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June 12, 2025 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
04:10
Valid Concepts, Iterability and More
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All right.
Chris says, how can he play around with the definition of valid and still try and make valid arguments?
That is one definition that is the basis of logic which coherent language is based on.
Okay, well, anyway, so I don't want to be unfair.
Maybe he explains what iterability is.
To me, valid concepts, they follow their own rules.
If you claim that people are obligated to follow Morality universally, then it should be universally implementable, which is what UPB is, right?
If you claim for something to be universal, it should in fact be universal, right?
If you say, this is a law of physics, then it should occur and work all over the world.
It should work on the moon.
It should work on Mars.
It should work in this lab or that lab, underground, above ground.
If you're saying this is a law of physics, then you're saying this is universal.
This is common behavior for all matter and energy.
And so, if you claim it to be universal, But it's not universal.
Like, this is the fusion in a jar argument from decades ago, right?
Oh, we've got fusion in a jar!
Well, we try and replicate the experiment, which is foundational to the scientific method.
Oh, we can't replicate it.
Therefore, it is not universal.
Therefore, it is not valid.
Imagine that you play a game with someone and you're a kid, and it's fun.
And you play again, and again, and again.
it's yeah it's playability across multiple the You play again and again and again.
So repetition.
Yeah, that's kind of what again and again and again.
I'm sorry.
Oh my gosh.
So then you have a friend.
And a friend is better than having a game.
So that's one.
breadth of application is enough.
What?
you Thank you.
A friend is better than having a game.
That's one.
Okay, what?
And it's in your kit.
Iterability?
Imagine that you play a game with someone and you're a kid and it's fun.
Okay, so you're playing a game with someone and you're a kid and it's fun.
Okay, got it.
So then you play again and again and again.
It's playability across multiple iterations.
So then you have a friend and a friend is better than having a game.
That's one.
Okay, what?
Okay, a game is passive.
A friend is active.
Is he saying that iteration is if you play a game multiple times and then you end up with a friend that is better than a game?
And this has what to do with the existence of God and of truth and of what is a valid foundational thing?
Okay, maybe I'm missing something.
I would run it again.
Sorry if I'm being dense.
It certainly happens.
It's a neat play again.
Iterability?
Imagine that you play a game with someone and you're a kid, and it's fun.
It's a neat play again, and again, and again.
Yeah, it's playability across multiple iterations.
So then you have a friend, and a friend is better than having a game.
So that's one.
Breadth of application is another.
So if it's just for me now, it's not as good as something that would be benefit.
to both of us across time.
Right.
So we're explaining like characteristics that can be applied to like these types Okay, so something that benefits two people is better than something that benefits one person, unless you're just passing through and you're selfish, right?
Because earlier he was saying that there's, you know, mean, bad people, the monkey that wants all of the grapes and so on.
Uh, fine.
Types of, like, foundational values.
But why is it that this iterability makes it better?
And what does better mean?
Well, one hallmark of better is better.
Ah, okay.
So that's good.
That's good.
Likely to be selected voluntarily.
Sure.
Okay, so if you make yourself attractive, you're more likely to be selected voluntarily than if you're in some culture where you don't have to be attractive or bathe or use deodorant because you're in a forced marriage environment or scenario.
Okay.
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