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| Thank you so much. | |
| All right, let's talk more about the investigation now. | |
| Joseph Giacalone is a former sergeant for the New York Police Department and teaches at John Jay College of Criminal Justice. | |
| And Casey Jordan is a criminologist and behavioral analyst. | |
| All right, good to see both of you. | |
| So almost a week now has passed since the shooting, and we still don't know enough about the motives. | |
| So Casey, how unusual is it for someone perpetuating a massacre like this? | |
| To not let their motives be known, to not leave a manifest or a suicide note, but instead this note of numbers that investigators still want to figure out. | |
| It is relatively unusual, Frederica. | |
| And this list of numbers, I would call it a list more than a note. | |
| I'm not at all convinced that it's cryptic, that it's meant to tell us anything, that the cryptologists at the FBI will be able to decipher it. | |
| It could be mathematical equations for the trajectory of the bullets. | |
| It could be mathematical equations related to probability of getting away with it. | |
| It could be bank account numbers. | |
| If he wanted us to know what was wrong, he would have left a manifesto. | |
| And that is unusual because generally we look for an anomic event, something that broke down. | |
| And very often these mass murders are what we call grudge collectors. | |
| They feel wronged by society and are eager to let us know why they're angry. | |
| But I think he didn't leave any clues because it's more power and control than revenge that motivated him. | |
| And in the end, he wins if he doesn't give us any clues whatsoever about what that motive is. | |
| And so, Joseph, this car of explosives, 1,600 rounds of ammo, 50 pounds of an explosive compound, Does that say that his intention was to detonate that at another location or, you know, that it couldn't just be his getaway vehicle or that it would to be detonated upon his death or departure? | |
| Well, we've seen this in the past where when somebody has done an incident like this where they've actually set up explosives to target the first responders. | |
| Figuring out where they're going to go with inside a perimeter of a location. | |
| And that parking lot would have been one of those locations that law enforcement would have chosen. | |
| And I think law enforcement, you know, going forward has to understand that. | |
| We saw many of these incidents where there were booby traps set up so the police go after these things, right? | |
| They go very cautiously into them because of the booby traps that were set up. | |
| Even the shooting at Columbine High School, they booby trapped the door. | |
| Law enforcement has to be mentally prepared for that, too, as well. | |
| So maybe they need to think of other locations where they want to set up before. | |
| This way, if somebody does plan this, they can prevent that from happening. | |
| And so, Casey, authorities questioning the girlfriend who was overseas at the time of this massacre, Mary Lou Danley. | |
| What would the questions be that you would have for her about How much she might have known or at least witnessed prior to this gunman doing this to people. | |
| Authorities are going to just try to reconstruct what was going on in Paddock's life over the past year, months, maybe several years. | |
| And Mary Lou Danley, who had been with him since 2013, is probably the only person who can really offer us some insight. | |
| I happen to think she's completely blameless in this. | |
| I do think that he had an addictive and perhaps a power-control oppressive personality and that their relationship was probably marked with some emotional and psychological abuse of Mary Lou. | |
| When he bought her a ticket, she got on the... | |
| I think what I'm interested in is knowing what was going on in his life. | |
| Was he decompensating in any way? | |
| Was he exhibiting additional signs of addiction, power control? | |
| And just keep in mind that Mary Lou, we love to blame the person who's still alive, but I really don't think she had any clue. | |
| I think when she says she didn't know, she really didn't know. | |
| And the rest of her life is going to be extraordinarily difficult just trying to second-guess herself. | |
| She may be able to give us some clues. | |
| The police will let us know in the coming weeks if it sheds light on the motive, but I actually believe we may never have the answers. | |
| And you mean in terms of whether he would have expressed to her verbally certain frustrations, anyone or thing he was angry about, or even the motivation about all the collecting of these weapons, or if he had collected all these weapons unbeknownst to her, how much would that say about him? | |
| If she were unable to answer questions about, you know, his behavior of collecting all this ammunition and weaponry. | |
| Well, I think the bottom line is that he did this. | |
| He owned several properties. | |
| He did this without her knowing. | |
| He was a highly intelligent human. | |
| And what we end up wanting is to put a little square in a peg and a peg in a square hole and say, there has to be a reason that explains it all. | |
| But this is going to be one for the textbooks. | |
| I truly believe that this idea that you have such a level of power control that you don't want anyone to ever have the answers. | |
| It's something that we are going to use as a baseline for creating future profiles of massacres. | |
| All right, Joseph Jacalone, Casey Jordan, thanks to both of you. | |
| Appreciate it. | |
| Great to be here. | |
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