Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux - The Fight for Men's Rights
Aired: 2025-07-21
Duration: 03:40


=== Social Skills Gap (03:40) ===

[00:00:00]  The confinement, the young generation, Gen Z has gone online.
[00:00:05]  And the communication culture between young people, we're talking like age 26 and less, has become what you would probably perceive as very difficult, antisocial.
[00:00:17]  There's social rules that I think you've missed.
[00:00:19]  Like ghosting is a really tolerated phenomenon now.
[00:00:23]  You can ghost someone and then text them again and three months later.
[00:00:27]  So a lot of things are changing.
[00:00:28]  Hang on, hang on, hang on.
[00:00:29]  I talked about ghosting as being one of the things that kills men's spirit in the online pursuit of women.
[00:00:34]  Well, it's acceptable now.
[00:00:37]  I know it's acceptable.
[00:00:38]  That's why it happens.
[00:00:39]  But so around the COVID stuff, you couldn't meet people in person for a lot of places.
[00:00:44]  And so people went more online.
[00:00:46]  But hasn't that relaxed since the COVID measures have largely dropped over the last couple of years?
[00:00:51]  The culture among young people has never reverted.
[00:00:54]  See, I'm 34.
[00:00:54]  It doesn't really apply to me so much, but I see it with a lot of my peers.
[00:01:00]  It's considered antisocial to ask a girl out unless you have some sort of familiarity.
[00:01:04]  If you go up and ask a girl out.
[00:01:05]  Sorry, what do you mean by antisocial?
[00:01:08]  What does that mean?
[00:01:10]  I'm not disagreeing with you.
[00:01:11]  I just want to make sure I understand your terms.
[00:01:13]  I would compare it to the same way certain orthodox religions wouldn't allow a man to just walk up to a woman and ask her out or start a conversation.
[00:01:22]  This sort of mentality is ingrained in young people now.
[00:01:26]  No, but that doesn't tell me.
[00:01:27]  Give me an analogy from religion.
[00:01:29]  And I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be dancer.
[00:01:31]  And I'm not disagreeing with you at all.
[00:01:32]  I just really want to understand what is it because it's intrusive to women?
[00:01:37]  Is it negative?
[00:01:37]  Do they not like it?
[00:01:38]  Is it post-me too?
[00:01:39]  Like, why is it that talking to women in person or just saying, hi?
[00:01:43]  Hey, how's it going?
[00:01:44]  And if the woman is not pleasant or difficult or unpleasant, like mean or that's, I mean, then you just say, oh, have a great day and move on, right?
[00:01:55]  I think it's because young people are spending so much time on the internet that they're not very socialized and they don't have social skills.
[00:02:03]  And so if you go up to a girl, you are putting her in a position where she doesn't know what to do.
[00:02:07]  So you say, hi, may I, would you like to go out on a date with me?
[00:02:10]  She doesn't know how to respond to that.
[00:02:12]  And you already know that.
[00:02:13]  Before you even ask her out, you already know she can't respond to that.
[00:02:16]  She does not know what to say.
[00:02:17]  And so it's rude to go up her and approach.
[00:02:19]  Okay, sorry, sorry.
[00:02:20]  So you go up and you say, hi, how you doing?
[00:02:23]  And you try and chat with the woman a little bit.
[00:02:25]  And then what?
[00:02:26]  Well, that in itself is rude because you already know she can't respond.
[00:02:32]  She's confused.
[00:02:32]  She doesn't have the social skills.
[00:02:34]  It's completely lost on young people right now.
[00:02:37]  Okay, so if she doesn't have any social skills, why would you want to date her?
[00:02:40]  I mean, that would be kind of isolating, right?
[00:02:43]  It's the culture now.
[00:02:44]  I mean, this is just the way people are.
[00:02:46]  Okay, but you're not answering my question.
[00:02:48]  If the woman doesn't, like, marriage is socializing, right?
[00:02:51]  You've got to socialize with people's families.
[00:02:52]  You've got to socialize with their friends.
[00:02:54]  You've got to socialize at work, and your wife's going to be there a lot of times.
[00:02:57]  So if she doesn't have any social skills, why would you want to date her?
[00:03:01]  I mean, a woman who can't even hold a basic conversation.
[00:03:04]  You have to fit the orthodoxy.
[00:03:05]  So you don't go up and poach her in person.
[00:03:08]  That's uncomfortable.
[00:03:09]  You've got to do it on a dating app or a video game or a shared hobby.
[00:03:13]  There's an appropriate way to do it in this new internet-centric culture.
[00:03:18]  Okay, you still haven't answered my question, though.
[00:03:21]  Yeah, so she does have social skills.
[00:03:24]  So, yeah, I wouldn't want to marry a girl who had bad social skills.
[00:03:27]  Of course not.
[00:03:27]  You just told me she doesn't have the social skills to respond to a basic conversation, and now you're telling me she does have social skills?
[00:03:33]  It's a different orthodoxy.
[00:03:34]  It's a totally different orthodoxy than what you and I grew up with.
[00:03:37]  You have to do it online.
[00:03:39]  Like the appropriate way to meet a girl.