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	Well, good morning, everybody.
	Stephen Molyneux from Free Domain.
	Good Lord, it's near the end of October.
	Wowsie!
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	I can!
	Still feels like sci-fi futuristic Futurama to me, but it's still 499 years to go until we get to my wonderful novel called The Future, which you should definitely check out at freedomain.com slash books.
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	All right.
	Well,
	Maybe we'll do a short show today.
	If we all aren't chatty, it's kind of funny, right?
	Cause I do the show so I can talk with people, but if you all ain't chatty, then, uh, I might as well do, uh, the one with more tips.
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	So I guess I have a, is it a shameful confession?
	Yes, probably a little bit of a shameful confession.
	In the chat, hit me with a why if you don't mind a mildly shameful confession.
	I mean, I think we all have them, don't we?
	Little things here and there that we're like, ooh, I'm not proud, but I'm going to try and get some good stuff out of it.
	Because, you know, I don't want you all to think that I'm any kind of paragon of virtue or eternally positive and never have any temptation.
	So yeah, mildly guilty secret.
	Tell me if you've ever heard of a show entitled The Morning Show.
	Have you ever heard of a show called The Morning Show?
	Morning M-O-R-N-I-N-G, although I suppose with regards to my integrity and virtue, I'm in mourning for M-O-U-R-N-I-N-G, The Morning Show.
	Now, I could blame it on my wife.
	And I'm tempted by that as well, but given that I have already given into the temptation to watch Bitch of the Morning show, I might as well say, oh, she's a big Jennifer Aniston fan.
	It's some Greek thing.
	So she's the reason I did it.
	It wasn't me.
	She's the reason.
	Is that a new show?
	Oh, I wish it was.
	It is not a news show.
	It is a show on Apple TV.
	And, uh, you know, every now and then you get these offers of like free stuff.
	So I can say that, right?
	At least that's, that's, that's a vague, sad defense, but, uh, yes, it is a show.
	It is with, I mean, the acting is pretty good.
	Jennifer Aniston, um, blonde girl, Reese Witherspoon, and a couple of other people, um, a couple of other people that I've recognized, uh, the guy from
	Cameron Crowe's rock and roll movie.
	Can't remember.
	So anyway, there's some good acting.
	The writing is not bad.
	The people are pretty.
	The sets are pretty.
	The stakes are relatively high.
	So I have dipped in.
	Now, I'm not alone in this.
	Hit me with a show that you have watched or are watching.
	Don't make me feel alone in all of this, my friends.
	Do you have a show that you have watched or are watching that you wouldn't necessarily list as your first virtue at the pearly gates in the afterlife?
	Have you had a show that's gone that way for you?
	Come on.
	Don't make me feel... I can't be the only one who has a guilty... Game of Thrones!
	Yeah, Game of Thrones.
	That was an odd show, man.
	That was... I watched a couple of episodes.
	That was about as nihilistic and ugly a show as could be conceived of.
	Prison Break.
	Well, Prison Break, I did watch some of that, and Prison Break was, again, somewhat nihilistic, but, you know, I'm a sucker for Brother Bond movies and Brother Bond shows.
	Californication.
	Oh my gosh.
	That was like watching the Surgery Channel.
	I mean, it's like, I guess it's instructive, but I really don't want to see.
	Californication.
	And also David Duchovny, who's in that.
	Didn't he have a sex addiction?
	Red Shoe Diaries kind of style.
	And I think that the show was pretty, pretty autobiographical.
	But yeah.
	Dexter.
	Never watched that.
	Pretty Little Liars.
	I think I watched about 20 minutes of the first one, seeing if it would be any good for my daughter.
	And it wasn't.
	I could not make it through Californication.
	Yeah.
	That wife, though.
	I mean, she was she was quite pretty and actually quite a good
	Quite a good actress.
	It's always funny, you know, how they show there's always this contradiction in these kinds of shows.
	I mean, well, more than one, but the one I think that kind of obvious to me.
	I will admit it as well.
	The Kardashians, LOL.
	I did watch one Kardashian show.
	You know, I just have to hold my nose and keep abreast, abreast, literally abreast, of the current cultural trends.
	The Kardashians had a big impact on culture, and this cultural commentator and critic, LOL.
	Yeah, that was pretty repulsive.
	But you know, the Kardashians is a brave admission.
	It's a brave admission.
	I did watch one episode of The Bachelor, and...
	Yeah, I mean, pretty whoredom in nice locations.
	I suppose Melrose Place style is not... Melrose Place!
	I watched that some years ago.
	Let's see here.
	Not a show, but I always click on the Megan and Harry news.
	Nip Tuck, way back in the day.
	Nip Tuck was a show that started off pretty well and then it got into all of this serial killer nonsense and it just got, you know, stupid and ridiculous.
	They always go too far, they always go too big, they always have to have some big giant story arc and
	I don't know.
	It's kind of like, Burn Notice is a great show, by the way.
	Burn Notice is like, I would go to my grave having no shred of doubt or any defensiveness about Burn Notice.
	It's just a fantastic show.
	Let's see, I watched the very first Jersey Shore, never made it to the second.
	Well, Jersey Shore is actually one of the rare shows, medically speaking, that you can actually get
	An STD from watching it?
	Like, that's not common.
	It's weird that it transmits over radio and TV waves, but that is actually... Breaking Bad, I watched one.
	I mean, Breaking Bad was such a phenomenon.
	And of course, I'm a big fan of Anthony Hopkins.
	And when he praised the lead guy in Breaking Bad as some of the finest acting he'd ever seen, I was like, yeah, okay.
	I give that one a try.
	But Breaking Bad was just too vile.
	It was just absolutely too vile.
	The Walking Dead, I watched a couple of those.
	It got a bit repetitive.
	Oh no!
	We need to go and get something!
	Oh no!
	There are zombies in the way!
	Oh no!
	So it just seemed a bit repetitive for me.
	But yeah, I am a show.
	YouTube drama videos.
	Right, right.
	Did anyone enjoy Fringe?
	I don't know what that one is.
	I watched Bones.
	It was a good show.
	I thought that was enjoyable.
	All of that, so, you know, pretty people and bodies.
	Live bodies, dead bodies, you know, the usual thing.
	Anyway, so, we'll get to... You've heard the news about Matthew Perry?
	Should we get to... Ice Road Truckers!
	Yeah, if that's not a show that's gonna help you appreciate your desk job, I don't know what it is.
	Did you know Kitchen Nightmares is back?
	Well, since people mentioned Kitchen Nightmares... I...
	I did watch some Kitchen Nightmares, and I thought that they were very interesting.
	It was very instructive to see just the high IQ, low IQ collision, because Gordon Ramsay is like a super high IQ guy, and twitchy, and impatient, and you know, the hands constantly flapping around like trapped Italian birds in a cage.
	And yeah, it was a good show.
	It was an interesting show.
	I think it's kind of a Howard Roark show, and Howard Roark gets a mediocre
	Uh, architect to be great by passing along his genius.
	And I think Gordon Ramsay, you know, uh, fires some energy and, and structure and standards into these pathetic failing restaurants, which is obviously, you know, people who just don't listen, right?
	He comes and he, this, this, this show is always the same, right?
	There's some vainglorious guy who refuses to admit that he's doing badly.
	Uh, he's a terrible cook.
	And Gordon Ramsay comes and tries his food.
	The food sucks!
	And then the guy says, well, all the customers like it.
	I don't know what you're talking about, man.
	And then Gordon Ramsay says, well, if all the customers like it, why is your restaurant going out of business?
	Oh, and by the way, you haven't told your wife that you're three quarters of a million dollars in debt and you're going to lose your house.
	And anyway, and then they revamp it.
	And of course, people come to the restaurant because it's Gordon Ramsay.
	They want to be in a documentary.
	They want to have had that experience.
	Whether it's able to be sustained,
	Seems somewhat unlikely.
	The UK version of Kitchen Nightmares is less dramatic and better, in my opinion.
	Maybe, maybe, maybe.
	I don't remember liking Friends.
	Oh, I mean, personally, I thought Friends was very funny.
	Nihilistic, of course, and, you know, fairly corrupt to the core, but had some very funny stuff in it.
	Watching Phoebe
	Singing along to the bagpipes was something that had me almost wet myself.
	It was so funny.
	And the comedians, I thought, were very skilled.
	Anyway, so let's get back to the morning show.
	Again, well acted, fairly well written, and in it... I'm not going to give you any real spoilers here, in case you wanted to watch the show.
	And I find the show interesting.
	Listen, I don't want to get all kinds, like, it's got some good trashy soapy drama in it, and I get all of that.
	But I'm also, because it's so left-leaning, it's like watching The West Wing, although it's not as well written or well acted as The West Wing, which was kind of in a class of its own.
	But I watched it in part, and
	Again, I'm not trying to say, oh, it's all justified by this, but I really do.
	I watch it in part because I'm desperate to understand the mindset.
	I mean, it's a very liberal, very Democrat, very left-leaning show, and it's pretty wild to try.
	I'm really fairly desperate to try and understand this mindset, because of course it is a very dominant mindset, and in my view, of course, a very dangerous mindset.
	I'll tell you what I got from it that I've been kind of obsessing over these last couple of days.
	So hopefully this will make some sense to you.
	So, long story short, there's a woman named Levy who's played by Jennifer Aniston.
	And she is the talent, right?
	She's the on-screen personality and so on.
	And she's had this producer who's been with her for, I don't know, like 20 years.
	And his name is Chip.
	Alex, Levy, and Chip.
	Alex and Chip.
	So, it doesn't really matter what the conflict is, but he's mad at her about something, she's mad at him about something, and then in the middle of a fairly ferocious argument, she suddenly steps back, puts her hands to her temple and says, I just, I can't do this anymore.
	I can't do this anymore like and she has this thing and this is obviously kind of chilling words to hear if you're in a sort of economic or romantic relationship somebody saying I just can't do this anymore and she looks at him and wonder like wow I'm just waking up from a bad dream you're fired and then he you can't be serious yes she's serious and then he leaves eventually and he turns at the door and he says you know
	When you had COVID and I came to take care of you, I told you I had COVID, but I didn't, I hadn't actually had COVID.
	I just took care of you because I really do care about you.
	And she just gives him this thousand yard stare.
	Like it doesn't mean anything.
	She doesn't say, Oh my gosh, that's so touching.
	You really did make sacrifices and put your health at risk for me, you know, given the standard COVID narrative.
	And he just walks out and there's a 20 year relationship because they're having an argument.
	It's gone.
	Like it never happened.
	Have you had that in your life, where people you've known for a long time, there's some kind of conflict, there's some kind of conflict, and it just, poof, it just goes, it vanishes.
	And that person has gone from your life, never to return, and years, or half decades, or decades, just goes with them, and you move on, like it never happened, like it never
	Have you ever had that experience?
	I think most of us have had that experience at one time or another.
	Yes, her choice and loss.
	Well, no, your choice and loss too, because you chose her, right?
	And it was, again, very well acted, well written.
	I just can't do this anymore.
	Like there's another personality
	That never participated in the relationship that's taking over and poof!
	There was no relationship.
	Somebody says, yes, it was wrapped in a death threat and that was it.
	Yeah, it'll do it.
	Yes, my best friend never saw her again.
	Somebody says, yeah, it took a bit longer to play out though.
	Right.
	Right.
	Right.
	So I've really been thinking about this leftist mindset
	Because, and this is, this is common throughout this show and other shows as well.
	First of all, it's a show without children.
	That generally tends to be the leftist thing.
	It's a show without children.
	And it's a show where people make up and break up constantly.
	So there's a lesbian relationship between Juliana Margulis and Reese Witherspoon.
	And then there's just some fight over Reese Witherspoon's mother and Reese Witherspoon's character just walks out, doesn't look back.
	There's a black woman who has a relationship with a war reporter and she's terrified he's gotten killed in Ukraine.
	And then she just sees him on TV giving an interview and he never called her.
	And oh, this is the guy who, he went out without a mask and she like screamed and threw him out of the place and all that kind of stuff.
	Right?
	And you see this continually that people they have no bond.
	They sort of crash and collide together usually over sex or maybe sort of sort of mutual ambition or money-making.
	They kind of crash and collide together and then they just separate and vanish.
	Like it never was.
	And that's when I sort of think about the leftist shows.
	There's no bond.
	There's no bonding.
	There's no bonding.
	As long as people's interests align, but there's always a part of them that's not, as long as people's interests align they can kind of hang out and get things done, but there's always a part of them that is withheld from and distant from and not participating in the relationship that can suddenly eclipse the burning light of the pretend bond and just snap it out completely.
	Just snap it out completely.
	No bond.
	And it's funny because in the whole show, the morning show, everybody's miserable and so dramatic and it's all so self-important and so on.
	But one thing that's really interesting is that there's one character who is the only character I've seen who's remotely happy and content is a mother.
	It's the wife of Reese Witherspoon's brother.
	Now he's kind of crazy and there's a whole Jan Six thing about it, but the mother is like, you know, happy and pleasant and bonded with her baby and eager and
	Content and all of that.
	So, I've really been thinking about this sort of lack of bond.
	Now, let me ask you this, my friends.
	How many people would you say you are well-bonded to?
	Now, well-bonded means rain or shine, good or bad, you're just going through it.
	Whatever the weather, in or out of the money, you are in it for good.
	You are in it in perpetuity.
	Do you have those people?
	No matter what.
	No matter what.
	Right.
	So we've got three people, three people, zero, maybe only one or at most two.
	You know, I remember saying to my daughter, if she's in a con, I mean, she's had conflicts, of course, like, like all kids.
	And I've always said to her, look in,
	In any conflict situation, I'm 150% on your side.
	Like, you tell me what it is, I'm on your side 150%.
	Maybe later, in private, I might have a criticism or two or some feedback or something like that, but I'm... Like, there's no wedge that could be driven between us.
	There's nothing that anyone could say that would have me not take your side.
	I will always take your side.
	And again, it doesn't mean that there's never any feedback ever, but I will always take your side.
	And on the few times where that has come up, well, I take her side, right?
	I mean, I always take her side.
	And the other kid tries to say stuff, and it's like, nope, that's not my daughter.
	And so, and because of that, she has very few conflicts, right?
	Let's see, other people saying zero, five, maybe six, that's good.
	One, not a spouse.
	One or two, wish it were.
	One, wife.
	I felt capable of it, I just can't seem to find reciprocation, right?
	So, do you know that we evolved on the foundational bond of absolute devotion, right?
	The tribe.
	Absolute devotion.
	Absolute support within the tribe.
	That's... What?
	Was she ever wrong in a conflict?
	Well, I don't know what you mean by wrong.
	Was she ever immoral?
	Well, no, of course not.
	Was there ever time when she could have handled it slightly better?
	Well, that's true of everyone in conflict, right?
	So she can give me feedback.
	I can give her feedback.
	So she's never been morally wrong.
	But, you know, there are times where a couple of tweaks here and there might have might have helped out the situation.
	And of course, I do all of this because the stronger the bond is with her parents, and maybe a little bit more even particularly with her father, the stronger the bond is with her father, the less likely people are to mess with her, right?
	Because that's just a
	They have a sense for that, they have, right?
	If she's got backup, if she's got somebody who's going to support her no matter what, then people don't really mess with her as much, right?
	Somebody says, wife and five kids, brother and four long-term guy friends.
	Ah!
	That's great.
	That's great to hear.
	So, yeah, we kind of evolved on these bonds.
	Bonds with tribe, bonds with family, bonds with elders, bond with culture, bond with history, bond with land, bond with religion, bond with God.
	We just, we pair-bonded, right?
	In this show, there's no pair bonding.
	Now, let me ask you, it's going to be a bit of a trick question, but let me make the case.
	This is sort of what I've been thinking about.
	Do we bond with other people directly?
	Do we bond with other people directly?
	When we say, I have a pair bond,
	Are we bonding with other people directly?
	I know, sort of to ask the question in a sense is to answer it, and I know it's a bit of an odd way of putting it, but hopefully this will make some sense as I cruise forward on this.
	So what?
	Yeah, don't we bond over shared values?
	That's right.
	The pair bonding is not with the other person.
	I have not pair bonded with my wife.
	We pair bond over virtues.
	Does this make sense?
	This was a radical thought to me, because pair bonding has something to do with predictable behavior.
	Predictable behavior means integrity to some kind of values, hopefully good ones.
	So we don't pair bond with another person, we mutually pair bond over shared values.
	So, how do you kill the pair bond in people, and why would you want to do that?
	The why, I think, is pretty obvious, and I think this is more true for women than it is for men.
	Men tend to... I mean, we have our strengths and weaknesses, but one of the strengths that men have is that we tend to be slightly better at being independent, right?
	Because we don't have kids in the same way, obviously, that women do with the pregnancy and breastfeeding and so on.
	So we tend to be a little bit better at independence than women are.
	So for women, without the pair bond, life is full of anxiety, full of fear, full of worry, concern, possibilities of bad things happening.
	Uh, you know, this sort of, and you could see this kind of coming out full flight, uh, with things like COVID, right?
	Where you just, I think women are more easily programmed to experience a fear.
	Fear.
	If you can break the pair bond, particularly for women, women feel anxiety, nervousness, fear, vulnerability, because they're not, you know, protected, which they need to be biologically because of the massive investment they make in the offspring.
	And of course, if you can break the pair bond between women and men, what do women pair bond with?
	What do they try to use to gain the security that they don't get because they're not pair bonded?
	What do they, where do they run?
	Yeah, they run to the state.
	They run to authority, they run to the leaders.
	Because women are all about resource transfer.
	Which is, again, this is not a negative, this is beautiful, it's why we're all here, but women are all about resource transfer.
	I need someone to take care of me because I'm having kids.
	And if there's not someone who loves them, who they're pair-bonded with, to give them resource transfer, they run to the state.
	So you understand, if you want to gain power as a government, you destroy the pair bond, which makes women anxious, which makes them vote for bigger government.
	Now, and I was alluding to that when I did the speech in the show on Friday night about the black woman.
	I played as a black woman talking to her woke registered nurse daughter.
	Now, and you can see this, of course, in my novel, The Present, where Rachel pivots from Arlo to the Christian Steadmuffin.
	Now, how do you break the pair bond?
	How do you break the pair bond?
	Well, of course, you can bribe with sex and status and money and so on, right?
	When there's a lot of that in media.
	But how do you break the pair bond?
	Well, what you do is since we pair bond over values, the way that you break the pair bond and thus swell the power of the state is you say to people, there are no values.
	There's no truth.
	There's no God.
	If God is the source of your values, we'll throw the baby out with the bathwater.
	There's no objectivity, there's no reality, you can't even trust your senses.
	You make people radically subjective.
	Tell me if this line of argument makes sense and also if it's of value to you.
	Because if you look at, in particular, the post-war period, if you look at the post-war period coming out of the left, particularly the French philosophers, was this radical attack on objectivity
	On truth, on virtue, on values.
	So if there's no truth, there's no values, there's no virtues, there's no reality, there's no objectivity, then people become random.
	They pursue immediate sense pleasure, they pursue a status for no particular purpose.
	What replaces integrity is almost always vanity, and vanity is unstable.
	Vanity is about domination and therefore it's the opposite of connection.
	This is the weird thing that you see where people think that by trash-talking their partner, they look better.
	It's like, no, no, you don't understand.
	By trash-talking your partner, you're trash-talking yourself, which is why when the other person said, yeah, it was her loss.
	And it's like, no, no, no, but it was your loss for having like, don't try and status up someone.
	I mean, I don't think I've ever talked about an ex-girlfriend like, I was great, she was terrible.
	It was like, it wasn't bad, but I was still learning and, right, wasn't terrible.
	Doesn't it strip away a woman's free will slash agency to say they're programmed to run to the state for resource transfer even though it goes against basic principles of morality?
	Oh my gosh.
	I try not to get too annoyed at the nitpickers.
	And I know that this, oh, how could this be a nitpicking question?
	It's a very important and essential question.
	But don't ask me questions about free will.
	Please, I'm begging everyone here.
	This is just a, be reasonable, be polite, be considerate, be thoughtful.
	Right?
	Don't ask me questions about free will without knowing my position on free will.
	It's rude.
	Honestly, it's rude.
	And I'll tell you why in just a second, right?
	And I get you're not trying to be rude.
	You're asking a reasonable question.
	I'm sure it sounds reasonable to other people, but a moment's thought can answer it.
	And this is how I know that this is triggering you.
	You're anxious.
	So you're dumping out a question there to distract me from what I'm saying, because to manage your anxiety rather than allow the pursuit of truth.
	Okay.
	Now,
	When I say know my position on free will, I'm not saying you have to agree with it, but you have to know it, right?
	If I'm going to critique or ask a question of a philosopher, it is incumbent upon me to know what that philosopher has said about the topic before, otherwise I'm kind of wasting his and everyone's time, right?
	So, does anyone here remember my definition of free will?
	What is my definition of free will?
	It is, it's a rhetorical question because I know it would be a lot to type out, free will.
	And I've got three shows on free will.
	And if you're concerned about questions of free will and you're part of this conversation, understanding my arguments is valuable because that's the context in which this conversation is occurring.
	Right?
	So if I want to go and argue with an animal rights activist, it's important for me to know what the arguments are that the animal rights activist has made so that I'm not just coming in out of nowhere.
	So, free will is our ability to compare proposed actions to ideal standards.
	Free will is our ability to compare our proposed actions to ideal standards.
	Because it's the one thing that we can do that animals can't, right?
	Now, if I've just talked about how the destruction of ideal standards was the work of the post-war left, particularly out of France, then
	When I say that they take away truth, values, virtue, ethics, morality, philosophy, objectivity, then what they've done is they've destroyed ideal standards.
	There are no ideal standards.
	So if you don't have any ideal standards to compare your proposed actions to, you fundamentally don't have free will.
	You don't have free will if you don't have any ideal standards.
	And we can see this with the development of the very accurate meme known as the NPC, right?
	The NPC is the person who just has pre-programmed responses and like I met a guy not too long ago who was a wealthy guy and he put all of his kids through PhDs and all of that and he was railing against Trump and one of the things he railed against Trump was
	Well, Trump got money from his father to start his business, so he's not a real businessman, right?
	And I said, well, does that mean your kids aren't really educated because you paid for them to go all the way through their PhDs?
	Which was, you know, massive amounts of money.
	And I said, it's interesting because proportional to the Trump wealth, I bet you the money that Trump got to start his businesses was less in terms of percentage than the money you gave to your kids for their education.
	So why is it bad for Trump's father to help him, but it's really good for you to help your kids?
	I just, you know, and, you know, it's like, short circuit hostility, right?
	I mean, in his world, in his circle, that's just the price of, you know, the price of having a social life if you have to hate Trump, even though, you know, it doesn't make any sense relative to what you're doing, at least those particular criticisms, right?
	I remember the days back in 2015 when I thought, oh, well, the people, the reason that people dislike this person or that person is they simply don't have enough information.
	So once I give them the right information, they'll just change their view.
	Oh, the optimism!
	Wasn't it glorious?
	And, you know, there was a couple of years without war.
	That's pretty nice, wasn't it?
	It's pretty nice, particularly for my younger male audience.
	Pretty, pretty nice.
	So, yeah, so if you say,
	Right?
	If you say, doesn't it strip away a woman's free will slash agency to say that they're programmed to run to the state for resource transfer, even though it goes against basic principles of morality?
	Right.
	So as I've said, and again, if you were listening, you don't even know my, like when I said the left was dedicated to destroying the conceptions of the basic principles of morality.
	And then you say, well, but why would women do things that go against the basic principles of morality?
	It's like, well, what I've done is I've sabotaged your GPS.
	And then you say, knowing that someone sabotaged the GPS, why are they driving in the wrong direction?
	It's like, well, no, right?
	GPS got sabotaged.
	So you strip away free will when you strip away truth, objectivity, reason, integrity, virtue, all of that kind of stuff.
	So I just wanted to sort of point that out, that if you, if you listen really actively and think for yourself in a conversation, you don't need to ask these questions, right?
	When I say they stripped away morality, you'd say, well, why would women be acting against morality?
	It's like I just did 10 minutes on.
	I don't mean to sound annoyed, right?
	But it is mildly annoying when I'm kind of in a flow.
	And again, I can ignore the questions and all that, but this is a two-way street, right?
	Otherwise, I'd just do a solo show.
	So, there's no bond.
	When there's no bond, you have great and deep anxiety.
	As you age, it gets worse and worse and worse, which is why you see, particularly the older white women, just, you know, with these wheelbarrows of antidepressants and all this kind of stuff, just big.
	So when you're young, you have the illusion of the bond, right?
	For women, what's the illusion of a bond?
	When they're, yeah, without bonds, there's bondage.
	Yeah, it's a good way to put it.
	So for women, what's the illusion of pair bonding when they're young?
	What gives them the illusion of a bond when they're young?
	Compliments?
	That's a very male perspective and that's funny because for men we're so rarely complimented like you know that meme of like a woman being told she has a nice smile for the 20th time that day she's kind of rolling her eyes but then there's a man smiling at the corner
	Thinking about that one time 20 years ago when a woman who wasn't his mother told him he looked handsome.
	So for you, for you, it's like, wow, pair bonding is compliments.
	No, no.
	For women, compliments don't pay the bills.
	Compliments is not resource transfer.
	It's indication of potential resource transfer.
	So for women, what is, yeah, men's unwavering attention and provisioning of her lifestyle.
	Steady boyfriend.
	Well, whatever transfers resources to her,
	And the resource, again, some resources are social media clout, which often translates into some kind of income, and so on, right?
	So, it's admiration that transfers resources.
	That is... I mean, when I worked in a hardware store in the Don Mills Mall, when I was like, I don't know, 14 or something like that, my friend and I, we worked together, he was a really great guy,
	My friend and I would go to a particular convenience store every break to grab a snack.
	And why oh why oh why did we go to that particular convenience store to get our snacks?
	There were lots of convenience stores around, lots of places we could have got our snacks.
	Yeah, because there was a cute girl behind the counter and we liked to flirt with her.
	Not blaming her.
	I'm just, you know, this is the reality of the situation.
	So she had job security.
	She had job security.
	Because she was pretty.
	And because she was pretty, the income of the convenience store went up.
	I mean, she was cute enough that there were, like, guys lined up to get snacks with, like, two empty stores around, right?
	And we all, we all know this.
	Phenomenon.
	Do you know what one of the biggest phenomenon of pretty girl corruption?
	There is the biggest phenomenon in America in particular of pretty girl corruption.
	What is it?
	I'm sure you know.
	Some of the biggest effects ever.
	No, it's not the feminism stuff.
	I said pretty girl corruption.
	You may or may not know if you've known anything about the industry.
	Social media?
	No.
	Well, that's a consequence.
	Pretty girl corruption?
	Taylor Swift?
	No.
	Waitresses?
	No.
	No, I mean it certainly has an effect.
	Being a pretty girl can trap a woman in the waitress world for too long and then she runs out of looks and it's pretty bad from there on, right?
	You're not sure what I mean by that question?
	Okay, let me give you the answer and then obviously if I'm wrong you can tell me and if it doesn't make sense you can tell me.
	The biggest example of pretty girl corruption is pharmaceutical reps.
	Right?
	The pretty women who visit doctors and get doctors to prescribe the medications that the pharmaceutical companies want to sell.
	Have you heard about this at all?
	Yeah, selling to lonely doctors, coming in, sitting down in your tight skirt and your low-cut top and chatting.
	And this is like a well... I remember on the old show Scrubs there was a whole thing with Heather Locklear about this, right?
	That the hot girl drug pusher is kind of a phenomenon, right?
	Does that make sense?
	And if you think about, you know,
	Opioid crisis and antidepressants and ADHD drugs and all of that.
	I mean, a lot of them are pushed by pretty girls to doctors.
	Tell me, am I wrong about this?
	But in terms of like a hundred thousand Americans dying a year from drug overdoses, again, it's not obviously all at the feet of this, but a pretty big proportion of it is.
	So, yeah, it's a huge problem.
	So, when women are young and very attractive, they feel, because men desire them, that that's like a pair bond, right?
	Because she is desired, she feels that there's a bond.
	Does this argument make sense so far?
	I want to make sure that I'm
	And this is actually, I mean, this is on movies and TVs now, not so much in the theaters, but this is being talked about, you know, I saw a bit of one show where there was this one hot girl who was a farmer rep who got another hot girl to be a farmer rep because she had such a great figure and the doctors are all lonely and then one doctor snarls at her that she's a drug pusher and all this kind of stuff.
	No, but you see, where drug advertisements are not allowed, the problem can be even worse.
	Because then, how do you get doctors to prescribe your drugs?
	Well, you get the pretty girls to go in.
	But the other thing you do, of course, is you shower them with gifts, with free trips.
	There's a big conference in Hawaii.
	We'd love for you to give a 15-minute speech.
	We're gonna pay all expenses, bring your wife, we'll give you a week in Hawaii, just, you know, a 15-minute speech, and... All right, so... Ew.
	Ew, ew, ew.
	So... Wait, what?
	You think pharma direct-to-consumer sales are positive?
	I don't know what, uh, what that means.
	None of the whole environment is negative.
	And the reason is that pharma ads to consumers, which I think is only allowed in, what is it, New Zealand and America, direct ads to consumers, why are they negative?
	Does it violate the non-aggression principle to say you should try my drug?
	No, I guess as long as you're honest about side effects and all of that.
	But the reason all of this stuff is nonsense is that how many people pay
	For their own drugs directly, right?
	Very few.
	Very few.
	Very few.
	I mean, how many people, I mean, if COVID didn't bring this out, right, how many people paid for the entire cost of developing, marketing, producing the vaccines, COVID vaccines?
	It was all quote free, right?
	So people can afford to virtue signal when they've got no skin in the game, right?
	So, for women, they feel that there's pair bonding because they are desired.
	But that's not virtue, that's lust.
	And lust and virtue can co-join beautifully, which is why sexuality is essential to
	Male-female pair bonding, so virtue and sexuality can live together beautifully, but if the man is acting out of lust, the woman feels like there's a pair bond, and then the man dumps her.
	He ghosts her, he moves on, because he's not into her for her virtues.
	He's into her, well, because he's into her, right?
	And once he's in her, he's out of her, and moving on.
	And then she gets bitter, and then she blames men, right?
	Oh, men are inconstant, men don't... men can't... you can't rely on men, they're selfish bastards, right?
	I mean, every time I hear a woman put down men, all I hear is that she's frustrated that the vagina coin is declined at this time in her life.
	So...
	If you're bitter at men, it's because the V-card gets declined after a while.
	Well, it gets declined constantly, but then it loses value over time.
	So she has the illusion of pair bonding because she's desired, and of course the politicians woo her and, quote, flirt with her, which is why all politicians who are successful have to have a full head of hair, all politicians who are successful have to be reasonably good-looking, all politicians who are successful have to be taller than their opponents, and so on, because, like, Jesus used to be
	The ersatz boyfriend for some women, cats become the ersatz companionship for some women, and politicians.
	Like, the number of women who dreamed about having sex with Barack Obama was chilling beyond words, right?
	They literally form, like, whoever provides them resources, they fantasize about.
	Well, except, I guess, except the actual taxpayer.
	Saw this young woman that worked at a ski resort.
	Wow, the miles and bitterness on her.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Well, ski resorts in particular are hotbeds of powdery fuckery, for sure.
	I mean, there are a lot.
	I mean, it's like tree planting, right?
	There's just a lot of predatory sexual crap that goes on at ski resorts, for sure.
	So, if you can convince people there's no truth, there's no virtues, there's no morals, there's no values.
	And again, this is like combined with this, I've again struggled my way through.
	Almost finished a the biography of Marlon Brando who was a big influence on me when I was younger because of course I was in theater school and he was he's the best film actor that has ever lived or probably ever will live and so I watched I've been watching a couple of his movies and the one I watched which is really wild and insane and truly psychotic is called The Last Tango in Paris and the behavior is just completely random everybody's just completely random nobody makes any sense at all
	But I guess that's just life when you're bouncing around various lusts and perversions and all of that.
	So... You convince people there's no truth, there's no reason, there's no reality, there's no objectivity, there's no virtue and they lose the ability to pair bond because we pair bond based on shared values and if there are any shared values
	Then you have to lie to yourself.
	If you don't believe in anything, you have to lie to yourself.
	So, if a woman has no particular morals or virtues, and I don't want to say that I'm picking on women here, men can do it in other ways, right?
	But it's a little easier to understand in this context, because it's more sort of base and sexual.
	But if a woman doesn't have any particular virtues or values or morals, and lots of men desire her, then she has to say, I have value because I'm desired.
	I have value because hormones.
	I have value because hole.
	I have value because semen.
	I have value because whatever, right?
	Sex.
	Now, nobody really believes that.
	But you have to lie to yourself and invent all of these other things.
	You know, like, well I just asked the universe for things and the universe provides.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	If by universe you mean penis, then yes.
	Penis provision is a thing that a lot of women confuse with mysticism.
	So, you have no pair bond, and the lust that you lie to yourself and say is your value diminishes over time, then there's just this bitterness.
	And there's just this bitterness.
	I mean, what women say
	This is how much I love cats.
	I know that the pussy has gone up in one market and down in another.
	It's all a confession.
	All a confession.
	And I have a lot of sympathy for women about this because
	I mean, come on, dudes.
	I mean, we like to say, well, we're more sensible than... It's like, no, no, no.
	Women just get the temptation earlier and younger.
	That's all.
	That's all.
	And you and I would be the same, for the most part, in those situations, absent some significant intervention like God or morality or philosophy or something like that.
	We'd be the same.
	We'd be the same.
	The idea that there's this whole other group of people who are tempted by things you'd never be tempted by and you can feel superior to them, it's really sad and pathetic.
	It's part of the red pill MGTOW stuff that I really dislike.
	Eugenocentrism is like, yeah, yeah, that's a thing.
	For sure.
	Women, they bond with you over resources.
	Yeah, yeah, that's a thing.
	If you want true love, you've got to go to Jesus.
	You can't go to women any more than men, right?
	Love is the pair-bonding mechanism we use to raise the next generation.
	It's not there to serve your ego, your vanity, your...
	Your life, your purpose is not there to make you feel important.
	It's not there to make you feel needed.
	It's not there to fill up the hole left by your absent or neglectful or abusive or violent or distant or distracted mother.
	Love is there to pair bond you to raise the next generation.
	And of course virtue is important and values are important because you want to raise a good healthy wise next generation.
	But love is not there to make you feel better.
	Right?
	Love is not there to make you feel better.
	Love is not there to serve your ego.
	Love is not there to serve your vanity.
	Love is not there to make you feel wanted or special or treasured or important.
	Love is there to pair-bond you to raise the next generation.
	And yes, we absolutely want to mix virtue and with love to make it good and stable and noble.
	But it's not there for you.
	Right?
	You are there for love.
	Like your sex drive is not there so that you feel important or valued or treasured or good.
	Your sex drive is there.
	Like you are for your sex drive.
	Your sex drive isn't for you.
	You are for your looks.
	Your looks aren't for you.
	You are for love.
	Love is not for you.
	Like philosophy is not for me.
	You understand?
	Philosophy is not for me.
	I am for philosophy.
	Pair bonding happens
	When you follow rules.
	You are pair-bonded with the rules and through that you gain trust and stability with the other person.
	And the one thing you can see in these shows is that people break their own rules all the time.
	They're all hypersensitive about offense and then they yell the most horrible things at each other.
	I mean, they obviously know they're hypersensitive about racism but they put down white males all the time.
	So the fact that they make these rules and break these rules is precisely why they can't be trusted.
	And there's something else which I sort of wanted to mention.
	Now, of course, this is a live show, so if you have questions or comments, I'm certainly happy to provide.
	But the one thing that I've noticed, if you want to have questions or issues or whatever, if you want me to finish this up, that's fine.
	But the one thing I have really noticed is that in conjunction with this lack of bonding with individuals is this insane bonding with abstract, quote,
	Morals again.
	I sort of was thinking about this in the Marlon Brando Biography because I mean the man was obsessed with social justice stuff he was obsessed with the rights of the aboriginal population of America and anti-racism and this that and the other and Yeah, I mean these are all interesting conversation to have But his son was thrown in jail for murder his daughter committed suicide and
	He had disastrous relationships with just about everyone around him even later in his life He got really obsessed with computers and back in the dial-up AOL days.
	He used to get into political arguments with people which would usually end with him Marlon Brando the elderly Marlon Brando telling them to F off and and Then he would get banned and then one of his assistants would have to call up AOL and pretend that Marlon Brando was
	His 13-year-old kid, and he'd promised to never do it again.
	So you've got a guy in his 70s swearing at people on the internet, getting banned, and one of his assistants has to pretend that he's a kid in order to get his account back.
	So, I mean, that's really tragic.
	So he cares about the aboriginal population, and he cares about this, and he cares about that.
	But he humiliated co-workers, abused his children,
	Harmed everyone, pretty much, that he came in contact with.
	So, the less the virtue, the more the ideology.
	The less you bond with virtue and therefore people, like genuine virtue, personal virtue, and therefore people, the more you bond with these weird, otherworldly ideologies.
	I mean, the man put more effort, Marlon Brando, into
	Aboriginal rights than he did into parenting his own children.
	His own children!
	He talked about virtue all the time and had sex with anything that had even half a pulse in the neighborhood.
	He
	He claimed to want to promote virtue in the world and ended up glamorizing both a crime lord in The Godfather and a complete sociopath which he played with great charisma and skill in La Tango in Paris and other.
	Now I guess he did a dry white season where he played a judge in South Africa but even that was sort of the social justice warrior stuff.
	The less you bond with actual virtue and actual people the more you bond with these
	Alien ideologies.
	And by alien, I don't mean that they have no value.
	Yeah, these are important conversations to have, but not compared to being a good parent.
	Be a good parent?
	I mean, this is my whole first novel, Revolutions, is about this struggle.
	Do you pursue abstract virtues or personal values?
	And isn't it often the case that those who love mankind
	In the abstract, hate people in their lives the most.
	And in this morning show, they're constantly talking about justice, and virtue, and sensitivity, and the right behavior, and they all treat each other horribly.
	That the more... I don't know, the cause and effect is tough.
	The less you're bonded with people, the more you bond with ideology.
	And then the more you bond with ideology, the less you like people.
	And this of course, you know, is the case with the Marxists and so on, who claim to, you know, just want justice and rightness and so on, but then end up slaughtering people by the tens of millions or more.
	The more you bond with weird abstract virtues.
	And again, not to say that there's no virtue in talking about these things, there is!
	But, you should have virtue in your life first, before you start talking about injustices from agencies you can't control.
	I can't believe that the American government broke its treaties with the natives!
	Okay?
	Well, your own kids are spiraling into
	Addiction and violence and... But!
	But in 1890, the Comanche Tri... Like, what the hell?
	I mean, what the hell?
	It's like that famous meme of the obese woman in the wheelchair wearing a mask saying to the fit woman jogging by, your lack of a mask is harming my health.
	No, I'm not sure about that so much.
	Compared to, say, the crippling obesity.
	So there does seem to be this polarity.
	If you're not bonded with people, you bond with ideology.
	And by ideology, I mean virtues you don't have to live yourself.
	Virtues you can whine about, complain about, nag about, but you don't actually have to live yourself.
	And of course, virtues that are completely... I mean Marlon Brando with his, you know, the Indians, as he would put it.
	The Indians were treated abominably by the government.
	It's like, well, yeah.
	So the solution is more government power, more government transfer, more government resources.
	It's like, no, no, no, come on.
	Don't be crazy, right?
	So then my guess is that the reason why people bond with ideology is that ideology was the price of positive reactions from parents as children.
	With my mother I had to agree with the crazy things she said or I would be attacked and threatened with violence or ostracism which is even worse than violence for kids.
	So I had to agree with my mother's crazy takes on things or she would attack me.
	So the only way I could maintain any kind of bond with my mother was to submit to her ideology and then even as an adult when I pushed mildly back against her ideology saying I would like to talk about things other than these endless lawsuits you have with doctors then she ditched me.
	If I did not conform to her
	Weird, abstract ethics, right?
	He's like, well, I've got to hold these doctors to account.
	It's like, do you ever hold yourself to account for beating up your kids?
	No, but these doctors, I have to do, I have to hold them to account.
	I have to punish these doctors for their bad behavior, blah, blah, blah.
	It's like, I mean, as far as the virtues go, that's really weird and abstract compared to, you know, some of the wrongs that you, yourself, mom did, right?
	So, I think the reason people bond with this ideology and dislike people
	The reason why they bond with this ideology about peace and justice and reason and virtue but actually abuse the people in their own lives is because when they were growing up they had to conform to their parents' ideology or be attacked and rejected by their parents.
	So they have to bond with this weird alien belief system which never has to be enacted in personal virtues because that was the price of having any bond with their parents.
	So they grew up with this pseudo bond to weird abstract ethics, but they treat the people around them abominably because the weird abstract ethics were used to treat them abominably when they were children.
	So they bond with abstract justice, but never personal virtues.
	And they also, because they were punished, attacked, excluded and ostracized,
	By their parents, if they question their parents' ideology, they're bonded to this ideology, Stockholm Syndrome stuff, and then they attack anybody who questions that ideology because it's questioning the pretend bond they have with their parents that they needed for survival, which is why so many people view questioning the ideology.
	They have the same fight-or-flight response that they have if somebody were to physically attack them and threaten their lives, right?
	I mean, in Last Tango in Paris, the main character, the Marlon Brando character, Paul, is such a sociopathic narcissist that he has this affair with this woman, obviously, this bizarre male fantasy, she's like, he's 47, she's like 19, right?
	So, it's crazy, right?
	Decades and decades between them.
	He's old and haggard, she's young and beautiful.
	And he doesn't want to know her name.
	Don't tell me anything about yourself.
	I don't want to know your name.
	I don't want to know anything about you.
	I just want to use you as an object.
	And then, as these things happen, the abuser becomes the victim, the one who rejects her becomes the one who desperately needs her, and then he corners her in her apartment, and she finally tells him her name at the same time as she shoots him.
	Spoiler, right?
	She shoots him.
	In other words, the moment that she shows up as an individual, he dies, because
	It's him or others, right?
	Either he's alive or other people alive.
	Either he kills himself or he kills others.
	Which is what happens when you grow up with savagely ideological parents and the filmmaker Bertolucci was a Marxist and now a Marxist.
	So again, there's this addiction to abstract virtues such as Marxism
	While savagely exploiting an underpaid worker, which is this young woman.
	She was 19 when she made the film.
	She later became Maria Schneider, I think her name was.
	She later became a drug addict.
	She was passed around.
	She died extraordinarily young.
	So he's got these abstract virtues, but he exploits and abuses this young woman who's wildly underpaid on his set while saying that you really should protect the workers and
	The owners of the means of capital exploit the workers, and that's the greatest evil.
	Do you see the disconnect?
	It's wild, right?
	It's wild, and the people who talk about the most abstract virtues tend to be the most cruel individually.
	They bond with these abstract virtues, which means it gives them permission to treat everyone abominably.
	And I've just really found this phenomenon absolutely fascinating recently.
	Anyway, I hope that makes some sense, and I appreciate you all listening to this, and
	You know, happy to get your sort of thoughts and feedback on it as a whole.
	But it doesn't look like people are particularly chatty today, which is obviously totally fine.
	It's nice to have everyone come by and chat.
	So unless there's anybody's got a real yearning burning, I think I'll close it off here today.
	And zing.tips slash free domain.
	Let me just see here.
	There's comments here I haven't checked for a little while.
	And I'll take someone who makes, who lives one virtue consistently over someone who speaks on a hundred and never, I've never seen them doing anything good.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Subscribestar.com slash free domain.
	Marlon Brando was the first professional internet troll.
	Yeah, kind of, right?
	Kind of.
	Yeah.
	How do we sleep at the beds of Berlin?
	Yeah, that was that Australian singer from Midnight Oil.
	Right?
	Really concerned with all of that, right?
	All right, what else have we got here?
	I recommend wearing a mask over your eyes when pumping gas as to avoid heart attacks from the gas prices.
	Oh yeah, that's right!
	Speaking of heart attacks, Matthew Perry, right?
	Died at the age of 54.
	I kind of forgot that he was younger than me, but I guess it kind of makes sense that he's a couple of years younger than me.
	I came across a woman who required her partner to already have a dog before she'd commit to him.
	That's interesting.
	Pursuit of personal virtue, bonding with those in your actual circle doesn't seem to leave much time to pursue abstract virtue in circles of people you don't know.
	Let's see here.
	Hi Steph, why do you think we watch shows or read books with experiences of pain and
	That we'd go out of our way to avoid in real life.
	I appreciate you getting to this when you're finished in your current topic.
	Uh, well, we see those as warnings, right?
	We see those as warnings.
	We want to see something play out when, like it's the fatal attraction thing, right?
	So fatal attraction, this guy, he's got a nice wife, Michael Douglas, got a nice wife.
	He's got kids, got a good career.
	And then this woman comes in.
	Who's hypersexual, the Glenn Close character comes in and then just starts to stalk him.
	So, you know, a bird in the hand was worth two in the crazy bush, I guess, to remind yourself that the hot crazy matrix can be highly dangerous and that you can destroy your life by having sex outside of marriage.
	Like the movie reviews were like, this scared the pants back on the men in America and it scared the pants off me, scared the pants back on.
	Right.
	So you would want to see this kind of stuff to see how.
	Life plays out if you make one bad decision, right?
	Hello.
	Okay, cool.
	Hey, Jeff.
	So, I have a question concerning the show that you released recently about the Jamaican guy.
	You were saying there, and you've said it before, that you shouldn't let people know about your history.
	It doesn't matter.
	So, my question is... That's not what I said.
	No, no, no.
	Hang on, hang on.
	Okay, yeah, I'm sorry.
	Yeah, what did I say?
	Do you remember what I said?
	That if it does not influence you now, you should not have... and if you don't want to bring it up, you shouldn't have to.
	Yeah, so if something... I just want to be clear about this, right?
	Because... I'm sorry, are we talking over?
	I don't know if you can hear me or not.
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	Okay, so when I start talking, if you could stop talking, I hate to be annoying, but I know I sometimes talk over people, but I need to clarify.
	If you've said something incorrect, I need to clarify.
	Because if you keep talking when I'm talking, I think you can't hear me, right?
	In which case we can't have a conversation.
	So if you do me that favor, I'd appreciate it.
	So no, I didn't say you can't tell anyone about your past, or you don't need to tell anyone about anything to do with your history, because that's kind of the way you first characterized it.
	I said, look, if you did something
	That is kind of negative and it's going to give people the wrong impression.
	And I did a whole thing on this because I remember this very clearly.
	I did a whole thing like if I were to meet a woman and say, I'm a thief.
	Well, yeah, I stole a couple of candy bars when I was 12.
	Right.
	So it would give them the wrong impression.
	I respect property rights now.
	I'm a good person as far as that goes.
	So I would give people the wrong impression.
	I don't steal anything now.
	And so if it's something for many
	From a long time ago, you've dealt with it, you're over it, you don't do that stuff anymore, it's going to give people the wrong impression, then it is a form of falsehood to introduce yourself in a way that doesn't reflect who you are at the moment.
	So, when you say, Steph, you said don't tell anyone about your past or you don't have to tell anyone about your history, that's not even close to what I said.
	And I just want to make sure that
	That's clear.
	And just in general for people, like if you're going to bring up something that I said, and the first thing you do, and I'm not too mad at you, I'm just pointing this out in general.
	If you want to, Steph, you said on this show, like, please write down what I said.
	If it's not worth you, like if it's important enough for you to really call and care about, then, you know, write down what I said and get it right.
	Because if the first thing you do is mischaracterize what I said,
	That's kind of annoying, if that makes any sense, so I'm happy to continue, but I just sort of wanted to point that out.
	If you want people to... Like, you're bringing up something in the past that's not correct regarding what I said, and what I said was very different.
	I'm just saying this in general, and it's not particularly important to this conversation, but in general, if you're going to bring up something that someone said,
	Don't egregiously mischaracterize it in the beginning.
	Again, I can handle it.
	It's no big deal.
	It's part of being on the internet.
	But I'm talking in your personal life.
	In your personal life, it's going to really annoy people if you mischaracterize what they say at the beginning of the conversation.
	And listen, I'm happy to have the conversation.
	I'm just sort of pointing that out.
	That's a bad habit to misquote people at the beginning of a conversation.
	But go ahead.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm really nervous now.
	Yeah, I did not try to mischaracterize you.
	I was trying to say exactly what you said.
	I guess I didn't have it.
	No, no.
	See, no, no, no.
	Come on, man.
	Own what you did.
	You weren't even remotely trying to characterize what I said accurately.
	And don't play the nervous card either.
	Like, if you were perfectly confident to misquote me, I'm fine with you feeling nervous.
	But then don't say, I had no intention of misquoting you when you misquoted me.
	Because then that, you know, that's trying to portray me as hypersensitive and reactionary and all of that.
	It's like, no, no, no.
	Own it.
	You did misquote me completely.
	And that's fine.
	It's not the end of the world.
	I've just sort of point, but don't, don't be this guy who's like, well, I didn't mean to and I, my intention was to quote you perfectly.
	And it's like, no, no, it wasn't.
	Come on, man.
	Like don't, don't pull that.
	I don't know, half girly stuff with me.
	Right.
	So you misquoted me.
	It's not the end of the world.
	I just wanted to point out that it's not a great habit.
	And if it's important enough to bring up with me, it's probably important enough to be, to be accurate.
	So I'm not trying to slam you.
	I'm not trying to make you feel bad.
	But yeah, don't don't give me this.
	I had no intention of misquoting you and the first thing you did was misquote me.
	So go ahead.
	So the thing is I actually agree with I actually agree with you on that.
	It's just if it's someone that I would want to date and I would want to know their history.
	Just because it's more important for women.
	So, I was thinking in terms of reciprocity, it would be something, if you want to know, then the other person would also want to know, if you know what I'm saying?
	Alright, so you want to know her history, is that right?
	Okay.
	Would you want to read her text messages to an ex-boyfriend?
	No.
	Well, why not?
	Isn't that part of her history?
	It would be
	But I'm more talking about the general lines.
	Okay, so what is it that you want to know?
	You would want to know her body count?
	Yeah, I would say yes.
	Okay, now what if her body count was high but she'd been in therapy for many years and she had dealt with that and she had dealt with maybe the father absence and she'd sort of turned around and
	And reformed, right?
	I mean, would it be as relevant if she'd gone through that process?
	Or if she hadn't gone through that process, and was still sleeping around, would that be more relevant?
	Yes, if she were sleeping around, it would definitely be more relevant.
	But the thing... Okay, but if her past sleeping around was no longer an issue, she dealt with it, and she had repaired or fixed things in herself,
	And had dealt with whatever holiness was leading her to sleep around.
	If she dealt with it and it was in her past, would it be as relevant?
	No.
	Okay, so it would be, for her to tell you she was promiscuous when she's dealt with it and moved on, would be like me saying I'm a thief because I stole some things when I was in my early teens.
	I mean, it's more of an extreme example, but
	It would mischaracterize it if she had former vices that she's dealt with and aren't repeating.
	I think yes, but also there's the thing with the hormones that like the more sexual partners you've had the more likely you are to have divorce after the more you have.
	So, in that way, it's a little different from being a thief, because, like, once you're a thief, like, if you stop, it's whatever.
	It's not whatever, like, it probably still comes up, but I would say, I think that it would be less of a risk.
	All right, and how many girlfriends have you had?
	Just one, and it's a long time ago.
	And how old are you now? 24.
	Yeah.
	24, okay.
	So you've been an adult for six years, and how long of those six years were you in a relationship?
	I guess you could say you've been, some people start dating sort of mid-teens or whatever, right?
	So let's say sort of eight or nine years, and how long of those eight or nine years that you could have been dating, how long have you spent in a relationship?
	It was when I was in high school, so 16, 17 I think.
	Yes, and how long were you in that relationship for?
	A year and a half, two years, something like that.
	Okay.
	So, it has been five years.
	No, 17?
	You're 24, is that right?
	Yeah, it's been a long time.
	Okay, so it's been, what, seven years?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So, you've not been in a relationship for seven years, and you have no
	Experience in an adult relationship, right?
	All right, um I'm back.
	I'm sorry if you were just speaking.
	Yes, so I was just saying that you're seven years Since you had a relationship and you have no experience in an adult relationship Because you were still a kid when you were dating in high school, right?
	Okay, so what do you think a woman would say if you said
	I have no experience in an adult relationship, but I would like to go out with you.
	Okay, try it out.
	I don't know.
	You don't know?
	I probably would say, why not?
	We can try it out.
	Well, no, she wouldn't say, why not, we can try it out, because why not would be, she would want an answer, right?
	So, if she said to you, why haven't you been in a relationship as an adult ever, what would you say?
	Oh, I see.
	Uh... Well, I... I don't... I haven't... And I've never asked myself that question.
	What?
	You've never asked yourself why you've not had an adult relationship?
	I guess I tell myself that I'm just shy and I don't want to... I'm afraid of rejection, yeah, I would say.
	Okay, so you would say, I've not had an adult relationship because I'm afraid of rejection?
	Yes.
	And what would a woman say to that?
	You weren't afraid of me?
	What changed?
	Maybe?
	Well, I mean, we're talking about a real theoretical here.
	How do you think a woman would feel about a man who was afraid to approach women because he was afraid of rejection?
	Would she feel that he would be a good provider, a good person to go out and compete and get resources in the world and a strong protector and so on?
	If he was scared of girls,
	How would a woman feel about having children with him?
	Yeah, that would be a pretty big risk to take.
	Well, it's more than a risk, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	It would be like more of a, well, I don't want to put it that bad, but like a death sentence.
	Well, yeah, I don't know what I mean, but... So, the interesting thing is that you're concerned about a woman's history, right?
	Yes.
	But what about yours?
	This is called projection, right?
	Where you're really concerned... I mean, it's funny because we were just talking about this abstract virtues versus real issues.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	You're very concerned about a woman's history,
	But you don't have any answers for your own.
	Now, I can tell you something else that a woman is going to understand.
	Again, we're talking about a quality woman, right?
	A woman is going to understand if you say, I'm 24, I've never had an adult dating relationship, right?
	Is that fair to say?
	Like if you, have you been on dates since you were a teenager?
	No.
	Okay.
	So you haven't been on dates, right?
	So I can tell you the dominoes that are going to fall into a quality woman's mind.
	She's going to say, okay, most likely a pornography addict.
	Uh, and also, uh, is surrounded by people who haven't encouraged him to deal with this problem.
	Also, he's fine sitting with a pretty disastrous problem and not solving it and not fixing it.
	And then when she asks you.
	Why you haven't dated as an adult and you give her that thousand yard stare and you say, I guess that's never crossed my mind.
	She's, she would also be of concern that you're not self-reflective and, and so on.
	Does this sort of make sense?
	So, I'm not sure it's a woman's history you need to be majorly concerned with at the moment?
	Yeah, I should be trying to fix myself.
	What is so scary about rejection?
	I would say it's probably something to do with my parents.
	You haven't really reflected on this stuff much at all, right?
	No.
	This is not a criticism or anything, I'm just genuinely curious.
	How long have you been listening to what I do?
	It's probably 2021-ish.
	It's been a few years, definitely.
	I mean, I heard of you back in 2016, but I was still too young back then.
	Okay.
	So, you've been listening for a couple of years, and have you listened to call-in shows or anything like that?
	Yeah, every one.
	Oh, of course, yeah, because you were just quoting for the Jamaican guy, right?
	And did it ever say, when I delve into people's history and how it affects their present and so on, did it ever occur to you that this would be a useful process for you to go through?
	I don't mean necessarily with me, but just in general, try and figure out why you are the way you are based on where you came from?
	Yes.
	I'm sorry, can you say that again or rephrase it?
	Well, you listen to me talk to people about their past and how it shapes them into who they are, but you don't really have any answers as to why you're not dating or why you're afraid of rejection so much.
	Like, in other words, you've listened to all of these connections being made between the past and the present.
	Has it never really crossed your mind to say, well,
	I should do that?
	I should try and, you know, I'm listening to these shows with these connections between the past and the present, I should try and figure out that stuff for myself as well?
	Yes, it has.
	But I haven't done it.
	But you haven't really done it, though.
	Like, it's occurred to you, but you haven't really done it, because, again, I'm asking you these things, and you're like, well, you know, I sat down and I wrote out my life, and here's the thing.
	Like, you don't need a call-in show.
	I mean, this is all a process that everyone can do.
	And again, I'm not trying to be Mr. Nagging, I'm just, I'm genuinely curious about
	You know, you're like an overweight guy who keeps watching diet shows and then has never analyzed his own diet or anything like that.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Self-knowledge, man.
	The self-knowledge stuff that Steph puts out is great!
	Well, why are you the way you are?
	I have no idea.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Like, it's interesting to me.
	It's kind of a disconnect, right?
	I'm feeling sad now.
	You're feeling sorry what?
	Right.
	Well, no, it's good.
	You're only 24.
	I mean, it'd be a lot worse to figure that stuff out at 34 or 44.
	And I've even had people at 54 call in without knowing this stuff.
	Right.
	So you're young enough to sort it out.
	I just got to sit down and write down.
	I know you recommended talk therapy to me previously, and I never really did that.
	Never did, actually.
	There's no really.
	And again, nobody has to do anything I recommend, of course, but why not?
	I never got to it.
	Procrastination, I would say, is the answer for that one.
	Right.
	So, if you do keep procrastinating, what does your life look like in six years when you're 30?
	Probably the same, except more lonely.
	Right.
	Right.
	So, is it fair to say that... I mean, do you have much social contact?
	Do you chat with people much at all?
	Recently, it's been a whole lot better, but
	It's on and off.
	I've been going to meetups.
	And do you... Okay, and do you speak with your family of origin?
	Do you have a relationship with mom and dad?
	I would like to defoo, it's... I just haven't yet.
	I speak to them when they speak to me, but otherwise I don't.
	Like, they'll call me every now and then, but it's really not that often.
	Stop by my house.
	Right.
	So, I get that you're angry.
	And frustrated.
	And you feel a little trapped and hopeless.
	Yeah.
	I think frustration is probably pretty high on that list, right?
	That, and maybe hopelessness.
	Right.
	So, just so you understand, so when you called me up and misquoted me, you were trying to provoke in me the feelings that you weren't experiencing yourself.
	That's called passive aggression.
	And again, it's not a criticism, I'm just sort of pointing out the mechanics, right?
	So, you misquote me, and that's because you're feeling angry and frustrated.
	I assume that people misquote you, your parents misquote you, they remember things differently, they don't listen.
	And the other thing, of course, is that if you're a long-time listener,
	And you're calling up with no self-knowledge.
	That's anger towards me as well.
	Just so you understand, right?
	Because I don't want you to feel helpless, right?
	Because I know that you probably feel kind of helpless and weak and so on, right?
	But do you know what you're doing when you call up sounding kind of weak and helpless and then misquoting me and then say you've been listening for a while?
	Frustrating for you?
	Well, you're discrediting philosophy.
	Because I've been listening for so long.
	You're like a fat guy.
	You're like a fat guy.
	You know, you're like a fat guy coming up and saying, Hey man, you wrote this great book on dieting.
	I've been following your dieting book for years and you're a fat guy.
	So what are you doing?
	Well, you're trying to discredit the diet, right?
	And when you call up and say, well, I'm really concerned about women's history when you haven't had a date in seven years.
	That shows a lack of self-knowledge that means you're trapped between you're mad at your parents and you're mad at me!
	And I understand that.
	I'm not criticizing you for that.
	I'm not blaming you for any of that.
	But calling up with this lack of self-knowledge, asking me for feedback on something that is not an issue in your life,
	You don't have a whole bunch of women and you're like, well, I want to choose the woman with the best history, right?
	Right.
	That's not even a thing in your life.
	You don't have anyone to choose from, right?
	Yeah.
	How do I filter women to make sure I get the ones with the best history and I haven't had a date in seven years?
	And again, I'm not trying to put you down, I'm just trying to be really blunt here, right?
	And why would you, I mean you don't take my advice anyway, either in terms of general self-knowledge or in terms of go-to-therapy, so you don't take my advice, so why are you calling me for advice?
	And again, I know this sounds hostile, I don't mean it that way, I'm genuinely curious, right?
	I mean if you haven't listened to the hundreds of shows you may have listened to on self-knowledge,
	And you haven't taken any advice to go to talk therapy, why are you calling me for advice?
	Is it because I'm trying to make you get that feeling of helplessness that I have?
	Well, and the audience too, right?
	Because you're not emailing me.
	It's a public forum, right?
	Right.
	I just think, every time I think of trying to do something, I make up a whole lot of excuses for myself.
	Sure, I get that.
	And that's another excuse, isn't it?
	Well, people like to think that an explanation is the answer, right?
	So, like, if you're overweight, you say, well, the explanation is that I snack at night on sugar, right?
	That's why I'm overweight, because I drink soda, right?
	I drink pop.
	That's why I'm overweight, okay?
	Is that the solution?
	No.
	No.
	I mean, that's a reason, but the solution is what?
	Stop drinking soda.
	Stop drinking pop!
	Right!
	Right.
	But you're not even yet at the place where you're trying to find the reasons as to why you are the way you are, right?
	And again, no criticism.
	I'm enthusiastic for you to get a great life.
	I really am.
	But you're calling me up to avoid your problems.
	Well, but you know, how do I, my potential partner's history is really important to me, right?
	That's not even close to your problem.
	So you're calling me up to avoid your problems, and I don't like that.
	It's probably why I was mildly annoyed at the beginning, right?
	Yeah.
	And I don't want you to use the community in that way.
	It's not really great or beneficial or helpful for you to have a public conversation with a change agent in order to avoid changing your life, right?
	And again, I know that so many times people are like mad and hostile and how dare you?
	I'm not, I don't mean any of that.
	I don't mean any of that.
	I mean, I'm obviously, as I'm always trying to be committed to your very best and potential self, right?
	Thank you.
	So, what is the problem that you want to ask me about that you're avoiding by talking about potential dates history?
	Oh, this is something I know, I'm sure.
	I'm sorry?
	I want to say I don't know, but... No, that's fine.
	Listen, I'm fine with you not knowing.
	I'm not, you know, I'm not going to try and pull something out of you and I certainly don't want you to make anything up.
	So why did you call if you don't know what you want to ask?
	And again, I'm not saying you shouldn't call.
	Why are you calling if you don't know what your problems are?
	What I wanted to ask was about the dating history.
	I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand the question.
	Yes, but why?
	Because, no, that's not even close to your biggest problem, right?
	You don't have any dates, you don't have any potential dates, you have never dated as an adult.
	So, your potential dates, potential dating history, is not even close to the top 100 of your issues, right?
	Why did you call?
	Now, you could have been like, well, Steph wants someone to call.
	I guess I have this question.
	You could have been trying to please me because, you know, I was asking for calls.
	I mean, it could be, you could be being nice in that sense in a way.
	I mean, I'm not, you know, there's nothing negative in what you're doing.
	I'm just curious.
	No, I usually don't take part of the live streams I joined today just because of that.
	Okay.
	That's not it.
	All right.
	And you don't have to have an answer.
	I'm just saying that it's important to know why you're doing things, right?
	Because here's the thing too.
	So you misquote me and then you claim that you had no intention and there was gas lighting and fogging and all this kind of stuff, right?
	Do you think that's attractive in someone?
	It's really not.
	What's come into mind... It's really nice.
	...is I want, like, a kick in the butt.
	Okay, good.
	So you called me because I'm, like, one of the few people who is gonna give you a benevolent kick in the butt, right?
	Good, okay.
	So this is your kick in the butt.
	Get your shit together and get your life started!
	Yeah.
	Stop being so scared of girls!
	My God, you wouldn't even be here to be scared of girls if every one of your forefathers was too scared of girls to have a date!
	Stop assuming that all females are abusive.
	Because that's an insult and that lets your mom win.
	And it's an insult to girls.
	Work on your virtue to the point
	Work on your virtue and your quality to the point where if a woman rejects you, it's her loss.
	I mean, believe it or not, ladies and gentlemen, I've had women who've rejected me over the course of my life.
	Like, believe it or not, I've been heartbroken, I've been rejected, I've been cast aside, I've been stepped over over the course of my life by women, right?
	How did you
	In fact, some of the women were in charge of social media companies where I had my life's work put, right?
	Wasn't it a woman who was in charge of YouTube?
	Right?
	So yes, I have been rejected and have my life's work eviscerated by females, right?
	Now, I'm a great husband.
	I'm a great dad.
	I'm a decent provider.
	I have lots of positive attributes and skills.
	So if you have a great work of art and people don't want it, it's because they don't know what great art is.
	It's a shame that they don't know what great art is, so yes, the people who've rejected me, why do they reject me?
	Because they can't see quality.
	But you don't have the quality
	Yet, I'm sure you can, but you don't have the quality yet that has you go up to women and if they reject you say, yeah, I'm sorry that you don't see quality.
	I guess you can go back to your motorcycle guys, or your drug guys, or your drinking guys, or your pretty boys who won't commit, right?
	I'm sorry, it's really tragic.
	Like, believe it or not, damn, I can't believe I'm saying this.
	Believe it or not, there are people out there in the world who are not listening to this show.
	There are people out in the world who never listen to this show.
	I'm sorry that they can't see quality.
	I really am.
	I think it's a real shame.
	This is the best show in the world.
	Bar none.
	And there's not even a close second.
	This is the best show in the world.
	There are people out there who don't listen.
	And you heard of me in 2015, 2016 and whatever.
	That's fine.
	You didn't start listening until 2021 and now you're listening but not doing.
	So you get a dim sense of quality but you're using it
	To procrastinate.
	I'm going to listen to philosophy, that way I don't have to do philosophy.
	I'm going to be entertained by philosophy, so I don't have to enact philosophy.
	I'm going to observe, so I don't have to do.
	I'm going to look, so I don't have to act.
	I'm going to listen, so I don't have to say or speak the truth.
	People who don't listen.
	And I think to all the people who don't listen,
	To this show.
	I'm like, I'm sorry that you can't see the quality.
	I really am.
	I think it's very, very sad that people can't see the quality.
	I'm continually astounded by the quality of what we're able to do, both as me as an individual and us collectively.
	I'm really constantly astounded and impressed by the quality of what we're doing here.
	You know, like Tim was saying about my.
	Speech is the black single mother to her woke daughter.
	It's like, yeah, that could have come out of a novel or a movie and it was right off the top of your head.
	I'm like, yeah, that was really good.
	You know, the, all the stuff I was doing earlier in this show about the bonding and the abstract values and, and all of that.
	And I mean, incredible, amazing.
	I mean, how, how much that pops the focus of the world into clarity.
	Right.
	And this is, you know, I'm 43 years into philosophy, 42 years into philosophy.
	I'm still coming up with new stuff, great stuff, useful stuff.
	Even this conversation, I think, is different for people.
	So, I'm really sorry that people can't see the quality of what's going on here.
	I think it's sad.
	Because it's not like people aren't consuming a lot of internet media.
	No, they'd rather watch Chunk Yogurt yell at Tim Pool, I guess, right?
	You know, Tim's fine or whatever, right?
	But it's not what we're doing here.
	You work on your quality to the point where you're sorry for the people who don't see who you are.
	And then you're not afraid of rejection.
	Like, yes, there are people who don't listen to this show.
	There are people who dip in and never listen again.
	And that's really sad.
	Because it's the best show there is.
	And probably the best show there ever will be.
	At least that's my standard.
	Like, people can say, oh, that's grandiose or whatever.
	Well, that's my standard.
	My standard is to be the best show in the history of the world, because let's say I do achieve some fantastic stuff, which I know I have, but let's say I achieve all this fantastic stuff, everything after that will have this as an example.
	So it will never be as good.
	Will never be as good.
	You know, the guy who punches through the wall, the second guy goes through the wall, there's already a hole from the first guy.
	He doesn't have to be as strong.
	So I'm just telling you my goal, my aim, and what I
	What my standard is to be the best show in human history, best conversation in human history.
	So yeah, there are people who don't listen.
	There are people who are like, oh, that's terrible.
	You see these comments.
	It's like, oh, why would you take advice from this terrible guy?
	But look, I'm really sorry that people can't see quality.
	I mean, it's sad.
	It's sad for me that people can't see quality.
	You know, there are people who listen to the most beautiful classical music and are like, well, that's just noise to me.
	And then they, I don't know,
	We've all known women or men who choose bad partners rather than good partners.
	I mean I just, believe it or not, I read Britney Spears' autobiography.
	Well, okay, but she's, she is a cultural icon.
	She's had a huge impact on the world.
	And I'm curious what her life is like.
	It's a very different kind of unusual life.
	And boy, oh boy, I'll do a whole review of this book, but talk about Simon, the boxer man.
	She was terrified of being under the control of her abusive father.
	And where did she end up with in a 13 year conceivership under the control of her abusive father?
	Oh my God.
	That's a repetition compulsion almost beyond words.
	And Marlon Brando was the same way!
	His father was completely irresponsible and terrible at business, so Marlon Brando is, hey, like, you manage my millions of dollars and invest in stuff that's gonna go bankrupt.
	That's why he had to keep doing these shitty movies throughout the 60s, because his father kept blowing all his money on stupid investments.
	So, you're scared of women,
	Because right now, they're right.
	Right now, are you of a high enough quality, do you have enough to offer, that a high quality woman will run to you?
	No.
	You're not scared that women will reject you, you're scared they're right!
	Yeah.
	To reject you.
	Am I wrong?
	No.
	Can you stand in front of a quality woman and say, you should choose me over everyone else?
	A woman who's got options, a woman who's got choices, a woman who's attractive, who's funny, who's good-natured, who's intelligent, who's well-read, who's curious, who's virtuous.
	Can you stand in front of that woman and say, well of course you should pick me.
	Your life will be immeasurably improved by being with me.
	Can you say that?
	No.
	Right.
	You're not scared of women.
	You're scared that they're right in not wanting you.
	And there's only one solution to that, right?
	Fixing myself.
	Yeah, and prove yourself to the point where you can stand in front of a quality woman and say, well of course you should choose me.
	In the same way my wife stood in front of me and said, well of course you should choose me, and she was right, and I was right, and it's been great!
	Because men say, I'm afraid of rejection, and that's not even close to true.
	There's no man out there who's afraid of rejection, because you can always get some woman to go out with you, right?
	You just have to keep going lower and lower and lower until you find some woman to go out with you, right?
	Am I wrong?
	No.
	No, you're not afraid of rejection by women.
	You're afraid of rejection by quality women because that really stings, right?
	Then it's like, well, I'm not quality enough to attract and keep and woo and wed a quality woman.
	Again, if I'm off the mark, tell me, but you sound kind of down on yourself and you don't sound like you feel like you have much to offer.
	Is that fair to say?
	I feel like I have a lot, but I'm not using my potential.
	Okay, so tell me what you have to offer a quality woman.
	And I know that sounds skeptical, I'm happy to hear, I'm perfectly happy to hear.
	I think financial stability to begin with, and then I have, well, philosophy, so I have ethics and morals.
	I don't know how to phrase it.
	Just truth.
	Yeah.
	That's what I can think of.
	Okay.
	Would you like to hear the skeptical case?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So the skeptical case is, okay, so you've got some money.
	Well, of course, a woman can get money from the state, or she can get money from her own career, so that's not a huge plus.
	I mean, it's nice if she wants to have kids and all of that, if you're a good owner.
	Truth?
	You don't even know why you called me!
	You called me with a total misquote of what I said.
	Yeah, I saw that coming.
	And then you gaslit me about all of that, and then you say I have philosophy, but you're not doing any philosophy!
	And this is great news!
	Because if you have all of these wonderful things, but women don't choose you, then women are just unable to see quality and they're bad, right?
	Yeah.
	Because you understand, the MGTOW thing has a lot to do with men who don't have a lot to offer women, saying, well, women just can't see quality.
	It's like, no, they can.
	You think we've evolved to be the top of the food chain because women have no idea what quality is?
	Women can see quality, they just can't see it in you.
	Oh, well that's because women are just trashy and shallow and gynocentric and hypergamy and Truffaut's Law.
	But it's like, well, maybe, just maybe, maybe women can see quality and that ain't you yet.
	So rather than say, how can I improve so that a woman of quality will really want me, they say, well, women can't see quality and women are bad and women are trashy and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
	Right.
	So are you a direct and honest person?
	No.
	And you don't even know why you are the way you are, which again, at 24, I understand.
	I'm not, I'm not trying to nag on you or bag on you or anything like that.
	But if you think you have philosophy and you're direct and honest, when you open up with me, with a misquote and then a gaslight, that's not direct and honest.
	And a quality person isn't going to want to spend the rest of her life trying to correct your manipulations and falsifications.
	And the business of a young man is to date girls, right?
	Am I wrong?
	The business of a young man is to date girls!
	Why do we get jobs?
	To date girls!
	Why do we buy cars?
	To date girls!
	Why do we dress up?
	To date girls!
	Why do we have hair gel?
	To date girls!
	Right?
	The business of a young man is to date girls!
	And you're not doing that!
	And you don't even know why!
	So that's good news!
	Because if you're doing everything perfectly, I'm confident, direct, honest, virtuous, I exercise, I've got a good job, I like talking to women, but women just keep rejecting me, then you'd have a big problem, right?
	So it's really good news.
	Like, I use this analogy in my Peaceful Parenting book where I say, if you're gaining weight and it's because you're eating a thousand extra calories a day,
	That's good news because it means you know how to solve the problem.
	If, however, you're only eating 1,500 calories a day or 1,200 calories a day and you're gaining weight like crazy, that means you have a serious medical problem, right?
	If you're doing everything right but everything's going wrong, that's a total disaster.
	If you're not doing everything right and things are going wrong, that's fantastic news.
	Does that make sense?
	I mean, you know, the way that you communicate.
	It's very monotone.
	Feel on the other side.
	Very monotone, very hopeless, very negative, very despairing, right?
	Right.
	And this is why when you, how do I pick the right girl with the right history out of all of the girls that I have chasing me?
	How do I?
	I'm like, come on, man.
	Are you kidding me?
	You've got to be kidding me!
	Okay, I need to have more pep in my voice.
	Well, I mean, that's annoying too.
	Do you know why?
	Because that's the surface correction and I'm about root problems, right?
	More pep in your voice wouldn't hurt.
	But you've got to figure out why are you presenting yourself with this dull, negative, empty style?
	Who are you trying to keep away by being dull, negative, monotone guy?
	Who does it serve?
	Does it serve you to be that empty in your communication style?
	Is that serving you well in your life?
	Feels like I'm trying to keep everyone away.
	Yes, now, does it benefit you to keep everyone away?
	No.
	So, who does it benefit that you're alone?
	Who does it benefit that you drive people away with your mosquito tinnitus monotone tone?
	My parents.
	That's right, of course it does.
	Because if you're around healthy, normal, positive people, and they look at your parents, what do they say?
	They're going to say, oh wow, that's not someone I'd want to be around.
	Right.
	Girlfriend wouldn't want them as parents-in-law.
	Girlfriend's wife wouldn't want them raising your kids.
	And also, because they kind of crush the life out of you, I assume,
	Every time they're around, she loses everything she finds appealing about her mate!
	I mean, this is a fundamental question I had to ask myself.
	Am I more attractive when I'm with my mom?
	And what was the answer?
	No.
	No.
	No.
	No.
	Not at all, right?
	And I'm like, sorry.
	If you make me less attractive, I'll try and fix that.
	If I can't fix that, buh-bye.
	Does that make sense?
	You can't have people around you who make you less attractive!
	Yeah.
	You can't have people around you who drag you down!
	You can't have people around you who you have to appease with emptiness and depression!
	I mean, you can, but it's not much of a life, is it?
	No.
	I mean, be appealing, be funny, take risks, be animated.
	Why not?
	I mean, what's the option?
	To just go through life like a half-crushed bug murmuring out of your armpit?
	That's kind of what it feels like.
	I know!
	Listen, I've been there, I've been there.
	You don't think I've wanted to stifle my light from time to time?
	Because that light sometimes seems to be a great place to draw in an airstrike from low orbit.
	Oh just be less charismatic!
	Oh just be less funny!
	Oh just be less animated!
	They'll leave you alone!
	Right?
	I understand.
	I understand.
	Because you're asking people to accept you when you reject yourself.
	You're asking for someone to be attracted to you when
	You don't find yourself that appealing.
	Does that make sense?
	Yeah.
	So someone meets you, right?
	They don't know you from Adam, right?
	They don't know you at all.
	They don't know you're a blank slate.
	They don't know you, right?
	But they gotta judge you.
	Of course they have to judge you.
	Just as you have to judge people, because that was your first question, right?
	So people don't know you, right?
	When I talk to you, I don't know you.
	I mean, you say we've talked before, of course, I'm sure that's right, but you're just a guy I let on the show, right?
	It's fine.
	I don't know you, right?
	So then when you kind of talk like this and don't really have much, like no energy, right?
	So I don't know you, but you know you, right?
	And what are you telling me about yourself?
	That I talk like this and have no energy.
	Well, that you don't find yourself interesting at all!
	You don't enjoy your own company, you don't enjoy your own thoughts, and you don't care enough about me to not be a monotone on an audio-only show.
	Or to accurately quote me.
	Or to take ownership when you don't accurately quote me.
	So what are you communicating?
	You're communicating
	That you're kind of in here for some reason that doesn't make any particular sense, and you're misquoting me, which you know is annoying, and that you won't take ownership of it, and then you monotone, right?
	Do you enjoy your own company?
	Do you enjoy the activity of your own mind?
	How so?
	Like, what I think about?
	Okay, so do you enjoy the thoughts that you have?
	Like so this morning I woke up and I wanted to get a little bit more sleep.
	I woke up and but this idea about bonding and abstractions and virtues was just rolling around in my brain.
	And it was, I'm just, I just lay there thinking about this, and I knew I had a show today, right?
	So I lay there thinking about this thought, right?
	Now occasionally, oh, sometimes I can worry about this or that, you know, as everyone happens.
	But the operations of my own brain are fascinating to me.
	I really like my own thoughts.
	I find them engaging and interesting, and I'm enthusiastic about sharing them.
	I like my brain.
	I like my brain.
	I like, I love being in my brain.
	I love what it does.
	I love what we do together.
	And I enjoy myself, if that makes sense.
	Are you enthusiastic about being who you are?
	I feel like there isn't that much that goes on in my brain.
	It's just very lost.
	Same old, same old.
	Right.
	Right.
	Right.
	Same old, same old, which you prefer, because it would be to the negative of your parents to break out of the rut, right?
	Which is why you haven't gone to therapy, right?
	Yeah.
	Which is why you call me up when I talk about how ridiculous theoretical ethical issues are.
	You call me up about how to vet a girlfriend when you've never dated as an adult, right?
	I mean, it's kind of funny when you think about it, right?
	Right.
	Abstract virtues and values are a real distraction from a lack of bonding.
	Well, Steph, if I, you know, I haven't dated as an adult, but how am I going to vet all of these women?
	Now, if nothing was going on in your brain, really, you wouldn't be listening to the show and you wouldn't be calling in.
	So there's stuff that's going on in your brain.
	It's just inconvenient to the people who raised you.
	See, here's the thing, man.
	If you're not loved growing up, the only way to end up loving yourself is to say the fuck you to the people who didn't see your quality.
	Self-respect comes after anger at all the people who disrespected you.
	And most people are too frightened to go through the angry phase because they feel like it's going crazy or they're going to go lunatic or too aggressive.
	So all the people who didn't respect me when I was growing up and who didn't love me at growing up, well fuck them, they were wrong.
	I'm eminently worthy of respect and I'm eminently worthy of love.
	But you gotta go through that fuck you to the people who don't see your quality in order to see your own quality.
	Does this make sense?
	Yeah.
	So you call me up with these giant logs on your legs saying,
	Not saying, Steph, I got these locks on my leg, but saying, well, Steph, uh, when I become a long distance hurdler, I guess I'm concerned how my knees should go over the third hurdle.
	You are interesting to yourself.
	Now, if you become interesting to yourself, then the people who ignored you were assholes.
	The people who oppressed you, the people who insulted you, the people who put you down were just wrong and assholes.
	And you've got to go through the phase, if you've been disrespected over the course of your childhood, you've got to go through the phase of being angry.
	Because if they're right, and you're not worthy of any respect or energy or love or enthusiasm from anyone around you, if they're right, then you're just going to go through life holding your own flame at bay and piss on everyone else's fire.
	But if you can get angry at being disrespected, then you can end up worthy of respect.
	Does that make sense?
	Yes.
	Justin says, wow, that angry phrase.
	Fuck them.
	They were wrong for not seeing my quality.
	That is exactly what I have experienced.
	Incredible insight.
	Thank you, Steph.
	Oh my gosh.
	Do you think, I mean, I got the most incredible reviews for my novels.
	Nobody would publish them.
	I'm not a bad actor, as you can hear from my audiobooks.
	It was tough to get any work.
	Everybody recognized my brain when I was in undergraduate and graduate school.
	Nobody was enthusiastic to mentor me.
	Do you think I've not gone through life with people not seeing my quality?
	Now, either they're right and I'm delusional, in which case I'm crazy and I don't have the quality I think I have, or they're assholes for not being able to see quality.
	Not everyone who can't see quality is an asshole, but the people whose job it is to see quality who don't see quality, they're frauds, right?
	Not everybody... Right, yeah.
	I don't have to be good at criticizing art unless I'm an art critic, and that's my job.
	Sure.
	And it's the job of parents to find their children interesting.
	Of course it is.
	Of course it is.
	I mean, I've spent most of my life prior to this show outside of the business world.
	In the business world, they saw my quality because it made lots of money, right?
	My software made lots of money.
	So people saw that.
	And people could have made lots of money off my books, but they were too leftist and indoctrinated and hostile to everything that I was writing.
	And it was a whole sense of life thing too.
	I mean, modern novels are horror shows of dysfunction and my novels were
	Hymns of possibility.
	So listen, I understand what it's like to have people not see your quality.
	I really, really understand what that's like.
	If it wasn't for the internet I could have gone from birth to grave, and I probably would have, with no one outside of my immediate current family seeing my quality.
	Outside of money makers and outside of the people who love me for who I am.
	But I have quality, of course, I mean, I have the numbers, if all else fails, right?
	I have the numbers, like a billion views and downloads, by far the biggest reach of philosophy in all of human history.
	Like, without a doubt, the biggest reach of philosophy in all of human history has come out of these little vocal cords, and this little face, and this not so long forehead.
	Right?
	So, I had to believe that I had something of value to offer when everybody was telling me the exact opposite
	For like 30 fucking years straight.
	Well, no more than that.
	I started the show when I was like 40.
	So, you know, for as long as I could remember, people would not see my quality.
	And in fact, were hostile to what I was doing.
	I mean, they were incredibly hostile towards me in theater school.
	They loved me at the beginning and they said, Oh, you should forget the writing stuff.
	You're a great writer, but man, as acting goes, you should just go straight for acting.
	You're fantastic.
	Then they found out about my politics and they just hated me.
	Somebody says, now you sell yourself short.
	Even without the internet, you would have found a way to get out to us.
	Newspapers, like Dave Barry.
	Okay, you're annoying too.
	Sorry, the person who's writing this.
	Don't tell me about my life of trying to get people to see my quality, brother.
	Don't even try.
	Don't fucking try.
	You don't know the struggles.
	You don't know how hard I've had to work to get the world to see my quality.
	Don't tell me I sell myself short.
	Don't insult me by saying that I'm selling myself short.
	Oh, I would have just written a humor column like Dave Barry.
	I'm not Dave Barry.
	I'm not a fucking humorist.
	I'm a philosopher and an artist.
	And I tried.
	I went to theater school.
	I made a movie.
	I wrote 30 plays.
	I wrote a half a dozen novels.
	I self-published, I took Canada's most advanced writing course, I had an agent.
	Oh, you sell yourself short, man, you'd have found a way to do it!
	Yes, of course, I mean, the internet, yeah, once I don't have gatekeepers, and it's funny because all the gatekeepers that are supposed to be able to see quality, I mean, I can't even tell you, like, I can't tell you the
	Massive insults that I as a thinker and an artist received prior to the internet.
	One day I'll go into it.
	But the amount of hostility that I receive, well you see the hostility that I receive from the gatekeepers at the moment, right?
	The gatekeepers in various social media platforms, the hostility that I receive.
	I mean that's been a pattern, right?
	So the fact that I've struggled myself my way through and I know where the limitations are,
	And you're going to tell me about a 55 year struggle, and you're going to tell me, oh Steph, you were wrong, you'd have found a way.
	Oh my God, man.
	Man alive.
	See, don't tell people about their lives when they have deep self-knowledge without asking first.
	This is a really fundamental thing.
	Don't, if you've got deep self-knowledge, and other people tell you about your life without asking anything, they just come across as like,
	Kind of self-obsessed, self-centered jerks.
	This is the day for straight-up honest feedback, right?
	If I go up to someone who's got a half a century invested in the study of physics, and I tell them all about physics without ever asking them about their knowledge?
	That's kind of self-centered, right?
	So when I'm telling you that there was a great risk that I would have gone from birth to grave without leaving any social or artistic or philosophical impact, and you say, no, no, no, you would have because you would have written jokes for a newspaper.
	Oh, come on, man.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Oh, my gosh, it's wild.
	You're being petty, Steph, again.
	No, no, now you're telling me again.
	I'm telling you all about my struggles and all the things I've not talked about.
	I'm giving you new information and now you're just saying I'm being petty.
	So you're doing it again, right?
	You're not asking me any questions.
	You're not saying, you know, maybe that was premature because you obviously have a lot of stuff that's gone on.
	Tell me more.
	Nope.
	You're like, oh no, now Steph, you're being petty.
	And that's fine.
	Listen, you can, you can do all of that.
	You can, I mean, I honestly, I don't care.
	I'll forget about this five minutes after the show is done, but I'm just saying that for you, if somebody expresses a great concern based upon bitter multi-decade experience, and you tell the person, no, you're wrong.
	You're wrong about your life, Steph.
	You're wrong about your life.
	I'm telling you what my life has been like.
	And I'm 57.
	I've got some experience.
	I've been doing philosophy for over 40 years.
	In the artistic world, in the business world, in the podcast, video, interview, live speeches world, in the academic world for many years, a postgraduate.
	So I've been doing philosophy for many years.
	I have a lot of experience in the hostility that institutions have towards philosophy.
	And I'm telling you what I think would probably have happened.
	You're like, no, Steph, you're wrong.
	Cause Dave Barry is funny.
	I'm just telling you, don't tell people about their lives when they have a lot of knowledge and experience.
	Don't tell them they're wrong about their lives when they have a lot of knowledge and experience and self-knowledge.
	Comment was a compliment.
	The internet is smaller than your life.
	Sorry you took it another way.
	So when, so, okay, DT, I'll play this game.
	So when you say, let me just get the right phrase here.
	I don't want to misquote you after saying to the guy, misquoting, right?
	So now I'm just misinterpreting.
	It was a compliment, but apparently I'm just paranoid.
	I'm just paranoid and can't handle a compliment, right?
	So you said, nah, you sell yourself short.
	Even without the internet, you'd have found a way to get out to us, newspaper, like Dave Barry.
	So you're telling me about my whole life and my multi-decade struggle to get my ideas, arguments, and art out to the world, facing constant rejection, decade after decade.
	So I'm talking with a lot of experience here.
	You say, now you sell yourself short.
	So selling yourself short is not a compliment.
	Oh, you don't trust yourself.
	You'd have done better than you think.
	You're down on yourself.
	You're too negative on your possibility.
	That's not a compliment.
	That's saying that you sell yourself short is not a compliment.
	It's saying that I have.
	An inaccurate view of my own life and own possibilities after decades of struggle and sometimes violent rejection.
	Right?
	I mean, you know when I was going to give public speeches, I got bomb threats and death threats, right?
	You know that, right?
	You know that when I was out there with Miss Southern and people attacked the stage, right?
	Had to be tackled by security.
	Oh no, but you sell yourself short Steph, you'd have found a way!
	I just think it's funny.
	I just think it's funny.
	Don't tell people about their lives prior to asking them.
	So if someone says something like, you know, I think it's a pretty genuine, it's a fairly high risk that I never, without the internet, that I never would have been able to get my ideas out to the world.
	over the course of my life now maybe after my lifetime I used to like honestly I used to have these visions of me on my deathbed saying to loved ones please just get my novels out there promise me you will get my poems out there please so if I'm telling you something I've got you know good self-knowledge if I'm telling you my genuine deep life experience
	That without the internet, I mean, I did this for decades without the internet, right?
	If I am telling you about my deep life experience and you want to get to know someone and you want to respect and honor what they're saying, and I think I've earned that, you say, tell me more.
	You don't just blithely say, oh, you're totally mistaken about your entire life.
	Yeah, you're wrong.
	You're just selling yourself short.
	And just saying it's annoying.
	It's annoying and it's off-putting.
	And that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.
	I'm just telling you that I'm a quality person, and the response of a quality person, when they're telling you about a deep agony of their life, saying, Oh, you're mistaken about that!
	You would have been fine!
	Because Dave Barry got published!
	Dave Barry?
	He's a funny guy!
	Do you think people threatened him with explosions and murder when he gave speeches?
	Do you think Dave Barry?
	I mean, this is PJ O'Rourke!
	I mean, I remember going to see P.G.
	O'Rourke read from one of his books, and everybody loved the guy.
	Yeah, he came out for drinks, and they laughed, and he's a very good reader and a good writer.
	That's not... You understand that I have a lot of experience with this stuff, and if you're going to say to me about the struggle of many decades of my life, oh, you're just wrong.
	You're just wrong about... I'm just telling you, I know I'm not wrong.
	And so you're just vain and uncurious because you're vain because you're telling me that you know my life way better than I do and that I'm mistaken about something I put massive amounts of thought, time, attention and risk into.
	I'm just wrong.
	You're not asking any questions.
	I'm just telling you that it's not how to get to know people.
	That's all.
	To ask questions, to be humble, to try to get to know someone.
	And again, you know,
	I get this as a chance comment.
	I'm just saying this is not relevant or it's not important to this particular live stream.
	It is important in your life that you try to find a way to stop indulging the vanity that says you can tell other people about their life struggles way better than they know them themselves.
	Because that's off-putting and it's vain.
	Because you don't.
	I mean, you've listened to me.
	When I have call-in shows, I spend an hour, hour and a half sometimes just asking questions.
	With this guy on the call, appreciate the call today.
	I'm asking questions.
	I'm not just saying to him, well, you're wrong.
	Oh, you're selling yourself short.
	You're fine.
	You're good.
	Yeah.
	It's not the way your life's not the way you think it is at all.
	I'm asking questions.
	Why?
	Because I genuinely want to get to know people.
	I don't want to just come across as smarmy and superior.
	So, my friend on the line, will you think about talk therapy?
	Yes.
	My excuse was that I didn't have time, but now I'm making time to go places, so I'm gonna... Well, if you don't have time for talk therapy, which is an hour or two a week maybe, you certainly don't have time to date, right?
	In which case there's no point calling me to ask how you've had a date, right?
	Yeah.
	If you've got time to date, brother, you've got time for therapy.
	So, all right.
	Will you keep me posted about how it's going?
	Do you think, uh, I'm sorry, I'm not answering the question.
	Yes.
	Um, all right.
	But do you think, uh, you can do that online?
	That's something that can be done?
	Oh yeah, you can just email me, call in at freedomain.com.
	Let me know how things are going and all of that.
	I care what happens to your life.
	That wasn't my question.
	Can you do talk therapy online?
	Oh, I mean, I assume you can.
	I'm sure that there are many people who offer that.
	My therapy, there wasn't really internet for that when I was doing therapy, but I'm pretty sure you can.
	Okay.
	Thank you very much, Stephen.
	Sorry for all the trouble I caused you.
	Hey, it's not trouble, man.
	I appreciate that, and you did really, really beautifully on the call, and I appreciate your frankness and willingness to listen.
	I really, really do thank you for the call, and thank you, everyone, for a great call.
	Sorry we didn't get to Matthew Perry, but we will do him at some point.
	Also, Britney Spears.
	Boy, we are really gonna go.
	Low-rent celebrity.
	Aldo!
	Low rents?
	Nah, that's unfair.
	All right, so freedomain.com slash donate if you're listening to this later, really appreciate that.
	Have yourself a wonderful Sunday, everyone.
	Lots of love from up here.
	Thank you, everyone, for the greatest conversation the world has ever seen, and I think ever will see.
	Take care, everyone.
	Bye!

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