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Oct. 22, 2021 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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ALEC BALDWIN SHOT TWO PEOPLE?!?
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Right, surprise show.
Surprise show. That is very true.
You're bringing your skills to the forefront.
Which skills are these? Detective skills.
Detective skills.
I probably learned those from Among Us.
A, B, C, D. What?
Among Us, Baking, Cryptocurrency, Detective.
Oh yeah, those are my four possible career choices.
Right, right. Okay, not Among Us.
Among Us is a joke. Not Among Us.
Alright. So, this actor, Alec Baldwin, he actually won an Oscar.
he was dropped into a movie that was kind of boring about a bunch of sales people and he played a real jerk who yelled at a guy who couldn't close a deal for taking coffee to close a deal is called close to close the deal and closers are people who actually get people to sign on the dotted line and buy stuff
Right. That much?
Right. So he was a drug addict and alcoholic in his 20s.
He got married. He's got six kids.
He had a brutal divorce. This is the guy who screamed at his daughter, you know, you're a thoughtless little pig and he was going to sort her out in some mysterious and potentially negative manner.
Probably negative actually.
A volatile guy and I don't like him.
In particular. Well, no.
I don't like him either.
Anyone who's vicious on the kids, you know, obviously I'm going to have some pretty significant issues with, seems to have a pretty bad temper.
No, I don't like him either. And he also was, of course, fanatically anti-Trump.
Like, just anti...
He was anti-Trump.
He's anti-conservative and all of that.
Now, that's kind of some...
Like, there are a lot of leftists in the media, in the entertainment industry.
It's really tough to have a career if you don't...
Do what they say.
But he was actively against Trump.
There are other people who are just like, oh yeah, I'm a Democrat.
But then there's some people who are just actively against every single conservative and stuff like that and always pro-Democrat.
Yeah, yeah. He kind of made an entire career playing Trump and mocking Trump and so on.
It's actually interesting. There was a comedian who died recently called Norm MacDonald.
He said you can't do an imitation of someone else unless there's a good one, unless you have some affection for the person, which I think is kind of interesting because he certainly didn't have that.
So, anyway, what's happened is...
Let's get to the...
The more details have come out today since we talked about it last night.
All right, so this is from the Daily Mail.
We'll go through this. A distraught.
Alec Baldwin. Distraught means really, really upset.
Yeah. Really upset. Yeah.
Like, when I don't get my way or...
That's about it, right? That's about it, yeah.
What else makes me distraught?
Losing in games.
Losing in games? Absolutely.
Especially when I win. What was it we talked about the other day?
What are the top five questions that you could ask that would get the longest explanations?
Longer than you want to live? Oh yeah, yeah, because it would...
That was funny.
What were they? Do you remember? What's philosophy?
What's philosophy? What's universal peanut butter?
Universal peanut butter? It's not actually universal peanut butter.
I'm sure you know what I'm referring to.
Yeah, yeah, what else? Tell me about...
Oh gosh, wait, hold on. Tell me about technology.
Yeah, yeah. And why is Bitcoin better than banking?
Yeah, yeah. Oh, blah, blah, blah.
That's four, right? I haven't done the fifth.
The fifth was...
Why do you like music so much?
Or, why is Queen so great?
Why is Queen so great? And also, no, it was something to do with explaining the non-aggression principle or something like that.
Oh, yeah, yeah. What's the non-aggression principle? I don't know that you've ever actually asked me those things.
Should we just deal with them now?
No, let's not do that. We could just deal with them now.
This could turn into like a podcast for trying to fall asleep.
You know what I mean? I'm kidding.
No, no, you've told me about them, but I have to ask because I've already been told.
Yeah, yeah. Why would you want to hear it twice, right?
Okay, so he's distraught, means he's upset, of course.
He says, there are no words to convey his shock and sadness after accidentally shooting and killing the female cinematographer on the set of his new movie, Rust, and that he was cooperating fully with the police investigation into what happened.
Baldwin accidentally killed Halnya Hutchins, a 42-year-old married mother or two, and the director of photography, and they always say photography, but it's actually movies anyway, on his new movie on a ranch in Santa Fe, New Mexico, which is not in Mexico, Thursday at 1.50 p.m.
He is believed to have fired a single round from a prop gun that somehow struck both Hutchins and the movie's director, 48-year-old Joel Sousa.
So, what are your thoughts about this movie?
Okay, so I'm not gonna- Among Us Detective Head.
Is that my new name?
Yes. Because that's awesome. Okay, so okay, I'm not gonna put forward any accusations yet because of course we don't have any evidence really for like what the actual like what actually happened, but look I could see injuring two people with a gun like maybe it like nicks someone's shoulder and then hit the other person's or something like that.
You can't kill someone and critically injure the other person.
Well, the other guy was critically injured yesterday.
Apparently, he's been released from hospital, so probably wasn't critical.
I don't know how they could patch him up that quickly, but...
Yeah, certainly killed someone and injured, right?
Let's just say injured and killed someone.
I don't know how... I can understand that maybe with a real gun.
This is a prop gun.
We saw a couple videos, right?
I mean, the actual... I guess the front...
I forget what it's called. The barrel.
The barrel, right. Where the bullet comes out.
I could understand, like, that can't really hurt, like, from what we've seen on the videos, right?
It doesn't do much. But where the gas comes out, I forget the words, I'm so sorry.
The hole's on the top, yeah. The hole's on the top.
I think that's just on a prop gun to give something to escape that doesn't go forward, right?
Yeah, yeah. I mean, nobody's fires a gun like this, right?
No, of course not. So if it's hair and the gas goes out through the top, you have it away from you at arm's length or whatever, it shouldn't do any harm, right?
It shouldn't, no. And that's, you can't, like, even if it does, it cannot kill someone and hurt someone else.
So, I don't know.
I mean, maybe it can't. But, I mean, I'm just saying, I don't know how he ended up killing someone on accident and, let's just say, badly injuring someone also on accident.
Yeah. How do you do that?
Like, if someone gets really hurt, right?
Yeah. And you're like, oh, well, why don't I point the gun at a different person?
Because that works. Because it hurt someone else, right?
Right, right. Like, how does that, what is the logic?
I'm so confused. Right.
So, I mean, look, there's a couple of rules with guns, which I just wanted to, I guess, kind of mention, right?
So, with regards to rules, number one, treat every weapon as if it is loaded.
Yeah. So, I mean, there have been instances in the past, remember I was talking about that guy, the son of Bruce Lee, the martial artist?
He was shot in a movie called The Crow.
And it was supposed to be just a prop gun, but it had a real bullet in it somehow.
And so you always treat every gun like it's loaded.
You never point a weapon at anything you don't intend to destroy.
I mean, this is for real guns. Keep your weapon on safety until you're ready to fire.
Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
You point it down.
You have to point it at someone, pull your finger on the trigger, and you would just never do that.
No. Because there have been, remember the guy was saying like sometimes stuff can get stuck in the barrel and then with the next fire it turns even the padding into a kind of a projectile so you just always have to be super careful.
Now my guess is that he was pointing the gun straight at the camera.
That's what I was thinking too.
Now, what safety would you put in place if you have...
Because the director and the cinematographer would be right behind the camera to make sure the shot was looking right.
You'd put up, like, glass or some type of...
Plexiglass. Plexiglass, yeah.
You'd probably have a visor around your eyes or something.
Yeah, yeah. And everybody else would be out of range just in case something went wrong.
Yeah, like, I mean, people would be, like, 15 feet away from the camera.
Everyone except the camera person, photographer.
Right. Would be at the camera and they'd have protection.
So I don't know how, like, they clearly were not going through the correct measures to actually do this gunshot.
It does not seem, now here's the thing too, people aren't really talking about that he was just an actor, he was a producer, which is like the final boss.
And they said it was low budget, which maybe he cut corners, maybe he didn't get the right people or spend top dollar to make sure that the safety was occurred, in which case he could be liable.
So here's what they say.
So he's believed to have fired a single round from a prop gun.
But here's the thing. If it's a prop gun, you can't fire around.
It's the whole point of a prop gun.
Yeah. There have been some criminals who get shot by the police because they've carved a gun out of soap because they want to get a clean getaway.
Anyway. I'm not laughing at that.
You do not deserve that laugh.
Come on. No. Sympathy.
Charity laugh. No.
Sympathy giggle. Ha ha.
I'll take it. I'll take it.
No, and so a fake gun can't shoot, sort of by definition, right?
Like a toy gun.
They're basically saying a toy gun.
But if a toy gun is shooting real bullets and killing people, or killing one person and injuring another, then it's not a prop gun anymore.
So witnesses cited my showbiz411, said the single bullet struck Hutchins, says the woman, in the body, and Pierce Seuss's clavicle.
Do you know what a clavicle is?
No. It's the kind of instrument you play, like a recorder.
It's not. The clavicle is the depression right here where your chest bones meet.
Oh, okay. So he was very lucky because, you know, he goes into the throat.
The jug leader is not that far.
Hutchins, the woman, was airlifted to the hospital but was pronounced dead.
Susan was taken to the hospital. By ambulance was released on Thursday evening.
Baldwin, he's 63, was taken to the sheriff's department to be questioned.
He was released without charge after giving a tearful interview.
Afterwards, he was photographed doubled over in shock and grief as he spoke on the phone.
Well, absolutely. I mean, this is a terrible thing to occur, right?
So he tweeted on Friday, he said, there are no words to command my shock and sadness, okay, fully cooperating, blah, blah, blah.
So it remains unconfirmed if it was a live round or a blank that was fired.
A prop master's union described it on Friday morning as a live round.
And Baldwin was heard asking people around him, why was I handed a hot gun after firing the fatal shot?
Right.
So if it was a real bullet in the gun, then whoever was supposed to keep that stuff safe is the guy who's going to get in serious trouble.
But it will also then flow back up to the producer.
If it turns out that the producer didn't get the right people, didn't have the right amount of safety, then he will be responsible to some degree because he's the boss, right?
But the Prop Masters Union, as far as I understand it, didn't have...
So a prop is, you know, like a fake thing for a movie.
The union is...
We talked about unions the other day, right?
Remember that long drive?
No, I remember. That was interesting.
So the Prop Masters Union didn't have any people on set.
So I don't know where they're getting the information that it was a live round.
So a spokesman for both film production and Baldwin said on Thursday night that it was an accident involving a gun loaded with blanks.
And, you know, with all the CGI these days, like the computer graphics that they can do, I kind of wonder why do they even need blanks and guns that do all this stuff.
Oh, I don't either. I guess maybe low budget or something?
He didn't want to hire a CGI artist?
I guess, yeah. So this article says, it's common on movie sets for actors to use real guns loaded with blanks or dummy bullets to give a more lifelike effect in shooting.
But it remains unclear how a blank could have killed Hutchins or how a live round accidentally ended up in the gun's chamber when Bolton pulled the trigger.
The number of layers, like if there's a gun on set, even a prop gun with blanks and so on, you've got to sign it out.
People have got to check it before you film.
The actor is supposed to check it before they film to make sure there's no live bullets.
Like there's so many layers that to me it's kind of incomprehensible.
It is. How, like, you know, a car accident, whatever, you hit a patch of black ice and it can happen like that, right?
But this, there's so many layers of safety that it's supposed to go through that it's, again, kind of incomprehensible, right?
The movie's Amura.
The movie's what? Wait, how have they not yet been named?
That's the first person you gotta go to.
What type of detective work is that?
If someone got the gun loaded or got people to check the gun, they need to be asked first, what happened, how did they get killed?
How does the gun work? They need all the information from that person.
I don't know what their plan is, but if I was, like, in charge of this, that's the first person you go to.
Forget about, like, the 911. Forget about the hospital.
Go to that person.
And also, the first thing you have to check was the camera rolling, because that's the most evidence you can get.
Now, here's a funny thing to think about, right?
So, do you think that Democrats or Conservatives are more comfortable with guns?
Oh, 100% conservatives or Republicans or whatever you want to call them.
Now, if he really hated conservatives, then he wouldn't hire them, which means he would have people on his set, possibly, who were just less familiar with and comfortable with guns as a whole, which might have contributed as well.
I'm just saying, like, you still, that's the first person you need to go to if you need to figure out, okay, how, after all these safety measures, did someone get killed through a gun and someone injured, badly injured?
Now, just because this person has not been named doesn't mean that he or she hasn't been questioned or...
I know, I'm just saying, but they need to get the information out.
They need to get people to know who this is.
Have they had bad record in the past?
Everyone needs to know what has happened with this and you need to get as much information from everyone possible.
Do you know what the word haphazard means?
No. So haphazard is really sloppy.
Right. Impulsive.
Yes. Without really thinking much about the consequences.
So, in Goose Goose Duck, my kills are...
Haphazard.
There you go. I think that's just encapsulated.
You can go watch one of those videos to understand.
So, last month, actor Jensen Ackles told a conference in Denver how he'd been able to choose his own gun on the gun set from the female armorer in a haphazard training session.
Choose his own gun on the gun set.
It sounds like she just had a whole bunch of guns laid out there.
You could just pick up your own gun and play with it in a haphazard training session.
You can't know. If this is the same person, because...
I don't know. Personally, here's my thing.
I'm saying females, yeah sure they can work, but I think men should be the ones in charge of the weapons.
I feel like there's a higher chance they're going to be Republican or conservative.
There's a higher chance that they probably are way more familiar with the weapons, they're stronger, and they're more likely to do more safety measures to check.
I'm just saying, I think having a woman in charge of the weapons is not a good idea.
Well, maybe if she's good at it, fine.
If she's really good at it, then sure. But I think just...
I think more... Generally, it's more of a boy than a girl thing growing up.
I think so, yeah. So, again, that could have something to do with it.
So, this is what the actor said about being on this set and doing the gun stuff.
He said, they had me pick my gun.
They were like, all right, what gun would you like?
I was like, I don't know.
And the armorer was like, do you have gun experience?
I was like, a little. And she was like, this is how you load it.
Check it safe. Do you want it hip-drawn or cross-drawn?
I was like... Cross-drawing, that sounds fun.
So she's like, I'll just put some blanks in there and just fire a couple of rounds towards the hill.
I walk out and she's like, just make sure you pull the hammer all the way back and aim at your target.
I was like... Alright, I got it.
By the way, this, I was like, she was all this and this sounds like a valley girl, like a totally gruddy at the max.
God. Oh yeah, valley girls.
The female armorer has not been named.
The Santa Fe County Sheriff's Department has not given any updates since announcing on Thursday that Bolton fired the gun.
He cooperated, blah, blah, blah.
Police have disclosed few details about the shooting, saying only that it was a projectile that was fired by a prop gun and that they were investigating.
So Prop Masters Union told members on Thursday in an email that a live round was fired.
And... But again, I don't think that they have...
It's unclear whether the union got the information, since none of its members were on the movie set.
So what the union is probably doing is saying, hey man, you don't hire our guys.
This is the kind of stuff that can happen, so you've got to make sure you hire our guys.
They cost more, but they're worth it.
They're probably saying something.
Maybe they do have some inside information, but my gosh, that's wild.
The film crew and the...
So yeah, the crow we sort of talked about and all of that.
And yeah, it's pretty brutal now.
I wanted to talk about...
Something else. Something else.
Well, this, but something else to do with this.
Which is how the language...
Can you imagine if one of Trump's kids was playing around with a prop gun or something and shot someone and killed them?
Trump's child murders.
Oh yeah, it would just be straight up brutal as far as all of that went, right?
But this guy, so he's one of their guys, right?
He's on the left, right?
And somebody says, I think this is a film guy, everyone knows that even if you're shooting blanks, you shoot over the person's shoulder or not directly at the person.
Look what happened to Brandon Lee, right?
Okay, but if you have to shoot at the camera, There needs to be protection.
Well, yeah, but then you can't sort of aim somewhere else as far as that goes, right?
Yeah, well, there still needs to be protection.
Here's how you do it. Whoever was involved for the protection, right?
Right. Whoever had to choose how much protection was happening and all that stuff gets sued.
They're really responsible.
If it was him, he's really responsible.
Like if it was, what's his name again?
Bald? Alec Baldwin, yeah.
Alec Baldwin. If it was him, he's really responsible.
Whoever was in charge of the guns and making sure they were safe, they're also really responsible.
I'm just saying, I think they're going about it wrong.
Obviously, 12, I've never had detective experience, so maybe they're doing everything perfectly right.
Not real, in the real world.
So obviously, I don't really know what I'm saying, but I'm just saying, if it were up to me, this would not be how they're dealing with it.
You get the camera footage, you publish everyone's names, whether they want it or not.
And you just get as much evidence from everyone.
Right. Do they have bad history with this type of stuff?
If so, then Alec Baldwin is at fault.
We're hiring them. Yeah, yeah.
Like, everything. You know, like, I'm just, ah, I'm sorry, I don't understand.
And in 2017, there was a policeman who shot a suspect, and it was investigated, and Alec Baldwin wrote, I wonder how it must feel to wrongfully kill someone.
Oh, now you know!
Well, we don't know if it's wrongfully or not.
Again, if it was, we'll find out.
But the police officer was actually cleared.
So he jumped to the conclusion.
Alec Baldwin jumped to the conclusion that the police officer had wrongfully killed someone.
You don't jump to conclusions.
No, you don't. We don't know yet.
You accuse people. You only accuse people after there is reasonable evidence.
Even if you think someone did it, you don't actually say it.
That's what I'm doing right now.
I don't think I've personally accused anyone during this show.
Right, right. No, no, again, we don't know, but we'll sort of get onto this.
Now, do you think Saturday Night Live will mention this at all or talk about it or anything like that?
If they do, it will all be like, oh, he accidentally killed someone.
It was all a big mistake.
He's devastated. And that's before, they're like clearing people.
They're saying, oh, this person didn't do it.
He's just, it was an accident before there's even proper evidence.
Maybe he'd been planning this for months, like honestly.
Right. Well, so when there was a guy named Dick Cheney, who was a Republican, I'm not a huge fan of the guy, but it's not particularly relevant.
So Dick Cheney... Was hunting and accidentally shot a friend of his in the face.
And the Democrats made fun of this for like a year straight.
In fact, so did Alec Baldwin.
So apparently it's funny when it happens to other people, but now it's a total tragedy when it happens to the Democrat, right?
I assume the guy died who got shot in the face?
No, he didn't actually. He didn't.
And... Oh yeah, so clearly having your face ruined versus actually being murdered is a massive difference.
Another guy says, I can't stress enough how seriously guns are taken on set.
It takes a very lazy set, breaking protocols, rules, with seriously weak leadership for a shooting to take place.
It's not normal. Decades ago it was relaxed.
Today it comes with close to the most serious safety protocols on the set.
So, I just wanted to find something else here about...
If, you know, if he didn't give due process to others but just assumed they were guilty, of course then he's going to feel very different about that now, right?
And he's going to be like, hey man, you got to have due process, don't all that.
And here's the thing.
If someone, something like this happens, it's a terrible thing to happen.
You'd think that they'd say, wow, all the times that I jumped to conclusions about other people and violence.
No, people don't think like that.
You don't think they're going to learn? You don't think he's going to learn anything?
People do not think like that. And if he even crosses his mind, he'll be like, nope, no, all other people thought I didn't do anything.
It's different. And, like, everyone...
I'm not everyone. There are obviously exceptions, but I'm going to say 90% of people think like this.
Yeah, you think he'll learn nothing to sort of double down?
No, I really don't. Okay, so here we go.
I wanted to... Yeah, so I wanted to look into one of these articles.
I find this use of language really, really interesting.
Okay, so this is from the Los Angeles Times.
We've actually been there, a big city in California.
We have, right? Okay, so tell me what you find interesting about this text and what the opinion of the women who wrote this.
Actor Alex Baldwin Oh, they made a typo.
It's actually Alec, not Alec's name.
Actor Alex Baldwin discharged the prop firearm that killed a cinematographer on a movie set.
Actor and producer Alec Baldwin fired the prop gun on a New Mexico movie set that killed the director of photography and injured the director.
So what does that sound?
What does that sound like to you?
It sounds very, like, sad.
Yeah. And...
It sounds like, oh, this is a very misfortunate event, but there's no, like, this dude literally killed someone.
Yeah, he did. Look, he absolutely killed.
Now, that doesn't mean he's a murderer.
No. Because you can kill in self-defense and all of that, but without a doubt...
It was not self-defense.
No, no, no, I get that, but it could be an accident, right?
No, it wasn't self-defense. I don't think he should be...
What?
So, in movies, it's called a shot when you take...
So, maybe he thought they were going to shoot him.
Self-defense? No.
Okay. Okay. No, so are they saying he did it, right?
So look at this. Alec Baldwin fired the prop gun that killed the director of photography.
He's saying the gun did it. Right.
The gun doesn't do it.
The gun just sits there. The gun just sits there, right?
So he shot someone.
He shot someone. He shot someone.
Whether it was an accident or not, we can just assume it was an accident until proven differently.
He shot someone. The gun did not shoot someone.
He did. He made the gun shoot someone.
Now they immediately say no charges have been filed.
Now of course charges haven't been filed because there's It's literally been like 12 hours.
Well, yeah, at this point it was like six or eight hours, of course.
But they say, no charges have been filed because he's on their team, right?
So they want to make him look better or whatever, right?
So then, and they could take the story any direction they want, right?
Yep. So then they say, the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees Local, this is a union, We received the devastating news this evening that one of our members, Hailina Hutchins, the director of photography on a production called Rust in New Mexico, died from injuries sustained on the set.
Died from injury sustained on the set.
No! He was shot!
Sorry, she. She was shot.
And they're devastating.
And it's very...
It's not... I mean, yeah, sure, it's sad.
But, like, it wasn't on purpose.
Yes, that's sad.
But you can't only say it's devastating.
You have to point out, yeah, he did shoot someone.
Yeah. Well, and he has been in movies with tons of guns in the past.
He's not some 18-year-old kid who's never been on a movie set before.
The guy's 63. He's had a career for over 40 years.
He's fired... I mean, it's kind of funny because he wants to take away everybody's right to own guns, but his movies make a lot of money because everyone shoots each other, right?
Right, right. And so he...
He knows guns, prop guns.
He knows to check them. And he's the producer.
He knows how dangerous they can be.
So, again, this seems really confusing.
We spent yesterday, when it happened, like when we saw the news article come out, we spent like a good 10 minutes watching gun videos, like about fake guns and how they work and how dangerous they can be.
That's literally all you need to ensure someone doesn't get killed.
You need 10 minutes to watch video on how to check a fake gun and how it works.
Right. He can do that.
Yeah. There's 24 hours a day.
It's 10 minutes. So it says here, Yeah, why would you have a bullet there?
Yeah, you wouldn't have a bullet there at all.
So... The sheriff's office says, according to investigators, it appears that the scene being filmed involved the use of a prop firearm when it was discharged.
I'm not going through this again.
It was. You know how sometimes ducks just poop?
It's just discharged. It just happens.
It just happens. Like guns just discharge, right?
Now, what's strange is that the movie is actually about the result of an accidental killing.
I'm not kidding. It's true this in real life.
Making people live their own movie.
So then the spokesperson for the production company said, the entire cast and crew has been absolutely devastated by today's tragedy and we send our deepest condolences, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And that is...
I think what they're trying to do as a whole, I'm not saying it's conscious, but I think what happens is they, you know, accident, the gun was the problem, it wasn't anything he did, it was an accidental discharge, it's a tragedy, we're so sad.
They're really trying to program everyone to not be angry at the fact that this guy shot someone, killed a woman and injured a guy.
Yeah. Saying that it's just immediately jumping to the, you know, it's just a, we don't know if it's a tragedy.
No. We don't know if it's a tragedy at all.
And look, I want to, like, I want to mention, I think what they're, like, again, it's different, it's slightly topic change, but it's still like the same thing.
Yeah. They're going about it wrong, if it was up to me.
Yeah, yeah. They need to, was the camera filming?
If so, filming, sorry.
Filming. If so, check the footage.
Yeah. Well that's the thing too of all the things where you have footage like you know how you sometimes have that grainy security camera and you can't really tell what's...
This they have high definition video and sound of everything that was going on.
It's a movie. You can check a movie.
Assuming it wasn't rehearsal. But if it was rehearsal...
They might film it in case it was a really good rehearsal.
But if it was rehearsal, you wouldn't pull the trigger, I don't think.
Again, I don't know how this stuff works.
I've never worked with weaponry on this kind of stuff.
I'm just saying, check the camera.
Say the camera wasn't filming for some whatever reason.
That's really suspicious and seems weird, doesn't it?
Yeah. Like, why would the camera not be filming?
Say it was rehearsal. That's their excuse or whatever.
Or that's the reason why it wasn't filming.
Okay, why was the gun actually being fired on rehearsal?
Right. And, like, Alec Baldwin, like, they need to get him, and he needs to be, like, answering questions for the next, like, week.
He can't, like, I mean, he's tweeting stuff.
He's probably going out and doing his business.
No, he needs to be in the police office, or right next to it, answering questions and explaining what happened.
Right. Like, he can't, like, I think they need to, not like, put him in jail permanently, but just keep him there as a possible suspect.
As like, hey, maybe he did do this on purpose for some reason.
Right, right. They need to figure out whether these two people have had any history together.
Maybe he hates her for some reason.
Just, like, everything.
They just need to figure out what happened.
Right, right. Now, obviously not accusing anyone, not saying he did kill, like, on purpose, even though he killed on accident.
I'm just saying they need to figure out whether he actually did.
Right, right. Now, but here's the thing, right?
So when this kind of stuff happens, it really starts prompting a lot of gossip.
Now you know how much I dislike gossip.
You love gossip. No, I can, as a philosopher, I consider...
You love gossip. Sorry, let me just, don't interrupt.
No, you love gossip. So rude. No.
I consider myself above the petty squabbles of mere humanity, and I love gossip.
I do. You don't know this about me.
I'm revealing something very important.
Yeah, I do. So, now, gossip can sometimes be fun, but sometimes not.
So, in this particular situation, this is the gossip that's out there, right?
I don't particularly believe this.
I haven't verified it. But this is the kind of stuff that gets said about it.
And this means it gets politicized.
Because he was such a strong political figure, right?
People will just politicize this.
And the people who are on the left will defend him.
And the people who are conservatives will often attack him and so on.
And someone says this here.
The Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office said in a statement that Hutchins and Sousa, quote, were shot when a prop firearm was discharged by Alec Baldwin, producer and actor.
Finally, they're actually saying, buy him.
Yeah, yeah. No one was arrested in the incident.
No charges have been filed, the office said.
Detectives were interviewing witnesses and the incident remains under an open and active investigation.
According to an on-set source, now again, I don't believe this because it's unverified, but this is the kind of stuff that swirls around that gets people kind of hot and bothered, right?
Or upset, right? According to an on-set source, the director had called for another take when Baldwin jokingly remarked, another take?
How about I just, rude word, shoot the both of you before firing on the pair?
Now, I don't. I don't believe that that's true.
I don't either. I don't believe that that's true.
If that was true... I can't imagine.
I mean, that he then would voluntarily have shot this kind of stuff at the pair.
And if he did, that's dumb.
That would be almost straight to jail. I say, if he did do that, put him in prison because he's clearly too dangerous to do actual movies.
Yeah, I don't believe that this is true.
And also after like 40 years of doing movies, a lot of them probably having guns where he had to shoot them or whatever, he's going to know to not do that.
Or at least he would have done that before and that would have been a possible thing, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I don't believe that that's true.
But this is the kind of stuff that, because people who don't like the guy will tend to fixate on this and repeat it, and of course, having been the subject of some pretty vicious gossip myself, I just wanted to point out there that...
I don't believe that that would happen.
And if that did happen, I mean, that's unfathomable to me that he would jokingly point a gun at some people and shoot them and so on.
That just would be... I know a sober person would do that and I think he's done with this.
Probably sober if he's directing a movie and acting in it at the same time.
Oh yeah, I would think so.
I would think so. So yeah, it's pretty wild.
It's wild to see what goes on with the politics of this and how people are kind of aligning themselves up.
And the last thing I'll say is that...
On the left, they tend to be a little bit more like, oh, he's one of our guys.
We'll defend him no matter what.
Whereas on the right, they tend to be, well, it's due process.
We shouldn't jump to conclusions.
They tend to be more patient and reasonable in a way without jumping to conclusions.
I feel like you've got to fight fire with fire.
If they're going to be like that, Republicans got to be like that too.
Look, that's a big question in life.
It's a big question in life.
I don't know the answer, but I think that you know the answer better than I do for various reasons.
So the big question is...
Do you hold someone to their own standards or do you hold them by ideal standards, right?
So his was like, hey, this cop shot someone.
It was wrong for him to do it.
He was in the wrong. It was a bad shoot.
He's a killer, blah, blah, blah, whatever he was saying on the tweet, right?
What was implied. Hold them to their own standards.
So you're a hold-them-to-your-own-standards kind of person, right?
Yeah. Did he say that cop should be arrested?
Do you know? Well, he said, I wonder how it feels to wrongfully...
Now, if you wrongfully shoot someone, then you're a murderer, right?
And it turned out that the cop...
I don't know what happened, but it turned out that the cop was exonerated.
He was found to be a lawful shooting, right?
So he was wrong about that, right?
So he jumped to conclusions that the cop was guilty and didn't wait for due process.
No, he got it. I think if he said that, he needs to be like, oh, well, everyone should just accuse him, like, right now, because he said that.
Right. And if it's wrong, it's like, oh, sorry, just, you know, karma.
Right, right, right.
And, yeah, so...
I don't know, man.
So you're on the side of hold people by their own standards.
Yes. Right? If somebody jumps to conclusions, you can just jump to conclusions about it.
Now, other people say that that's having you lower your standards because other people are hypocritical.
No, I don't care about that.
That's not an argument. Good.
No, tell me what you mean. I'm not going to lower my standards.
Like, I mean, even if I am, like, so what?
So what if I lower my standards?
I can just up them again after this is done.
Right. Right.
And so that, do you say, look, due process is important.
You don't jump to conclusions, even if somebody else has repeatedly jumped to conclusions and now is in the same situation.
No, you don't say that. You lower your standards, match them.
That's not even lowering your standards.
That's just karma, which is awesome.
Right. Now, yeah, so karma...
But karma sometimes is like this impersonal force that just happens, and other times it's sort of people make decisions.
No, people need to do something about it.
Right. This dude's going to accuse some cop who was...
ended up being, like, innocent pretty much, even though he did shoot someone.
Well, you can be... you can shoot someone to be innocent.
Yeah, self-defense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
and somebody's about to harm someone else or if or even if they're as far as i remember if you're a cop and someone escapes arrest and is running away from you you can shoot them because now they're out in the neighborhood they can take a hostage they could you know grab a gun they could go on a killing spree now that they know the cops have to hunt them so there's lots of reasons that a cop might shoot someone that would be perfectly lawful and
And so, yeah, Alec Baldwin is someone who really jumps to conclusions about other people's guilt.
But now, of course, he's going to be desperate for due process.
Now, he's going to get due process either way.
Yeah, of course. But what should people's attitudes be?
Don't jump to conclusions so fast.
You've got to think this through.
Right. Now that I'm the one who pulled the trigger...
And he'd be like sobbing and crying and be like, it was an accident.
Don't jump to conclusions.
Be nice. Or whatever.
Because he's a skilled and professional actor, he's going to be like turning on the tears.
People need to know this.
He's an actor. You can't trust his emotional, right?
I think my first thing is, if someone's crying on news or something, don't trust it.
Do not trust anyone.
Obviously, in personal life, but online or something.
Oh, in personal life, it's okay if I need something.
What? What? If I cry, then...
Hang on, give me a sec. No.
No, like, if someone...
In personal life, like, trust people, of course, if they're, like, trustworthy.
Like, online, or...
Remote people, strangers you don't know, right?
Yeah, strangers you don't know. If they're crying, do not trust them.
Wait until it's proven they're actually crying.
Wait until you actually have an emotion test.
I don't know how the heck you do that.
It's probably a lie detector, but for emotions, I have no idea what I'm talking about.
But just pretend I know what I'm talking about.
Particularly a skilled actor who can command his emotions on cue, right?
Yeah, yeah. That's how he became a skilled actor.
He can cry on cue. He can get angry on cue.
You can't trust him.
Yeah, so my sort of issue is that if we say, well, we have to have due process with this guy.
We have to have due process with this guy, even though he didn't want due process for others.
Or, you know, we're not going to jump to conclusions even though he jumped to conclusions with others.
I feel that that's, while it might be a noble strategy, it's just losing gracefully.
Like, you're just going to end up losing.
Because then other people have lower standards.
It's sort of like, so when I was a kid, I never got into a fistfight, but I knew a couple of kids who did.
And there were kind of rules about fistfighting, right?
Like if the kid goes down, you stop, right?
You don't kick the groin because that's, you know, so there were some rules, right?
And so if you go into a fistfight and you're following these rules, but the other person is not, what do you do?
You stop following the rules.
Well, I think you have to say, look, if they're not following the rules, why should I follow the rules?
As I said earlier, fight fire with fire.
Fight fire with fire. And then you say, well, losing doesn't help my values at all, right?
No. So, yeah, I don't know.
It's interesting. And I would say, although I'm guessing that you may not follow me on this particular direction, but I would say that maybe, you know, If he's on the receiving end of unjust accusations, he might learn something in the future about unjustly accusing others.
No. Please?
No. Let me have it. No.
Give it to me. No. Don't make me cry.
She laughs. She laughs!
So, and also, the thing is, too, like, because he's been a pretty terrible person, I think, most of his life, or at least as an adult.
I don't know much about his childhood, really anything.
I assume it's pretty bad. But because he's been a pretty terrible person, I think it's one of the reasons why he would then be on the left, right?
Or why he'd be a Democrat. Because he knows that if everything he does is wrong, everybody would just jump to his defense.
Yeah. And like, why would you need people to jump to your defense unless you know you're pretty much going to do bad things over time, right?
And so I think that's another reason why.
And then because he knows everyone's going to jump to his defense, not in this situation, but in other situations, because he knows everyone's going to jump to his defense, yeah, he can just go and do whatever he wants.
He's got like license to be a jerk because everyone's going to come to his defense because he was anti-Trump, so...
Alright, anything else you wanted to mention?
I don't think so, no. Good chat.
I'm just saying I think they're going about it wrong.
They need to publish everyone's names.
That's all. That's my main thing.
Well, we need to find out the expertise of this woman who was in charge of all of this stuff and why she was just saying to guys, yeah, pick out a gun, go shoot a hill.
No, look, if she's saying that stuff, if that's actually true, she needs to be fired, sued, maybe even put in prison, whatever, and so does he because he hired her without checking first or even if he did check first, he's like, who cares if there's a careless person on set?
Not like it's going to accidentally get someone killed.
Yeah. Well, it'd be ironic if he hired her maybe because he wanted to advance a woman's career and then she ended up ending another woman's career by shooting her.
So, ironic but sad.
Alright, thanks everyone. We'll talk to you soon.
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