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April 13, 2023 - Stew Peters Show
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Dating Site, Blood & Sperm for Un-VAX’d?! YES! Founder of “Unjected”
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Alright, well, have you been dating recently in this madness of the apocalypse that we're in right now?
Or if you haven't been dating, are you looking to find the one?
Are you looking to find a marriage partner that you can grow a family with?
But you definitely don't want somebody who's been jabbed with the bioweapon because we know how that's going to go down with infertility.
And heart issues and heart attacks and whatnot.
We don't want that.
But with the world mostly vaccinated, we got about 80% of the population that's been vaccinated.
How can we find an appropriate life partner through that mess over there?
If it was like a needle in a haystack before, it's like a needle in a farm.
We have a perfect solution for you.
I wish I came up with the idea, but I didn't.
This is an incredible online dating site and social media site to meet friends and like-minded people and hopefully your special someone, but only those who are unjabbed, who are pure bloods.
And it's called Unjected.
And I got the founder of Unjected with me today to talk about this.
I'm so excited.
Shelby Thompson.
Thanks so much for joining Shots Fired.
How are you?
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm great and it is my pleasure to be here and let everybody know about our awesome platform.
This is so exciting because, well, first of all, I poured myself a little glass of wine to act like I'm on a date with you and cheers to you because this is so important right now.
I mean, in so many dating sites, whether it's Tinder or Hinge or whatnot, we see so many profiles that say, if you're unvaccinated, you can swipe left because I don't want to talk to you.
I'm like, oh yeah, please, thanks for weeding us out because I don't want you anyways.
You made it easy.
Yeah, made it easy.
But at the same time, and there's all these virtue signals now, you can get badges if you've been vaccinated and stuff, and people are so excited to show their vaccinated badge.
But the pool of dating partners was already really slim for people who are conservative, and now it just got way slimmer.
Because just because you're a conservative doesn't mean you're unvaxxed.
In fact, there's a huge population of conservatives that have also been vaccinated.
So this is gold.
Tell me what your thought process was thinking and creating this injected site.
Let's talk about that.
Absolutely.
So you're going to have to rewind the clock a little bit back to, you know, spring of 2021.
You're, you know, on social media, Instagram, Facebook, whatever it might be, Tinder.
And literally everyone you know, it seemed like at that time, you know, was taking a selfie with their fax card, so proud, you know, oh, just got my second shot of poison.
You know, and it was so horrifying, personally, to watch all of my friends and family, you know, not heed warnings, you know, go out and take this biological weapon that we all know that it is.
And so, you know, it immediately came to my attention that we don't know what's in this and what the long-term You know, consequences are going to be.
The shot rollout came on so heavy that hundreds of thousands of women started reporting menstrual changes after being with vaccinated partners or working in close office spaces, you know, where they were around a lot of vaccinated individuals.
Or even if they, you know, maybe got the vaccine themselves.
And the media was entirely gaslighting, you know, this whole population of women.
You know, that's not true.
That couldn't happen.
Not coincidentally, at the same time, Pfizer was releasing their clinical trials, which talked about exposure in pregnancy.
And they talk about this being inhalation or skin contact with a trial participant Within 30 days of conception, which I found to be extremely frightening that nobody was talking about this.
I'm a mother myself, so it meant a lot to me to look more into this.
And we have these menstrual issues, we've got these Pfizer clinical trials, and we just saw the need.
So initially, Injected was launched for dating, but we saw...
That, you know, families, relationships have been severed and friendships have been severed.
And there was actually such a need for a community as well.
So that's when we kind of branched off a little bit.
And so, yeah, dating, friendships, community.
But when we introduced a social feed, that's when things got a little bit tricky with our censorship.
Oh, no.
So what happened with the social feed and the censorship?
So, well, as you can imagine, we were just all in there expressing our constitutional rights and our freedom of speech to talk about exactly our opinions on the vaccine.
And, you know, we had a you could imagine it is a long feed where you can post images or comments, talk to each other.
And we, you know, we had a lot of conversation about, you know, the bioweapon causing infertility, maybe connecting to 5G's.
I mean, anything in between.
We had it.
We had it there.
We had some app testers that went through to review the, at the time we were an app, and they saw all of these things, they reported us to Apple, and that was the start of our censorship whirlwind, where they did delete us off of the platform at Apple Store.
Yeah.
And then we were threatened by Google several times.
So it was that moment where it was like, you can't fire us.
We quit.
And we're going web-based only.
So that's kind of when we shifted gears and went to Unjected.com.
Well, it's kind of like what happened with Gab as well and so many others of these sites.
It's a little bit more of a hassle to get through because you can't do it straight from your phone sometimes, but it's worth it.
And I think the idea of geeking out on anti-Bill Gates stuff and bioweapon stuff and everything is like right up our audience's alleys.
So I'm pretty sure you're gonna have lots of new subscribers that love to geek out on that stuff and with like-minded people.
Like you said, this was a full-blown Marxist communist attack on the family, a butchering of the family unit and not just with the family unit itself but your entire communities.
I lost so many of my family and best friends due to this.
I'm the single sole person in my entire family, extended family, that have not been vaccinated.
Wow.
It's alienated so many of them.
I've gone through a lot.
But in turn, I kind of had to accept that I might not have those relationships in my family ever again.
And at first I really was very angry about it.
I went through a lot of grieving, but then I realized these new people I've met in my life since have, it's kind of like adopting a new family, become a family and people are searching for family members that may be in my position who have been alienated by their own blood family.
But we have to kind of look at families in a different way these days.
Unfortunately, And find community and like-minded friends, not just like-minded partners, but friends who are equally yoked and who believe in the same principles that we do.
That's how we're going to fight and win this war, and it's how we're going to build community.
Community is just so important, and we're not going to let them win by completely alienating our communities from us.
So, again, that's why I think this site is so important.
Thank you.
Yeah, just like you said, you know, every single one of us has that common theme of feeling ostracized or slandered by society as a whole.
You know, our loving families saying you're no longer welcome to come to Christmas dinner.
You know, this is an atrocity that happened across the whole world.
And, you know, we really have this cathartic moment to come together and say, you know, we're actually a big, injected family now.
And, you know, we can find our own community and resources and like-minded people within our area that, you know, respect our decision to remain, you know, unvaccinated.
And medical freedom, above all, is everything.
And it was always our right to be vaccinated.
We're unvaccinated and stay away from this poison.
And there was no reason it had to even come to this place to begin with.
But, you know, I'm so fortunate that we've met all of these incredible people in this community because I wouldn't have it any other way.
Are you finding that, first of all, are there more people than you thought that have been drawn to a sight like yours?
And are there more people that you thought that are searching for other unvaccinated people?
You know, I always felt like it was going to be an extreme need.
So I think I'm not shocked by it.
I always knew that there was going to be so many people that thought this was just not for them.
You know, I think it it still amazes me.
Actually, even today, we have vaccinated individuals that have come to us and said, I regret my decision.
I realized I messed up so, so bad.
Can I also be injected?
I've been asking that actually.
Do you find people that have regretted it and come to you?
We do!
And that's actually where we've introduced a profile option for those people as well who did decide that that was an avax affliction.
But it's amazing to me.
At first it was those people who were very true in their convictions.
As time has moved on, I would say a lot of people are realizing the issues that we have with the blood bank system, fertility in general, and just the need to be able to express themselves without being censored on other platforms.
So it's shifted a little bit away from the mandate portion of the vaccine and more into how do we overcome these long-term consequences for what's going to happen.
Yeah.
That's what's really scary.
I've seen lately a lot of people that have had buyer's remorse and they were all in it or they didn't want to do it to begin with but was really pressured by their loved one or family or their work and they did it and they really regretted it.
And they're like, how do I get this out of my body?
And they're seeing a lot of people that don't want to be with them, that are swiping left on them because they're vaccinated but they want that person.
And they're getting dumped by people, by women or men that are smart enough to not be vaccinated and they don't want to be with someone who has been vaccinated even once.
And I'm very curious as to what the future holds in the next year or two, especially for those people.
And I think we're going to see more and more people as people, athletes, celebrities are just dropping dead from heart attacks.
And sudden adult death syndrome, I think more people are going to absolutely regret this.
And they're going to be searching for a community or other people to be with romantically like this.
Don't you think?
Oh, absolutely.
You know, we're still in the thick of clinical trials, you know, clinical trials aren't over until 2026, 27.
So right now we are just really gathering all of the information for what, you know, what these people did do.
And what was in this injection and what the consequence is going to be.
So, you know, as time goes on, I do believe it's going to be more and more evident to people that, you know, if they want to have a future family, they want to protect their own personal health and, you know, have that safety about finding, you know, friendships or partners or even business relationships.
I do think it's going to become more and more apparent.
Unfortunately, yeah, as Died suddenly It makes its way into every part of society.
It's really frightening to see.
And I just know that when we all come together, we're going to be able to get out of this on the other side.
It's all about community and finding your people.
At the end of the day, big tech and big pharma They always have these malicious, nefarious, you know, things out for us.
But if we get together and we get, you know, offline and we get in person, that's how we win this.
You know, the Revolutionary War was only won with a really small amount of the population.
So just because it might seem like there's only a few of us left that are, you know, untainted, it doesn't matter.
We still have the power and capacity to make the change that we need.
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Amen to that.
And we can't do it if we're sitting on our butts not connecting.
Again, we want to break our spirit and our will and part of a psychological torture is to separate you from other people and make you feel like you're alone.
Yes.
And that's just letting them win.
So every way that we can connect with like-minded, equally yoked folks, equally blood folks at this point, we have to do that.
And that's how we're going to get stronger.
That's how we're going to feel more confident in winning.
Otherwise, our spirit will be broken.
I don't know about you, but during the depression, but yeah, during the pandemic, the first year I was...
I never felt like this feeling of depression, like this dark, dark place.
I was starting to feel that.
And I'm like, wait, this isn't me.
Like, these are not my thoughts.
What the hell is going on?
And I realized so much of that dark, dark place was because I wasn't seeing people or family on a regular basis.
And that's exactly what they want.
So community is very important.
Like-minded people is essential.
They also say that That the mRNA is reducing men's sperm count.
It's causing testicular cancer, testicular pain, ovarian cancer.
And then, of course, I've had many OBGYNs come on the show to talk about the rate of fetal death that has skyrocketed now.
So it's kind of like, do you even have sex with someone who's vaccinated if you're single and you really want to...
Sleep with someone.
I don't do casual checks in my religion, in my book, but there's some people that might.
And I don't even think that's worth it.
I agree with you.
Dr.
McCullough is a really great supporter of our injected movement and we had him on our podcast recently ago and that was one of the things we discussed.
Is there a potential to even keep yourself safe as an unvaccinated individual and being with a vaccinated?
We do feel strongly that the mRNA is transferred and the saliva and the sweat In your actual air.
So, you know, if you do want to protect yourself and you feel strongly about it, yeah, I would say, you know, that's probably the best thing to do is to avoid, you know, getting yourself into situations like that, for sure.
Yeah, you can't really get a refund of the mRNA.
I mean, once it's...
Yeah.
Sorry.
It's in there.
I want to take this back.
Right, and we still have no idea what it's actually doing to our DNA. Right.
We have no idea.
This is like when people are saying, oh, well, you know, this is all the devastation that we're going to see right now.
No, this is the tip of the iceberg that we're seeing.
We have no idea what they've programmed in that for 5, 10, 20 years down the line or through the next generation passed down.
Absolutely.
Right.
So blood banks are also becoming vitally important And people who are starting to, I've seen that there's been a rise of people who are starting to request unvaccinated blood, but unfortunately, which makes zero sense,
but it makes sense to the elites who have an agenda that's nefarious, they won't tell you if you're going to receive vaccinated or unvaccinated blood If you need a transfusion or if you need blood, they must keep it in their records which blood is vaccinated or which one isn't.
But the fact that they won't tell you is so scary and frightening.
And so if we got to come up with a blood bank, that's going to be gold.
Are you guys talking about that too?
We are.
So, you know, it was actually in the summer of 21 where, you know, actually some of the initial people who were vaccine injured were becoming magnetic.
And I was immediately just like, what is going on in your blood system that would, you know, have that happen?
When I went into the Red Cross website, I was here doing a little bit of digging.
You know, initially they weren't accepting vaccinated plasma.
They quietly had kind of changed all of these things and they did start accepting whole blood donations and plasma donations from vaccinated individuals in the summer of 21.
What they said is that you only had to wait 48 hours to donate blood post-shot if you knew what one that you had.
And if you just had no idea, all you had to do was wait was two weeks And that includes every single booster as well.
So, you know, people are walking in there with injection cocktails, they're donating blood, and then that blood has a potential to be given to, you know, the most fragile newborn babies in the NICU. It's absolutely just crimes against humanity.
They are doing it on purpose.
You know, they want to be able to get that mRNA in us no matter what.
And, you know, over 4 million people a year need an emergency transfusion, let alone The need for transfusions in OBGYN settings, et cetera, et cetera, just basic surgeries.
So there's a huge, huge demand for untainted blood.
And right now, the pushback definitely is within surgeons, hospitals, and basically just doctors who don't believe that there's a difference within Within vaccinated versus unvaccinated blood, which, you know, we obviously know is not true.
There's large differences and that have been studied.
And so, you know, yeah, we're facing the societal pushback, but that is something that we work on really Strongly unejected, we actually are part of the Alliance of Blood Cooperative.
And it's us and a couple other organizations internationally that are focused on creating the infrastructure to actually allow people to designate their own blood donor or even like autologous blood donation where you can donate blood to yourself.
Because we believe that that's a civil liberty to choose, you know, what goes into your body or whose fluids you want to take.
So yeah, it's definitely a lot of pushback right now for Unjected.
Our directory system is basically just a matching system.
So you could just go on there and put your name, blood type, and general location and contact information.
And basically you're just kind of on the list if somebody needed to contact you in your area.
To link up for a donation.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Mark my words, blood is going to be the next gold, unvaccinated blood.
And same with sperm and eggs.
These things are going to be the gold in the future, in the very near future, I think.
So ladies, get those eggs ready.
Men, don't get any shots.
Get that sperm ready.
I mean, really, because it's going to be the next goal.
It's It blows my mind that over 70% of the entire world has had at least one shot.
So that leaves only, you know, less than 30%.
We're really rare.
And that number, that amount is shrinking every day.
So yeah.
And scarily enough, you know, it's showing the reverse transcription is going into lines of, you know, mice.
Up to four litters they're showing.
So, you know, this is absolutely being transferred in the DNA of, you know, mothers who have been vaccinated to their children.
And yeah, you're absolutely right.
Sperm, eggs, and even breast milk, you know, mRNA is found in breast milk as well.
Surrogates and even actual one...
One thing that was brought to my attention that I never even thought of was embryos that are actually frozen right now that were made from unvaccinated parents, those can also be donated to unvaccinated donors.
So yeah, we've got that directory system as well, but I couldn't agree more.
It's going to be a vital part of humanity.
Yeah, I think the new pickup line in our world, at least, you know, guys on your pickup truck or something, just put unvaccinated sperm right here.
Exactly.
The world are going to be like, roll down your window.
Call me.
Yeah, exactly.
What's your injected profile?
Yeah, what's your injected profile?
That's going to be the new pickup line, at least in our geeky, unvaccinated world.
So this is awesome.
This is very needed.
And I hope that a lot of people find their loved ones because, like we said, it's going to be generational, passed down.
And if you just think, well, they made a mistake and maybe I can look past their three shots or whatever and still marry them, just think about it.
Think about the fact that it can be passed down generationally.
And it is important that we populate our numbers, too.
You know, we got to reproduce and populate the earth with our kind of people, with our values and our will.
Because it takes a hell of a lot of a strong will to fight past the greatest gaslighting campaign in the entire world.
Absolutely.
Yeah, military-grade operations that we've all survived.
So, you know, I give everybody a big high five in our community if you've made it this far.
You have the personal convictions of, you know, more than most.
It is.
And like I always say, too, it's not...
What God would want.
And it surprises me that a lot of Christians have been get vaccinated because that's choosing fear over faith instead of faith over fear.
I just, A, this is not from God and B, I can't imagine this being something God would want or promote in our bodies because that is literally choosing fear and submitting to fear over faith that God will take care of us.
And he created our bodies to be perfect and overcome such things like this.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I mean, there's evidence showing that the, you know, the mRNA, it's actually replacing the parts of the genetic sequence, you know, that have been previously said to hold the name of God in your body.
You know, Yehua is supposedly written in the genetics, and that's exactly what the RNA is supposed to go in and remove.
So, you know, I couldn't agree with you more.
It's a spiritual fight above all.
Yeah, absolutely.
Wow.
Well, so great talking to you.
You're very enlightening and inspiring.
Where can everybody find your site again?
And guys, I'm pretty sure you're going to get a lot of new subscribers after this.
Perfect.
Yeah, so everyone can find us on Unjected.com.
So if you previously remember the app, we are no longer there.
So just Unjected.com, web-based only.
And then you can, of course, find us on our socials, Unjected Official, pretty much anywhere.
Okay, awesome.
And can they donate to your cause as well?
Is there a donation or no, not yet?
There is.
So we actually do have a premium option for Unjected membership.
Most of the platform is totally free to utilize, but if you want to support our community and help fund our developments and our venture You can actually become a Premium Unjected member, which is $11.11 a month.
We love our angel numbers, but that just helps us build our community.
All right.
Well, awesome.
Thank you so much for joining Shots Fired.
It's been great talking to you, and I'm excited to check out this site more.
And guys, you should, and ladies, gentlemen, everybody should go ahead and subscribe.
Thanks so much for having me.
It's been a total pleasure.
Thanks so much.
We'll have you back on again soon, okay?
Thanks.
Aloha.
Bye.
We'll be right back, guys, with another riveting interview, so don't you go anywhere.
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Well, as you know, I've been, the last couple weeks and months, I've been highlighting stories of transgender regret.
Individuals who have gone through a transformation, especially as a child, transitioned into the opposite sex, many of them undergoing very painful, permanent surgeries, life-altering decisions, And then later, when they were actually old and mature enough to understand what the ramifications were on their selves, their bodies, and their lives, they deeply regretted it.
And we've been highlighting the dangers of these transformations of sex change operations, Even Jazz Jennings recently has admitted that she doesn't feel like herself lately.
Well, I wonder why.
Because she's not herself.
She has transformed into this fake version of herself because the media and these phony doctors have told her to, and her life has been ruined, and she's now suffering the mental consequences of this type of mental prison that these people have put themselves through.
A lot of them through not their fault, but the fault of the media, these phony doctors and therapists who affirm this, who affirm this false identity for them.
I mean, if I wanted to say that I wanted to be an airplane one day or a cat, would everybody just go ahead and affirm me?
Or would that be crazy?
I'm pretty sure that would be crazy.
But we're in this affirmation generation and we're seeing the results of that, the devastating consequences of that.
So I have here a very special guest to talk more in detail about this.
She's one of the producers of Affirmation Generation.
Based on the information that I had, that medical transition is by far the best treatment and that you are at risk for suicide if you don't follow that path.
I thought I only really had one path that I could take. - There's a current belief system.
There's an oversimplification that all gender dysphoria has one cause, which is, you know, being born in the wrong body, and that there's one treatment, which is transition.
And you don't ask questions.
This is the only way to go.
There are some people who do benefit from transition, but there are some people who are harmed from transition.
The therapist said, I'm automatically transgender.
and she had my letter to transition right away after my first session with her. - Autism, childhood sexual abuse, internalized homophobia, internalized misogyny, there's just so many reasons internalized misogyny, there's just so many reasons that people transition and end up later regretting it.
It seems like all of this is based on the fear that if you don't affirm a child's identity right away, they're going to be at a high risk of suicide.
It's just not true.
And in fact, those who had transitioned had suicide rates 19 times higher than population-matched controls.
These vulnerable people were treated incredibly badly by the professionals.
Affirmation Generation is a groundbreaking documentary that was recently released about this very topic of what we're living through right now and the consequences of it.
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Stephanie Nguyen, thanks so much for joining Shots Fired.
How are you?
Good to be here.
Thanks for having me, Deanna.
Well, it's sad that I have to have you on because what we're living through right now is really a giant social experiment of which we don't really know the long-term consequences yet, but we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg.
So tell us a little bit more about what this documentary is, first of all.
Affirmation Generation is an original feature length documentary that's available now.
Early access is available to watch for free online.
And it features the stories of 60 transitioners.
So people who, as you said, believed that they were the opposite sex, made irreversible changes to their bodies and went through the social transition process as well and came to regret it.
So we walk with these 60 transitioners, three men and three women, And we interview a range of experts.
I'm honored to be one of those experts as a licensed marriage and family therapist.
We also feature other therapists, doctors, pediatricians, endocrinologists, and sociologists and researchers.
And we follow the story of how these detransitioners came to believe they were the opposite sex.
And we unpack the underlying mental health issues and traumas that were not properly addressed by the professionals.
And we explore how the field got swept up into this belief system and what are the ramifications of that.
Wow, that's amazing.
So I have to admit, I've seen the trailer, and the trailer is incredible.
The trailer gives me goosebumps.
The trailer is what I've been talking about for a while now with my viewers.
And I've interviewed some of those people, including Abel.
I've interviewed also Chloe Cole on my show just a few weeks ago.
Walter Heyer is, I believe he's in his 70s, and he's one of the original sex change operation victims that has lived through it, later regretted it, and he runs the website sexchangeregret.com.
And it's just, it's insane to hear about these stories.
And a lot of people think, they point the finger and say, well, this person's just really messed up and so stupid.
Why would they do that to themselves?
But the reality is when you're a child, you're vulnerable to be taken advantage of and manipulated.
And that's what's happening here is this giant gaslighting operation and children can't drive because they don't understand the road yet and how to drive.
They can't vote.
So why the hell are they being gaslit to have these permanent life altering decisions and operations on their body?
So it's not necessarily the child's fault.
They're just falling victim to this manipulation and so many different areas of pressure.
Like I said, from children to their peers, the psychologists, I put that in quotes because I don't know any, I can't imagine that real psychologists could want this for a child, but they are pushing this.
And doctors and there's this whole, it just seems like an operation or an agenda and different arms of this agenda that are pressuring children to do this.
So thank you so much for making this documentary and contributing to this because it's so important and maybe it will wake up people.
Maybe it will open up some people's eyes to the dangers of this.
Well, I think that you're right that it's easy to have an empathy gap with people who believed that they were trans.
And this happens on both sides of the aisle.
So I think well-meaning people on the left side of the political spectrum buy into this idea that there is this sort of magical thing called a trans person.
And for this person, all the other laws of nature are suspended.
This person knows who they are at an early age.
For this person, it's true that you can be born in the wrong body, even if you wouldn't say that to someone who's born with a disability, for instance.
So there's a sort of suspension of disbelief and this magical thinking that goes into idealizing this image of the magical trans person and then bending the normal rules of human interaction and the laws of nature to suit that.
And then I think on the other side, like you said, those people who think, well, someone must be crazy or stupid to do this, there's also that empathy gap because we don't see the vulnerability.
As you're pointing out, being a child One is vulnerable.
But our film also features people who got swept up into this in adulthood.
And for them, it had to do with complex trauma, undiagnosed comorbidities like autism, history of bullying, struggling with their sexuality.
And social media influence, to name a few things, as well as history of eating disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder.
And really, what our film seeks to do, among other things, is to humanize these people who've been through transition regret, that they're just like you and me, that we all go through dark times in our life where we're vulnerable, we're desperate, and we're searching for answers.
And the right sort of You know, the perfect storm can happen and did happen to many people who, for whom other forms of help could have worked, you know?
That was one of the things that Laura in our film said, the detransitioning, she said, one of the hardest things about it is that I realized that I could have just worked through my trauma.
Mm-hmm.
Well, what's so frightening is Billboard Chris.
I had him on my show a couple weeks ago.
And in all my research of studying transgenderism and transitions, I never came across this piece of information.
And he said, he brought to my attention that at least 50% of those children that are diagnosed with gender dysphoria also have autism.
And moderate to severe autism.
And I'm like, whoa, wait a second.
This is like a very huge, pertinent and profound piece of information that the media is just conveniently leaving out.
I couldn't find that anywhere on a Google search or anything.
This is huge.
And so since then, I've joined different types of transgender transition regret subreddits.
And it's so interesting because so many of these transitioners Who have had mastectomies or who are considering having bottom surgery or whatnot, they have autism.
They're admitting the fact that they have autism.
And this is huge because they're even more susceptible to being taken advantage of, manipulated.
Not to say that they're stupid, they're very bright, but they do have a tendency to get fixated on things.
And so the fact that I feel like they're being taken advantage of Oh, well, you know, here's the solution to your problems.
It's really that you're just a transgender or you're really just a boy trapped in a girl's body and take this magic pill, aka start this transitional process and all your problems will be solved and you feel like you'll socially fit in, etc.
I mean, that is just profound.
So are you seeing these a lot of cases of autism yourself as well?
Absolutely.
So Billboard Chris is also featured in our film.
And one of our detransitioners, Michelle, didn't realize until well into her...
I honestly can't remember at the moment if it was after she'd transitioned or after she had already started to detransition.
Or at some point in her detransition process was when she realized that she actually had undiagnosed autism.
So we follow her story as well.
And of course, it makes sense.
Like you say, it's the autistic mind tends to fixate on rigid black and white narratives.
It also really makes sense because people who are autistic don't tend to fit into gender stereotypes, right?
So girls are, you know, autistic girls are Not likely to be able to read well the sort of catty subtle social behaviors of other girls.
They're not likely to see the point of doing things that make you physically uncomfortable just to try to look a certain way.
So they already feel like they don't quite fit as women.
They're more likely to have male typical interests or gender neutral interests.
And people with autism have a history of being bullied and feeling different.
And I think that one of the reasons people turn to identifying as trans is that it's a way of guarding against shame.
Because here someone comes and tells you it's not your fault, it's Because you were born in the wrong body and because of all the bias in the world.
So it's other people's fault or however you conceive it, it's nature's fault or it's God's fault, but it's not your fault.
And that's so comforting when you have all the shame from a lifetime of feeling excluded and not knowing why you're different.
It's unbelievable.
And what a shocker that your documentary goes into the sources of a person's potential gender confusion or torment or confusion in general as a teenager.
Because there's typically a pattern there.
There's usually something that happened, an event in their childhood, a series of events, trauma, or something that led to them feeling this way.
And what have you found as far as the prescription or solution goes in the gender affirming world?
Because what it seems like to me is they just prescribe, oh, you have some confusion.
You think you're a male or female, let's just start the process of transitioning instead of actually, shocker, exploring maybe where those things have come from and potential trauma or events in their childhood.
Can you say a little bit more about that?
The current so-called gender-affirming model really It has it backwards.
So the idea is that whatever type of psychological distress someone is experiencing, if they also have gender dysphoria or identify as trans or non-binary or something else gender-wise, that is the root cause.
And treating that through these irreversible procedures medically, jumping to the most invasive and permanent quote unquote solution, Is the starting point.
And it's expected that that will have positive ripple effects on everything else, that that'll cause their comorbidities to go away, which is such a dangerous and ill-founded, unfounded assumption to make.
And meanwhile, those of us like myself and other therapists who are saying, you know, gender dysphoria could be a symptom of any number of other things.
For example, sexual trauma.
It's common.
It's tragically common that girls who have been Right.
Right.
should start with the least invasive treatment, right?
First, do no harm.
Right.
And that these things can be worked out psychologically.
We know that people with a history of gender dysphoria, if left to their own devices, if left to mature and provided proper support, will desist from gender dysphoria most of the time.
So we're saying why make this a permanent lifelong condition and make this person dependent on the medical system when there are non-invasive measures by which we can examine the root cause of the discomfort with their sexed body.
We believe that it's a good and noble goal to support someone becoming comfortable with their body just in the same way that if someone had an eating disorder, if an anorexic had body dysmorphia and thought she was fat, we wouldn't want to affirm that.
We would want to help her accept her body.
So we think that's a noble goal.
And yet the trans rights activists call people like me conversion therapists for wanting to get to the root cause.
That's so criminal and sinister.
And unethical, I would think, too.
I mean, so do you explore in the documentary, too, how these doctors are even going along with it?
The doctors, psychologists, judges.
I'm friends with Jeffrey Younger from Texas.
You probably heard a story where his ex-wife has basically taken his child and tried to transition his child without his consent.
He's been in long battles for it.
I mean, do you explore at all this end of it, how these doctors are going along with it?
How are these so-called professionals affirming this?
Yeah, so fortunately we were able to interview Dr.
Julia Mason.
She is a pediatrician who shares in our film about the internal battle within the American Association of Pediatrics.
So she describes that there Prior to a few years ago, there was sort of a normal process by which members of the AAP would raise concerns on discussion boards and they would vote on them and then the most popular concerns would be addressed.
But when doctors like her started bringing up this gender issue, calling for a systematic review of the evidence, The whole way that the AAP organized its discussions shifted in order to silence that.
So, Dr.
Mason would say, this is not the view of the average pediatrician.
Our concerns are widespread, but dissent is being silenced.
It really seems like there's a nefarious agenda at play here.
Wow.
That's how I feel, too.
It seems like it's a coordinated effort, a coordinated agenda.
And if you don't play ball with them, if you're not going along with the narrative, you can get your medical license stripped now from you.
You can be deemed a conversion therapist or some right-wing transpo bigot.
It's insane.
Do you talk about and explore the long-term impacts of children and adults who have gone through these painful, sometimes irreversible surgeries and later regretted it?
I'm sure that women who've cut off their God-given natural breasts through mastectomies Later regret the fact that they cannot breastfeed now.
And some of them might never be able to have their own children.
Some of these people will be sterile for their life and made this decision before they even realized they wanted children or what that meant.
So do you explore those kinds of things in the documentary as well?
Absolutely.
So you named a few, pain, regret, infertility.
And our film really goes into the medical harm.
So for instance, David, one of our detransitioners, from the effects of taking cross-sex hormones, he developed osteoporosis and osteopenia to the point where he wasn't able to walk without assistance.
And that's very common.
And he didn't even take puberty blockers.
We know puberty blockers Greatly increase the risk because they inhibit the formation of bone density during a critical developmental period.
So we know it's going to be bad for the kids that have been getting puberty blockers, but even some adults taking cross-sex hormones without a history of puberty blockers will have bone problems.
Vaginal atrophy Complications from surgeries, the need for repeat surgeries, loss of sensation, chronic pain, surgical scar pain, joint pain, inflammation, edema, increased cardiovascular risks of heart attack, stroke, Alzheimer's, dementia, type 2 diabetes.
The list goes on.
Our film really tries to explore those medical harms.
That's insane.
For women or girls, because they're still girls at this time, who start taking the cross-sex hormones, the puberty blockers, etc., and their voice deepens tremendously into basically a man's voice, I've heard that for those girls, even if they try to detransition later, it's very hard or impossible to get their female voice back.
Do you know any truth to that?
Absolutely.
And so for many of these women, there's shame around their voice and also physical pain from the changes to their vocal cords.
We follow a singer named Kat, a well-known detransitioner and musician named Kat Cadenson in our documentary, who I've also interviewed on my podcast, and that'll be coming out soon.
And Kat was a singer before she transed.
And she had a beautiful high-pitched range.
And when she first started taking testosterone at first, she was happy with the changes because she wanted to be able to hit some of those lower notes.
And she had thought that appearing more masculine was going to make her happy.
But after a while, she started to lose her voice.
It became painful to sing or speak.
Only a whisper would come out.
And she went through a complex grieving process.
And she started praying for her voice back.
And now, you know, thankfully, Kat is in a better place with her voice where she does have a permanently deepened voice, but it's not as deep as it was.
She's been working to get it back and working on her vocal range.
But you also see that in Michelle's story.
There's a point in the documentary where she's doing sort of a vlog tracking her progress on testosterone during the first few months of her transition.
And you hear even within the matter of weeks, you know, zero weeks, four weeks, eight weeks, how much it drops.
Wow, unbelievable.
Do you think the parents are to blame, too, for putting their children through these surgeries and transitioning them and not just stopping them?
Because look, if my child was going to cross the street at five years old, I would stop them.
If my child tried to drive a car at 10 years old, I would stop them.
You know, part of your duty as a parent and responsibility is to prevent your child from doing dangerous things to themselves.
But what are your thoughts on that?
I think parents are in a really difficult place.
This is one of the main populations I work with in my therapy practice.
I hear from parents all around the country, which is why I also opened up consulting, because I'm only licensed to diagnose and treat mental health conditions in the state of Oregon.
I have a lot of families in Oregon coming to me for help.
But I also do sort of consulting, just using my mental health background to help parents navigate the system in other states.
And there are a lot of really good parents who are in a really desperate place.
They've had CPS called on them.
They've lost their jobs.
Their marriages are falling apart in their desperate attempt to save their kids.
They're losing sleep.
There are a lot of really good parents that have had threats of suicide used to back them into corners.
Now, are there some parents who I think are maybe a little bit less deserving of our compassion, a little bit more deserving of our scrutiny?
I think those would be the parents that fall into what many people call sort of the Munchausen's portrait of the parent that That has maybe some personality disorder traits and has something personally at stake that they're getting some kind of ego gratification out of having a trans kid and they've sort of pushed their kid in that direction.
Earlier you talked about Jazz Jennings and that's a frequent accusation of Jeanette Jennings is That she had such a hand in this and that it's about her own ego gratification.
But I hesitate to blame parents for the most part.
I just want to empower parents because they are scared and the whole system is working against them at times, it feels like.
And their kids are saying things that are so confusing for them.
One of the main things I do in my work with parents is I help parents understand where their kids are getting these messages because kids say some really bizarre things.
And I say, yes, that's actually the latest thing they're all saying on TikTok.
Here's the context behind that.
And I help parents sort of learn to hold onto their sanity and not be manipulated.
Yeah, because then the child is so deep into it, they start gaslighting their own parents.
And like you said, some of them might threaten CPS because their parents won't let them affirm or transition into the opposite sex.
They might threaten suicide.
They're sending these messages to their own parents and putting them in a very difficult position, the same messages that they've already been indoctrinated with.
So it's, you're right.
I mean, it's hard to blame, to point the finger at one person necessarily, but it's this societal agenda that's pushing it so hard through TikTok, through social media, through TV, etc.
That's so freaking dangerous.
Well, it's been a pleasure to have you on.
This is such an important topic and a conversation that we need to continue to have so that more parents' eyes and children's eyes can be open.
Again, where can everybody find this incredible documentary and watch it?
Just visit our website.
You can watch the trailer there.
You can donate, find our research, and you can just click on the Vimeo link to watch early access to the documentary.
You can currently stream it online for free.
On social media, you can find Affirmation Generation on Twitter at 22Affirmation and on Instagram at Affirmation Generation.
Amazing.
Thank you so much.
And everybody, check out this incredible documentary.
It's groundbreaking.
Share it with your friends.
Share it with your friends that you don't think would even like this or appreciate it because they're probably the ones that probably need to see this the most.
If they think this is right-wing QAnon propaganda, definitely send it to them.
So watch this because it's important.
Everybody needs to watch this and have this conversation at home, at the dinner table, with your family, with your friends.
Stephanie Nguyen, thank you so much for joining us.
It's been a pleasure, and good luck with the documentary.
I can't wait to watch the whole thing.
Thanks, Dana.
It's been a pleasure.
Thanks.
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