Oct. 23, 2021 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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| So I did a show with my daughter about this, and my daughter said that the armorer on the Alec Baldwin film set probably wasn't ready. | |
| And that's a 12-year-old. | |
| And now, today, I guess as of last night, it comes out the 24-year-old armorer who had doubts before being put in charge of guns on Alec Baldwin film set. | |
| Where he shot cinematographer dead after some crew walked out over safety, and the quote from the 24-year-old woman, barely out of girlhood, she said, I wasn't sure if I was ready. | |
| So Hannah Guterres-Reed and assistant director David Halls were named in a search warrant on Friday. | |
| Guterres-Reed, 24, laid out three guns, and Halls picked up a cult pistol and handed it to Baldwin. | |
| Cold gun, shouted Halls, a veteran assistant director who worked on Fargo and The Matrix reloaded. | |
| When Baldwin pulled the trigger, a bullet was fired, killing the cinematographer and injuring the director. | |
| So how on earth would a 24-year-old girl get this job? | |
| That's a big question, right? | |
| How on earth would a 24-year-old girl get the job of keeping people alive and In a Western... | |
| Now, Westerns are pretty difficult to shoot. | |
| I think they're actually worse than sci-fi. | |
| Sci-fi is more action-packed, but it's more CGI. Westerns, you've got horses, you've got guns, you've got blades, you've got stunts, physical stunts and so on. | |
| It's a pretty dangerous environment. | |
| A 24-year-old girl, how on earth would she get this job that she didn't feel she was ready for? | |
| Well... She got the job because of her daddy. | |
| Gutierrez Reed is the daughter of legendary Hollywood armor, Athel Reed, who trained her from a young age. | |
| Yeah. So, her daddy was really good at his job, and I suppose, what, did he ask, would someone mind hiring her as a favor? | |
| Like, why would you give? A 24-year-old woman this job? | |
| Was it like, oh, it's the next generation, like Theranos. | |
| You know, women need to be in this field. | |
| I say quite a lot like Theranos, actually. | |
| Anyway, so Guterres-Reed had recently served as the head armorer on a film for the first time, which was a film called The Old Way, starring Nicolas Cage. | |
| In a podcast interview after filming ended for that movie, she said she wasn't sure if she was ready to be a head armorer. | |
| Meanwhile, troubling reports highlight safety concerns on the set of Baldwin's western film Rust. | |
| Production crew on the set of Rust walked out on Thursday morning in a row over safety and long hours. | |
| On Thursday, when they arrived to pack up, they found a team of non-union workers waiting to replace them. | |
| Helena Hutchins, the woman who was shot and died, decided to stay on the set and film with Alec Baldwin film director Joel Sousa. | |
| She'd been advocating on behalf of her team for better working conditions. | |
| But was killed by the bullet. | |
| That was Baldwin's bullet. So, isn't that wild? | |
| So, Hannah Guterres-Reed admitted, after leading the firearms department for this movie, The Old Way, with Nicolas Cage, she said she found loading blanks Into a gun, quote, the scariest, unquote, thing, because she did not know how to do it and had sought help from her father. | |
| Legendary gunsmith, they'll read, to get over the fear. | |
| I told you, I told you guys last night, there's no such thing as an accident, at least almost never. | |
| Is there any such thing as a pure accident? | |
| You know, the legendary bolt of blue out of a clear blue sky, a bolt of lightning out of a clear blue sky. | |
| It doesn't happen. So, this was a 24-year-old girl who got the job because her daddy was in the business. | |
| And she was scared of guns. | |
| And this is the reporter, right? | |
| Oh, she was trained from when she was young. | |
| No, what that means is that he worked crazy hours on set, had his daughter around, she was cute, and he showed her a couple of things. | |
| Because if he had trained her since she was young, then why would she be this scared of guns, right? | |
| Oh my God. It comes as the film crew revealed they walked off the set hours before the fatal accident after safety fears after firearms were accidentally discharged three times, including once by Baldwin's stunt double who had been told the gun was not loaded, and twice in a closed cabin. | |
| So this not looking good for the producers of the movie, in my humble opinion. | |
| Okay, so let's just break this down for a sec. | |
| It's wild. Firearms... | |
| Were accidentally discharged three times, including once by Baldwin's stunt double, who'd been told the gun was not loaded, and twice in a closed cabin. | |
| Now, I don't know what it means when they say firearms were accidentally discharged three times. | |
| Why there's live bullets on a set? | |
| I have no idea. You have absolutely no need for live bullets on a set, as far as I can tell. | |
| What does it mean that they were accidentally, did they shoot blanks? | |
| I don't know. I don't know what this means. | |
| But what this does mean, in terms of liability, again, I'm not a lawyer, it's just my particular opinion, right? | |
| Is that Alec Baldwin, as the producer, is involved in more than just the acting, right? | |
| I mean, I've been an actor, I've been a director and a producer. | |
| In the theatre world, not in any major way, but I wrote, directed and produced my own play back in my early 20s. | |
| You've got a lot of responsibility. | |
| You know, when I brought in actual live trees to simulate a forest and they chewed the hell out of the floor of the theatre, If I was an actor, it wouldn't mean anything to me. | |
| I wouldn't be responsible for it. | |
| But as the producer, I could have faced an enormous bill to get all of that repaired. | |
| You have a massive responsibility as a producer that you don't have as an actor. | |
| So Alec Baldwin, as the producer, would have known about firearms being accidentally discharged. | |
| Like, do you have foreknowledge? | |
| Of what risks you might be engaged in. | |
| So if... | |
| Well, first of all, I don't know if he fired the 24-year-old girl who was doing a bad job. | |
| But Alec Baldwin knew for sure. | |
| Like, I can't imagine he wouldn't, because this is one, like, people are yelling at him about safety concerns. | |
| So Alec Baldwin knew that the firearms had a habit of shooting on his set. | |
| Three times. Firearms were accidentally discharged three times. | |
| So again, I don't know what this means, but it means that when he's handed a gun, the stunt double had been told the gun was not loaded, but the stunt double was able to shoot the gun. | |
| We don't know what that means, whether it's a blank or a bullet. | |
| I can't imagine it was a bullet. He shot the whole thing down, right? | |
| So Alec Baldwin knew that being told a gun was not loaded had caused the gun to discharge in the past. | |
| In the past. | |
| He had certain knowledge that being told the gun was not loaded was incorrect on his set recently. | |
| So then when he says, when somebody says it's a cold gun, then he should double check it. | |
| because he knows that this has been at least three times. | |
| And in one instance, we know for sure that the stunt double had been told that the gun was not loaded. | |
| He knows for sure. He knows for sure that he cannot trust the fact that the gun is handed to him and he's told that it's empty or not loaded. | |
| It's a cold gun. He knows that for sure. | |
| So he would double-check it, because already three times, and including once, where somebody had been told the gun was not loaded. | |
| So a search warrant released Friday said that Gutierrez Reed, this is the girl, laid out three prop guns on a cart outside the filming location. | |
| And first assistant director Dave Halls grabbed the gun from the cart and brought it inside to Baldwin, unaware that it was loaded with live rounds. | |
| Cold gun, shouted Halls, before handing the gun to Baldwin, using the phrase to signal to cast and crew that the gun was safe to fire for the scene. | |
| The warrant said. Seconds later, filming a scene inside an Old West-style church, Baldwin apparently aimed towards the camera and pulled the trigger, accidentally killing Hutchins as she filmed him and injuring director Joel Sousa, who stood behind her. | |
| Now, I'll tell you this, too. | |
| I'll keep this relatively short. | |
| Isn't there something kind of demonic about having a gun battle in a church? | |
| Isn't that kind of... Heretical and disrespectful and tempting. | |
| I'm not saying dark forces like objective demons, but tempting a kind of human darkness just strikes me as a pretty horrible place to stage a gun battle unless you are that way inclined from a moral standpoint. | |
| So... The girl was responsible for the prop guns. | |
| Dave Halls, very experienced, right? | |
| And he grabbed the gun, didn't check it. | |
| So Gutierrez-Reed, I assume, seems like she wouldn't check the gun and find live rounds in it. | |
| And Dave, and say, go ahead. | |
| Dave Halls would have grabbed the gun, didn't check it. | |
| Alec Baldwin got the gun, didn't check it, and all three people knew that a gun had been used in the past and the person had been told it was not able to fire and then it had gone off. | |
| So, I don't know. | |
| Wouldn't it be wild, probably nonsense of course, but wouldn't it be wild if someone had put Live rounds in the gun as some sort of vengeance. | |
| But of course, this is exactly the kind of possibility that should have you check these kinds of things, right? | |
| So, it's wild. | |
| It's wild stuff. | |
| Oh, interesting. So in an interview with Voices of the West last month, this girl, Gutierrez Reed, revealed her father only started teaching her about guns from age 16, and the most of her training had happened in the last couple of years. | |
| So she worked as a videographer at Synthfire, a California-based news and media company, and as a documentary filmmaker for the city of Flagstaff in Arizona. | |
| She studied creative media and film between 2017 and 2020. | |
| She worked as an armor for Yellowstone Film Ranch between March and June 2021, but according to the page, stopped working there three months before filming for Russ started in October. | |
| March, April, May, June. | |
| So she had, what, three to four months of experience? | |
| She had three to four months of experience, but her daddy was famous, so I'm sure that worked out. | |
| Because, you see, her father, obviously it doesn't sound like there's much lineage beyond him, her father got into the industry, became an expert because he has extraordinary ability, passion, intent, and skill, and ambition, obviously, in the area of guns and armaments. | |
| That doesn't mean his daughter is the same person. | |
| Thank you. | |
| It doesn't flow down genetically and so on, right? | |
| So, yeah, to me, is it... | |
| I mean, this comes back to this question, which, again, is just my amateur non-lawyer opinion. | |
| But it comes down to this question of what does it mean to take an unacceptable risk? | |
| If the set is in chaos... | |
| If there have been three accidental discharges before, including one where the stunt double was told specifically that the gun was not loaded, and it was and went off, if the crew has quit, if everyone's just been replaced, do you just get handed a gun and are told it's safe? | |
| Point it at someone, or in the direction of someone, which I guess is what I said before earlier about the gun being pointed at the camera. | |
| Do you, with all that knowledge, knowing the set's in chaos, everyone's just been replaced, there have been accidents with guns pretty continuously, it sounds like, on the shoot, do you just grab a gun, point it in the direction of someone, and pull the trigger without checking anything? | |
| It's your finger on the trigger. | |
| Right? Obviously, if Alec Baldwin had thought that there might be a possibility that the gun was dangerous, he wouldn't have pulled the trigger, so why not take the few seconds and check? | |
| Because it's your finger on the trigger. | |
| You're the one who is the final chain, the final domino in the events that led to the death of the woman, the cinematographer, and the wounding of the director. | |
| So I don't know, man. | |
| This is not a good time to be pulling and pointing and pulling the trigger. | |
| You know, you know that it's been a total shitshow of a production. | |
| And when the union members are walking off the set hours earlier over to safety concerns, when everyone has told you this is an unsafe set, this is a dangerous set, Someone just hands you a gun, you point it at someone or in the direction of someone and pull the trigger, you know it's unsafe. | |
| You know everyone just quit because it's unsafe. | |
| And you're aware as the producer that a gun that the stunt double was told was safe shot. |
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