June 2, 2025 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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| All right, sorry, let me just get to your comments here. | |
| All right. | |
| I see in here, Stephan. | |
| God? | |
| Let's see here. | |
| God has a body of glorified spirit and bone. | |
| So does Jesus. | |
| They make my point for me. | |
| A noble mystery is adopted from Greek philosophers. | |
| See, when you say God has a body of glorified spirit and bone, it's a very powerful poetic analogy, but from a philosophical standpoint, it has no content. | |
| All right. | |
| The line about fundamentally unknowability disproves his entire argument about only He's claiming to understand what is fundamentally unknowable. | |
| Well, here's the other thing, too. | |
| So, if God, like, let's take the Christian argument, right? | |
| God wants a relationship with you. | |
| Jesus wants a relationship with you. | |
| They're both eternal and perfect and all-knowing and all-good. | |
| Well, I didn't start off reading my daughter Crime and Punishment, right? | |
| We started off reading very simple stories, right? | |
| Big Bad Wolf and... | |
| We started off reading very simple stories which were very animated. | |
| So I adapted my speaking style to the mindset of my daughter when she was very little. | |
| Right? | |
| So, God can make himself known to human beings because God is all-powerful. | |
| And saying that God cannot make himself known to human beings is false. | |
| Because a being that is all-powerful can absolutely choose to make himself Because if you're saying God can't do that, then you're saying God is not all-powerful, and God has no idea how to talk to the very beings that God created. | |
| He has no idea how to share his ineffable essence or his make-it-effable-for-mortals essence, right? | |
| So in the same way that I adapted my reading style and the stories that I was reading to my daughter when she was very little, God can, quote, dumb it down or limit it so that he can communicate to human beings. | |
| And so the idea that God is fundamentally unknowable is false, because that's saying that God can't make himself known to mortals, which God absolutely can make himself known to mortals. | |
| All right. | |
| There's a lot of that in church. | |
| Contradictions abound, yeah? | |
| Yeah. | |
| Honestly, it all looks like slippery jargon to me. | |
| Yeah. | |
| I mean, the purpose of intelligence, of high intelligence, is to clarify and simplify so that you can communicate. | |
| I mean, the whole point of cell phone is that you don't have to learn how to program in assembler to get your phone to do something. | |
| just touch and swipe and this and that and the other, right? | |
| So, yeah, the purpose of intelligence is not to say things are ineffable and wildly complicated, but it is in fact to simplify things so that... | |
| I mean, there was a definition at the beginning, which is, you know, God is all-powerful and all-knowing and all-good. | |
| Now, that's all gone, right? | |
| Because he made, unfortunately, the young man made the statement about people having contradictory viewpoints and irreconcilable viewpoints and all of that, right? | |
| Okay, is there a problem with that? | |
| I mean, the problem is that when we look at the whole, regardless of your inability... | |
| Well, of course, God would divvy himself up into digestible parts in order for you to have a relationship with it. | |
| So, since God wants a relationship with people, then God would... | |
| So it's not like you have to go and do the impossible, which is to comprehend the incomprehensible, and as a finite being, truly grok and absorb infinity and all of that. | |
| God would boil it down for you so that you could have a relationship. | |
| Now, if God doesn't do that, if God demands obedience but renders himself incomprehensible to you, that's just totalitarianism. | |
| Right? | |
| That's like, well, there's all these laws I'm not going to tell you about, so the laws are incomprehensible to you, but you're bound by them and you're going to go to jail anyway. | |
| That's just straight up totalitarianism. | |
| So if God is going to have rules for you, then God needs to communicate those rules in a comprehensible manner for you, which means God is not unknowable. | |
| Okay, is there a problem with that? | |
| I mean, the problem is that when we look at, famously, when you've been asked, do you believe in God, the question becomes, what do we mean by God? | |
| And in the Bible, it's not even clear if the biblical authors know what God is, because Yahweh has historically emerged from an early storm God, a deity that doesn't exhaust the category of deity, and that has changed over the Old Testament. | |
| Does God have physicality? | |
| Does God not have physicality? | |
| It seems like, yes, if you define religion to mean anybody that has an aim, anybody that looks at the unknown, anybody who wants to |
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