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It's Sunday Night Live with your host Cara Castronova. | ||
Covered tonight, Democrats refuse to let GOP lawmakers see January 6 protesters. | ||
Ashley Babbitt's family sues Capitol Police and she's got the widower of Ashley Babbitt joining her tonight. | ||
So Cara Castronova, we can't wait the next few hours to see what you lay out. | ||
Thank you so much for joining us this evening. | ||
I hand the baton to you. | ||
Thank you, Alex, so much. | ||
So happy to be here and honored to be covering for Owen Schroyer tonight. | ||
And as he's on vacation, I hope he's having a good one. | ||
So I wanted to bring on Aaron Babbitt, who's Ashley Babbitt's husband, and talk to him about his experience, who Ashley really was. | ||
I think he's been on the news a few times, but he hasn't really gotten to tell the story of who Ashley really is. | ||
So that's what I really wanted to be able to do tonight. | ||
And then his His mother-in-law, Mickey, is going to come on afterwards and talk about who Ashley was. | ||
I think it's really important that we humanize her. | ||
I think that the media has kind of made her a character representing January 6th and sort of demonized her in a way. | ||
So I think it's really important that we get to know who she was as a person. | ||
So I'm very excited to bring on Aaron Babbitt. | ||
Okay, and if you guys don't mind, I mean, I'm going to change my background. | ||
I got to know the Babbitts very well over the past month since I started Citizens Against Political Persecution. | ||
That's an organization that we really just started to help the January 6th prisoners. | ||
The media was not talking about it. | ||
Actually, InfoWars was one of the only people talking about it, and a couple other conservative outlets. | ||
Nobody knew that there were people in prison from January 6th from the day up until now. | ||
This is still going on. | ||
They're in solitary confinement, and it's very sad. | ||
So we started Citizens Against Political Persecution in order to make people aware of what was going on. | ||
And it's worked, because mainstream is picking up the story now. | ||
I wish they would have picked it up months ago, because these people are suffering. | ||
Right. | ||
So in the meantime, I got to know Aaron and Ashley's mom, Mickey. | ||
It just kind of naturally fell into place and naturally happened. | ||
I got on a call with Mickey and no, actually I got on a call with Aaron and he introduced me to Mickey who texted me and she said some really nice things. | ||
And I was just like so impressed by her. | ||
It feels like she's an aunt or just anybody I would know in my regular life. | ||
I talk to her on a regular basis. | ||
So I just felt like it would be great for the audience to get to know who they are and really put a name to Ashley, really put a face on who she was. | ||
So Aaron, hey, thank you so much for being on. | ||
How are you? | ||
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It's nice to see your face. | |
We've talked on the phone. | ||
It's nice to actually see you and put your name. | ||
Yeah, I know you're in San Diego right now. | ||
And so, you know, we talked a little bit on the phone earlier, I just wanted to be able to cover stuff that we That you hadn't spoken, I know you've been on Fox, I know that you've been on Newsmax, but really just talk about who Ashley was and how she wound up there that day, what kind of patriot she was, what pushed her to go to January 6th and, you know, petition for the stolen election, which she believes was a stolen election before she was shot by Capitol Police. | ||
So could you tell us, like I know that you mentioned that you didn't go with her that day, but she really was insisted upon going. | ||
Yeah, I did not go over there. | ||
So with my family being outside of Boston, Ashley's here and her family's here in San Diego. | ||
We just picked Christmas to be our holiday, you know, to where we weren't getting pulled from either side, you know, of the family. | ||
So we always took off, you know, we'd go somewhere and use our passports. | ||
So we went to Cabo this year and we were just down there on the beach and I'll never forget, it was actually Christmas Day. | ||
We were sitting on the beach and she said, I think I'm going to go to D.C. | ||
I kind of like looked at her like, I don't think you're going to. | ||
She's like, no, I really think I am. | ||
I was like, Ash, you know, we just closed the business down for two weeks. | ||
We're going back. | ||
It's going to be our first week back and you're going to take off again on Tuesday. | ||
But we got home and it was New Year's Day. | ||
She bought her ticket. | ||
She flew out there by herself. | ||
And I know that you said that you kind of were upset with her, but that she was the type of person, from what I'm getting from you and her mom, that was like very strong-willed, really felt strongly, was very strong convictions. | ||
Can you tell us a little bit more about that? | ||
She was one of the strongest, most confident women I've ever met in my life. | ||
That was, you know, obviously my original attraction to her. | ||
She has her mindset on doing something. | ||
She's going to go do it. | ||
And she wanted to go see President Trump speak. | ||
And, you know, that was the thing. | ||
She said, They're screwing him out of this thing, and it might be the last time I get to see him, at least for another four years, to see him live for the first time. | ||
And, you know, we have connections to the D.C. | ||
area, so it's not unfamiliar territory for her to go there. | ||
But I just remember getting the text after she saw the president speak, and the absolute look of joy and elation on her face just couldn't be matched. | ||
What did the text say that she sent you after she saw President Trump speak? | ||
Oh, I just saw, I just saw the big guy talk. | ||
I got to see Eric speak, Kimberly speak, Don Jr. | ||
And it was just, I mean, you could just feel the emotion coming through. | ||
It was one of the best days of her life, honestly, sadly. | ||
So, Mickey has said, her mom, that the one thing that gives her comfort is that she feels like at least Ashley, when she died, she was surrounded by patriots and she was in her, she was like, you know, In her, in the prime of her, you know, feelings for Trump and everything going on around her. | ||
Do you feel, do you find comfort in that too? | ||
Yeah, to an extent. | ||
I mean, I have my own feelings on it. | ||
Yeah, to, to that extent, yes. | ||
I mean, she was definitely in her element. | ||
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Right. | |
You know, meeting people that she knew on Twitter, I guess. | ||
And, you know, just, just being around the people that, you know, she's been focused on this for years at this point. | ||
So she was definitely around her people and in her element. | ||
Right. | ||
I wanted to be able to give you a lot of opportunities to talk about her legal fund because I think that that is so important right now. | ||
Here's some pictures of Ashley. | ||
I wanted to share some of the photos of her when she was younger to really start to put a human face on her. | ||
But there's a legal fund going on right now. | ||
You guys are suing the government. | ||
For a wrongful death. | ||
And, um, talk a little bit about the legal fund because I feel like, you know, there's this January 6th commission going on right now with Nancy Pelosi. | ||
I think they're on a break right now. | ||
They're not being honest. | ||
I don't think they're telling the truth. | ||
I don't think that they're researching the right things. | ||
They're not researching the behavior of the Capitol Police that day. | ||
They're actually putting them on this pedestal as heroes when they actually killed, you know, your wife was killed by Capitol Police. | ||
We all saw it. | ||
And there's others now that that's coming to the forefront of the, you know, some news sources that, were killed by Capitol Police, like Roseanne Boyland, and the gentleman that was pushed from a balcony and killed. | ||
So I think that one of the ways to find the truth out is through Ashley Babich's trial. | ||
We need to, the American public needs to get behind a lawsuit and force evidence to be revealed and force discovery to be revealed, And that is by helping out and donating to the Ashley Babbitt Legal Fund. | ||
I think it's so important. | ||
So how could we as Americans donate to this legal fund so that the truth about what happened on January 6th will continue to emerge? | ||
Yeah, so the most important word you said there is going to be the discovery portion of it all. | ||
Then they have to come out with it. | ||
Right now they're not subject to anything. | ||
They're not subject to FOIA. | ||
They don't have to say anything. | ||
And you see they're not saying anything. | ||
Excuse my allergies, I'm sorry. | ||
But, um, to go back to that commission, that's the perfect example of how much they're not going to talk about Ashley. | ||
So we need to talk about Ashley to talk about everybody else because that's going to, it's going to all trickle down effect when it comes out that way. | ||
But this January 6th commission, how did they pick those four officers? | ||
That's my first question. | ||
How did they pick these four guys? | ||
Clearly they hand-picked them months ago. | ||
And groomed them, you know, to read off a script. | ||
Why wasn't the officer that shot my wife sitting up there? | ||
I feel like that was a very important part of that day. | ||
Maybe he should have been up there talking, you know, but we don't get that. | ||
Why wasn't he, even if you're not going to put him up there, why don't you have the three officers that were standing in front of my wife and the officers that were standing behind my wife? | ||
Have somebody that was there at that doorway to talk about it. | ||
But no, you just got these four random officers that want to go up there and cry and read off a script. | ||
I shut it off. | ||
It was just, there was no point watching it. | ||
I had a hard time watching it too. | ||
I'm going to go back and review it just because I feel like you kind of need to know what they're saying in order to counteract it. | ||
Because me, myself, I'm very invested in exposing the truth about January 6th and what really happened when it comes to the Capitol Police and their conduct. | ||
And I know you're aware that the Capitol Police actually don't have to answer Freedom of Information Acts. | ||
They're exempt from having to answer. | ||
And I'm sure that makes it difficult for your case. | ||
And I don't think the American public is aware of that. | ||
I think it's very interesting because now they're trying to put Capitol Police in different parts of the country, but they're not actually under the same laws as other police. | ||
But going back to Ashley, so I know she was an Air Force veteran and she spent four tours in Iraq. | ||
I know that you were a Marine, so thank you so much for your service. | ||
In Iraq and Afghanistan. | ||
She was in Afghanistan too. | ||
In Iraq. | ||
You guys met five years ago. | ||
If you could tell us how you met, maybe shed a little light on that. | ||
So it was October of 2015. | ||
I was working at a nuclear power plant in Maryland, security, and Ashley had gotten a job there and she kind of cornered me. | ||
I walked up into this alarm station and the new class was up there and I was coming out of an area where it was like 120 degrees and I didn't want to deal with anybody. | ||
Here comes Little Ashley, just cornered me in this back part of the room and was like, I'm gonna make you talk to me. | ||
Okay, and I'll be damned, she did. | ||
I mean, she made me talk to her for like 45 minutes. | ||
As the months go on, we just, you know, talked and talked and talked and here we are now in San Diego, but it's hard not to fall in love with her when you meet her. | ||
That's what I tell everybody. | ||
You know, as a person, as a woman, she's She's just an amazing, beautiful, kind soul. | ||
She got along with everybody. | ||
She loved everybody. | ||
The only stipulation was, you know, don't be a prick. | ||
You know, she'd be your best friend. | ||
Just don't be a prick. | ||
You know, and she had so many friends around here. | ||
And, you know, we live in Southern California. | ||
I'm not going to say it's unfriendly territory, but the amount of phone calls that I got from local friends here that are Oh, very, very, very much liberal. | ||
Just bawling, crying, because they lost Ashley. | ||
They didn't see her as a political opponent or somebody with an opposing view. | ||
They knew our Ashley that we know out here, that I wish the world had an opportunity to know. | ||
And there's only so much you can say when you're on camera talking about her with so little time. | ||
She was an amazing soul and the world lost an amazing patriot and human. | ||
Was she always into politics? | ||
Cause I know that, you know, she was a huge Trump fan. | ||
Um, she really, uh, you told me the story if you want to share, uh, about how when Trump won four years ago, you had to wake up in the middle of the night and she was so happy, right? | ||
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I mean, I don't know. | ||
I don't know much about her politics leading up to it. | ||
I do know that she told me that she had voted for Obama in 2012. | ||
Um, you know, she picked her candidate. | ||
It wasn't so much of a party line thing. | ||
Um, but yeah, she was super stoked, uh, you know, leading up to the election night, and I think it ended up being like 1, 2 o'clock in the morning, and I was laying in bed still awake because I was watching it, and she had fallen asleep, so, you know, I had the privilege to wake her up and let her know that, you know, President Trump had won, and it was a great night. | ||
Right, so she was a supporter for the four years and then we come to January 6th, Trump, you know, speaking and she decides to go there. | ||
And then tell me about, I know you mentioned that you actually watched her on pretty much live TV or you were watching on your cell phone when she was killed. | ||
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If you could talk about that and that experience. | |
Yeah, that's a rough one. | ||
It was back when, you know, we were still locked down out here for COVID. | ||
So I made a gym appointment. | ||
For one o'clock our time, so at four east. | ||
And I got a call at like 11. | ||
Well, it was like 1220 maybe. | ||
Whatever it was, I can't remember the exact time I got a call saying that somebody thought they'd seen Ashley on TV. | ||
It looked like she might have been hurt and. | ||
The second I turned on the TV, it just happened to be Fox News. | ||
I turned on the TV and I saw Ashley laying on the ground and I I knew it was her immediately. | ||
And all hell broke loose in my life at that point. | ||
I was calling every hospital that I could. | ||
My brother in Massachusetts was calling every hospital he could. | ||
Other people were calling every hospital in D.C. | ||
and we just couldn't get anybody to tell us if they had her or what her status was. | ||
So I was basically locked to having to stare at my TV and watch these images. | ||
Over and over and over again. | ||
I finally heard a voice come over the TV and say that the woman that had been shot at the Capitol had passed away. | ||
For a man to have to see his wife dying in pain, in obvious pain, And to not be able to reach to that screen and get my hands on her. | ||
And to have to see just that she was surrounded by strangers in that time. | ||
I don't know what it did to me mentally. | ||
I haven't had time to figure it out yet. | ||
You know, January 7th, I had to keep my business going. | ||
So maybe I'll be a study for an experiment somewhere down the road is how much the human brain can actually take. | ||
But yeah, here we are. | ||
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We're still fighting. | |
Right. | ||
And moving forward now, um, uh, do you feel like if Ashley was still around, like, you know, what, and this, let's, let's just say, you know, it was somebody else and not Ashley, would she be fighting for that person? | ||
Do you think that she would still be involved on maybe helping the people that are in prison now from January 6th? | ||
Uh, she'd probably be your best friend. | ||
She probably would have caught wind of what you were doing and she'd, she'd be right there next to you. | ||
I mean, you'd probably hear from her every single day. | ||
She wouldn't give it up. | ||
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Yeah, that's what her mom was saying. | |
So, you mentioned also, I thought that it was a really nice story, that she was very close to her German Shepherd and very, I mean, I have a dog, so I know how they're very intuitive that three days after you brought back her clothes, the German Shepherd died. | ||
It was almost like he died of a broken heart. | ||
Yeah, so she had had Kenai for all 12 years of his life. | ||
I mean, she got him, she called him her discount dog because she bought him from a breeder, but When she got him, his mother had nipped off, like, two inches of his tail, so she ended up getting him for, like, 10% of the cost. | ||
But that dog was with her. | ||
I mean, I was with Ashley 20 hours a day for six years, and those four hours that I wasn't with her, Kenai was with her. | ||
So, I mean, they were never, ever apart, other than a couple of the deployments that she went on. | ||
Kenai was around for those, and he had to stay back in Maryland when she went. | ||
So I had hoped You know, for his sake, that he just thought maybe it was another one of those and he could go peacefully in between. | ||
But he knew something was wrong and different. | ||
And when I got the first box of her clothing home, I put it next to my bed, you know, to find a place to, you know, put it. | ||
And I came in the room and he was just laying on top of it, just staring at me like, where is she? | ||
You know, we don't deserve dog's love, honestly. | ||
But it was February 24th, three days after we had spread our ashes at sea. | ||
I came home after work. | ||
It was like five o'clock and he didn't meet me at the door and I found him in the back room. | ||
It appeared to be peaceful. | ||
Oh, that's nice. | ||
I mean, the fact that he did go peacefully is sad when you have to put him to sleep. | ||
I'm glad for that. | ||
I know that Ashley's mom, Mickey, is supposed to call in. | ||
I'm not sure if she's called in yet, but she was going to sort of tell us a little bit about Ashley when she was a little girl and how she was always very strong-willed and always very opinionated. | ||
But again, let's talk more in the meantime about it. | ||
I want to continue to be able to plug the legal fund and encourage people to donate to Ashley Babbitt Legal Fund because it's so important that this investigation is opened. | ||
We're being tortured right now watching the January 6th committee. | ||
I mean, it's really difficult to watch. | ||
They're painting Capitol Police as heroes. | ||
They're not telling the full story. | ||
There's plenty of evidence that has been out for quite a while now that Capitol Police actually were responsible for more than one death, for more than the death of Ashley Babbitt. | ||
And that is not being addressed by the committee at all. | ||
So I really feel like it's important that we obviously, as Americans, continue to support the Ashley Babbitt Legal Fund. | ||
So that justice is served for Ashley. | ||
And by doing that, justice is served for that entire day, because that entire day of January 6th has been painted as something it's not. | ||
And that's what drives me crazy. | ||
I was there. | ||
I saw it with my own eyes. | ||
It was a bunch of patriotic Americans getting together to petition the government about this. | ||
Hey, Mickey, how are you? | ||
Yeah, I was saying how they painted us that day as to be this this angry mob when that was just a small fraction of the people. | ||
All I felt surrounding me that day was love. | ||
And it was a beautiful day. | ||
And that story was never told. | ||
And there's so much more to the story of January 6th that the news is not telling us, the politicians aren't telling us, the ones that know the truth are the ones that were there that day. | ||
And we have to expose the truth to the rest of America. | ||
And a big part of that is Ashley Babbitt, who was killed by a gunshot wound from a Capitol Police officer. | ||
And we want an investigation on that. | ||
We, the American people, demand an investigation of Capitol Police into the death of Ashley Babbitt and others that day. | ||
And I don't think that's an unreasonable request. | ||
And And you guys have this legal fund going on right now. | ||
You have hired lawyers that will be pushing for discovery and pushing for more evidence and pushing for more information about Ashley's death. | ||
And I think it's so important for the American public to learn about this. | ||
And it is going to be an expensive case. | ||
I'm assuming a very expensive case. | ||
So I'm encouraging just everybody to help out and donate to the Ashley Babbitt Legal Fund. | ||
And the information, I believe, you shared with us, Aaron, and we'll bring it up on the screen. | ||
Yeah, it's Give, Send, Go. | ||
Yep, Give, Send, Go. | ||
And every dollar that's donated goes directly to the firm. | ||
Right. | ||
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So that is very important to get those stories out there. | |
Because, you know, and I think that the only hope we have are people like you and brave people like Congressman Gosar and Aaron speaking up and I'm trying to be a voice. | ||
What Nancy Pelosi and her people weren't counting on is the American people were watching. | ||
This is coming out slowly, but it is coming out because the truth is stubborn. | ||
The truth is a stubborn son of a bitch and it will eventually make it to the top and people will know. | ||
What they did to Ashley, you know, Ashley served this country and was a proud patriot and felt like she should be there on the 6th. | ||
As many patriots felt like they should be there on the 6th. | ||
And some people, like myself, felt like I should have been but didn't go. | ||
So there's that. | ||
But Roseanne Boylan's poor family, the things that they said about her and the things, just the major cover-up is just becoming more and more obvious. | ||
And they were so arrogant about it that they did leave loose edges. | ||
And they are telling lies. | ||
And they're coming out slowly, but they're coming out. | ||
And, you know, people that are brave enough, like the people that did the Gateway Pundit interview with you, Michael Foy and his mother, that are brave enough to speak out. | ||
Because I think that, you know, there has been some pressure put on witnesses. | ||
And, you know, Edward Lang, or Jacob Lang, who's still in solitary confinement, God only knows what punishment he's getting for speaking out. | ||
But people were watching, and that's our hope, is that America was watching, and that's the only chance we have. | ||
We the people. | ||
We the people. | ||
What can anybody do? | ||
Ask what you can do. | ||
Call the Capitol Police. | ||
Call them every day. | ||
Call your local officials. | ||
Call your local representatives. | ||
Speak out. | ||
Just speak out to whoever will listen. | ||
Right. | ||
And Alyssa, thank you so much. | ||
I wanted to go back to you to talk, give us a little more insight on Ashley. | ||
And as like, you know, you've shared with me personal stories when she was a little girl and how she wanted to join the armed forces after 9-11 and serve her country and just how important that was to her. | ||
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It was very important to her. | |
And, and, you know, the world lost a great person that day and I lost my only daughter. | ||
My brave, funny, beautiful daughter. | ||
When people say that I raised a proud patriot, I say to them, I don't know how much I had to do with it because Ashley came out a brave, determined soul and just always was. | ||
She would be out there catching lizards and surfing and raising animals and riding motorbikes and playing with the horses and doing their feet. | ||
Always, always a competent, capable, driven human being. | ||
You know, and she was always the light of the room. | ||
You know, from the time Ashley was, she used to put on little plays, make her brothers put on little outfits and dresses, and she'd put on these big plays. | ||
And she was just always larger than life. | ||
And the only time I ever saw her scared, she was about two years old, it was Halloween. | ||
Maybe not the only time, but the first, you know, she was a, We made her a vampire and we had painted her face green and cut a little wig to fit her little face and we were all, me and my mom, we were all proud. | ||
What a good job we did. | ||
We took her in the bathroom to look at herself in the mirror and she was just devastated. | ||
She couldn't believe that was her with her little green face and her fangs and stuff. | ||
But she was just a brave, brave person, you know, and a true, kind heart. | ||
And I miss her sense of humor. | ||
You know, she was quick with the one-liners and just a joy to be around, you know, and a problem solver. | ||
Like, I still want to tell her things. | ||
I want to ask her things like, what do you think about this? | ||
Everything that's going on with January 6th, I want to ask her, what do you think about this? | ||
What do you think about that? | ||
When people are saying that that cop that committed suicide, the first person I wanted to call was her, you know, because she knew, Ashley knew the depth of corruption of this country. | ||
And I think that that's why she was so driven to Donald Trump, because, you know, he never got a fair shake as a president. | ||
This country never gave him any respect. | ||
And and she saw that. | ||
And he was truly for the underdog. | ||
And, you know, there are times in Ashley's life when she was the underdog and she rose up and and overcame some obstacles that, you know, we all have. | ||
But she persevered, you know, and Ashley was big for saying hydrate and press on. | ||
And that's what she lived by. | ||
She was like, you don't put the small stuff. | ||
And if you can fix it, you fix it and move on. | ||
And if not, you look at some other alternative. | ||
She's just always been that kind of person, you know. | ||
You mentioned that I mentioned President Trump. | ||
I know that he had reached out to you and I don't know if he still had to ask. | ||
He had to reach out to Aaron and Aaron. | ||
Aaron, are you still there? | ||
I'm here. | ||
I guess he's not. | ||
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He's not. | |
Yeah, you had shared both that you had received a call from President Trump and that you did feel that he was being very sincere. | ||
And if you could tell us a little bit more, Aaron, really, then Mickey, I wanted you to be able to share your call with President Trump. | ||
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Okay. | |
Yeah, so the first... Can you hear me? | ||
Yeah, we hear you. | ||
So I actually missed his call on the first. | ||
He called me July 1st. | ||
Left me a voicemail and me and Mickey laughed about it because I clicked the side button to send it to voicemail because it just came up unknown. | ||
And as I did that, Mickey texted me. | ||
She's like President Trump's calling. | ||
I was like, Oh God, I just sent him to voicemail. | ||
So he sent me a 20 seconds later. | ||
I got a really nice voicemail out. | ||
I was very kind and he said he was going to call back and I'll be damned. | ||
He kept his word and I was sitting here last Monday. | ||
And the phone rang, and I recognized the Jersey number that had called prior to that unknown, and I answered it, and it was his executive assistant, Molly Michael, and she said she had President Trump on the phone and he wanted to talk to me. | ||
So I said, absolutely. | ||
You know, I heard a couple weird beeps, and there he was. | ||
And I was just impressed that it wasn't scripted, and he wasn't trying to force me off the phone. | ||
I talked to him for at least 15 minutes, and I feel like I could have talked to him for another 15 minutes more if I wanted to. | ||
He told me what he knew about Ashley, and then he gave me the floor to tell him about Ashley from my point of view. | ||
And I couldn't appreciate that more. | ||
It wasn't just a check, you know, a block to be checked saying, hey, I called the family, now I can go talk about it. | ||
He really wanted to talk to us to the point that he made sure he called me back. | ||
So I have much respect for that. | ||
We only have a minute before the next commercial, but Mickey, I know that Trump had called you too, but I wanted to hit on the last and most important point, which I think, this is my opinion, that you both shared with me that Ashley did not receive military honors when she was buried, which is ridiculous to me. | ||
She served for four tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I think that moving forward, it's my goal to make sure that one day she does get that ceremony that she deserves, because the military, according to you guys, both denied her to be buried with military decoration. | ||
Is that that's what you told me? | ||
And I'm moving forward. | ||
Go ahead, Mickey. | ||
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That's accurate. | |
Although I don't want to take her from the service that we had for her. | ||
It was lovely. | ||
And we did have some patriots with the flag service. | ||
But yes, it was a it was very disheartening to have them tell us that she could not be buried with honors when she gave her youth to this country. | ||
She was severely injured on her 21st birthday and a concussive injury in a convoy and almost bled to death on her 21st birthday. | ||
And you know, that injury followed her into adulthood and to say that, you know, the way she felt about this country and how many times that she answered the call of sitting president of the United States that she couldn't be buried with honors was just a slap in the face. | ||
Yeah, I could imagine when I heard that I was really upset and I feel like that needs to be rectified one day. | ||
You know, I think after the trial and the truth comes out and America gets to know Ashley Moore as a person, which is the goal, and not being demonized like the media has done. | ||
And when they Google her name in the future, what's going to come up is that she was a martyr, she was a hero, she was not, and what they're calling an insurrectionist. | ||
So that's the goal here. | ||
And thank you both so much for coming on. | ||
And shedding some light on who Ashley was as a person, as we continue to hopefully fully humanize her, and other news organizations hopefully will follow and continue to talk about Ashley as a human being. | ||
That's my hope, and you're both in my prayers every day. | ||
Thank you so much for coming on. | ||
Okay, welcome back everybody. | ||
Thank you, Owen Schroyer, for letting me fill in for you today. | ||
It is an honor. | ||
Hope you're having a good vacation wherever you are. | ||
So tonight, actually, Philip Anderson, I'm gonna tell you a little bit about our guest, Philip Anderson. | ||
He was a witness to Capitol Police when they killed Roseanne Boylan, allegedly killed Roseanne Boylan on January 6th. | ||
He was holding her hand when she died. | ||
So an article came out in Gateway Pundit that there was somebody that was a witness to the second Capitol death, the second woman that died there who was Roseanne Boylan. | ||
The news reported initially, and I'm talking about all of the news, very hastily reported that Roseanne Boyland was killed. | ||
No, not that she was killed, that she died of a drug overdose, a methamphetamine overdose. | ||
And some news reported that she was crushed by an angry Trump mob. | ||
After further investigation, I've done a lot of personal investigation on this myself. | ||
I found that there are a lot of people out there, a lot of them who are in D.C. | ||
prison right now, in solitary confinement, that witnessed Roseanne Boylan being bludgeoned to death by Capitol Police. | ||
There's video out there of this woman laying unconscious on the stairs at the west entrance of the Capitol building. | ||
where there's a police officer who has what looks like a baton or a long staff with an overhand strike, like literally hammer striking down on her multiple times on Roseanne Boyland when she was already unconscious, to where another Capitol Police officer has to run up and physically to where another Capitol Police officer has to run up and physically pull this police officer or this Capitol Police person away to stop striking Roseanne Boyland, who was | ||
So there that day was Philip Anderson, who was right next to Roseanne Boyland. | ||
He was crushed like Roseanne Boyland was underneath protesters that he says that the Capitol Police were pushing on top of him. | ||
And I'm going to let him tell his story. | ||
He was the first witness that came out. | ||
Since then, another witness has come out and said that this is the truth. | ||
This person rather remain anonymous. | ||
Then I spoke to three people in D.C. | ||
prison who I've gotten to know through the course of Citizens Against Political Persecution and trying to help them get their stories out there, who also all saw Roseanne Boyland basically saying the Capitol Police were responsible for her death. | ||
So I would like to welcome Philip Anderson. | ||
Philip, are you there? | ||
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Yes, I'm here. | |
It's good to be talking to you, Kara. | ||
Hey, you too. | ||
It's nice to see your face. | ||
All I have seen is this one picture of you here on Gateway Pundit, so it's nice to get a look at your face. | ||
But you were there that day, January 6th. | ||
I was there that day, January 6th. | ||
We were in totally different areas. | ||
You were right by the West entrance where all that sort of mayhem took place, where you see people, what looks like people, you know, fighting. | ||
Some look like they're attacking police officers. | ||
But as we've been doing more investigations, it's coming to the light that those people were actually defending you, Roseanne Boylan, and people that were underneath the police officers that were getting struck by the police officers. | ||
You mentioned that the police officers were spraying mason pepper spray directly at the pile of people. | ||
So why don't you, let's start from the beginning. | ||
You tell us, you know, you're on the West, you're near the West entrance. | ||
Tell us from there, like your experience and what you saw that day. | ||
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For the most part, from the beginning, people weren't trying to attack police officers. | |
They were just trying to get past them. | ||
And yes, there were quick little brawls. | ||
We're talking like pushing back and forth, not trying to severely injure a police officer, nothing like that. | ||
The real fights that the news talks about in the media, where they drag the police officer down and they're beating the police officer and all that, and they say the things to the police they shouldn't be saying, that was after they killed Roseanne Boylan. | ||
That was after they almost killed me. | ||
That was after they gassed an entire crowd. | ||
It wasn't even tear gas. | ||
I'm not sure what kind of gas it was. | ||
All I know was, I couldn't breathe. | ||
I turned around and ran away as fast as I could. | ||
And I didn't trip. | ||
It's not, I didn't trip. | ||
It's not me falling down. | ||
It's the fact that my body went limp. | ||
Because I couldn't even breathe. | ||
I was not responsive. | ||
I just fell down face first because of the gas they were using on us. | ||
So these police are not innocent. | ||
They're not the heroes that the media portrays them to be. | ||
Nancy Pelosi's Selective Committee, she's literally hand-picking and selecting these far-leftist Capitol Police officers to lie for her. | ||
Like that one dumb guy, that black guy who's saying that a crowd of maggot people called him the N-word. | ||
We did a little bit of investigation into him. | ||
We found a picture of him holding up a Black Lives Matter sign, his daughter holding up a Black Lives Matter sign, and him wearing a BLM t-shirt. | ||
We also found a picture of him posing for a picture with Nancy Pelosi with a big smile on his face. | ||
We also found tweets that he posted calling the president at the time, Donald J. Trump, racist and cheap. | ||
So when this guy goes up there and says, oh yeah, MAGA people called me the n-word and all this other stuff, it's BS. | ||
It's BS. | ||
There's no proof whatsoever. | ||
I have proof that they tried to kill us. | ||
We have the pictures and everything. | ||
The reason why Nancy Pelosi won't release all the footage That everyone's telling her to release is because it shows that police officers gassed us. | ||
It shows that police officers beat us. | ||
It shows that police officers mace people that were on the ground getting crushed in a pile. | ||
They weren't fighting back, we're getting crushed. | ||
What they did was they pushed more and more people on top of us. | ||
They were beating and beating and beating. | ||
It was like something you'd see out of a movie, like in a war scene, except there's the police doing all the fighting. | ||
Uh, they knew that people were getting crushed, because while we're at the bottom of this pile, we're yelling as loud as we can, we're dying, we're dying, help, help! | ||
And then when Roseanne, she grabs my hand, but then after a little while, after about 20 seconds, she lets go. | ||
She's done. | ||
So I start yelling as loud as I can, get off me. | ||
It's because of Jake the Blank, sorry, it's because of Jake Blank. | ||
That I'm still alive. | ||
He pulled me out of there when police officers, the police officers didn't even let us get up after they pushed everyone over us. | ||
The police officers then stood on top of our body. | ||
They stood on top of Roseanne Boylan. | ||
This guy tried to give Roseanne Boylan CPR and the police started beating him. | ||
The police officers are beating people that were trying to help pull us out. | ||
Those people who tried to help pull us out, now they're sitting in prison in D.C. | ||
when the real people who should be in prison are the cops that were in the front line. | ||
What they did was beyond police brutality. | ||
If it wasn't for Jake Lang and the other people that tried to pull us out, not only would Roseanne Boylan be dead, I would be dead, at least five other people would be dead too. | ||
Because they didn't even care whether we died or not, because they saw us as Trump supporters. | ||
They don't even see us as human. | ||
They don't even see us as American citizens. | ||
Then during the select committee, you see these people go up there, get a little medal around their neck, go as recognition. | ||
But for what? | ||
What did they achieve? | ||
They didn't stop anything from happening. | ||
All they did was kill Trump supporters and that was it. | ||
And tell a bunch of lies. | ||
So your government can kill you, and here's the thing, they lied about the cause of death for Roseanne Boylan. | ||
They said that she died from a meth overdose. | ||
That was George Floyd overdose, not Roseanne Boylan. | ||
So your government can kill you, lie about killing you, cover it up, and then put a medal, a medal around their own neck and call themselves a hero after they kill you and cover it up. | ||
It's crazy. | ||
And what's amazing to me, and we've spoken about this, Phillip, is that the mainstream media has completely iced this out. | ||
You know, when it came to the political prisoners a few months ago, the mainstream media had iced it out, and there was only people like, you know, Infowars was talking about it, a couple other conservative news media was talking about it, but you didn't hear a word about these political prisoners. | ||
People thought I was lying to them when I would tell them that there were political prisoners in D.C. | ||
jail right now. | ||
So now, There's this video that has come out that we're talking about here, where we're seeing yet a second woman get killed by Capitol Police. | ||
There's been video out of a man pushed off a balcony by Capitol Police. | ||
And this has not even cracked into mainstream media, which is so frustrating. | ||
And the gentleman you're speaking of right now, when you say Jacob Lane, that is a gentleman who is in D.C. | ||
jail right now. | ||
He is in solitary confinement as we speak. | ||
In solitary confinement for one of the crimes he's being accused of is attacking a police officer, which is a very heavy crime. | ||
And now it's coming to the light that this gentleman, Jacob Lang and the others, were actually defending the people who were underneath the pile, like yourself. | ||
So you said that you were pulled out from the pile by these patriots. | ||
And there was the gentleman everybody remembers with the hockey stick, Michael Foy. | ||
He actually, you know, it says in his his lawyer has said that the reason he was swinging that hockey stick was to clear the police off of the pile of people that were getting crushed so people could do CPR. | ||
Now, if you watch that video and you have that in your head, everything changes. | ||
Like you're what people are watching the video and they're being told this narrative that these are people that are just attacking police for no reason whatsoever. | ||
When in reality now watch it, you know, when you know the truth and you'll see that, wow, maybe this this is what happened. | ||
Maybe these three guys were trying to help these people that were underneath this pile. | ||
So these three guys are in D.C. jail right now. | ||
And I wrote a story for Gateway Pundit about this and I have in front of me that the testimonies of all three of these guys paint the same exact picture. | ||
The picture, Philip, that you're you're telling us that none of the defendants and none of you guys knew each other that day. | ||
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But you're all- Yeah, I didn't know them. | |
I had no idea who they were, but they stepped in to help me when the police were trying to kill me. | ||
The police are supposed to protect- Here's the thing. | ||
If all the police were doing were swinging their fists, swinging their clubs, or pushing us with shields, I would have no complaints. | ||
I know the difference between trying to push someone back and trying to beat on someone and trying to kill someone. | ||
I know that very well. | ||
They were trying to kill us. | ||
Because even when I'm getting crushed to death, literally getting crushed to death, with Roseanne Boylan dying while she's holding my hand, I have mountains, like, waterfalls of, uh, mate. | ||
On top coming down on me when I'm at the bottom of the pile. | ||
I was so drenched in mace. | ||
I had to throw away my hoodie, my sweatshirt. | ||
I throw in my T-shirt. | ||
I did throw it all away while I'm limping with my arm over Mindy Robinson's shoulders. | ||
And she helps me walk over to a vendor where I buy a new Trump hoodie. | ||
Because it's all cold outside and stuff. | ||
You guys, do you remember how it's cold? | ||
But that's the thing. | ||
Even when I'm at the bottom of this pile, I didn't know it was maced during that time. | ||
I mean, I wasn't maced in the face while I was at the bottom of the pile, but I get drenched in so much of it that while I'm at the bottom of the pile, then I go blind. | ||
I can't see because that's how much mace they are macing the pile that much. | ||
And not just that, I thought it was blood at first, because I heard pop, pop, pop, pop, bang, bang, bang. | ||
And I thought that there was gunfire. | ||
I thought they were shooting people. | ||
So I was almost like, maybe it's a good thing I'm getting crushed down here. | ||
Maybe I have a better chance of survival than the people above, because I hear all these pops and bangs of all this warm liquid coming down on top of me. | ||
And it was a really terrifying experience. | ||
If it wasn't for Jake Lang, I definitely would be dead. | ||
Right, you mentioned, I remember it stuck in my mind, you described the feeling of being trampled. | ||
And you likened it to sort of like the analogy with a cartoon. | ||
Could you share that? | ||
Because I thought that was really powerful. | ||
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You know, like in Tom and Jerry, where you got Tom the cat, and like when these heavy weights comes down and just flattens him? | |
It's not that exaggerated. | ||
In real life, when you can have like thousands of pounds of pressure on top of you, like a double car's worth weight of pressure on top of you, you're getting flattened. | ||
That's what happened to Roseanne. | ||
She practically got flattened and she went non-responsive. | ||
With me, I lost consciousness myself because I was literally getting crushed. | ||
Getting crushed. | ||
If I hadn't had my arm over the back of my head, my head would have been smacked. | ||
Easily. | ||
Smashed. | ||
Brains coming out of my skull and everything. | ||
That's how bad it was. | ||
When you were under there, you said you felt like the Capitol Police, they were pushing people on top of you more and more and more. | ||
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I know, I know they were. | |
They 100% were. | ||
The Patriots weren't even trying to fight back against them, they're trying to get people out. | ||
And the cops didn't care. | ||
They're pushing more and more people on top of us. | ||
And yeah, that's what Antifa did to me in San Francisco, California, when they viciously attacked us. | ||
If anyone's a terrorist, it's Antifa and it's BLM because that's what they do to people. | ||
I invited Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and all the Democrats in multiple videos to come peacefully join us at my free speech rally and protest against Big Tech at United Nations Plaza in San Francisco, California. | ||
But of course, they only came to do violence. | ||
I invited them over, and I said, look, if you're going to come, be peaceful. | ||
But they attacked very viciously, and then they lie about it and say, oh, Philip Anderson came to do violence because he's a racist white supremacist. | ||
Obviously, I don't fit the description of that, but they're dishonest people. | ||
But I want to keep on topic here with that. | ||
Thanks for bringing that up, though, so that people recognize who I am from the past. | ||
The thing is, those police officers, what they did was wrong. | ||
And then for them to have the audacity, Nancy Pelosi, to hide this footage. | ||
And she has even more footage. | ||
And during the impeachment hearing with Eric Swalwell, he shows part of this footage. | ||
But he cuts out the part with Roseanne, I swear to you, you can go look it up, he cuts out the part with Roseanne Boylan's non-responsive body on the ground, he cuts out my unconscious body on the ground, and he only shows the guy lunging forward. | ||
It doesn't show how they're laying there on the ground and people are yelling, they're dead, they're dead. | ||
No, he only shows the part where the Trump supporter who just got, you know, smashed as well, I guess, lunges and swings at the police officer. | ||
I'm not saying that he should have gone at that police officer, but to cut out all the context and just say, well, they're just crazy Trump supporters. | ||
That's why they attacked the police. | ||
That is wrong. | ||
That's 100% wrong. | ||
That's the story that I was reading. | ||
I got back from January 6th, and within a day or two, the mainstream media was printing out that some of them were saying an angry Trump crowd crushed her to death, and others were saying she died of a methamphetamine overdose. | ||
And I just, my gut instinct knew that that was not true. | ||
And now this video is emerging. | ||
I tell people about this, Philip, and they don't even know that, number one, Some of them never even heard of Ashley Babbitt's name. | ||
They don't even know a first woman died. | ||
And now I'm saying a second woman died and they're looking at me like I have three heads because this is just being ignored by the mainstream media. | ||
People are being subject to watching Nancy Pelosi's committee or whatever it is she wants to call it, which I couldn't even Fair to watch. | ||
And I know we spoke about this. | ||
I turned on the TV. | ||
I tried to watch it impartially, but it was making me so sick because those police officers just seemed so disingenuous. | ||
And I don't feel like they were not investigating the right things. | ||
What they should have been investigating were the five deaths that day. | ||
How come these five deaths are not being investigated is what I want to know. | ||
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The things that I see right in front of me. | |
And the reason why is because they want to push their narrative. | ||
They only care about pushing their narrative to help the Democrats They don't care about simple things like right and wrong. | ||
I want the truth to be told, and I want the right thing to be done, and for justice to be served, regardless of who looks bad and who looks good while it's being done. | ||
We're human beings. | ||
Of course. | ||
We're Americans. | ||
We need to have truth, justice. | ||
That's what we need to have, but they don't care about that. | ||
Even though we saw up close, we saw the police push this guy off the railing, and he falls several feet right on his back. | ||
And he's carried out. | ||
We think that he died. | ||
I don't know because they don't tell us. | ||
They hide these things from us. | ||
And then he holds up his middle finger. | ||
Not that specific guy, but one of the cap—they pretend to be heroes. | ||
It's disgusting. | ||
The police officer pushes a Trump supporter off the wall, off the railing. | ||
He falls, and after he pushes him and the crowd gets mad at him, he holds up his middle finger to all of us. | ||
He holds up his middle finger to us after he allegedly kills someone. | ||
Who does that? | ||
What kind of police officer kills someone and then flicks off the crowd? | ||
And that's the reason why people got mad. | ||
They were straight up killing people. | ||
Like, I'm not just saying that. | ||
It's the truth. | ||
No, I was there that day. | ||
You know, people were getting agitated and mad as the day wore on because of the treatment by Capitol Police, because of, you know, the way that they were, they were really raining down on Trump supporters that day. | ||
The Nancy Pelosi committee, we had, I think that, so there's this thing we're doing now. | ||
It's called, I want to tell you about it so maybe you could be part of it. | ||
We're calling it the People's. | ||
committee for january 6th we the people need to figure out the truth and we're starting to like by writing stories like this i wrote for the gateway pundit by you coming out with your story and you speaking out the gateway pundit we're encouraging all americans that were there that day if you have any tips if you have any stories if you know anything about the gentleman that was pushed by the capitol police that that a lot of people think was um that he died and he was one of the four reported deaths so there was four reported deaths besides the police officer and you know what's scary philip is the only one that they've really investigated | ||
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is that of the police officer what about the civilians they are not getting the same investigation they didn't even They knew the truth about the police officer, and initially they lied about it from the beginning. | |
They said, oh, he was murdered by a Trump supporter. | ||
That ended up not being true whatsoever. | ||
They said he was killed when he was hit with a fire extinguisher. | ||
That was also false. | ||
They said that he died, that he was killed that day. | ||
That was also false. | ||
They lie and lie. | ||
They try so hard to defend the police when it suits them. | ||
For an entire year, they were trying to kill police and trying to burn down cities and saying, abolish police, defund police. | ||
Now the police are their heroes. | ||
They're so fake. | ||
I can't stand how fake these people are. | ||
Just tell the truth. | ||
Yeah, I feel you. | ||
And I don't know if we have Ned Lang on the phone. | ||
Is he on? | ||
Yeah, he wanted to call in. | ||
Ned Lang is Jacob Lang's father. | ||
Is he on? | ||
I know you had spoken to the father of Jacob, and I know that you were very surprised, Philip, to hear that the man who had saved your life and pulled you out from underneath the crowd that you say that the Capitol Police pushed on top of you is in solitary confinement being silenced. | ||
I mean, you can't make this stuff up. | ||
So we have his dad right now on the line, Ned Lang. | ||
And I would like you guys to have a conversation about what happened that day. | ||
And I know, Ned, you're very frustrated because your son, he's in solitary confinement. | ||
He's unable to really get his voice out to the media and say what really happened that day. | ||
Then this video emerges of him saving Philip Anderson, and the story changes. | ||
Maybe these guys, it could be reasonably said, were defending themselves that day. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
So listen, I talked to Jake today and the good news is they brought him back up to the Patriot Unit. | ||
And that's because of all the hard work and all the effort and all the people speaking out and all the people bringing all this pressure against the DOJ, the FBI and the DOC. | ||
So the good news is my son is back up at the Patriot Unit now. | ||
They actually had a little smorgasbord last night that they put together. | ||
And so they're all rejoicing and finding strength within their own. | ||
It was the most amazing thing when I introduced Philip and my son the other day, who had not ever spoken before in their lives. | ||
And I put them together. | ||
And thank God, Philip, that you came out and stood up and spoke about exactly what happened that day. | ||
And then we got to actually find you and meet you. | ||
And my son and you had a fantastic conversation the other day on the phone for the first time. | ||
And I'll tell you, that was one of the greatest moments of my life, because my son was there. | ||
Everybody was there. | ||
Nobody was there to cause harm. | ||
Nobody was there to have an insurrection, as far as I know, as far as the Trump supporters. | ||
And maybe there's other Antifa folks there. | ||
Not even maybe, they were. | ||
And BLM or some of the other folks that were there. | ||
But for the most part, that was a very holistic Strong, national type of get-together. | ||
The election was stolen from us. | ||
People were angry. | ||
People wanted some resolve. | ||
People wanted some answers. | ||
They were there for that. | ||
They marched down to the Capitol, not to raise hell or hurt anybody. | ||
They marched down to the Capitol as a protest march, just like they did back in the 60s with Martin Luther King. | ||
The government did us wrong. | ||
The people were harmed. | ||
Our democracy was flagged. | ||
And it's got to stop. | ||
So what happened that day, you know, was very holistic. | ||
You know, people were pissed off and it was just a protest march. | ||
And as far as from what I can tell, and from what I've heard, and Phillip, this is what you said the other day with my son, is that you all were just standing there on the Capitol steps. | ||
Nobody was trying to go into the, you know, hurt the Congress or nobody was trying to, you know, do some sort of... You were all just standing there on the steps of the Capitol. | ||
And then the Capitol Police or some paramilitary type of police unit or military unit started putting flash grenades in the middle of you, started hitting you guys with all kind of tear gas and these flash or dazzlers, whatever they're called, and then all hell erupted. | ||
And that's when everything went downhill and people were trying to defend themselves and save other people from this over Over exerted over militaristic type of police brutality that or military brutality that was raining down on them now. | ||
And it was merely a survival type of situation, not any type of offensive type of, you know, maneuver or, you know, trying to get into capital. | ||
They were just trying to save themselves and save other Americans that were there. | ||
He's absolutely right when he says that it was not an insurrection. | ||
If it was an insurrection, we would have killed every single person inside that building. | ||
We easily could have killed them. | ||
They would all be dead, but we killed no one because we never planned to do it. | ||
We never talked about doing it, and we never would do it. | ||
It's a straight up lie when they say that it was an insurrection. | ||
Ned was talking earlier about how people were hurt by the police. | ||
There's things that people don't even talk about. | ||
Like this one guy was blasted in the face by the police. | ||
He has a hole in the side of his face. | ||
Right. | ||
And the media won't even touch it. | ||
You know, there's another person who died. | ||
We could go on and on and on about this and this is why we're gonna have to continue this conversation at a later date and I think that you need to come back on because there's so much more to the both of you both of your story and we have to demand answers like we only have a minute left but we can into the next break but we have to demand answers from the Congress there needs to be a separate investigation separate from Congress they are completely biased It has to be separate. | ||
We the people need to demand an investigation into these other capital deaths, into the police brutality that day, that we're hearing from so many sources that are coming out now. | ||
So go to www.citizensapp.us, which is the site that I started, Citizens Against Political Persecution. | ||
If you have any tips, if you want to volunteer for the peoples, | ||
January 6th commission because we have to find out the truth ourselves and I've been working with you Philip and Ned you and I talk all of all of the time and it's literally up to us the people to dig deeper to find video to talk to our fellow American citizens all around the country and find out what the truth is and to put it out there on podcast put it there out there on shows like this that are actually interested in hearing the truth and it is just so important we're encouraging everybody to come forward if you have any information. | ||
Right. | ||
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You want to talk about September 18th before it's done? | |
September 18th? | ||
Really? | ||
We're all going to be in front of DC Jail. | ||
We are going to petition to get these guys out of jail on September 18th. | ||
Everybody needs to be there. | ||
outside of DC jail. | ||
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Hey, everybody, welcome back. | |
Thank you so much, Owen Shroyer, for letting me sit in tonight and talk about January 6th and bring some more light to January 6th, which I feel like is so important now because of the January 6th committee that Nancy Pelosi started and we had to suffer through watching last week. | ||
I think it's so important to continue to, as citizens, shed some light on January 6th and continue to fight the narrative that the mainstream media is putting out there, that the politicians are putting out there. | ||
So, I wanted to bring on a guest today. | ||
He has spoken at one of the rallies that I organized in New York City. | ||
His name is Joseph McBride. | ||
He's an attorney and he's one of the very few, very brave attorneys that have stepped forward to defend the January 6th detainees, January 6th political prisoners. | ||
There's cancel culture everywhere, including in the law. | ||
And from what I understand, there are a lot of lawyers who don't really want to get involved, even if they believe these guys need fair legal representation or not. | ||
They don't want to put their reputation on the line. | ||
They don't want to be canceled. | ||
So there's attorneys like Joseph McBride who have stepped up to the plate. | ||
They are speaking out for these January 6th gentlemen who were in D.C. | ||
jail right now. | ||
They're speaking against political persecution and they're defending these citizens that are being politically persecuted. | ||
So thank you so much, Mr. McBride, for coming on. | ||
Thank you for speaking at the rally that we had in New York City in Foley Square. | ||
I think it was two Sundays ago or last Sunday. | ||
Your great speech. | ||
The crowd really learned a lot that day, I think. | ||
And you're representing two, I believe, two January 6th Prisoners. | ||
Am I correct? | ||
If you could share a little bit. | ||
I know you can't really share much about the cases, but if you could just give us a brief overview of who you are and who you're representing right now. | ||
Sure thing. | ||
So thanks for having me on. | ||
It's good to see you. | ||
My name is Joseph McBride. | ||
I represent Richard Barnett and recently picked up the case of Christopher Quaglin. | ||
Richard Barnett is famously known for being the man Who had his feet up on a desk in Speaker Pelosi's office. | ||
And Christopher Quaglin is a new case. | ||
It's a different case. | ||
He's somebody that did not enter the Capitol, but is still being charged and prosecuted as if he were a terrorist and is looking at a significant time in jail. | ||
So we are ready to take charge of his case and we are ready to defend him just as vigorously as we have been defending Richard's case since Jump Street. | ||
Great. | ||
And I know that you had mentioned, thank you so much for that, and I know that you had mentioned that there are some letters that you wrote. | ||
You wrote an emergency request to investigate treatment of the pre-child detainees from January 6th. | ||
And I believe you mentioned that you addressed this to Amnesty International, the ACLU, who have been basically, I mean, how come we haven't heard from the ACLU and Amnesty International? | ||
So it's like we're reaching out with these letters. | ||
Could you tell me, have you heard a response from them and a little bit more about These documents that you submitted to them. | ||
Sure, so far there's been no response whatsoever. | ||
There is a long storied and beautiful history of liberal America, liberal defense attorneys, liberal academia, sort of fighting for the rights of pretrial detainees. | ||
Most, I mean it goes all the way back to the Civil War, World War II, but most recently it happened with religious Muslims who were being held Uh, in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba who were accused of international terrorism crimes. | ||
They were held without due process for years and months. | ||
They were tortured. | ||
They were waterboarded. | ||
The liberal organizations jumped out and said, Hey, this is the United States of America. | ||
We don't do that. | ||
No matter what the danger, no matter what's going on, they're entitled to some type of due process. | ||
Let's get them a fed. | ||
Let's get them defense attorneys. | ||
Let's make sure that human rights are not being violated. | ||
Let's do this the right way, above board by the book. | ||
So those organizations have been silent with regard to the prosecution and unlawful detention of January Sixers. | ||
January Sixers have been routinely held in solitary confinement for extremely long periods of time. | ||
since January 7th, those who were arrested the same day the next day. | ||
They opened up a wing of the prison in D.C. Central Detention Facility, which we have coined D.C. Gitmo, specifically for them, kept them in there 23 hours a day, 24 hours a day, using COVID-19 as a pretext. | ||
Inhumane conditions, black mold, brown drinking water, solitary confinement. | ||
Some of them have endured brutal beatings. | ||
Others have been starved. | ||
Others have been denied medical care. | ||
Others have been... | ||
Cut off from their attorneys, cut off from their family, you name it, it has happened. | ||
This is pre-trial detention. | ||
These people haven't had their day in court. | ||
They've been merely accused of a crime. | ||
Be that as it may, we have been screaming this from the mountaintops, to the ACLU, to Amnesty International, to the United Nations, to the Biden administration, to Attorney General Merrick Garland, and we haven't heard squat. | ||
Not a thing from them, because they apparently do not care. | ||
Right. | ||
No, I know. | ||
It's very frustrating. | ||
And what's frustrating for me is seeing Merrick Garland make statements like when he's bragging, oh, we just hit a benchmark. | ||
500 American citizens we have arrested. | ||
And we're going to go for more. | ||
He's saying it like it's a good thing. | ||
Like it's something to brag about. | ||
These are American citizens we're talking about there that were most of them were peaceful protesters. | ||
They've arrested people that weren't even in the Capitol that day. | ||
So, you know, you have Joe Biden. | ||
I don't even know if he is aware that he has prisoners. | ||
It kind of reminds me of like the analogy of like a king and there's like all these prisoners down in the dungeon. | ||
You know, here's Biden in the White House, like And then a couple of miles away in D.C. jail is all of these prisoners. | ||
Does he even know they're there? | ||
Does he care? | ||
I don't know. | ||
Apparently, the ACLU and Amnesty International doesn't care. | ||
Mainstream media just really started covering this. | ||
It's such a violation of human rights. | ||
And I think that the scary thing is people on the left are sort of gloating about it. | ||
They're sort of like, oh, they belong in jail. | ||
And it's almost like they're gloating about it, not realizing that if you set this judicial precedent, and I'm sure you could speak on this, Joseph, that this could come right back and could come swing right back at them. | ||
You know, if an administration changes or if they fall out of favor, all of a sudden they're not going to be useful anymore. | ||
And then all of a sudden Black Lives Matter protesters are now getting thrown in prison in Washington, D.C. | ||
with no bail, in solitary confinement. | ||
You know? | ||
Whether it's on the left or on the right, that's wrong. | ||
But I don't think that they're putting that together. | ||
They're not making that connection. | ||
Merrick Garland and Joe Biden are relying on the power of social media, on the mainstream media, on pop culture, to demonize Trump supporters. | ||
They have grossly underestimated the libertarian movement, the conservative movement, the spirit of patriotism in this country. | ||
It is very unfortunate. | ||
This is the first time in the history of the United States of America that the That whatever political party is in power, now it's the Democrats and members of the left, are actively hunting down members of the opposition party and jailing them for political dissidence. | ||
You can coin this, you can phrase this, you can reframe this any way you want. | ||
These arrests are 100% political, designed to suppress speech, designed to suppress political opposition, designed to radicalize good, wholesome, traditionally beautiful terms like patriot and patriotism. | ||
If you are a patriot, you are somehow now prone or predisposed to domestic terror. | ||
It is ridiculous. | ||
It is wrong. | ||
It is anti-American. | ||
It is disgusting. | ||
And they, you know, they're assuming that they're going to be in power forever, but they're wrong. | ||
You know, the political dynamic will change eventually. | ||
They are so angry that President Trump was elected in 2016, and they still haven't got over the bitterness. | ||
They're possessed with a spirit of rage and retribution and vengeance. | ||
It's being taken out on January 6ers. | ||
Instead of legitimately at the ballot box. | ||
It's very unfortunate and it's wrong and it is absolutely, without a doubt, unheard of in all of jurisprudence. | ||
In order for you to be held in the federal system, you have to be deemed a danger to society or a flight risk or some combination of both of them under the Bail Reform Act. | ||
The vast majority of the people who went to the Capitol on January 6th did so, protected under the First Amendment. | ||
They showed up there to petition their government for redress of grievances because they disagreed with the election result. | ||
The vast majority of them had no criminal records, and they were peaceful, peaceful, peaceful people. | ||
But despite that fact, if you showed up that day, you're being cancelled on Facebook, you're being fired in the workplace, and you're being dragged into the D.C. | ||
Gulag, into D.C. | ||
Gitmo, where you will stay in unsanitary, horrible conditions until they force a plea from you, until they get information from you, until something, until they get what they want from you, unless more lawyers and more human rights activists stand up. | ||
This is wrong. | ||
It needs to stop now. | ||
America needs to wake up. | ||
Yeah, for sure. | ||
And it's not just confined to the 500, 600 people arrested. | ||
The FBI has been terrorizing citizens, thousands upon thousands. | ||
Countless people have been visited, gotten visits from the FBI. | ||
They come in their house. | ||
I have a gentleman who's going to come on after you. | ||
They came in his house. | ||
They took his hard drives. | ||
They took his computers. | ||
They didn't arrest him. | ||
And they took his two MAGA hats and his MAGA socks as evidence. | ||
I mean, if this wasn't so serious, it would be literally like, it would be funny. | ||
It's not funny, though. | ||
You're taking someone's Donald Trump hats and socks as evidence. | ||
The FBI is coming to people's houses. | ||
They're coming in armored vehicles, they're coming with AK-15s, AK-45s. | ||
Literally a gentleman that contacted our organization said they were in the tree in his backyard with the gun pointed in at his little sister. | ||
Okay, this is how FBI agents are showing up. | ||
They're terrorizing neighborhoods. | ||
People are hearing these stories and everybody's saying to themselves, oh my God, maybe I should just shut up. | ||
Maybe I should just not be outspoken on social media. | ||
Maybe I shouldn't be opinionated about anything because the FBI could show up at my house. | ||
Is this normal? | ||
Is this a complete violation of freedom of speech and expression when you have Biden's henchmen at this point, which is, let's be real, it's the FBI coming to people's houses and terrorizing them. | ||
None of this is normal. | ||
None of this is status quo. | ||
This is all unprecedented. | ||
You have big tech, Facebook, Google, Apple, working as the privatized arm of the security and surveillance apparatus. | ||
These companies are essentially an extension of the NSA, the FBI, and the CIA. | ||
They're operating outside the scope of the Constitution under the pretext that they are private entities and therefore that stuff doesn't apply. | ||
It's wrong. | ||
We have to sue. | ||
We have to litigate. | ||
We have to litigate these cases. | ||
Just the other day, Facebook and Apple announced on their new announcement that they are going to scan all iClouds in perpetuity for child pornography. | ||
Now, child pornography is disgusting and it's wrong. | ||
It's evil and no one should ever have it. | ||
But they're using one of the most grave and perverted parts of our society as a pretext To search everybody's iCloud account. | ||
What does that mean for attorney-client privilege? | ||
It's disgusting. | ||
It's horrible. | ||
You can't do that, but they're doing it nonetheless. | ||
And when you combine that with the fact that the executive branch, Joe Biden's Justice Department, is just operating the way that smacks jurisprudence in the Supreme Court in the face, we really have to ask ourselves what's going on here. | ||
I hope some of these cases make it to the Supreme Court because this is our last hope. | ||
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If the Supreme Court doesn't rule, we're in trouble. | |
How do we find out? | ||
We could get to another case in a second. | ||
We could talk about that. | ||
I think it's Supreme Court material, but really quick question about the judges. | ||
You know, we have, we, everybody knows these politicians by name and these executive branch legislators, but it's like, how do we hold these judges accountable? | ||
I've heard some terrible decisions. | ||
These judges are the ones who had decided to keep these guys in there detained. | ||
And you have these judges who are making crazy comments like calling them white supremacists, telling them that they're disgusting, mocking them literally at their trials when they offer their defense. | ||
I've heard stories of judges who have literally mocked their defense. | ||
Judges are supposed to be impartial. | ||
And how do we hold these judges accountable that are completely, in my opinion, abusing the law? | ||
The way you hold them accountable is by getting them overruled. | ||
So us lawyers and lawyers who are on these other cases, Where they have judges who are operating outside of the scope of jurisprudence, outside of the scope of statutory law, outside of the scope of legal precedent, you know, flouting the Constitution, ignoring the amendments. | ||
Eventually these cases are going to make it to the Supreme Court. | ||
I think, I believe in my heart, I'm just, this is a working assumption here, but I don't think that the Justice Department saw a certain, you know, this group of attorneys coming. | ||
There is a group of attorneys out there in the world, in America, who just are not going to stand for this. | ||
They are not going to stand for this. | ||
And the law is on their side. | ||
The law is clearly on their side. | ||
So while these battles may be temporary victories for the prosecution, and while the judges might be able to grandstand and demonize people in court for now, Once these cases make their way up, the people who decide not to plea out, this is when the rubber will meet the road, and you have to believe that the higher courts will put a stop to this, because it's blatantly disgusting, and it's absolutely wrong. | ||
Right, I think they're overplaying their hand, that's the feeling I'm getting. | ||
I think that watching the January 6th committee on TV, it was sickening. | ||
I think even people on the left kind of, like you can't, that's the thing, you can't, these people aren't actors, these cops, even though they appear to be, and I really feel like people saw right through. | ||
Those quote-unquote performances of the January 6th committee, Nancy Pelosi's special committee. | ||
So I think people are seeing through it. | ||
I think they're really overplaying their hand, throwing these guys in jail now as the truth is coming out to the light. | ||
And lawyers like you are standing up for these people. | ||
I think that the real January 6th commission is going to be the trials. | ||
Hopefully some of these guys don't plea bargain like you mentioned. | ||
That's why we have to get them out of D.C. | ||
jail so that they can await trial in their homes, so they can await trial in their neighborhoods, they could be fit to stand trial, and they could be, like I said, fit to stand trial and able to go and prove to the world what really happened. | ||
Everybody wants to see the discovery. | ||
We all want to see the video. | ||
We all want to hear the arguments. | ||
This is what we want to hear. | ||
This is going to be the real January 6th commission. | ||
I agree. | ||
I'll say this, what they're doing is, this is a very First off, it's a dog and pony show, right? | ||
Every Republican that was on that committee, or that is on that committee, voted to impeach Trump. | ||
The rest of the Democrats can't stand Trump, and they hate anybody and everybody who voted for him, or who even blows a kiss in President Trump's direction. | ||
It's blatantly obvious what they're trying to do. | ||
What they're also trying to do is create subjective evidence for trial. | ||
This is not an objective commission, but they're going to be able to say, hey, you know, on such and such date, During these hearings, Officer Fanone tested to this and Officer So-and-so tested to that. | ||
And because it's a congressional hearing, it should therefore be given credence and accepted as evidence in court. | ||
That can't happen. | ||
This is going to be a huge battle that we have, that us lawyers have, keeping this evidence out because it's wrong and it hasn't been obtained the right way. | ||
When you combine that with the fact that Nancy Pelosi is without a doubt trying and very successfully poisoning the entire jury pool, especially the jury pool in Washington, DC, you know, this becomes nefarious. | ||
The intent is clear here, is that we're going to beat you either by the, we're not going to beat you by the rules. | ||
We're going to beat you instead of the rules. | ||
We understand the rules are there, but we're going to work around the rules. | ||
We're going to find a way to damage things beyond recognition so that you can't get a fair trial. | ||
You know, this sounds familiar. | ||
You know, it wasn't too long ago where people were accusing them of breaking the rules to achieve something else, and now they're doing it again. | ||
This is very quickly becoming their MO. | ||
Right. | ||
And let's talk about the Supreme Court. | ||
I do think that there are cases that should go to the Supreme Court if any time now, you know, with the justices that we have there. | ||
I mean, I do have a little bit of faith that they would make the right decision when it comes to the Constitution. | ||
And there is a case in particular, and I know we had spoken about the Timothy Hill-Cusinelli case, that was a gentleman who Just to familiarize anyone that doesn't know, he walked into the Capitol and it is acknowledged in the statement of facts, the FBI statement of facts, that he was not violent, that he did not break anything, that he walked out peacefully, and he was completely non-violent. | ||
He's still in jail right now. | ||
He's been in there six months. | ||
So the reason that the judge is keeping him in there, and this was written by an Obama appointed judge, the decision was they're going to keep him there on his, he had an appeal and they denied his appeal for bail saying that based on his past speech, more or less based on his past speech and his reading material and hearsay from his co-workers that he's quote unquote racist and a white supremacist, which as we know nowadays, you know, a lot of people could get called a racist and a white supremacist. | ||
And they're not. | ||
It's something that people are using very liberally, calling people racist, white supremacists. | ||
So that's subjective. | ||
And there is a such thing, regardless of if I agree or not with someone's speech as freedom of speech, I would defend anybody's right to freedom of speech, even if it completely offended me. | ||
100%. | ||
Because he had said some things in the past that were perceived to be racist, but they were not violent, and they did not have a call to violence. | ||
Because he had a copy of Mein Kampf in his house, along with 4,000 other books, because he's a bookworm, so that's a fact, there were 4,000 other books, including the Bible and the Quran. | ||
And because his co-workers at the FBI interrogated said he was, they felt maybe he was a white supremacist, possibly. | ||
Therefore, he's going to be kept in prison indefinitely until his trial in possibly 2022. | ||
Based on his speech, I mean, is this the craziest thing you ever heard? | ||
Could that go to the Supreme Court? | ||
This is what they're doing. | ||
They are hamstringing a defendant's ability to artfully and powerfully Defend themselves in this case because for somebody like him, even if he pled guilty to whatever they're accusing him of, his time would have been served already. | ||
But they're going to keep him in jail till 2022 until he actually gets his day in court. | ||
So people are taking police. | ||
People are taking police because they're being overcharged and because they're being threatened with years and years and years of jail time that's certainly unjustified. | ||
This is precisely why I became an attorney. | ||
I became an attorney because my brother was threatened with 125 years of incarceration. | ||
My brother has paranoid schizophrenia. | ||
He was threatened with 125 years of incarceration. | ||
Was convinced into taking a plea of 15 years because it would be better for him. | ||
And that was it. | ||
His life was over. | ||
For doing nothing wrong. | ||
The guy was innocent. | ||
But that's what they do. | ||
They threaten you. | ||
This is the MO of the justice system across the board. | ||
Let's be honest. | ||
It's been happening to blacks and Latinos for a long time in this country. | ||
And one side has been crying out about it, and the other side has been silent. | ||
But now that the roles have been reversed, one would think that the people who have been crying out about this the whole time, especially the attorneys, would be upset that this is now happening again on this scale. | ||
But they're not. | ||
It's wrong. | ||
It's unconstitutional. | ||
And the bad part about it is, the majority of these people who take pleas, their cases are not going to go to Supreme Court. | ||
You know, they will reach finality. | ||
It's going to be very, very difficult for that to happen. | ||
The guys and gals who make it to the Supreme Court are going to be the ones who are going to say, I'm willing to sit here and endure this until 2022 pre-trial in order to make the right thing happen. | ||
The FBI, the DOJ knows that people are going to be predisposed to getting the hell out of there because it's disgusting and it's wrong and it's abusive. | ||
And they're betting on that happening first before people You know, understandably saying, look, I'll sit in here for another year or two until I get my day in court. | ||
It's wrong. | ||
It's unconstitutional and unheard of. | ||
Yeah, no, it totally is. | ||
I mean, it's terrible. | ||
And you would think that it would be a sort of, like, I was sort of hoping after January 6th, seeing, you know, a lot of the violence, the Capitol Police and a lot of the, you know, the justice system just acting terribly. | ||
It would sort of be an olive branch between the two groups, between the left and the right. | ||
But, you know, the news media has always finds a way to just tear everybody apart and, you know, say, oh, it's because of white supremacy. | ||
They just throw that buzzword out there, white supremacy. | ||
And then all of a sudden, everybody's divided. | ||
Oh, they got away with it. | ||
They're getting away with it because they're privileged, because they're white, but they don't know that these people are still sitting in prison in solitary confinement because the media is not reporting about it. | ||
So, you know, I do put a lot of blame on mainstream media for not fairly reporting things and for, you know, for the clickbait. | ||
They have the whole thing where, you know, the racial clickbait. | ||
It's very frustrating because I hate to see divide. | ||
It really bothers me more than anything else, you know. | ||
So I don't know. | ||
For me, it's like one of these cases have to go to the Supreme Court. | ||
And I think that one that I just mentioned has the best chance. | ||
What do you think about this new information coming out now that perhaps a lot of the defendants, a lot of the detainees, are acting in self-defense against Capitol Police? | ||
Because this seems to be an emerging witnesses saying that they actually were trying to fight police off of people that were being trampled and killed. | ||
And there was that whole may lamb may, you know, scuffle right by the west entrance of the Capitol where you saw the guy swinging the hockey stick and you saw, you know, some people pushing and shoving. | ||
And the narrative was these people are trying to get in the door. | ||
They're trying to attack police. | ||
But now witnesses are coming forward saying, no, actually, there was American citizens under there getting crushed and trampled. | ||
And those people, we were trying to save them. | ||
You know, there's laws, good Samaritan laws, there's laws in general that say if you see somebody in danger, it's your responsibility to sort of help. | ||
You know, just like in the case with George Floyd, a lot of people saw somebody that they felt was being, you know, killed by police. | ||
And a lot of people say that if they were there that day, they would have tried to intervene. | ||
And it's the same sort of case here where you're looking at What looks to me like people are possibly, that could possibly be a defense. | ||
What do you think? | ||
Look, it's certainly a cognizable defense in a court of law. | ||
I mean, self-defense is a justification defense, right? | ||
You're allowed to use proportionate force for yourself or for somebody who's in your immediate area where you have a realistic belief that they are in bodily harm, deadly harm. | ||
You know, the defense level goes up and down depending on the type of harm. | ||
There are widespread reports, and I have seen videos in my discovery as well, of people charging at police and police charging at people unprovoked. | ||
This is a fact. | ||
This definitely happened on multiple occasions. | ||
I know for certain that after certain people, for instance, Richard Barnett, when he was ordered out of Speaker Pelosi's office, he left Peacefully went into the rotunda or rotunda area. | ||
I don't know the name of it. | ||
I'm going to have my my capital tour this weekend, so I'll know the ins and outs of that building. | ||
I've never been there before inside, but he went into a circular area and they were locked in. | ||
And they were locked in by the police there for a long time and the crowd grew bigger and bigger and it went from being like 12 o'clock at the train station to rush hour real quick and things got intense and words got exchanged. | ||
All that could have been avoided if they just opened up the doors and let people go. | ||
Why the hell did they put everybody in there and then start forcing people with their shields and forcing people with their sticks and cursing at people and telling them get the hell out of here and making a scene where no scene needed to happen. | ||
Right. | ||
Were there times when the officers' lives were in danger through no fault of their own? | ||
Yes. | ||
Were there times where protesters were attacked or were pushed or were maced or any of those things through no fault of their own as well? | ||
Yes. | ||
And you have to think about the bigger context here. | ||
This isn't the first time that a group of protesters have showed up to the Capitol and have infiltrated the Capitol, maybe in this way, but Code Pink protesters were there for Justice Kavanaugh's a confirmation hearing not long ago, and there have been other times where a mass group of people have infiltrated the Capitol, protested, and left. | ||
This didn't have to be as violent as it was. | ||
It got that way for reasons that we still do not understand. | ||
My suggestion, like any other defense attorney suggestion, and like the public suggestion, is going to be release the totality of the video. | ||
You do not get to cherry pick what videos and what pictures you want to release to defense attorneys and to the public. | ||
If you have 300,000 hours of video, you better turn all that over. | ||
299,000 is not enough. | ||
You got to turn it all over. | ||
Because at trial, if You know, if it's not there, it's going to be a big question about why haven't they provided this video? | ||
What are they hiding? | ||
And if we can get that across as lawyers, that's without a doubt, reasonable doubt. | ||
And a lot of these cases will be won through the absence of those videos. | ||
Right. | ||
Thank you so much. | ||
I think the most important thing, too, is informing the American public and getting that more out into the mainstream conversation that there's more video and there's more tapes and there's more to this than they've been told. | ||
They've been shown very few pictures, very few video. | ||
The news reruns the same exact footage over and over again. | ||
There's thousands of hours more footage. | ||
A real investigation needs to be done, not Nancy Pelosi's very biased committee. | ||
I think it should be completely separate from the Congress because they were, quote unquote, they're calling themselves victims in this. | ||
A completely nonpartisan committee to investigate exactly what happened that day. | ||
And I'm not talking about giving, you know, Capitol Police Medals of Honor and political theater. | ||
I mean an actual real investigation into the deaths, a real investigation into the violence that day. | ||
So thank you again so much for being on. | ||
How can we follow you and the cases? | ||
I'm going to encourage everyone to go on citizensapp.us to find out more information on the prisoners and where could we follow you? | ||
McBrideLawNYC on Twitter, on Gab, on IG. | ||
McBrideLawNYC.com is my website. | ||
You can follow me there. | ||
And I just recently launched a Substack page because I was getting banned from my writing was getting banned on the internet. | ||
So it's fightthepower.substack.com. | ||
Find my writings there. | ||
Find our recent letter to Amnesty International and the ACLU there. | ||
Thank you so much for your support. | ||
Please pray for me and for my family and for our clients as we pray for you guys as well. | ||
Thank you so much. | ||
And thank you again for being brave enough, Joseph, to defend these prisoners and to speak out for them because 'cause there's so far and few in between attorneys that are doing so. | ||
It's good to be here. | ||
Thank you so much. | ||
You're welcome. | ||
Have a great night. | ||
All right, you too. | ||
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Hey. | |
Hey, welcome back, everybody. | ||
Hey, welcome back everybody. | ||
So thanks again to Owen Schreyer for letting me sit in tonight on his show. | ||
It's a very big honor. | ||
I'm a very big fan of Owen, and I feel like he's one of, you know, one of the best journalists out there right now. | ||
So, I wanted to introduce the audience to somebody that I actually came across on Instagram. | ||
I was laying in bed one night, and I was just, a friend of mine sent me a link to a very, very funny Instagram page. | ||
This is an actor. | ||
His name is Siaka, and he Siaka, there you are. | ||
How are you? | ||
And I'm going to let you tell the audience your last name because I don't want to offend you and mess it up. | ||
What's your, how do, Massaquah? | ||
Did I do, did I get that right? | ||
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Yeah, Massaquah, perfect. | |
Massaquah, okay. | ||
Siaka Massaquah. | ||
So we spoke on the phone a few weeks ago and it's nice to see your face. | ||
And, um, I thought you're, so you do, um, comedy and you kind of make fun of situations that really kind of like, I guess right now we need a little comedy in life, but just to give people background on your story, you're an actor in California. | ||
And you're an activist. | ||
You were there on January 6th. | ||
The FBI came to your house. | ||
They did not arrest you. | ||
But they confiscated your hard drives, your phones, your computer, your MAGA gear. | ||
They took your MAGA hats. | ||
Two of them. | ||
Two MAGA hats. | ||
Were they both red? | ||
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Yes, they were. | |
Right, right, right. | ||
So, um, and you have a lawsuit and I was really amazed when I said, Oh my God, this guy is like, you know, I want to join this lawsuit for FBI harassment. | ||
I've been harassed by the FBI. | ||
So you're suing the FBI for taking your possessions, which is unconstitutional. | ||
Um, you, you, you use them to make a living. | ||
This is one of your sketches, right? | ||
You and your actor friends in LA, you got to make your own stuff because of cancel culture nowadays. | ||
So this is what I saw this funny sketch comedy that you did where it's like these officers from the FBI come in and they um you know kick in the door and they come in and they confiscate all the maggot gear in the house. | ||
Now in any other circumstance this stuff would be funny and actually you do make it funny and I was I was really laughing that night when I watched it but this is like serious. | ||
You know the FBI is coming in and they're taking Donald Trump Paraphernalia, like bobbleheads. | ||
If they came to my house, they would take my Trump teddy bears, you know? | ||
And this is FBI evidence? | ||
They take this as evidence? | ||
Is this real? | ||
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Well, you know, I was told they saw me on, that's what they saw on the camera, me wearing a MAGA hat. | |
That's why they had to take it, so. | ||
I don't know. | ||
I heard other stories from other people like you. | ||
People have contacted Citizens Against Political Persecution, and you're a very politically persecuted person, and given me the same story. | ||
They took the Trump socks. | ||
They took the Trump hat. | ||
A girl told me they took her Trump jersey that she had specially made that she never wore anywhere. | ||
It was sort of like framed for her. | ||
You know, they arrested her and they took all her Trump gear. | ||
So this is real. | ||
This is a real thing. | ||
But you're very politically persecuted. | ||
They came to your house. | ||
I know you've been an outspoken activist and now you're suing the FBI. | ||
So there's a big lawsuit. | ||
It's a class action lawsuit. | ||
As we know, the FBI has been terrorizing the American people. | ||
Why don't you give us a little bit of background on your lawsuit that you have? | ||
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Well, the lawsuit, first of all, thank you for having me on, Karen. | |
It's good to actually get to see you as well, live, and we have great conversations. | ||
Yeah, so this lawsuit was put together by, you know, Freedom Watch, myself, and Larry Klaman, who is my attorney. | ||
We are going, we're suing the FBI, Christopher Wray, the head of the FBI, Chad Warren, he was a lead agent that day, as well as 20 other agents that came into my home, guns drawn, automatic weapons and tactical gear as if I was some terrorist that was running guns or somebody running, you know, sex trafficking or something, which I advocate against vocally. | ||
And you can see that anywhere on my social media. | ||
You know, they came in as well as the United States government. | ||
So, you know, in that, from just what I experienced, which We believe and we've seen it was just a gross negligence at best, but a government overreach at best of our rights here as citizens of this country. | ||
It doesn't matter who you are, you shouldn't be politically persecuted because you support a conservative or the other side or the guy that has been told, you know, this is not who we like. | ||
So they came in, they cuffed myself, my friends, my best friend in front of his two boys, three and seven. | ||
They cuffed the other roommates, and by the time they took me out, I was wearing nothing but my sweatpants, no shirt, no shoes. | ||
I saw no one that I recognized, because by that point, everyone else was taken away. | ||
And the only one I did see was my three-year-old godson being in the arms of some agent, put in the car. | ||
And all I kept thinking was, this is just wrong. | ||
Top to bottom, nothing else, this is wrong. | ||
And if they wanted to see any footage, they should go ask Instagram on why they took down the video that I posted that day that showed what I was doing. | ||
Right, right. | ||
So they came, they took all your hard drives. | ||
This is how you make a living. | ||
You make videos. | ||
They took all your, you know, all your connections, your phones. | ||
They took your MAGA gear. | ||
And then another interesting thing I know you had mentioned to me, which I found very interesting, this is a story not a lot of people know about, is that the California State Attorney General, I believe, has a list of people that they're demanding be censored by big tech. | ||
And you're on that list. | ||
So talk about that. | ||
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Yeah I'm on page 20 so shout out to Judicial Watch because April 30th they dropped the article that says Big Tech in collusion with California's Secretary of State in collusion with Big Tech and if you look in the 540 page document you see I'm on page 20 along with two other friends of mine as well as Prager University's on there you know a few other of course Donald Trump and so | |
They were, and then you see with subsequent emails where they talked about how to censor us and what we can use in that censorship. | ||
And that was started, if anyone wants to go check it out, the date of the initial filing was, or date of when you see that they began targeting was September 17th of last year. | ||
We were outside doing a recall against the Governor of California, the Secretary of State, Targeted us to make sure that we got shut down from doing From exercising our constitutional right our first member, right? | ||
Very conveniently mainstream like again, this hasn't really hit mainstream media. | ||
This is how this happened a while ago So to summarize big tech, you know, they do they use the defense Oh, we're a private company. | ||
We're allowed to censor but now you're finding out that the government is Is actually giving them directives on who to censor. | ||
They're sending them lists of people. | ||
You're on page 20 of this list in California. | ||
Of people that they should censor, giving them, you mentioned before, giving them suggestions such as a tag of misinformation or send them down to like, you know, the bottom of the feed or, you know, in my case, losing a ton of Twitter followers right after January 6th. | ||
So this is really happening and people don't know about this. | ||
The government is actually, I don't know if they're armbarring them or if they're, I don't know if they're, you know, I don't know how they are exercising their power over big tech, but they're actually forcing them to censor people. | ||
And it's real, that's against the First Amendment. | ||
That is definitely a First Amendment violation. | ||
They can't plead to the whole, we're a private company anymore, when the government is actually getting involved. | ||
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Yeah, well, you know, I'll be honest with you, it's like, I don't think they're forcing anything. | |
I mean, Twitter literally, you know, censored the President of the United States. | ||
Why should any of us think that we were gonna get a fair shot? | ||
So these people, we've watched it, see it, From where the money comes from, from China and TikTok, from Facebook being paid off, you know, their fact checkers being paid off by TikTok. | ||
We know that they work directly with the Democrats, and we know we work, they work with liberals, and we know we work with the CCP. | ||
That's like, no, that's not something I'm making up. | ||
Anyone can go look at the paperwork if they take the time to stop, like, being caught up in their feelings and just follow the trail, follow the money. | ||
This all goes back to the same people that Alex has been talking about for decades. | ||
Like, this isn't new. | ||
We're just feeling it now. | ||
It's just turned up. | ||
That's all. | ||
It's just turned up. | ||
Yeah, no doubt about it. | ||
And I know that your experience, you know, you're an actor. | ||
I mean, Hollywood is one of the most compromised parts of the deep state as far as I'm concerned. | ||
You know, they're a propaganda arm. | ||
I think they, you know, I mean, they must pick and choose to a certain extent who's going to be the next big star, you know? | ||
I don't know what else to say except that I really feel for you because you're a conservative in Hollywood. | ||
How do you get jobs? | ||
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Well, right now I'm not worried about getting jobs in Hollywood. | |
At this point I'm worried about being the artist that I always have been, and that's creating. | ||
And we have to change the culture because just like you're showing there, look at that's the culture now. | ||
We don't even laugh. | ||
That's not even close to funny. | ||
That's literally morbid. | ||
So after a while, what are we looking at here when we're watching these people who have no joy in their heart and can't create anymore because they have to follow an ideology? | ||
They're supposed to give joy throughout the community and throughout the country? | ||
No. | ||
The problem is they just have a better media surface. | ||
They have a better marketing system than people at the Conservatives do. | ||
But Conservatives have to step up. | ||
Those with money have to stop playing and waiting around until it's okay for other people to laugh too. | ||
Like, start looking for these artists, looking for these people, because they're there. | ||
They're here in Hollywood, frustrated, waiting, and we are creating our own things. | ||
And if people watch, they watch. | ||
If they don't, they don't. | ||
They have news, they're opening it up. | ||
I was very impressed. | ||
That's what, because I said, we need a Saturday Night Live for the right. | ||
We have to be, it's so not funny. | ||
Saturday Night Live is the least funny show out there. | ||
It used to be funny. | ||
I wish there was a living color came back, right? | ||
But I said, I'm thinking, Yeah. | ||
myself then i come across your video so i would encourage the audience to please follow you and you could tell us how because you're making fun of this stuff and and it's funny i mean if it wasn't so serious i mean it's funny it's you you have a way of making it funny like you're gifted so how can audience watch your politically funny videos making fun of the biden administration and whatnot so i'd say first of all you follow us on instagram at what the fact dot tv i | ||
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You can also follow me on Instagram at Chief Americano and Siaka underscore Massimo. | |
We have everything's on there, and then I can link you around to some other pages. | ||
And to be honest with you, we are working to grow from just doing a skit at a time to doing full production. | ||
So, you know, people want to get involved. | ||
Let's go. | ||
Like, we can't keep spending money, you know, towards people that hate us. | ||
Right? | ||
People that say, like, just because you have an opinion that's outside of the ideology, you're somehow the bad guy. | ||
And, sorry, I laugh at this because, so, if you see that college picture, that's one of the, there's three of us, Alastair Bayardo and Bo Robinson and myself that, you know, we're out there with whatthefact.tv. | ||
And Bo is one of the writers. | ||
And because they took my phone and I couldn't answer and I didn't contact with anyone, I was finally the next day able to get in contact with a bunch of people, including Bo, and we had this conversation. | ||
And he's like, he couldn't believe that it was happening. | ||
And he goes, we got to do something about this. | ||
He's like, I'll call you right back. | ||
So he hangs up the phone. | ||
I'm like, he calls me back in two hours. | ||
And he's like, I'm sending you a script. | ||
I just wrote a script. | ||
So we have to like do something with this because it's so ridiculous. | ||
He did it in two hours. | ||
We got together and shot it two days later. | ||
And you know, you guys see what we did. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Like this, we have to turn tragedy. | ||
Thank you. | ||
And I don't want to cut you off, but I have one last guest. | ||
I wish I could sit here all night and talk to you. | ||
We spoke on the phone for hours at end. | ||
Hopefully we can continue this and get more of your opinions out there. | ||
But I'm going to encourage everybody to follow you if you need a laugh. | ||
Like, we all need a laugh right now. | ||
This is like the closest thing you're going to get to Saturday Night Live for the right follow Siaka Mesaqua. | ||
I hope I got that right, Siaka. | ||
Thank you. | ||
Thank you for coming on. | ||
I want to do a more extensive interview with you at this point in the future. | ||
Your story needs to get out there. | ||
And thank you so much. | ||
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Alright, I love you girl. | |
Stay safe out there. | ||
We'll talk soon. | ||
Okay, cool. | ||
See you later. | ||
So we're bringing on Steve Rosati next, and we have 10 minutes left. | ||
This is such an important story. | ||
I really wanted to get out there to the nation. | ||
Not sure if many people have heard about it. | ||
So Steve Rosati works for the Long Island Railroad. | ||
He worked, rather, for the Long Island Railroad. | ||
I live in Long Island. | ||
He was fired from his job at Long Island Railroad as a conductor after January 6th because his boss, Found pictures of him, I guess, there in front of the Capitol, and because he was doxxed by Antifa. | ||
So Antifa put out a tweet with pictures of my next guest in front of the Capitol, and his boss proceeded to fire him and actually make a statement to the media, mimicking him and mocking him. | ||
So I'm going to bring him on it. | ||
Steve, are you there? | ||
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Sorry. | |
Yes, I am here. | ||
Thanks for having me. | ||
Hey, Steve. | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
How are you? | ||
So this is my friend Steve. | ||
Steve from Long Island, former conductor on the Long Island Railroad, last guest, politically persecuted. | ||
You know, political persecution comes in so many shapes and forms. | ||
Right now we're talking about the January 6th prisoners and the people that are like being locked up in solitary confinement. | ||
But you know, political persecution is a thing when you're banned from social media, when your banking gets taken away, as we both know people whose banking have been messed with. | ||
And in your case, Where you've lost your job and your livelihood. | ||
So why don't you just tell us really, you know, about your story, who you are, how you got fired from Long Island Railroad and about your lawsuit that you're suing them. | ||
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Yeah. | |
So on January 6th, I attended the protest at the Capitol. | ||
Uh, we started at the monument and then we walked over to the Capitol building where pretty much I walked into madness. | ||
Right. | ||
And after everything happened, I was just in the back of the crowd. | ||
And then we walked to the Capitol Steps where they were allowing us to be there, and basically just sat by the steps the entire time. | ||
Literally didn't even move, just wanted to see everything. | ||
And I even saw Alex Jones bullhorning, telling people to get out, get out, this isn't right. | ||
And we got a notification about the guards were coming, and we left. | ||
And thinking that nothing was gonna happen, and then a couple days later, Saw a picture of me on the Capitol steps being taken with a face covering on and all of a sudden I get a notification from work saying to you have been suspended indefinitely and they said that it was for social media policy and white supremacy hand gestures and sometime in February I was offered a 60-day suspension only to get my job back. | ||
I turned it down because I did nothing wrong. | ||
And in April, three months later after I was suspended, I was entitled to the hearing that I was, you know, to get for the collective bargaining agreement. | ||
And then a month later after that, I was officially terminated. | ||
So from January 21st, All the way to May, I was suspended without pay and then terminated in May. | ||
Better yet, I was even told that I was suspended with pay, and then all these news articles about me came out. | ||
Then they said, okay, we're going to change it to without pay, and they did that last minute on me. | ||
And obviously we are now taking the legal action, and we just switched over lawyers. | ||
John Pierce is I retained him to the firm, and I'll be working with attorneys directly from New York. | ||
And there's no doubt that we are going to win in court, and we're going to fight this all the way through. | ||
We never gave an inch on this. | ||
And a lot of people would have caved in and said, oh, I just want my job back. | ||
I want my career. | ||
But there is a lot more at stake than just livelihood. | ||
Our freedoms are clearly on the line. | ||
Our constitutional republic is on the line. | ||
Our First Amendment is on the line. | ||
And we will be fighting this tooth and nail. | ||
And we will go all the way if we have to. | ||
And better yet, we are going to win. | ||
So your boss calls you a jackass. | ||
Is that what he called you? | ||
The head of the MTA or Long Island Railroad? | ||
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So the CEO of the MTA, his name is Patrick Foy, came out with a statement. | |
They had like a monthly hearing and a question was asked about me and he said the postings that he makes on social media are despicable and the sign that he's a jackass. | ||
And, you know, that's okay, though. | ||
And you're allowed to call somebody a jackass, better yet, being the CEO. | ||
But if you go to a protest and you express your First Amendment right, you're terminated. | ||
And he actually resigned from his position a couple weeks ago, believe it or not. | ||
I'm not sure if it's related to it or not, but he did resign and he's at another position. | ||
So he gets another job. | ||
That's okay, though. | ||
Right. | ||
Do you think it'll be hard for you to find another job after? | ||
Like, yeah, I mean, you've been demonized in the media pretty badly. | ||
You know, I did a Google search. | ||
I should, you know, I'm curious what will come up on a DuckDuckGo, but I did the Google search and a lot of, you know, it's going to, that's what they do. | ||
They, they completely demonize people for their, for their beliefs. | ||
I mean. | ||
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Correct. | |
Yeah. | ||
Sorry. | ||
No, I was going to say it's almost like how we had discussed this before, like the China social credit system. | ||
You know, if you don't agree with the government, then all of a sudden you start to get demonized, your banking gets taken away, you lose your job, you don't get your government handouts. | ||
This is what we're moving towards in this country if we're not careful. | ||
You know, a lot of people might not agree, Steve, with some of the stuff that you've said, but you've never, as far as I know, called for violence, anything like that. | ||
You're entitled to your First Amendment free speech rights. | ||
And to get fired from your job from that, and also for being there on January 6th at the Capitol, because you mentioned, correct me if I'm wrong, that the iHeart, what is it, the Antifa doxing? | ||
Antifa doxed you on social media. | ||
They put the picture of you out there on the Capitol steps, and they showed it to your boss. | ||
They sent it to your boss at the Long Island Railroad. | ||
And he listened to Antifa, I guess. | ||
I guess they have enough influence, Antifa, over the CEO of the Long Island Railroad that he would actually suspend you. | ||
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Yeah, so basically, it's a reaction of doxxing. | |
You know, doxxing is they threaten where you live because they're too cowards to do something, so they want somebody else to do it. | ||
Oh, and by the way, this hand gesture that I was Suspended for, and ultimately fired for, I told the audience that everything's going to be okay. | ||
So I guess context doesn't matter when it comes to that. | ||
But anyway, it's all about doxxing, and what doxxing is, they threaten your, you know, your place where you live, or they'll threaten your livelihood. | ||
So, WeHeartTrash on Twitter decides that, oh, you know what, the government backs me on this, I get paid to do this, so I'm going to send anonymous letters. | ||
Maybe it was him, maybe not. | ||
I believe it was him, but that's just an opinion. | ||
send anonymous letters to my place of work. | ||
And the place of work then takes action based off of an opinion, based off of an anonymous letter. | ||
And it could have been anybody. | ||
And they decided to take this. | ||
Oh, and we're going to add on social media policy, white supremacy hand gestures, and we're going to terminate them ultimately. | ||
And I have every, I'm going to fight this too, because we're going through an arbitration process and I am going to fight that through. | ||
And then obviously with the lawsuit and stuff, Let me just make something clear that I was never, an FBI agent never knocked on my door. | ||
I was never investigated to my knowledge and obviously I did nothing criminally wrong. | ||
I don't have a criminal record. | ||
Right, but still you were fired. | ||
You weren't even, the FBI hasn't even visited you. | ||
You were never arrested, but you were basically fired for the most part, a combination of being there at the Capitol, then going further into investigations and, you know, attacking your freedom of speech. | ||
So it's very scary. | ||
And, you know, I don't know. | ||
We both live in New York. | ||
I wanted to ask you your opinion. | ||
This is the last couple of minutes of the show. | ||
So tomorrow there's a big rally in New York. | ||
I mean, I hope the nation is completely mortified at what's going on in New York right now with this insane mandate. | ||
In New York City, where Bill de Blasio, mayor, is saying that you need to be vaccinated. | ||
It's a mandate to go indoors now. | ||
To go to the gym and be healthy, you have to get a vaccine in New York City. | ||
To go to an indoor restaurant, or to an event. | ||
Now this is a new mandate. | ||
New York City is the first city, I think, that's putting this out. | ||
Hopefully no more will follow. | ||
I think that everybody in the nation must be mortified. | ||
You as a New Yorker, and someone who, I know you spend a lot of time in New York City, what do you think of that? | ||
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Well, it's absolutely ridiculous that this is happening. | |
It's not just New York City. | ||
Remember, even Como is mandating vaccines for city workers and state workers. | ||
And the railroad was actually a state job, so it's absolutely ridiculous. | ||
You know, they're hiding the information of take your vitamin C, your D3, and your zinc, and eat healthy, go to the gym, exercise, drink water. | ||
I mean, that's the basics to just living a healthy lifestyle. | ||
And everywhere you go now in New York City, it's going to be a vaccine card, or you want to go to a restaurant, vaccine card. | ||
And it's totally illegal. | ||
We're protected by laws. | ||
Those HIPAA laws were made in the 90s. | ||
It's that you don't have to have your personal medical record so that no one knows it. | ||
You're not entitled to that. | ||
And if we give that up, you know, are we breaking the laws or are we doing it to ourselves? | ||
And we have to fight for this. | ||
I mean, if someone is going to fire you, you're going to quit for your job for vaccine cards. | ||
You have to make your job fire you. | ||
I mean, quitting is one thing and resigning, but you have to make them fire you. | ||
And then once they fire you, you gather a team of people that believe in the same thing and you file class action lawsuits. | ||
And that's how we have to win this. | ||
Overwhelm them in the courts. | ||
And if you're going to go to a restaurant, refuse to wear it. | ||
If they want to call the cops on you, you know, listen, I'm sorry, but overwhelm the police with phone calls. | ||
Thousands of them. | ||
We have somebody not wearing a mask. | ||
We have somebody that's not, you know, leaving because of the vaccine cards. | ||
And, you know, you're going to put them in a situation. | ||
They don't want to deal with that. | ||
So we have to fight. | ||
If we fold to another lockdown, it's over for us. | ||
Right. | ||
So that's tomorrow, New York City. | ||
I hope to see you there, Steve. | ||
I'm going to go there. | ||
It's in front of City Hall. | ||
We're going to protest this, peacefully protest this insane mask mandate. | ||
I'm sorry, this vaccine mandate. | ||
We thought the mask mandate was bad and now there's the vaccine mandate. | ||
We're going to fight this unconstitutional thing tomorrow in New York City Peacefully at 12 o'clock. | ||
So I wanted to thank you for coming on. | ||
I want to encourage people to follow you, to follow me at CaraCastronova, to go to www.citizensappapp.us. | ||
Learn more about the political persecuted people like Steve and people in prison and DC jail. | ||
How you can help, how you can volunteer for the January 6th People's Committee that we are doing our own January 6th. | ||
Steve, I would love you to be a part of it. | ||
Our own investigations because Nancy Pelosi is not doing the right thing. | ||
And we, the people, have been very successful, as of yet, in coming up with our own facts and proving things like there were more to the deaths there that day. | ||
New stuff is being found out every day. | ||
So I'm encouraging everybody to please go to citizensapp.us and follow me at CaraCastronova. | ||
Keep watching Owen Shroyer. | ||
He's the real deal. | ||
He tells the truth. | ||
Thank you so much, Owen, for letting me sub in for you tonight. | ||
God bless you, everybody. | ||
Thank you for watching. | ||
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