Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux - Do Women Care What Men Want?
Aired: 2025-03-06
Duration: 05:06


=== What Men Want From Women (04:15) ===

[00:00:00]  So, I find Kevin Samuels, again, he's a late great YouTuber.
[00:00:06]  He was constantly asking women.
[00:00:08]  Women would say, I want a high-value man.
[00:00:10]  A high-value man, right?
[00:00:11]  A man in the top 5% or 7% of income.
[00:00:15]  And he would say, what do the high-value men want?
[00:00:20]  Right?
[00:00:21]  High-value man can pick from 20 women who all want him, right?
[00:00:24]  Particularly if they're older.
[00:00:26]  If it's all the patriarchal beauty standard, okay, that's fine.
[00:00:30]  So then he asked women, hundreds or thousands of times, he asked women who want the high-value men, what do the high-value men want?
[00:00:40]  And the women had no idea.
[00:00:42]  The women had no idea.
[00:00:46]  So if you were running a magazine for women who wanted to settle down or whatever, then your articles...
[00:00:56]  Would not be about selling makeup, but it would be about, I mean, that would obviously be part of that to some degree, but the articles would be about, we've done a survey, here's what the men that women want, want from women.
[00:01:12]  You follow me?
[00:01:13]  Here's an article.
[00:01:15]  We've done our research.
[00:01:16]  Here's what the men that women want, want from women.
[00:01:20]  Do they want aggressive boss babes who make that?
[00:01:24]  I really hate that face up.
[00:01:26]  You know, that riot girl face, that tank girl face.
[00:01:30]  You know, I don't even know.
[00:01:31]  You know, just sort of the growl face or whatever it is.
[00:01:34]  You know, men don't want that.
[00:01:38]  I mean, there's a big debate on Twitter about somebody saying that a man would want sort of a calm, polite, even shy woman over an aggressive boss girl, a hyper-aggressive or hyper-assertive career woman.
[00:01:54]  Why?
[00:01:54]  Why would you want that?
[00:01:55]  I mean, if you don't want kids, that's fine.
[00:01:58]  But the people who don't want kids are not generally part of social discourse because they have no long-term investment in the future.
[00:02:06]  So they're kind of hedonists, right?
[00:02:08]  And people who don't want kids are people who can't have kids.
[00:02:10]  People who don't want kids, they're just not really part of the social discourse as a whole.
[00:02:17]  So, as far as...
[00:02:19]  I would believe all of this stuff about patriarchy beauty standards if women...
[00:02:25]  We're very curious about what men actually wanted.
[00:02:31]  Now, if women were just like, do you want me to get pillow lips?
[00:02:35]  Do you want me to get buckle fat removal?
[00:02:39]  Do you want me to get a boob job?
[00:02:41]  Do you want me to get a Brazilian butt lift?
[00:02:44]  Do you want me to get crazy hair weaves and extensions or whatever it is, right?
[00:02:49]  Do you want excessive makeup?
[00:02:51]  Do you want that dead-eyed?
[00:02:54]  Smokey-eyed robot face thing, right?
[00:02:57]  And what do men want?
[00:02:58]  Well, I would believe that women were following patriarchal beauty standards if, A, men had power much in society, and, B, if women were constantly asking men what they want.
[00:03:08]  Let me ask you guys who are here, right?
[00:03:10]  I'd respond to these questions Can you not do that?
[00:03:18]  Yeah.
[00:03:18]  So, have you ever...
[00:03:23]  Had a woman ask you what you like to see?
[00:03:26]  What do you want to see?
[00:03:27]  How do you like me to dress?
[00:03:28]  What kind of shoes do you want me to wear?
[00:03:30]  How much makeup do you want me to wear?
[00:03:32]  Do you want me to dye or streak my hair?
[00:03:34]  Do you want me to get Botox?
[00:03:38]  Have you ever had a woman who you have some sort of relationship with, probably either explicitly romantic or somewhat romantic or potentially romantic, more than just sister friend zone, have you ever had a woman ask you, How you want her to look.
[00:03:59]  Someone says, oh, James says, I never had anyone ask me that.
[00:04:03]  I haven't dated anyone that went to those extremes, though.
[00:04:06]  No, no, I mean, so you've never dated a woman who uses a lot of makeup?
[00:04:09]  Yeah.
[00:04:10]  But never had anyone ask how they wanted her to look either.
[00:04:14]  No, no, no.

=== Women Never Asked (00:50) ===

[00:04:15]  Right.
[00:04:16]  So is it a patriarchal beauty standard if women aren't asking men what they want?
[00:04:28]  No.
[00:04:28]  So then, who is it for if women aren't asking men what they want?
[00:04:31]  And the other thing, too, is that you could argue that there was more of a patriarchy when women needed male resources in order to survive, but now that women can get mostly male tax money through the redistributive welfare state, various kinds of welfare, I mean, all of the transfers of goods and services from men.
[00:04:51]  Two women, they don't need men for that, so they're liberated from that.
[00:04:57]  So just to switch gears for a sec, and the other thing too, you know, if you're in a relationship with a woman, ask her, how does she want you to look?