Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux - So... The Atheists Lied About Lying...
Aired: 2025-07-28
Duration: 04:38


=== Why Atheists Lie (03:41) ===

[00:00:00]  I mean, that's the beautiful wrapped-in-a-bow meta-narrative of what I was up to for the last couple of days.
[00:00:06]  I wanted to ask the atheists, why shouldn't you lie?
[00:00:13]  Knowing that they were going to come right in and lie.
[00:00:17]  And they did.
[00:00:18]  And if you lie, you can't progress, right?
[00:00:23]  If you lie, you cannot progress because you actually are doing the opposite of the truth.
[00:00:29]  And the pivot to the attack upon Christianity was a way of covering up those lies.
[00:00:38]  Of course, and, you know, I mean, they're much more likely to criticize Christianity than, say, Islam or Judaism or Hinduism or something else, right?
[00:00:45]  So that was really fascinating to have my sort of abstract theories about how atheists were going to respond.
[00:00:51]  And it's kind of cool being back on X because I have access to a much wider and larger group of people, right?
[00:00:58]  So on the other platforms, I would say that it was like a jazz club.
[00:01:00]  I mean, small, intimate.
[00:01:01]  I really enjoyed those years talking.
[00:01:04]  And we still do that, like Sunday mornings, the 11 a.m.
[00:01:06]  We're still doing subscriber-only conversations.
[00:01:09]  So I'm not going to say it was a trap because it's an open question.
[00:01:13]  Why should you not lie?
[00:01:15]  And every atheist who came in, lied, claimed to have knowledge they didn't have, which meant they had faith in a truth they did not have.
[00:01:27]  They pretended a knowledge they did not possess and resisted all attempts to correct them.
[00:01:37]  In other words, they criticize the Christians or other religious groups for claiming to know something that they don't know.
[00:01:47]  The existence of God, the divinity of Jesus, and so on, right?
[00:01:50]  And the atheists say, how dare you?
[00:01:52]  How dare you pretend to have a knowledge you don't have?
[00:01:55]  Oh, sorry, one sec.
[00:01:56]  I got to go talk to staff and pretend I have a knowledge about secular ethics that I don't have.
[00:02:02]  But you see this mirror image, right?
[00:02:06]  So yes, I remain a strong atheist.
[00:02:12]  I've talked about this with Dr. Murphy in a show we did.
[00:02:15]  We recorded it last week.
[00:02:16]  It just came out this week.
[00:02:19]  So, I mean, because I can't overturn the arguments against the existence of God.
[00:02:25]  I remain a strong atheist.
[00:02:29]  And although, as I mentioned with Dr. Murphy, I am going to church.
[00:02:32]  I have done a whole series on Bible verses.
[00:02:35]  And some of the best people in my life.
[00:02:40]  Yeah, I think some of the best.
[00:02:41]  I can't think of, I mean, the best people in my life tend to be Christians.
[00:02:44]  I mean, and obviously philosophers and philosophy people and so on, right?
[00:02:48]  So, yeah, because that's not up to me.
[00:02:51]  It's not up to me.
[00:02:52]  It is up to reason and evidence.
[00:02:53]  And again, I'm opening my heart to the evidence.
[00:02:55]  We'll see what happens.
[00:02:56]  But yeah, I remain a strong atheist, of course.
[00:02:58]  I mean, I can't overturn that.
[00:03:02]  But my goal, of course, was to shake the complacency and vanity.
[00:03:12]  Because if all you do is compare your imaginary, pure, idealistic, scientific, and rational syllogisms and thoughts to what is, of course, at its essence, a faith-based mission like religion, then you're going to feel like you're in the right and they're in the wrong.
[00:03:29]  And I understand.
[00:03:30]  But if that's all, if that's the only place you stay, if you never get somebody serving to your soft spot, you never grow.

=== Never Admitting It (00:57) ===

[00:03:41]  And it really was fascinating.
[00:03:43]  Honestly, I'm telling you, this is going to be studied for centuries.
[00:03:46]  Like this tweet and its response, I was very conscious of this when I write every response.
[00:03:52]  It's going to be poured over for centuries.
[00:03:53]  I'm not kidding about that.
[00:03:54]  I mean, I know most people won't believe me.
[00:03:56]  It doesn't matter.
[00:03:57]  I've got 20 years in the history of philosophy.
[00:03:59]  I know how this stuff works.
[00:04:01]  Yeah, it's going to be studied because to have all of these people attack others, like Christians, for claiming a knowledge they don't have, while themselves claiming a knowledge they don't have, for responding to a tweet, why tell the truth by lying and never admitting it, is just absolutely fascinating.
[00:04:23]  It's fascinating stuff.
[00:04:24]  And I really do thank all the atheists who came in.
[00:04:27]  And I hope that the atheists get some humility.
[00:04:29]  You know, one of the things that's great about Christianity is the humility.
[00:04:33]  And I hope that the atheists come in and recognize that they don't have good answers for ethics.