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Jan. 20, 2023 - Stew Peters Show
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Maria Zeee Uncensored: Dr. Heather Gessling - Big Pharma MASS Exodus & Parallel Health System
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Heather Gessling truly makes a lot of sense.
She's from the Wellness Company and let me tell you, this woman is like a breath of fresh air.
She analyzes the fact that her colleagues are brainwashed, why they're brainwashed.
She talks about the needs for patients, the need for patients to stop depending on pharmaceutical products and get better on their own.
Now that's not to say that there are certain medications that aren't life-saving and that every single thing that's come out of Big Pharma is terrible, but for the most part, especially over the past two, three years, more and more people are realizing that they cannot trust Big Pharma.
And good riddance!
Dr.
Heather Gessling says that the direction that we are heading in is very alarming, particularly with what the WHO wants to do and the way the big pharma are colluding with them, laws that are coming in to silence doctors all around the world.
It's shocking, but this is why she wholeheartedly believes in a parallel health system, and I've been saying this for some time, the way that we restore our society is with parallel economies, parallel health systems, parallel food systems, as a community, as it should be, as it was once.
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We're joined today by Dr.
Heather Gessling who is a board certified in family medicine through the American Board of Family Medicine.
She was Chief of Staff at a hospital in Missouri for six years until the summer of 2021 when she opened up an independent practice and she's been speaking out during the past three years about the failure of the pharmaceutical industry, the failure of a lot of health practitioners and we're just so excited to speak with her today.
Dr.
Gessling, welcome.
Thank you, Maria.
Glad to be here.
It is wonderful to have you.
So, let's start with a little bit of history about your experience and how you woke up to this COVID madness that we are still seeing to date.
Yeah, it's incredible it's gone on this long, huh?
So the major awakening that I had happened really quickly once COVID started.
I would say it was March, April, once I figured out how hydroxychloroquine worked and that it required zinc and that lots of the patients that were doing the worst were those that had nutrient deficiencies.
Am I frozen?
Did I freeze?
Okay, I thought I froze.
So those that had nutrient deficiencies were doing the worst.
It was really obvious to me that COVID was treatable and I, you know, only had a short few weeks or maybe, you know, six weeks of kind of being worried for myself and my family and my patients, but it quickly went away.
And then, you know, started being able to Figure out who to watch, who to connect with, who to learn from because I wasn't getting it from my, you know, local peers.
I wasn't getting it from mainstream media.
So, you know, a shift in sort of what my focus was on and learn how to treat COVID, take care of my patients and feel empowered and empower my patients as well.
I'm really interested in this interaction with your colleagues because I've spoken to many doctors who, you know, sort of realized what was really happening, tried to speak to their colleagues.
And here in Australia was a unique situation because they threatened their licenses.
If you dare say anything about alternate therapeutics, you know, things like ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine were banned here.
Even patients that needed it, for example, hydroxychloroquine.
I know someone personally that needed it for their survival because it was countering another condition.
It was banned.
And so it's just unbelievable.
And doctors weren't allowed to say a word.
They were arrested.
They were raided.
One spent time in solitary confinement.
It was just unbelievable, Dr.
Gessling.
But what was your experience with your colleagues when you would try?
What sort of things would you try to say to them and what was their response?
Yeah, so all the things you're mentioning, you know, it's not the first time in history this has happened.
You know, physicians speaking truth.
You know, this has happened over the last 100, 200 years.
We used to have physicians that used more naturalistic approaches or, you know, less pharmaceutical approaches.
And the same thing happened to them in America in the early 20th century, that they were ostracized.
They had their licenses revoked.
I think we're even prosecuted for it.
And so this is just history repeating itself.
If I can pause you there, this is the second doctor I've spoken to this week that's brought up that moment in history in the United States.
I just find it fascinating.
Do go on.
It is fascinating.
And when we start waking up and learning about these things, it's mind-blowing.
You know, you just can't believe that all of this history was sort of just hidden and removed and nobody ever talks about it.
Positions didn't know.
Most positions still don't know about that, right?
Just the positions who have dug deep.
And so with regard to my colleagues and my peers, whenever I would try and talk about all I was doing to save my patients and treat my patients whenever I was in meetings or even leading the meetings as the chief of staff, I would be talking to my peers and they would seriously Just stare.
They would just stare.
They wouldn't ask questions.
They would just, you know, basically dismiss me.
Like they were so, so brainwashed that they couldn't even think to ask more questions.
They couldn't even think to dig deeper.
And it was astounding.
And it was like I was sort of like this, you know, put off the side as like I had become this weirdo.
You're the quack.
Yeah, exactly.
They've become this quack that, you know, wasn't following the mainstream and, you know, something must be wrong with me.
I used to be normal and now I'm not.
But that's what happened.
So what do you think it is, Dr.
Gessling?
What is it about you and people that have realized, physicians that have realized, compared to those that haven't?
What's the key here?
That's a good question.
I haven't quite figured it out.
But I think it's, you know, I do have some thoughts, though.
I think it has to do with narcissism or arrogance, that you've got it all figured out, you know, sort of pride or lack of humbleness.
And in my opinion, I always seek To learn and learn and learn.
Never pretend that I'm perfect.
And I even learn from my patients.
You know, a lot of things that have happened over the three years, these past three years, a lot of my education has come from my patients themselves.
Either learning how they respond to treatments or Them teaching me things that they've learned and then I go and dig deeper.
But I think it has to do with the fact that physicians need to be more humble and being willing to think outside the box or not, even if their treatment is not considered mainstream, they need to be willing to Put the patient first, not their reputation or what everybody else is saying they must do.
They need to be thinking about the patient.
They need to think about the science that they've learned.
They need to think about how medicine works or how certain treatments would work and would this potentially work for this patient.
This has happened in the last three years, but what's going to happen in the next few years?
And what are they going to do to us again?
What are they going to put out at us in the future?
We have to be willing to think outside the box, and we have to be willing to be doing medicine on the ground level, not this top-down where we just get told what we're allowed to use or what standards we must follow to treat patients.
I absolutely agree with you.
I think that, you know, a lot of people trust in the world system, and it's very difficult for them to imagine that the world system was operating in a way that's intentionally causing harm.
It is, but it's...
You know, especially doctors.
You know, I recall on a personal level, someone that I know that really was aware of the agenda, went to medical school, came out and told me I was nuts.
You know, there's this shift of, I guess, this brainwashing that happens in medical school.
And, you know, only a few can sort of retain their critical thinking, perhaps.
I don't know.
I'm just throwing theories out there.
Yeah.
I mean, I had a medical student that was with me last year.
He was a first year medical student and it was like, oh, I was heartbroken for him because I knew he had three more years of propaganda in front of him.
And I, you know, I tried to prepare him.
I'm like, just be aware.
They only teach you pharmaceuticals.
They don't teach you nutrition and they don't teach you more naturalistic ways of doing things.
They don't teach you lifestyle and good decision making with regard to what you're eating and what hours of day you're eating it and all of these things.
They don't teach you any of those things.
And so, whenever he left, I said, you know, don't forget.
Don't forget all the things that I've taught you.
And I hoped that just that, you know, that few weeks that I was with him could make a difference.
But like you said, they come out of medical school and they've just been brainwashed.
Well, I suppose, you know, what they're learning is quite prestigious and the best of the best knowledge that we have right now and all of the above.
But that's according to the system that is in place.
It doesn't consider things outside of that.
And it's by design, Dr.
Gessling, that it's that way.
And unfortunately, what we have now is so many practitioners that are just drones.
And for some time we've been talking about a parallel health system that needs to be created.
We will get into that with the Wellness Company later on.
I just spoke with Dr.
Peter McCullough, for those that haven't seen that, the interview's up on zmedia.com, you know, about some of these issues.
So I want to talk with you about the injections.
I want to talk with you about some of the things that we're seeing around the world right now.
I mean, we've got athletes, perfect, the healthiest people, elite athletes dropping dead.
Or having heart attacks mid-sport.
Where do you want to start with this Dr.
Gasling?
Well, I mean, it's an extraordinary number.
And just in the last year, the numbers, hundreds and hundreds of these athletes have died.
I honestly considered that it would probably have been more, but I don't know what our future holds.
But it's been an extraordinary number as it is, 1,500 or approximately that number just in the last year or two.
And so it's so evident.
It's not coincidence.
This is not normal.
These numbers are not normal.
These events are not normal.
I mean, when it happened to the NFL player the other day, it's like the world stopped and everybody was just, you know, so focused on him.
And I hope that it did some good to potentially wake people up, regardless of, you know, what We just need to be thinking about the fact that a lot of these events are so much higher in numbers since the vaccine has come out.
I mean, it just seems obvious.
If you're awake though, right?
I mean, if you're not, I guess you could explain away everything.
I don't know.
I'm curious, your colleagues, the ones who aren't aware of what's going on, how are they explaining away these events?
Because I've heard explanations like, oh, well, people didn't go and get their heart checked all that much during lockdown, so that's why now they've got all these heart problems.
Yeah, they're saying the same thing about cancer.
You know, people didn't go and get their screenings.
I mean, that may have some role, but good lord, there's such a dramatic increase in cancers and the cancers that are in existence are like these turbo cancers and growing at rates that we've never seen before, that were rarely seen before.
And so, with regard to my colleagues, honestly, since I started my direct primary care clinic, I don't hardly talk to colleagues that are outside of the mainstream, or excuse me, that are in the mainstream.
I really only have interactions with those that are outside of the mainstream and awake, you know, through our email chains or our signal groups or our, you know, friend groups.
Those are the ones that I have interactions with and trust.
Those that are in the mainstream world, either consultants that I have to Unfortunately, since some patients too, I rarely send patients to specialists.
But if I do, you know, I can tell that their attitude towards me is tempered.
And I've even reached out to some specialists with information, you know, links to articles, and they don't respond.
It's really sad.
Unbelievable.
I mean, you would think that out of all people, I can understand people on the ground that just say, well, I'm no medical expert.
I... I don't want to, you know, I don't want to read that.
But to think that doctors, these are people that have gone to study medicine, would refuse information is just astounding to me.
And they're just, the evidence of brainwashing.
So before I started my own primary care clinic, I was in a space that had a lot of I don't know if it's a particular kind of specialist, I won't name the name of the specialist, but these specialists were taking care of patients that had had strokes and neurologic events, I guess that gives the type of specialist, but they were not They just couldn't see it.
They couldn't see that the dramatic increases in strokes and transverse myelitis and neurologic events was happening left and right.
They just couldn't see it.
And I had talked to them about it.
I'm like, don't you see?
Can't you see that it's happening since all of these vaccines?
And they were adamantly denying it.
They adamantly denied it.
So it's astounding.
And I would hope that that was in 2020.
That was in 2021.
So hopefully, you know, there's been some sort of awakening, but I don't know.
You know, I was asked at one point at the beginning of last year for a documentary, what did I think it was going to take for more to wake up, especially even in the medical community?
And I said it then, and I still feel it.
And I heard somebody say it again the other day that, you know, was along the same lines.
I think that it takes...
Personal experiences to wake people up.
I think it takes close personal experiences for them to wake up, even the physicians.
I don't think, unless it happens to somebody close to them, that they don't seem to wake up.
You would think that somebody would be waking up in droves by this time, but they're not.
Even sometimes when it does happen to someone close to them, they still don't.
It takes time.
For them to accept that it could be that.
And again, I really do think it's that acceptance of they've done something to me that's hurt me.
And then they don't want to help me because then there's the problem of treating adverse reactions because they're so varied and because the spike is so...
It's really ingenious, Dr.
Gessling, how fascinating maybe that the spike is targeting different people differently.
What's your insight in that?
Well, I mean, it does affect different people differently, and it has to do with sort of where it concentrates in the body and other mechanisms that have been discussed about why it targets the heart with regard to being able to kind of slip through the tight junctions.
And the fact is, there's just so much that we don't know.
I remember seeing patients, it was probably May of 2021, and I was, every day, patients were coming in, I was seeing, you know, just full clinic bays, and so many of them were having these Strange events and I was waking up and realizing, oh my gosh, so many of these things are from the vaccine.
It was like everything that I'd ever learned at that point, I felt like I had to just throw it out the window.
So all of my previous ways of thinking and diagnosing patients, it was like it was all gone.
Now that this vaccine was coming into play and patients were suffering from these spike protein, you know, spikeopathies, you know, it was a whole different world in my, you know, as far as my clinics go, in a whole different world with regard to treating patients and medicine.
And so we see such an array of problems.
It's neurologic, it's cardiac, it's respiratory, it's autoimmune.
It affects everything.
And I think that it's really, whenever I talk to patients, I have a lot of patients that are referred to me for vaccine injury through other patients.
I have the words out that I can help these patients and they come to me.
You know, we talk about it, and when I tell them, sort of explain to them what I think is happening, their eyes get big.
They're astounded because they cannot believe that they weren't told the truth about these things.
They can't believe that, you know, I tell them that the lipid nanoparticle crosses the blood-brain barrier, that we haven't had a vaccine that's ever crossed into our brain before, and here we have this one, and it was designed.
It was designed to go into every cell of our body.
You know, when you get sick with COVID, That virus, or some people want to debate that, but that agent will In fact, the respiratory epithelium, sinuses, nasal mucosa, oral mucosa, respiratory epithelium, and it's dependent on that ACE receptor.
However, when you take that vaccine, it's encapsulated by the lipid nanoparticle, which is designed to not only just be here, it's designed to go into every cell of your body.
To slip through that cell membrane with the lipid nanoparticle layer, or the lipid bilayer.
And so, whenever I tell them this vaccine is designed to go into every cell, it's designed to go into your brain, it's sort of designed to hijack your cell and make this very pathologic protein, they're just astounded.
And I say, you know, why did our government Why did pharmaceutical companies make this vaccine to produce the most pathologic protein of the virus?
Why?
And I mean, I think I know why, but patients have trouble sort of grasping that concept.
But when they start thinking things through, they kind of wake up and they feel sick.
They feel sick about what they've done.
Yes, I don't blame them.
I mean, I can't imagine What that would be like for someone who's realising after the fact, it would be incredibly painful for that individual, all of the facets of, you know, realising that they've been harmed on purpose.
What are your thoughts on some of the contaminants that are being reported around the world, such as graphene oxide and things like that?
Yeah, I don't have a great insight on that because I've heard two conflicting, you know, sort of scientific analyses and friends with, you know, Dr.
Cole, and he tells, you know, that it's not there.
I have been told, I remember talking about the graphene oxide to another physician scientist, Dr.
Richard Fleming, back in the summer of 21, and he was saying, you know, it's quite possible that there's contaminants Whether intentional or unintentional, I just don't know.
I did have a patient come into my clinic in the summer of 2021 and he came into my clinic and he was freaking out.
He said, I need to see the doctor.
I need to see the doctor.
And we bring him back.
He didn't have an appointment.
He's like, this magnet is sticking to my arm.
What is going on?
And it really was.
Like, I moved it around and it wouldn't stick.
It was just sticking.
And he's like, this is where I got my vaccine, four days ago.
And he's like, I saw it on, you know, YouTube or whatever.
TikTok.
And he said, I tried it and it's sticking.
And it was.
I pulled in a lot of people from my clinic.
I said, look at this, guys.
And so I don't have all the answers.
But I know that that's kind of weird.
And I know that, you know, that it's quite possible that there's actual contaminants versus You know, intentional contamination.
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
Well, I respect the honesty of your answer.
It's appreciated.
I want to focus on how we need to change the medical system.
We're not going to...
We're very likely, unless we topple the existing pharmaceutical industry altogether, which, you know, people are working on, but there needs to be a parallel system operating on the side.
And I've been talking about this for some time.
It's very, very difficult to do this in Australia.
But I know that the wellness company has ambitions of coming to Australia.
So talk to us about the future of medicine, because people are losing trust in doctors, Dr.
Gessling.
Oh, they are.
People are waking up, I feel like, at a quicker rate than the medical profession themselves.
And so, you know, they don't want to see physicians.
They don't want to be in the system.
They don't want to step foot in a hospital.
They don't want to do any of the typical things that they would have just quickly agreed to years ago.
You know, they just want to be as minimal as possible, as least intervention as possible.
And the clinic that I started is a cash-pay, membership-based clinic.
And so it's kind of a parallel system.
I kind of see it as outside of the mainstream system.
Patients pay me cash monthly for a membership-based service where they can see me basically unlimited and they have access to me.
We also have developed lots of different techniques and ways to get labs paid for very cheaply cash pay.
And imaging very cheaply cash pay.
We're working on getting low-cost catastrophic insurance brought to our clinic.
And so all of these different things work to give patients options.
And the wellness company that I have helped build is A cash pay system as well.
We have telehealth services in almost every state of the country.
I think we might be short on somebody in Alaska right now.
But we have telehealth availability in every state.
And we can provide physician care for cash pay.
And we can also provide labs at a very, very low cost.
And if you even look at The fraud of the insurance system, if somebody has a high deductible and they go get labs, they may end up paying the same amount for those labs via their deductible that it would cost to see our physicians and get labs.
Patients have to sort of realize that if they're going to support that insurance system, Then it's probably not helpful to them.
The insurance system is probably detrimental to them as far as the cost.
If they can pull themselves out of the insurance system, the corporate system, they're going to probably find the same kind of care, excuse me, probably even much better care for a lower cost and they're not supporting those big behemoths.
I'm all for this.
I'm all for supporting anything but major chains.
I'm all for supporting anything but Big Pharma.
And I think that the fact that you and the wellness company have gone to the effort of building something, it's a giant, really.
That can actually...
With doctors that understand and can treat people and, you know, can talk freely.
People can talk.
I'm just bringing it up on the screen right now.
You know, the fact that it has dealing with an unexpected...
Dealing with unexpected symptoms from a vaccine on the homepage.
I mean, to get a vaccine exemption letter on the homepage.
I think, you know, that is so comforting for so many people, Dr.
Gessling, because they don't feel...
Let me tell you, I've told this story before.
I thought I broke a toe and I refused to go to the doctor because I didn't want to.
I hear you.
I didn't want to.
I don't trust them.
They may misdiagnose my broken toe, you know?
Yeah.
Right.
I hear you.
I mean, I'm pretty sure I broke my toe this summer and I didn't even want to go into the system.
I guess I could have just went and got an x-ray, you know, pretty easily.
But it was like, it's fine.
I'll be fine.
It did take like five months.
It just gets better.
The same thing.
I mean, this is what we're dealing with, what we're living with.
People have no interest.
They've lost all trust.
They have.
They have.
How do you see...
That the wellness company and the doctors that are part of the wellness company are going to help restore some of that trust?
Or do you think that that trust is forever broken and this is why people need to depend on something else?
Well, no, I don't think it's forever broken.
I think patients, if they know the physician is not, you know, sort of controlled by Big Pharma or controlled by Worried about their reputation or their job or what governmental agencies are dictating, then I think that they feel more comfortable.
However, I also think that patients need to be in general less reliant on the medical system.
I just think that they should become more independent.
I mean, I'm seeing examples of this in my own clinic.
I have patients that do need pharmaceuticals.
I have some patients that are on testosterone, and I've had trouble finding it in my area.
You know, several pharmacies are short, and they say there's a backorder.
You know, this is just one example.
When you're reliant on a medication, I tell my patients this all the time.
You know, we've got to do all we can to get you off these medications because we're seeing shortages of pharmaceuticals.
All the time.
You can't rely, you can't have you, you know, your dependency be on these pharmaceuticals.
You need to restore your health, do it with diet, proper diet, not necessarily a diet, but eating the right thing and eating, you know, intermittent fasting type hours of eating and more ketogenic or carnivore, low carb.
All of these things can be incredibly healing And get many, many, many patients off their meds.
And this is what we do at The Wellness Company, too, is we deprescribe.
We work on deprescribing.
We work on getting patients off pharmaceuticals.
We have a Freedom From Pharma program that's led by Dr.
Jen Vanderwater, PharmD.
We have a team of pharmacists that are sort of health and wellness coaches that are actually doing the opposite of what they were trained to do.
They're not giving patients prescriptions.
They are trying to get patients off of prescriptions through health and wellness changes.
Wellness coaching.
And we have physicians that are available to help these patients if they do qualify for deprescribing, for getting them off of pharmaceutical meds, which is very, very exciting.
I think, you know, sort of this shift of patients not being so worshipful of their medications.
You know, a lot of elderly people are sort of, this is their topic of conversation.
You know, I was starting on this new med.
How many medications are you on?
Oh, I'm on 8 or I'm on 10.
I feel like it's this new normal for people to just expect as they age to be on multiple, more and more medications.
And we should not.
We should keep ourselves healthy and not depend on medications.
Yes, absolutely.
Do you feel that most doctors in the mainstream have just become pharma pushers, drug pushers?
100%.
That's what we are trained to do.
That's what MDs, allopathically trained physicians were trained to do.
We were trained to treat every ill with a pill.
We were trained to treat every condition with some sort of pharmaceutical intervention.
And it's not necessary.
And we've been trained to do it the wrong way, honestly.
We've been trained to start patients on insulin or use insulin for diabetes or all of the sort of opposite that we should be doing.
We should be just...
Fixing what they're eating and ingesting.
Get rid of toxins.
Get rid of other pharmaceuticals that are creating the problem.
I mean, the patients that are on statins have higher risk of developing diabetes.
So we put them on a statin and then they develop another chronic illness.
It's sad and crazy.
What about getting to the root cause of illnesses?
What role does that play in actually getting better?
The root cause of illness.
Inflammation, obesity, you know, insulin resistance.
It's some of the most common reasons for the root cause of most illnesses.
Toxins, you know, creating autoimmune diseases.
And, I mean, I don't know how comfortable you are bringing it up, but I think that a lot of different vaccines are contributing to illnesses, not just the COVID vaccine.
I think that we don't know their long-term safety.
We don't know the long-term safety And short-term safety of adding them all together and adding all of that aluminum together and adding all those adjuvants together, that has not been steady.
And so, you know, we create, I do believe, illness, chronic illness.
In ourselves and in our children, chronic illness has skyrocketed in children.
Asthma, allergies, eczema, neurologic disorders and ADHD and mood disorders.
This is not normal.
And it's not necessarily just from injections and vaccines.
I mean, we have toxins everywhere now.
You have to be very diligent about eating clean and getting rid of additives and dyes.
All of those things are important.
Yeah, I'm actually completely comfortable with having discussions around other injections.
Particularly the correlation between autism and childhood injections.
You know, a lot of parents are put under such immense pressure by the hospitals or expectant parents by the hospitals to get this injection, that injection.
And many of them are incredibly harmful.
Maybe you can speak about that a little bit because I will say I was very, very pleased to hear Bill Gates saying recently that childhood vaccine rates have plummeted and he just doesn't know why.
Yeah, that's a good thing.
It's so great.
You know, I do believe I heard that the...
The occurrence of SIDS, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, actually went down when we were on lockdown, and babies weren't getting their vaccines.
And so, I don't know exactly the causality to that, but I think it's something to definitely look into.
That's the problem is, you know, I don't know if you saw, do you watch the highwire.com, and if you saw Aaron Seary doing the deposition of Dr.
Katherine Edwards.
Whoa!
It was so amazing!
We do not have the long-term evidence with regard to vaccines and autism.
They haven't done it.
They refuse to do comparative studies of those that have had the vaccines and those that don't.
And we have the database for it.
They just won't pull the data.
And so I absolutely do believe that Parents are pressured.
They are so pressured.
I mean, in my book, in the book that we wrote, The Next Wave is Brave, I talk about the experience of when my youngest child was born in 2016 and I was sort of becoming more awake.
I had that thought in my mind.
Maybe I should not give her the hepatitis B vaccine.
Maybe I need to deny that.
That's what they give at birth.
It's crazy.
It's crazy that they give that stinking vaccine at birth.
It is.
Why do we need to give that to a baby?
It's just been born.
They want their precious little new life if we give them a vaccine one day.
Oh gosh, it's gonna make me cry right now.
I didn't and I didn't have the guts back then.
I didn't.
All my children got their normal vaccines.
They'll never get another one, but they I didn't have the ability to say no.
And so if I was a physician and I, you know, feel You know, not necessarily scared of others, but I sort of was.
If I as a physician couldn't even say no, I can't imagine what the pressure that these parents are going through to say no.
So here's what I do.
You know, I talk with parents and I have, you know, moms that are pregnant and they come to me.
You know what we have to do?
We talk about tactics.
We talk about tactics of navigating the ridiculous healthcare system.
You know, what to say when they're asked if their baby wants a hepatitis B. You know, we say, I tell them, no, you say, you're going to put that off.
You're not going to do the one right now.
You'll do it later.
You know, all of these things in order to just Get the healthcare system off their back.
These parents are scared.
They're scared that they're going to be reported.
And for good reason, this has happened.
And I know it's happened in your country.
It's happening in our country where if these parents aren't following the mainstream, You know, directive of healthcare or what a physician says because they have so much authority.
They're scared that their children are going to get taken away.
It's tragic.
It's a tragedy.
Parents know best for their children.
And the healthcare system has become atrocious.
They've become overbearing, arrogant.
It's too bad.
Parents do know best for their children and if a parent was to make a mistake, in my opinion, it's almost better than handing your child over to a doctor that is just blindly following rules and them making the mistake for you.
I don't know.
That's how I see things.
That's how things were always done.
I have a few questions about that though.
I mean, obviously, There has to still be a place for Big Pharma in some ways.
There are people that depend on certain medications, like I said, to keep them alive.
But of course, your approach and the approach of the wellness company is getting people off Big Pharma meds, which is amazing.
But do we still have a place for Big Pharma at all?
And especially in the trajectory that we're heading?
That's a good question.
Type 1 diabetics require insulin and there are some definite genetic diseases that require medications.
Of course, we need that.
They do do research and that's one of the reasons to justify the high cost of pharmaceuticals is because it goes back into research and development.
In general, they have not proven themselves to be trustworthy.
The pharmaceutical companies have a plethora of lawsuits against them.
They're not honest.
They're not transparent.
They try and hide studies from us, right?
Pfizer tried to hide it for decades.
It's crazy.
If they want us to trust them, they need to be transparent.
We need to have all the information.
And of course, they have some utility, but I mean, it's becoming less and less.
Right, so are there other alternatives, let's say in natural medicine, because I've, I'm speaking this week, just this week, spoken to Dr.
Sina McCulloch, who focuses on natural medicine, who warned me about The fact that the FDA was looking essentially to ban all homeopathic medicines, to ban any form of natural medicine, and this was by classifying them as new drugs that needed to go through this approval process.
We see a similar thing happening in Australia and New Zealand, bans on vitamins, things like that.
So how are people going to navigate through that?
That's so scary.
That's so scary.
I mean, what do you do if it's gotten to that point?
That's ridiculous.
Everybody, you know, there are natural things that can provide a heck of a lot of nutrition.
Bee pollen is one thing.
You know, if they ban supplements, are they going to ban bee pollen?
I hope not.
You can get bee pollen from You know, beef arms, it's a natural substance and it provides so much nutrition.
Getting outside and getting enough vitamin D. Not eating toxic foods.
You know, high fructose corn syrup blocks the conversion for D3 and reduces your D3 level.
And so all of these things that we can do on our own to keep ourselves healthy.
Not eat toxic foods.
Good sleep, you know, not be snacking all day and keeping your insulin level high and doing intermittent fasting, eating more animal-based.
This is very good for you.
So we can do all these things.
I even have books.
This sounds so crazy.
I have a friend, Dr.
Jen Vanderwater and Dr.
Janet Schmidt, which are part of the wellness company.
They've gone out and looked for...
I've got a book that I want to learn.
You know, I have 40 acres.
I want to be able to use my land to see what's on it.
It seems so fun and natural to be able to do those things.
But I think as a population, citizens need to become much more self-reliant and independent.
I absolutely agree with you.
And it is fun to explore your own land and see what you can do with natural medicines.
I myself have a huge focus on that this year and just becoming more self-sufficient in that.
And I think we're at a point in history where we actually really have to, Dr.
Gessling.
We don't have a choice when we see all of the attacks on anything that's natural, including, you know, non-GMO food.
It is very, very, you know, the community level, helping one another, helping your neighbour, forming relationships with farmers and butchers and all of this is going to be crucial moving forward.
Heirloom seeds, making sure that what you're eating when you're planting isn't GMO. Yes, I absolutely agree.
It's so important.
And people are realizing that importance in growing their networks.
And it's important that we become, you know, we become independent, self-sufficient, and that we're not relying on pharmaceuticals or as little as possible.
And we're not relying on big government and that we take care of ourselves.
I want to ask you, Dr.
Gessling, where do you think That the medical industry is heading with all of the things that we see happening.
I mean, how bad will this get?
And I'm asking in light of the fact that the World Health Organization and the proposed international health regulations A couple of things have happened here.
So they've gone in...
Article 1 says that these will be legally binding now.
Article 3, they've actually crossed out dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms from their considerations.
So they're saying that the way that they manage future pandemics essentially will not be in consideration of human rights, dignity and freedoms.
And, you know, in Australia we've had laws that...
Eradicate the doctor-patient relationship.
The national law that was implemented last year stops doctors from speaking out against anything that the government says.
So where do you see that we're heading as a world if this isn't stopped in the medical industry?
Well, this has been stopped I think is the key.
I think there just absolutely must be more resistance.
There has to be more resistance.
And it's so, you know, I feel like I kind of want to learn your perspective on what happened in your own country because over here it just seemed like there was, it was terrible, you know, it almost seemed like you guys were in a prison.
And it seemed like the lockdowns and the vaccine pushing were even more than they were here in this country because all the things...
I don't know what we saw, if it was propaganda or if it was truth, but it did not look fun in your country.
No, it was truth.
They pushed pregnant women to the ground.
They pushed the elderly to the ground.
They choked a young woman.
I recall one bit of footage that came out.
Choked a young woman up against the wall for not wearing a mask.
Think about that.
They shot at protesters, peaceful protesters with rubber bullets.
Helicopters flew across our skies every single night between 1 and 3am.
They still do.
You couldn't leave.
If the supermarket was more than 5km from your house, you were not allowed to go and get food.
And you would try and order it online and they wouldn't be delivering to your area because they were so inundated.
It was absolute hell.
That's crazy.
That is just terrible.
You know what that does?
It reduces people's guts to resist.
That's what we need is people to stand up and not accept the tyranny.
Medical freedom is crucial.
It's crucial for our dignity and our health and well-being.
But, you know, I don't know.
I feel hopeful that the future is going to be less severe, but if it's more severe, we just have to stay the course.
We have to.
And, you know, what you said is right in terms of it reduces people's, you know, it really affects their ability to stand up.
It crushes their courage.
But what we found was the ones who did stand up are so much more resilient now than, you know, a year ago.
You know, I recall, and I mean, I never really listened to these rules anyway, Dr.
Gessling, because it's...
You're not going to tell me that I can't walk more than 5km from my house.
It's just ridiculous.
I'm not complying with that nonsense.
But, you know, so many did.
But I just think back to, you know, just being told that you can't go more than 5km for food.
And all the people that chose to be fearful in that time rather than stand up and say, absolutely not.
And if they all just said, no, you know what?
Every one of us is going to travel 15 kilometers today.
What would they do to millions of people?
What would they do?
And right now we have a resistance that's growing all around the world.
People are waking up.
We have parallel health systems being set up.
We have communities being set up.
People becoming more self-sufficient.
And this is what they fear.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So maybe, you know, if they do it to us again, we're more prepared.
Maybe we're more, you know, we're ready and people have more have woke up because of the tyranny that has occurred.
I'm hoping for that.
This is one of the reasons why we started The Wellness Company is to provide patients what they need outside of the tyranny, you know, outside of this health care system.
And, you know, knowing that the vaccine injury We want to provide care for that and help with exemptions.
Be able to get patients off of pharmaceuticals.
Break them free from that system.
We started in September.
We're growing.
We hope for support and we want to provide this service, not only to the United States, but to grow to other countries.
If you want, if you need us, we're at TWC.health and you can get our book on that website too.
Yes, so I've included the link in the description below.
That's my link.
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I am just, I'm so encouraged by you, Dr.
Gessling.
Can I just say what a refreshing conversation to speak to a doctor that's just so open-minded and willing to address all of these things.
It's absolutely wonderful and people like you are standing out.
In the crowd right now and we're grateful for you.
Thank you so much for your time today.
Thank you.
I've enjoyed it.
Thanks, Maria.
It's a pleasure.
Becoming self-sufficient is the key this year and it means less dependence on brainwashed doctors, more dependence on community, more dependence on self.
And I'm a big believer in that and it's something I am practicing myself.
Head to Heaven's Harvest if you're in the United States and prepare you and your family with high quality long term food, emergency survival food, heirloom seeds, water filtration and storage and they have gardening and survival resources.
These are fantastic books for people that are just starting out.
They've even got Clyde's Garden Planner.
First aid, natural first aid handbook.
What happens when you can't access first aid products unless you have a digital vaccine certificate?
Because that is coming.
That absolutely is coming.
In Australia, they've started to limit the amount of paracetamol that you can buy.
So how important is it to learn to treat ourselves with natural medicine?
Part of that is learning how to survive in the wild, I think, and Survival Supplies Australia is your one-stop shop for all of your survival needs, including emergency and survival food, bug-out bags, grab-and-go bags, first aid and medical supplies, first aid kits, bushcraft gear, camping and hiking gear, they just have everything, survival knives.
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And also, you all know how I feel about precious metals.
I know that the current economic system that we have is going to collapse.
It's only a matter of time.
And the way that I've chosen to safeguard myself against that is by investing in precious metals.
So, GoldStackers for Australia.
Head to their website.
They've got a brand new office open in Sydney now.
Which is great news for all of the Sydneysiders watching this.
And just keep building those community connections, guys.
Build connections with your neighbours that are awake, with other people that you know.
Start forming those cell groups.
Share vegetables.
Share heirloom seeds.
Do what the globalists don't want you to do.
And live, according to a natural life, the way that things used to be.
Not Bill Gates GMO products.
Not Big Pharma mRNA laced absolutely everything.
Let's take control of our health and our lives and our money once and for all and teach others to do the same.
I hope this broadcast has empowered some people and inspired them to do just that.
I'll see you next week right here on Uncensored.
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