Decoding The New DOJ Released, Steve Bannon, Jeffrey Epstein Interview https://t.co/b3LbWaQoiZ
Alex Jones and Thomas Siska dissect Jeffrey Epstein’s early ties to globalist networks—his 1980s board role at the Trial Auto Commission, CIA-linked operations with Bill Barr and Bush Sr., and alleged expertise in transhumanism, AI disinformation, and financial manipulation like derivatives. Epstein’s Zorro Ranch purchase in 1993 aimed to recruit Manhattan Project scientists for "dark matter" research, while his occult claims (soul as "dark matter," interdimensional interfaces) suggest metaphysical control strategies. The DOJ’s 2026 Epstein file release coincides with AI-driven misinformation surges, raising questions about systemic cover-ups and the ethics of accepting funds from predators like Epstein, who allegedly shaped media, pandemics, and even world government agendas. [Automatically generated summary]
Well, it's about 153 from the front lines of the information war.
It's Alex Jones.
1.53 Central Standard Time on this Saturday, February 7th, 2026 transmission.
I am your host, Alex Jones, coming to you from the Alex Jones Network backup studios as the Deep Stick TV is trying to shut down.
InfoWars.
And Thomas Siska, great InfoWars crew member, great researcher. is here with us because he helped me compile a lot of this.
Again, you would think eight days ago when all those Epstein files dropped that I would go watch the Bannon interview that he released basically the same day.
I did until about three days ago.
And it puts so many pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together.
And with my knowledge of David Rockefeller Tri-Alle Commission, the Globalist, I knew a lot of this, but I didn't realize how high up he was early on because of Bill Barr and their CIA operation and Bush Sr. and bringing the Somalis in and the human trafficking and the private Air Force that Epstein already ran by 91.
Because not just in the Epstein files, you've got Mike Benz digging through public stuff, but he knows where to go look.
And that Epstein was already running basically Evergreen 2.0 or Air America CIA by 91.
And that just came out about a month ago.
So I was learning, wow, he was even more high power than I thought.
It's all confirmed.
Benz is doing like five-hour shows on all the documents.
You talk about overload.
He's even more crazy than us, but he just documents everything.
And then I watched this interview, and I've watched it three times now.
Well, I've watched it fully twice in the clips another time two years ago before he did this.
And really, it's hard to not play the whole two hours, but we're probably going to play about 30 minutes of it here.
Everybody should go watch it.
We're live now, but once we post clips of this, we'll post the full interview by it.
You're triple duty doing that, and I appreciate you.
So here we are.
Now, it starts slow, but then it builds to Rockefeller and then to the Trial Auto Commission, how this works very quickly.
And I remember interviewing top experts on and off air, like Ted Gunderson, like Anthony Sutton, like G. Edward Griffin, because there were books written about this by the bad guys, where you'll have some top of the class person at a college in Wisconsin.
And all of a sudden, David Rockefeller is in the line at lunch with you and trying to recruit you.
But Epstein got recruited directly to be his aide-de-camp or his, the Romans called it a legate.
You'd have like an emperor, but he'd had a few people that spoke for him.
They would have a seal and they were like, this guy speaks.
It's the emperor, so you can send him around.
So when I knew Epstein was high up in all this, I knew he was in the trial commission.
I didn't know he was on the board of it.
When I saw this interview, I went and looked it up.
I was like, my God, this guy was 30 years old on the board of the Trial Auto Commission.
But it was because Bill Barr ran the girls' school and wrote the science fiction book, Space Relations, about the elites working with aliens to kidnap humans for genetic engineering and rape to take their energy like the Dark Crystal.
Same story over and over again.
He's OSS World War II, CIA high-level.
Bill Barr goes right to the top, even on Iran-Contra, as the head of that operation is a young man, 30, I think, too.
It's incredible.
And he was the head of Iran-Contra liaison.
So the legate for George Herbert Walker Bush, they kept Reagan out of it.
That was literally classified.
So they could do all that.
And so there's thousands of pieces that go in here.
But here he is chosen by David Rockefeller.
And I think at the end of the day, because of the pedophilia, Rockefeller, the evidence was into that, the control, they liked Epstein.
You hear him speak.
You didn't really see interviews with him.
He is smart.
He talks about, well, I could integrate lots of different fields, and I could talk to the different experts in the globalist system that were only experts in their area, and they knew I was an expert in that area, and I was an expert in other areas.
So they needed kind of a general project manager.
And somebody when Rockefeller was busy who set up the whole modern UN world government system, he bragged about in his book, several of his books he wrote.
So it's just incredible that it was even more high power than we thought.
And of course, when I kept saying, everybody wants to say Massad.
Yeah, Massad, sure, he was involved in that.
And so was Disney Maxwell's dad, Barry Mount of Olives, Massad, all that.
He took over kind of the MI6 Massad pedophile arm.
But at the end of the day, Epstein was above CIA, Rockefeller Foundation, Trilateral Commission, Trial Commission is at the top of the food chain of the political grips.
It's what the WEF is today, okay, with Larry Fink and corporate governance, all the rest of it.
So there's a boring start, and then Bannon's bantering back and forth, and he's wanting to know, okay, what was the Santa Fe Institute?
And he explains, well, it was to integrate all these things and get different schools of thoughts so that all these different arms of the system were communicating with each other.
And then he talks about meeting Rockefeller, joining Trilateral Commission, explains why presidents aren't good at finance.
He then describes what fractional reserve banking really is, which is the first speech when I'm three years old.
I'm sitting around while my dad, you know, has, you know, like a colonel at the table and an FBI agent and my uncle.
And they're saying they'll have the computer in Brussels and then they're going to do this with the money.
And that's their plan to take over in the new old order globalist system.
And that's the fractional reserve banking for every dollar they can loan out nine.
And then they're going to move into, because they all knew.
I mean, you know, my family was all into fighting this.
And there were a lot of good guys in the government that they were into fighting as well.
And they were all, you know, follow John Bird Society and the rest of it.
And so did my grandfather's.
So we're, you know, kind of day one fighting this.
So to me, I'm hearing like he explained to Steve Bannon about fractional reserve banking.
Obviously, Bannon knows about it, but here they are explaining to you how all this works and derivatives that he was key in and Bear Stearns and Lena Brothers.
I mean, it's just an amazing interview because it just confirms all the other pieces to this.
And the fact that it's coming out now really means their old system is collapsing.
What comes out of that could be good, could be bad.
That's why we've got to be engaged and also have people that could pilot through this to explain what's real and what's not as they flood the zone with fake AI on purpose to confuse all this and obscure it.
So that's my take.
You have any takes before we start getting to this Thomas Siska and about all the developments we've just seen.
Well, it's very interesting that we finally get this huge dump of Epstein files right at the moment when AI has gotten to the point where it's able to fool most people.
And all of the fake Trump stuff that is just all over the place is just, you know, it's not coincidental that that's all timed up together.
It provides the perfect cover and smokescreen away from the real things that we know on record.
And it almost discredits the whole thing because people aren't able to decipher what's real and what's fake.
And we're going to go over some of that today when we'll talk about ways to counter that.
But you notice when I would comment and say, this is AI, which they admit it is, oh, you're covering up.
No, putting out fake stuff covers up the real stuff that we've got examples of.
And then when it comes to Maxwell and Epstein, I feel that you don't really get that close to Maxwell and get into a live-in relationship with her unless you're already connected into the transhumanist movement.
I mean, that whole family has connections to some of the biggest players when it comes to Genetic engineering, jet propulsion systems, just total full spectrum dominance and kind of have their hands in everything when it comes to building a technocratic new world order with transhumanism as the main imprint and design on what they're trying to achieve.
Well, you're right.
I'm glad you said this because I meant to start this today with we already knew this, but it's just more confirmation and more focusing and more clarity that it's exactly what we said, but even worse.
That whenever I say the pedophilia is just a control arm of this, people go, oh, you're covering that up.
No, it's the opposite.
It's that it's transhumanism, it's cloning, it's genetic engineering, it's AI, it's becoming God.
That Francis Galton got commissioned in 1850 by the Crown to create Mind War, to develop a science of biometrics to discover what made us tick.
All that funding, the discovery of DNA, all of it is this life extension project.
And at the heart of what they talk about and do in the emails and the documents in this is life extension.
So absolutely, this is a mad scientist cult that sees all of us as guinea pigs.
Yes, I mean, it's really an extension of Operation Paperclip for all the people that are obsessed with Nazis and think it's cute to just kind of attach their identity to Hitler and everything.
I mean, the Rothschilds worked with Hitler.
I mean, that's in the Epstein files.
They brag about it.
So you're looking at a group of elite bankers that are, you know, the original banking family, the Rothschilds, who are Jewish, that are working to exterminate their own people.
So, I mean, it doesn't really come down to their culture to do this.
This is a rogue anti-human system with the Rothschilds at the top of it that were willing to, you know, kill their own family members and to achieve their goals.
And you're seeing that with all these people, Bush, Bill Barr, those are all extensions to the actual Nazi system.
And let's be clear.
I totally agree.
Before we go to Epstein, I'm glad you reminded me of this.
Get clip 12 from the main list from upstairs that I get to.
Racist Jews say that the Goyam as the individuals are done.
Now, I can show you a thousand rabbis, prominent ones saying, since Rome sacked us in 70 AD, America's the new Rome.
We will destroy America.
That's not all the Jews, folks, but you have to understand that you've got Nazis that believe the master race.
You've got the British setting up their master race system.
And then you've got Epstein emails saying, you know, we're basically the master race.
We're at war with Christianity in the West.
It just shows it's all a bunch of maniacs trying to dominate and be in total control, social Darwinism.
It's just unbelievable.
And we have to recognize this and see what this is.
Absolutely.
And like I said, the system was put in place before the Nazis came along.
They've already had these ideologies to create clones, to create cyborgs and upload their conscious into inanimate objects and call it the new species.
So it predates the Nazis, but they were the ones that were actually able to bring this system out of the light.
Exactly.
Hitler and his own and Joseph Goebbels, they were obsessed with H.G. Wells and the Fabian Socialists because they were copying their plan, but it was different.
And so they were, once they conquered England, they thought they were going to kill them because they were mad that they were a competing plan.
You're dead on about that.
Yes.
And then you got the competing plan of some of the Jewish supremacists that have interpretations of the Talmud and then later books where they say things like this.
So here's clip 12, race.
This is just emblematic.
This is what Epstein's talking about in the emails about the Goy and how we will be destroyed.
And you look around at society and the undermining of it, it's from every level, every angle of the globalist system wants to undermine society, including Epstein.
Here it is.
You can't really argue that the Goyim are going to be annihilated.
That's not really an option for all the Navuas, all the prophecies.
And not only Goyim as individuals, you could say that we broke down their nationalities and they're all a bunch of Yechidim running around.
No, as nations even.
As Goyim, they're gone.
Their personality, as they exist, bifne Atzmom, as they would exist independently of Klaus.
No, they don't exist.
They're done.
In modern terminology, in modern terminology, they call it cultural genocide.
There's a term for it by the progressives.
Well, cultural genocide.
The opinion who says that they'll be annihilated, they basically learn there's going to be cultural genocide.
You know what?
The Goyims, the Goyim, as they exist, as Goyim, Bifne Atzmum, that's done with.
That's why it says Khobanei Sheikhs.
Every individual, those survivors, not only as a nation, they'll cease to exist, even as individuals.
And it has to be gone.
The first way, yeah, in other words, you have to be totally nullified to the Jewish people.
And there's no redemption for you as an individual, as you exist in your own existence, in your own personality.
That independent existence itself wants to serve the Yidden, wants to serve Hashem, recognizes Hashem.
Our God is also going to be the God of the Goyim.
Hashem Michad.
All the Goyim, everyone's going to serve Hashem together.
They're going to transform the tongue of the Goyim.
This is the concept.
In the Mems, and the Nephi said, we have to work in the Goyim.
And we have to understand that the Goyim have to recognize the Sham Mitz-Noiach and start keeping them.
And there's ways to bring Moshiach.
Get in the Goyim to keep Shamzmanoyah.
And we'll have 2,800 Abadim.
Shiacham, whoever Zardin Sinsis will have 2,800 Abadim.
10 people will hold on from all the Lashainis of the Goyim.
These are the words of the Prophet.
They will grasp onto the corner of the khanov of the Ishihudi.
Leimer saying, Nel Chai Imach.
Now, if people give me any problems for this, I'll play a thousand clips of that.
So here's the deal.
This is all Stone Age, backward stuff.
And actually, the Old Testament's great.
It's once the captivity and all the 30 other books.
It is just, it's where Hitler got his ideas from.
He goes, well, forget that.
I'll turn around and do that to you.
And people say, well, that's good too.
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No.
So, and that's not, again, all the Jews that are doing this.
But when you look at Epstein, he is into that because it's an elitism.
And all the other globalist predatory groups, it's the same idea that I have a right to destroy you because you're subhuman.
And then those of us trying to stop this are being called Nazis, and they're trying to shut us up because we're trying to stop all of this in general.
And so that's the reality.
And you look at the Nazis, current ones, they lie.
They're hateful.
They run around and act all crazy.
Because a lot of simple minds just want to believe God says we can dominate you.
God says you're a slave.
God says that's the way this is.
And that's what's in the Epstein emails is him having that view against the West.
Because if you're going to feed on people and hurt them, why not just have an attitude they're subhuman, just like children?
Well, it's like I eat veal.
That's a baby cow.
Well, to Jeffrey Epstein, all these other people are just like they're animals.
And so you have to say Hitler was wrong doing that.
And Jeffrey Epstein's wrong doing that, and this rabbi is wrong doing it.
And that's why the ADL is so desperate to shut this down and doesn't want X up there.
The EU is trying to indict Elon because Elon will allow you to hear what everybody has to say.
I think that's really the answer here.
But I've never heard such absolute supremacism out of any other group other than Islam and ideology saying we're going to kill everybody that doesn't do what we say and these rabbis.
But it comes from the Middle East of all these tribes killing each other thousands of years.
These are extremely tribal genocidal systems.
And it's antithetical to Christianity that's about bringing everybody in and unifying under God.
Does that make sense?
Absolutely.
I think that man is clearly delusional.
And the American Christian way is to dominate in ideas and innovation and provide ways of life for people that can be easier, a better standard of living for everyone and freedom of thought.
That's how we dominate.
We unify by ideology and culture and goals.
Yeah, we don't treat people like subhumans.
We lift them up.
That doesn't mean we can just flood a bunch of cavemen into our country and expect them to fit in.
Who are being manipulated and controlled by the left?
100%.
So, yes.
So the American way, like you said, is not to be a supremacist in terms of brutality and pushing the religion, but pushing the idea of freedom.
Superior culture, superior ideas.
And we have to realize it is superior so everybody wants to come here.
To the point where it's not even comparable.
I mean, do you want to live in squalor and suffer and constantly be under war?
Well, let's take this rabbi.
I looked up his sect.
They have what average like eight kids.
They're all on welfare.
They just sit around all day and just spew kids out just like the Muslims and then say how they're superior.
It's a bunch of assholes.
Yeah.
I mean, it's difficult to find any sense of humanity in people like that and relate to them because they just seem so far gone.
And as a Christian, you know, you want them to come to Christ and to see the light.
So really, I mean, you can pray for people like that and pray for peace, but they do not fit in with war.
Correct.
And they do not fit in with the American way whatsoever.
And we have to call it out.
America in the West is the most unraced group.
We are the ones that end the slavery most areas.
I mean, the Muslims are a complete nightmare.
That's what they're all trying to get out of where they run things.
They want to get out of their prison and turn us into their prison, just like Californians want to come here and turn us into them.
We have to reject it and say, no, we are superior.
Our ideology, our spirituality is hands-down superior to you.
And you want to say you're superior, you're going to get us.
No, we reject you.
We're done with you.
We are done.
All right, let's start getting into Epstein here.
Let's just play a few of these back-to-back.
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Epstein history of Santa Fe.
This is just some background.
He's talking about unified fields and all that, which is important.
And then Epstein meeting Rockefeller, Epstein joining Trilateral Commission.
Epstein explains why presidents aren't good at finance.
Let's play clip one through four back to back.
So Santa Fe Institute in the late 80s, early 90s.
I was interested, I was on the board of Rockefeller.
So that starts Rockefeller University formed by John D. Rockefeller to sort of give back to the community east side of Manhattan.
Except it was old.
It was sort of old-fashioned.
They were talking about medicine and medicine by itself was again subject to the ideas of science.
They were trying to use science to find cures for disease.
And I said, no, we need to do something different.
We need to start interdisciplinary work.
In most of a schmuck like you get on the board of Rockefeller, where year was that?
I don't remember.
Late, I think 89 and 91.
So that's one of the most prestigious research places in the world, correct?
Yes.
Okay, how did a guy like you get on the board of Rockefeller?
A blue-blood, internationally known, internationally known, hard research, Nobel Prize winners all over the place.
How do they pick a guy like you, a trader from, or basically some guy from Bear Cerns?
Good question.
So I was asked to be on the board of Rockefeller, and I think it was, I was on the board of Rockefeller, there was a money manager who said, Rockefeller needs someone with financial expertise because the university is growing and there's lots of new things.
You have to, again, we go back to the original discussion the last time.
Up until the mid-80s or sort of early mid-70s, the most important thing was your name.
If you were Rockefeller, you already were considered to be brilliant.
If you were a head of General Motors, it was your reputation.
It was who you knew, who your family was, what was your character.
And then in the mid-70s, basically, if you remember, you probably had a calculator.
It was very advanced in those days to have a Texas instrument calculator, where it could, by putting in the numbers, it would multiply for you to do square roots.
And that was the first thing.
Everyone who had a calculator was already advanced on Wall Street.
A simple calculator, almost like your accountant.
The most important parts of business were really now going to calculations.
So it's not only mathematics, but it's things that could be calculated.
Reputation couldn't be calculated.
I could give you, are you a 10 on a reputation scale, an 8?
What does it mean to have a measurement of your reputation?
We'll get to that later.
But people, places like Rockefeller needed someone to say, look, we are entering a different world where numbers and the numbers of companies, portfolio management was going to be balanced, it was going to be statistical.
Jeffrey, could you come on the board, potentially sit on the finance committee, Nancy Kissinger and a bunch of other people.
And David Rockefeller and I got along very well.
He was just, he was this unbelievable human being.
Respectful to everyone.
He introduced his driver as his colleague, not his driver.
He would never say, this is my driver.
He said, it's my colleague.
And David started to explain to me world politics.
So David would say, Jeffrey, money is going to be sort of the most important things.
People don't understand money.
You seem to have this knack for money.
I said to David, tell me about your life.
What was the worst and the best part of your life?
So David said, when I grew up, everyone knew I was a Rockefeller.
They didn't know that my father told me he would not leave me a dime.
No money.
But every time we went out to eat, me and my five friends at school, they would leave me the bill.
They would expect me to pick up the check because I was a Rockefeller.
And he said, I was chairman of Chase Bank.
And he said, I remember like it was yesterday, one of the headlines in Time magazine said, David, please fire yourself.
So he thought that there was a world that existed that would be a combination of both politics and business and leadership.
What do I mean?
He formed something called the Trilateral Commission.
The Trilateral Commission is some spooky stuff.
People said it was some of the people that, the Illuminati, there's some mystery about it, people that ran the world.
It was politicians, but David said, most countries, the politicians get elected for four years or eight years, separate from the royal families in England or in the Middle East.
Someone's there for four years and then they're not there anymore.
The most important people to have stability and consistency would be businessmen.
So he formed this trilateral commission of businessmen and politicians from three major continents.
So it was the North Americans, the Europeans, and the Asians.
So he said to me, would you like to be on the trilateral commission?
Now, I was 30 years old, 32 years old.
I said, great.
And he said, well, you have to fill out this application so they have your bio.
And I looked at the list of people, and it was Bill Clinton, former president of the United States, Paul Volcker, every great leader in America, the Asians, the Japanese, and with a very long description of their history.
And they asked me to fill in what I would like to have written.
And I wrote Jeffrey Epstein, just a good kid, which I thought was funny.
Nobody else did.
Again, most political leaders don't come out of a background of finance.
Most political leaders come out of a background of being popular.
So in some of the countries, the African countries, for example, they might have been a military person.
They were a general.
In some of the African countries, they might have been a disc jockey.
Or in our country, they would have been an actor.
The knowledge of money isn't, they don't have expertise.
They have no degrees in finance.
They really, and this is one of the major problems.
Their expertise, if they have any financial knowledge, is of their own checking account or bank account and filling in their own taxes.
So many world leaders who don't really have a financial underpinning make fundamental errors when it comes to money on a country or institutional level.
Let me give you an example.
If you, Mr. Now, I don't say this to write myself to the story, though there's now 16 emails of me in there with Epstein not liking me and them attacking me, of course.
I thought there were only two.
They found 16 now.
But I think John Harmon's still here, right?
I can bring his ass in here.
He doesn't like to go in there.
He's the oldest employee here.
Before I was even an employee, like 23 years ago, he worked at GCN as their head producer.
He heard Rothkopp, the head of the Kissinger group, give me the spiel.
And they said, look, I did this interview today during the breaks because we've noticed you know how to field manage and you can integrate.
You know our plans because you can look at all these different disciplines.
What we're looking for is people that know a bunch of disciplines that can kind of sit above us.
We want to bring you in as a manager.
And I've gotten this pitch before, but not by the Kissinger group and the head of it, Rothkop.
And so Harmon during the breaks is hearing this guy pitched me last because you're a fool.
I can't believe you're not taking the steal.
I did this interview, so I just talked to you because we want to bring you in.
And it was the same thing about the same thing Rockefeller gets him because he was already doing obviously evil stuff with Barr and they noticed that he knew a bunch about finance, but he could also do street smarts.
Because I got a buddy that's very wealthy, but he talks about all these other families he knows that are institutionally, generationally wealthy.
They call them space aliens.
They don't know how to do anything.
And so Rockefeller's like, yeah, most of my family are kind of don't know what they're doing.
I had to actually make everything myself.
That's how my dad did it.
I need somebody to come in that can do what I want and figure out all this new stuff and integrate it.
So it's just bizarre for me to have gotten kind of the same spiel.
Of course, I didn't take it.
Harmon, get down there and come tell the story.
Come sit in the seat.
Anyways, we actually had a separate place before, but John Armin get down here.
Anyways, so the point, because there were all these other meetings I had over the years, they're off record, so I didn't tell what happened there.
Because it's not illegal what they're saying.
So I'm going to have a private meeting with these guys.
I have a Bilderberg group meeting.
People not have Bilderberg with them and stuff.
Because there's different camps and things, too.
But that's, to me, that's how crazy this is.
Let's go back to the club.
Here it is.
Bannon.
If I said your assets increased last year, you'd say, well, that sounds pretty good.
And I'd say, what does that mean to you?
You'd say, well, I have more money.
I guess I'm wealthier.
I'd say, yes.
And if your debt increased, would you feel wealthier or poorer?
You'd say, well, I don't want to have increased debt.
I don't like the idea of that sounds increased debt.
Now, that and world leaders understand when their assets go up, they feel better.
However, institutions like banks, things that people don't really understand are financial underpinnings of banks.
When I say your bank, Mr. Bannon, you have the Bannon Bank, you doubled your assets.
Sounds good, but what does it really mean?
It means people owe you more money.
You don't have any money, more money.
What?
Yeah.
A bank's assets are how much it is owed by other people.
That's crazy.
So if the bank goes from $2 billion of assets to $10 billion, it means people owe it an additional $8 billion, but their assets have gone up.
So the terminology of assets and liabilities is different for banks.
It's not natural.
And what most people, and you ask questions about world leaders, is many people, I think your old boss Mercer understood, there's a fundamental part of money, which is called fractionalized banking.
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Now, we'll get to more of that in a minute.
But I'm three years old learning about this.
This is like how they control everything.
It's the most important thing you can know.
Hundreds of guests on, you know, obviously, we all think this is like known.
No, this isn't known.
They want to get us in debt.
That's the whole control.
They want more debt because they control the debt.
But it made me think of like Alan Greenspan was like Ron Paul's idol.
He wrote, he was an economist.
He wrote for gold against the Federal Reserve and Francisco Banking to overthrow them.
They went and hired him, just like they tried to hire me.
But with Epsey, they didn't need to because he was right in with Barr and the whole pedo deal, you know, the control thing.
So that's why he was brought in.
But it just shows how most people that find him, they just come and hey, join us, kid.
Have a cigar, you know, like the Pink Floyd song.
You're going to go far.
You're going to fly high.
You're never going to die.
So that's how real this is.
I have firsthand, you know, dealing with this.
Your response to that, and we'll get into the real meat and potatoes here.
Well, I remember seeing the article that said that the CIA and intelligence agencies look for hirees that have psychopathic tendencies.
And maybe when he was working with Bill Barr around all those young girls, they kind of noticed his psychopathic tendencies and the way he was able to maybe abuse these girls, groom them, and things like that.
Maybe Barr was already into that and they kind of recognized what was going on.
And then he gets put in with Wexner and given all this money to manage.
Before that point, he was nobody.
You know, why would you trust somebody with billions of dollars out of nowhere?
And let's be clear.
By 91, he's on the trilateral commission.
He's running out of Ohio, this whole CIA aircraft thing, flying the Somalis into Ohio.
That's where it all started.
Mike Mins has released all this.
I don't even know.
I mean, he's definitely the cut-out, cut-out guy of all of this stuff.
And then we learn he is the protege.
This isn't the full interview of David Rockefeller.
Like, they saw him as somebody that could have one foot in and one foot out.
You know, someone who is still connected with Hollywood and all these different systems.
That's right.
Real Master Spies aren't CIA, NSA, FBI.
No, they're corporate guys that sit above it on octopus and everything.
Yes.
That movie, is it Wag the Dog?
Very accurate.
Yeah, that kind of reminds me of that, where they go to all these Hollywood people and they have the De Niro character who's basically the fixer, if you will, and is able to know how to manipulate the media to help a politician get a bad.
And at the end, he wants to tell everybody so they kill him.
Yes.
And that kind of comes to mind with Epstein, you know, with a lot of these emails.
And by the way, they admitted that was all based on the Clintons in Serbia.
They just want to brag.
Yes.
So that movie is very accurate.
And I think that that's kind of emblematic of what kind of role Epstein could play beyond just money laundering and trafficking.
He could advise different leaders on how to keep themselves out of bad media.
And that's what Epstein keeps hammering, is they told him, we like you because they'd interrogate him for their different experts.
Most of these experts are an expert in this.
They don't have any streets.
So what they're looking for is someone that can give them wide spectrum analysis.
Yes.
And that's why they came out of the Rockefeller documents.
Some of them are declassified, others aren't.
They don't like the show going back decades to like, how does this guy know this?
How does he connect all these groups?
Because they're even trying to figure it out.
There's so much to manage.
So they're like, how does he figure out what we're doing better than we do?
Right.
I mean, there's kind of a duality there between you and Epstein being kind of polar opposites when it comes to the political spectrum, but both are able, both you and Epstein are able to have knowledge of all these different fields.
But it's not, it's not, yeah, but that's, but they got a bunch of these people.
The point is, that's what they're looking for.
Right.
I mean, I've said a thousand times, general knowledge, general knowledge.
I mean, when I was younger, I scored in the top percentile of the state of Pennsylvania when I was in seventh grade.
They brought me into the John Hopkins University to see my SAT score.
And we know now that John Hopkins is linked into all these Phoenix Project.
Yes, projects with kids with advanced IQs and GIFs and all the remote viewing and all that stuff.
So, you know, I attended to kind of mess around in school a little bit, had great grades, but didn't really pursue that route.
But then Rockefeller gets reports on all that.
Yes.
So the John Hopkins University, I would say, is a place where they definitely look for people that can have advanced systems.
Yes.
It comes up with the CIA for like the pandemics and all the plans.
100%.
All the pandemics, all of the mind control stuff as well.
All of it.
All of it.
Let's go to more clips.
Great points.
Now, Epstein gets into people not understanding financial markets.
Let's play clip nine.
Epstein explains AI.
He tells stories about being in jail when Bear Stearns and Leonard Rodis is crashing.
Epstein talking to J.P. Morgan and Bear Stearns.
And then it gets even more important getting into dark matter, AI, all the mad scientists stuff.
Let's go ahead and play the next four or five clips.
Fast forward, Steve, to today, where Google and these other engine companies, the other tech companies, are trying to build artificial intelligence.
The strangest thing that they found, one of the strangest things, is that the systems that they design, this artificial intelligence, which a lot of people have heard about, is they design a bunch of systems that are called neural nets.
The term simply taken out of brain work, neurons in the brain, nets because they actually look like a net.
They put in some inputs.
The computers work, spit out an answer.
Sounds normal to you.
It's because you're thinking about that calculator you had in 1976 on your desk.
When you ask the person who designed the system, how did it come to that answer?
How did your neural net, can you show me the calculations?
They say, no, we don't know.
We don't know how the thing we designed actually came up with that answer.
That's pretty strange.
They take the same neural net now and they put it in front of a video game.
No learning, nothing.
They said, to the computer, they say, sit in front of your video game and learn how to play.
It seems the computer learns better than any human in history, faster than any human history, beats any human in history.
But when you ask the designer, how did it do it?
No one knows.
It just did it.
So that's the first little touch of things that we already have gotten to a place where we don't understand it, and we built it.
Meeting Thomas Barnett00:11:35
Sunday afternoon, September 14th, I think it was, 2008, is when they were working feverishly in Midtown Manhattan at the Lehman Brothers offices and various law firms around town and with the Secretary of Treasury about in the Federal Reserve, what they're going to do with Lehman.
They decided they weren't going to save it.
And so they prepared to get put into bankruptcy at the opening of the market in London the next day.
How did you hear about what was going to happen to Lehman Brothers?
And what did you immediately think when you heard they were going to be put into bankruptcy?
I'm glad you asked that question.
I was in solitary confinement September 14th.
And again, some of the public stories about the wonderful time I had in jail and my work release, which didn't come until months after, I'd been there since June in an 8 by 10 cell with a bed in the back, a six-foot bed in the back, a chrome sink with a toilet attached to it, and a little piece of metal sticking out that was supposed to act as a table.
Now, since I was in jail, there were no books.
Why?
There's no library.
No library, but you're in jail.
No, I was in jail, not prison.
So in jail, I was in a place what's called the special housing unit, which is for the roughest, toughest, meanest people.
They had put me there, they said, for my own protection.
So I was in an 8x10 cell with a little slit in the door where they would serve my food on a tray about 9 inches by 4 inches.
And then as soon as I finished eating, they'd take the tray and close it down.
And one of the guards said, do you understand Wall Street's crashing?
I'm worried about my pension.
We'll go back to this in a minute.
I got John Harmon who's, John, how long have we known each other?
23 years.
Doesn't want to be on camera.
It was November of 2002.
I started working.
23 years.
Yep.
So you've been a producer, you're the affiliate relations guy, but you'll also, back in the day, you know.
Back in the day, you were, I got the clips, called the guest up, played all the time.
Yeah, so you're the OG around here.
Tell people about the Rothcop kisses your day because this is the only time it wasn't off record.
Because there's been other meetings are like network, like literally in the paneled rooms with the big tables and all.
And those are off-record meetings.
So when I say I'm doing that, I don't say that, but it's been above kissing your let's just say that.
Before the lawsuits, they had me up to D.C. and they're just like literally in a room like that.
They go, we're about to destroy you, or you can come work for us.
I said, fuck you.
But I mean, tell them what he said.
So from a board ops perspective, it was like we didn't want to scare him off.
So we'd play the intro, but I'd duck the music out so he didn't hear the big brother government corruption type of intro.
And he came on, you were asking him like softball questions, and he was like super impressed with your knowledge of how the globalists operate and all the networking and everything.
And I remember it was like that first or second break off the air when the ads were playing.
You guys were talking and he was just like blown away.
And he literally offered you a job.
Come work for us.
You have a seat at the table.
It was, and then when we went back on to the talk segment, you were just like, did you just hear that?
And I was like, yeah, I heard that.
It was unreal.
It actually happened.
Yeah.
And then I said, no, but the thing is later, because I talked to him later, they're like, no, no, we came on to try to just recruit you.
But it was all flattery.
It's not that I'm not smart.
The point is, that's how they snatched it.
Super impressed with how you knew all this.
And you're connecting dots that most people cannot connect.
That's why he was just, that's why he wanted you to work for him.
But the reason I'm only raising this is not that I'm that smart.
That's their pitch.
That's what Epstein got recruited for because they actually, when you get around these really smart people, they're experts on insurance or military or telecommunications or killing people, but they're not like general knowledge.
Right.
Yeah.
It was crazy.
It actually happened.
True story.
But remember at the end, he got mad, though.
I said, no, I'm not coming to meet with you.
Well, yeah, because you turned him down.
He couldn't believe that you wouldn't.
Why not?
I forget exactly what he said.
Because you're really missing out.
This is really stupid.
He was actually kind of like, he goes, most people kill for this.
There's only a few thousand of us.
We'll make you the super class.
Yeah.
Those are the elite of the elite meeting up and networking with these people.
So the fact that you were like, no, I'm good clearly pissed him off.
Yeah.
Well, my deal was, come work for us.
I later went and met with some of those people.
I said, I'm sure I'll come meet with you.
But the point is, is that the thing was, no, I'm not making a deal with you.
I'm not going to work for you.
I'll come take out the college cabbage though.
You have a seat at the table.
That was a quote.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he'll be able to influence things.
And I told him, I said, your system's going to fail.
Remember?
And remember that time I had the Army War College guy on that was selling Cohes' name.
Thomas Payne?
Thomas something else.
Thomas something.
He was pushing world government until the military joined world government.
It was their top guy.
Remember, he was arguing in the break, we'll defeat you.
You won't stop our world government, all that.
He freaked out.
Yeah.
He hung up the phone.
Thomas.
I thought it was Thomas Payne.
No, it wasn't Thomas Payne.
Thomas Payne's a, it was Thomas.
Met something?
Type of Army War College professor openly teaches the end of America world government.
You'll find him.
Barnett or something.
Thomas Barnett.
I don't want to slander Thomas Barnett.
I'm going for memory here.
It doesn't matter.
Anything else he said?
Because I remember the whole conversation.
I just want to see what you say.
It was just during the breaks.
I mean, that was the juicy part because on air, it was like, you know, kind of going back and forth about how politics work, war works, all this stuff.
But during the breaks, was like, holy crap.
I wish we would have recorded those guys.
And the point is, super class that I'd read was about, hey, we really do run things.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, the trial commission, they said Illuminati.
No, we just, governments come and go.
Just stay in power.
He just said it right there.
Yeah, he wasn't denying anything.
Was the job offer?
Thank you, John.
Anything else?
No.
Was the job offer detailed of what he wanted you to do?
Like, were you going to be an advisor or what exactly was he expecting you to do?
Well, that was just back then.
We had more breaks.
We only had like three hours.
So I talked to him three times.
But I had other meetings with people up above him.
That was just going to go meet Henry Kissinger.
And yeah, no, they got extremely detailed.
I mean, it was just, well, the richest guy in the world, when Trump first got elected, they actually tricked me to go to a meeting about some other stuff.
And then there's this big law firm, top Democrats, top, there were, there were, you know, cabinet people there.
I mean, you know, heads of agencies.
Thomas P.M. Barnett.
Yeah, that's him.
So, good job.
So he was like, screw you.
Our world group is taking over.
You'll never stop.
Harmon heard that.
Anyways, a lot of fun behind the scenes.
Remember the time the head of the head of HARP wanted to come on, and he was a civilian head, and they had an Air Force colonel, and then they shut the interview down.
The stuff Harmon seemed behind the scenes.
Because back then I was at the only big show doing this.
They were all freaked out of the system.
But I've told the story.
No one even seems to care.
I was like, this is the real stuff.
And so they're like, fat-checking is going to be a big deal.
They hadn't even begun yet.
And you're going to be this guy that woke up, was good, but you're reformed, and now you know how to navigate it.
You're going to be the fact-checker, and you'll have this big fact-checking organization you run, and you'll bring up a lot of stuff that explains what it is, you know, and all this stuff.
And you'll get $50 million a year personally.
And I'm like, uh-uh.
And they're like, okay, well, you're about to get sued to oblivion.
And this will all be basically rigged.
You understand that?
And I said, good.
So that was it.
Then they started calling up people in my family, other people saying, you need to really rethink this.
Then they came after me.
Was he aware of your 9-11 coverage at that point?
No, they were all aware.
These billionaires are really just cutouts.
So, you know, it's just a well-known guy.
He's one of the richest guys in the world right now.
But they were like, well, this is where the money's coming from.
And, you know, we represent this person and they want you to work for them.
He'd be like this little baseball card in their collections.
Nothing on that.
The point is, this is how they operate.
This is the real stuff here.
And so what's funny is I knew MC was in the trial commission, not on the board.
And I didn't know he was like, this was the fast track.
And now the new Mike Ben stuff that came out, this guy was way above.
It's just crazy.
But again, the sex stuff everybody focuses on is important, but it's a side issue compared to the globalism and all the stuff that's admitted there.
Thank you, Armin.
Yeah, I'm wondering who took those deals.
Who else was, you know, anywhere near the level of information and things that you were putting out?
I mean, you look at Jesse Ventura these days.
He's a relic of what he once was.
I mean, it's pretty scary.
It's like, did he take a deal or is he now?
He's like, take the shots.
Put them in jail if they don't.
ICE is illegal.
They don't have warrants.
No, they got court orders.
I just think he's brain dead.
Alex, I want you to talk about the Chupacabra now.
Well, they came to me.
That's why I got off the TV show.
You see those episodes that I helped research are badass about the poison shots coming and the lockdowns and erasure, you know, all that in camps.
And they're like, well, they want the new season to be chubacabras and Bigfoot.
And Rogan got another show like that, too.
And I was like, ah, no, thanks.
I'm not going to.
The other thing is Bigfoot and stuff is just not my bag.
I remember that pandemic episode coming out on television and watching it the day it aired.
And I was like, it was blowing my mind.
Like, how is this on TF?
They only aired it once.
It's on TV right now.
It only aired once.
And then they erased it off the DVRs.
First time they had to admit the DVRs were doing that, they erased it off DVRs.
I caught it on air and it was blowing my mind.
I'm like, how is this on TV right now?
This is insane.
And we said they're going to have lockdowns six feet apart because this is the documents.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's just, it's such, I think about the stuff we've done.
I said it's like it's not even real.
It's like I'm watching a movie.
This is like, this is, I was involved in this.
And all these people that wake up, don't have any context.
They're like, oh, yeah, what do you know, buddy?
And I'm like, fuck, I don't know.
It's just crazy.
I'm just, I would never join them because they're evil.
But I mean, I just, they're freaked out now, though.
You know, I've met with some of the top people that say they're on our side and they're working both sides.
They're like, no, we want the way out of this.
And that's what Musk is really doing.
They're really concerned.
Like, they, they, Musk understands, and he's convinced a lot of the establishment that this is going to blow up.
There's no way they're going to get away with this.
What do you make of Bill Clinton saying that he wants full transparency for the victims, wants an open public hearing for his committee, the GOP committee hearing?
Well, that's because he already knows the stuff about him is out.
And again, it's really the money laundering.
It's really all that stuff and the political control.
So they know that they've already either paid off victims or they're dead.
So it's going to be controlled.
Because he already knows the roadmap of what the committees have.
Because as bad as you think all this stuff is, that's what the FBI, current and previous, allowed in there.
That's why Trump found out.
Oh, there's some salted BS about me that we all knew was recycled.
Subprime Credit Crisis00:15:32
It's exactly what I said.
And I predicted how they manipulate Trump.
Then he goes, God, I'm actually innocent in this.
Why should have done this earlier?
Oh, yeah.
So they all just think he's, you know, he's 79.
He could be 20 with 500 IQ.
He can't keep track of all this.
So, you know, people, people want some litmus tests, and this ain't it.
Let's get back to the club so everybody can have a little Saturday with their family, though.
This is important.
And this is all kind of background stuff.
Go back to where we were with the financial crisis 2008.
What should I do?
And I said, sorry, Wall Street's crashing.
What's happened?
And he said, there's some crisis and some companies are going bankrupt.
I said, are you sure?
And he said, yeah, it's all over the papers.
Everybody's terrified.
We're all terrified.
We're going to lose our life savings because we have either a 401k or our pension funds.
We don't know anything about money.
Mr. Epstein, can you tell us what's going on?
Am I going to be able to afford my children's education?
Am I going to be bankrupt?
Like this company called Lehman Brothers.
And there's another company in the front page today called Bear Stearns.
Oh, no, I said.
Why?
Because that's the company I was a partner in.
And in fact, that was a company I had a very large investment in.
So, as a great story, I didn't have my Wall Street Journal, but in the early mornings, you're allowed to make two phone calls, collect.
And when you pick up the phone, you can dial a number.
And when the person picks up, they say, you're getting a call from the Palm Beach County jail.
Will you accept reverse charges?
And the person either says yes, and the call goes through, or the person says no.
The person I had called was Jimmy Kaine, the president of Bear Stearns.
And I said, tell me what's going on.
And so my knowledge of the financial crisis happened with Jimmy, who was at the center of the storm, telling me about what Lehman had gone under.
And they were trying to figure out a way, should they bail out Bear Stearns?
So it never struck you when you had to make a collect, your one collect call, one of your two, 50% of your collect calls that day, you call the president or the head of the CEO of Bear Stearns.
The biggest financial event in your life is taking place, of which, one, every important person in the world would be seeking your opinion.
Number two, it would be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to apply your craft.
Number three, it would be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to make money if you were smart, and obviously you're smart.
You're telling me here, truthfully, that it never hit you at all of how you'd ended up in a place where you had to make a collect phone call from a jail cell that was six by nine with a steel bed and your food being passed through a slot.
The question you want to ask is, who was the other call to?
Who was the other call to?
The other call was to my friend at J.P. Morgan, who was then, I didn't know it at the time, trying to buy Bear Stearns.
So at one point, I had two phones.
It was difficult because they're afraid people are going to hang themselves with the phone cord.
So they don't actually come together when they're pretty short.
So I was actually going between two phones talking to you.
A little foreshadowing there.
So I found it amusing.
And it never struck you about how to end up in a situation like this?
No, that would be probably means I would be too self-aware.
You can't possibly expect me to believe this.
I know.
I don't believe it.
You're telling me during that day, you never had a moment.
You sat there and go, what the fuck have I done with my life in a 6x9 jail cell when I should be on a trading desk or I should be in my $250 million greatest townhouse in New York City taking calls from the king of Saudi Arabia, the president of China, the head of Russia, the president of the United States to save the world's population from a financial debacle.
You're honestly expecting me to believe that that never happened.
You're suggesting I was somewhat depressed and how could this happen to me?
I'm not saying depressed.
I'm saying a moment of awareness of how could I get myself into this situation.
No, I would just say how strange that this happens.
It's strange.
I'm wearing a jumpsuit and flip-flops.
What color was the jumpsuit?
Brown.
Brown.
Brown jumpsuit.
Yes.
But what really happened, the real enemy of the finance system was Bill Clinton.
And if you asked me what and who caused the financial crisis, I would tell you it was Bill Clinton.
Because of what Bob Rubin and he did to the financial, deregulate the financial system?
No.
Because as the last time we had our 60-minute interview, you talked to me about home ownership.
And you asked me whether everyone should own a home.
And I told you no, it's too risky.
So the financial collapse of 2008 is because of hardworking African Americans, Hispanics, and whites who wanted to have a peace, have an ownership stake in the society that all rests on their shoulders.
They're the culprits.
No, not at all.
I didn't say that with the conversation.
I was pretty clear it was Bill Clinton.
Why was it Bill Clinton?
Because Bill Clinton wanted to get votes from those people.
And he sold them the idea that instead of renting a house, and historically the values of houses had gone up, and he said, you guys in these local communities who haven't been able to afford a house.
Let's stop right here for a minute.
Hey, if you study this, that was contributing a little bit, which Larry Summers, by the way, you should blame.
That's who told me, Larry Summers, who's thickest thieves for this guy.
So here they are blaming Clinton for following their advice.
I'm not defending Clinton, just the fact it was the derivatives.
But he says in here, oh, it's not the derivatives.
No, that's what did it was derivatives getting called.
But let's continue with his bullshit.
Away.
I'm going to give you away because I'm sure I'll get your vote that you can own a house because I want your vote.
So what we're going to do is I'm going to let you buy a house, Mr. Bannon, when you really're right on the border, maybe, or not even on the bank.
And then you sold the mortgages 50 times each.
That's what that is.
It is not good.
And it was based on a bad bet, but you took it further.
And it's not my fault.
It's not Bill Clinton's fault.
But whatever happens, at the moment, your credit score or whatever it is, your credit's not good.
So what we're going to do is we're going to call your credit situation subprime.
Nobody knows what that means.
Subprime.
That means prime is good credit.
Subprime is not good credit, less than good credit.
So we'll call it something that people really won't follow.
And we'll tell you what.
We're going to have people lend you money, though you are a subprime borrower.
And I will figure out some government agencies to guarantee your loan, though I don't think you're a good risk.
So the banks say no, no, no.
Now, part of that's true.
Most of it's deceptive, but here's the deal: what, 15 Democrat states, California, Massachusetts, are giving $30,000 to $40,000 to only illegal aliens, literally people that are in here legal and quote immigrants to buy their first house.
That money goes right back to the banks.
So now they've gone from subprime to shit prime.
Very same crew.
I mean, so it's just Thomas, your take on that.
I mean, it's definitely not fair to put that all on Bill Clinton, and I think that's a little deceptive of Epstein.
I mean, sure, maybe he was behind implementing some of the plans.
Larry Summers.
Yeah, exactly.
So Larry Summers is the one that came up with the plan.
His big partner.
Yeah, I mean, it goes into the ideology of you'll own nothing and be happy.
Well, you know, well, it goes to the ideology of the war on the Goam.
Yeah.
Which he says we're at war with Christians and whites and anybody that's, you know, we're going to destroy them.
And then there's.
I'm sorry I have to say that, folks, but he's the one declaring war.
I don't support Hitler declaring war on the Jews.
I just, we just stopped the war, please.
And then there's the email where they mention a discussion with Bill Gates of the question was raised, how do we get rid of all the poor people?
I forgot that one.
Yeah, so it's, you know, he's over here saying, well, Bill Clinton was knowingly giving people bad credit and basically setting them up to fail and crash the market.
That's the real reason they're blaming it.
They wanted to sell more derivatives.
Yes.
I mean, when we first learned about derivatives, they were like doing houses 10 times apiece, some 100 times, sell that.
I mean, yeah.
My uncle was a mortgage broker during the housing crisis briefly.
And he was telling me there were people that were working at restaurants that were getting together.
They would get three houses at a time, just signing them all off.
And, you know, that's just the way it was.
And Epstein helped pioneer the derivatives, by the way.
Yeah.
They would approve all of it.
And, you know, it was just people where everybody was getting three houses and just going nuts.
Incredible.
Let's go to 13 now.
He explains the creation of subprime mortgages.
He talks about why he bought Zorro Ranch.
Let's move on to the crazy subprime mortgages.
Let's go to 14.
And then he talks about the soul.
That's coming up.
That's really good.
Here's Epstein talks about why he bought Zorro Ranch.
Here it is.
So let's back up.
So why did I buy a ranch in New Mexico in 1993?
So that gives you some sense.
So I would have funded it in 1990.
Los Alamos, which was the high-energy lab up in New Mexico, was losing all its scientists.
And Los Alamos, it was where Oppenheimer were a lot of the nuclear weapons program, the bomb.
That's where the Manhattan Project.
Manhattan Project was Los Alamos.
And you bought your property out in New Mexico to be near that?
Yes, because the scientists were going to be, they cut the funding for high-energy physics.
But the people who worked in Los Alamos would still be in the Santa Fe area.
They cut that because the end of the, this was the Cold War dividend, right?
I don't remember exactly why.
It was because, again, people thought that physics and high-energy physics really wasn't that important.
Because that was about nuclear weapons.
No, it was because they were trying, they decided, which may not write.
This was the same time that Murray Gelman came up with the term quark, Q-U-A-R-K.
He picked it out of an old poem, the word quark.
But it was something, it was mysterious.
So they were starting to understand in the 90s that in our world of the physic world, there was things that were just unexplainable.
They called it strange things.
You gave it a name.
You gave it some characteristics.
You called it charm, was one of the terms.
It had a charm.
It had a flavor.
It had a color.
But nobody really, no one, Mr. Bennon, understood what it was.
Just like the financial system.
And you wanted to investigate that?
I wanted to see if we could build tools so others smarter than me could help investigate it.
And that was the beginning of your concept of the Santa Fe Institute.
Yes.
And Santa Fe Institute was founded to do study in this type of… Can you, can these areas of strange things be described by some form of mathematics?
So let's stop there.
Have the archivists tell the archivists grab this clip here and then he'd get it 100 times.
Just a clip of me, let's say five years ago, saying Zorro Ranch was about getting together scientists and blackmailing them for consensus and control and all sorts of sex and weird medical experiments to control consensus and then to steer the universities in the way the globalists wanted.
That's what it's really all about.
And I said that first, and there he is basically admitting this.
Now he learned this came out, I guess, because the interview was in the FBI files.
That's why it was released.
So just simply amazing.
Thomas, any comments on that before we go to Epstein claims the soul is like dark matter.
I think that is one of the most revealing things that he said so far in this interview.
You know, putting all these people together to investigate, quote, strange things.
That's such a blanket term for so many different things he could be getting involved with, whether it's the cloning and, you know, any type of genetic research, building viruses and things like that.
And the fact that it was near this, you know, where they had the Manhattan Project and all these other military facilities, you already have the infrastructure there and all the people and underground bases.
And, you know, his property, I'm sure, was probably connected to other facilities through those tunnels.
Which we now know he had tunnels in the Caribbean.
Yes.
Can't make it up.
Let's go to him talking about the soul being like dark matter.
Here it is.
So when you say to me, it's obvious to everyone that there's such a thing as a soul.
Now, if you're part of the Charlatanville, you'll try to explain it to people.
The soul I describe as the dark matter of the brain.
Why is it dark matter?
Because in high-energy physics nowadays, you hear terms of dark matter, dark energy.
Again, terminology.
It's a complicated term.
Why is it dark matter?
Because we can't see it.
That's all.
What do you mean you can't see it?
Well, somehow we see something moving towards this area of darkness.
Something, I can see this thing.
This appears to me to be empty.
It's just black.
But I see it being drawn this way.
So I say, well, I know if this were matter, that would follow that equation.
If this was solid, it would explain the way this particle moves.
But I can't see anything here.
So I'll just call it dark matter.
And I'll say, I don't know what it is, but it behaves as if there was something there.
The soul is obvious to everyone that there's something different between things that are alive and things that are not alive.
But we have no idea what it is.
Metaphysical Realm Drawings00:06:23
It's currently unexplainable.
I believe we need an entirely different system of analysis to try to figure out.
And they've got all this physics, the double slit and all that, where a particle is being observed, doesn't do anything.
As soon as you don't observe, it jumps through matter.
And it's an oversimplification.
But the ancients all knew this.
We all know what's really going on.
There are other dimensions.
They do the dark matter scan with NASA.
We're going to call it dark matter.
There's an energy field approximately five times stronger holding this universe in place.
And so, but he's right that it's what you can't see.
Whatever you, you know, before what you couldn't see didn't exist.
But we know there's all sorts of radiation here and space rays, everything else.
But again, this is where Epstein's really going with all this.
And now you know why he's got occultism on the blackboard and black magic and all that.
Because the ancients, back to Solomon before, were talking to these aliens, demons, chin, to try to get knowledge about the dark matter.
And that's where black magic comes in.
Most scientists today totally discredit the Big Bang theory and can see the intelligent design throughout the creation of the universe and see the mathematic formula.
Well, now they see the universe going in all directions.
It's not going out, like they said.
Correct.
And even with, you know, when a soul leaves a body, they can see that the weight in grams is gone.
And so everybody understands that there is science behind the metaphysical realm.
That's right.
The interdimensional interface with our cells that are electrochemical transceivers is creating an interspersed Coriolis or some type of dimensional effect.
I mean, they've done it tens of thousands of times with the best.
When somebody really dies, they lose quite a bit of weight right there.
It's like, it's not gas.
It's not anything.
There's a pressure of an interface with it.
Yes.
And the where was I?
Sorry, I interrupted.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I was just talking about how, you know, in science, the evolutionary theory of Darwinism and kind of like the unistep of scientists for so long have been to kind of have the Big Bang theory, not believe in this, that there's science behind the spiritual realm.
But when you actually look behind the window of these people that are, you know, transhumanists, they understand their souls.
They know there's God.
They're all deep occultists.
Yes.
And they're, like you said, interfacing with demonic entities on top of it all.
So they're very self-aware of the metaphysical realm and manipulating it to what they would see it to be as their advantage when metaphysical.
And he's telling you, I'm getting top scientists together to try to lift the veil.
Yes.
Collide of revelation.
Yeah, like I said, that is the most wildest thing I've seen out of that interview yet is those past two clips.
That's crazy.
And the average person sees, this is boring.
They have no idea.
This is hardcore.
Yeah, I mean, it's fascinating that this guy is talking about this.
I mean, considering all the terrible things he's involved with to be able to explain how he's trying to learn the science of the soul and explain it.
Now he talks about ESP and telepathy, but he does it in a very provincial way for the public.
But this is talking about the occult right here.
Let's go to clip 16.
It's the failure of science because in fact, to some extent, science doesn't describe romance.
I don't know why I'm attracted to somebody.
I don't know.
People are attracted to each other.
Everyone has the same feeling.
They've seen someone walk in the room and they say, oh, that person gives me a creepy feeling.
Yeah, you.
Science is trying to describe it.
Science doesn't describe what creepy feelings means.
They just know it's a creepy feeling.
This has happened a lot in my life.
Some day everybody, so I'll use the example.
We had like, my family has like 2,000 acres in East Texas, part of our old family ranch we had.
And it's happened a couple times where I ride out on a four-wheeler and I got a shotgun and it's not hunting season.
I'm just out piddling around.
And I'm walking through the woods and I feel somebody looking at me and I turn and 200 yards away, came and see him.
I walk, walk, walk, and there's a guy in a boat standing legally hunting.
He goes, I'll leave, I'll leave, I'll leave.
Then another time it was one of my cousins, cousins, they were hunting on there off season, and I felt the presence because you're like in the woods or whatever.
You're all at a restaurant, you feel something, you turn around and somebody's staring at you.
This is real.
Let's continue with Epstein.
As I said the last time, have an intuitive sense.
What is intuitive?
They have intuition, they have feelings, and they're able to deal in the realm of things that men, especially men like myself, find unexplainable.
They have great, women have intuition.
Men see things a bit differently.
Men want to measure everything.
Women are not really that interested in measuring.
And people over-ascribe that to women.
Women have three times the connections between left and right hemisphere.
So they're more dialed into that.
But men probably on average have even more advanced ESP.
And that's what it is.
And it's 100% real.
Any comments on that?
I believe most humans were designed to be able to have an extra sensory perception.
And I believe that through all of the GMOs and bombardment of brainwashing stuff that we see on television and the fluoride and the water is why they're not able to connect that.
But we all are.
They're definitely trying to suppress it.
We're all supposed to feel danger before we see it.
It's a sense that something doesn't feel right in the air.
It's a real thing.
That's like God trying to warn you before you're in that position that something's there, you know?
And that's been going on for the dawn of time.
I mean, this is in our coding.
This is how we're supposed to behave.
It's what separates us from the dead, things that don't have life.
We are constantly expanding our consciousness throughout our space to pick up whatever may be there and beyond.
It's what we're designed to do.
Sharing the Piece of Pizza00:06:42
I'm going to end this now.
We're just going to air these back to back.
Epstein says people should take his money and brags about vaccine funding in Pakistan.
It's all about being God.
Epstein talks about surrounding himself with the smartest people.
And Epstein has asked if he's the devil.
So just comments on that before we play it.
And then we're going to end this transmission with Doc Chambers, medical doctor, first semester interview Friday.
It's really important to be able to pay attention to this because it's important for you out there.
That's coming up.
But just closing comments, Thomas Siska, I appreciate you being here in Russia today.
Well, I love seeing all the movement in Europe where they're having investigations.
There's people being raided that were involved with Epstein.
And I hope that I forgot about that.
A bunch of countries.
I hope something comes of it.
And I hope they don't kill themselves.
And if there's any dirt that they're willing to give to cooperate, I'd love to see something come out of these files besides what we already have, which is pretty damning enough.
But we also know, like Patrick Byrne had said the other day, there's 3 million other files that there's the real dirt at.
So, you know, this isn't over.
And it's not going away.
It's not going away.
And their only hope is flooding the zone with fake AI.
And then we go, hey, this is fake.
You're covering up.
And no, we're not.
They're covering up.
And the people that are putting this AI stuff out there, they are covering up for pedophiles.
They are the ones that are complicit every time you do that.
And what kind of person would do that?
I mean, what kind of sick, sick, satanic person?
And I got a bunch, not a lot of them, but people are mad at me.
And I'm like, this is fake.
They go, no, it's Trump raping children.
I'm like, it's admittedly fake.
These are public videos of Trump at public events spliced with kids.
Like, what do you want me to do?
Just lie?
Like, these are just people.
It's like the whole Mitch Snow thing.
Total con artist lying.
I was like trying to help Canis saying he's just crediting you.
They're like, but TPU was a killed him.
I'm not saying that couldn't be, but this is bullshit.
I mean, like, you know.
Like, these aren't people that just hate Trump that are trying to paint Trump as the pedophile.
It's people that are actually covering up for everyone that we know.
Well, let's just say it.
If Trump is guilty and I've seen no evidence, this is what they would do.
Right.
How about that?
Trump's doing it.
You know, I don't actually think that, but really start thinking, guys.
This covers up for the bad guys.
By the way, we didn't even get to this.
We've covered it on past shows, but this is just a few overhead shots.
These are a few real emails.
This is a great piece of pizza.
It's really going to pleasure you for all seven of you.
Oh, thank you for the pizza team.
That's kids, okay?
There's hundreds and hundreds of these.
This mirrors the Podesta emails of WikiLeaks.
This is real.
Yeah, where are you?
Are you okay?
I love the torture video.
I mean...
Yeah, overhead shot center.
I think we got an HD copy of that.
There we go.
Where are you?
Are you okay?
I love the torture video.
This is them talking about slicing up the pizza real thin for eight people so they can enjoy it.
Sharing the one piece of pizza.
Yeah.
One slice.
Eat them.
One slice for eight people.
We got WikiLeaks where they're talking about we found the handkerchief, the pizza map, which is code for child pornography.
And then it's like, we will deliver you the seven, nine, 11-year-old for your pleasure, Mr. Podesta, in the hot tub.
Yes.
Here's the woman that delivers the kids.
Yeah.
Looks like she had a little bit too much pizza herself.
Her eyes are twisted from all the six things she's seen.
And the Podesta's brother, full magazine spread, Washington Post, all with kids, Victoria.
Yeah, tell them about this.
So it says, with enormous gratitude to Advanced Man Extraordinaire Haber, I am popping up again to share our excitement about the reprisal of our gang's visit to the farm of Lovettsville.
And I thought I'd share a couple more notes.
We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility.
Bonnie will be Uber service to transport Ruby Emerson and Maeve Lozato, 11, 9, and almost 7.
Talking about years old.
So you have some further entertainment, and then we'll be in that pool for sure.
And with the forecast showing prospects of some sun and a cooler temp of lower 60s, I suggest you bring sweaters of whatever attire we'll enable to use our outdoor table with a pergola overhead so we all dine al fresco and ideally not al chillo.
This is all confirmed, real.
And then you track back the woman to an online site that's point blank what they're selling.
It's disgusting.
And this is all real.
Okay.
Keep going.
And those of you that don't focus on this about fake AI, you are the PO protectors.
Looks like we got a couple copies.
There's another map, yeah.
Oh, here's the one about we're going to all share the piece of pizza.
Oh, yeah.
Let's see if we can zoom in here.
Now, what's weird is we had this pulled up on X.
It's been taken down just since we pulled it up.
So they're slapping down the real stuff, folks.
That's Jim Jones Kool-Aid event.
Yeah.
Does the pizza offer include those of us who can't make the meeting because we're out here editing?
Because if so, count me in.
This email will combust in 30 seconds.
Okay.
And this was a reported interview of a purported Epstein victim interview.
I'd like to add a few other points disclosed by the purported victim while on the yacht.
He witnessed African-American males having sex with white blonde females, all of whom were breeding during bleeding during intercut course.
He was a victim of a type of ritualistic sacrifice in which his feet were cut with a scimitar, but left no scarring on the yacht.
He witnessed babies being dismembered, their intestines removed, and individuals eating feces from their intestines.
He was also raped by George Bush.
Victim disclosed he was escorted to the FBI building by Michael Moore, who's the creator of True Pundit, described by multiple online sources as a conspiracy-driven news website that attempts to paint the FBI in a bad light.
Moore has a criminal record as a result of an FBI investigation.
And there's thousands like that we can't confirm, but it just goes on and on.
That's just the tip of the iceberg.
We'll be covering it more tomorrow.
4 p.m. Central with the Sunday transformation.
Thomas Siska, great job.
Great job to the crew.
But that is an important Epstein interview when you have it decoded and know what you're really hearing.
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I just lost audio.
Am I good?
Okay, good.
All right.
I just lost my feet, but it's okay.
Anyways, God bless you all.
Thank you so much.
And Lord William, I'll see you back tomorrow.
Again, I'm privileged enough to have people around me who've given lots of philanthropic gifts to institutions of higher learning.
And when I said, the impact, how do you judge the impact of your giving?
And we sat down and said, no really new ideas have come out.
And I realized that, of course, it hasn't come out because we've been looking at using science and mathematics, and it's the wrong tool.
It's obvious.
Institutions that are set up and try to put forward knowledge and understanding and truth, should they take your money?
Derek Bach at Harvard said taking money for good causes is a good thing.
So if Hitler, if Hitler took all the gold out of the teeth of the Jews and said, I want to give this to Heidelberg University to fund the Leibniz chairs so that I can study high energy physics, Derek Bach would say that was fine.
Again, these questions are questions where good people on both sides, like your Charlottesville, could differ.
I don't know the answer.
So tell us the two, give us the two answers.
The one answer, why it shouldn't be, and then the one answer, Derek Bach says, I'll essentially take cash from anybody because I've got so many projects, so many good guys, and this is the way I'll do it.
So I'm indifferent to where the cash comes from.
Money's money.
And if I got good guys, I'm the fiduciary says, these are good people, and this is good research, okay?
I'll take the cash from any source, including you.
What's the other argument?
Let me give you that I know in my case.
Is your money dirty money?
If you live it much.
Just ask a question.
Is your money dirty money?
No, it's not.
So, in fact.
Why is it not dirty money?
Because I earned it hotly.
But you earned it.
We went back to this before.
You earned it advising the worst people in the world, right, that do enormous bad things and just to make more money.
So instead of asking me the question, should you take the money?
Because I think it's a legitimate question.
Do you think it's a legitimate question?
Yes, in the water.
Because I think about it, I think you have to, ethics is always a complicated subject.
But I can tell you that with the money I gave to help try to eradicate polio in Pakistan and India, instead of asking me whether that money should be given to these children for vaccines, I think you might want to ask their mothers who received the vaccine, who know their child now won't get polio, and ask them if Epstein should have helped these people.
If we walked into that clinic where they're giving that money out to these people that are the most dire straits of poverty and sickness and told them that the money was coming from a, what are you, class three sexual predator?
Tier one.
Was tier one's the highest and worst?
No, the lowest.
I'm the lowest.
You're the lowest.
Okay, tier one, you're the lowest.
But a criminal.
Yes.
That the money came from them.
What percentage of people do you estimate?
I understand you don't like probabilities.
Do you estimate would say, I don't care, I want the money for my children?
I would say everyone said, I want the money for my children.
Did they know where the money came from?
It's the fact that I lead such a privileged life to come across.
If it didn't happen then, when did it happen?
I'm in a privileged position to have some of the world's smartest people come to my house and tell me what they think about different subjects.
And I finally realized that the thing that they had most in common was there was this area, no matter how smart they were, that when I asked them the questions, they said they'd have to resort to a 500 or 1,000-year-old response to that question, which was, I don't know.
You know who else found that out?
Socrates.
That's what Socrates kept doing, right?
Socrates kept asking all the experts.
He would go through question after question after question and realize at the end they didn't really know.
They really didn't basically understand what they were talking about.
I think if you told them the devil himself.
The devil himself said, I'm going to exchange some dollars for your child's life.
Do you think you're the devil himself?
No, but I do have a good mirror.
It's a serious question.
Do you think you're the devil himself?
I don't know.
Why would you say that?
Because you have all the attributes.
You're incredibly smart.
You remember the devil is what?
The devil's brilliant.
You read Milton's Paradise Lost?
No, the devil scares me.
Satan is the, is the, he is the, he is at the number one or two archangel.
And the reason he goes to hell and leads the rebellion is because he can't be the top guy.
And his thing is, I'd rather reign in hell than serve in heaven.
I saw that in a movie once called The American Dawn.
I don't remember who said it.
Okay?
We have to go.
Okay, good.
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