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May 1, 2025 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
06:53
How to Get Out of Student Loans
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Interesting.
Blindluck posted, it baffles my mind that after 42 months of interest-free extensions, 5.3 million people are in default on their student loans.
Yeah.
A woman named Emily Logan Stedman wrote this.
She said, I borrowed $128,606.84.
I've paid...
$97,858.26.
I still owe $100,482.57.
She says, I wouldn't trade in my law degree.
I left law school.
I'm fortunate to have almost always had a job that allows me to make the max required payment.
Clerking did not allow that.
But still, come on!
Those numbers are really kind of shocking for me.
That you can pay almost $100,000 on $128,000 and still owe $100,000.
Holy crap.
Why pay off?
I don't know.
I think it's very cool.
I'm still quite fascinated by AI. Bye.
Bye. Bye.
*lots of music* Thank you.
Interest accrual outpacing principal reduction.
Yeah.
Yeah.
6% interest rate.
At 6%, the annual interest on 128,000 is 7,700.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So about 28,000 of our payments have gone towards the principal.
the remaining almost 70,000 have gone towards interest.
yeah.
Federal student loans can take 10 to 25 years to pay off.
A standard 10-year plan for Emily's loan at 6% interest would require monthly payments of about $1,400.
Over 10 years, she'd pay about $171,000 with $42,000 and change going to interest.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's wild.
I'm a big fan.
If you're in debt, it's not financial advice to you.
I'm just saying, if I'm in debt, when I've been in debt, I will sell a kidney to put more down on the principal.
Because it's magic.
Absolute magic.
Absolute magic.
Now, if that's the max required payment, then she's not allowed to put down more money on the principal.
I assume that's what she's saying, right?
that there's a maximum payment that you can do?
But yeah, that's some pretty wild stuff.
So, initial loan amount, $128,600.
Total payments made, $97,858.
Remaining balance, $100,000.
Payments are monthly fixed.
There are no extra payments or changes in terms.
Yeah, like there's some mortgages that let you pay 13 months in a year.
The extra month goes straight on the principal.
Huge difference, right?
Paying down the principal is economic superpower.
It's wild how much it saves you.
Hmm. Okay.
Wow, some pretty intense math going on here.
Come on, I grok me Amadeus.
Oof.
So, I think what she said, so the grok worked it out.
Initial loan amount, 128,606.
Interest rate, 6.7% annual.
Monthly payments, 906.
Payments made, 108 months or 9 years.
Total term, 282 months or 23.5 years.
Yeah.
And I assume that that's the maximum.
So she's been paying for nine years.
It's about 14 and a half years left.
The 6.7% rate is consistent with federal graduate loan rates from the early 2010s.
Rate could vary slightly.
Yikes.
That's kind of terrifying.
Now, of course, putting women in particular, men too, right?
But putting women in particular...
Getting into debt is a great way of killing the birthright.
It's a fantastic way to kill the birthright.
You can't quit!
You can't quit.
Or if you do have kids, you've got to hand them over to the daycare, the state, whoever, right?
That's really something.
Crush your monthly expenses.
James says, I paid off my student loans early when I could.
Not sure what she means with a maximum payment.
I don't know.
But I mean, I think we know what she means by a maximum payment.
It means that you're on this treadmill forever.
I mean, when I was dating, I avoided women with debt.
I mean, I don't know if that's even possible anymore.
But I would avoid...
I would avoid women in debt.
I just did not want that burden.
I did not want that burden.
And it's one thing to be in debt for something that's going to grow in value.
You know, if you go in debt for maybe a house or whatever, right?
Something that's going to hopefully gain in value, go in debt to buy Bitcoin if that's what you did.
But...
Yeah, James, can you look that up if there are some loans that you have a maximum payment and you just can't pay more?
Like, you can.
Like, they're designed to lock you in for a quarter century.
That's rough, man.
That's brutal.
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