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Morality for Social Survival
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| So, apparently, societies need morality because it's the only way for social groups to survive. | |
| Okay. | |
| Genghis Khan was one of the most successful genetically, right? | |
| Power, political power genetically, was one of the most successful human beings to have ever lived. | |
| Where were his morals? | |
| His genes have survived and flourished. | |
| He's still on the Mongolian currency, for God's sakes. | |
| There's statues all over the place. | |
| Of Genghis Khan. | |
| So this is all just like a fat, hyper-feminine, nice, absolutely zero understanding of history. | |
| Absolutely. | |
| I mean, the Aztecs in South America, Central America, the Aztecs were unbelievably brutal. | |
| They tortured children for their cry and he's happy God. | |
| Cannibals, right? | |
| The Maori. | |
| In New Zealand, cannibals and rapists, right? | |
| What are they talking about? | |
| Morals are needed for human survival. | |
| It's like, genetically, human survival is driven historically, not morally, but historically is driven on violence and rape. | |
| In a state of nature, right? | |
| So, yeah, it's all just very abstract and has no actual practical understanding of history. | |
| Very much. | |
| Precisely the point that you just made, that science has to exist within a moral framework that isn't in itself scientific. | |
| How is it not scientific? | |
| Well, because it's not derived from the scientific process, as you just indicated. | |
| It's not derived from the scientific process. | |
| This is the fact that we are social animals and we need that to exist as a group, right? | |
| Okay, so Jordan Peterson's point is flawless. | |
| You know, I've got my criticism of him when it comes to religion and atheism, but his point here is flawless. | |
| And the fact that... | |
| Brian, the man they call Brian, that he doesn't get it is kind of incomprehensible to me. | |
| You know, morality is supposed to include free speech. | |
| And how is free speech doing these days? | |
| Well, it's being utterly fucking decimated. | |
| I mean, the British police are arresting a thousand people a month for social media posts. | |
| Holy crap. | |
| Absolutely mad. | |
| So the fact that you need something to exist as a group doesn't mean that there's such a thing as morality. | |
| Needing for something to exist as a group. | |
| And how is that morality if it's local? | |
| So you've got group A, you've got group B. They believe different things. | |
| Group A believes they're superior to Group B. Group B believes that they're superior to Group A. Yeah, Islam, I mean, go look at how Islam spread, right? | |
| I mean, the idea that it's all just morals and virtue and being nice to people and binding up people's broken arms and bringing them food, although they've lost an eye. | |
| I mean, I don't even, like, how can you be this completely blind to everything that's going on? | |
| In history and around you. | |
| Like, that's just amazing to me. | |
| But this is privilege, right? | |
| People who grew up in the suburbs who just, oh, everything's so peaceful and nice and lovely. | |
| And it's like, what we have and what we're losing is utterly out of the norm. | |
| It is way off the bell curve of human history. | |
| The relative peace, the high-trust society, the relative peace that I grew up with in society, Absolutely outside the norm. | |
| And then people are like, well, but we need to be nice to each other and we need altruism. | |
| It's like, bro, understand the incredible outlier that you happen to be living in. | |
| The unbelievable outlier that you happen to be living in is not human history at all. | |
| You pointed to the morality of Neanderthals, to the morality of chimpanzees. | |
| They didn't derive that from science. | |
| They don't need to. | |
| That's not how that works. | |
| That's my point. | |
| They don't need to. | |
| That's not how that works. | |
| That's exactly what... | |
| And he said, well, you don't need to. | |
| That's how it works. | |
| And so these people are in complete agreement and pretending to disagree. | |
| Science explains it. | |
| Knowledge science doesn't explain morality. | |
| It doesn't explain how social animals would need to be But we see it, though. | |
| Yeah, but explaining the evolution of morality and explaining morality itself aren't the same thing. | |
| Oh, because you're asking why does this happen? | |
| Yes, that's more accurate. | |
| Because we're social animals and we need to be. | |
| Yeah, but there's more to it than that. | |
| Is there? | |
| Sure, sure, for example. | |
| So we're moral animals that have a sense of the future? | |
| Sure. | |
| Okay, that makes us unique. | |
| Okay, so a sense of the future. | |
| So this is very common among atheists, is to blend and to smudge and to merge what human beings do with what animals do, right? | |
| Which is what this guy did. | |
| Human beings, Neanderthals, which are not specifically Homo sapiens, and chimpanzees. | |