, that's going to be the best one.
That's the most amazing tattoo.
There's like so much symbolism there.
Yeah, I love it.
It's great.
He did a great job.
He's awesome.
Done in tyranny.
He's a good man.
He's a good patriot.
But his tattoo part was trashed by Antifa after that, after January 6th.
They trashed it.
And he has been, you know, persecuted like all the rest of them.
He's a political prisoner.
I think the MAGA movement, like I said, it predates Trump.
I mean, yeah, his campaign assigned that name to it, but that wave of populism, the left has done the long march to the institutions, but they have not yet brainwashed, there's at least 100 million Americans that are still traditional Americans, and more every day are waking up, including on the left, so-called left.
That's going to continue to happen.
And that's exactly why they had to steal the election.
That's exactly why they're trying to suppress free thought.
That's why they have to go and purge you and cancel culture you.
They want to lock you down with a Chinese-style totalitarian system that forces you to shut up.
Not that they convince you that they're right, but they force you to go along.
That's what they're doing.
And the problem they have is, like Catherine Austin Spitz said in her awesome interview about, you know, Planet Lockdown, she said they have two massive problems.
There's more of us than there are of them, of the elites, and we are armed here in the United States.
That's two huge problems.
And that goes inside the military, inside the police, and inside the general population.
That's what they fear.
They're afraid of the people.
And so, as dark as things seem right now, people need to realize our real strength is we outnumber them and we are heavily armed and they fear us.
And so, if we stand together, and not that I'm advocating violence, I'm not, my point is, is they can only We force you to comply if we allow them to terrorize us and make us suppress ourselves.
They have to convince you to sit down and shut up.
If you stand up together and you defy them peacefully with civil disobedience, but also with your sheriff standing up and using interposition, and hopefully the state legislatures, and you...
I mean, we're on the same path as the Founding Fathers.
And I think our course of action is the same.
So they faced a direct parallel.
They faced a foreign power, that was the King of Parliament, ruling over them through domestic puppets that they did not elect.
They had no recourse, no representation, and they were dealing with a massive international corporation called the East India Company that abused power all over them, had special privileges.
We're facing the same exact thing.
You've got foreign powers, Communist China and the global elites, who have installed their puppet.
We did not elect.
We have no control over them or him, for that matter, because we no longer have clean elections.
And other puppets.
And they also are ruling over us through the mechanism of international corporations we have no control over.
Facebook, Google, Amazon, all of these.
So we're in the same peril situation.
I think our response needs to be the same.
They took over the town council meetings.
They took over the county-level government.
They got strong locally.
They grew their own local economies, they grew their own food, they wore homespun, they boycotted the produce of the East India Company and England, and they made their own clothing, and they bought local.
I think we need to do the exact same thing.
Of course, they also refused to comply with the edicts of the King.
When General Gage first landed in Boston Harbor, He read a proclamation from the king banning town hall meetings.
From henceforth, no town hall meeting could be held.
They held town hall meetings anyway.
They nullified, they defied, they used civil disobedience.
And he couldn't do anything about it.
Even right across the harbor from Boston was Salem, Massachusetts.
They held a town hall meeting right there.
And he couldn't do anything about it.
You know why?
Why couldn't he do anything about it?
He was powerless to do anything about it because they were surrounded by 5,000 militia.
So they had a town hall meeting with 5,000 militia men standing around it, and he couldn't do anything.
Now eventually he had to go try to arrest the leadership, Sam Adams and John Hancock, and try to seize the arms at Conker.
He felt pressured to do something.
But they were smart enough, they did not attack Boston.
They went into the countryside where they were strong and he was weak, and they let him come to them.
And they got strong, their town councils and their county governments, and they raised militia.
They had, like the Suffolk County Resolves, or an example, where they said, okay.
What Gage did also is he decommissioned, he stripped the officers who were patriots of their commissions in the militia.
All the militia officers are patriots?
He said, you're no longer a militia officer.
Get out of here.
Create new militias at the town level and put the same officers in charge.
So they created their own separate military, basically.
So they took over locally, got strong locally, raised militias locally, and Minuteman companies, and they got themselves prepared.
But they let him be the aggressor.
They let Gage come to them.
So he was the clear aggressor, but he also aggressed where they were strong and he was weak, and they beat him militarily, And morally.
They had the moral high ground because he was a clear aggressor.
It was a morale victory for their men because they beat them, and militarily he beat them too.
So I think we should learn the same lessons.
We need to resist in our county governments, our state governments.
Our sheriffs are critical.
That's mostly critical.
And I think it is worth doing, and some might disagree, I think it is worth doing to take over your local GOP. I think, you know, I was part of the Ron Paul movement two times in a row, 2008, 2012.
I was on the platform committee in 2008 in Nevada.
We saw the corruption inside the Republican Party.
It was horrible.
But the problem is, is once Ron's campaign fell apart, and they stole it from him, basically.
We all went back into the woodwork.
We all quit.
You can't do that.
If you're gonna fight to take over the GOP, you gotta do it from the bottom up, precinct, and county level, and you gotta be in it for the long haul.
That doesn't mean it's gonna fix everything.
Things are happening so fast, it might not be enough, but at least it still has utility.
So here's a good example of human nature.
You had John Adams, one of the founding fathers, Signing on to a law that was direct violation of the First Amendment.
And he still did it.
So they said that's why you have to have the legislature of the state step in and say no.
Well, that same responsibility is at every level on that chain of command.
All the way down, the local sheriff has the same responsibility.
The local beat cop, the local dog catcher, everyone has that duty to say no and to step in between you and whoever is abusing your rights.
The Democrats, Joe Biden, they're trying to move forward rapidly to try to ban the Second Amendment.
I hope they do.
What would you do?
I hope they do.
Because like in the Founders Day, what led to them finally firing the first shot heard around the world, not that I'm asking for violence, but my point is nothing will get Americans to stand up united together like the attempt to disarm them because we know we can't do that.
We will not let ourselves be disarmed.
We know that they fear our numbers and they fear our arms.
So we know we will not do that.
We cannot and we will not let them disarm us.
You think there's enough people in the U.S. that would feel that way?
Yeah, absolutely.
Because we know.
That's it.
We know if you are disarmed, I want you to imagine what the local Antifa, who will have guns...
Or the local cartel, MS-13 guys who will have guns, will do to you and yours when you are disarmed.
What do communists always do to their victims throughout world history?
It ends in mass graves.
So we know where it ends.
So we won't disarm.
We'll fight first.
And that's what they worry about.
And my last question for you, like I said, you should do a mini-series because I could go all day.
You know, you're obviously a huge patriot, and you have your We the People tattoo, and you've done so many great things for the country.
I do my best.
What does it mean to be a patriot?
to you, what does it mean to be a patriot?
patriot well to me what i always reflect on is
that all of us who served and i'm not saying that you have to be prior service to be a patriot but you know we always all of us served knowing that when we signed up, there's a chance we could lose our life.
We're willing to take that risk.
That's just what we need to do.
I think a patriot has to understand that we're not here but for a short time.
None of us gets out of here alive.
It's about what we leave to our children and our children's children, your children and your grandchildren.
And also, to me, it's all about what others who came before us sacrificed for us.
So like I told my guys, you know, we're going to D.C. It's like, hey guys, You should go to Arlington, and I tell people this sometimes, like, hey, go to any local veterans' cemetery or memorial and just reflect on what they gave, what they sacrificed.
We got guys who were, you know, 18 years old, or sometimes younger, 16, sometimes 15, a lot about their age to get in, 17 years old, who lost their lives serving their country.
Whether you agree with the war they fought or not, the point is that they were willing to give their life.
And they gave everything up.
I've lived a long life.
I've enjoyed a decent life.
All of us have.
It's our Achilles heel though.
Americans right now are slaves for their stuff.
You know, their houses, their cars, their pension, their job, etc., etc., and also just the enjoyment of life and their families.
And we don't want to give that up, and no one wants to give that up cheaply.
And so, but, I think we need to always keep a frame of reference of who came before us, and then who's coming after us.
And so, I think it's important for us to say, now it is our turn.
It's on us right now to be like the watchman on the wall.
Like we say, not on our watch.
It's one of our mottos.
We have to say, okay, we can't know the future.
It's unknown.
All we have is what we see in the past.
Like Patrick Henry said, all I have is To guide my feet is the light of the past.
To see what has happened in the past, for good and bad.
And that includes what the founders went through, but also what we saw in the 20th century.
What we saw in Nazi Germany, and Stalinist Russia, and Communist China, and Cambodia, and Cuba.
Everywhere a communist has taken over.
Dictatorial regimes, whether it's fascist or communist, there's really no difference.
Totalitarian regimes are the same.
We have to say, okay, are we at our Patrick Henry moment?
Are we in the same position they were in?
And to say, what is the right thing to do now?
What's the moral thing?
What's the duty we have?
And that duty is to those who came before and to those who are coming behind us.
But right now, it's us.
We're it.
You know?
We can't blame this on anybody else.
We're in the hot seat, all of us, with all our flaws, with all our infighting.
And the infighting on the right is horrible.
It's awful.
But nonetheless, we are still in the same hot seat and we either come together and fight as a team Or we will be scattered to the four winds and defeated one at a time.
So like the Founders said, you either hang together or you hang separately.
But we have to be willing to do what needs to be done, but also, of course, seeking peaceful means first if we can, but also understanding that may come a time Like has happened throughout human history, we have no choice but to fight.
It's just the way it is.
And you can't close your mind to that.
You have to realize that this is just the way it is.
Sometimes you have no choice, you know?
So, the guys at Bunker Hill, they knew they had to do it, you know?
Every battle throughout our history, the men that stood up and did that battle, they understood that was their duty and they did what they had to do for each other but also for their families and for their country.
So we have to be willing to put the hard work in.
I don't want to see a fight.
The last thing I want to do is see Americans kill Americans on American soil.
It's horrific.
So I think there's one last chance.
As you were saying, they want us to divide against each other and fight each other.
So there's a chance that if enough of the people come together, both left and right, And see that, hey, it really is...
I think the Occupy Wall Street guys were right.
There is the 1% who lords over all of us that owns most of this country illegitimately.
I think they're correct about that.
I just disagree with their solutions.
So I think an Occupy Wall Street 2.0 is what we should be striving for.
And say, this is a legitimate split.
It is that 1% of illegitimate oligarchs versus all of us.
And not just Americans, but the whole world.
And we should all come together and set aside our differences and see who the real enemy is.
If we do that, we win.
If we don't do that, it's going to be a mess.
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