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Well, the shot heard around the world right now is Trump, President Trump.
Is he being arrested?
I mean, he said last week he was going to be arrested on Monday.
Then, didn't happen.
Then he said, no, no, I'm going to be arrested on Tuesday.
That didn't happen either.
Now he said he's going to be arrested at some point in this next week.
Well, what can we expect?
Is President Trump literally going to be arrested, handcuffed, made to do a perp walk, in an orange jumpsuit, behind bars?
I mean, is this actually happening to a President Trump?
What's going on here?
And what are the details of this?
Why?
Why is this happening either?
I mean, the district attorney of New York said that this was kind of just him drumming up support for his base.
Well, who better to delve deep into this and get some answers Then my friend, Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer, former intelligence officer.
He worked for the Trump campaign and the National Security Advisor to Trump, advise Trump.
The author of Operation Darkheart, former intelligence officer and the president of the London Center for Policy Research.
Quite an intro.
Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer, how are you doing?
And welcome to Shots Fired.
I'm well.
How are you?
I'm good.
Thank you.
I'm trying to stay sane in this craziness.
That's true.
So what's really going on here?
I mean, is Trump, from you know, is President Trump, is this thing actually happening?
What are some of the details that you know to be true?
So, first, let me say something for the record.
If they do this, I think it'd go either way right now.
This opens the door to go after Obama, because one of the things that I think you're probably following in the media right now, DOJ is refusing to release unclassified documents to my friend John Solomon.
John has had to sue over them.
And I believe what they're covering up is a trail regarding the Russia collusion narrative that goes all the way to a guy named Barack Obama.
And if that's true, they opened this door with Trump, they opened that door for Obama, just saying.
It's like, once you open this door to indicting presidents, Katie, bar the door.
So, be careful what you wish for, you know, on the left.
And to that point...
It's not going to be perp walked.
I mean, this is the fantasy of the left.
I see this constantly.
It's like this is essentially a misdemeanor at best that they're trying to drum up and amplify to a felony, which, by the way, the Department of Justice looked at and said, no, we're not going to do this.
And at best, the statute of limitations is gone.
There's this two-year statute of limitations on what they're saying, which basically is that President Trump used money illegally for a campaign.
He didn't do it properly.
That's such a...
It's a misdemeanor.
But the only way they can do it now is upgrading it to a felony.
Somehow, because if there's a material change in the charge, then they can start the clock again.
Like, oh, the clock starts again two years from now.
But I don't think they've got probable cause sufficient because they found a memo from the president's old lawyer there, what's his name, Cohen, that says, oh no, I just paid Stormy Daniel out of my own goodness of my own heart back in his instance.
It's a memo that he wrote.
So it's kind of like, There's contradictory information that I think the grand jury is seeing right now.
And I think that's why they canceled the grand jury for the rest of the week, is because I think there's pandemonium inside.
And I think Bragg is recognizing there's a limitation to his powers, and everybody sees what this is, even the left.
Even the guys in the progressive left are saying, this is kind of extreme, even for us.
And I think right now there's a pause.
We'll see if it starts back up next week.
Well, it's ridiculous.
You said that this would open the door if this happened.
This would open up the door to Obama or Biden.
But yes, that would be our wet dream, right, to see that happen and see Obama do a perp walk.
Well, again, I don't think he'd do a perp walk, but he should be indicted for misusing the federal government, acting under the color of law to go after Mike Flynn and President Trump.
Yes.
And a hundred more other crimes.
There's hundreds of crimes, real crimes that Obama committed, that Biden has committed, real crimes that affect our country and the security of our country.
And yes, it would be a dream, it'd be a fantasy, but there's always two tiers of justice, right?
There's the justice that any little thing that they can find on a conservative, they'll throw them behind bars for.
But the left could murder people in plain sight, and they could just walk away free.
So, I don't know.
Yes, it would be great to pave the way for that, but it seems like it wouldn't even happen anyways.
Because who's the president right now?
The real president?
Not the real president, but the person in the White House.
Let's put it that way.
Well, no, I think this is Obama's third term.
I've said this several times, and I often slip and say the Obama administration.
Because, no, I think Valerie Jarrett and Susan Rice are there at the White House every day, basically playing quarterback for Obama, calling the shots.
You know, you've got Obama and Colorama Avenue in D.C., Who's basically the coach.
You've got his quarterback and running back there, Valerie Jarrett, and what's her name?
I just said her name and I forgot it already.
Susan Rice.
Susan Rice.
And they're the ones actually pulling the strings and calling the plays for Obama.
I mean...
Yeah, they're the people behind the string.
Right, exactly.
But I do believe that we need to seek, again, if they do open this door with Trump, if they do indict him next week, then I think, I know the Republicans I work with would pursue criminal charges for Obama regarding the range of things he did do regarding the abuse of power.
Wow, wow.
So do you think that when Trump is saying that he's going to get arrested this week and everything, do you think that he's kind of drumming up his bass a little bit, like getting up some enthusiasm as well?
Or do you think that she sincerely feels that he could get arrested?
I don't know.
I think $1.5 million in fundraising for the week is probably a pretty good indication of why he said it.
You made $1.5 million this week.
Wow.
Yeah.
So it's helping him fundraise if nothing else.
I mean, right?
Yeah.
It's a credible threat.
There's no doubt.
But yeah, he did some great money raising.
And again, I think our side is rightfully saying...
I don't think you all want to do this.
I don't think you understand because if he can raise $1.5 million in a week off of just the threat, imagine what happens if he is indictment.
Again, it's like the Princess Bride.
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word you're using.
I don't think you want to use indictment against Trump because I don't think it's going to have the results you want it to have in the long run.
I don't think so either.
So you think ultimately they're probably pausing it.
They're probably not going to go through with it.
They're pouring a little bit of cold water on it and going to kind of wait and see.
I think the Cohen memo, the 2016 memo, where basically Cohen, who's a liar...
I mean, when does a liar stop lying?
I mean, which lie do you believe?
Do you believe the one he told when he got convicted?
Do you believe the memo now that's come up?
I mean, what do you believe?
So the guy who's the most important...
Witness to this whole crime, supposed crime, is the guy that's most unreliable.
I mean, so it's like, really?
You're going to bet the entire future of the Democrat Party on this one guy who's played both sides against the middle and lost every time.
You're going to do that.
That's really smart.
So I think there is a pause, and I think a lot of folks at the senior level, at the Soros level of the party, are saying, gee, I'm not sure if this is a good idea at this point.
Interesting.
So do you think that it's a good idea moving forward that Trump is going to be running for a next term of presidency?
I mean, it's kind of weird to think about what's going to happen two years ahead because our country is in such chaos and disarray right now.
It's hard to imagine.
And, you know, obviously there was an election theft that occurred and everything.
How could they release those reins of control once again when now they have all of the power, meaning the powers that be, those that are running the White House right now?
I have a hard time believing that they're going to relinquish that power when the time comes.
Well, that's the thing.
So, is it a good idea if Trump runs?
Only if he's learned lessons.
And let me be very clear on this.
Very clear.
And I've said this to his folks.
There's three things he did not do.
First, he did not listen to people advising him.
I met with Rudy Giuliani 30 days before the election and said, hey, you're about to see some really bad things happen.
And you probably were detailed and descriptive.
I gave them a two-page memo, two and a half pages.
And so my first advice to the campaign is, you better listen to people who advise you next time.
Because, oh, well, the polls are so good, we're not worried about it.
It's like, yeah, that's not a answer.
Crazy.
Yeah.
So that's number one.
You need to listen to people who have been, you know, in situations where they see the T-leans and they understand what's about to come.
Secondly, if he runs, he's got to pick the right people who actually know how to run the government.
I will give him the benefit of the doubt when he rolled in and he brought Brance Priebus in, high roll, Yeah.
All those deep state knuckleheads because he thought, you know, it was like a business.
So I've won.
I'm taking over the business.
Like, no, it doesn't work like that.
So he better have learned his lesson.
Like, personnel is policy.
So the people, if you want policy that reflects your values, you've got to pick the people who are going to actually understand how to do that.
Now, Reagan did that.
As a matter of fact, I don't know if you knew this, the Reagan folks were ready to come in and help Trump do that, and he rejected them coming in.
It's like the stupidest thing.
Yeah.
Did not know that.
Well, I did because I was part of that.
I was on the transition team.
It's like, let's get the Reagan guys in charge of hiring.
They wouldn't do it.
Anyway, so the third thing, for goodness sake, don't let the federal bureaucracy dictate to you what it's going to do.
The other thing he did not do, he never gained control of the appropriations process of basically the budget.
He never gained control of it.
And as we know, the last year of his administration, he had DHS and FBI working against him.
Working against his own interest of re-election.
So it's kind of like, if you allow people like McMaster, like Bolton, and all these other folks come in and allow them to pick for you who they want to run these federal bureaucracies, you're going to lose every time.
Every time.
So, that's what I'm saying.
It's like, Trump should only run if he's learned his lessons, because if he's going to do the same thing, make the same mistakes again, then don't run.
Don't even show up.
And I'm not telling anything I haven't told to his folks already.
So...
I agree because, and I'm not sure if he has learned his lessons based on some of the endorsements that he's given in the last year or two.
Very questionable.
The support that he's given to a lot of rhinos recently.
I don't know.
Sometimes I wonder, has he actually learned this lesson?
Is he really listening to the people that are important to listen to?
Or is he still going to listen to the same deep state people?
And can he have discernment to know the difference?
I mean, part of being a great president for our interests is to learn how to operate, not just running a business, but know who to actually trust and discern between deep state folks and rhinos and actual conservative patriots who have our best interests.
And it seems like time after time, he keeps choosing the rhinos and the deep state ops.
It worries me.
No, and again, I have said this to his folks.
I'm saying nothing to you that I've not already said to them in some...
Yeah.
And so, yeah, he's got...
Because, again, he goes up against Biden.
He brings in the same folks who are basically compromised by the neocons.
The neocons play for the progressives.
I don't know why people understand this.
Like, Bill Kristol, all the Lincoln Project, those guys are not...
They're not Republicans.
They're not even Minos.
Not in any safer form, right?
They're Trotskyites, for goodness sake.
They're actually communists.
Wow.
So it's like, don't listen to the thing they say.
Don't trust them.
And yet somehow, you know, oh, well, you know, we're just trying to focus on what's best for the country.
No, you're not.
You're a leftist.
And so I'm just saying Bolton is part of that.
They've got a whole group of folks who are, you know, basically, they call themselves conservatives, but they're not.
Liz Cheney.
Liz Cheney, for goodness sake.
I mean, she's the ultimate kind of You know, Atrosky and Miss Piggy Makeup.
So it's just not good.
Yeah.
And Ron DeSantis, Governor Ron DeSantis, is focused on making Florida great again.
So he's a true conservative, I believe.
I believe so, too.
And look, I know him.
I think I've talked about this in other interviews.
He's worked with us.
He was in the element of the Freedom Caucus that I worked with while I was advising members of Congress.
And I still do.
But I'm just saying, back in the day, back when he was there in Congress, he was part of that team that I advised.
So yes, I do believe he's a true conservative.
And he's trying his best to actually show what practical conservatism can do for a state when it's applied properly.
All right, cool.
Last question I just have to ask you.
Do you think that we're really going to go into war with Ukraine?
Do you think they're really going to try to send American troops to fight for Ukraine?
The only way Ukraine's going to win is with boots on the ground from NATO. That's it.
There's just no other way.
If you run the numbers, if you just take a step back, remove all the emotion, stop John Kirby in his snappy ties from being on Sunday shows.
And Balenci in his snappy shirt.
Well, yeah, and his new dancing.
The new dancing, I like.
I mean, that sounds like, man, that guy missed his calling.
He should be in Vegas with Showgirls.
But anyway, my point is, is that if you just look at the numbers, there's absolutely no way they're going to win, no matter how much technology we give them.
And plus, the other thing, have you noticed that every time we pledge something, it's like, oh, yeah, we're going to send it to them in eight months.
We're going to get that all done in a year, maybe.
Yeah.
Look, if Biden was really wanting them to win, you would see battalions of Abrams tanks showing up now, ready to go.
You're not seeing this.
Like, yeah, we're going to make you some.
Well, how long is it going to take?
I don't know, six, seven months?
I mean, come on.
Well, we're going to do the offensive next week.
Yeah, they're not going to be there for that.
I mean, who does that?
The big Sam.
Who does that?
Yeah, it's like, are you kidding me?
So we're not trying to help him win.
We're not really trying to help him lose, but we're not, you know, it's neither fish nor fowl.
And at this point, there's no doubt, and I'm not pro-Russian.
I mean, everybody thinks because I'm so blunt on this, you must be a, it's like, Putin is a thug.
Putin is a man who has murdered reporters in elevators in Moscow.
Trust me, the guy is a thug.
But he's functioning and functioning effectively within the culture he lives.
The Russians love it.
He's got high approval notes.
He brought the Russian economy back.
He's seen as winning right now.
This Bakhmut thing, it's a cauldron.
He's eroding the Ukrainian military with relatively low.
I mean, he's suffering casualties, but his casualties are a lot less than the Ukrainians.
So the answer is, unless NATO comes in with ground troops, armor, and all the things that NATO comes in, Ukraine is toast.
And I hate to be that blunt about it, but it is.
You're speaking the truth.
I mean, you just have to look at this in a truthful way, in a factual way.
Truth is unpopular, but it's popular on our show and our network.
Oh, good.
Awesome.
Well, Tony Schaefer, T-Spooky, thanks so much for joining us.
Tell everybody again where they can follow you.
And it will also be on the Lower Thirds.
Right.
So I actually, I run two organizations, the London Center for Policy Research, LondonCenter.org, and Project Sentinel, which is a new tank tank we're putting together that's going to be focused on constitutional governance.
And imagine this, actually demanding Congress do its job when it gets...
Sending all this hardware overseas to create war.
I mean, only Congress can authorize war.
Somehow they never actually do their job.
But we're trying to do Project Sentinel to return the concepts of good governance to the United States Republic.
So those two organizations.
And it's ProjectSentinel.net.
So you can find us there.
And always great joining you.
Thanks for having me.
Yeah, thanks so much.
All right, we'll be right back.
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Well, this week we've been hearing from transgenders or former transgenders who went through full sex change operations and later regretted it and detransitioned.
We're talking about the very abusive, disgusting, satanic transgender agenda because it really is an agenda to corrupt and steal and mutilate your children.
So here joining us today, I'm honored to have Ms.
Chloe Cole join us.
She's been on Tucker Carlson and made the media rounds, and she also has a heartbreaking story to tell that's tragic, but she's lived to tell about it and has a major warning for other children and parents who might be faced with the same things.
Over the past decade, there has been as high as a 4,000% increase in children being referred to so-called gender clinics across the United States.
I was one of these children.
My name is Chloe Cole, and I am an 18-year-old former transgender child.
So, Chloe Cole, welcome to Shots Fired.
How are you?
I'm good.
How are you?
I'm good, thank you.
You know, I'm just...
People really need to dig into this agenda because so many people think, well, it's just happenstance and coincidence that people and kids are turning into transgender or identifying themselves as anything other than cis or straight.
But it really is an agenda that's being pushed through the schools, through curriculum and so forth and the media.
But I want to know from you, when and why or how did you start thinking that you were the opposite sex?
You were a biological girl, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, and I've always kind of been on the tomboyish side.
So was I. Yeah, I found it difficult, even now, to fit in with other girls and women.
I had some body image issues, too.
You know, I started puberty pretty young, at around the age of eight or nine, and I became really conscious of my body, and I had some body image issues and often felt like I looked more like a boy, that I would be better off as a boy even than I would ever be a girl.
But I never actually thought I was a boy until I was roughly around the age of 12 when I started experiencing gender dysphoria.
I got the idea from social media, actually.
It was never...
That was the next question.
Yeah.
How did that concept even come into fruition into your mind to begin with?
Something or someone or a series of things probably had to put it there to begin with, right?
Yeah.
In all my years of public school, I was never introduced to this in class.
I mean, I graduated just last year and it's kind of crazy because considering I live in the middle of California, you would think it would.
I'm surprised.
Yeah.
I thought they were really pushing this up, especially in California, or at least I know a lot of schools are.
Yeah, it's starting to change where I'm at, but for me it was all social media.
I didn't know anybody in real life by that point who was transgender, but social media was what really introduced me to this.
This idea that I It doesn't have to be a girl.
Yeah.
I mean, after years of hearing about all the negative things that come with being a woman, how painful things like periods and pregnancy and childbirth and so on are...
I just...
I couldn't really imagine myself growing up into a woman, you know?
But...
At the same time, I started, uh...
I made my first social media accounts when I was about 11 years old.
And I saw a lot of stuff that, um...
Worsened my body image by a lot and made me feel like even less of a woman.
And at the same time, I was also...
I saw a lot of content that was centered on the topic of LGBT, and especially stuff posted by other girls around my age, if not a little bit older, who were posting about transitioning and their experiences.
And I really felt like I... Related to these girls.
Yeah.
Was it very alluring kind of going down that rabbit hole?
You're like, this feels like I could fit in better if I just only reflected on the outside how I might feel more on the inside that the correct gender, I could fit in more socially, I would feel more confident about myself.
Like, it seems like it to a confused teenager, this would be an alluring pathway down social media in many ways.
Oh, yeah, totally.
I, I mean...
At first it was mostly curiosity that drew me in.
And it does kind of have that appeal to kids in that there's all these new words and phrases.
Gender.
This little culture almost, and all these colorful flags.
It does sound kind of, I guess you'd say, Conspiratorial, maybe?
Kind of hypnotic.
Like hypnotizing, you know?
And there's, like, different pronouns.
It's almost like a fun way to play dress-up or cosplay, in a way.
Except you're actually living that way.
Living.
Yeah.
And fantasy.
Fantasy.
So you got kind of caught up in it.
First started with curiosity.
Then you thought, maybe this is something I can actually make a reality.
Right.
And, I mean, it does have that appeal to kids, especially to kids who have been abused or don't really have much of a community or a sense of family around them.
And I came from a fairly healthy household, but...
I was the youngest of five kids.
I've got five older siblings, and there's kind of a considerable age difference between me and the rest of them.
And some of them were never really in the picture growing up, just because they're all also half-siblings.
But at school, even, I was...
Kind of a lonely kid.
I mean, throughout my school years, I often struggled socially or with my grades, and I believe that I'm actually on the spectrum, but I was diagnosed previously with ADHD and Disruptive Behavior Disorder as a kid.
Okay.
It's interesting because, sorry, I just interviewed someone yesterday, Billboard Chris, he goes by, and he said that at least more than 50% of those who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria also have autism, either mild to severe autism, over 50%.
That's a lot.
That's just an interesting piece of information.
Yeah, it makes sense.
I think the appeal of this to me, part of it was like I have a tendency to hyperfixate on things, and that made puberty a little bit more difficult.
I fixated on these parts of my body, like my shoulders, my smaller breasts, and my hips that weren't quite developed at this point in time, and I would often compare myself to the girls I would see in the media, on social media, even my friends and older family members, and I felt like I could never match up.
I hated myself.
I never thought that I would ever make a good girl a good woman.
Wow.
That's interesting.
That's just so heartbreaking because you're not even a woman yet.
You haven't even advanced through puberty yet to develop those features fully.
So at what age then, when did you start thinking or...
Going down the road of hormone therapy, puberty blockers and things like that.
Yeah, so after I came out to my parents, they weren't exactly sure what to do with me.
So you said to your parents, I'm going to be a boy or I feel like I'm okay?
Yeah, I wrote a letter to them.
I didn't want to start that conversation face to face because it was really intimidating to me.
I wasn't super close to them at the time, but I knew I would have to I would have to build up my relationship with them and keep them involved in this if I wanted to go through with this, and I knew it was going to be difficult for them to hear.
Yeah.
I wanted to just give them a little bit of time to think on their response, and they were okay with me changing the way I dressed, and they went along with my name change, but they didn't want me to make any permanent decisions around my health and my body until I was at the very least 18 years old.
As any good parent should, but...
I would hope so, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, they opposed me going medical route at first, but I kept pushing them, and they grew more and more concerned, and so they had an appointment with some of the members of the team that helped me transition,
and they weren't given any option other than to allow me transition because they said that kids already know their gender identity from a very young age, and if it would cause me significant distress, If I were not affirmed, if I weren't allowed in transition as I needed to.
Wow.
And that it was likely that I would commit suicide otherwise.
Wow, that's severe emotional blackmail right there.
Wow.
Right, right.
It's abuse tactics employed by doctors.
So they didn't go the route of putting you into severe soul-searching therapy to look at your issues and uncover some hidden potential sources of your distress or confusion or anything like that?
That wasn't the first route they took?
They just were like, no, we're ready to affirm you and medically transition you?
That's insane.
Like, well, what's your preferred name and what do you want us to refer to you as?
And during the process, the diagnosis for dysphoria, I mean, obviously it wasn't comprehensive enough because I've gotten to the point that I have now, but I don't necessarily think I was misdiagnosed.
I still I still experience gender dysphoria, but it's helped to just live with the reality of things and not to lie to myself.
I mean, transitioning, the treatments did initially alleviate my dysphoria, but I would attribute that mostly to the honeymoon period that came with all of them.
And also just the effects of testosterone.
Sorry to interrupt.
So you took hormones to start changing your voice, to start growing facial hair, or things like that, as well as puberty blockers?
Yeah, so I was pretty much fast-tracked into the process.
I was the one who was pushing for these treatments, because I thought it was the only way forward.
Yeah.
The research that I did was...
That was the idea that I had.
That was the solution?
Yeah.
And that was what the doctor said.
Just halfway through my 8th grade year, I was put on blockers and testosterone.
8th grade?
Yeah.
8th grade.
Wow.
I was such a little kid.
Little child.
And so did you start growing facial hair?
Your voice started deepening?
The very first effect, well, the blockers, I was on them for about a month before starting the hormones, and it sucked.
I had already been having a period for about a year by this point, but because of that, it pretty much put me into a state of menopause, and I started having some of the side effects, some of the effects that come with menopause, like full-body itching and hot flashes.
But because it also...
It disrupted the production of my sax hormones.
It completely threw off my cycle, which by that point in time, because I was so young, it wasn't even regulated yet.
You'll hear trans activists who push for blockers in children say that it just allows for a sort of stasis for kids to just wait and decide which puberty they want to go through.
And that's obviously not true.
You can't stop puberty.
But on top of that, in girls who are post-menarch, It will cause a period.
It will force a period.
And that's especially humiliating and traumatizing for a girl who is trying to present herself as a male and already has distress around her body.
Yeah, wow.
And for me, this happened in the middle of a class assembly.
And obviously, I would never want that to happen again.
So I went on testosterone about a month later.
And the first effect, the very first effect, which I finally had my energy back, the blockers made me very lethargic, and it also, it caused a pretty high spike in my sex drive.
And then the first physical effect, the voice changes, my voice started, I'd say within like two weeks.
Wow.
It was very dramatic.
Very dramatic.
It's kind of scary.
Yeah, and then my fat started redistributing to a more masculine pattern.
I started developing more muscle, and I wasn't really doing much.
I was just doing PE at school.
And my shoulders started broadening, and my My face even started to change and my hair and eyebrows started to get thicker and I started growing very thin facial hair.
But it started to thicken over the years and I actually ended up having to get electrolysis for facial hair removal.
And at the time I wasn't out to my classmates.
And I was just kind of silently transitioning, but this was what really outed me to my peers.
I was happy with these changes initially for a few years, but a few months after I started on the process of medicalization, I had an incident with a classmate who had kind of been bullying me over the course of the school year.
There was one particular person who had been faking on me throughout the school year, And one day, he went too far and just, he came up to me in the classroom.
It was a classroom full of people, but nobody seemed to notice.
He placed his hand on my chest, and he squeezed it.
And he looked me in the eyes as he did it.
It felt like nobody in that moment cared about me.
Yeah.
And that, if I were to ever have this part of me visible, if anybody ever knew that I was female, Then I would just be vulnerable.
I didn't want to be.
I wanted to be safe.
I wanted to save myself from being treated like this again.
And so that was when I started to bind my chest using a...
Chest binder?
Yeah, that was when I... About a week afterward was when I got my first chest binder.
Before that, I mean, I wore baggy shirts and stuff.
But eventually I did want to start binding.
I just didn't really care for it until that happened.
I would say that was a big part of what led to me eventually getting the surgery.
So then you started looking towards getting the mastectomy, which are the breast removals, and that's kind of a lot of money.
I mean, did your parents decide to pay for that?
No, so the thing is, I live in California, and by state law, Insurance companies are required to cover this.
Wow.
That's crazy.
For children.
I mean, you're still a child if you're under 18.
Right.
Technically.
Okay, so you were able to get it paid for by insurance.
Mm-hmm.
And what age did you actually end up getting it?
I was 15.
It was the summer after my sophomore year of high school.
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How did your parents feel about you chopping off your natural breasts?
I mean, they were sold into it.
By that point?
When they were told, like, I was going to kill myself if I wasn't allowed to do this, they were bought into it.
I feel like it didn't help that very quickly I started to actually look like their son.
Like, my voice was very deep.
I hardly even looked like a girl my age.
Hmm.
They were not forcing me by any means.
They didn't want me to do this.
I could tell now that they were scared of this.
They were very scared of this being a failure.
So you decided to go all the way.
You got your double mastectomy, which is, again, the removal of your two breasts.
And initially, did it make you feel better and more confident as a presentable man?
Oh, yeah.
Very happy.
I mean, I got sick of wearing binders over the years.
I had to...
I would wear them whenever I would go out of the house or whenever I was out with friends or we had guests over or whenever I was, like, working out or going on runs, walking home from school or swimming.
And I live in a pretty hot area.
Like, it gets to...
I mean, sometimes we have heat waves of up to, like, 115 to 120 degrees.
Oh, wow.
So it really did suck.
And I also, like, I thought of myself as just like any other boy.
Yeah.
I wanted the way I looked to reflect that.
And I wanted to be able to take my shirt off and also not to wear this uncomfortable thing that was on me at all times.
Right.
So, what was your name, your boy name?
Leo.
Leo, okay.
Cool name.
So, then at what point did you start thinking that this was a mistake?
What point did you start regretting this?
I mean, it did take a while.
But the post-op period was really difficult.
I mean, just having to take care of these big scars across my chest, and on top of that, they also use skin grafts as part of the incision, and I had to take care of those, and...
That was really terrifying.
And I'm still dealing with ongoing complications from the skin grafts.
The scars are fine, but I don't know what's happening to this area of my body.
But...
Area of my body and killing...
Like, the pain of, like, the nerves growing back and having to take care of the dressings and just look down at these, I mean, what essentially looks like a battlefield on what was really rough.
And on top of that, this is when I was starting to realize, like, the social role of a male is really tough, and there were a lot of expectations and things I experienced that I didn't really expect.
And I started to become really lonely.
Like, I felt like I didn't really have a place to talk about.
To my personal hardships and my feelings as much as I did while I was female.
And I wasn't as close with my friends or family.
And there were a lot of things I just couldn't do.
And I also miss the fun of preserving myself feminily and doing more hair and things like wearing skirts and makeup.
And I would do this in private, like in my room when nobody saw me.
Because by this point in time, I, again, I didn't even look like a girl anymore.
I didn't sound like one, and everybody knew me as a guy.
So I had a lot of shame around this, but I would wear like...
Sometimes I would get like drugstore makeup or I'd wear some of my old girl clothing.
And I just kept feeling worse and worse about this until towards the end of my junior year when I was taking a class in psychology.
And I... The end of the unit was focused on like children and teens and parenting.
And it was the first time that I was really thinking, like, well...
I'm almost an adult.
And this is something that I'm gonna have to start thinking about soon.
And I never really thought about it in depth before.
I mean, I was told...
During my appointments for the for the hormones that It might affect my fertility But at the time I was thinking like Why would I want kids?
I'm I was 13 years old.
You're not thinking about babies are breastfeeding really at that age.
You're just not you know Right, you're thinking about making friends and schoolwork.
You can't possibly be old enough, mature enough to know the ramifications.
10 to 20 years down the line that, oh, I might be infertile or I might not be able to have a baby or breastfeed or anything.
And that's why it's just so criminal to push this to children, I think.
Right.
So you started learning, you started maybe like thinking then finally about children and in the future and breastfeeding.
Yeah.
And I, it made me upset that, well, I might not be able to have kids naturally, but I was like learning about like things like attachment and the bond between the mother and child.
Mm hmm.
And, uh, and the importance of things like physical affection and breastfeeding.
And I would never, I would never, I'll never know what it's like to breastfeed a child, to feed a child with the way that I was made to.
Yeah.
And that hurts.
That's something that, uh, That's one thing that...
I mean, I've been detransitioning for several years by this point, and it hurts just as much as it did when I first realized that.
Yeah.
Wow.
So that was kind of a turning point for you?
Right.
Yeah.
Just a few weeks after was when I decided, I can't even take this anymore.
I can't keep taking this medication.
I can't keep lying to myself.
I don't know what I'm going to do with myself, but this is going to stop.
Yeah.
Because at the end of the day, they say when you do these transitions medically and socially, then you literally are a man.
But it's like, are you really?
I mean, or do you still feel like kind of a fraud or in a way like you're living a lie?
You're not after all these transitional actions.
Don't you still deep down not really feel like a man?
Or didn't you at that point?
Oh yeah, the further I went into it, the more I realized, the more I felt like a fraud.
I mean, initially, as I started to fit in more with the boys and just be seen as one of them, it felt awesome.
I felt like I was part of a team.
And then...
The longer I went on, the more I realized, like, there's these little nuances that are kind of hard to keep up with.
Yeah.
On top of that, there was that stress of the fear of being found out.
I used, like, mail-rushing facilities, and...
It was really intimidating at first, because I'm a small person.
I'm about 5'3", 5'4", and at my heaviest weight, I think I was no more than 130 pounds, maybe, when I had all the muscle from testosterone.
But I knew if somebody found out that I was biologically female, and they wanted to do something to me, I wouldn't be able to fight back.
True.
Not very well, anyways, but...
Sorry, how old are you?
I'm 18.
I'm 18.
You're 18 years old.
Jesus, so young.
18 years old.
Lived through a couple different lifetimes, in a way.
But how does it feel now?
Now, it's almost like the reverse, right?
You're wearing women's clothes, you know, you're in your feminine.
But are there certain things that you've done that are irreversible or hard to reverse?
Like...
The voice has gotten deeper, obviously, and some of the other things.
I mean, are there things that you regret doing or that are probably going to have lasting effects?
Pretty much every step of the transition, yeah.
Even socially transitioning has affected my socialization, you could say.
I feel like I'm still trying to catch up with my peers, and especially my female peers.
And...
There's a lot of important socialization...
That goes on, especially in the...
In the early to late teen years...
That I just...
I missed out on because of this.
And...
Part of that was...
That I didn't really like...
I didn't get to experience...
Things like...
Like dating.
Because I... I mean, I looked like a guy.
I sounded like a guy.
But I was still attracted to males.
And as you can see, that did present a problem.
Most of my friends were straight and some of them were lesbians.
And it was a bit easier for them to find partners.
But I was just...
I had nobody.
And the few people who were interested in me and were male, it felt like it was of a very fetishistic nature.
Like I was more of like a...
Like a, almost like a sex object to them than a human being.
So are you, so you are suing, you have a lawsuit going on, right?
Who are you suing?
So I'm suing the entirety of Kaiser Permanente.
And then...
That's awesome.
That's badass.
The hospital where I underwent surgery.
And then the endocrinologist who put me on hormones.
The gender specialist who referred me as surgery.
And then the surgeon.
Amazing.
So you're suing them.
What are the grounds that you're suing them for?
What's the lawsuit about?
Medical malpractice.
Medical malpractice.
And I mean, it's like, how can they live with themselves, especially for touting this as the only solution or else you're going to kill yourself or else you're going to be severely depressed or not fit in?
It's it's just criminal.
It's there's no other word to describe it.
It's it's criminal.
It is medical malpractice and people need to be held accountable.
People need to start Hanging and getting locked up behind bars for this.
And if this lawsuit actually wins, which I believe you have a really strong case here, then, you know, we can start setting a precedent.
And until people are held accountable, they're going to keep doing this to kids.
Yeah, that's actually my biggest motivation in suing.
It's not like I hold any resentment towards these people.
It's that they need to be held accountable for their actions and Doctors need to be scared of doing this to kids, and I also want to create a precedent for other people, other kids especially, who've been harmed by this, to get justice.
Right.
They've robbed your ability to breastfeed a child.
I mean, that in and of itself is criminal.
I mean, that's something that you'll have with you, and you don't get to have that, and they never fully explain that to you.
Or if they did, you were too young enough to know, right?
They did, and I was too young.
I had a follow-up appointment two years afterward with my surgeon last year, and his justification was, Well, you were cleared by the general specialists and therapists, so I thought it was okay.
But really, I can't imagine operating on a teen girl's breasts and removing them while they're perfectly healthy.
Yeah.
It's perfectly healthy, God-given breath.
And you won't have that experience.
And it's just, it's robbery.
So what is your message to parents and to kids and teens who might be thinking about going down this rabbit hole of transgenderism?
I mean, for parents, it's really important to hold boundaries and to keep telling your kid the truth and not to lie to them, while also showing them compassion that you do understand how they feel, or at the fair least, you're trying your best to, but you know that this is not the best course of action while they are so young.
And it's also important to keep your kid...
A lot of these kids who have gender dysphoria are spending too much time on the internet and on social media, and they're not really...
They aren't really active in their community or at school for a multitude of reasons.
And it's often because they feel like they're outcasts, like they don't really belong anywhere, and that's...
The internet is where they turn.
But it's important to make sure that they're interacting with other people, especially their age.
And in a safe, monitored environment.
And I think it's important that these kids are put in programs like school clubs, sports especially, because I think sports are really important for developing kids, because you not only get that sense of teamwork and confidence in working towards a goal, but you also work on your body.
And it's not...
You're not necessarily focusing on the appearance of your body, which is...
A lot of these kids do have issues with their body image.
But you're...
It's more of a matter of what your body can do and your physical capabilities.
I mean, if I were to speak to my younger self, I would obviously tell her not to do it at all, which isn't very strong, but...
There are some things that kids just aren't allowed to do.
You can't buy alcohol, you can't buy tobacco or nicotine products or marijuana, you can't drive a car, can't run a car, and you can't get a tattoo or piercing without your parents signing off on it.
But it's just, making the decision to transition requires a good amount of knowledge and experience in the world, and no kid is equipped to make...
I really do believe that.
It is strictly an adult decision.
And oftentimes, these kids have some other underlying issues that aren't really addressed And it's important to really introspect, to figure out where these feelings are coming from, and why they feel like they need to become the opposite sex.
And where those ideas are coming from.
And it's really best for any...
Anybody with a developing mind to stay off of the internet, stay off of social media and technology in general, because...
I mean, it's really just a waste of time.
A lot of time.
I suck you.
Yeah, in this day and age, it's hard to get connected with your peers without it.
But if somebody is really your friend, they'll talk to you in person.
They'll be with you in person.
And you'll have more time to focus on things that really matter.
Amen.
So are you all in all, are you happier now?
Are you starting to come into your own as a young, beautiful woman now?
Because you are truly beautiful.
I mean, your features are gorgeous.
You're beautiful.
You're a great petite size.
You are beautiful.
Are you starting to feel a little bit more confident as a young woman now?
Yeah.
I mean, it's still very difficult.
I feel like I've been robbed of a lot, and just looking at how the parts of my body that weren't allowed to develop, like my breasts, my hips, and the overall shape, It sometimes feels...
I wouldn't go as far to say as I feel like I've been, like, neutered, but I feel, in a lot of ways, like I've been desexed.
And, like, I've had this big part of adulthood taken away from me, but...
Living in reality and just coming to terms with what I have has really greatly helped me more and more than transitioning has.
And I mean, that's permanent.
Everything that I have is permanent.
And it's important that I just live with what I have and I don't run away from the truth like I was.
Because when I did that, it only gave me temporary happiness.
And frankly, I mean, I think it's fun to be a woman.
It is so much more fun to be a woman.
I think.
There's so many more social expectations for men, I think, and financial expectations, career expectations, and then not only that, but they don't get to wear all sorts of fun hairstyles and clothes and everything that we do, like makeup.
Right.
It's just fun.
It's fun to be a woman.
And you're just getting started.
You know, you're 18 years old.
You have your full life ahead of you to be an amazing woman, a beautiful woman.
And you already are at such a young age.
I mean, I just feel like in a couple years time, you're going to look back on this and so happy that you made this decision to embrace yourself as a woman.
I think you're going to be really, really happy and confident.
I already am.
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