June 6, 2025 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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| All right. | |
| So the questions are not flying fast and furious, which is totally fine, of course. | |
| So I'm going to throw in the Jordan Peterson stuff. | |
| I will keep half an eye out on the questions, of course. | |
| All right. | |
| Okay. | |
| Morality and purpose cannot be found within science. | |
| I see your question, Jay. | |
| So we'll get to that. | |
| Morality and purpose cannot be found within science. | |
| Fine young man in the blue shirt. | |
| Mr. Canada. | |
| How are you doing, man? | |
| I'm doing great. | |
| What's your name? | |
| Brian. | |
| I think it's interesting that you said the man they called Brian. | |
| All right. | |
| The morality and purpose can't be found inside. | |
| Actually, within science. | |
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | |
| Purpose, I actually grant you because purpose is subjective, right? | |
| Unless you want to boil it down to the purpose of life is just to procreate, right? | |
| Okay, so he's not going to say that the purpose, I'm going to speed this up just a smidge, but the purpose of life, yes, is not just to procreate for sure. | |
| Okay. | |
| Sure, whatever. | |
| Morality is actually something that we do see. | |
| We actually have examples of Neanderthals and older individuals down in the tribe. | |
| Okay, so Jordan Peterson says you can't get morality out of science. | |
| And this guy says, well, tens of thousands of years ago, long before there was science, we had morality. | |
| And it's like, that actually serves Jordan Peterson's point completely perfectly. | |
| So I'm not really sure. | |
| It's just a listening thing. | |
| If he says morality can't come out of science, And then you talk about a vastly pre-scientific system of morality or situation of morality, then that's not listening to the objection. | |
| That's just saying stuff. | |
| So most people have a bunch of talking points, and we had this in, I did the telegram chat earlier today. | |
| Most people have a bunch of talking points, and they just try and jam those talking points into whatever it is that you're saying. | |
| And this guy has a talking point, like, hey man, Neanderthals have morality. | |
| And it's like, but that's not relevant to Jordan Peterson's point. | |
| So it's just coming up and saying stuff that you've memorized as if you're actually contributing to the conversation. | |
| Missing an arm, missing teeth, still alive, somehow in his 40s, 50s, right? | |
| Typically, you're a Neanderthal, you can't eat, you can't hunt, you die, right? | |
| But we know the members of the Charpentine care of him, right? | |
| Okay, so this is to say that morality is taking care of others. | |
| Absolutely false. | |
| Absolutely false. | |
| I mean, there are plenty of species in nature that take care of others. | |
| I think of the amount of effort that birds have to do to do their mating dances, to build their nests, to go and get food, and to half-chew it, to regurgitate it into their children's or their chicks' bellies and so on. | |
| It's crazy, right? | |
| So the idea that, well, you know, some animals take care of each other, And therefore, that morality is to say that all genetic energy-focused preferences are the same as morality. | |
| Come on! | |
| I mean, the father lion play fights with his baby lions, right? | |
| With the lion cups. | |
| To teach them how to hunt. | |
| Is that morality? | |
| He's doing beneficial things, expending energy in order to benefit his cups, right? | |
| Yes, that is not morality, right? | |
| So, the idea that there were nice people in the past. | |
| So, let's just theorize for a second here. | |
| Why would Neanderthals, why would they want to take care of those who are older? | |
| And somewhat disabled. | |
| Well, a couple of reasons. | |
| Number one, they're available to take care of the offspring, as grandparents do, right? | |
| Female fertility tends to fade out when there's going to be more benefit to the offspring from the woman investing in her grandchildren rather than trying to give birth to more live kids. | |
| So that's, right, so investment in the offspring. | |
| They may have a whole bunch of wisdom. | |
| That is a value to teach the next generation, right? | |
| So somebody's got to teach the next generation the tribal habits of here's the food we gather, here's how we store it, here's how we process it, here's how we cook, here's how we hunt. | |
| Like, someone's got to transfer this knowledge. | |
| And for older people to transfer the knowledge who aren't hunting but who had experience hunting is a very useful thing. | |
| Also, you will encourage people to have more children if those children will take care of the elderly, which helps the tribe grow. | |
| So there's very practical, evolutionary, biological, genetic reasons as to why you'd want to take care Those who are wounded or disabled, nothing wrong with it. | |
| It's great. | |
| And of course, if they're wounded and disabled, they don't have as many calorie requirements because they're not out there hunting and doing all of this physical labor. | |
| So they're telling the stories, right? | |
| Telling the tribal stories so that there's cohesion within the tribe if there's an attack. | |
| All of these things. | |
| So the idea that this is somehow abstract morality and virtue and so on, nope, it's just economic. |
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