July 24, 2025 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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| So I guess what's on my mind is I've been going over some, I guess, arguments I've been making for the existence of God and sort of in opposition to well, in to like in opposition to subjective truth and sort of like arguing for an objective truth that is sort of necessary for yeah, so I don't know, I guess just one of those things. | |
| And some of the, I guess, arguments that I ended up sort of like going through and thinking about are also like related to Leibniz. | |
| He argues like different things about like echosism and the existence of the world. | |
| And I don't know. | |
| This is just a bunch of random stuff. | |
| I'm not actually very familiar on your belief in God or in anything like that. | |
| I'm not really sure why you're describing the arguments that you might have rather than giving me the arguments. | |
| Sorry. | |
| Okay, sure. | |
| Sorry. | |
| I wasn't sure if you were. | |
| Yeah, you don't need preamble. | |
| We can dive into the deep end. | |
| Got you. | |
| All right. | |
| So here it is, effectively, is so there is a way in which I believe the world to exist, which is not the Copenhagen interpretation of the world, which is that in quantum mechanics that, you know, Schrodinger's cat can both be dead and not dead, that it is actually just one or the other. | |
| Okay, I just know, hang on, food. | |
| Sorry. | |
| I didn't mean start mid-argument. | |
| What is it that you're trying to establish, and what are your basic premises? | |
| Sure. | |
| The basic premise is that logic is necessary. | |
| And the conclusion that I am trying to make is that God is the necessary logic to prove the consistency of all other logical systems. | |
| Okay, so logic is necessary. | |
| What do you mean by necessary? | |
| We'll accept that what you mean, logic is the art of non-contradictory identification. | |
| So fine. | |
| What do you mean by necessary? | |
| I mean necessary as in exists independent of the world. | |
| What do you mean by the world? | |
| That's a great question, yeah. | |
| Do you mean the universe? | |
| Yes, yes. | |
| Okay. | |
| So logic exists independently of the universe. | |
| Yes. | |
| So, and I don't want to get all technical, but are you talking about a sort of new amenal realm as in Kant or a higher realm of forms as in Plato? | |
| Do you mean that logic exists outside of time and space? | |
| No, I do believe that it is capable that humans are capable of interceding with logic. | |
| No, no, no. | |
| Hang on, hang on. | |
| We're not human beings. | |
| I'm just trying to understand your... | |
| Is that right? | |
| Yes. | |
| Okay. | |
| Outside of time, I should say. | |
| Well, and space. | |
| The universe is time and space, right? | |
| Okay, so there is a hidden realm. | |
| We'll call it dimension X. I don't mean to diminish what it is that you're saying, but we need a label for it, right? | |
| Or we could say the world of forms, but let's just say there's dimension X that is beyond sense perception and cannot be interacted with from this universe in any way wherein logic exists. | |
| Is that right? | |
| I do think it can be interacted with. | |
| So is it part of the universe then? | |
| Yeah, I suppose it's just on, this is sort of the argument that I still need to develop more, which is whether or not the world exists or not per se. | |
| Sorry, sorry. | |
| Per se doesn't explain anything. | |
| Listen, I'm not hostile to your ideas. | |
| I'm not negative. | |
| I'm not trying to disprove anything. | |
| This is just exploration and understanding. | |
| I just want to understand what it is that you're arguing for. | |
| So it would be a part of the universe. | |
| Hang on, hang on. | |
| just tell me that you're not sure if the universe exists? | |
| I mean, the set of all... | |
| Okay, can you stop saying the world? | |
| Because I don't know if you're talking about the Earth or the universe. | |
| The Earth, the universe. | |
| Yeah, so the You know what, I can't really actually argue this particular point of the universe. | |
| That's not what I have finished my research on. | |
| So I guess I would. | |
| Okay, hang on. | |
| But this is interesting metaphysical and epistemological questions, which I have no problem exploring. | |
| That's very, very important in the realm of philosophy. | |
| So the question is, how do we know that the uni like what exists and what doesn't, right? | |
| That's metaphysics. | |
| And then how do we know what is true and what isn't? |
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