April 6, 2024 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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Welcome to low cam.
And we've got questions, comments, so we just dive straight in.
You can ask questions of me, of James, of Jared.
And Izzy.
I like that pause.
That was a dramatic pause.
I think that was nice, right?
Yeah, that was, you know, thinking about it.
Like, eh, Izzy, maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe.
All right.
And, why is this not?
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It's not scrolling.
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I didn't know why it is.
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The hate is real.
Why?
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Excellent.
On directness, you frequently praise and call for directness in communication.
What, if anything, do you feel is lost in such direct communication?
Whilst not an argument, I sense, for example, that many Japanese might not view directness as unambiguously optimally good.
So this is what they call oversimplification of a complex story.
So when have I said that directness is unambiguously or optimally good at all times, under all circumstances, no matter what?
So this is people who take a rather nuanced argument, ascribe it to black and white, and attack that straw man, if that makes sense.
I mean, maybe I've said that.
I don't think so.
I think directness is good.
That doesn't mean that all directness, all time, in all shapes and forms, to the T.
Well, you know, there's an old, it comes from an old show called the West Wing.
And it's always sort of struck me as I saw it, I don't know, some decades ago.
So a guy's being trained by his lawyer and how to speak lawyer, how to speak law.
Right?
Right.
Do you remember this one is?
A little bit, yeah, but you tell it.
So he says, the lawyer says to you, do you have the time?
What do you say?
She says, oh, 1030.
No, you say yes.
Do you have the time?
Yes.
And that's it.
You don't give them.
That would be so awkward.
Imagine, remember when we asked people like, oh, do you have the time?
And we don't have our phones.
Oh yeah.
Yes.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
When James is feeling a bit troll-y.
In the car the other day, Gerard was like,
Would you mind passing us coffee?
I was like, I don't mind at all.
And I did nothing.
My mother used to give me this thing where I would say, can I go outside?
And she says, well, I know that you can.
I just don't know that you may.
Right.
Because, you know, she was all about proper grammar, bad grandmother, proper grammar anyway.
So, uh, directness, if you're in a legal situation, uh, you know, there's the famous thing that if you're being questioned by, I don't know, some alphabet agency, right.
This is the deal.
Right.
And they, and they say, uh, they say, first of all, where were you three Wednesdays ago at seven o'clock?
Right.
And you say, I was doing X, Y, and Z. So then what they'll do is the next day or the day after.
They'll say, where were you three Wednesdays ago at 7 o'clock?
What is the correct answer?
The exact same thing you said previously.
No, say I need to speak to my lawyer or I don't recall or something like that.
That ship has sailed.
The correct answer is, I refer you back to my previous answer.
That's what I said last time.
I refer you to what I said last time and that's it, right?
Because if you say anything slightly different, they say, well, you're lying about one of them, or one of them must be false because they can't both be true.
This is why you always see these guys when they're under these depositions and so on.
They say, I refer you back to my previous answer of X, Y, and Z, right?
So, as far as directness goes, is it an absolute?
Is it some kind of gotta have no matter what?
Don't think so.
I don't think so.
And there are times as well when you will be indirect.
In many, or not forthcoming, you know, like when you're at the, you occasionally have this brain spasm when we're at the grocery store.
Yeah.
Right?
And you're so used to them saying, how are you?
Oh my gosh.
What happens?
Tell me what happens.
Tell me all about it.
I don't... Man, what was the last time it happened?
I just remember that I say something awkward, but I don't remember what it is.
So, normally you're saying, have a nice day, you too, right?
But if they say, thanks for shopping at this store, and you say, you too... Would you like that in a plastic bag, you too?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because her favorite band is Academy.
So that's, that's important.
So as far as directness goes, I think you want to be fairly direct and fairly honest.
But for instance, let's take a theoretical example.
All right.
Have you ever, okay.
Eeny, meeny, miny, moe.
Okay.
Let's go with, let's go with Jared.
Oh, Jared.
When you had a girlfriend, turn to the Paleozoic.
Oh, just kidding.
Just kidding.
So when you had a girlfriend,
Did your girlfriend ever ask, what are you thinking when you were in fact thinking about an ex-girlfriend?
The answer to that is always yes, at some point or another, it's happened.
It's just a matter of the planets aligning, right?
Sure.
Fair, okay.
That is what we call a white lie.
So were you like, yeah, I was just thinking about Beverly in the rain.
I mean, whatever, right?
Or even Beverly, she broke my heart or something.
Would you say, yes, I'm thinking about my ex?
I don't know.
Right.
Sorry, I think mom's calling.
I think if you can just go downstairs, this is probably more than the male lifting of the lid.
It's okay, I already know everything.
Don't worry about it.
Women know.
No, but are you direct?
I think you'd say, I'm thinking about how much my life has been enriched by knowing you.
Yeah, I'm direct about my care for feelings.
So I just wanted to point out that, uh, diplomacy and, and so on.
Right.
There was an old joke by, um, uh, Jerry Seinfeld.
It's what he did when he was first on the tonight show where the guy who's 700 pounds has lost 50 pounds.
And your friends are like, looking good.
You know, what are you supposed to say?
I mean, for the normal person, losing 50 pounds is pretty cool.
700 to 650, it's progress.
Yeah, but there's slightly less wind in the tent, so to speak, right?
So it's, but you, are you going to be direct?
Like, don't notice.
Can't really tell, you know?
You've de... I don't know, demanded that.
Well, you wouldn't say enough, to be honest, but still motivating.
Yes.
So, yeah, I mean, I do think that there's a certain amount of diplomacy that's necessary in life.
Izzy, what do you think?
I'm a pretty blunt person.
Right.
So, you know, diplomacy is very optional in my world.
Have you ever applied it with me?
Oh, all the time.
No, you get my very diplomatic answers, which probably don't seem very diplomatic.
Believe me, they are.
These are your diplomatic answers?
Yeah.
Dear Lord!
All right, show's over.
Show's over, as is peaceful parenting, sadly.
You know, good run, 15 plus years?
Like, no, here's the thing, though.
So, as an example of diplomatic, I had my friend ask me once,
Um, he totally didn't use chat TPT to write his essay or anything.
So he shows me his essay and he says, do you think they'll notice?
Or do you think this will pass or whatever?
And I read it and I'm like, no.
No, right?
That's honest.
It's honest.
And he's like, he looked at me.
He's like, you're supposed to say yes.
Yeah, I can totally see how you can be diplomatic.
And of course we do this relative to skill sets, right?
So when children are drawing their little lollipop figures and they say, what do you think?
You say, yeah, it's a good job.
You know, a good start, you know, good, good job.
Right.
When someone's learning a sport, let's say theoretically, right.
Good shot when they have a good shot, but you know, so I think to be encouraging relative to people who is that direct or I don't know, it's appropriate to the situation.
So I can sort of see that.
Yeah.
If you're pulled over for speeding, do you say UPP does not necessarily recognize the legitimacy of this blah-de-blah-de-blah?
Well, probably not, right?
I would say not to that, you know?
I would say not to that.
Right.
Thank you.
All right.
Is it not okay to post pictures of our children on the internet since they can't consent to it?
What are the risks?
I think, what do you think is?
Honestly, I don't really care.
Like the reason I'm not on any of these shows is mainly because my dad is like, or my parents specifically are like, keep your face off the internet until you're 18.
In case, you know, I like regret having my face on the internet when I'm older.
For me, like at this age and throughout my whole childhood, I would be like, I don't really care.
Um, but again, we'll always see how that is when I'm older.
I think I can see how someone would care though.
Like some kid, especially, um,
You know, maybe one day they want to start, I don't know, some YouTube channel or some talk show, and they just don't want to be known for anything else in the past.
Yeah.
Especially if you are, like, a prominent figure or something like that.
Right.
Then I can kind of understand why they stay relatively anonymous.
No, I can totally understand where your mom and dad are coming from.
It's like, look, I get it, but I got to answer to adult you, not... And also, if you theoretically had controversial
A controversial father, then that might be a different matter.
Yeah, but no, like, okay, say you were just some random guy who worked, like, an office job or whatever, right?
No real beefs with anyone, not very controversial.
Then I say go for it, because, like, it doesn't really matter, but since you do have a bit more of a controversial worldview, and you talk about it very openly, then I would say it's better to keep me off until I can make my own choice.
Also also let's say that that you have pictures on the internet of your kids and then you say something I'll get canceled through no particular fault of your own just whatever right something happens right.
And like that famous story of the woman, one of the first women to be canceled or attacked was the woman who made some joke about AIDS while flying to Africa.
Right.
She, she, she was on the plane, had a nice nap and then she landed and her life was like torn apart.
Right.
And she got fired.
Right.
So, so let's say just something, you know, kind of innocuous happens, you get canceled, you get attacked.
Then your kids photos could get weaponized, right?
Yeah.
So it is making a bunch of decisions for people that they, especially when they're young.
So my particular opinion too is people say, well, I want to share.
Uh, photos with my family.
Okay, fine.
Get a private encrypted app.
Uh, there's tons of them that you can use, which isn't going to be out there on the internet and say.
Like just text.
You don't have to post it all over Facebook.
Like.
Right.
No.
Right.
Right.
So you can, you can share photos without exposing them to the internet, as you say, the text or whatever.
Right.
So, uh, but I was.
I send photos to my friends and stuff all the time.
Like.
What?
Just kidding.
I thought you were genuinely like.
I was going to do.
Oh, so the acting worked.
Because the last time I would have actually spat except at the laptop.
Yeah.
Even then I was 50, 50.
My friends and I send a lot of pictures and stuff, right?
But it's like, again, I'm not posting it all over Instagram or whatever, so.
Right.
Yeah.
So I would say hold off because a lot of times it's vanity as well.
Like, oh, look how pretty my kid is.
Look how cute my kid is.
Look at the funny things they're doing.
A lot of it is ego based vanity and that's not great.
I see that a lot online with like all these mom vloggers and stuff who like vlog their life.
I really hate those people.
It's like you're just
Filming your day to just show off how cool your life is and without any consent from like your kids.
Right.
Yeah.
You didn't check with your husband to be like, hey, do you care if I film our kids 24-7 because the husband probably wouldn't be too happy about that.
What age would you think, let's say you're one of the parents who's like, okay, I'll negotiate with you.
I'll find, do you understand what's going on?
Yeah.
What are the risks?
But kids can't at that age.
Yeah.
Well, no, not very, very little.
I'm curious from Izzy's perspective, at what age do you think the kids are old enough to make that call to some degree?
Honestly, I think it really depends on the maturity level, because I know some kids who are my age who I don't think would have the maturity to make that, whereas I also know, I think, me, I don't know if I have the maturity to make that decision yet about whether I'd want my, like, face to roll over the internet.
Because, like, once it's on the internet, good luck.
It's on.
Yeah, like, anybody can download an image, and even if you delete it, it's not deleted on their end, so.
Yeah.
It's forever.
You know, I think it's probably better that my face hasn't been on the internet.
So yeah, I'm fine with it, honestly, but I don't think.
Fingerprints, yes, but that's a different matter.
Oh, yes.
DNA sequence.
Yeah, but not the face.
But not the face.
All right.
That would be the last.
So, yeah, I would say I can't think of any sort of legitimately necessary or important reason why you'd want to do that.
Yeah.
So I think and of course, for me, the parents who film their kids incessantly for clicks and video and views and money and income and so on.
I don't know, man.
That's pretty rough.
That's pretty rough.
I mean, it is, to me, a kind of child labor, and the kids can't... You're not aware.
They can't consent.
They're too young.
Yeah.
So I'm not a huge fan of that kind of stuff, so... Yeah.
All right.
What do we got here?
Let's get... Let's get to it.
I'm Russell James no don't he's too he's too young so somebody has said here that he says I talked to my mother about my lack of success with women and she suggests I get an imaginary girlfriend.
Like make one up in my head bro.
Was there more to that?
No, I don't really think that that's the best advice.
Is this a comment?
Yeah, it was a comment.
Somebody, you know, basically said, I went to my mother and she said I should just, you know, get an imaginary girlfriend.
Dude, that's what like teenage girls do when they're romanticizing some Twilight thing.
They get an imaginary boyfriend.
That's like... Oh, the simping stuff, right?
That's like a joke for teenage girls, not like grown men trying to find a partner.
Yeah.
Like what?
Well, I feel that
Wanting to date the Jonas Brothers seems to be quite rational for a lot of teenage girls.
Do I have that right?
I did tell them that they were a bunch of divorced middle-aged guys.
Are they divorced?
I don't know much about the Jonas Brothers.
Some of them have been divorced.
Some of them have kids.
One of them has cancer or something.
What?
But no, they're so hot!
Well, maybe it's all the radiation from the treatment.
I don't know.
I heard one of them had cancer.
Don't quote me on that.
Someone said they had cancer and I just believed them because I thought it was funny.
I mean, not funny, but I mean, I thought it was funny that had all these girls simping on this guy with cancer.
Now, just wanted to point out that I did say Bitcoin was not going to plummet.
And it's gone back up.
It's gone back up 7,300 bucks.
Today.
Oh, dang, that's a lot.
So, it's out at 91.405.
So, again, because I'm no expert on this, but my understanding is because big finance is in, they're going to snap up the dips.
Yeah.
So, I don't think we have to worry as much, right, could happen, but I don't think we have to worry quite as much about
The 80% plummets in the past.
Although I did see, uh, someone saying, you know, there's that meme of the actor with the rope around his neck, like first time.
Yeah.
And it's like Bitcoin dip first time.
It's quite exciting.
Quite exciting.
All right.
So happy and ready to listen to and hear your questions, comments, issues, challenges, problems, criticisms, whatever you've got.
You can ask the question of anyone who's here and, um, we'll be happy to answer.
Just to go back to that guy who said, uh, whose mom was like, make up an imaginary girlfriend.
I got to say out of all the advice I've heard, number one, that's very incomprehensible.
And number two, absolutely terrible because say you make up some imaginary girlfriend, you're not going to be out there looking for real women because you have an imaginary girlfriend.
There is that challenge.
Um.
I mean, sometimes it's okay to say to someone, I don't actually want to help you rather than give them absolutely terrible advice.
Yeah.
Right.
That would have been more helpful.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because then at least you're not getting the pretense of an answer.
And then they can go somewhere else.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
So let me get to these questions and comments.
Oh, close that.
I have too many things open.
You have a lot of tabs.
Tabs.
Tabs and a half.
Tabs and a half.
Sorry.
Somebody's typing and has been for like 20 minutes.
So this is going to be the neurotic girlfriend response.
You know, have you seen that, Izzy?
What does that mean?
Dude, that happened actually last time.
I was with like the, it was like a big event with this homeschooling group and some guy got a text.
From wall of text girl, they'd been kind of like flirting and stuff.
And it was like, I saw the phone and it went on.
Like you've seen that with the mean people scream scrolling for like a good five seconds before you reach the bottom.
And it was like, Oh man, not good.
Uh, sorry.
Still, still typing.
Uh, if anybody has any shorter questions, we're very happy to help Jared.
Is there anything that you've seen on the Bitcoin space that is worth.
Sharing.
I can always gab about Bitcoin, but what particular demand?
Well, just in terms of people's fears about the pullback.
I got something that I know a bunch of people are probably thinking right now.
You said $73,000 back to you.
You're talking Canadian.
Canadian, $91,500.
I'm thinking in U.S.
dollar brain!
And so when you say Canadian, I hear $73,000.
I'm like, really?
No.
Right.
It's gone back up $7,400 today, plus 8.9%.
Yeah, of course it was going to go back.
Well, 74 Canadian bucks, obviously.
The automated element is just so important, right?
They sell, it triggers more sales, and then someone buys and it's just going to bounce back up, at least in my view, and that's what seems to be happening, so.
Yeah.
It's funny, I think if I had a dollar for every F5 on Bitcoin I've ever done, I'd have more than five dollars.
You might have a bitcoin.
Moment to re-emphasize, we were talking about that research paper a while ago, where someone tracked those that tried to trade against it, and like, good luck.
So I was a poker dealer for a long time, and I liked being the poker dealer because I always got paid when the hand resolved.
With the people playing against each other, I'm like, I'm not going to be a better poker player than all of these guys in the long run.
I'm just going to give them my
Japanese have a culture of being fake nice.
I'm not sure you'd want, no, I'm not sure you'd want to ask the Chinese about that.
No, to each other, very socially.
Yeah.
You will very rarely from what I've seen and read and heard a lot about Japan.
Um, they're very rarely ever like going to have a confrontation or a fight with each other.
The males.
How do the females, how did the females police weight gain in Japan?
No, but the thing is, they don't fight.
They'll just make a comment every now and then.
You're fat.
Right.
No, it'll just be a comment like, I don't know, getting fat are we or something like that.
Or like, oh, like my obese grandmother ate like you once or something like that.
Exploded.
No, like just something like that.
You remind me of someone in Little Nightmares.
Or no, like last time I had those dumplings, I gained five pounds or something.
Right, right, right.
Things like that.
But they're still very, very nice to each other.
You may hate each other, but you probably won't say anything about it.
Whereas me, I dislike someone everybody knows.
Here is a good interesting question.
Who is Gerard and what is his function?
What is my function?
Who is Gerard?
Gerard.
G-E-R-A-R-D.
Like the part of you.
G-E-R-A-R-D.
Oh no, that's not how you spell Gerard.
They apologized further down.
They said, sorry, Gerard.
Oh no, let's not get to that yet.
It's not fun.
We'll get to that later.
I'm more curious about what is his function.
I think he means in the show.
I generate pure masculinity and philosophy.
He sweats testosterone.
There we go.
I know, I accidentally rubbed my forehead on it and that's it for my hair growth.
Tomorrow it'll all be sprouting back.
One eyebrow, one eyebrow will be like a ferret and that's it.
That's all we need.
All right.
Hey Steph, I saw June 2021 right before your review and you were right.
It didn't make any sense.
The dialogue was like listening to a hippie tripping in a tent at Burning Man or a schizo in a tent in Portland.
I enjoyed some laughs there.
I only read that because he agreed with me.
Clearly the wisest comment so far.
Actually, we will have the Dune 2 review, which is about the length of the movie itself.
Yeah, we got a two and a half.
We talked about the movie.
We mostly talked about the biography, which was very interesting.
But yeah, but that'll be coming out soon.
So definitely watch that.
Yeah, we're gonna try to kick it out to donors tonight or tomorrow at the very latest.
Something like that.
Yeah, it's really good.
We'll put it out soon.
Yeah, really good.
It's a killer review.
Yeah.
Is having poor taste in literature a sin to you?
If you don't agree that this book is good, you're sinful and you're going to hell!
So we did talk a little bit earlier about the bluntness.
It's hard to find.
But if you do read between the lines, all right.
Why don't you just unquark?
Just let it all out.
Be aware.
I'm joking.
I do not agree with that.
What do you mean literature is a sin?
What?
Everyone has opinions.
You know, some people are objectively wrong, but it's not a sin.
Objectively.
Okay, okay.
What if somebody is into... Okay, so the grossest movies that I know of, I've never seen any of them, but my understanding is the Saw movies.
Yeah.
That's pretty bad.
Now, I couldn't understand those because I thought you had to watch them in the past tense.
Like, you don't see them, you saw them.
And it's like, but I'm seeing it.
I can't saw it.
I'm going to do this for about another 10 or 15 minutes, so feel free to get comfortable.
Not 20?
What?
Not 20?
Yeah, I'm maturing, I think.
So, no, let's say, let's say, okay, so Izzy, let's say you go on a date with a guy, and he, so the Saw movies, have you ever seen any?
No, I've not.
Jaren?
I've seen some reviews of them, but that's it.
I saw the first one, and because it was like... See, that's it.
You saw, okay, go on.
And it was, yeah, pretty gruesome and bad.
You get trapped in a house and you have to, like, do brutal things.
You basically have to, like, mutilate yourself and others to get out of it.
To get out, right?
So just out of curiosity, right, you can ask this of the males and the females here.
If you went on a date with someone and that person was, like, waxing about how incredibly wonderful and inspiring the Saw movies were, would you be alarmed?
Check, please.
Sounds good to me.
No, I'm kidding.
Well, here's the question.
How good looking is he?
That will determine my answer.
And how rich is he?
And is he willing to pay for dinner?
Do you see the knife shivering between the ribs?
Does he got broccoli?
Does he got broccoli, Ed?
Does he got?
Are his eyes dreamy?
So his response would be, I'm sorry, did you say something?
I'm sorry, I was busy looking into your soul.
No, you wouldn't want to look into the soul of a guy who liked the Saw movies.
If he's pretty enough.
Oh, he's pretty enough.
Okay.
Okay.
So it's, it's good that we've done all these.
And as we can see, this philosophy thing really stuck to me.
It really paid off.
Sometimes I think it skips generations.
I've known women, like a prospect, who are all into horror and stuff like that.
You're screaming red flag.
Like, come on.
Honestly, I don't think it's a sin to like a Saw movie.
However, I would not consider it exactly a green flag.
It's one thing there's sort of like make horror the horror genre like part of their personality and it's like no.
I don't like people who make like anything a part of their personality big enough.
Unless they're very pretty in which case they can do anything they want.
All right.
Um, okay.
So I'm trying to think if so, there are also, um, if somebody is like exclusively reading like hell sent horror novels or something like that, I'd be, I'd have concerns.
Now, the other thing too, is you could say if the Saw movies hit, I'm trying to get to the sin part, which I may or may not get to.
So if the Saw movies are just, just bad for people, if that makes any sense, right?
They're just unhealthy, right?
They tend to reinforce the worst aspects of sort of human behavior.
Spending a lot of money on these Saw movies, and then you're encouraging them.
What are they up to?
Saw?
What's the eight?
Oh, like nine.
Nine?
Really?
There's a lot.
I'm looking this up.
I gotta know.
Sorry, keep going.
Yeah, yeah.
So you're kind of pouring money into this pretty negative stuff that's bad for people and all of that.
So are you contributing to something that's kind of toxic in the human landscape?
Now, I'm not saying that's directly a sin, but I could see how that would have a pretty bad effect.
There's ten!
There's ten Saw movies.
Wow.
All 10 Saw Movies Ranked is a video 5 months ago on YouTube.
What is this?
Learn how to watch the 10 Saw Movies in chronological order from the original 2004 film to the latest spin-off, Saw X. What?
Okay, stop.
Stop.
Stop.
Learn how to?
They literally have numbers after them.
What do you mean learn how to?
Can you count to 10?
Actually, saw people probably can't count to 10.
It says January 8th, 2024.
Learn how to watch the 10 Saw movies in chronological order.
Learn how to count to 10.
Now, you know what someone's going to do.
Is they're going to say that they skip around in time.
You have to have like a high school education, man.
I'm in high school.
I still can't do Roman numerals.
But maybe they're out of chronological order.
Like maybe Saw 8 is before Saw 3 or something like that.
I've seen video games that are like that.
So I definitely could be like that for movies too.
I'm going to go back to the simplistic thing and say, just count to 10.
Saw X came out in 2023.
All right.
Hold on.
When is Saw 11?
Oh no.
SAW 11 CONFIRMED WITH SEPTEMBER 2024 RELEASE DATE!
Just die for my birthday!
Lionsgate officially confirmed SAW XI with an Instagram post on Monday.
Oh, did Izzy just say SAW 11 XI?
She does do Roman numerals.
I'm reading a number.
I mean a letter.
Okay, anyway, sorry.
All right.
Uh, interesting.
Interesting.
All right.
So I, I would view it as a red flag.
I think it does contribute like the really nasty stuff really does contribute like, like brain dead zombie stuff and all of that.
I just don't think it's particularly good.
And for me, it would be a red flag because it's somebody stuck in some sort of horror situation.
Aren't you beautiful and like a celebration of what's great about humanity and stuff like that, but then if you're taking that, and I can see like a tragic story tale that's got some dark elements.
Yeah.
You know, but if that's like all you consume or that's what you celebrate, like that's your go-to and you're not also curious about why you're interested in that.
You know, I'm like, you know, I get it.
It's a little weird and I'm not sure, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I can maybe see it like as a guilty pleasure, but not like as, oh, I'm really, really into it.
But even then, I don't even know, like that kind of movie, maybe not, but like maybe like horror.
You'd want to have the self-knowledge and social skills, even if it was a guilty pleasure.
Right, right.
To not talk about it.
To not talk about it.
Oh, those soul movies.
Oh, monsters.
Right, right.
All right.
Well, that accent, man.
I don't even know if looks could make up for that.
Actually, yeah, they could.
I could.
Smuggins?
Pretty Smuggins?
I don't know.
Pretty Smuggins!
Let's not find the bottom of Izzy's cutoff for good looking guys.
I'm concerned about this.
OK, he's the Antichrist, but... OK, don't answer.
All right.
Speaking of tabs... How did he abs?
Did you play his ribcage like an xylophone?
No, no.
The number of abs would be 666.
I think that's it.
Or the entire cast of 300.
All right.
Speaking of Tabs, did you ever drink Tab and was it any good?
I don't think I've ever had a Tab drink.
Tab is a kind of pop or soda for you.
Diet soda from the 70s or something like that.
Was it a seltzer?
No, it's like a diet cola.
I never had it.
Are you working on any more social media reviews?
Those are always hilarious.
Hey, I said we can do them!
Okay, I have a bunch of stuff bookmarked, but I have not done them as yet.
And also, tips are welcome!
I would appreciate that very much.
Tell people not to tip you and use reverse psychology.
Don't tip me!
Don't tip me!
No, tip me like a canoe.
All right.
You should get some broccoli here.
I should get broccoli here?
That would be quite a lot of CGI and makeup.
All right, let's see here.
Oh, there's one here.
Oh, is that you, Jared, typing away?
That's the image!
The dark image!
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Just because I should means I can and I should.
Right.
Sorry, if you want Izzy to listen to you, apparently you have to post a headshot and it has to be flawless.
Yep.
All right.
What do we got here?
Did you see Drake Bell from Nickelodeon's interview on Twitter?
So they're finding a lot of child stars who worked in Hollywood and they were very mean to a lot of those kids to get them to work long hours and do what they wanted.
And so this kind of lid is, I mean, can you imagine making children work?
Right.
Get back in the box.
All right.
Get back in the livestream box.
Question.
Let's see here.
Don't really care about that one.
Politics.
My Indian boss told me straight to my face that I got fat.
See, again, that's not very Asian culture.
Yeah, well, that's South Asian as opposed to East Asian, right?
No, I'm saying... I'm talking about like... Yeah, I meant like... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, but I was saying, because we were talking about Japanese, it's like... Not like that.
I agree with Izzy, straight to jail.
I don't know what that... All the good-looking guys should go straight to jail?
He just says... Oh, someone says, I agree with Izzy.
Next person says, straight to jail.
No, it's the same person.
It's the same person, yeah.
When did I see Street of Jail?
Sin.
Literature.
Oh, yes, okay.
I loved the movie until the end.
How did those sand people know how to fly Imperial cruises without doing computer-based training modules?
Don't worry about it.
What?
It was broken from the very end.
I don't know exactly what they're saying.
When did you talk about the end where the Fremen hop on all the Imperial frigates to go fly off and fight the Great Holy War?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Here's how we answered that.
They just do.
They just do.
It's science fiction, not science fact.
All right.
Saw films are just a long series of gory murder mysteries.
Are they murder mysteries?
I don't think they were that sophisticated, were they?
Just torture fest, right?
There are some mysteries to them.
That's a little bit of puzzleness, but it's mainly like a vehicle for gore.
Right.
Right.
And sadism.
All right.
Not unlike Dune.
Yeah.
Does a philosopher exist if we cannot see her?
Dun dun dun.
Honestly, I'm not sure I'm a philosopher.
That's what a philosopher would say.
Exactly.
I'm just not embracing my destiny.
Tommy Clarinet or whatever his name was.
Is it not?
Oh, Chalamet?
Yeah.
That's a cool name.
Timothee Chalamet.
Chalamet.
I don't know.
I like Clarinet better.
I just like the fact that he's, both he and his character, his character's shallow and he's got shallow in his name.
Chalamet.
Chalamet.
In Maine?
Or is it Maine?
Maine.
Oh yeah, bro's got some hair.
Bro's got hair and a half, right?
Dude, he has like the pointiest jaw ever.
He does, he does actually.
You can open a beer bottle on his jaw.
He's got such a cool name though, Chalamet.
Chalamet, right?
I say it's cool and I don't even remember it.
I don't know, I'm sticking with Clarinet.
Somebody says, I avoid all horror movies, murder movies and torture movies.
There is enough bad stuff in the world already.
I don't want to pollute my mind with any more bad nonsense.
Yeah.
All right.
How about if a female date is into the Handmaiden's Tale?
So that's by a Canadian writer.
Have you seen they've got the white bonnets and the red coats?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's about women who were kind of enslaved into having babies in some future.
I haven't seen the whole review on this.
Oh yeah, I find, I started watching the show because I'm just kind of curious and the writer is very famous, I thought it was just absolutely horrible, designed just to get women to hate men and it was just kind of creepy and weird.
I watched the review, I forgot about it.
Yeah, I would not date a woman who was into The Handmaid's Tale.
Likewise, anything that's
Well, it's political, really, isn't it?
I mean... Well, it's just feminist hate man stuff, right?
Yeah, that stuff is a direct no.
And it also is training women to hate pregnancy and childbirth.
That too.
Right?
It's oppressive, right?
How many leprechaun movies are there?
Oh, God.
I know there are at least up to six.
There was Leprechaun in Da Hood when I was a kid.
What are leprechaun movies?
It's a corny, cheesy horror movie from back in the day.
I saw a great meme, which was, this is the most Irish thing ever.
And it was a rainbow that landed on a Guinness truck.
Well, pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is the Irish leprechaun thing and Guinness is a Irish beer.
So the most Irish thing ever.
All right.
How many leprechaun movies are there?
Leprechaun is an American horror comedy film series consisting of eight slasher films.
Oh, it's a slasher film?
Horror comedy is fair.
How are they rated?
Um, hold on.
Is it worth a review?
No.
Are these movies leprechauny?
Well, Jennifer Aniston is in the first one.
Really?
Yep.
Oh, dear.
Yep.
And she says, I just want to be friends.
PG-13.
I mean, PG-18.
I mean, I can't watch it.
You just changed that so you wouldn't have to watch it.
I would never.
I'm a good liar.
I would never is Izzy's confession of I just did.
No, no, I was not writing.
I meant like audience rating.
Oh, 4.8.
Oh, 4.8.
Oh, yeah, like a really middle of road.
Yeah.
I think too.
Just below average.
Look, sometimes things can be bad enough to be good.
Is that fair to say?
Oh, yeah.
Isn't there that philosophy show that's like that?
What's it called?
I'm in a very bad place right now.
And then the laughter stopped.
All right.
Horror really is the best genre, the best horror movies aren't horror movies at all.
I have a better question.
How can you have more than one Final Destination?
How does it have sequels?
What is Final Destination?
It's a pretty cool film.
So I think there's like five.
Final Destination is basically, um, I remember what I watched a review on it.
I watch a lot of reviews on stuff, but I watched a review on it and basically the one that I remember the most is there's a group of friends and they're going, they're at a carnival.
And basically they go on this roller coaster and the way it's portrayed, seen in the movie, is basically they go on the ride and halfway through the ride it starts breaking apart because it's a carnival and basically everyone on the ride dies.
However, after, when she dies, she's the very last one to die, the main character, and basically when she dies is when she opens her eyes and it's right where the ride's about to start.
So she gets like a premonition of her death and everyone else on the ride.
So what she does is she freaks out.
She's like, oh, she panics and basically starts screaming and like, no one can go on the ride.
No one can go on the ride.
A lot of people think she's being crazy.
She gets escorted out.
Some of her friends don't go, but the majority of people do, including her boyfriend, and they die.
That's what I remember from it.
Wait, it just gave away spoilers.
Spoilers.
Spoilers!
Yes, spoilers!
I mean, this is all told in the first 10 minutes of the movie, so it's not huge spoilers.
Not spoilers.
Once you're up to episode 12 of a series, the theme is gone.
Well, here's the thing.
So, later on, the thing that makes it interesting is death basically comes for them in the order that her vision premonitioned.
So, say everybody on the ride died in her vision.
However, six of those people
Like when she told them everyone needs to get off, six of those people actually went off.
They would die in the order that they were supposed to.
So something odd would happen or a series of unfortunate events.
I remember one of them died from like a sun tanning salon or something like that.
Like it wouldn't open or whatever.
And there was another one that died.
It was like the funniest.
It's really goofy at some points.
Wait, a suntanning salon wouldn't open?
They're trapped in, like, the... Oh, the bed.
Trapped in the bed, yeah.
And then there's another one, like, I think he set, like, the entire apartment building on fire trying to cook spaghetti.
Like, I don't know, they're kind of goofy.
Well, you know, they do say carbs are bad for you.
True.
It's kind of goofy.
It's also kind of not.
It's kind of like a, I want to say like half a half a gory film anyways, because it's all about death and stuff like that.
Their catch is that like, you know, they cheat death.
So death is going to get them.
But then their kind of catch is that they find these really weird, bizarre ways to have people die.
Like he's cheating in an accident and then a pole flies through the, you know, in a car accident.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yo, Steph.
Word.
Yo, yo.
You gotta watch Attack on Titan.
Probably one of the best shows you will ever see.
FRFR.
No cap.
For real, bro.
Okay, what is Attack on Titan?
It's anime, I'm pretty sure, and I don't think it's very good.
No?
I've watched some, I've seen some stuff on it.
I don't know.
Everybody I know who likes Attack on Titan, no offense, audience, whoever said that, are not exactly people I like.
Let me, let me look.
I could be, I could be thinking of something else.
There is a kind of griff in this.
Yeah, I've seen a lot on Attack on Titan.
It's kind of just like silly anime thing.
I mean, it was an interesting story for a little bit.
I don't know.
It's been a while since I've watched it.
Would you say it was an interesting story?
And I mean, I kind of liked it for a bit, but honestly, if you're not into it.
I watched a couple of them because we had friends that were into it.
Yeah.
Some of it.
And it's I couldn't really quite get into it.
Like I don't like what's the point of this?
They're time traveling.
And then this person is there's like it's this
Soap opera.
Of layers of stuff going on.
I'm like, I'm not seeing the appeal here.
There's also this character, I keep seeing it, from Attack on Titan.
It's like a giant muscular skeleton thing.
There's some freaky looking birds.
Let's hold this up to the camera.
This is a character from Attack on Titan.
What is up with the abs, bro?
What?
I mean, it's how I look in the mirror.
Hold it up on camera.
That's not camera.
Camera's there.
No, camera's actually this one.
Oh, camera's there.
Oh, I'm thinking of a different one.
What is that?
Why does it have like 20 abs?
Why is there no flesh on the skull?
Why is there no flesh on the skull, but there's flesh everywhere else?
Why is there flesh on the belly but not the ribs?
So he makes whistling sounds?
I'm telling you, play ribs like an xylophone.
This is what I'm talking about.
Right.
Okay.
How pretty is that one?
Honestly, if he had broccoli hair.
That's a lot of setups.
That's all I'm saying.
Right now, definitely lacking.
Could have a few more abs.
666 is the minimum.
Probably needs to do some crunches.
Crunches.
All right.
Uh, Stephen King is an absolute sicko.
Yes, he is.
Yes, he is.
Um, and he sees, to me, utterly compromised.
That's the price of success in, in Hollywood is, it seems to be pretty much your soul.
It could be, could be something else, but, uh, all right.
I saw the first two Leprechaun movies, not memorable.
The Leprechaun looks like a troll.
Is he's offended?
Very.
Um.
What is your opinion of Tom Clancy?
His movies and games seem very grounded and well executed, but when I actually read some of his books, I was surprised the amount of romance in them.
Uh, I've never read a Tom Clancy book.
I, you know, that like details about special ops force.
It just, it, to me, it's like military industrial complex worship.
I don't have any interest in that stuff.
It's just really boring.
There's a link floating around from him where he says, I was surprised if it's accurate.
Government is bad and lazy and incompetent.
Yeah, it's like everything the government does is incompetent.
They're evil.
They're bad.
They're sort of like, but he, she's made this.
Career writing all these books.
Yeah.
It's, it's just like tough guy fantasy that, that the government program called war is good or useful or helpful and all of that.
And I, you know, I'm not sure that a lot of people have a lot of faith left in the alphabet agencies around the world.
I don't think it's like ever since the revelations about JFK came out, I'm not sure that people are like, Hmm, I'm sure they are doing their part to battle evil in the world.
It may not be the case.
Uh, what do you think about Ghibli movies like spirited away?
Do you remember that one Izzy?
Yes, I do remember that.
What did you think of that?
Really disliked it.
I can definitely see how people will like it.
Not my thing, though.
So, many, many years ago, there was a guy on the old community server, the prehistoric forum on FDR, and he... Sorry?
The ancient one.
Yeah, and he, like the one we use hieroglyphics and carrier pigeons, and he suggested that I watch
Spirited away.
And I found it way too creepy, like just really disturbing.
I don't find the monsters disturbing.
I find everybody being totally fine with the monsters.
That's way more disturbing to me.
Right?
So these, these kids, they get into this other portal with the real, really weird creatures, but the creatures are just kind of going about their business and they're just kind of odd and weird.
And I find that.
If there's dysfunctional people around, that's one thing.
If there's dysfunctional people around and everyone's treating them as if they're completely normal, that's to me really creepy.
And that's what I get out of that spirited away.
Now I did end up watching it years later and I didn't find it so bad, but it didn't, it wasn't my thing.
It just, it's too otherworldly.
And it's too, because it's so disconnected from anything that would happen in your actual life.
It has no relevance importance.
It doesn't train you about anything in this life or anything like that.
So.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Alright.
There's nothing I can take away from it.
It's been working, do you know?
What's mogging?
I know what mogging is.
What is mogging?
Book smaxing.
Book smaxing?
Oh no, I'm gonna get into all of this.
You mean like super broccoli here?
Search for mogging.
Yeah, it basically means- it's like- Wait, hang on, hang on, hang on.
Sorry, don't mean to interrupt.
Look what happened when I searched for mogging.
It's just me.
Do you know what mewing is?
Oh, me.
Giant thumb colossus.
So, mogging, apparently, is just me.
How lovely.
Sorry, go ahead.
Izzy, you had something that you wanted to say or to just consume by rage?
No, that's fine.
No, so tell me.
Tell me.
I'm spilling the secrets of Gen Z.
So, mogging basically means looking better than your past self or other people in your environment and stuff like that.
Right.
It's also, like, another one is, like, looks maxing, which is going- Glow up?
No, looks maxing.
No, glow up.
I've heard that one.
Kind of glow up, but looks maxing is, like, going to extremes to kind of achieve, like, the most attractive you can be, kind of.
Whether it's, like,
You know, whatever kind of stuff.
So let me ask you this, because you make claims to be blunt.
I mean, fair to say earlier, there was a big thing about you being blunt.
So if you were to go around the room and say, I mean, it's hard for me to imagine what looks maxing would be for me other than what I am.
But if you were to say some alternate dimension, what would I do to look max?
It's just a Gen Z word that gets come up with, you know, like, you know, like yeeted.
So it also means outsizing or dwarfing somebody in muscle size, fullness, and definition.
So I guess it's a physical aspect.
Yeah.
But how do, how do women mog?
Women don't really mog.
This is more of the effeminization of men.
Yeah, this is more men trying to be as attractive as possible, the way women used to do that.
But now women try and be as ugly as possible and men try.
Mouse utopia, beautiful ones.
Yeah, the men try to become women.
Okay.
All right.
I appreciate that.
Oh, somebody immediately typed hair transplant the moment this question came up.
I'm not saying that you should.
I'm saying that's what mogging usually would be.
It's just like doing every possible measure to be as attractive as possible is like mogging or looks maxing.
And it also includes plastic surgery?
Not really.
No?
I think that's more of a woman thing.
I'm not sure what the woman version or... So male plastic surgery, don't men get chest reductions or chest implants or jaw implants or... Jaw implants, yes.
I think so, right?
I'm not sure of plastic surgery.
That's kind of looked down upon.
Zuma here, I'm deep into black pill stuff.
I don't know what that means, if that's related to anything.
Get away from the black pill stuff.
Yeah.
Stop.
Until we can monetize it, in which case we'll leave you there.
Bruh.
All right, so, um, that's interesting.
All right.
Tom Clancy, they used the voice to fly those things.
Oh, did they use the voice of command to fly those things in Dune?
Oh, how interesting.
Fly!
Fly!
Orals!
Is that not the voice of command?
There's something like that.
Uh, I wonder what Steph would think of the classic John Wayne Western films.
Would be a fan of those kinds of movies.
I know too much about the Wild West to know.
I mean, it's all propaganda.
It's all, Oh, so crazy.
And we really needed the government and boy, it was just guys shooting each other up until the sheriff came along.
Like all the stuff we did in the truth about the Wild West, which you should check out.
Right.
Alright.
Have you seen Avatar The Last Airbender?
I know what it is.
It's not a fan.
Again, I don't really like anime stuff hugely.
So...
I've heard people refer to it as a good anime with some good morals or something like that for kids.
Yeah, it's supposed to be a kid's thing.
But again, I've noticed a lot of kids shows and stuff are really being taken over by adults and stuff.
I've noticed a lot of this.
I know a bunch of people who I knew before they graduated and stuff and are now 19, 20, 18 kind of thing.
So definitely an adult, late teens, early 20s.
Yeah.
And they're very much, you know, like, one of them, it's more the girls than the guys, but I see them being a lot interested in, like, young kid shows.
Like, like little kid shows?
Kinda.
Sorry, males or females?
Women.
Oh, okay.
Women.
Like, one of the ones, it was like, the one with the miraculous ladybug, like, I don't know, it's that woman with the annoying ladybug suit.
Yeah.
Like that, like cartoons and stuff like that.
And it's like, what are you doing?
You're an adult, like.
Yeah.
You see, we talked about drugs, that they're not good.
What do you mean?
A woman in a ladybug suit?
What are you talking about?
You know this show.
What?
Do I?
I watched it for like a month and then I just stopped watching because it was boring when I was like younger on the Cartoon Network.
Okay.
No, you watched it.
You can't just okay me.
You watched it.
I just, I can't, I can't imagine no matter how good the animation is that a movie about a curling iron is any good.
Oh, sorry, airbender.
I thought it was hairbender.
Sorry, my mistake.
Hairbender is not a curling iron.
Hairbender.
Look, it's as close as I'm going to get to a curling iron.
You know, sometimes the joke is better not made.
I know, and one of those days we'll come across one of those times.
Uh, let's see here.
Um, somebody says, thank you for the tip.
I appreciate that.
Somebody says, glad to join late.
Don't want to interrupt, except to just say my wife and I found out today we'll be having our second child.
Oh, congrats!
Congratulations.
As a type, I see that you're talking about horror films.
P.S.
Spirited Away is strange.
Very Japanese in its imagery and mythology, but I may be redundant.
Well, I appreciate that.
Thank you so much.
And congratulations on... You're welcome.
Stop kidding.
...the baby.
Do social media beauty filters count as mocking?
No.
But there would be glow-ups, wouldn't there?
No.
Oh, okay.
Social media beauty filters are usually looked down upon.
I mean, I can think of a few people who would, but no, usually you're not supposed to count that as, like, mogging.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Alright.
Have you ever been, like, aware that they're acting effeminately?
Is there any shame at all?
They don't care, but I definitely shame you for it.
And I'm not friends with the guys who do that.
Like, we might be acquaintances, but usually if I ever see them doing that, I'm just giving them a look.
I'm like, what are y'all doing?
Sorry, I'm just trying.
I've lost the scroll back.
My friends will say stuff like that and pretend to be interested in that as a joke.
Partly to, like, troll me, and partly to, like, just joke about it and be silly.
Like, they'll make fun of stuff like that.
Oh, this is a question about video games.
I don't think Izzy would be interested.
Excuse me.
Do you think horror games like Puppy Playtime are appropriate for seven-year-olds?
I honestly, I'd say the first Poppy Playtime game, definitely.
We played some of that.
I didn't think it was that bad.
You didn't know the lore.
But 2 and 3 have gotten, 3 especially, I would not say 3 is appropriate.
I'd say you have to be 8 or 9 probably.
Again, it also depends on the maturity, and it's one thing if you're, sorry to interrupt, go ahead.
No, you go.
Well, I was going to say, so if you play something with your kids, you know, you can play it together.
Like we played Ploppy Playtime together and you can see, is it okay or not?
You can read up on it.
You can play a little bit of it yourself.
Yeah, but these kids don't play it with their parents.
No, no, but I mean, that's what I'm saying.
Like when I was in DeHore, I kept it like locked in the vault that I was in.
No, but you didn't play the games.
You just saw some commentary, right?
No, I watched playthroughs without any dialogue.
To me, watching a playthrough is very different from playing it yourself.
No, but I don't think so, because in Poppy Playtime 3, there's parts where it's very torture and stuff like that.
And you've seen those playthroughs as well?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
But, um, again, it's still, it's still like a kid's game.
I'd say like 10 and up for Poppy Playtime 3.
Again, Torture?
That doesn't seem right for kids.
It's not exactly torture.
That's what I just said!
It's a, I don't know.
It's like, for me, at the age of seven, I would have been fine with Poppy Playtime.
Like even the later ones?
Yeah.
Okay.
For me, but I can think of a lot of kids that I knew when I was seven who would not be okay with that.
But what so what happens in the like what what kind of torture?
I'd say the bad part.
There's this character.
It's a toy.
Yeah.
And these toys they they're like humans in a toy body kind of its name is dog day and basically there's a scene where he is.
His legs have been cut off, basically, and he's, like, strung up by one of the other characters.
So that would be, like, the thing, probably.
Man, I think at 15 that's not the end of the world, but yeah, for younger kids.
It's, like, a cartoony-looking game.
Yeah, but it's not good, right?
Okay, so, let's see here... You played Poppy Paytime with your X7, right?
No.
No, no, no, she...
And she also just watched the videos for the most part.
No, no, Poppy Playtime's relatively new.
I know the third game.
Because you can't buy games.
No, I can't.
Right.
So because it's not like you can just enter your own credit card, buy games.
So you watch some playthroughs.
And again, I think the playthroughs are very different because there's people commenting and you're not yourself.
I watch the playthroughs mainly for like the YouTubers who I enjoy watching and stuff like that.
Yeah, like they have good commentary.
They're funny and that kind of stuff, right?
Yeah.
All right.
I don't know what that question means.
What is it?
Oh, uh, how to achieve the life they want.
I don't know what that means.
Oh.
Uh, gauge earrings for Steph?
Definitely.
Big ol' hoops in your earlobes.
Oh, is that like the... Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm hobo maxing right now.
Please do not hobo max.
What is hobo maxing?
That is not a good max.
Do not hobo max.
Do not hobo max.
At least... Is that Jared's wardrobe?
Come on, man, do like rich maxing or something, but don't hobo max.
Circumstantially, yeah.
Okay, should I look up hobo maxing?
I mean literally, just say anything with the word maxing next to it and it just means you're doing the most you can to achieve it.
Being a hobo.
Yeah.
Alrighty, got it.
Like right now I would be awesome maxing because I'm just so much better than everyone.
No, I'm kidding.
I'm taking that for my D&D character that we made.
Alright.
How to put into words what happened to Disney.
I mean, it's the usual thing when something gets influential and powerful, a lot of questionable people move in to promote their own agenda and they pillage the previous success.
I mean, I think universities and colleges are doing that right now that in the past only 10% of people went to university.
So you could assume you get the top 10% of intelligence and of course IQ tests are banned.
So you've got to have this big giant proxy for IQ tests called the college degree.
And they're coasting on their prior reputations while pillaging them.
It's like a guy who used to be responsible and has a good credit score, just borrowing a bunch of money, coasting on his past credit score, and he's going to go bankrupt.
How long can that last, though?
You would think that ship has sailed.
No, but it's now, the propaganda to go to university is huge for kids.
I mean, maybe it's peaked a little in the past.
No, it's crazy.
Even in my group, that's pretty, like, very Republican.
It's still kind of like, I ask them, do you think you'll go to college?
And they're like, I don't know.
I mean, you kind of have to.
And I'm like, no, you don't!
Yikes!
Right, right.
I was pretty strong when I was in high school as well.
Yeah.
Did he ever watch old school legacy media TV?
I don't think we did.
Like what would an example be?
The original MTV?
Legacy Media TV?
No, no, no, this would be like...
Um, uh, Little House on the Prairie or, you know, like old, old TV, like old, old TV stuff, I assume.
Like black and white or?
Like gun smoke?
Could be black and white, that kind of stuff.
I've never found those kind of movies appealing, just the way they're written.
You find them kind of cringe, right?
Very cringe.
Yeah, yeah.
Man, if it doesn't have seven Avengers fighting over stuff and like CGI with like stuff blowing up.
I love that meme of like,
This average superhero, we saved the city!
And the city is just like a huge crater of everything being destroyed.
It's like, man, every time these superheroes are around, there's always havoc being like everywhere.
Is war play or violent play just intrinsic to boys' development or due to indoctrination?
When I was a kid, my mother was anti-military, anti-cop, and anti-gun.
She would not let me have any war toys or guns, so I stuck to Lego and would build pistols, AK-47 tanks, planes, and little armies and let war
Rage across the Lego table.
You know, I'm not sure that's just boys.
I know when I was younger, when I'd go to McDonald's and stuff, I'd sometimes get, like, Transformer toys, or, like, guys with, like, guns and stuff, and I'd definitely play with those.
But my big thing was, like, dragons.
I'd love finding dragon figurines to buy and stuff.
You had whole stories that you'd make up with your dragons, right?
Yeah, like, some of these would be, like, epic, like, seven-day stories.
Yeah, yeah.
But, um...
Yeah, so I definitely think there's a lot of it with girls and boys, very instinctual for like, yeah, just didn't like war and fighting because I know for girls again, it's a lot more like story.
So I didn't have like war in my stories.
It was more like, like, social stuff, which is a very
Look, there's, there's, there's combat in everything.
Yeah.
I mean, there's combat in everything.
I mean, you have to combat your own fears.
I mean, we're trying to fight to get audience share from other shows and it says combat and everything.
You might as well practice when you're young.
Cause it's either practice when you're young or you're thrown in the deep end when you get older without practice.
And that's no good.
Yeah.
Life gets very serious and you got to play first.
And you're going to have a lot of conflicts and negotiation to do in life.
And so do it in the safest circumstance where it's play.
Yeah.
Right, right.
Get an imaginary girlfriend, it's about as bad an advice as sucking a rock if you're thirsty.
That's a reference to my own father.
And the other thing too, is that all creatures that are young practice combat.
Like certainly mammals, right?
I mean, lions do, hyenas do, even mice do, they play fight with each other and so on.
So the practice of combat, puppies do, are normal.
Sorry for the way I worded that, I meant just regular cable TV with commercials.
Gosh, commercials, what are they?
The original unskippable ad.
Has Izzy ever gone to a war history museum?
Yeah, we did once.
It was like, um... Yeah, in Florida, right?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, we went and we saw there was a B-52 that had been dragged out of a swamp.
We got to go in an airplane and yeah, it was really neat.
For me though, it's again, for me, this could just be a girl thing, not my thing.
I was like, it was kind of cool, but you know, after like 10 minutes, I'm like, okay.
Well, no, the problem was it was ten minutes of explanation per plane for me.
No, but, oh, the plane one.
Don't get me started on the plane one.
I hated the plane one.
I thought the War Museum, there was cool stuff, but for me it would be, again, like, walk through, be out in fifteen minutes instead of, like, two hours.
And, again, it's just not my thing.
It's just one of those things where someone starts explaining, like, the history of the play you're all... You know, I'm like, I don't mind, I'll walk back, I'll look at some cool guns, but it's like, I don't really, like, it's not my thing.
Maybe when I'm older, but, um, yeah.
Steph, I'm just halfway through listening to the 10-year-old 300-pound caller.
I'm incredibly impressed with your patience and perseverance through the time delay and the call of fighting his internal parents.
Yeah, I mean, I get praise a lot for my patience, mostly from... Yeah, totally, that's not true.
No, I do get praise a lot, but for me, it's like if you're out hiking and you come across someone who's trapped under a tree and it's really hard to move the tree, do you just like, eh?
Off I go.
Sorry, I gave it a shot.
It was a little tough.
I'm off, right?
But no, because in my brain would be the burning vision of this guy still trapped under a log.
You said to give me a calling!
Where are you?
Well, and I also put myself in the position of, if I was trapped under a log, and I wouldn't want someone to give up, right?
Can you imagine?
Imagine, like, you're trapped in some car, and they bring the Jaws of Life, and it doesn't work too well, and they're like, all right, well... We tried.
Yeah, we're out.
My shift over and you're like you're in the car and smelling gasoline and praying there's no spark right so for me.
I think everyone's been in the position where you just kind of defensive about something could be anything right it just happens it's like a kind of weird possession and so for me giving up on someone.
Yeah.
A, it's admitting defeat.
Really don't like to do.
I can only think of one call then, which never got released.
It's one call in the last 18 years that I just say, I'm out.
I'm tapping out.
I can't do it.
And it was a woman who was just absolutely brutal in her defenses.
I worked on it for an hour and a half, made no progress.
Then you just got to tap out, right?
Because then it's like,
If, if, if some, here's the thing too, like if, if you're trying to lift the log off someone and they keep stabbing you in the leg, it's like, okay, good luck with the log if I get out.
Right.
So for me, it's not really a matter of patience.
It's really just putting myself in the other person's shoes.
We've all been super defensive and trying to be patient with someone and help them over that.
Because I also know this too, and maybe this is a bit grandiose on my part, but Hey, what else is new?
But for me, it's also like, I view these call-in shows as one shot for someone.
Like when are they going to have, and I used to say this in the call-in shows, like, you're never going to have another opportunity like this.
You're never going to have somebody who's, you know, kind of skilled in philosophy, who's going to be willing and able to unpack your defenses and put you in a different direction if you want in life.
It's a one-shot thing.
And then tomorrow you get to go back to talking about sports and weather.
Yeah.
Right.
And the latest movie.
And like, so for me, it's like, it's a, it's a one-shot deal.
That's once in a lifetime.
Right.
I remember, so when I was in therapy.
My therapist recommended that I watch a show, it was actually made into a movie with Mel Gibson, but it's a really old show, about a guy who just has psychological problems and his relationship with his therapist.
And his therapist is basically like, at one point she says, when he's about to have a breakthrough, she says, it's now or never.
And I remember getting real goosebumps at that idea, that when it comes to sort of personal growth, it's now or never.
Like the idea that if you choose the never,
Doesn't come back.
You know, cause we keep thinking that there's all these, Oh, I'll just take the next opportunity.
And I, I have a tough time saying no to opportunities because for me, I know how rare they are.
Like for me to start my business, even for me to sort of break out on this kind of show is really not common.
You know, when I met my wife, I'm like, no, I'm not going to wait for someone better to come along.
Right.
So for me, it's like, you know, seize the day, take the opportunity.
And I really feel that this is the one time that somebody can change their life if they want.
And the fact that they're calling me, but there's nobody else who's doing it for them.
There's nobody else in their life who's willing to have these conversations with them.
That's why they're calling me.
So I'm like last stop.
Last stop to never.
Like I'm the last catcher in the rye, right?
The last to divert people off the cliff.
I'm the last port of call to, I'm never going to change.
So I,
I feel like, like a surgeon working on his wife.
Like, when do you give up?
You don't, right?
So, uh, for me, it's not just a matter of patience.
It's just a matter of if I had only one chance to change my life, I'd want, and I was really fighting it, or rather my inner demons were fighting it.
I want that person to work on me as long as possible.
You know, like you, you don't want the, you don't want the doctor to give up.
Ah, you know, skipped a couple of heartbeats, forget it, right?
You want them to fight.
And don't we all kind of admire those people who just, like, you know, it's kind of a cliched scene in a hospital, the guy just keeps working on, keeps working on, and you know, sometimes they come back, right?
So, yeah, for me, it's not just, it's not really a matter of patience, it's a matter of
What is another hour out of my life versus philosophy could really change someone's life.
And how many times has it?
And it does if people want it.
I mean, it certainly did for me.
And it has.
I get messages all the time that this kind of stuff.
So the Kennedy Space Center was all right when I went some years ago.
Yeah, we've been to that.
Oh, yeah, that was cool.
I like that.
Yeah.
I like the bit with rockets.
What do you like about the Space Center?
Um, I thought it was cool.
I find spaceships and stuff more cool than like war history and stuff like that.
So I thought they had some really cool explanations about what's going on.
I think you tapped out with the guy who thought he was being gang stalked.
Oh, that was the Indian guy who heard some sounds in his cupboard and thought that the government was watching him.
Yeah, I may have tapped out with that guy.
All right.
What are Jared and James's favorite bands slash music artists?
Present company not accepted karaoke.
Anyway, yeah, go for it.
I've got a conflicted, I was talking about this earlier with Dune, like I've got a conflicted relationship with the music I grew up with, because at some point, like I become a less traumatized, more conscious person, like his stuff is kind of dark.
Yeah, I probably liked Faith No More the most growing up, but then I found some songs that are just,
Well, like Epstein asked, like, ooh.
From that band?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
And so, yeah, like, that's probably the big band they come, it was just bands they were asking about, right?
Or was there anything else?
Bands or music.
Bands or music, that's probably one.
And Smashing Pumpkins, listen to them.
Figaro!
Oh gosh, it's maddening!
I'd like to listen to the Barber of Seville and try to sing along to that.
It's an Italian opera for people who don't know.
And James, what you got?
I think actually Jared's asked me this question a bunch of times and I have...
I don't know if it's an interesting relationship with music.
It's more like, there's sometimes, I don't listen to a lot of music in general.
And I kind of grew up playing and performing a lot of music, although not like writing my own or anything like that.
Also, living on the piano and stuff and sort of, you know, I was singing along this morning.
From keyboard to keyboard, the story.
Yeah, yeah.
I got a decent singing voice and I was sort of just making up my own tune.
But I don't, like, compose music or anything like that.
I've tried, but it's actually kind of rough.
Anyway, but, I mean, I've liked stuff, like, from the 80s, 70s, 90s, but kind of like Jared, although not maybe as strongly.
It's like, yeah, if I start to find myself singing a song, I'm like, ew, I don't think I want to sing that, those actual lyrics, you know?
And stuff like hair metal stuff, it's like, it's like all about, you know, just promiscuity, or just drugs, or just,
It just rank hedonism and, you know, I've done enough of that in my life with being like 250 odd pounds and then it's like, you know what, let's pull back on that, pump the brakes on hedonism stuff.
When you've corrected that having been 250, you're not bad now.
I'm well on my way to being a healthy, a very healthy weight, just about to 15, 20 pounds away.
And I'd like to add, like, recognizing that about my taste and aesthetics, I'm using this stuff, I've tried to heal that on myself and like, I do find a lot of good...
Opera, classical music, things like that are really good.
And some great 80s, like, you know, take on me.
Yeah, that's kind of a love song.
Sorry, can you just keep going with that?
Take on me.
No, no, it gets higher.
Take me on.
I'll be.
Oh.
Oh.
Okay, now.
R.I.P.
headphone users.
That was a mosquito ringtone, I think, right?
I didn't hear anything.
The doorbells are a good example of, like, the most healthy of layers of software, but there's a line where I'm like, I'm just gonna let myself sit on a wall and like... Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Don't judge it, just experience it.
It's just, it's just, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, right.
Izzy, did you want to throw in any musical tastes?
No.
JT Music?
No.
Oh, come on.
I'm supposed to be the philosophy child with 80s.
80s influences.
Not happened.
All right.
All I will say is that I hate pop music.
That's all I'll say.
Right.
And I can't say I like 80s music either.
No, you can't.
And I can't.
I just I can't.
I can't even lie.
Country music.
That's the thing.
You know, there are some good country songs.
It's just that every country song sounds the same as the other one.
I kiss my darling with my fist.
I have a beard and a green shirt.
Get your tongue out of my mouth.
I'm sorry, did you say I kissed my darling with my fist?
James, why would you say such a thing?
What?
You heard, everybody.
I don't do confessions that well.
So for me, it's like, oh, I heard a country song.
I heard a country song, and they don't have much variation.
But yeah, okay, I do love JT Music.
It's my favorite band or artist.
She's totally Swiftie, folks.
I grew up with country music, and that's one of the things that conflicted me about that as well.
It's supposed to be a little more conservative, more better values.
You go back and listen to some of those later, and it's absolutely monstrous!
It does not promote healthy male-female relations.
And that's coming from the ostensible conservative Republican salt of the earth!
Somebody says that mogging does include
Plastic surgery, got a nose job from Marking.
And also that Marking is male.
Marking is also a big thing because most of the young women these days appear to be drawn towards the top 10% of looks guys.
And given that Jared James and I are the top 9.9%, that's only 0.1% for all of the other women.
So that obviously is very, very tough.
I mean, again, doesn't matter how many saw movies.
No, I'm kidding.
I'm not like that by the way.
There's a jaw to saw ratio.
Exactly.
Like the crazy hot matrix.
It always amazes me that when I share some of the insights that I've been able to get from you with good therapists and they seem extremely interested.
It's not a good sign when the therapist is like, yeah, tell me more.
That seems very effective.
Duke Ellington and Willie Nelson might be my favorite music artists.
I never got much into Willie Nelson.
He's all about the weed.
Well, he's all about the weed, but he does fight with the RS.
But also, I'm a singing guy, which means I care most about the voice.
And Willie Nelson has just not got a great voice.
I mean, it's a Johnny Cash barrier.
Like the fact that he says, I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.
You know, OK, that's... That's also like not a very creative lyric.
Like, OK.
So I just... If the singing isn't great, I just can't really get into it.
And I, unfortunately, I have a bit of a fetish for singers way too high for me.
Mmm.
Just, you know, like, like the, the, the Sting, the Freddie Mercury's, the John Anderson's, like the guys who are tenors and countertenors.
Embrace my... The Bibley Joel's.
No, but I'm a baritone, and there just aren't baritones in pop anymore.
They just aren't.
It's all tenors, and that's partly because the higher voices are needed to be amplified over the band, and higher voices are easy to amplify over a band music and a bass is not, or a baritone.
What would have been the last popular baritone?
I mean, maybe Billy Idol, or that guy from Lighthouse Family, or... Oh, there was a guy... Superman never made any money, saving the world from Solomon Grundy.
Sorry?
No, he's a tenor.
He just starts off lower, but he goes real high.
Even Billy Idol's songs go pretty high.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, he's got a great yell.
Yeah, yeah, that's what it is.
Oh, um, hey little sister, what have you done?
Yeah, yeah.
And that's all fun and games until start again, like that really high.
Yeah.
Um, so Duke Ellington, I love the big band stuff myself, a good scat.
You got Ella Fitzgerald and, and the, the greats.
I liked Louis Armstrong, even though it was a very unusual voice.
Uh, so I, I love the big band stuff.
Willie Nelson, uh, he, he wrote actually a song I really love always on my mind.
Believe it or not, the Pet Shop Boys did a really good version of that, as did Chris De Burgh did a great cover of that, oddly enough.
It's a really lovely, very pretty song.
You never answered the question, what is James and what is that?
Galbarauds.
Galbarauds.
What is under my name?
That's your next D&D character name.
Galbaraud.
Galbaraud.
I don't think stroke maxing Jared's name is the way to go.
Oh my gosh, I'm never teaching you a Gen Z thing again.
Listen, just because I'm British,
Yeah, it was lovely.
Be careful, I buy.
All right.
Okay, hysteria.
All right, so James... Okay, just look at the last show.
They explained it there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right.
Let's see here.
Are they asking our function in the organization?
What is your function?
What is your function?
Overture of the Barber of Seville.
Is that the one?
What's that?
Yeah, Overture of the Barber of Seville is very famous.
I haven't seen a play that was...
The older I get the more I appreciate classic music.
I don't know if that means classic rock or classical.
Probably classical.
What Hall and Oates songs do you like?
Hall and Oates?
Hall and Oates.
You know this one Izzy.
You're a rich girl and you've gone too far, but you know it don't matter anyway.
Yeah, that's a good song.
What else?
The Maneater's okay.
Uh, now Daryl Hall, who's like the blonde singer from there, uh, he, he's got really good, he's got a Daryl's House or something like that.
It's a YouTube channel where he brings in lots of famous musicians and they do either that original song or they do covers.
They have a really great version of Papa Was a Rolling Stone, which is great.
And the guy, the black drummer, he's just got amazing vocals in that.
He also has the guy, I think you're crazy.
I think you're crazy.
Oh, CeeLo Green?
CeeLo Green, yeah.
Who?
Melanie Martin.
Oh yeah.
I love that song.
That's great.
Great lyrics in that song, by the way.
And, and our CeeLo Green, Daryl Hall is like, yeah, he's like, I wrote that song that CeeLo Green is like, ah, such a good song.
And it is a fantastic song.
So he's got, that's basically what he's doing because he's not touring, I guess, or, or whatever.
He's also pretty old now too, but he, um, he just gets these musicians to come in and they just do great covers and original songs that they've ever written.
Really, really good stuff.
So yeah, dance on your knees!
My brother was really into the hole and outs scene.
Alright, do you like Daft Punk?
I like some electronic music and Daft Punk's one of them.
It's like half robotic electronic stuff, isn't it?
I'm sure you've heard it in me.
Oh yeah, I've heard a lot.
Different artists have butchered it in one way or another.
Yeah, true.
Lighthouse family had a baritone.
When you're close to tears, remember what's ahead is a different color.
One day we're going to get so high.
So he has this sort of baritone kind of thing, and it's actually possible to sing along without like twisting your knickers.
So, so that's good.
All right.
Let's see here.
What are knickers?
Underpants.
All right.
What else have we got coming in here?
I'm trying to think, because I used to listen to Summer Hall of Fame.
I figured out Jared's function.
What?
Ambience.
Ambient music and the occasion of bird sounds.
I was outside.
I'm genuinely like, why are the birds out?
Like, it's not summer.
It's winter.
Why are the birds out?
And, nope, just Jared.
I do make, yeah.
Yeah, lots of ambiance.
We always know where he is.
We always know what's going on.
Whenever we play Among Us Online or something like that, you know if he's dead because you don't hear the... Jared comes with his own soundtrack.
There's someone who's wallowing in the negative aspect of something and it's, it's self-determining or what's the right phrase?
Look, here's the thing.
So the way that, sorry, here's the thing.
Like this is some definitive thing.
This is my, my sort of approach.
So getting the truth is like diving off a cliff.
Like you got to go deep and you go deep and for a while it doesn't feel like you're ever going to get back to the surface, but you've got to get back to the surface.
You've got to find some way to balance out the light and the dark.
So people without any dark are idiots, right?
They're just dumpty-dum, right?
And they don't have any sense of evil.
They don't have any sense of danger.
They have nothing to be wary of.
Nothing to be afraid of.
Everything's fine.
Anybody who's scared is just phobic and weird.
And this is a left-right thing.
The right is more prone to concern about danger, and the left are just dumpty-dum.
You know, everyone's welcome.
Everything's great.
Except for those bigots or whatever, right?
That too light is what we call Pollyanna, which is just like, everything's great.
We live in the best of all possible worlds.
Nothing bad could happen.
There are no malevolent people.
There are just people who are misunderstood.
And, you know, if we're just nice to criminals, they'll be nice back.
Like just all that kind of stuff.
Right.
So that's.
That's no good, because that's just too optimistic without any realism.
There are definitely evil people in the world.
The majority of criminals cannot be reformed.
Maybe they can become less criminal, maybe they can become vaguely functional members of society, but you can't make them into good people.
Again, there's exceptions.
Some of the most dangerous criminals are not.
Oh yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
So that to me, and that's just data.
I'm just data driven that way.
Recidivism rates are 80% for criminals, even with, and that's the people who get caught, right?
The people who don't get caught, they have even more incentive to keep going.
And the people who are in charge, who are sometimes criminals, they have even more incentive to keep going.
Yes, there's absolutely criminality.
I mean, if you doubt about that, then think of counterfeiting and the Fed, right?
They just print whatever money they want, steal from everyone.
So, there's definitely dangerous criminals in the world.
The people who block the peace accords in Ukraine, you could kind of go on and on, right?
There really are dangerous, toxic people in the world who...
What would a half burn the world down rather than blink or sweat so that's real but there's also a great wonderful good people in the world this is virtue this beauty this is wonder there's this amazing stuff right.
And so to me, the black pill is you just keep swimming down and you'll drown down there because it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
All the world is terrible.
Everyone's corrupt.
That's going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
If you're going to go out for the truth, get it, find it, have it, there's a liberating element to that as well.
Like, cool, I'm not going to have these evil people in my life.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
But if you think that, like, if you think,
Sorry, I totally interrupted you.
No, no, but if you don't want to get rid of the evil people, yeah, you're going to stay around the deep end, you know, till it's too late.
It's like there's this podcast, and I don't mean to pick on podcasters, but it's just something that shows up occasionally in my feed.
It's called Whatever.
Yes.
Who's the most famous person from Whatever?
Gorlock the Destroyer!
Gorlock the Destroyer.
What on earth is that?
Look it up.
It's almost more than you can... I don't even know what it is, but it is something.
It is a creature of different genders.
I don't know what's going on with that.
I've not looked into it, but it's a little unusual.
So the Whatever Podcast has these very shallow, odd girls who are just milking their looks.
Most of them are only fans.
Yeah, they're milking their looks, and it's all about, like, male-female manipulation dynamics, and this, that, and the other, and I'm like, okay, well, if you're gonna say that that's somehow the essence of femininity, then you're just gonna be without love for the rest of your life, and that's just too high a price to pay.
I think.
Yeah, he saw the Gorlock the Destroyer picture.
Oh, right.
I have heard of this one before.
Yeah.
Oh, it's a visual.
Sorry, somebody says, there's a bunch of stats that I can think that I can link if asked that shows that better looking people get better jobs, faster promotions, lighter prison sentences, higher income, and many other perks.
Right.
There's no question that better looking people have an advantage in certain material ways.
What you have the black pill is thinking that unfair unjust and that's.
The only benefit that matters in this world yes it is absolutely true better looking people taller people have an easier ride through life.
What you're the black pill is thinking that you're worse off because you have a tougher time and yes i think black bill i think what a lot of people do with black bill is they take.
We're good to go.
Yeah, look, the people who are sailing through life on heights and looks also have a certain lack of depth.
They don't understand their own ease.
They have trouble with empathy because deep down they know that they're having this unjust benefit.
Or you could say unfair, but there's no fairness because people are going to be different height and different looks.
So, you know, like,
Guys who were short look at guys who are tall and say, resent.
They resent it.
Right.
But so like I saw, I had friends who had the most amazing heads of hair when I was younger.
Right.
And you knew you could see their dads and their moms.
You knew they were going to keep that hair forever.
It hung beautifully.
I remember working with a guy up north.
We threw him into a pond.
I actually use this in my novel almost.
We threw him into a pond.
He had the most beautiful blonde hair.
We threw him into a pond.
He came out.
The hair dried perfectly.
From pond water!
Pond water!
Right, right.
Dude, I gotta be completely honest.
I kind of have the hair drying nicely.
You do.
I love it.
A long time ago in the summer I was swimming with a bunch of like friends and a lot of the girls were there and you know I went in the water and got my hair wet and they were kind of hesitant too but you know we all went in you know swam and got our hairs wet.
For me, I have really thick hair.
Or not really thick, it's pretty thick.
And it's not like mom levels of thick, but it's pretty thick hair.
And, you know, half hour it was pretty dry.
And shiny again.
And it dried pretty straight.
And all these other girls were like braiding it and stuff to make sure it would dry the right way.
And they were just saying, it's so unfair, like your hair and stuff, I remember that.
So, so yeah, these, these guys, they sail through life and you think, oh, they have it so easy.
And it's like, but look deep.
Do they feel loved if there's that handsome?
It's really hard to feel loved if you're that handsome.
It's the same thing with girls.
If you're that pretty.
Is the guy with you for your personality or for your looks?
So there's a, there's a price for this ease.
That's what people don't understand.
That's the black pill is not looking at the unseen, which is the fact.
That's what I was trying to say.
Like it's, it's, it's like a depressed, selfish way of looking at life.
That's black pill I think.
The only thing that matters is the looks and the ease you get from it rather than the downside.
It's like the kids who are born really wealthy and spend lots of money on parties for their friends.
They feel lonely because they don't know if people are there for the money or themselves.
So there's the downside to all of these advantages.
And if you don't see that, you're blackmailed.
Sorry, Jay.
You're handsome, man.
How many times did someone try to corrupt you or try to seduce you to get their way, get their stuff done?
It definitely happened a couple of times.
And even my success, you say, oh, Steph was very successful.
And for a while I was, you know, top of the heap as far as alternative social media went.
And with that success comes attacks and de-platforming and all this.
So it's, it's.
To say like, so, and it's funny thing is.
To look at the positive without acknowledging that there's some negatives that come with it.
Work with the negative.
So if you say like, so I started losing my hair in my twenties.
So I'm like, okay, I'm going to work out.
Like because I'm not going to be bald and overweight or bald and saggy or whatever it is.
Right.
So, so the upside and a lot of my friends who have great hair got chubby later in life because they already have great hair.
They don't.
So you just, you've got to try and find a way to ninja that stuff.
Into a positive, you know, de-platforming.
I didn't do a positive.
I worked on books.
I'm doing the kind of shows that are the most satisfying for me and for the future.
And I don't have any obligation to help out in the political world anymore because of the lack of allies and support when I was de-platformed.
So
Just looking and saying it's so unfair that there are people who are taller and better looking.
But here's the thing too, man.
If you base your perspective on who has it better than you, you get about five minutes of happiness over the course of your entire life.
You know why?
Because the tall guys get old.
And then there are younger guys who are better looking coming along.
Like, if you're a woman and you get into your looks, okay, great.
You hit 40, your looks start to fade, and now there's just someone new coming along who's younger and prettier, and now you resent them!
So, it's terrible.
Don't do it.
Focus on your own virtues.
Focus on what you can achieve that's gonna be good.
Stop comparing yourself to other people as a way of putting yourself down.
It's such a hole with no bottom.
I have no patience with it.
Haven't you always, like, seen, like, this, like,
Idiot, short, fat guys with like rather attractive women.
Yeah.
So it doesn't hold some people back!
So this might just be a, you know, random, random, non-actual, non-actual comparison.
But the thought that occurred to me was, you know, how women, it's not all women of course, or sorry, it's not specific to women.
Where they're like, you give them a bunch of stats, and it's like, I know a tall Chinese man.
Whereas Blackpill, I don't know, I think it's a pretty, fairly male thing.
You know, I don't know, it's not just specifically male, but... I don't think, I can't think of really any women who are like Blackpill.
I'm going to ask you again.
So yeah, that's a fair... No, they're Blackpill, but they're older.
Okay, well... No, they're like 50 and single.
No fertility, no kids, no husband.
So they're on Blackpill, they're gaslighting.
They gaslight themselves into thinking, oh, I did everything right.
You know, it's good.
The patriarchy and society.
Because the black pill is very much looking into statistics and finding it a way to make themselves seem better than others.
Right.
Whereas I think the women, from what I've seen, who are like in their fifties and realize they messed up their lives by not getting married and having kids and stuff like that, is when they look at it and they're like, oh, you know, society ruined me.
I was lied to.
It's their fault kind of thing.
Steph, I agree with you that there may be a price for being good looking, but won't you agree that it's better than being ugly?
The price of being ugly is always swimming against the current.
No, it's only swimming against the current.
If you hold physical beauty as your standard of value, right?
It's moral beauty that counts in the long run.
And for the, I absolutely agree with you for the first half of life, the good looking, tall people have a pretty easy time of it, but you check in with them when they're 60 or 70.
Yeah.
And because some women married them for their looks and then divorced them when they got older, and they've based their personality on the unearned.
Not all of them, but some of them do.
They base their personality on the unearned.
That drains away, and they end up with nothing, or less than nothing.
They end up with a void, with a negative.
Whereas the people who have to build up their personalities from nothing, from a negative, they get to build that all the way through their life.
Do not fall prey to resentment of accidents because you think if other people are accidentally lucky that they're doing great and having a wonderful time and you're just stuck and it's going to be bad and negative and lonely.
Oh my God, it's just an accident.
Some people are taller.
When I was younger, I would have killed to have a better singing voice.
Thank goodness I didn't because philosophy is way more important than being a singer.
Right?
So just because you're not getting what you want, don't rage quit life because you happen to have not gotten everything you wanted or you think other people have it so easy because they got what they wanted.
My God.
Marilyn Monroe, Elvis Presley.
These people were rich, famous, talented, beautiful.
I wouldn't want their lives.
And would you want their lives?
Look, Jim Morrison was considered one of the most beautiful men of the sixties and he died a semi fat pig like Elvis in misery.
My God, just focus on your own virtues.
Resentment makes you ugly.
And that's a choice.
Like you don't have a choice about how tall you are.
You have a choice about whether resentment.
Befouls your soul and turns you into a negative person that no one wants to be around.
Stop it.
It's just wretched.
Treasure the gifts that you're given and stop presenting other people for things that look like gifts but are sometimes curses.
Sorry, go ahead.
If you're a beautiful person, there's evil people all around that want to get there, slide their hand like a puppet into you, and have you be their fan.
How much fun is Kanye West having these days?
I mean, the guy was a billionaire, right?
So yeah, it's it's don't don't do it.
And there's a bright side that if you're in competition with beautiful people, be like, cool, they're going to rest on their laurels.
I can develop in these other places and ways.
And like it's like health is attractive if you're not necessarily like aesthetically the best in the face.
But if you go work out and get strong and healthy, that is and will be attractive.
Yeah.
Well, remember when I saw that meme of the guy who was funny looking and he's like, get some sun, they said.
Go to the gym, they said.
Do this, have you seen that?
And he just ends up like a funny looking guy with abs.
No, but he looked so much better.
Yeah, he did.
He did look better.
Yeah, for sure.
And also, they were saying like comparing it to this other guy who had professional lighting, professional camera.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He probably dehydrated himself for a few days so his muscles would shine and stuff like that.
That was that guy's glow up, right?
Yeah.
He just took a selfie in his kitchen.
Right?
Or whatever it was.
If someone took a- I remember he was at the din- maybe it was in a selfie, I think someone took a picture of him at night time under your dining room kitchen light.
Right?
So that was that glow up.
So no, I do think, okay, you know, maybe you're short.
Maybe you, like, got bald really young or something like that.
Maybe you're overweight.
Okay, lose weight, you know, get tanned, eat better, just do a lot, and there's a lot you can do to look better.
Right.
Somebody says, I've seen so many self-proclaimed incels that look fine, but they won't shut up about looks.
I just find myself screaming, go out, touch grass, cut down a tree and build something you insufferable moron.
Yeah, I find the touch grass thing I find kind of annoying because it's just such a cliche.
But if you think you're less because you happen to not be handsome or pretty, you're right.
You can go through all of life thinking that you're less.
Who's going to argue with you?
Like when you have parents who care about you, they'll try and talk you out of your bad choices.
Welcome to adulthood.
Nobody cares if you hate yourself.
Nobody cares.
Nobody's going to step in.
Nobody's going to intervene.
Nobody's going to come between you and the black sun that's drawing your essence into its heart and destroying you.
Go self-destruct.
You want to live in your basement?
You want to just be bitter about people taller and better looking than you?
Nobody's going to step in to intervene.
It's absolutely up to you to find the joy in yourself.
Because what you're saying is only the top 5% of people can ever be happy.
And you're just miserable because you're everyone else.
No, absolutely not.
That's a choice.
I have no patience for people who do that and who think, well, there are better looking people in my life, so I'm doomed to misery.
It's like, OK, then you're doomed to misery.
But it's not because of looks.
It's because of your choice about what you focus on.
And you're focusing on things that you did not earn, things that other people did not earn.
Good luck, bad luck, genes, who cares, doesn't matter.
You focus on building your own virtues and the idea that you would be cowed down by looks is fundamentally satanic.
It's saying that the physical is all that matters.
Okay, the physical is all that matters to shallow people.
Oh, great.
You could be good looking and be just completely surrounded by shallow people who want to exploit your looks for the rest of time.
Great.
Good job.
Excellent.
What a fantastic life.
Go live
I mean, you see these videos of this old now, the woman who was walking around New York constantly harassed by guys?
Right?
You want that life?
You can't go anywhere?
Michael Jackson hired out an entire supermarket for a day so that he could have the experience of shopping in a supermarket which he'd never had.
Freddie Mercury was trapped in his hotel room, wrote a whole song called Living On My Own, how lonely he was because he couldn't go out anywhere in the world.
He was quote-unquote loved by so many people.
Yeah, so many people.
So, I don't know, just everyone's having fun but me.
It's just rank self-pity and the really sad thing is nobody's going to intervene.
That's how your life is going to be.
That's one of the things I like about the Nathaniel Brandon Iron Man stuff.
There is a good strong message there.
Nobody's coming to see.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, that's the, the famous thing that he said, like he would say to his patients, his group, nobody's coming to save you.
And I say, you came and he said, yes.
And I came to tell you that nobody's coming to save you.
Yeah.
Nobody's, nobody's going to get between you and your black pill.
You want to take that black pill?
That's going to be your life.
He's like, okay, I came, but I'm only this far.
I'm not stepping in to run your life for you.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Oh yeah.
So, um, that, that really, it really bothers me because everyone's tempted by that and you've just got to resist that temptation.
It's, it's demonic to think that only the flesh matters.
But I'm not hopping in the water with you cause you're going to take me down too.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
And what happens is the black pill spreads because you're, you're full of such despair and negativity.
People will come and try and help you from time to time and just drive them away.
Yeah.
It's horrible.
All right.
You know, uh, brain damage, uh, happens.
Sorry, this came to mind because it happens like, this is like a social example of that.
The way brain damage occurs is that, uh, a brain cell dies and then releases all of its neuro neurotransmitters.
This excites the surrounding neurons to where the point to where they die, they release their neurotransmitters and it excites the, so it's a chain reaction of like, it goes on and on.
And that's how you can have this one injury in one place that results in like regional or large scale, like brain death.
You know, I was just thinking of that happening on a social level where you get the black pill that gets in and it's just, you take down the next person.
The black pill is an excuse for failure.
I can't get ahead.
I'm not tall enough.
I'm not good looking enough.
I'm not this.
I'm not, I'm, I'm, I didn't inherit the money.
And Hey, if you don't want to succeed, that's fine.
Just be honest, look in the mirror and say, I don't want to apply effort.
You know, I prefer video games to success.
Right?
I prefer not having a girlfriend to having a girlfriend.
Okay, fine.
Just say, I don't want to try.
I'm kind of lazy.
I'm just going to bumble through life and all of that.
But people have to set up these weird mental structures where I'm just wise at not trying because it's impossible for sure.
Oh God, just forget it.
Just be a failure, be a loser and make that choice.
But don't sit there and say it's because, well, women are just so shallow.
Go out there and be a leader for heaven's sakes.
Anyway.
Yeah, like Arlo.
I wrote two beautiful people, although Arlo, I think, was more handsome than Rachel was beautiful.
It was rather tough for them, weren't they?
Well, he died like a dog, right?
All right.
Well, and then Rachel, who escapes that, like... Yes, yes.
Well, Rachel treats herself with a piece of meat and then so do the dogs, and that's what scares her out of the flesh, right?
I think women, somebody says, I think women are quite miserable, too.
They might not have any people telling them the truth so they can change.
Yeah, I mean, people, I don't know, I don't want to say you're kind of on your own in your life because once you get married and you have friends and so on, then you look, but you only get those because you're helpful to people and you're positive to people.
If you're a negative person, if you're a black belt person, if you can't win, don't try, doom or gloomer, you're going to sail through life without intervention and it's just going to get worse and worse.
And if you have people around, they're going to be the ones that are... Well, either you get out of the black pill and help other people, or you fall down, you try and drag other people with you, and they bail.
And then you say, oh, see, I am alone.
Nobody wants to be with me because I'm ugly.
It's like, no, they don't want to be with you because you're spiritually ugly, not because you're physically ugly.
You're spiritually ugly.
And people don't want to be around drowning people who try to drown them first.
Somebody says, why does time seem to be moving so fast?
From my experience of sharing this topic with others, this idea seems to be moving away from the subjective.
I've heard time moves faster as adults because our minds are burdened by more stressors than children and adolescents, but I find this to be a poor argument.
Any thoughts on this?
Thanks.
Well, time is moving so fast because people are slicing it up into tiny social media consumption bits.
Right?
People scrolling through Twitter absolutely fragment.
And I do it!
I'm not, you know, whatever.
I'm not some, you know, holier than thou.
But if you spend an hour
A slam scrolling through Twitter into one second, half a second, one second, half a second.
At the end of that hour, you've got a couple of vague impressions and you've just lost an hour.
If you spend an hour learning a new song, writing a poem, learning a new skill, then you have something to show for it.
But the scrolling fragments your memory to the point where you can't remember anything.
Same thing's true of video games.
If you're in some really immersive video game,
Uh, that is, you know, real twitchy and so on.
I mean, you can game for hours and you don't feel the time pass at all.
And you look back and it's like, well, what did I do?
Yeah.
My friends talk about that.
They're like.
Be gaming.
And then suddenly it's like, Hey, it's 9 PM.
Like what?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That reminds me of getting into free domain, like 20 to 2014, 15.
Yeah.
For me.
Um, and getting into like some psychology and self-knowledge stuff.
And then like, by this point, I'm in my mid twenties and I'm like, man, life is just.
Skipped by so fast and realizing that I spent so much time kind of dissociated and time just kind of flew by.
You need, you know, to, to, to get a proper sense of, of time in your life, you need markers.
Stuff that's tangible, right?
I remember this is when I got married.
I remember this is when I maybe graduated from, I remember reading this amazing book.
I, you know, I remember the milestones you guys were asking me about, my favorite memories with Izzy, right?
You got these milestones.
You need stuff where you look back and it's not just this Groundhog Day of,
You know, maybe working and gaming and whatever it is, having some pizza.
So when you look back, if you can't tell your days apart, you've wasted your life.
You've got to have some macros, like... Some different shapes.
Yeah!
This is when I wrote The Future, this is when I wrote The Present, this is when I wrote UPB, this is when I did this documentary, this is when...
If there's no growth, there's no life in your life.
It's like walking, we were having this discussion about dune, right?
Well, you can track them because they're in sand.
And Izzy was like, well, they just, the sand blows and, right?
So if you leave no footprints, yeah, you know, you leave no footprints, it's like you were never there.
Yeah.
Like, this is the fundamental question you have to ask about your life.
What does it matter if I'm here or not?
Like, and when I'm gone, who cares?
Right?
And if you can't answer that question,
You got a problem.
Who cares if I'm here or not?
Who cares?
If I were to drop dead tomorrow, who's going to notice?
Who's going to care?
Right?
Or is it going to be like those Japanese?
What was it?
We saw that documentary on like the old Japanese people.
Oh God.
Yeah.
They're just going to pass away and it takes a while for someone to notice.
Oh yeah.
And then they contact their kids, kids in some other city and they're like, Oh, just toss it out.
We don't care.
Right?
Yeah.
It's, um, you got, you got to have something in your life, which is a marker and you got to leave, uh, something that people care about or can use in the next generation.
You know, everything that we have, you think all this technology, the liberties that we still have is all the result of people leaving things from the previous generation and people who take from the human story without contributing to the human story.
I just view as free riders and parasites.
Honestly, like you've got to add some virtue to the world because everything that's of value in this world comes about because other people sacrifice something for virtue or competence or efficiency or a market or an invention or something like, you've got to add to the human story or you're just a free rider and a parasite.
And that's gross to me because we all have to, even if it's just, you know, I got a couple of great happy kids, right?
You can add something to the human story.
And the people who just complain negative, well, rich people and tall people and good looking people.
And I don't have a chance.
It's like, okay, so you're just, you're just feeding off everyone else who got something done.
Right.
Someone built your house.
Yeah.
Someone made a car, someone grew some food.
Right.
So, so somebody did something that so you can survive.
Somebody, somebody created the water purification plot that gives you water that won't kill you with cholera.
Like other people are doing all this stuff.
That's the only reason you're alive.
And you're, like, blackpilling.
It's like, okay, so if everyone does what you do, we're all dead.
Like, within three days.
Right?
No water, no food, like, we're dead in a week.
Okay, so you're relying on everyone else not being blackpilled in order for you to indulge in your dark little Russian navel-gazing crap.
I get infuriated.
Oh, it's so annoying.
I can understand being, like, sad about some of the things, the way the world is, but when someone, like, is persistent with a blackpill, I get
Pretty angry pretty quick.
I'm like, no, no, no, no.
Thank you.
I'm one of the people actually trying to help.
I don't deserve it.
I just, I can't stand the people who rely on everyone else to get things done while saying getting anything done is pointless and impossible.
It's like, okay, then stop.
If you boycott, or if you think that it's bad to get things done or wrong to get things done, so everyone who gets things done is delusional.
Like, do you think that like somebody had to give birth to the kids to build the water purification plant?
Yeah.
And I guarantee you they weren't top 1% of pretty people.
Right?
I mean, they were engineers for God's sake.
Yeah.
Those Germans.
Guarantee.
So, so you're, the people, everyone around you, everyone who delivers your food and your electricity and your water and all of this kind of stuff, built your house.
Do you think the people who built your house were male models?
They weren't.
Were they, were they supermodels or influencers?
No!
Those guys are, I won't say total parasites, but you know, they're basically hideous devil sent seducers into the immaterial nothingness of accident.
But you're alive because other people got married, had kids, and now you're saying it's impossible.
Okay, then everyone who did all of that stuff, you should just boycott.
Just boycott what they do.
Boycott fresh water, boycott electricity, go live in the woods because everyone's delusional who got things done and got married and had kids.
They're all just fools and delusional so you could boycott all their stuff.
But nobody ever does.
Nope.
In fact, they'd be really upset!
If other people stop doing stuff.
So the black pill stuff is just horrible.
It's not envy, just pointing out the reality.
Oh God.
No, no, that's fine.
Let him have it.
Let him have it.
Let him have it.
Uh, good looking people choose to fail.
And yeah, that's on them.
I don't know what that means.
Uh, you just get leftovers.
Okay.
So he wants the black pill and he wants to spread the black pill.
Personally, the black pill gave me clear goals that I need to reach.
I started working out.
I joined the military.
Saved all my money and got surgery.
I'm confident now and finally get some attention.
Alright?
Well, getting attention is not the same as being loved for who you are.
Yeah, well.
Ah, let's see here.
It's funny, I wrote a whole email about this to you, but never sent it because I wasn't sure if you care about this topic, but thank you for talking about it.
You're welcome.
Men create things to get money and status to attract mates, so inventors, you could say, are black-pilled.
What?
Okay, so are you saying that tall, good-looking people have the advantage, but inventors actually create stuff so that they have status?
So which is it?
Is it inventing stuff and being creative, or is it just being good-looking?
Because yes, shockingly, shockingly,
Human babies need resources and moms are kind of disabled with pregnancy and toddlerhood and breastfeeding.
So yes, as a man, you have to have some excess resources, blah, de, blah, de, blah.
That's why we don't have periods and have more upper body strength.
Who cares?
It's so boring.
Oh, men are slaves.
It's like, no, we, men and women divvied up as rationally as possible, the difficult business of getting to be the alpha predators, right?
The top predators, the rulers of the planet with the greatest brains in the universe.
Okay.
And some of the burden fell on women and some of the burden fell on men.
And all the men complain, women complain about the burden and men complain about the burden.
It's like we're in a three-legged race and we win gold every year.
And all we do is complain about each other and it's like, but we keep winning gold.
Oh, it drives me crazy.
Anyway.
All right.
Let's, uh, we're almost at two hours.
So thanks everyone so much.
Blackpill is just methods of getting attention from women.
So yes, money maxing and IQ maxing is a valid strategy.
It's not just looks.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yes.
So you can sometimes get, yeah, women, women like a man with resources.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't know how that's blackpilled.
How is that blackpilled?
It's just basic biology.
Women need resources because, uh, they're not economically productive and they're raising children!
Is he confusing like the rest?
I don't know what he's doing.
All right.
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