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ian carroll
Sixty years ago, John F. Kennedy famously said, I speak of peace.
unidentified
I speak of peace because of the new face of war.
ian carroll
And today, we once again speak of peace because of a new face of war.
Fifth generation warfare, information warfare, the info war, if you will.
And so our governments know that they must manufacture consent for these conflicts in this new war of information.
And today, that is your social media feed.
Your feeds have become the battlefield in the first line of this war that is designed to manufacture consent among the public.
And you may think, I don't pay attention to the politics.
I just watch cat videos.
It's no big deal.
They can't get to me.
And I'm here to tell you that you cannot escape this conflict because being distracted by cat videos is damn near as effective as being dissuaded by disinformation.
Because the military-industrial complex...
That John F. Kennedy warned us all about.
It does not exist on an island.
And when you follow the money, you very quickly realize that the people that own Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, General Dynamics, all the rest of them, are BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, and all of the two big-to-fail megabanks.
That we've been bailing out for the last 30 years.
Conveniently, they also all own each other.
And then you start to think about it and you realize that these very same corrupt financial institutions that are the top owners of the war machine, they also are the top owners of Pfizer and of General Mills and of your car companies.
And of your water utility companies.
They're even the top owners of all of the biggest funerary companies in America.
So that when you have to bury the dead in their proxy wars that come home from abroad, they have a service for you.
Shout out.
All wars are bankers' wars.
In a world of aligned incentives, it is highly profitable to all involved to keep you distracted, to keep you unhealthy, to keep you afraid, to keep you angry with one another.
Because if you're not creating profit in that avenue, you're probably creating it in one of the other avenues.
The information that manufactures the consent...
To allow this to keep on going on is the most important weapon in their arsenal.
And without it, they can do nothing if we do not consent to this governance.
I'm calling on you not to fight with weapons, but to stand and fight in this war with your words.
And rather than manufacturing consent, we can manufacture peace.
Not just peace for our people but peace for all people.
Not just peace in our time but peace in all time.
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Thank you.
Extra, extra.
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Kennedy and Trump.
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It's Kennedy and Trump making America healthy again.
Oh.
Extra, extra.
Thank you.
Read all about it.
ian carroll
Dick Kennedy endorses Trump.
unidentified
Dick Cheney endorses Kamala Harris.
ian carroll
Because there's really only two answers.
And it really comes down to this election.
Either the CIA and the military-industrial complex, the intelligence complex, is too powerful and has too many moves ahead, and they thwart this movement this year, and then, like, I worry we get relegated to fighting indefinitely against this oppressive state apparatus that is just infinitely powerful.
But I don't think that's real.
I don't think that's what's happening.
I think that they're scrambling and doing everything in their power to try to hold this back.
And that this movement...
has just absolutely checkmated the lies and the deception and the corruption.
And I don't think there's any escaping it for them now.
I think that this movement is clearly winning the presidency this time and only picking up momentum.
And I think it's just a natural crack in the barrier because all we've known for the last 30, 40, 50, 60 years is progressively worsening corruption.
And the moment that you walk that back and start to do things for the people...
Then it's I think people can't even imagine the momentum that that will freedom is free
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folks.
Hey, do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior Kamala Harris?
The IRS has endorsed her.
She's going to save the country.
She's going to do all the things that she hasn't done in the last three and a half years to make America great again.
Decoding the New World Order agenda hidden in the headlines, it's Sunday Night Live with your host, Chase Geiser.
chase geiser
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Sunday Night Live.
I am Chase Geyser, joined by the esteemed, the credible Ian Carroll.
What an honor and a pleasure it is to be with you.
Usually when I have guests on any show, I try to keep it to 30 minutes because you never know what you're going to get.
But when Ian told me that he was in town, I asked him to come on for the whole show.
So he's going to be joining me for the next couple of hours.
We're going to talk about God knows what.
Thank you so much.
Let the audience know who you are, what you do, and I'm sure most of them already know who you are.
We've had you on a few times.
Your work's incredible, but just introduce yourself.
ian carroll
Thanks, Chase.
First off, it's great to be in the studio to see the magic happen.
I'm just a dude, really.
Like, I was just a concerned citizen that didn't know what was going on and wanted to learn and realized how little I knew.
And that process of starting to research and share my research, I think, resonated with people because...
We all know there's something wrong, but most of us don't have the time to figure it out.
And it's so buried in layers, in the info war, if you will, that, you know, one thing led to the next, and here we are.
I've definitely, I'm not an expert on anything, but I've slowly been filling in the gaps and just trying to figure out what is actually going on.
chase geiser
Absolutely.
You know, Alex Jones has gotten a lot of things right over the years.
Predicted 9-11 as early as March 6th of 2001, and then again on July 25th of 2001, even telling...
The audience to call the White House and tell them you're not going to fall for it when they blame Osama bin Laden.
That's what he was saying on air in July of 2001. And he was right about vaccines.
He was right about COVID and so much more over the years.
But I always say, both privately and publicly on air, that his greatest prediction ever is the name Infowars.
That there was going to be an information war in this century that was akin to what we experienced in terms of world wars in the 20th century.
That is what the information war is in the 21st century.
Ian, what was the first issue, topic, or for lack of a better term, conspiracy that got you from being just a regular guy to somebody who was a content creator?
ian carroll
I mean, I was a GameStop investor in 2021 and through, and I still have all those shares.
And that experience of investing in a company that has a lot of corrupt financial practices coming in at it.
And then paired with watching all these internet sleuths put in just endless time and effort and collaboration into figuring out what's going on, that was the motivation.
And so when I started making content, I figured, well, money is the root of most of the power in this world.
Money is what controls everything.
So how does that work?
Who owns everything?
And I basically got started on BlackRock Conspiracy Theory videos because if you don't know anything, you start to look at who owns, you know.
Target or Johnson& Johnson or Raytheon, BlackRock is the top shareholder most of the time.
And if you don't know better, it's easy to arrive at thinking that BlackRock is like the final boss and in charge of everything, which is obviously only the first layer of that actual dig.
But in getting there, that was a nice palatable conspiracy theory for a lot of people.
And so I grew really fast.
And I slowly figured out that that was, you know, just the very surface of the answer.
chase geiser
You know, I'm glad that you mentioned BlackRock for a number of reasons.
It's a rabbit hole.
You can go down everything from Thomas Crooks to recent developments with investments.
And we were talking a little bit, just to include the audience, and Ian and I were hanging out for about an hour before the show.
And he asked me what I think of Elon Musk.
And Elon Musk is somebody who I have been and am incredibly impressed with.
And I made the point that, you know, one of the differences between Elon Musk and some of the others, like the Zuckerbergs and the Bezoses and even the Bill Gateses, Who, since the tide has turned, have come onto our side verbally, vocally.
Elon Musk actually made the tide turn.
And so that was kind of my argument for him being what I would classify as a good guy in the information war.
At least now he asked me if I thought he was a wolf in sheep's clothing.
I don't think so.
However, the BlackRock investment in XAI of $5 billion that developed over the last couple of months is...
Something to pay attention to.
I think that when you play at this level, I use the anecdote of the analogy of we had to partner with the Soviets in order to beat the Nazis.
There's only so many players that have the leverage and the power to help you make the moves that you have to make at that macro level.
And so I don't think that this is an indication of...
Of Elon Musk selling out by any means, but I want to explore that with you and gather what you think, Ian, about BlackRock as a whole and whether or not it's a bad move for Elon Musk to be working with him in any capacity.
ian carroll
That's a great line of sort of like geode to crack open because not in Elon Musk and X's case, but in public companies' cases, which X no longer is, but if you're a public company, you actually are often...
Duty-bound by law to accept investment because that is what's best for your shareholders, right?
And so often there's actually, like, we like to follow the money and when you find a connection of like, oh, this guy's invested in that and he's evil, so they must be evil, that, you know, maybe is true, but there's often many more layers to it because you, sometimes you don't have a choice not to accept that.
chase geiser
They had to sell X to, or Twitter, to Elon Musk because it was in the best interest of the shareholders, even though they didn't want to.
Right.
ian carroll
And so when you look at Elon accepting money from BlackRock, in this instance, it is a private company.
And I am no Elon Musk.
I don't understand or know the intricacies of that business arrangement.
But I agree with you that it's not as simple as just saying, oh, the money is there, so therefore they must be aligned.
I think there's endless examples throughout history of people that have played both sides of an issue, of people that have accepted money from...
From a cause and then turn it on that cause.
Time will tell.
Actions will tell.
And that's why it's important.
The way I see it is that it's important to have as much information about the state of play right now as possible so that when the next move comes onto the board, you are more prepared to understand what that move really means.
And so if Larry Fink is investing heavily into XAI and then we see Elon do something that feels...
Very suspicious.
chase geiser
Larry Finkish.
ian carroll
Yeah, very Finkish.
Then that, to me, is the kind of thing that would make me concerned.
But on its surface, I'm far more concerned about OpenAI than I am about XAI. Because realistically, it's closed AI. It's, you know, it's don't be a whistleblower AI. There's all these other issues with OpenAI.
And so I'm far more concerned about those types of issues than I am about, like, BlackRock investing in XAI. That makes a lot of sense.
And let's be clear, we all know that most of the money in this world is hoarded into gigantic piles of money owned by some of the most horrible people.
chase geiser
Sure, the vanguards, Black Rocks, others, right.
ian carroll
And the modern-day robber barons, the bankers, the globalists.
And so, to me, if you're trying to do really big things, which Elon Musk always is, you have to dig a lot deeper than just who did the money come from.
If you want to condemn it, because that amount of money can't come from anywhere but bad places, because that's just where all the money is hanging out these days.
chase geiser
I agree with you.
And if you think about financial incentives for Elon Musk, before he bought Twitter and turned it into X, which is as close to a free speech platform as we've seen, I know that it's not perfect.
There's been de-verification issues and still accounts being banned sometimes.
But it's, I mean...
Night and day compared to what it was when it was Twitter.
Before he bought Twitter and turned it into X, all of his businesses, virtually all of them were heavily tied into government contracting.
Obviously with SpaceX, it's heavily tied to the military-industrial complex.
With Tesla, there was a giant opportunity with him to partner with the Biden administration and fund these electric vehicle incentives.
And he bought Twitter, turned it into a free speech platform, knowing that it was going to alienate him and his businesses from the administration that existed at the time.
So I don't know what his motivation is.
I can speculate.
I have an opinion as to what his motivation is, but it doesn't seem to be exclusively monetary, maybe because he's reached the point where he has FU money and it's just not motivating him in the same way that would motivate middle class people like us.
I think that's a huge indicator that there's a principled approach happening from Elon Musk rather than a monetary incentive.
ian carroll
Can I push back on that a little bit and get your response?
I'm curious what you think of this.
And you're probably already here, too, is that I start to wonder, did Elon Musk have his eyes on XAI before he purchased Twitter in the first place and turned it into X? Sure.
chase geiser
Because of open AI, his feud with open AI? Exactly.
ian carroll
And just understanding that the direction of...
I think that most regular people cannot conceive.
Of how much AI is about to change our lives and the very foundations of every institution that we interact with.
And Elon Musk, I think, is more than intelligent enough to have seen that coming.
And buying Twitter was a massive data purchase for AI and for his AI company.
And so I agree that I think that it was very apparent at the time through his interviews, his words, that he bought Twitter for altruistic personal real reasons.
But it's hard to imagine, like, if you're a businessman that successful, you're probably doing things for more than one reason at a time.
And I can't help but wonder, did he already have his mind on founding his own AI company at that point?
Because by then he already had a feud with OpenAI for good reason.
chase geiser
Sure, but he could have sold out and just stayed on board with OpenAI, and he would have made a lot of money.
I mean, we saw Sam Altman driving around in a, what is it, a $4 million car.
Joe Rogan did a clip making fun of him.
unidentified
Really?
ian carroll
I didn't see that.
chase geiser
Yeah, Sam Altman testified in front of Congress that he wasn't motivated by money, and he was just doing it because he loved it and was seen weeks later driving a $4 million car around.
And Joe Rogan, of course, makes fun of him.
And Elon Musk could have easily sold out since he was in so early on OpenAI and just gone through the globalist, I don't know, path there.
But I do agree with you that it wasn't just because of free speech that he bought X. I think he was also motivated wanting to go to war with OpenAI.
ian carroll
But to your same point, again, we can all remember when Elon bought X and right at the start, there was a whole bunch of controversy, mostly around anti-Semitic speech on X. And there was a large advertiser boycott push on him, as well as other things, I'm sure, behind the scenes.
And he pushed back and gave that famous interview where he told everyone to go F themselves.
And he did not have to do that either.
To me, actions speak louder than words.
And, you know, people change over time.
You always have to be judging what someone's doing and how they're thinking as they go.
But, like, when I look at Elon Musk's actions, you can draw a million conspiracy theories out of it.
And, you know, you can prospect how he will do this bad thing or it will be this conspiracy.
It's like, maybe.
I don't know.
We'll see.
But based upon his actions here and now, today, what I see, I'm stoked.
Super stoked.
Way more so than a lot of these other people that we're talking about.
Definitely more so than Larry Fink.
I mean, if I had to be really frank about Larry Fink and about BlackRock, the thing that concerns me about him is not so much what he's doing with his money right now, because that's kind of like a constant issue.
I am really concerned about Larry Fink's influence on our financial markets through his A-L-A-D-D-I-N. They
sell the services of Aladdin to other financial institutions.
So like Bank of America can purchase Aladdin's services.
JP Morgan can purchase Aladdin's services.
chase geiser
Then it's kind of Aladdin versus Aladdin.
ian carroll
Exactly.
Yes.
And at this point, it depends what source you get, but there's different numbers.
But basically, no matter what source you get...
It's over 50% of the market is interfacing with Aladdin in its trade in some way, on one side of a trade.
chase geiser
So humans are actually in a trade war with artificial intelligence as it stands.
ian carroll
And we have been for decades.
And so Aladdin was first...
like the 90s.
chase geiser
It was probably very rudimentary.
ian carroll
Very rudimentary.
But as it grew and became more and more sophisticated, by the time the 08 financial collapse happened, they call when the 08 financial collapse happened, our government called Larry Fink, the head, the CEO of BlackRock, and asked him to come help them fix this because he understood the securities, the derivatives that caused the problem really well and asked him to come help them fix this because he understood the securities, the derivatives that caused the problem really well And Aladdin was instrumental in determining which banks got all of our taxpayer dollars in
So Aladdin restructured the markets mightily in 2008 and has only grown in its influence ever since.
And Aladdin was invented in a time before true artificial intelligence.
But at this point, I am not entirely clear on whether or not we as a public know.
If Aladdin is an artificial intelligence or not.
chase geiser
Sure.
Well, it depends on how you define it.
Just because it's not a large language model doesn't mean that it's not operating with some autonomy.
Exactly.
But I had no idea that artificial intelligence was used to determine the response to the crash in 2008 and it wasn't determined by human beings.
That's crazy.
ian carroll
Yeah, certainly human beings had a large role in it, but they utilized Aladdin's services to sort of calculate and to...
Finesse all of this.
Because I think that most Americans, we don't have any conceptualization of how complex the global financial system is.
And at this point, like we were saying just a second ago, a huge percentage, like 50% or more, depending who you talk to, is actually just algorithms trading against algorithms, not us interfacing with the market.
And so that goes all the way from us as people that might want to hold our savings in the market in a trade, like hold on to some stocks.
Or it goes all the way up to the prices of goods, to the prices of commodities.
And those sorts of prices can cause starvation by the millions overseas or at home.
Those can cause wars.
Those can cause all sorts of things.
And so the world is becoming more and more opaque.
And Larry Fink is deeply involved in manipulating the financial world through that opacity.
chase geiser
That's crazy.
Well, the other thing that's alarming to me about that is if you have somebody...
Behind the scenes, you know, the intelligence community is always concerned about who's going to be the leader of Russia, who is the leader of Russia because there's such a nuclear power.
But what about the administrators behind this artificial intelligence who, if they wanted to intentionally crash the market, which is something I speculate and suspect, that there is an incentive for the deep state to intentionally crash the U.S. economy so they can blame it on populism.
In fact, it wouldn't be caused by populism.
It would be orchestrated or manufactured.
And there's some evidence, I think, that's come out this week that might reveal that that wasn't the plan for March.
But my point is, if this Aladdin algorithm or artificial intelligence is helping people make money on the market, what if you reverse engineered it to help it orchestrate the collapse of the market?
ian carroll
I think that's 100% possible.
And I think that there's a large number of people, I would include myself in them, that...
I think that that is very likely on the table and has been the plan for a long time.
I mean, we all know that the way that the market has worked ever since the Federal Reserve, at least, is that it goes in cycles of boom and bust, right?
And we've all lived through several of these cycles of boom and bust by now.
Let's be clear.
I'm no financial expert.
I'm not some hedge fund manager.
chase geiser
The experts aren't experts either.
ian carroll
Exactly.
And I'm not purchased.
I can tell you that much.
And so when you really look at the boom and bust cycles of the last decade or so and you look at what we're in right now, we are at the top of the craziest bubble ever.
And the market has been just stuttering ever since Trump came in because it doesn't know what to do.
And I worry not only about a monetary attack on Trump and on this White House by crashing the markets, but I worry about Connecticut.
I mean, we've been kind of on cloud nine since the election.
We've been sort of just soaking in all of the MAGA mania of all these great confirmation hearings and all this.
He's been doing a lot of work.
But I worry that we have not seen the true retaliation from the deep state at all yet.
chase geiser
Sure, I agree with you.
If you look at what happened in 2016, many of us were ecstatic when Donald Trump won.
And what immediately ensued after that was a litany of assaults against him, whether it was Russian collusion, hoax, allegations, impeachment after impeachment, undermining after undermining.
You have McCain rolling in after bringing surgery to undermine the health care reform.
It was really kind of grotesque and macabre to witness what occurred.
And I think that the only difference between then and now is that Trump knows that's coming.
But it's still coming.
They're going to attack Trump on all fronts.
ian carroll
It makes me wonder how much has happened behind the scenes to prepare for that.
And how much of the last three months or so, how much on election day specifically, for example, was...
Actually thwarted attacks that we did not really see because they were thwarted in advance.
And I don't know.
I'm just really curious because so far the ride has been very smooth and I can't help but wonder is it smooth because The deep state's not trying?
Or is it smooth because Trump and his teams are wiser to their ways this time and more prepared to get out ahead of things and to sort of play offense and defense?
chase geiser
There's a third option, too.
Is it smooth because something's coming?
Exactly.
Which is kind of my tendency to believe that.
But I firmly believe, again, this is just, I go for my gut a lot, folks, behind this desk.
I firmly believe that they knew at latest by July that Donald Trump was going to win.
And I think they prepared for that.
And I think there are still some things that are going to be unleashed upon us.
But for the sake of the audience, the last few minutes of this segment before we go to break, can you just share a little bit of the history of OpenAI just so everybody's on the same page about what happened?
Are you familiar enough with that to say?
ian carroll
Absolutely, yeah.
chase geiser
Good.
ian carroll
Yeah, I mean, just the really fast run through is OpenAI was founded with the intention of being an open source, nonprofit, artificial intelligence company for the betterment of humanity for all of us to...
Experience the greatness of AI on a level playing field.
Elon Musk was invested in that, as was Sam Altman, who is the current CEO. After a bizarre coup.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Since then, right?
Absolutely.
And at first, it was all hunky-dory, but then eventually, things got rocky.
Elon left, and it's come out over time that it's because, A, first off, the open...
Source company closed its source code and then it was non-profit and it has transitioned in the last year or two to slowly be for-profit and now it is actually going to publicly IPO and sell shares.
So that's like the epitome of not a not-for-profit.
chase geiser
Right.
ian carroll
So everything about its name and its founding charter that was presumably why Elon Musk bought in.
Is no longer true.
But then, this really weird thing happened last year where there was this...
They fired this guy named Ilya, who was like their top dev developer.
He...
He's an incredibly smart human, and I'm not even smart enough to know how smart he is.
And there was all these rumors flying around that he had seen something he wasn't supposed to.
And then there was this board change around, and all of a sudden, a bunch of really scummy people like Larry Summers were on the board of OpenAI.
It was very confusing, and it's very worth looking into some reporting from the time on what was going on then.
Fast forward till a couple months ago, there was a whistleblower.
Named Suchir Balaji that was going to be a part, a star witness in a lawsuit about basically...
chase geiser
Abended suicide in three rooms of his apartment.
ian carroll
Yeah, yeah.
Very suspicious suicide that by my personal opinion was not a suicide at all.
And so it's all on this backdrop of like Sam Altman's just cruising along.
Not to mention that Sam Altman's sister has been accusing him of sexual assault and abuse when they were children.
For years now, and she just filed a law.
So there's all of these issues that are all sketchy on their own and all lead me to have serious questions on their own.
But when you put them all together, yeah, it's not good.
chase geiser
Well, you have to keep in mind that the only time a nuclear weapon, at least that we know of, was used in a kinetic conflict was when only one nation had a nuclear weapon.
So by decentralizing nuclear power over the course of the 20th century, it might not end well, but it did prevent the use of nuclear weapons again because of the mutually assured destruction.
The same thing is true of artificial intelligence, in my opinion.
I think that artificial intelligence in the 21st century is what nuclear power was in the 20th century.
And Elon Musk, I believe, understood this and it was why he was so supportive in the beginning of OpenAI because he understood that a decentralized use of this technology, which was inevitable, was the only way to prevent this technology from being weaponized in an insurmountable way.
Now that OpenAI has decided that they're going to switch teams, they're going to become redcoats in this AI revolution.
That's why I think Musk saw the urgency to create a competitor, because without something to balance out this nuclear power, it's going to dominate the information war.
ian carroll
I agree completely.
And with AI, the problem is that you need so much money and so much data, so much power to even build an AI at that scope and scale, that it is inherently a centralizing technology.
You and I can't just build an AI if we don't have that infrastructure.
People with that infrastructure can open source it and give it out if they're providing that.
So I am optimistic as you are that hopefully what he's doing with XAI and what he's doing by breaking that open AI monopoly, hopefully that gives the power of AI to all of us so that it can't just be hoarded by the oligarchs and used to oppress us.
chase geiser
The more I talk about this with people like you who are so incredibly bright and observant and thoughtful, the more I realize that what we're witnessing before us, folks, on the political scale are masters at their craft.
The Trumps and the Elon Musks and even the Sam Altman, who I think is a villain, these are like the Michael Jordans of politics and power.
We are seeing some incredible stuff unfold right before us.
Make sure you support us by going to thealexjonesstore.com and stay with us for more on the other side of this short break.
unidentified
2014. 14.
robert f kennedy-jr
There are riots, and it's called the Madone Rebellion in Ukraine, which we're not told that we are financing those riots.
The newspapers never told us, our government never told us.
USAID, which is the CIA front, put $5 billion into funding those riots.
Those riots lead to a coup d'etat against the...
First elected, democratically elected government of the Ukraine.
It was a government that refused to choose sides and to say we're going to be on the side of the West.
So we wanted them out.
A month before that government has overthrown, Victoria Nuland, who's part of the centerpiece of the Neocon ideology and who is now a high-level official in the State Department, has a secret call with the U.S. ambassador.
Which is tape recorded and is now public, which anybody can go and look up, where she is picking the new cabinet for the Ukraine, which for Ukraine, which is, you know, which is a U.S. Western cabinet.
So they're picking the new government a month before the old government is overthrown.
unidentified
Is that how democracy, is that democracy when Tori Newland picks her government?
robert f kennedy-jr
Well, that's that's the point is USAID doesn't really do.
And the CIA don't do democracy.
You know, the CIA has overthrown, I think, 83 governments between 1947 and 1997. That's a third of the governments on Earth, and most of them were democracies.
It doesn't do democracy.
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chase geiser
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Sunday Night Live.
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chase geiser
Joined by the esteemed, the credible, the incredible Ian Carroll.
Obviously, RFK Jr. has been a topic of discussion.
What with all the JFK files that are coming out and the fact that we're going to find out that the CIA was probably involved and others, maybe even allies of the United States.
And it seems like of all of the nominees, he has perhaps been the recipient of the most antagonism and animosity from the left, from the globalists, from the political class as a whole.
Why is it, Ian, that the establishment seems to hate RFK Jr. so much?
ian carroll
Where do we even start, Chase?
Well, to start, most people aren't familiar with RFK's history and his long career of fighting against, legally fighting against multinational corporations in a court of law and taking their money.
And that goes from everything.
Like he was an environmental lawyer for most of his life.
He helped clean up the Hudson River.
And he has personally sued a huge number of the multinational corporations that run this world.
He's also sued the CIA successfully.
And so he is a threat and he's always been a threat.
But for a long time, he was just a little thorn in their corporate side.
He's just a lawyer.
But now that he's getting into the halls of power where he is, that threat is multiplied a thousandfold.
Because I think that we are all, if we didn't already know, if you're not an InfoWars OG, you might just now be realizing how tied together the corporate world of corruption and control is, as in...
This company makes money.
For example, the food companies, they make so much money selling us all this food, but they're also poisoning us and pharma is profiting off of that poison.
chase geiser
They're in bed together.
ian carroll
And then oil is selling.
And so there's all these connected profit incentives and structures.
And what RFK is bringing to the Maha table right now, it threatens all of them.
So there's that angle, is the profit angle.
But then there's also the Kennedy angle and the JFK files.
And I think that there are a number of other groups, primarily the intelligence communities, the CIA, and possibly other foreign allies of the United States that don't want their involvement to be made public.
And I think at this point, we all are pretty well aware of what that involvement might and probably is.
And so if those documents get declassified, I think that's just the start of a long and not so graceful fall.
For the CIA and others.
chase geiser
You know, what you said makes me want to play a clip.
I want to show clip number three right now just for some context, and I'll tie it in and I'll pitch it to you.
It'll make sense in the context of this RFK thing.
Let's run clip number three.
kurt metzger
Dude, when those files come out, the JFK ones, because, you know, how much is going to come out?
The reason they overclassify, I think, is you don't need that much.
Threads to pull, to pull it apart.
And much smarter than people than me just do that all the time.
And you can still find them.
And so when these new files come out and, you know, here's what I'll bet.
It'll be a lot of shit to go through.
A lot.
Oh, yeah.
I always think of that thing you told me of Judge Napolitano about if you saw what I saw, you wouldn't release it either.
unidentified
Yeah.
kurt metzger
Now, I think I know what that means, but I don't, obviously.
ian carroll
What do you think it means?
kurt metzger
Oh, I think it's Monarch, dude.
I think it's part of Monarch.
I hope it is.
I hope they're going to get that off their chest, that MKUltra never ended.
I hope we're going to get that off our chest.
Because all UFO shit is directly with that.
And I don't know which parts are the mind-control shit.
chase geiser
Now, I'm not sure what year it was.
My intuition is that it was 1973 that MKUltra was revealed to be a thing.
And for those in the audience who don't know, I'm sure you all know because you're InfoWarriors.
MKUltra was a CIA, deep state-backed...
Program designed to do psychological experiments on large swaths of populations without those populations knowing.
Some of it was propaganda based, some of it was LSD based, and there's so much more.
Now, when it came out that this program existed, similar to what the Nazis did at the end of World War II, our own establishment, Deep State, said we're not doing it anymore, and they deleted...
Like 90% of all the documentation around it.
The reason I wanted to show that clip and bring that up is A, I still think MKUltra exists.
I just don't think it's called that.
And B, my concern with this JFK documentation is what's to say that the CIA doesn't do the exact same thing that it did with MKUltra and just delete all the documents before they're released?
ian carroll
Absolutely true.
First off, shout out Kurt Mesker.
Funny dude.
Great dude.
Love him.
And what a prescient take on the JFK files that most people aren't giving.
Because so many people are just...
Focused on the CIA and the Mossad that not as many people are thinking about those sort of more intricate layers to what exactly are we talking about declassifying about the CIA or about Mossad.
And you're absolutely right that MKUltra, like, so just let's put it this way.
You are working on the technology to mind control anyone you want and have them do anything you want.
And you could do that in all sorts of different ways.
If you were to develop the technology to mind control people, how would the government ever give up that power?
Ever.
Sure.
chase geiser
Or allow it to be revealed that they had that power.
ian carroll
And the moment that Richard Helms, the director of the CIA at the time, found out that there were going to be inquiries and the church committees were coming and all of this stuff, he went and burned and destroyed all the documentation that he could find.
So to clarify what you just said earlier, Chase said that they destroyed like 90-something percent of the files.
What Richard Helms, the director of the CIA at the time, did is he destroyed every file he could get his hands on.
Sure.
It also happened that there were other files hidden away that he didn't know about at the time.
And those are the files that we have.
But if he'd had his way, there would be zero documentation.
And so you're absolutely right.
It's like, what is to say that the JFK files that we're going to get are going to be the actual whole, like, how will we know?
chase geiser
Right.
And that's why would they even document it in the 60s what they did?
ian carroll
Bingo, right?
And I suspect that a lot of it is not documented.
A lot of it is, you know, they're not stupid.
But like Kurt said, it does not take a whole lot of It's hard to say if we're going to get declassification all the way down to a Monarch program level of understanding of what happened, but I think that we're at least going to get a level of understanding that there were players involved beyond just the...
Like at this point...
The public disclosure is sort of like Lee Harvey Oswald, as well as now we kind of have a bit of public disclosure about LBJ. A couple of the other, you know, affiliated groups there.
But getting hard, concrete confirmation that the CIA, CIA officers specifically, which would probably be George H.W. Bush, among a couple of his other friends, and possibly some involvement from Israel, those two things would be really big.
chase geiser
And there didn't even have to be I'm not saying that there wasn't.
There probably was.
But there didn't even have to be involvement from Israel in the assassination of JFK for Israel to have been a variable that incentivized or catalyzed the decision to do this.
So you have to keep in mind, folks, that at the time JFK was assassinated, he was trying to stop the nuclear proliferation of Israel.
Wanted Israel to have nuclear power because they thought that it was a stalwart or an obstacle against the nuclear expansion of Russia.
So the idea was if we have an ally in the region that can counter Russia if we are struck by nuclear power, then that puts us in a better national security situation.
So the way the deep state operates is both Machiavellian and utilitarian.
It's Machiavellian in the sense that the end justifies the means, and it's utilitarian in the sense that...
Therefore, what is good in their eyes for the most people justifies an infringement of the rights of a minority group.
They totally believe in the concept of killing one innocent person to save nine innocent people.
And so if the national security apparatus, which is a conscious organization without a conscience, believes that it's a national security threat for Israel not to have nuclear power because of the rising Soviet threat.
They will justify doing something like assassinating a president of the United States to ensure that that national security threat doesn't escalate because they are a conscious organization that operates without a conscience.
ian carroll
100%.
And honestly, like right now online, there's all of this fervor around Israel's involvement with JFK assassination.
And I think that it's just so, like partly, I think it's so loud because it's not, it's like one of the ones that is not yet.
Openly acknowledged.
Like, we already all kind of know the CIA was involved.
But I'm being really honest.
I kind of think that the CIA's involvement is a more egregious crime and more worthy of our condemnation in that specific case.
chase geiser
Sure.
ian carroll
That is murdering our own commander-in-chief.
And it's pretty clear at this point, at least in my opinion, that George H.W. Bush, the future president of this...
chase geiser
The only man on Earth who doesn't know where he was when JFK was assassinated.
ian carroll
Right?
Like, he's one of the highest level individuals in our country.
For him to be involved, that is an egregious crime against our country.
And LBJ, the guy who literally inherited the presidency from him, like, the level of criminality, and I don't mean crime in terms of you broke the law.
I mean crime in terms of you offended the nature of the human species, the nature of our country.
chase geiser
Yeah, it was a moral calamity.
ian carroll
I think that getting any level of confirmation about any of our American people's involvement in it, It should spell the serious examination of the CIA as an institution.
Because let's remind ourselves that there has only ever been one look under the hood of the CIA. And that was the Church and Pike Committees.
Before then, it was a complete black box full of murder, assassinated.
Exactly.
Just all these programs, they got that little peek in with the Church and Pike Committees.
And when you look into the Church and Pike Committees, how much did we find that was absolutely unacceptable?
It was ridiculous.
And so then ever since then, it's been a black box.
And when we look at all of the psyops, all of the things, like I've got some questions about 9-11, for example.
chase geiser
Sure.
ian carroll
About some apparent CIA protection that was being run to throw the FBI off the trail of these bombers, whatever the heck happened.
And so I think it's ridiculous that we haven't already had a serious...
Truth and reconciliation moment with the CIA and the intelligence agencies up to this point.
But I would hope that a declassification of the JFK files could help be part of what gets us to that moment.
chase geiser
I agree.
And I think that when prior to Trump's first assassination attempt, the one where he was actually shot in the face, I think he was naive enough to believe in the argument that, all right, the CIA is not the same organization that it used to be.
It's an incredibly important organization, and if I release this information, it's going to totally undermine our intelligence apparatus, which is incredibly important.
I think that's what he believed, and I think that Pompeo convinced him of that.
Pompeo's an evil bastard.
We can get into that in another segment, but I think he believed it.
And then when they shot him, he immediately stood up and said, fight, fight, fight.
Not as some broad stroke response to what happened, but because I think he instantly realized, they just tried to do to me.
What they did to JFK. And by they, he meant inside his head.
He knew it was the deep state.
And I think this time, we're seeing him eager to release this information, even going so far as to do the symbolic gesture of giving the pen with which he signed the executive order to RFK Jr. because he knows they tried to kill him.
And he is going to bring them down, I think.
But what's your take on that?
ian carroll
I agree completely.
I mean, and I think it's important not to leave out the fact that Trump was close with John F. Kennedy Jr. Trump had a relationship with that family.
And now that he has a relationship with Bobby in present day, it's sort of, I can't help but wonder if that's not sort of an emotional connection to the storyline too.
And watching him give that pen as a gift to RFK, to me that implied that he understands the deeper symbology, like the deeper...
The kind of broad stroke storyline that spans generations and the highest halls of American power.
In a lot of ways, I feel like we're about to get truth and reconciliation for one of the most egregious crimes that's ever been committed against America in our history, which is the killing of JFK. I want to get back into RFK a little bit because for at least 18 months before he endorsed Trump,
chase geiser
I was somebody who was very vocally antagonistic toward RFK Jr. And I would cite things, I wouldn't really do the low blow of going back to his controversial journal about his affairs and stuff, because everybody has some thorn in their side, some moral weakness, and I don't like to throw stones because I'm not a better person than RFK Jr. just because I don't have the same problems, right?
ian carroll
Well said.
chase geiser
That being said, I was perturbed by things like the fact that his...
First wife, I believe, committed suicide in the family barn.
And then allegedly after they had a very public funeral, her body was moved to an isolated part of the cemetery.
I thought that was, I interpreted that to be cold and crass.
I was very perturbed by the fact that he had a former CIA operative as his campaign manager who also happened to be his daughter-in-law.
And I'm thinking to myself, why would you let anyone marry into your family who is from the organization that assassinated?
At least one member of your family.
And so the whole time I was like, he's sent by the Democrats to split the vote, to pull votes away from Trump of people who are antagonistic toward Trump because of the vaccines.
And there's a lot of people on the right who don't trust Trump because of Operation Warp Speed and Kennedy is the perfect way to pull votes away and then just allow the Democrats.
That's what I thought.
Then he came out and did this endorsement.
I was like, oh man, I was just wrong.
But that being said, how do you reconcile some of these issues that I mentioned, these questions?
Particularly about the CIA involvement in his campaign.
What are your thoughts on what's really going on there?
ian carroll
I had the same questions as I discovered them.
You were aware of them before I was because you've been doing this for so much longer than me.
And so the first thing I did was partially because the opportunity arose is I tried to get to meet them in person.
And I went and met Nicole Shanahan in person.
And I also interviewed Bobby and kind of just tried to get the vibe.
And when I met Nicole Shanahan in person, I was overwhelmingly impressed by her and by her whole team and by what they did publicly in front of the screens, as well as what they said and did privately behind the scenes.
And obviously, you can be fooled.
You never really know.
But Nicole Shanahan does not come from a political background.
And it's immediately apparent right when you meet her that this is not a politician.
This is a woman who's standing in front of me.
This is a mother.
This is just a person.
Reconcile all of RFK's flaws or the things that I disagree with or don't.
But I do seek to understand them.
And so the really good example of one is the CIA thing.
And if the CIA has put someone into his campaign, if the CIA truly did put her in there to manage the campaign, obviously that'd be the biggest red flag in the world.
But actually, when you meet her in person, which I've only briefly done, but she's very warm and kind and lovely.
And then, have you ever read her book?
chase geiser
No, I haven't, but I'm aware of it.
ian carroll
It is a good book, dude.
chase geiser
She was in Japan for some time, right?
ian carroll
She was all over the world.
She was a specialist in, particularly in selling nuclear weapons.
This sounds funny.
She was a specialist in...
Selling nuclear components to terrorists.
And what that means is she was in the business of conducting espionage and keeping tabs on the nuclear illegal arms trade.
And so she was out there like literally just like out there being a solo single woman getting involved with nuclear arms dealing all over the world.
And it's an incredible book.
And when you read it.
chase geiser
And she did catch some hell for that book from the CIA. I bet she did.
ian carroll
I bet she did.
Because you can't read that book and not come away with it like this is actually how this woman feels and thinks and is.
This is clearly not a fabricated accounting of what's going on here.
And I think that most people that walk away from reading that book would have a lot of respect for her.
And I certainly did.
And I know her husband Bobby.
Bobby's son, RFK's son.
And all around, all of these people that like, sure, at first I was like, CIA? I don't know.
But in actually getting into the details, I realized, oh, that's not a problem to me at all.
It's something I understand quite well because I think we all know, for example, we know that when you talk about a soldier, that's probably an honorable person.
Most American soldiers are amazing human beings.
chase geiser
They're not responsible for the war.
ian carroll
Exactly.
They're not the ones that are causing this problem.
And they certainly probably don't even know about this problem.
But there might be some soldiers that get involved in some special task force that go off and do some weird CIA projects.
Certainly there are bad apples in the bunch.
But I think...
The CIA might be a little more corrupt than the military, but there are plenty of good CIA officers.
There are plenty of good people in all these government organizations.
And the problem has never been, at least mostly not, the entirety of any of these institutions.
It's the ability to have compartmentalized splinter groups within these organizations, particularly in the intelligence world where you can have classifications that just run for days into a dark corner where no one can ever access.
In RFK, certainly there's lots that I don't love and don't agree with, but I'm working on getting closer and closer to there not being any part of it that I don't understand.
chase geiser
Sure, that makes sense.
That satisfies me.
I mean, look, if you say that it was cool, it's cool.
I haven't read her book, but I understand what you're saying about having read it and met her.
Obviously, he's not a CIA plant because if he was, he wouldn't be so universally opposed by the political class and he wouldn't have endorsed Trump.
Trump is anything but CIA. And I think it's obvious that there's a schism happening in the intelligence community between white hats and black hats, whether it's in the FBI or the CIA or the NSA or the whole apparatus as a conglomerate.
And I think one of the most telling examples that proves this interpretation of what's happening is the fact that on the one hand, there was the prosecution of Epstein.
And then on the other hand, there was the hiding of everyone on the Epstein list.
And it's like, okay, if the intelligence community just universally, every one of them, wanted the Epstein thing to go away, then they never would have prosecuted in the first place.
So you have these people that are trying to prosecute the bad guy.
And then within the same organizations and entities, you have these people that are trying to cover up what the bad guy did.
There's obviously, I think, a subversive and underground civil war happening right now on our own intelligence.
ian carroll
I think you're absolutely right.
And I suspect that, obviously there's speculation, but I suspect that...
It's because the problems have gotten so bad and the corruption has drawn us so deep down the hole that more and more people within those agencies, within the intelligence community, cannot turn away from or turn a blind eye to just how evil the corrupt parts of it are.
Whereas maybe 20 years ago, you could be a good guy in the CIA and not really have to come to grips with the fact that there's all this other stuff going on too.
Whereas now, it's like you really have to look at the state of our country, the state of our world, and realize that it is on.
It is white hats and black hats, and you can either be here or there.
But what you said about people, this sort of this change...
This change coming over us, it reminds me of what Brett Cooper did with her first episode back.
I don't know if you saw it.
chase geiser
I didn't watch it, but I'm aware.
ian carroll
I mean, she doesn't really overlap with the Infowars audience at all, but Brett Cooper's this new, young, up-and-coming personality, and she got canceled from the Daily Wire, a whole bunch of drama, and she started her own show.
And she just came back, and her first episode had this really weird decision to call out right-wing cancel culture, which at first was very confusing, but then it was like...
She was calling out the fact that if we're trying to change the world and then when someone changes their mind, you act like they're evil.
Like, no, you're not allowed to change your mind.
Go back over there where you belong.
Like, that means you're never going to change anything.
And so I thought it was really prescient and a great leadership step to remind us all, even though she's young and not at the front of this movement, guys, you have to be willing to let people come to the side of good.
You have to be willing to let someone take off the black hat and put on a white one and certainly be skeptical.
Certainly watch them carefully.
Certainly don't just trust them.
But, you know, if you don't let people change, then you're never going to change anything.
chase geiser
100%.
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unidentified
But Doge, I think great progress has been made.
donald j trump
We're talking about cutting over a trillion dollars of waste.
We're talking about waste.
We're not talking about we're going to love and cherish Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.
We're not going to do anything with that other than if we can find some abuse or waste, we'll do something, but the people won't be affected.
unidentified
It'll only be more effective and better.
donald j trump
And our country, as our country gets richer, the people on Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, those people are going to be more secure.
If Biden had gotten elected, Social Security was going to fail because the country was failing.
Who was going to fail?
unidentified
The country was going to fail.
Tonight, Sunday Night Live unveils the hidden truths behind today's headlines with your host, Chase Geiser.
chase geiser
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Sunday Night Live.
unidentified
I am Chase Geiser, joined by the esteemed Ian Carroll.
chase geiser
You know, I want to get into Doge and Trump's first 13 days in office.
We're coming up on the two-week mark.
I think he's accomplished more in the last two weeks than perhaps any president has, maybe even in four years, it seems like.
This Doge thing is very interesting to me because I'm someone who basically refused to pay taxes under the entire Biden administration, not just because I don't believe in the income tax, but because I don't like billions of my dollars going to Nazis in Ukraine.
And it seems like we're approaching a place where the Trump administration may actually attempt to replace all income tax with tariffs.
What do you think about Doge, what's happening in the first 13 days?
ian carroll
This is a funny analogy, but I said I was a GameStop investor earlier.
And there's this kind of meme in the GameStop world where we're still waiting for the big short squeeze.
And some people have different theories.
And, but it's like, I'm at a point, like, I can't, that's too crazy to believe.
Like, you can never really believe it.
chase geiser
It's too good to be true.
ian carroll
And so even when it's like, oh, it's going to be tomorrow, it's like, I can't believe it, dude, even if it was.
And that's how I feel about a lot of what Trump is doing, especially the stuff with income tax, because it just seems like, for, like, imagine if an abolish the Fed bill actually started to get some traction.
We thought, oh my gosh, the Fed might be dissolved.
That would be unbelievable.
And even if we had, like, even if Trump fully says, commits, yes, income tax is going away, tariffs are replacing it, I still won't believe it until, like, 20 days after it's done.
Because that just seems, we've been told ever since we were born, like, the IRS might be the most fundamental institution in our country in a cynical way.
chase geiser
I want to change it to the External Revenue Service.
ian carroll
I love it so much.
He even came up with a good name for it.
chase geiser
Yeah, so.
Here's where I struggle.
Obviously, I hate the Federal Reserve.
I hate fractional reserve banking based off of a fiat currency.
And I hate income tax.
I think by principle, it's a violation of my rights.
I think it's a violation of the 13th Amendment, frankly.
If one out of every four days that I work, I work for the federal government, then I'm not exactly not a slave.
I'm just a part-time slave, right?
That being said, and I've had the audience of this broadcast do an exercise, which I did.
I went to chat GPT. God bless OpenAI.
And I asked it, what would happen if the United States government suddenly paid off all of its debt and never accrued more debt?
And what it described to me was a litany of economic disaster after economic disaster because the economic system that we have in place is...
A Ponzi scheme, therefore it's dependent on debt and GDP just keeping up with the interest rates.
It has to get bigger and bigger and bigger because if it stops expanding, then it implodes.
And I could get into how I think all of the military conflicts that we've been in since the end of World War II, the Second World War, have been because of our monetary system and the fact that it's a lie.
And so I love seeing what Doge is doing by cutting spending.
And I love seeing what Trump is doing by finding a way to replace the income tax.
My concern is, what is going to be the system that replaces this current monetary system?
It's not going to be some digital central currency because he's signed an executive order making that illegal.
But there has to be a change in the fundamental economic system in order for these corrections to not cause a catastrophe.
What are your thoughts on that?
ian carroll
In some ways, the point is to cause a catastrophe.
And as just one example, if we were to stop overpaying for military hardware, the amount that we are grifted by the military-industrial complex...
unidentified
Sure.
chase geiser
I mean, even Zelensky came out and said that he doesn't know where like $75 billion is.
ian carroll
Yeah, to the point where you're paying like $40,000 for some washers to put on the plane or whatever.
You know, we all know the stories about how much...
Price gouging the military industrial complex is doing to our government, which is our tax dollars.
And so if Doge were to fix that problem, stop the price gouging and pay what you're supposed to pay for all the little parts that we're putting together to make planes out of, that might destroy the business model of...
These military industrial contractors.
I mean, they probably actually have gigantic piles of cash hiding around that they can just dip right into.
But the goal is to take away all of those profits because those profits are illegal and they shouldn't exist.
And we want them to leave.
And so there's a fine line between like, are we going to break something?
And we're trying to break something.
Because you want to break the right things, but you don't want to break things that are essential, that can't be recovered.
And, you know, I like to think that It is in good hands with Elon and his team.
Certainly, they know more than I would.
But it's unprecedented.
It's like we have never seen an operation like this in American history ever before.
And so it's really hard to say what's going to happen.
When will they stop?
chase geiser
Sure.
Well, I was someone who was very pleased with all the executive orders that were signed over the course of the first 14 days.
I mean...
It was just like winning on top of winning.
I could not believe.
And not just the fun stuff like the JFK assassination stuff, but virtually everything that he signed.
Reversing all the Joe Biden stuff, actually doing something about protecting the border, getting rid of DEI. There were hundreds.
I couldn't even begin to name all of them.
That being said, one of the things which is no fault of Trump's that alarmed me about it was we have just witnessed the extraordinary and disproportionate power of the executive branch.
I don't think that our founding fathers I agree with all of them.
And I'm glad that Trump is using the system to reverse great injustice and corruption.
I'm just hoping to see by the end of his term some fundamental systemic change to prevent some leftist or globalist in 2028 from coming in and doing exactly what Trump did in the opposite direction.
ian carroll
That is such an important point, Chase.
And it is an important nod to sort of the more cogent Trump More cogent criticisms of Trump right now on the internet, which is that even if he does all the best things in the world with this, the changes he's making,
everything from like the power of the executive branch and kind of power overreach, you know, depending on your opinion, but also things like digital currencies and this, all the changes that might be happening to our monetary system, things like the surveillance state, Things like Elon Musk's level of power that like these are all concerns that, you know, right now they feel pretty unfounded the way they're being leveled at the Trump administration.
But it's really hard to look ahead to the future and understand how will these powers be used in the future against us, especially as more and more of our.
chase geiser
I guess just as they've been used in the past against us.
ian carroll
That's true.
chase geiser
I mean, we saw executive order after executive order from Biden.
In fact, guys, get clip number 35 ready because I'd be remiss not to show the audience this.
I'm going to have to read it because it is subtitled.
This came out in the last 24 hours.
This is Zelensky saying he has no idea what happened to like half the money, if not more.
Let's watch.
Look, when I hear, and I heard before and today we hear from the United States of America, this is Zelensky speaking, that America gave Ukraine hundreds of billions, 177 to be more precise.
unidentified
That's what the exact figure sounded like, which was supported or voted by Congress, etc.
chase geiser
Look, as the president of a warring country, I tell you, we received just over 75. So there's a hundred billion dollars that he doesn't even know what happened to it.
And honestly, as full of shit as Zelensky is, I believe him.
I think he doesn't know.
I think he's been paying off people so he doesn't get assassinated for sending countless hundreds of thousands of soldiers to the meat grinder.
I'm sure he's been paying off his own cabinet, but probably not to the tune of $100 billion.
He probably really doesn't know where tens of billions of dollars went.
And we can gripe all day about Doge or executive orders, but then when I see something like that, I'm like, alright, sign it.
You know what I mean?
ian carroll
And to be fair, that is the nature of the system.
This is the endless criticism of government that libertarians will never stop championing for good reason, is that when you have a public system like an institution, like all these government institutions, there's no incentives for anyone to save any money.
The money is allocated, and there's so many opportunities to grift, to steal, to embezzle, to commit fraud.
And after decades and decades of it happening, especially in the military-industrial complex's context, Why wouldn't someone siphon a little bit of money off of the Ukraine aid money?
It's passing through so many hands on the way to basically just becoming a tank that'll get blown up anyways.
Let's not forget.
chase geiser
It's easy to steal money when you know it's going to result in the death of innocent people.
ian carroll
Exactly.
And we should not forget that the money that is going to Ukraine and most of these other countries often in military aid, it's actually not going to them.
It's going to our American defense contractors in most instances.
Those are direct payoffs of my tax dollars, your tax dollars.
chase geiser
It bounces right back.
It goes to Ukraine, right back to us, and then they owe us the money that we gave them, so we get paid twice.
ian carroll
Bingo.
And all those tanks, all those weapons, everything that they're buying from that military industrial contractor, the point is for it to go to war and get blown up so that we need to buy another one.
That is the profit-making scheme.
chase geiser
Crazy thing is, though, if Zelensky is saying, as he just did, that he doesn't know where $100 billion of it went...
That is going to be the argument that he or someone else in Ukraine uses when they refuse to pay us back for the money that we supposedly lent them.
Okay, well, we'll pay you back for the $77 billion, but we're not going to pay you back for the $100 billion that we could never find, that we could never use.
Technically, we never borrowed it.
So he's already setting the stage for a post-war Ukraine-U.S. relationship where he's going to argue that he doesn't have to pay back as much as he actually owes us.
ian carroll
I think Zelensky is going to find out what happens when you cross the global banking elite.
chase geiser
It's only a matter of time before he gets whacked.
ian carroll
Yeah, that's a bad part.
chase geiser
You don't go into business with the CIA as a foreign leader and survive very long, especially in this level of conflict.
I want to show clip number 43 since we're talking about the first couple of weeks of Trump's administration.
Obviously, there's been a lot of appointments that have happened.
Hegseth was a very close one.
Looks like RFK Jr. is going to be a very close one as well.
I just want to get your take on what we heard from Pete Hegseth in this short clip 43. Drug cartels have been declared terrorist organizations.
brian kilmeade
And if you find that, and we know if there's al-Qaeda, we're going to hit them.
I don't care if you're in Somalia, Sudan, or in Syria.
If we find that they continue to fire at our border control, and they continue to put fentanyl into our country, as the Secretary of Defense, are you permitted now to go after them in Mexico or wherever they are?
pete hegseth
Brian, I don't want to get ahead of the president, and I won't.
But that's ultimately going to be his decision.
But let me be clear, all options will be on the table.
If we're dealing with what are designated to be foreign terrorist organizations who are specifically targeting Americans on our border, and we're finally securing our border.
We've been securing other people's border for a very long time.
The military is orienting, shifting toward an understanding of homeland defense on our sovereign territorial border.
That is something we will do and do robustly.
So we're already...
chase geiser
So I like Hegseth, and I like the idea of a strong American military and a safe border, but I'm also very concerned about neoconservatism, and I'm not calling Hegseth a neoconservative.
I don't think that he is.
But I've heard words over the course of the last 25 years like terrorist, terrorist threat, war on terror, weapons of mass destruction, that have justified the United States being at war with...
Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, regime change after regime change, assassination after assassination, with those words.
Now, it's obviously very different when we're talking about an adjacent country that is invading the United States to the tune of tens of millions of people.
I understand that, but I just wanted to hear from you, Ian, as someone who's as skeptical, if not even more skeptical than I am, what you think when you hear that kind of language from the Secretary of Defense?
ian carroll
It's a tough one.
This is a really good clip.
This is a great thing to bring up.
I do a lot of research into intelligence agencies specifically because there's so much to do, but I do a lot of research into organized crime too because that is kind of the other wing of the same bird of intelligence agencies.
And I agree that it's concerning to hear him speaking about using our military for terrorist threats in Mexico.
It's like, where does that stop?
Where's the line, right?
What power creep are we opening up there?
But the issue is that...
The cartels need to be addressed.
And I think a lot of Americans don't realize that for the last, I'm not sure of the exact number of years, but the new president of Mexico is the successor to the exact same party as the previous president of Mexico.
And the party that she represents and that her predecessor represented for two terms is...
Their stance on the cartels was hugs, not bullets.
That's literally their slogan.
It basically was a policy of, if we try to do anything about the cartels, we just cause more bloodshed, so we're not going to do anything about them.
We're going to focus on the good and let the cartels just do their thing.
It's really hard to look at any version of what the current party in Mexico, what their...
A hundred percent.
So when you are dealing with this with a Mexican presidency that is in bed with the cartels and literally letting them run the entire northwestern section of the country, as well as other parts, too, that is a thing that needs to be addressed.
And cartels are not just, you know, they're not a little gang.
They are a like highly militarized fighting force with very organized, very militant hierarchy.
chase geiser
They take orders.
I mean, it's a mafia.
ian carroll
And they are smuggling drugs and people directly into our country.
This is not the same as an Al-Qaeda over in...
chase geiser
Maybe Saddam Hussein has gas.
ian carroll
It's not that.
We very clearly know where the fentanyl, the human trafficking, where all that's happening.
We very clearly know.
And not because we got some little cable from an Israeli asset that passed it to a CIA asset that passed it to Condoleezza Rice.
This is...
A serious present threat to our safety, to our kids.
Every child that dies from a fentanyl overdose, every American adult, elderly person that dies from a fentanyl overdose, all of that is an act of war via the cartel from our adversaries foreign and domestic.
chase geiser
I'm glad that you framed it in the way that you did because I think this might be among the first times that I've heard of people actually understanding That the cartel and the Mexican government are in bed together.
Obviously, there's always been corruption and there's been weakness from the government to push back against the cartels.
But now I think what we are seeing is collaboration.
I'm going to show clip number 49 here in a second because I think this ties into the tariffs.
I don't think that it's a coincidence that we're hearing all of these escalatory remarks.
If escalatory is a word, it is now.
ian carroll
Yeah, it is.
chase geiser
These escalatory remarks from the cartel threatening to use drones on the American people, similar to the drones that are used in the Ukraine-Russia conflict.
In conjunction with the fact that we've just slapped fat tariffs on Mexico because they've been basically fucking us for years, especially the last four years.
But this is clip 49 breaking down the tariffs here.
unidentified
Hey, liberal fruitcakes.
See a lot of you crying over tariffs, saying it's going to destroy the economy.
Want to look at trade economics?
First, a tariff is a tax imposed on a country's imported goods and services.
The United States only imports 15% of goods and services internationally.
The rest is domestic!
Now, a lot of you are concerned about what's happening with Canada and Mexico.
Well, you remember that 15% I talked about?
Canada and Mexico only produce 5% of that.
That means between both of them, they only produce 5% of the United States' GDP. So guess what?
This trade war is going to turn both of those places into a third-world country, although Mexico already is one.
Now the reality is we don't want that.
But the United States is tired of being taken advantage of by the countries who are refusing to pay their fair share.
And we all know you guys want fair share.
And tariffs are a way of achieving that.
Now let's look at Canada.
20% of the GDP of Canada comes from the United States trade agreements.
And 75% of their trade happens with the United States.
Now that means if prices go up because of imported goods from Canada, Americans are going to refuse to buy them.
Meaning, Canada's not going to make any money.
And as we're 75% of their trade, that's going to be detrimental to their economy.
And Mexico doesn't even remotely have a leg to stand on, with 40% of their GDP tied into American export.
Now I know you're going to say that Canada's threatened to turn off power to Americans.
Well, we'll just raise the tariff.
They're not going to turn it off.
Do you know why?
Because Canada's utilities is $55 billion in debt, which means they can't afford to turn off the United States' power.
Now you're going to say that other countries are going to stop trading with America.
Well, they only make up 10% of the GDP of the United States.
And we'll just pull funding from NATO. Because we fund 75% of that.
Which means all of them would have to cut their social services.
Like Canada paying reparations rather than investing in their own military.
Which they didn't.
They spent more money on social services than investing in their own military.
The reality is tariffs are good.
When coupled with tax cuts for the United States, yes, it will be inflationary.
The numbers that we're seeing are about 0.5%.
But coupled with the elimination of income tax, it would be negligible to the United States.
So stop crying.
Tariffs provide leverage.
And America is going to put America first.
We're going to be fine.
chase geiser
So what we're seeing from Mexico, in my eyes, just looking at this from a 30,000-foot view, Ian, is Mexico cannot...
Do a trade war with the United States.
It's attacking a stronger enemy head-on.
It's like a violation of the first rule in Sun Tzu's Art of War.
You never attack a stronger enemy head-on.
So to go head-to-head with the United States in a trade war is something that really only China maybe could get away with.
Maybe to some extent.
It would certainly be more difficult to defeat a China.
But Mexico faced with this now seems to be just...
They're threatening the United States with terrorism through the cartels.
Is that what your interpretation is, too?
ian carroll
Yeah, I haven't looked a whole lot into it, but that is my interpretation of it.
And to be fair, what else are they going to do?
That's their only leverage.
And so that's why when I see Pete Tagseth talking about the potentiality of maybe going after the cartels, I'm not that...
My audience might think, oh, Ian, you should be so against it.
But it is more complicated than that.
If you go after the cartels, you're also going after the real power base of that corrupt government in Mexico.
So in Canada, for example, right now, Canada...
They're in crisis.
Justin Trudeau kind of resigned.
unidentified
He said he quit, but then he kept going to work, dude.
chase geiser
He's like Milton from Office Space.
They stopped paying him, but he keeps showing up.
ian carroll
So imagine what a Canadian public is going to do if now he goes and gets them into a trade war with the U.S. that crashes their economy and makes all Canadian people's lives suck, right?
And so on both the northern and the southern front there, The blowback of them trying to go to a trade war with us is going to first make everyone realize how much of a problem this is.
In Mexico, the American response of going after the cartels will make life better for every Mexican across the country.
In Canada, if they try to have a trade war with us, They are going to flip on that liberal government and probably elect a Trump type of person to lead them into their own make Canada great again era.
And so in a certain way, it's this kind of ironic way of actually both countries stand to be made better if they test us because they're going to lose.
chase geiser
It's that 4D chess everybody was hoping for in the first term.
ian carroll
It kind of feels that way.
chase geiser
All right, I want to show clip number 16. This is Trudeau responding to the tariffs.
I just want to ask you, watching this next clip, are you intimidated at all?
Are you scared at all?
Let's watch.
justin trudeau
I am announcing Canada will be responding to the U.S. trade action with 25% tariffs against $155 billion worth of American goods.
This will include immediate tariffs on $30 billion worth of goods as of Tuesday, followed by further tariffs on $125 billion worth of American products in 21 days' time to allow Canadian companies and supply chains to followed by further tariffs on $125 billion worth of American products in 21 days' But it goes into French?
All right, we got to pull out.
chase geiser
What?
What do you think of that?
ian carroll
Are you scared?
No, not really.
My feeling about that clip was basically, as I was telling you during it, is basically exactly what the woman to his left, or I guess his right, was during the clip, which is like, bro, what are you doing?
And this is just after he resigned because the entire Canadian government, all the people of Canada hate him.
chase geiser
Did he fake his resignation?
When's it supposed to happen?
ian carroll
Well, so technically, my understanding is that he committed to resigning pending them finding a suitable replacement.
So, whatever that means, which is nebulous, noncommittal.
chase geiser
A lot of the Canadians seem really pissed off at the United States.
I want to show clip number 13 here.
Apparently, there was some major hockey game.
I don't know if it was in Toronto or Ottawa or somewhere else in Canada.
And the U.S. national anthem was sung.
Here's what you hear from the crowd.
unidentified
Clip 13. You kind of hear some claps.
chase geiser
That's right at the end.
We actually have a better clip of it.
Let's do 8. Clip number 8 is a better one where you can hear the booing.
A little bit better.
unidentified
Run 8. And I get it.
chase geiser
I might boo if someone else's national anthem is being sung in my country.
But I think it's directly correlated to these tariffs.
ian carroll
But isn't that normal for any sports game if there's two different countries in the arena that you would do both national anthems one after the other?
chase geiser
Yeah, it's normal.
unidentified
Of course.
chase geiser
That's why they did it.
But the crowd was booing.
And I think usually the culture is a little bit of reciprocity of respect.
You know, so obviously I'm pissed off to see anybody boo our own national anthem.
At the same time, a lot of Canadians seem to be leftist still.
ian carroll
Oh, I'm sure they are.
That's the crazy thing that we all have to remember is that there's a huge number of people that are still fully brainwashed, and it's no different in Canada, it's no different in Mexico, and it's definitely no different here.
So you're inevitably going to get a few boos, probably about Trump, probably about the tariffs and all that.
But we're winning, and we're not stopping, so we're not really bothered by it.
chase geiser
Yeah, I'm with you on that.
And I do feel intuitively the zeitgeist.
January 6, 2021, I felt the opposite feeling.
I felt a lot of hopelessness and anger, and I just wanted to lash out.
That's why I started my podcast.
That's why I got involved in the information war in any capacity that I could.
And I do feel the shift.
Just intuitively, I think we are part of a collective consciousness.
I do feel that populism is winning and that people are waking up, and I do believe that there is a Great Awakening happening.
But I wish that I better understood the infrastructure of epiphany.
In that, what is it that actually makes people wake up?
Does it have to get so bad?
Is there a way that we can engineer the waking up in the same way that the CIA engineers psychological operations against people to close them off and put them in the cave, so to speak?
How can we...
Engineer the lifting of those shackles to bring people to enlightenment.
ian carroll
That was such a good phrase, Chase.
The infrastructure of epiphany.
I'm going to remember that for later.
And I've been brainstorming and thinking on this a lot lately in that it feels like before the internet, there were just endless deceptions being played upon the people from JFK to 9-11, everything in between.
And once the internet came around, the ability to see through the lies went global.
Right?
And so now as the internet has evolved into AI, has evolved into cell phones, smartphones, all these, it's gotten easier and easier for us all to find out.
And so this backlog of thousands and thousands of lies.
Is slowly just like, there's this pressure building underneath where everyone is getting more and more information.
And I think that people that have not yet woken up, there's all these little possible epiphanies that could be the first thing that wakes them up.
It kind of depends on what's personal to you.
But man, is it going rapid fire.
And to your point, we are getting a lot of discussion right now, especially from Cash Patel and Tulsi Gabbard, among others.
About not just disclosure of documents, but the disclosure of conspiracy theories being confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt, like January 6th as a great example of it.
chase geiser
COVID-19 being a lab leak?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian carroll
Just two or three months ago, it was sacrilege.
It was a condemnable offense in parts of this country to even suggest that January 6th was not what they...
And you would get banned off of TikTok.
You get your stuff taken down off of YouTube.
It was not allowed.
And within just a few weeks, Trump gets elected.
With these nominations, suddenly we're in a world where we're allowed to say that January 6th was an inside job.
Oh, it's a great world.
chase geiser
Yeah, it's beautiful.
Folks are coming up on a break in one minute and 14 seconds.
Ian Carroll is going to be joining me for the rest of the broadcast.
Before we go to break, I think it's poignant for me to mention Along the lines of what Ian has been saying about the infrastructure of epiphany, that the reason we are waking people up, the reason we are breaking through is because the deep state, the opposition, the globalists, the Satanists, if you want to call them that, have lost their monopoly on information.
They have monopoly on every social media platform.
They have monopoly on every radio broadcast.
They have monopoly on every television network.
And only through that monopoly were they able to...
Manifest their psychological operation on the people.
Now we are breaking through because of you the listeners.
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It is sinking the psychological operation, but we can only do it, and we can only stay on air if you continue to support us at TheAlexJonesStore.com.
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tulsi gabbard
I'm honored and grateful to President Trump for his trust and confidence in nominating me to serve our country as the Director of National Intelligence at a time when trust in the intelligence community unfortunately is at an all-time low.
Chuck Schumer admitted a few years ago, quote, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.
For too long, faulty, inadequate or weaponized intelligence have led to costly failures and the undermining of our national security and God-given freedoms enshrined in the Constitution.
The American people elected Donald Trump as their president not once but twice.
Yet the FBI and intelligence agencies were politicized by his opponents to undermine his presidency and falsely portray him as a puppet of Putin.
Title I of FISA was used illegally to obtain a warrant to spy on Trump campaign advisor Carter Page using a Clinton campaign-funded false dossier as their so-called evidence.
Biden campaign advisor Tony Blinken was the impetus for the 51 former senior intelligence officials' letter dismissed.
Missing Hunter Biden's laptop as disinformation specifically to help Biden win the election.
Former DNI James Clapper lied to this committee in 2013, denying the existence of programs that facilitated the mass collection of millions of Americans' phone and Internet records, yet was never held accountable.
Under John Brennan's leadership, the CIA abused its power to spy on Congress, to dodge oversight, lied about doing it until he was caught, yet has never been held responsible.
Personally, just 24 hours after I criticized Kamala Harris and her nomination, I was placed on a secret domestic terror watch list called Quiet Skies.
Sadly, there are more examples.
The bottom line is this: This must end.
President Trump's reelection is a clear mandate from the American people to break this cycle of failure, end the weaponization and politicization of the intelligence community, and begin to restore trust in those who've been charged with the critical task of securing our nation.
If confirmed, I look forward to working with you to address these issues.
unidentified
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chase geiser
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Sunday Night Live, where we have 22 minutes and 12 seconds left of this incredible broadcast with our esteemed guest, Ian Carroll, who blew my mind during this break telling me about the latest developments with McCrone's transsexual husband and some of the latest developments in the UFO thing.
Now listen.
We're tomorrow's news today.
While other networks lie to you about what's happening now, Infowars tells you the truth about what's happening next.
All that stuff.
And I hate to go back to old stories.
And I know that the UFO thing that started happening in December, it's now two months ago, seems like an old story.
But we still have no idea what those 800 or so drones popping out of the ocean were.
We don't have any clarification on what's happening next.
And if they could get away with doing MKUltra and erasing it and then just continuing on because they're not accountable, they can get away with Major psychological operations with this technology if we don't hold them accountable.
So, Ian, please tell me the latest of what's going on with both the Candace story as well as the UFO development.
ian carroll
Let's start with the UFO side of things.
We're just going to keep it really brief and simple because the depth of complexity is maddening.
But it's not complexity as in intellectual information complexity.
It's just drama.
Because the UFO disclosure space is a whole bunch of...
chase geiser
Got the Greers, the Lazarus.
ian carroll
Yeah, exactly.
A lot of them are genuine good people that have been doing this for years that are trying to figure out what's going on with all these non-human entities.
But then, there's a whole bunch of feds and spooks.
And Lord knows who hired them.
There's a bunch of...
It's probably one of the most disinfo opt spaces there is.
chase geiser
Sure.
ian carroll
For obvious reasons.
And so you never really know who is who in the U.S. UFO space.
And right now, there's a war going on, like a little feud going on between them because a bunch of them started coming out with this, like, some amount of disclosure about they were claiming that the government is about to launch the Project Blue Beam PSYOP. And we're coming and telling you about it.
chase geiser
And for the sake of the audience, most of them know, tell them what Blue Beam is.
ian carroll
The allegation was that there is an alien mothership That is about two years away from Earth.
And it's going to make landfall on Earth in 2027. And that is the government's PSYOP plan for the new world order.
chase geiser
So it's not real.
They just want to scare everybody into believing it is.
Allegedly.
ian carroll
There's layers to this.
Because the people that told us about this government plan were claiming that they are exposing the government plan.
Right?
But some of them have been accused of being feds in the past, and it's just all very complicated because right as we're getting what looks like legitimate UAP disclosure through some of the people like maybe Greer and maybe Grush, maybe these drones too, in the middle of what is probably legitimate disclosure, there's all this other mud getting thrown straight up to the claim that there's an alien mothership.
That's going to be here in two years to take over the world, which I think is obviously ridiculous and obviously not what is really going on with UAPs and non-human intelligence.
Far more nuanced than that.
chase geiser
Do you believe in non-human intelligence?
ian carroll
100%, without a doubt, yeah.
chase geiser
And because of the UAPs or just regardless of the UAPs?
ian carroll
Because of many, many, many reasons in my research, but the most fundamental one is, or the thing, the seed that got me started into believing it is how much money the CIA has invested in remote viewing technology over the decades.
chase geiser
Yes.
ian carroll
Because when you ask yourself why would they do that, the answer inevitably leads you to non-human intelligence.
chase geiser
Have you read the Mars transcripts from Stargate?
ian carroll
No.
chase geiser
So, with the remote viewing project, there was a session that's documented and declassified where a man was given coordinates and told to remote view.
You guys should probably look this up.
It's just a couple of pages.
You can find it.
And he describes this planet with these intelligent beings and these megalithic structures.
Basically faced with a geological crisis.
And they were sending out, I don't want to say beacons, almost like missions.
The same exact plot of Interstellar, right?
To find other places to live.
And he had no idea the context of these coordinates.
You get the coordinates, you do the remote viewing session through their little process.
And he was told after the session that he was looking at three points of interest on Mars one million years ago.
ian carroll
Fascinating.
chase geiser
Right?
And so it's interesting that not only did we engage in remote viewing, but we engaged in remote viewing in the context of other planets, interplanetary intelligence.
Because it's obvious that we would research remote viewing if it was possible for the sake of spying on where nuclear facilities were in Russia.
Getting insight on what the national defense infrastructure was in foreign places of interest from enemies, China, Russia, whatever, right?
That makes sense.
But why would you have someone remote view Mars a million years ago if this is a national security exercise facing only domestic threats?
Domestic being...
Earth threats, right?
And so you have to look up that transcript because it'll blow your mind.
It's real.
I don't know if he really saw Mars or anything, but I know that the exercise took place, the experiment took place, and he described these intelligent beings facing a geological crisis trying to find life somewhere else.
ian carroll
Yeah, the world is not as simple as it seems.
And I think we're at the precipice of major breakthrough in our collective understanding of just what is really going on out here.
And one thing that I've been curious to kind of delve into for a long time is the overlap between UAP, UFO, alien conspiracies and questions along with all the other things that happen in our government and our world.
chase geiser
Let's run this clip from the top with sound, please.
unidentified
With remote viewing Mars.
And the time period, I believe, was 1 million B.C.? Yeah, 1 million B.C. Who was that directed by?
Well, when it was tasked, I was sleeping in the industrial cube at the Monroe Institute.
And he said, well, I have some people here from the Department of the Army, and they have a target for you.
He said, I have an envelope here.
There's nothing written on it.
It's in my pocket.
Tell me something about it.
It started out with a really large pyramid.
The first words out of my mouth was, this must be a new discovery.
He said, why do you say that?
I said, because it's huge.
It's bigger than the Pyramid of Giza.
And it turned out there were six specific targets that I was given in that particular case.
And all six of them, I described exactly what was standing there, what was also pictured in negatives by JPL, Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
So I finally said, it's like a special race of people or something.
I'm getting humans just like we are.
Things like the Titanic and stuff like that.
I did the remote viewing for him.
It turned out my remote viewing was more accurate than written history.
Because he went as far as going back to the records of the interviews with the people that were rescued and found that things I said in my reports were accurate.
Things written about it by history.
Historians were wrong.
Like there were two guys in the tower together.
When they hit the iceberg, one guy in the tower.
The other guy was in the kitchen getting a tin of tea and didn't even know it was going to happen.
That's never been in history reports until my remote viewing.
chase geiser
I'm glad that this clip of this guy was on the Sean Ryan podcast.
I had only read the transcript and forgotten that this man appeared on Sean Ryan, but this connects directly with what Sean Ryan reported after the Cybertruck bombing with Livelsberger talking about Gravitic technology.
And I don't know if Gravitic technology is something that we could have organically on our own developed.
ian carroll
But that was not his implication.
chase geiser
But it was not the implication, A. And B, the fact that it exists is apparent based on the phenomenon that we're witnessing in the sky.
ian carroll
But it is also very important, we are on InfoWars, and it is important to remind the audience that that podcast, that is...
There is no way for us to know if that podcast is or is not an asset of the intelligence state, right?
chase geiser
Is that what you think?
ian carroll
No, I do not.
And every single interaction that I've had with him has been amazing.
chase geiser
He's awesome.
ian carroll
Yeah, and even interactions that surprised me of how...
Forthright they were.
I've not had extensive interactions with them.
But Sean Ryan is a member of the intelligence community.
chase geiser
Still or formerly?
ian carroll
He's formerly.
But that means when you think about someone in his position, he's getting guests.
So he's sourcing from his network of who to get on his show.
And so you never quite know if a guest has been fed to him or not.
So you just need to take it all with a grain of salt.
That's all I'm saying.
But...
It's confusing, and it's wild, and that's how alien and UFO and UAP disclosure is going to be until the end of time, I'm sure, because it's the most complex set of secrets that just have the most insane implications for our future and for the human race.
Everything from free energy to interstellar travel to time travel to potentially life beyond your mortal.
It's really hard to wrap your head around what all the implications of that are.
chase geiser
Sure.
ian carroll
Before we run out of time, though, we should really talk about Brigitte McCrone.
Okay, do it, do it.
This is a whole other can of worms.
unidentified
Can of worms is a nice little metaphor there.
chase geiser
There's a worm.
ian carroll
This is wild.
chase geiser
There's a worm.
ian carroll
So, to be clear, this is reporting that is almost exclusively being broken by Candace Owens, and credit should go out to her for being on this case and being dogged on this case because she's taken a lot of heat from it, including now illegal threats directly from the president of France himself, which is unheard of.
She aptly credits in her work.
She's crediting the French authors that have really paved the way and done all the real legwork.
She's basically translating a French story that's all over France but being suppressed into English because no one in America knows anything about it.
And she broke the story a while back.
And first, it was immediately startling.
Just the basics of it, there's much, much, much more depth to it.
But the basics is that journalists in France realize that...
Brigitte McCrone, they've always known the age gap, and there was always kind of a cover story that Brigitte McCrone is like 30-some years older than...
chase geiser
Right, and she was his professor, right?
ian carroll
She was his professor, and they had said that he was 17 when they got together, and they had it all scripted out.
But it came out that actually he was 14 when she first had a sexual relationship with him.
chase geiser
Wow, I didn't realize that.
ian carroll
So she was a late 30s teacher, and he's a 14-year-old boy.
And she...
That's pedophilia.
So first off, that layer is super messed up.
But then it turned out that those same French journalists realized that there were no photos of her before the age of like 35 or 37. Like trying to find a photo of Michelle Obama pregnant.
Exactly.
Funny that you mentioned that.
And then they realized that there was no photos of her pregnant.
There was no record of her.
But there was record of her having a brother when her family had a son.
They couldn't find any more.
And there had been this son all the way up until...
chase geiser
The son disappeared?
ian carroll
And he disappears from record the exact time when Brigitte Macron starts to appear in the record.
And so people had asked about it.
And when they asked about it...
chase geiser
That's a transition if I ever heard one.
brian kilmeade
Yeah.
ian carroll
When they asked about it, the government official narrative was, no, he's still alive.
He's out there.
He's just a kind of a hermit and doesn't really like to talk to anyone.
And so we won't want to invade his privacy.
But he's never heard from.
No one's ever seen him.
There's no record of him ever since she came to exist, right?
And those are just the very, very surface of the weirdness.
But it's weird and it got these French journalists going and over the years they compiled this huge case about it and Candace stumbled across it and Candace started reporting on it and then Emmanuel Macron wrote Candace a legal cease and desist with threats and stuff like that and in the letter it asked her to please not publish this letter.
So naturally Candace Owens published that letter and started an entire long series called Becoming Brigitte which is just a whole other level of troll and she's exposing things like It plays off of Michelle Obama's book called Becoming.
Yeah, exactly.
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And so there's just this whole...
ian carroll
So right now, where the story stands, Candace has just started the series and it's going to be ongoing.
But because the French government, because Emmanuel Macron, I actually technically, I think it's not the French government, I believe it's Emmanuel Macron directly, started a legal communication with her.
She responded by sending him a list of like 20 or 30 or 40 questions or something like that that are just really basic questions.
But because it's in a legal interaction now, there's no situation in which the Macron can Pretend like he has not been formally asked in a legal nature.
chase geiser
Right.
If he wants to escalate, then he has to respond to the response.
ian carroll
Yeah.
And he has to either lie or not respond.
What does he do?
Right?
chase geiser
So you're convinced that his wife is his husband.
ian carroll
All I'm saying is when you read the original French reporting, when you look at Candace's reporting, when you look at the situation, it gets pretty obvious pretty dang quick.
As in, it would be so easy to disprove.
In a million different ways if it wasn't true.
It would be the easiest thing in the world.
And instead of disproving it, they're sending her strongly worded legal letters asking her to please stop.
Please stop.
And she is not going to stop.
And they know she's not going to stop.
And it's only going to gain momentum.
And the real kicker is this.
If the president of France at age 14, and this is an if, let's be clear.
All of these are allegations that have not been proven by anyone.
It's all allegations.
But if the president of France was sexually groomed and then manipulated at the age of 14 by a 30-some-year-old man, who, by the way, if that is true, that includes that Brigitte left her family.
It's all right.
If that's true, That Brigitte Macron used to be a man.
chase geiser
Yeah.
ian carroll
What's to say there's not other people out there doing that?
There's been lots of allegations about Obama.
chase geiser
I'll say it.
ian carroll
And Michelle, right?
chase geiser
You know, it's funny because I used to think that the big Mike thing was a meme.
ian carroll
I did too.
chase geiser
And one time when I was sitting in your chair and Alex had made a comment about it and we went to break, I was like, do you really think so or do you just think it's funny?
You know?
Oh, no, no, she's a man.
I've known Alex for a year and a half now.
I've come to really trust him.
I don't know if he gets everything right or not, but he definitely doesn't lie.
ian carroll
Oh yeah, yeah.
So real quick, I'm so glad they put that headline on because this is just some of the stuff that she's talked about in the first episode Candace has done.
There's some weird stuff going on in France.
Brigitte Macron backed an erect phallus with golden balls as the new spire for Notre Dame Cathedral.
Brigitte Macron personally wanted to put a gigantic golden dick on top of Notre Dame.
unidentified
That is legitimately a true story.
ian carroll
True story.
chase geiser
I have an idea for who could be the mold.
Well, and here's the thing.
Look, I know this stuff is like funny and silly and there's like a tabloid angle to it, right?
But the point isn't whether or not Nancy Pelosi's husband is gay.
It's not whether or not Big Mike is Big Mike or Brigitte Macron is Brad Macron, whatever.
The point is that it's just another example of how the identities of these globalist figures are nothing but a lie.
That's the fundamental takeaway from this.
It's not a waste of time to talk about it and joke about it.
It's fun, but it's not a distraction because it's indicative of a deeper character problem within the entirety of the political class.
ian carroll
I would take you one step further on that, too, in that it's not only that it is indicative of the problem, but it is actually the means by which you control these people.
As in there is no stronger mechanism of control than having the type of blackmail we are talking about here.
If you actually know that Emmanuel Macron is married to a man and all sorts of, Lord knows what kind of sexual crimes That is the best leverage you could ever have.
And there's really no getting over that.
And so when we talk about One Nation Under Blackmail, when we talk about the Jeffrey Epsteins of this world, we're also talking about these types of operations.
Any sort of leverage, whether it's you committed a crime and they caught you, whether it's there's a secret you don't want out.
chase geiser
The establishment wants to put compromised people in power because they want to control them.
ian carroll
100%.
And they want to put compromisable people into positions where they can...
The world runs on this complex system of blackmail and of leverages.
And when you find someone that can be blackmailed, it behooves you to help them get into a position of power because then you're going to get...
All their power is suddenly yours, right?
Blackmailing is the...
I think it's the biggest concept that we had the least understanding of.
Sure.
chase geiser
Well, it's because people comply with blackmail.
And if you comply with blackmail, then the nature of the leverage never becomes public.
ian carroll
Bingo.
chase geiser
It only comes out if you don't comply.
unidentified
Yeah.
chase geiser
Right.
And so that's why we don't talk about it because you don't really hear about it because everyone just obeys.
ian carroll
Yeah.
And so that's why I bring up this story about the president of France, about Brigitte Macron, about Candace blowing it open.
And I would recommend that everyone follow along on that story because it is so much bigger than...
Just this funny story about this trans person in charge of friends.
chase geiser
But it is also that.
ian carroll
It is hilarious.
When you could think about the Olympics and the golden dick they wanted to put on top of the cathedral, it's just like, yeah, it's hilarious.
But it's also deeply informative about the level of powerful corruption that's happening at the highest halls of the largest countries in the world.
chase geiser
Well, not to mention the fact that Justin Trudeau is obviously Castro's son.
ian carroll
You know?
I wonder if I'm allowed to tell this story.
I'm kind of allowed to tell this story.
I was told by a person that is very close to his family that I trust my source quite well, even though he doesn't like them, but he's close to them.
chase geiser
Sure.
ian carroll
And he told me that he strongly does not believe that is the case.
chase geiser
They look identical.
ian carroll
They do.
chase geiser
His mom was a slut.
ian carroll
Yeah, so I don't take his words for sure.
It gave me my first level.
chase geiser
Maybe Justin doesn't even know.
ian carroll
It's possible, dude.
It's very possible.
chase geiser
Jon Snow didn't know that he was there to the Iron Throne until the end of Game of Thrones, man.
ian carroll
So here's the thing about these conspiracy theories.
We've just recently mentioned Big Mike and we've mentioned Justin Trudeau is Castro's son.
And a lot of these conspiracy theories, I used to be a leftist.
I used to be totally asleep.
And when you first hear them, you think...
You're insane.
That's the stupidest conspiracy theory I've ever heard.
chase geiser
Then you look closer.
ian carroll
You're just saying it because he looks like Castro.
chase geiser
But that's not true.
There was circumstantial evidence.
ian carroll
Yeah, it's not just because he looks like him.
They also actually, his mom, knew Castro.
chase geiser
Photographed together.
ian carroll
And spoke very highly of him.
chase geiser
And was on the coast of Cuba nine months before Justin was born.
ian carroll
Yeah, there's like actually evidence.
And the same is true of Big Mike.
Barack Obama used to go by the name Barry Satora.
I'm sure your audience is familiar with this.
And his best friend was a dude named Mike.
They were photographed together, and he does look a lot like Michelle.
And there is lots of circumstantial evidence around these things, actually.
And the sad irony is that the people that accuse people that are informed of being conspiracy theorists...
Are actually the ones that have no understanding of how much evidence is being compiled.
chase geiser
100%.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Ian, where can people find you, follow you, and support you?
ian carroll
They can find me on X at IanCarrollShow.
And I also run the website CancelThisClothingCompany.com where I've got some resources and stuff.
X is the best place to connect with me because it's where the speech is the freest.
So thanks for having me on.
chase geiser
It's an honor and a pleasure.
Come back anytime.
And I'm so glad to hear that you're in Austin for a little while longer because we definitely need to spend more time together.
I can talk to you for hours and hours, folks.
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