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"Ray Epps is a PEDOPHILE & Abducted me!” His own Daughter speaks out with Bold Claims
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Well, obviously we know that Ray Epps is the FBI agent provocateur that has not been arrested, but he was right in there with the Capitol, with everybody else that's been locked up and tortured and abused for years now.
But Ray Epps is crying innocent.
He's pretending that he's the victim here.
He went on 60 Minutes a couple weeks ago giving a big sob story about how he's innocent and he's the He's a victim of a right-wing conspiracy theory.
Okay, but all evidence on our side leads us to believe that he is, in fact, an agent provocateur, and he was there, planted, to start these riots and to help foment this insurrection.
So we know that so far about Ray Epps, but what else do we know about Ray Epps?
What else do we not know?
Well, interestingly, his own daughter, supposedly his own daughter, Tiffany Epps, has quite the story to tell.
She's been talking about on Twitter and other places the last week that her own dad is a pedophile and that he kidnapped her and some other bold and outrageous accusations.
And I'm pretty sure they're true.
She went on a citizen journalist Twitter space the other day, Dom Luker, Who's pretty awesome.
He's been making the waves with his truth-telling.
He's a conservative and he's a citizen journalist with amazing reporting.
Everybody should follow him, by the way.
So we're joined by him, who's going to share what she told him directly, all these accusations and then more.
So, Don Luker, first of all, welcome to Shots Fired.
How are you?
I'm doing great.
Glad to be here.
Awesome.
It's glad that you'd be here, too.
And what's interesting is kind of what first shot you to stardom is a video that I want to go over first.
Somebody called you from the Raphael Warnick campaign, I guess, and was trying to kind of solicit you on their side, and you weren't having any of it.
You were just calling them out all their BS and all their lies.
Play this video real quick.
That's the thing.
That's why people are voting for Herschel Walker right now because people just want to see a change.
They want to take a jump.
You say a man that was talking about vampires for 10 minutes straight.
This man has a runoff election against Senator Warnock because people are tired of the crime.
People are tired of not feeling safe.
I understand what you're saying, but A large amount of the control of dark money in politics is not...
I mean, some comes from the...
You say dark money, and this is the thing about that, and I'll have to interject on that, the dark money thing?
You'll say it's dark money because the funders are private, but Democrats are funded by the Big Pharma, who created the FDA. But, I mean, our food and drugs should never be entered.
You know, you're funded, they're funded by, and not even that, they're funded also by weapon merchants.
I mean, all this stuff is public knowledge, you know.
Democrats are actually funded by actual warmongers.
So I'm saying I don't understand if anyone's actually that clean.
I disagree with that.
I mean, you can disagree, but...
So can you explain what that was all about?
Were they trying to kind of get you on their side, or what was that all about?
At first, I believe they were soliciting.
I don't know if it was for my dad or what, because I told him he has a Georgia address, and I didn't have one until about two years at that point.
And they still were saying, well, there's mail-in ballots because your name still shows in Georgia.
I'm like, well, my name still shows.
It's not valid.
I haven't stayed there in two years.
And that's when we really had a whole discussion on just Democratic talking points versus Republican talking points.
And she ended up hanging the phone, well, disconnecting the phone in my face by the end of it.
Wow.
I love, first of all, that you videotaped that whole discussion, and then you put that out on Twitter, you put them out on blast.
It just shows how deceptive they are, how devious they are, and how desperate they are just to, maybe because you're Black, they want to try to get your vote, and they think that you're stupid and that you can't do your own research and understand things for yourself.
So that was a big blast that you put them out on, and I think it's just funny that they're so cocky that they think that they can just get your vote automatically.
Yeah, they do.
Well, they've gotten it for the past decade.
So, you know, at this point, they don't really have to show grace or respect when they approach voters.
That was apparent in the call.
You definitely called them out on a lot of things and they were flustered for sure.
So now let's move forward to Ray Epps.
How did you, first of all, get in touch with his daughter, Tiffany Jones Epps?
How did this even happen, this connection between you two?
I dropped the thread on Ray Epps the same day that he had the 60 minutes.
I believe I dropped it about an hour or two hours before the 60 minutes dropped.
And when it was going pretty viral, I posted a Twitter space on it, and she ended up joining the Twitter space.
And we ended up doing it right there for the initial one.
Wow.
So you had no prior contact to her or anything?
She was just like, I want to jump on your Twitter space and get some things off my chest about my dad?
Well, she was on the space and listening.
She hopped on because she wanted to hear and she saw the threat and wanted to see what was going on.
And she said she accidentally picked the request to speak.
And she just ended up speaking.
Wow.
Someone in the chat was saying, well, his daughter isn't here right now.
That's crazy.
So it sounds like she wanted to get a lot of things off her chest, and she doesn't seem very shy about calling out her dad, Ray Epps, as a liar and many other things.
So what were the first things that she told you on this Twitter space publicly about her dad, Ray?
Well, she said he was initially like he was Mormon and he was really strict.
He adopted her, I believe, around three to six years old when she was extremely young.
And she never really knew who her real parents was.
She was told that her mom was like hooked on drugs and was a prostitute and things like that.
But she ended up finding out that her mother wasn't indeed, like, on any type of drugs or none of that nonsense.
She was looking for her.
They were actually wanted posters for her when she was younger.
So he ended up adopting her throughout that.
While she was young, she said she frequently took trips to Mexico with him.
Really never explained to her why they were in very obscene parts of Mexico.
And they would camp out, never to an official hotel.
And she started alluding to him being a pedophile, said he sexually abused her at a young age as well, throughout the adoption.
Wow, so it sounds to me, based on what she said in some of her tweets, that she was stolen or kidnapped by Ray and his wife when she was like four years old.
About the person that found me, which I don't know how I was found, I just know that Ray's wife, the mother, I don't refer to her as my mom, her name is Robin.
Her uncle, Ed Poifair, I was an attorney and contacted Robin and said, I found a little girl that looks just like you.
You need to look into her.
And long story short, I got adopted to Robin and her then husband at the time.
So I was four, and I came from Washington.
I was living in Washington, D.C. at the time, and flew to Utah when I got adopted by her.
They didn't build a system, so at the same time, she's very skeptical of how it happened because She's given a story about her biologicals that just isn't true.
I kind of found out when we were talking about this, there were so many people that resonated with it that said that was a similar story to them.
But they're told that their families were shrunk out and indeed they were looking for them.
Wow.
So she had wanted pictures and wanted posters out for her by her own biological parents.
Meanwhile, while she was in the hands of Ray Epps and his wife, Yeah, she had about six name changes throughout her life, but it was involuntary.
So it's very strange to pay for trouble.
Interesting.
So it sounds to me like she was either trafficked or she was kidnapped by them.
Those are the accusations she's making.
She was basically kidnapped by them but didn't find this out until later in her life.
Yeah, but she never really, she didn't want to say that strong accusation because she said, but it definitely seems like with the confusion that regardless of what the truth is, that they were very aware of it, the very abstinence of wives were aware of, you know, the story being false about the parents.
And also, I don't know which service she went through, the Child Protective Service.
She believes that they were very aware that the parents were looking for her as well.
But she never, did she ever try uniting with her parents?
Do you know if she said that?
Her mom passed, and I have to ask her about with her dad, but I think she got in touch with her biological grandparent, I believe.
Okay.
Interesting.
And she also, she just keeps mentioning, and on her Twitter profile, she says that her goal is to bring her dad, Ray Epps, to justice.
She says that he's a liar and he's compromised.
And she said that he was sexually abusing her, so she does make the accusation that he was a pedophile, right?
That he was abusing her over the years?
Yes.
Yeah, she doesn't really want anything.
She doesn't really too much care about a January 6th.
She just wants justice for her own life and her own past, is what she told me.
Interesting.
Like, the way that he treated her over the years, she wants him to be basically locked up for that?
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
That's what, uh, over the palophilia accusations, that's what she's trying to seek justice for.
Wow.
His name's James Ray Epps.
Everybody keeps calling him Ray, and that might be why people can't find shit on him, but his name's James.
It'll just be interesting to see how...
When the last time have you possibly spoke to him?
When did I speak to him?
Um, at my brother's funeral, six years ago.
He still ain't speak to him at the J6 and all that.
That's crazy.
I don't speak to him because he's a fucking pedophile.
That's why I don't speak to him.
And that's why...
Well, that kind of makes sense on a whole lot of other things then.
Yeah.
If he's working so closely with the DNC. And I'm not even trying to be funny because there are allegations that they will find people that's already...
Compromised.
There we go.
Thank you so much.
That literally was the word.
So people that's compromised, that the FBI, CIA, etc., will use them as assets because it's like, well, we'll make all this disappear.
Yeah.
And she calls him a bad man, that he's compromised, he's an evil man.
Did she mention anything else to you on this Twitter space of why she was a bad man?
Well, there was a time where she said there was a boy, I believe, had a crush on her or something like that.
And the boy tried to kiss her and he found out he shaved her head when she was young and took her to school with a shaving head.
So things like that, that kind of drew the story of the type of person he is or just how the tribe said he was extremely racist.
You know, he would call black people porch monkeys.
He wouldn't allow her to say, you know, if he ever called her with a black guy, he'd be on the roof.
They used to call him Neighborhood sniper, I believe she said when they were younger, because no boys would talk to her because they feared that he would shoot her.
So just things like that kind of built this character.
That's interesting.
Especially interesting, all the name changes that she went through.
That kind of screams of somebody who's hiding something or someone who's maybe working with the CIA or the FBI or something like that.
Well, she also stated that he had a ranch, just for no reason, really.
He had what?
A ranch.
They lived on a ranch in Arizona.
So, you know, they were staying in Arizona through all of it.
And the strangest thing is that It was really no reason to have a ranch, but it was always super secretive.
And after January 6th, he has a lot of security, or even tripwire.
He has trip, actually tripwire there, like explosives as well as automatic weapons that if you go to the swarm parts of that barn, they'll shoot.
So the type of security he has at the barn is very suspect nonetheless.
And this has been, he's had this security at this ranch, this very tight security for many years?
Not until after January 6th.
Not until after January 6th, okay.
Yeah.
Always had surveillance there, but she said the surveillance state was nothing like this.
Hmm.
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting that he didn't get arrested, you know, for January 6th.
I mean, obviously that speaks to something.
He was on the list of the most wanted for FBI, but shortly, taken off shortly after.
It was about three, four months out there.
And ended up getting interviews for it.
Right.
It's strange because, you know, you were told, or at least liberals would tell us that they don't care about any type of conservative value or idea, that everyone's a white supremacist and things like that.
But here you are.
You have MAGA people saying this dude is possibly a pedophile, he's a racist, he's all these other things.
He set up January 6th.
We don't claim him.
And Democrats try to force them on us.
It's almost like anything we hate, they automatically will.
We obviously evidently said that this guy's not one of us.
But yet, even if he is Republican, because she did indeed say that he was Republican.
She never stated he was Democrat.
So she said he is compromised.
But as long as she knows, he was Republican.
And we have the integrity to have stated that.
And Democrats will still say, no, no, no, no.
He's with all of you guys.
It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
They support Ray Epps, but they won't support any of the journalists.
This guy is on video saying we should go into the Capitol, instigating him.
You have people arrested without any video footage.
And they'll say, what are they rightly arrested?
You haven't even seen the footage to make your accusation valid.
But yet you have video footage of this man instigating an insurrection.
And they don't even care.
They support them.
It's crazy the point that we reach where people can't even believe what they see.
It's just, at some point, liberals feel like it's better to be liked than to be right.
They can't admit the truth.
How are they, yeah, I mean, liked by who?
I guess just their own sheeple.
The echo chamber, I guess, is that cognitive dissonance.
It makes them feel safe.
Their entire echo chamber is their safe place.
Yeah.
And for you, were you always a conservative or when did you kind of walk to the other side?
I've always been conservative actually.
I've always been conservative since I was six years old.
Okay.
And did you ever feel, did you ever get hate or negative repercussions because you're black and you're conservative and that's kind of going against the grain in America?
No, because I've always, like, did it.
I mean, it was, at least in my communities, it was never, politics was never, sorry, it was never anything to speak about.
We never spoke about politics.
Even when I was in hip-hop, involved in hip-hop, we wouldn't speak about politics.
It wasn't until Trump came in, I swear.
It wasn't until the whole Trump thing that politics became relevant in hip-hop.
It's very weird.
No one cared about politics until Trump.
And that's when I really made my separation.
When I think about it, that's what my values, because I might have actually still been in hip-hop.
When I think about it, they didn't start attacking the conservative values with it.
It was really, you had to be anti-Trump to remain in hip-hop at that point.
I even had, as the label I was vice president about, because I never made music, I had to make a F-Trump shirt, BLM shirt, and a...
What other shirt did I have to make?
It was something else.
But you literally, that became a formula.
Like, you actually had to be anti-Republican.
I was like, man, I can't do this.
Like, this ain't me.
Yeah.
So, no, I've never been Democrat.
Never.
I've had to live among them and act like them, but that's never been me.
That's good.
I got a lot of hate for it after 2020, though, when I finally spoke out after I had a brand in hip-hop.
And that's when I started seeing hate for being Republican for the first time in my life was in 2020.
Wow.
Well, amen to you for standing up for your beliefs and principles.
It can be hard to do.
And people, I think, feel comfortable like the daughter of Ray Epps coming to you and sharing all this information on your Twitter space.
So that's pretty cool.
Yeah, she's pretty comfortable.
We're pretty close right now.
And anytime she has any interview or anyone try to reach out to her, she comes in first and she'd be like, are they good?
Could you vet them?
So she has a lot of trust in me right now.
I guess she says she just had some type of intuition that led her to me.
Well, I have to say, I actually reached out to her because I thought I wanted to get to the actual source of this information, the original source.
And this was a couple days ago, and she blocked me.
So not only did she not respond, but she just straight up blocked me after asking very nicely for an interview.
So do you know why she would block me?
Well, she never told me anything about that, but I do know when she was getting bombarded, she's the type of person, you know, she did go through a lot of abuse.
When she's getting bombarded by people, she don't know if she's getting attacked, and she doesn't know anything.
Like, when I say she doesn't know anything about a Republican Democrat, she doesn't know who anyone is.
Wow.
She doesn't know anyone.
So she don't know who's Democrat.
She don't know if they're Republican.
But she knows rhinos exist.
So that's what she don't know who's rhinos.
She don't know what.
So I don't know.
She does have times when she says she alienates and have to disappear.
That's why she trusts very few people.
I even go through people just because she said she still dealt with trauma.
So I could think it'd be trauma.
I could speak to her.
I can only imagine how many of the people she blocked me.
Yeah, I mean, I guess I wanted to just hear from you.
Do you feel, do you think that she's credible?
You know, do you think that her story is credible?
Do you think that, do you find her to be...
Well, I'll tell you what, her birth certificate is 100% credible, and the missing posters are.
But the birth certificate, nonetheless, and adoption papers.
I've seen the original birth certificate, I've seen the original adoption papers.
I'm not the only one that deemed her credible.
The main reason I deemed her credible is because there was another journalist that was in there that did an interview with her, I believe two years ago.
And he reviewed all her birth certificate documents and had it all reviewed.
And he deemed it credible as well.
Wow.
So that's two journalists that said so.
So that's definitely his daughter.
Her name is Tiffany Jones, but it's Tiffany Jones-Epp on her birth certificate.
Got it.
Her birth certificate says Tiffany Jones-Epp, but that's definitely her.
Interesting.
And do you know if she has any relationship with her father, Ray Epps, anymore?
Oh, no, no.
She didn't speak to him since her brother's funeral.
And that was at least six years before January 6th.
About six years, I think.
But she didn't speak to him since then.
Okay.
And was there any other bombs that she dropped or anything else other than saying he sexually abused her and he's a pedophile and everything, anything that we missed?
You know, she did have this one moment where he was caught up in Mexico and he was supposed to be there like caught up and got messed up with the police, never said necessarily what it was.
He was able to just make one phone call and say, this is Sergeant Ray Epps, I demand entry, re-entry back into the United States of America.
And she said by that morning they were back in the United States.
That's pretty suspect.
Outside of that, I don't know.
That's interesting.
I mean, it just kind of speaks to who he really is, and he's probably...
Yeah, she doesn't even, she doesn't really know.
She says she feels like she's never known who he is.
Always been super secretive and don't never give her much information.
Almost like she's just a ploy and not a child.
Yeah, like kind of like something to show off, you know, like a trophy or something.
It appears so.
Yeah.
Wow.
That's interesting.
Well, that's all interesting stuff.
I mean, if these accusations are true, which I do believe that they are true, I have no other reason to believe otherwise, again, it just speaks to the greater convoluted collusion that January 6th really was.
And it wasn't on the side of the conservatives, it was on the side of the government colluding and creating this insurrection that they would then punish us for years over.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
Wow, that's crazy.
Well, keep us updated if any more updates happen with Tiffany Jones.
And let us know, everybody, where they can find you, follow your work, and find your awesome work.
You can find me on Twitter at Dom underscore Luker.
But if you search for any platform, just Dom, D-O-M space L-U-C-R-E, I'll pop up.
Perfect.
All right, cool.
Well, thanks so much, Dom, for joining us.
Everybody follow him on Twitter and his work.
He's awesome.
His Twitter's blowing up.
And you've got all the greatest, latest research as well.
You've always got the inside scoop.
I've been following you for a little while.
Thank you so much.
I enjoy your content as well.
You're awesome.
Thank you so much, Dom.
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Well, obviously we've been covering the disgusting grooming and satanic curriculum that is being pushed through all of our schools, even from age from kindergarten.
And this trans agenda that is being pushed on innocent children because we know the communist Marxist agenda is to destroy and corrupt our kids.
They're coming for our kids.
And if you think you're safe from them, It's not.
Every single school now is being pushed through this agenda and it is so disgusting.
Thankfully, we have some moms out there who are fighting like hell to fight for our liberty and for our children.
And we're so gracious for them because they are the ones that are fighting and doing things that so many moms are not.
And all of us really should be.
I have Tiffany Justice joining us.
She's the co-founder of Moms for Liberty.
MomsforLiberty.org is an incredible organization that is fighting for justice for your kids.
And I can't wait to delve in here.
So thank you so much for joining Shots Fired.
Tiffany, how are you?
I'm good.
I'm good.
And my last name is Justice.
I know that's funny.
That's awesome.
Sometimes people ask me, "Well, did you change your last name to do this job?" The truth is no.
In fact, I didn't.
My husband and I have been together for almost 20 years.
But it is an appropriate last name because you're right.
We are fighting for justice and we're fighting to make sure that our children's education is about academic achievement, learning how to read, to write, to do math.
But unfortunately, what we have seen is this very toxic ideology that has been woven into almost every aspect of our children's learning.
Right.
I mean, when I was going to school, I was learning the alphabet, I was learning math, wasn't too good at calculus or math or anything, but I certainly wasn't having this curriculum that had nothing to do with real learning pushed onto me and being asked what gender I am and what pronouns I should use.
That was never the case.
And if it was, I'd probably be a very confused child and then who later became an adult.
So tell us a little bit more about why you founded this organization and what you guys do through this organization.
Sure.
So I'm a mom.
I'm a mom of four kids, 18 through 11.
And in 2016, I stepped up and I ran for school board in my local community.
My children were attending a school that had been largely ignored.
And I was very concerned about the physical safety of the students when they were in school.
There was mold.
The hallways were flooding.
There was...
Leaking, yep, leaking roof, leaking roofs in the classrooms and rats in the cafeteria.
And it was very, yep, it was very concerning.
And so I said, well, why hasn't anyone paid attention to this school?
And what I realized was that the principal hadn't really been advocating for the school in the way that perhaps she should have been because she didn't want to make wafes.
She didn't want to draw attention to the fact that, unfortunately, a very small percentage, around 20% of the students, African-American students at the school, were not reading on grade level.
Now, the school had gotten an A or a B in the state grading system, and so then I started to ask other questions, like, how can you possibly get an A and be okay with that?
If you only have, if a segment of the students in your school are not reading on grade level, a huge segment.
So they didn't like a lot of the questions, but running for school board opened up a lot of doors.
I saw behind the education curtain, and then COVID happened.
And I think every mom and dad saw behind the education curtain, didn't we?
Right, exactly.
That was when we really started thinking, do we need to intervene here?
Because it seems like the teachers are trying to raise our children and they have completely different values and ideas about raising our children.
And they're trying to keep the parents out of it.
Why are they trying?
Why are they being so secretive?
What are they trying to do to our children?
And what kind of curriculum are they pushing where they don't want parents to be involved or overseeing that curriculum?
So have you seen a lot of this kind of secrecy amongst the teachers and the schools trying to push the parents out and push things that are totally inappropriate for children?
Yes, and it doesn't make sense.
If the goal of the public education system is to be successful and to truly educate students, then they must engage parents because parents are the number one driver of student success.
But instead, you're right, we're seeing parents pushed out.
There is a wedge being driven between the parent and the child.
It is very concerning.
And you ask about secrecy.
One of the things that we are seeing happen, I'm in Florida, we have two federal lawsuits, but we're seeing it happen all over the country.
These behind closed doors meetings between staff members, principals, or counselors with children, where children are making all kinds of decisions about changing their gender identity when they're at school.
Different pronouns, a different name, perhaps different clothing.
What bathroom do you want to use?
Where do you want to sleep on overnight field trips?
And so parents have been kept in the dark about this, and we think it is horrific, and we are fighting back with lawsuits and with action all over the country.
We have over 120,000 moms now in 45 states, and it's just really, yeah, really amazing effort by amazing, brave patriots who love our country and love their kids and want to make sure that America stays free.
Amazing.
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And now you're in Florida, so that's actually one of the freest states, one of the most conservative states.
But even you, have you been seeing kind of disgusting curriculum, reading books that they're recommending for children or pushed on them?
What kinds of things are you seeing that is inappropriate for you?
Yeah, I think it's important for parents to understand this isn't a red state or a blue state issue.
The entire institution of American public education has been captured, as we have seen other institutions being captured.
And so we talk about wanting to reclaim and then reform public education so that children are being put first.
Public education has become a jobs program.
The teachers unions act as foot soldiers for the progressive far left.
And it's just very important that we're honest about those things because major reforms need to happen.
So you're right, in Florida, we're seeing evidence of the many concerns in many schools, and we're just taking action about it, and that's why we're making so much news, because we're pushing back.
Right.
I mean, is genderqueer in these kinds of books where they're talking about sex, sexual positions, anal sex, sex between even maybe adults and minors?
Are these types of things a reality?
Because we keep hearing about that, and I luckily do not have children right now in elementary school, but I'm just horrified at some of these books that are being recommended and even encouraged for children to read.
Yeah, people shouldn't be surprised just being recommended and encouraged.
In fact, the president of the American Library Association, a woman named Emily Drabinski, is a self-proclaimed Marxist.
She's said this openly.
In fact, she's the keynote at the 2023 Socialism of America Conference.
So I just believe people when they say things, right?
And we listen.
These books are, in fact, in so many schools, districts, and public school libraries across the country.
We continue to make people aware of them.
You know, there are, on average, like around 13,000 books in any given public school library.
That's like, when you think about, you know, the amount of money that you'd spend, the amount of shelf space that there is, I think it's really important that we start talking about what kinds of books do we actually want in these libraries for our children to have access to.
Unfortunately, the American Library Association, PEN America, and others continue to lie, and when they put out reports, they say things like...
About books like All The Boys Aren't Blue or Gender Queer or This Book Is Gay or Lawn Boy.
They say things and they say claim to be sexually explicit.
Well, I don't know who gets to decide what sexually explicit is other than parents, but these books are incredibly explicit.
And I just say to all of your viewers, Take a second.
Go online.
Look at these books.
Look at the pictures.
Twitter is a treasure trove of information.
Libs of TikTok has posted many, many photos.
These are not books that are appropriate for children, and they must be removed from these libraries.
It's just incredible to me, the defense of this type of explicit content being given to children.
It's ridiculous.
How can anyone defend it?
But there's this new wave of parenting called sex-positive parenting, That I'm seeing and it's again being pushed by Marxist but kind of this weird way of talking about sexuality with your children from a very young age and and acting like everything is normal and we can talk about masturbating we talk about all these weird things that that really young children shouldn't be talking about or exposed to but they're just calling it sex positive parenting and saying that this is a very healthy thing All these books fit under the sex-positive
parenting type of realm.
I mean, I don't know if you're seeing that through other moms with that word, that term being tossed around, but I sure am a lot, and it's just gross.
It's just inappropriate, and a child should not be sexualized for a young age.
Yeah, I mean, I think I'm a pretty sex positive parent.
I'm a married mom of four.
My husband and I have a wonderful relationship.
So, I mean, I think I'm pretty sex positive, right?
We're talking about kids here.
And what you're saying is correct.
When they talk about abstinence, It's no longer, you know, if you have sexual intercourse, you might get pregnant, right?
You could get pregnant and let's talk about abstaining from sexual intercourse.
Now, abstinence programs are discussions and an opportunity for a teacher to discuss anal sex or masturbation or oral sex or all of these other things.
And so when parents think abstinence, they think, okay, well, my kids are going to be taught, you know, don't have sex because...
You might get pregnant, right?
Or you might get an STD. But that's not what's happening.
And so I don't really think that it's positive for an adult that is not a parent to have intimate conversations about sexual relationships with children.
So when people ask me now, what should sex ed look like in school?
We're going to strip it all the way back down to reproductive biology, and we'll let parents handle some of these other discussions at home.
Amazing.
That's exactly what we should be doing.
How effective or impactful do you think that Ron DeSantis' bill, the Parenting Rights and Education bill, or the Don't Say Gay bill is what the liberals call it, but how effective or impactful do you think that's going to be with schools and children?
So a couple of things.
We had a Parents' Bill of Rights that was passed in 2021.
That was really important.
It said that parental rights are fundamental rights.
The government doesn't give you those rights and can't take them away.
And that was put into law.
All of the area, all of the issues around parental rights, around custody, had been around custody, excuse me.
And so this was kind of a different category of law when you think about parental rights.
And so that was an important This is an important bill that was passed and the governor signed into law.
The bill, Parental Rights and Education, said no sexual orientation or gender identity instruction in grades K through 3.
And you're right, it was given this moniker of don't say gay.
I think what I have learned is that the left has to lie in order to market their position.
Because if they told the truth, If they said, we're really mad because we can't talk to your kindergartner about their sexual orientation and whether they want to be a tree or a girl or a boy today, people wouldn't buy it.
People would be like, what do you mean you want to talk to my five-year-old about their sexual orientation?
The least interesting thing about a child in elementary school should be their sexual orientation.
But they have to lie.
So has Ron DeSantis been effective?
Yes, because he makes them very, very angry.
And so, yeah, I mean...
It is effective, and now we know that we're pushing for parental rights all over the country.
Our chapters in 45 different states are working for a parent's bill of rights in their own state.
We have a parent's bill of rights that passed the House in our Congress.
Julia Letlow from Louisiana had sponsored that bill, and Kevin McCarthy also was very supportive.
And Debbie Lesko out of Arizona has a parental rights amendment that she has offered up for our United States Constitution.
I have to be honest, parents can't come together around the issue of parental rights.
If Americans can't rally around that, what else can we rally around?
Exactly.
And in fact, I don't even know if the bill goes far enough.
I think it should be beyond third grade.
I think it should be up to eighth grade, personally.
I don't think that has any business, but...
Yeah, Deanna, you're right.
And the Florida Department of Education just went into rulemaking around that bill and decided that it's never appropriate for gender identity to be taught in schools, and they're removing pieces of courses where gender identity is being discussed currently.
Okay, great.
And how, in your opinion, how effective is it for a mom or dad or somebody to be on a school board?
Because we used to think that, like, do politics even matter?
Does it matter to get involved?
Is it really going to do anything?
But it does seem like being on a school board, like the last two years, it seems like you guys are making waves and making an impact here, especially with all the Marxist, communist, liberal parents that are on the school board.
So what do you think?
Do you think it's worth it?
Do you think it is effective if more moms, parents, etc., join their local school board?
I think conservatives in general over the past 20 years have really ceded the ground of public education to the left.
And that's been unfortunate.
We see that.
We see evidence of that every day.
School choice is important and it's something.
Education freedom.
We support our moms having the freedom to make decisions about their child's education.
But we also recognize that it's time for us to re-engage.
The unions have been placing people on school boards all over the country for decades.
And they like that because the school board bargains with the unions.
So they go into collective bargaining.
They talk about, you know, the contract for the teachers union.
So basically they've been bargaining against themselves.
They're very angry that we're disrupting the balance of power and education.
It absolutely is helpful and important for you to run for elected office, whether that's school board or county commission or representative, whatever it is, wherever your heart leads you, Americans need to re-engage in our governance process.
Amen.
And again, you said it perfectly.
I keep saying this too.
Why aren't more moms, mama bears and dads?
I mean, this should be a uniting issue that we should be taking to the streets over.
The issue of them corrupting our children and sexualizing our children.
I mean, we should be taking to the streets every single day to make an impact.
This is one of the biggest issues in America right now.
And we should be rallying on the streets, protesting the streets, making things happen.
So thankfully, you and your organization are making things happen.
Any last words?
And make sure you tell people where they can find you and or join your program, your organization.
Yeah, please join Moms for Liberty.
Go to our website, momsforliberty.org.
You're going to see a big map there.
Click on the state where you live, and there will be a drop-down menu that will show you where chapters are located in your state, where we set up chapters by county.
If we don't have a chapter near you, click to start one.
Maybe you're not going to be the chapter chair, but perhaps you'll be the secretary or a treasurer, or you'll do media for the group, but please join us.
Awesome.
Amazing.
Join them.
This is a really, really cool organization, and you guys are definitely making waves.
Thank you so much, Tiffany, for joining us.
Tiffany Justice, we'll be right back.
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