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Sept. 22, 2021 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
01:02:45
Cinderella Unmasked! Movie Review with Stef and Izzy
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In the general category of movies I wouldn't have seen if I wasn't a parent, we're going to talk today about?
Cinderella, the 2021 version.
The 2021 version. How did you find, did mom find out about it?
I saw it on an ad, on a video or something, and then I'm like, hold on, wait, there's a new Cinderella.
Now look, I was not a massive fan of Cinderella, and I never have been, but I'm like, hey, you know, this could be a good thing for movie reviews, especially because of recent propaganda and stuff like that.
And also, why are they making this movie again for the ninth time or something ridiculous?
Oh, more than that, there's actually a musical that's going on in London at the moment.
Why? Now, I had mixed feelings about this.
I'll tell you why straight up front.
So, Cinderella is played by who?
Camila Cabello. Camila Cabello.
Okay, so she's a Cuban singer.
I don't mind her at all, but she leads me to a rather bad place.
So, she's dating who?
Prince Robert. No, no, in real life.
Oh, Shawn Mendes. Shawn Mendes.
Now, I have some vague concerns that you think that Shawn Mendes might be more handsome and a better singer than me.
So, obviously, this movie I'm a very tough time with because it leads me to a very dark place.
And do you remember we actually saw Shawn Mendes in The Flash?
Oh, my gosh, yeah, on a plane.
Yes, we were on the same plane with him.
He wouldn't take any of my songs.
In fact, he pepper sprayed me, which I was surprised.
We didn't even talk to him. No, I'm kidding. No, but we saw him when we were waiting for a luggage, right?
Yeah, yeah. And he had like a guitar and everything.
Oh, you know, he seemed like the happiest guy in the world.
He did. He looked very happy and very nice.
Aha! You think he's happier than me?
I never even said that.
That's betrayal. Okay, never mind. Your betrayal.
Fair. So, okay, Camila Cabello, what did you think of her in the movie?
I thought she was very charming.
She seems like a pretty charming person.
I don't usually look and see who are good actors or not, so I'm not really going to judge from whether she was a good actor.
We do know it was her first time acting, though, pretty much.
Like, professionally in a movie and stuff.
So, I mean, good for her, honestly.
I think it was an okay movie.
She played well.
Oh, there's a lot to talk about.
There is a lot to talk about, though.
And didn't Shawn Mendes say that she's kind of that peppy in real life?
Yeah, I could not live with that.
I'm sorry. What?
But you do live with that because I'm singing and dancing my way through the entire day.
No, you're not. No, I'm sorry. I think peppiness is okay.
I cannot stand it for long periods of time.
It feels a little forced, you know, because, I mean, everybody has their kind of moods up and down.
If someone's peppy all the time, it gets a little teeth dripping after a while.
I don't mind, like, I mean, if someone's happy all the time, but it's just peppiness is way different than just normal happiness and I hate it.
Okay, so we'll talk about mom another time.
No, mom is very peppy.
No, no, she is, but she's not a super annoying peppy woman.
No, no, she's not super annoying.
It can be mildly annoying sometimes.
No, but she is very peppy, and I appreciate that.
Now, we couldn't find out, and we didn't want to rewatch the whole movie for this, we couldn't find out, why was she in the basement?
Okay, so if I remember correctly, do not judge me on this.
I judge you on this. Alright, awesome.
But look, so, her stepmother, I don't remember the name, but she married, she had two previous marriages.
One of them, her husband died.
Well, actually, both of them, her husband died.
But I think Ella, who is Camila Cabello, or I'm just going to call her Cinderella, she came from the second marriage.
I think the husband, sorry, the second marriage...
Oh my goodness, I'm so confused.
So the step-mom didn't give birth to her, but she was...
No, yes, thank you.
That's what I was trying to say.
She was a step-mom's husband's kid from another marriage.
Yes, that is... Come on, that's not complicated.
What's the matter with you?
I'm not... Stay focused. Ecoute!
Sorry. This is our annoying family thing.
I was trying to say that, but my brain was not working.
I apologize. So, she lives in the basement, and her name's Ella, but they call her Cinderella because she's got soot on her face all the time, right?
Yeah, absolutely, yeah. So, she's severely abused.
Oh, yeah. Neglected, put down.
Her mother, at one point, throws ink on her precious dress she's going to wear to the ball.
Oh, yeah, and also her dad died.
Let's not mention that. Her dad died. And we have no idea what the heck happened to her mom, either.
Yeah, stepmom hates her.
Sisters are mean to her.
They're not as mean as they normally are in movies.
In the other movies, yeah. And so she's severely abused, neglected, locked in the basement, verbally abused, physically abused.
And what effect does all of that abuse seem to have on her?
Not much. I mean, she's, like, super happy, peppy, positive.
When the king catches her sitting on a statue of him, she's just like, oh, sorry, silly me.
Like, she's all peppy, does not afraid of the king, no problem with authority figures, stands up to her mom, you know.
It's like, no, that's not how it works.
Like, even if you are weirdly resilient to, like, that type of childhood, you are not going to be that peppy that young.
No. I mean, the girl's going through some serious darkness, and they have to have that to make it dramatic.
But then what they always do is they have the woman, usually it's a woman, she goes through serious darkness, and she's just relentlessly pappy.
And I think that makes it very unfair to the people who do actually go through severe abuse.
Yeah, because it's like... They look at that and say, well, why aren't I singing and dancing my way through life?
Now, here's the other thing, too.
Okay, tiny, tiny speech.
You never get these. Sure, I don't.
Tiny speech. Okay, so the woman who wrote this wrote, there was a singing movie.
Oh, the name escapes me.
Anyway, so Pitch Perfect, that's the one.
Oh, yeah, that one. Yeah, and that was the first one we watched.
It was kind of cute. Anyway, so she's...
I wouldn't judge her by this movie, which I think was kind of trashy and kind of politically correct.
But she obviously is very talented, very ambitious.
And so when she was a kid, she would have identified with Cinderella, right?
Yes. So what they always do, these movies with the women, always start out with the I Want song.
I want more travel, life, education.
I want a career.
Like, I want, I want, I want.
And that's how they start their movie, right?
Now, here's the thing. So, this woman who made this movie, she obviously was very ambitious and talented and wanted more out of her life than she had as a kid.
And I think that's great. I'm glad that she pursued that.
I think that's wonderful. But she is extraordinarily rare.
Not male-female, but just the number of people who can will their way and kind of edge their way into making these kinds of big movies?
Very, very few. But here's the thing.
What they do is they say, well, I was so unsatisfied as a kid, and I wanted to be so much more than where I grew up.
That must be everyone. But it's not!
It's not everyone. The vast majority of people are going to get their most meaning out of family and community.
That's great. Right? And I grew up with these people and I worked with these people.
They worked to live.
They'd go in, they'd do their eight hours, they'd go home and they'd spend time with their family and their friends and they'd go bowling and that was their life.
And so every single one of these movies is putting forward this ideal.
You've got to be so much more and you've got to want more and you've got to be a brilliant and talented dressmaker who's going to travel the world and dress queens and queens.
It's like that is like one in 10 million people.
And you're holding up as an ideal for everyone.
And what it does is it makes people really unsatisfied.
It makes women in particular, because it's mostly aimed at women, they want to go off and be these big, talented career artists, blah, blah, blah.
And they generally will fail, as most people do in these industries.
And yet they burn 10 years of youth and fertility and beauty in pursuit of these goals that in the narcissism of the artists, they think everyone wants to have or is capable of achieving.
Sorry, that was a minor rant, but you know what I mean, right?
No, I know what you mean. You know, some guy who's a great singer would be like, everyone should try and be a great singer.
It's like, no, you have a great voice. Yeah, it's like, not that hard.
Just sing. Yeah, just open your mouth and sing, right?
Look, I mean, I know the majority of people are like, oh, I want to be famous, I want to be an actor, I want to be a singer, I want to be a model, whatever, right?
Yeah. It doesn't work, though.
I mean, you have to have the charisma, you have to have the looks, you have to have the ability, and also some of it has to do with intelligence.
Yeah. It's just like, there's so many factors that add up.
And you have to have charisma, the X factor.
Yeah, you have to have everything. And that's only like, as you said, one in like 10 million people.
I mean, you're old enough now, I think, that you watch movies or TV shows, you know you see the same people popping up all over the place, right?
The same actors will sometimes show up in various...
Oh yeah, we'll see like Tom Cruise and that's really...
Or even the secondary parts, you'll see the same people kind of pop up over and over again in the less known roles.
Oh, I don't actually.
I'm not sure. Well, okay, so the woman who played the mom, you know what she's saying before, right?
The woman who played the mom in this one?
The Frozen thing. Yeah, she did the Frozen thing.
Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't have known that, though.
James Corden? I think so.
The chunky guy. Yeah, yeah.
He does the Spill Your Guts or Fill Your Guts or whatever it is.
He's the nightmare. So he shows up in a bunch of different places.
And so we'll see people, and Camila Cabella, of course, she's not starting movies, but she's all over the place on videos and stuff.
So we'll see all of these people.
And the woman who played the skinny sister, I've seen her before, but for the life of me, I can't remember.
So the reason I'm pointing that out is even roles that aren't super important to the movie get filled by the same people over and over again because they can't find enough good actors to make it work, right?
Right, right. So there's not these amazing new actors constantly bursting onto the scene.
It's really tough to be, especially a movie actor, because, you know, they film it out of sequence.
Yeah, yeah. It's like in Among Us, where you have to do it out of sequence, that one sabotage.
Oh no, the one task, 1 to 10.
You have to go to the numbers out of sequence, but you have to go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
Oh yeah, because there's like, yeah, at the start, it's an unlocked manifolds in Reactor in Among Us.
So with movies, if the movie goes, like if it's a movie that goes from January to October, like 10 months, you'll film February, then April, then October, then January.
It's all out of sequence because it depends on where you are.
And so being able to tell the story through while it's out of sequence is a real skill.
And so it's very rare that people are good at that kind of stuff.
And this film, they actually had to interrupt their filming for like four or five months because of COVID. Right, right.
So they started filming, then there was this big break, and then they had to get everyone back and get the sets all done again and all that.
So it's really rare.
But all the people who make it are like, well, I fought for my dream, and I achieved it, so I should really encourage everyone else to fight for their dreams.
And it's like, but most times, most times, those dreams are kind of a fantasy, and they can really mess up your life.
So it's a problem.
Okay, so she wants to be a dressmaker, right?
It's a little girly. Very, very early.
You know, I really want to fix up the sewage system in this town.
No, seriously. Like, when are they ever going to have these, like, oh, you know, this town needs electricity.
I'm going to start an electrical engineering company.
It's always like, I don't know, some sort of makeup-y, gloopy stuff or fashion.
Oh, this is dumb female nonsense.
I know I'm a female saying this, but I mean...
But here's the thing, right?
So everyone's complaining that women make less than men.
And it's like, how much do you think the average dressmaker makes in the world?
Not much. But if she was a petroleum engineer and she got oil out of the ground, she'd make a fortune.
Oh, yeah. So they never encourage women to go into these really tough professions.
It's always like, I want to marry a prince or I want to, you know, whatever, run a makeup empire or something.
Anyway. Okay, so the prince runs into her in town.
Now, he's dressed down, right?
No, hold on. Wait, do I miss something?
There's a step before that. Yeah, no, so this is when she goes onto the statue in the King's thing, remember?
And then he sees her and he's like, oh, I like her.
She's charismatic.
She's sassy. Yeah, and she also...
You know, like most abuse victims really are.
Just totally talk to kings.
My gosh, I'm like, I'm the least abused person in literally the entire world and there's no way I'd ever do that.
You mean to your father? No, I mean, maybe to you or mom, but not to a stranger.
Clearly we're going to need to help the abuse then.
No, but even around some authority figures, you can get a little nervous, which is perfectly natural, right?
It's very European of you.
I won't even go into a store. So the idea that she's just sassy and tough talk of the king and all of that.
Yeah, no, it's like me. When I go into a store and want to buy something from the cashier, I'm not just going to be sassy and all that.
I'm just going to be like, okay, here's my money.
And that's something you want to give money to, right?
As opposed to a very powerful guy you just defended.
Okay, here's the money.
Can you give me my thing now? I'll just be nervous.
So the prince, he dresses down to go into town.
Do you remember why? Because he wants to meet her without getting all the interaction.
Oh, that's right. So the prince sees her on the king's statue, and then he wants to go and see if he can just meet her in town.
You know, the way that you do.
Like, it's a big town. You see someone, you just start wandering around town.
Yeah, just wandering around and see them.
That's how it works. And it was so lucky that she happened to not be sitting in her basement doing dresses or whatever and actually going out and selling them.
Well, she's also, I mean, what a workaholic, because she's got to take care of everything before washing machines and dryers.
She's got to do everyone's laundry, everyone's to clean everything and all that.
And then she also makes all these dresses.
I mean, she'd be exhausted, but of course she looks fresh as a daisy.
She does. And she also somehow is wearing infinite makeup all the time.
And she's trying to sell her dress.
Now, the dress is beautiful.
I think the dresses were nice.
I think, yeah, the one that she was trying to sell, I did not like.
No. But definitely, yeah, I think some of her dresses, like, I don't like dresses, honestly.
I think they're kind of a waste of time, and they're, like, all flowery and just blech.
But anyways, yeah, I gotta say, from my opinion of dresses, they were nice dresses.
They were nice dresses. They were pretty.
So she's trying to sell her dresses, and none of the store owners will buy her dresses.
They think she stole the dress, because she looks very poor, and she's got this very expensive dress.
Yeah, yeah. And also, how did she even buy the materials?
If she's like...
I don't know that we want to lift the logic lid too much on this movie.
Yes, we need logic. Okay, seriously though.
Because it's really expensive stuff.
Yeah, it is. Like, you don't just get dresses like that.
But look, all I'm saying is whenever I come up with a story or make a story or do something that has a story involved, I try and think of every single logic thing that doesn't make sense and solve it.
Ooh, ooh. Go. How did she learn how to make dresses?
That's another thing. Because that's quite a complicated thing.
And they're nice dresses. They aren't just some dumb, falling apart piece of fabric.
They're nice dresses. They have lots of...
So to learn how to make dresses, she would have had to have a huge amount of material that she would have wasted because she would make it badly.
Yeah. It's not like you could hop onto YouTube and find out how to make a dress.
And even if she could, it still takes a lot of time to actually learn how to do it, right?
I struggle. When I get a new drawing app or something because I'm trying to learn new stuff or whatever online, and it's really complicated, not professional ones, but the advanced ones are...
I try and find YouTube tutorials, and I find a YouTube tutorial, and then I'm like, I still have no idea what the heck I'm doing.
So YouTube tutorials, even if it was an infinite source of research, it isn't going to give you everything.
So here's the thing, right?
The townspeople look at this very poor, dirty girl, and they would know her, I assume, because she would be in there buying vegetables and stuff, and she'd have to go and buy all of the food for the family, right?
Because she's their slave, basically.
I'm not 100% sure, because they have that, like, vegetable dude who, like, that creepy...
I'm 100% sure. All right.
No, but they have that creepy vegetable dude, Thomas.
Yeah, we'll get to him, but they would eat more than veggies, right?
Of course, yeah. They'd have meat and milk and pastries.
Yeah, no, you're right. She would. So she would be going into town.
So they would know her in town as the totally poor abuse victim, right?
Yeah. And then she's like, I have this incredibly expensive dress to sell you.
What are they going to think? I bet she stole the fabrics, too.
Well, yeah, maybe that's why the store owners don't like it too much.
His fabric keeps going missing every time.
But see, here's the thing. Like, it's, oh, I can't believe how prejudiced the people are that they think this totally poor person, you know, if there was someone in the neighborhood who we knew was totally broke, and then they said, hey, I want to sell you this $5,000 phone, we'd be like... Um, no.
I think, so once I was in the Don Mills Mall, and these guys pulled up to me in a van, and they said, hey, do you like music?
And I'm like, uh, yes.
And they're like, hey, we got some really, really nice speakers for you.
90% off.
And they opened up the back of the van, right?
And there were these incredible giant speakers, right?
And they're like, you know, cash, cash only, 90% off, but we've got to be quick.
You've got to make a decision, like, right now.
And I'm like, my decision is I don't want to buy stolen goods.
My decision is I'm calling 911.
No kidding. Yeah, yeah. But that's the thing, right?
So if this totally poor girl, and it's like, but it's so prejudicial, they don't want my dresses.
Anyway. Yeah. So then...
Let's talk totally shallow for a sec.
Go. I cannot figure out if she's pretty or not.
I can't either. What is the...
What's wrong with me?
Okay. Here's what it is.
She has a nice face, but her jawline, it goes down.
So you and I have a jawline that kind of stays fairly flat, right?
Oh, yeah. Hers goes...
Like it droops a little? It droops down.
I don't know what it is. Because she has a strong jawline.
She has a nice face. Yeah.
She does look a little smug.
She keeps her kind of eyelashes...
Like, not her, sorry. Not eyelashes.
Her eyelids kind of low down.
Yeah. Like, half...
I open, if you know what I mean, and her eyebrows up a bit, which makes her look kind of smug, but sometimes.
But she has this jawline, and it points kind of downwards, and it makes her face look long, but also small, which is a way of, like, cute and also stern, and it does not look nice.
Yeah, because sometimes she looks great.
Other times I'm like, eh, kind of plain.
Yeah, no, some angles she's, like, beautiful.
She's like, wow, you have really nice looks.
But other angles it's just, like, And the reason, like, I don't want to judge her on her looks or anything, but the question is, so the prince, like, he finds her obviously pretty.
She has a charm to her, without a doubt, a sort of positive energy.
But he sees her trying to sell this dress, and he's like, I'll give you three times the money for it, three times the price, right?
Yes. Now, why does he want to do that?
Because he's just kind of generous. Chemistry.
Chemistry. Okay. So he wants to date her, right?
Yeah. And so he'll offer triple the money, and then do you know what she says?
But why would you do that?
Why would you do that?
It's exactly like she sounds, by the way.
It's almost like we just took a section of the movie and just reproduced it right here.
Why would you do that? So, okay, do you think...
It's like, hello, are you not aware?
So there's a movie, it was a play, and it had a big effect on me when I was younger, called Street Kind and Desire.
So this really flighty woman, who's kind of older and a little desperate, stands under a light and says to a guy, Do you think it's possible that I could ever have been considered attractive?
And he said, I don't go for that stuff.
And she's like, what on earth do you mean?
I don't go for that stuff. I don't compliment women about their looks.
I never met a woman who wasn't perfectly aware of how attractive she was.
And a lot of them give themselves more credit than they actually have.
Yeah. And so I think that women are very, very well aware when a man is romantically interested in them.
I can kind of think that, yeah.
I think so, right? And one of the clues is a guy comes and offers you three times the money for something you're selling.
I think she was selling it for like five or something.
No. It was either two or five silver coins or coins or whatever.
And he gave her like 15.
I'm not 100% sure. He said three times.
I don't know whether it was two or five though.
So if a guy is offering you a huge amount of money and he's young and attractive and you're young and attractive, as she is, And she's like, why would you do that?
Like, it's just this pretend dumbness that drives me crazy.
It really, like, it's like she knows exactly why he's offering her the money because he's romantically interested in her.
Yeah. And also, I don't know, I mean, there's always, like, signs.
There's like, I mean, you can even see it.
I remember one of our friends.
The pupils are dilated and he's panting.
What? I don't know. I'm sorry, what?
You can talk to mom about that stuff.
I'm not going to help you.
I'm now nervous. In fact, I'll do the opposite of help as usual.
But anyway, go on. No, do you remember a friend?
I'm not going to say names or anything, but the older one.
And we saw this guy who was making, I guess, googly eyes at her.
Goofy eyes. Goofy eyes. I thought it was googly eyes.
Never mind. But anyways, that's our word for trying to like someone.
We got that from the first episode of My Three Sons.
Do you remember he was talking about that girl making goofy eyes at him?
Yeah. No, but he got...
He's like... You could see it.
And we said to her, like, he's trying to flirt with you.
And she's like, no, I have no idea.
She's like, no, he's just being friendly.
It's like, no, he's not.
Right, right. I mean... Like, he's being friendly, but not in, like, just a friendly way.
So some years ago, there was this thing called The Secret, right?
And it was like... You know, the universe just wants to give you, you just have to ask the universe for things and it will provide.
What does that even mean? And, well, no, it means that, and everyone who talked about this was super attractive.
And it's like, well, yeah, I get it.
Yeah, so guys want to buy you stuff, but it's not the universe, it's their hormones.
Anyway, so then he invites her to the ball, which is being held like two weeks later, and with the promise of introducing her to all these people all over the world for her to sell her dresses to.
Rich people will help you out.
So let me give you a scenario.
Let me see. Okay, so let's say you're in the park, right?
And some guy comes up and he's like, hi, listen, I'm going to make all of your dreams come true by introducing you to really rich people who are going to give you huge amounts of money.
Come with me. I would run in the opposite direction calling 911.
Yeah, so people who just bounce into your life offering to make all of your dreams come true are probably going to kidnap you and sell you into slavery or something.
Hey, you want some dreams? Let's put you to sleep real fast.
Oh yeah, no, like that's...
I don't know what it is where people are not more alarmed about these kinds of things, but to me that would be terrifying.
I remember I saw that. I didn't quite grasp it at the time, but I was like, that's really weird.
Yeah. What is he doing?
So, yeah, that's creepy.
People who just bounce in and say, I'm going to fix your life.
I'm going to pay off all your debts.
I'm going to make all your dreams come true.
It's like, they are going to control you and probably sell you as vegetable paste.
I don't know what that means. All right, speaking of vegetable paste.
How exactly do you turn humans into vegetable paste?
With magic! So then we start talking about Thomas.
Now, Thomas reminds me of who in Pride and Prejudice?
That creepy dude.
The priest guy, right?
Yeah, the priest guy. The actor absolutely inhabited that dude, by the way.
Yeah, that's the British version from 1995.
And that actor, he was so...
Oh, he was creepy.
He's just like, you want to wash after you've been around, even seeing him on screen.
Oh, you just need to bleach...
Bleach your eyeballs. Do not bleach your eyeballs.
So, Thomas the Vegetable Merchant already wants to marry Ella, right?
Now, here's the thing.
This is what drives me nuts, of many things.
So, you have this...
He's a spoiled rich boy, the prince, right?
Yeah. He's doing nothing with his life.
He's got no plans.
He just seems to wash his face a lot and stroll around town.
And he just hangs out with his good time boys.
And he's got no plans, no ambitions.
He's a total, what's called a wastrel.
I mean, he's just kind of hanging up, taking up space, doing nothing, right?
Doesn't want to become king. Doesn't want to have any ambitions.
He's just like a pretty boy, right?
I mean, it'd be like me if I didn't have any ambitions.
Anyway, so that's just so the audience can roll their eyes and get some exercises in.
Now, to be a merchant is to sell stuff.
Now, can you sell stuff if people hate you?
No. No. You can't.
You can't. Being unlikable is going to get you pepper sprayed.
Especially if you're unlikable, but especially if you're creepy unlikable.
Because remember, I don't remember the exact lines, but in the very start, he's like, just coming to check off on your daughters.
Remember at the very start, it's like, what the heck?
That's wrong. No, that's weird.
Stop. Do you remember what I'm talking about?
He's really smug.
He's really supercilious, which means kind of fake and weird.
He's out there in the world.
He's built a whole business. He's selling things.
People have to like him.
He's skilled. He's unlikable.
Which makes no sense. But the boy who's grown up, rich, handsome, spoiled, never had to work a day in his life, never has to worry about anything, and he's, like, super charming, and that's just the opposite.
He's not charming? Yeah, that's the opposite of the way things would...
Okay. But they have to make you feel that business is bad, and royalty, where, like, the government is good, and business is bad.
Anyway. Also, I wanted to say, that prince...
Not, not, no. Not charming.
No. You didn't think so?
No. But he sang a Queen song.
So that's plus five points in anybody's rational objective book.
No, it doesn't. No, it isn't.
Look, all I'm saying, maybe some people found him charming, but I thought he was just annoying and punchable.
Go on. I just want to...
I don't know exactly what it was about him, but he was very punchable, in my opinion.
He was lazy.
That's true. He was lazy.
I'm not sure. I'm not sure, honestly.
Can I take a guess? I don't want to tell you your feelings, but I would take a guess.
Did he ever say one serious thing the entire movie?
He did. He did.
What? Near the end of the movie, he was saying, oh, I just realized I don't have to be king.
I can do whatever I want.
I can come and waste 20 years of my life selling dresses.
That's not a serious thing.
What? He's saying he never wants to have a serious thing.
He just wants to go around and be a boy toy of this woman who's selling dresses to the murderer's friend.
That's true. We'll get to that in a second, right? Oh, yeah, we'll get to that.
No, he's saying, hey, I can totally waste my life.
That's going to be great. That's not a serious thing.
He's avoiding seriousness. That's true, but at least he's saying something mildly important to his life decisions.
Which is saying, I never want to make any important life decisions.
Hey, at least it's important to his life decisions.
No, you can't have this one, I'm sorry.
I'm going to have to take this one from your hand.
I can't have this one. I will force it. No, okay.
So, no, because he's just kind of goofy.
He's just silly. He's got no sense.
He's got no depth. He's got no reason or morals.
He would be crazy. He would drive you nuts going through life with him.
No, he's fine.
Everything's no problem. A chaotic friend to bring chaos to your life, but that's most.
That's, like, at most. Yeah, because, look, serious things do happen in life, and it's great to have fun, but you also have to have the capacity to have some kind of seriousness.
Oh, for sure. And the whole movie is like, seriousness is for silly boys.
Yeah. So, let's see here.
Oh, yeah, yeah, okay. So, Ella goes to this ball, and she meets this Tatiana, or Tatiana.
So, she's a queen who's visiting the kingdom.
Now... Do you remember what Tatiana confesses to when the very first moment she meets Ella?
Oh, yeah. She's like, oh, yeah, no, I murdered so I could get to be called.
Like, get this title of your majesty.
Yeah, it must be great to be queen. I hope so.
I had to kill to get it. So she basically murdered someone to become queen.
Yeah, like, hello. And you just want to travel the world with her and make dresses for her and basically be her slave?
So this woman... The first moment she meets you, she says, I killed someone.
I murdered someone. And she's like, come with me away from the kingdom to remote places where nobody knows you.
Yeah. Again, you're in a park.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right?
And someone comes and says, hey, you know, I just killed a guy.
Come in my van. I'll take you to a wonderful place where you'll make lots of money.
Again, 9-1-1, the pepper spray, and running in the opposite direction, right?
Yeah. So, I mean, she's an actual murderer.
It's saying, come with me where nobody can find you.
It's like, hey, want to see who I murdered? Well, she's probably just going to sell her into slavery or something, right?
It's just so bizarre.
So, anyway, so then Prince Robert proposes to her, right?
And she says, can I still be a dressmaker?
And he says, no, you're kind of...
You're the queen.
It's going to be, you know, not dressmaking stuff, right?
And she's like, no, I don't... So she says, no, I don't want to just be ornamental.
Excuse me. Her dresses are all ornamental.
They're made to look people ornamental.
Sorry, that's not even a sentence, but you know what I mean.
So she wants to dress a queen.
She's going to go and be with a queen who's totally ornamental.
And she makes totally ornamental dresses, but she says, well, I just don't want to be ornamental, because ornamental is bad.
I want to be judged for my personality.
That's your whole gig. That's your whole thing is ornamental crap.
Yeah. That's completely impractical.
And yet, but I don't want to be ornamental.
Ornamental is bad. It's like, that's your entire resume.
Yeah. Sorry.
Okay, so then Vivian is the stepmom, the Let It Go singer girl, right?
Yeah, yeah. Now, she's mean, right?
But do you remember with Maleficent?
And also with Mulan, right?
Yes. If there's a female character who's mean, can she ever just be mean?
Nope. What are you talking about?
She has to have some reason about why her life...
In this case, she's like, well, you know, I wanted to be a pianist, but my first husband said no after I went to the school, and then I couldn't be a pianist.
No, I'm sad and mean!
Right. Because pianos!
Right. Now that...
It's so dumb. It's so dumb.
I hate it. But it's key to the story.
Piano keys. Yeah. Thank you.
Key. Key. And it's not just black and white.
Just for the viewers, you only have to put up with this for a show.
I have to put up with this for 12 years.
Well, actually 18 years.
Pretty much. You think you're getting away after that anyway.
Yeah. I'll try. All right.
So... Okay.
That's very... That's very... So if she's evil...
A woman can't be evil.
She can only be evil because a man has been mean to her.
That's a rule. If I ever direct a movie, which I probably never will, but if I ever do...
You already have, in a way. What? With your movies.
Oh, the animation. The animation movies.
You made all the choices. You wrote, you chose all the scenes, the characters.
You directed a movie. That's true.
Okay, but I mean, like, with, like, something that's actually going to end up popular, like, shown up, right?
I will swap every single stereotype in the entire movie and make, instead of women being the perfect one, men are going to be the perfect ones and women are just going to be straight up evil.
Now, I know I am a woman saying that women are going to be evil, but they are.
But you just want to make this, like, you want to make it...
It's like, make it fair! Yeah. Remember in Mulan, there was this guy who looked totally gross, and he was just evil.
No cause. Now, here's the funny thing, right?
Most boys are raised by moms or dads?
Moms. That's right.
Because of the single moms.
Well, and also, just if there's a woman home, it's mostly the moms.
Most teachers for young boys are...
Female. Female. Which I think needs to be swapped.
I think either, like, have...
Female schools with female teachers, or male schools with male teachers, but personally I think teachers should be male.
I think men are better at explaining things than women are, and frankly men can be way less annoying.
Well, but here's the thing, too.
If you've got boys growing up without a father and they don't get any male authority figures in school, then it...
I mean, I remember hearing all about the patriarchy and it's like, outside of boarding school, I barely met a male teacher until I was in my early teens.
Yeah, and also I think, like, I don't know how to...
I lost my thought.
I'm sure it will return.
It's okay. It will return soon.
So here's the thing. So she's mean, but only because a man was mean to her.
So the origin story of the woman being mean is a man was mean to her.
But the true origin story for a lot of people is that if they grow up dysfunctional, a lot of times, of course, if a boy is raised and he becomes evil or a girl is raised and becomes evil...
We would look... First place, we would look at who raised them and who educated them.
And for most of their childhood, that would be women.
Yeah. For the most part, right?
Again, maybe it's 60-40, 70-30, or whatever.
Oh, I remember the thought I had. Go.
I was going to say, especially since there's so many single moms who've made such dumb decisions on their husbands, which I have no sympathy for.
I just want to get that out there.
Oh, it's out there. It's out there.
All right. No, but since there's so many single moms...
That are raising boys and also girls, there needs to be more male authority figures like teachers.
Because, like, if you are going to shove your kids in government-run schools for pretty much their entire childhood and also daycare, you've got to at least have something useful to that.
I like to break this out.
I think it's worth talking about in a little bit more detail because I find this really fascinating.
So Vivian is the stepmom's name, right?
And she's got this story.
I played piano all the time as a kid.
I wanted to be a famous pianist.
I wanted to go to this piano school, blah, blah, blah.
But my husband said, if you go to a piano school and you want to become a famous pianist, I'm divorcing you, right?
Now that's really interesting.
I think that's good.
Women are not supposed to have a career.
They're supposed to stay home with their kids.
No, listen. Some women...
I think for some women it's great to have a career.
No, it's not. No, it is.
Some women don't like kids.
They have really great talents and ambitions.
They want to go out there. I mean, as I say, a lot of the women...
A lot of the intellectuals who've influenced me philosophically have been women.
A lot of them didn't have kids.
And it was right for them to do that, I think.
Yeah, I think... If you absolutely hate kids and can't stand them, then A, you've been around really dumb kids and badly raised kids.
But no, if you really hate kids and cannot stand kids, then fine.
Do you know what? Whatever. Don't have kids.
If you're going to be a bad parent, don't be a parent.
Then that's fine.
But I think if you're like, well, I want to have my career and then I want to have kids.
That's the wrong way to do it. No, you can have kids, like your most fertile age is like 20, or like around 20, right?
Go have kids. Plus you can get by in a little sleep, but you've got tons of energy.
Yeah, go have kids when you're 20 and get your dumb career later in life.
Right.
Because if you have the career, then you've got to break it up for a couple of years in your 30s and then try and get your career.
And also, society has just wasted like $200,000 training you to be some career thing or whatever.
Yeah. But government asks, once you're up there paying taxes right now, whereas if you have kids, it costs the government money because they don't do healthcare and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, yeah. So let's go back to this woman's marriage that's just talked about, right?
So she'd been playing piano, and she loved piano, and she gets married, right?
Now, she didn't start learning piano after she got married.
No. Because she couldn't be that good if she had started later in life, right?
No. So the husband knew she played piano, but he didn't want her to be a piano player, like a professional piano.
Why? Because they have to travel all the time, right?
That means he can't have a job, and that also means she's going to be a terrible mom if she's traveling everywhere.
Yeah, that's what I mean. Even if she does, she's going to be terrible.
Yeah, I mean, so if you're a piano player, you're traveling all over the place, what's he going to do?
He's going to have no wife. Or he's going to, what, go and just live with her and the kids are going to be in hotel rooms after...
Like, how? You can't have a life like that.
Kids need a stable home. If you have kids, you can't just keep moving with your kids.
They need, at least until they're 10, minimum, they need a place that they can call home and that they can sleep in at night and they know that it's secure.
Because that's how everyone grew up a long time ago.
This is their genetics. They think, if we are moving everywhere and we don't have a stable home, that must think things are so...
Sentence escaped me. Alright, that must mean things are not going well in society.
We're on the run. We're on the run, right?
So that's why, just have your kids as a stable home.
Even if they know nothing's wrong in society, their instincts and genetics from history are going to be saying, hey, stuff's going badly.
One tiny exception, but I think it actually proves your point, which is that before we became agriculture, do you remember how long ago that was?
I do not. 10,000 years or so.
So before we became agricultural society, we would follow the herds, right?
Yeah, yeah. But it would still be the woods.
It wasn't like a totally different environment all the time, like a different city or a different country.
It was like, oh, here's some different woods.
It was still kind of the same. Yeah, here's some different woods and some different grasslands and a different river.
So he doesn't want a wife who's a professional piano player.
The odds of her making it as a professional piano player to the point where she can support a family of virtually zero.
Pretty much, yeah. She's going to have to travel all the time, which means he can't have a job because it's not like you could log on to a computer back then and do it that way.
Yep. So the whole thing, so when they got married, he said, I want someone to stay home and raise kids, right?
Now she must have said yes to that.
Otherwise, he wouldn't have married her.
Or he would have said, listen, I don't want a professional piano player.
I know you love piano, but I don't want a professional piano player because I don't want to travel all the time.
It's bad for kids. I don't want to give up my job.
I don't want to give up my job.
And so she married this guy on the understanding that she wasn't going to be a professional piano player and that he had expectations of her that she agreed to in order to get married.
Yeah, it's like when you say...
Or whatever it was going to be, right? Yeah, it's like when you say, oh, I want to have kids.
Like, oh, yeah, totally. If we get married, we'll have kids, right?
And then a year into marriage, you're like, actually, no, I don't really want kids.
Well, and that's as bad as a...
You know, let's say there's some guy who makes good money.
And then a year into marriage, he just quits his job.
And let's say they already have a kid, right?
And she's staying home. And he's like, you know what?
I want to become a mime.
You know, those people who pretend walls and stuff like that.
And... And she's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hang on. I got married to you and I had kids and stayed home on the expectation you'd provide.
You can't quit your job. Because that's the deal, right?
And if he did quit his job, she might divorce him, right?
Because she's like, I need someone to provide for my kids, right?
So she, this woman Vivian, she got married to a guy.
Either she totally hid from him that she played piano and wanted to become a piano player, in which case she totally lied to him about the most important thing, which is your conditions for getting married.
That's the most important thing. That's what you need to say.
You know, I mean, I've said this to my listeners.
I've said it to you. I'll say it again.
Who you marry is the most important decision you may ever make in your life.
You gotta stick with them for the long time.
Well, you're making yourself incredibly vulnerable.
You're making kids with them.
You're making a life with them. And if they divorce you, they can wreck your life completely.
So you gotta honor those deals, right?
Honor those deals. Whatever deals you make, you can't...
Especially if you're a woman, because it's way worse if you're a woman and you divorce a man than if the man divorces you.
It's pretty bad. Yeah, it's pretty bad.
So she either lied to him about wanting to become a piano player Or she totally hit it completely.
Both of them. In which case, if she did do either of those, she 100% deserves.
So then he's going to divorce her.
Because if he says, look, the last thing I want is to trail after you as a piano player trying to make money off tips in 19th century wherever it is, right?
Yeah. And so she's like, no, I'm going to go to this piano school and I'm going to be a piano player.
And he's like, that's not what we agreed on.
That's not the marriage deal. No.
And then he just divorced me.
It's like, well, you lied to him, or you hid it from him, or you tried to change the deal, which you can't do in marriage.
No, you make your deal, you stick with your deal.
Yeah, I mean, look, when you buy a house, you sign a mortgage, and you pay whatever it is in the amount.
You can't just sit there and say, oh, I'm going to cut that by half, or I'm now going to pay you in oranges or something, right?
I mean, that's the deal. And that's just a house.
We're talking about a marriage. The marriage deal, you cannot mess with.
You cannot mess with the marriage deal.
And then she totally messed with the marriage deal and then she's a total victim because she chose a guy who clearly didn't want her to be a piano player and she either hid it from him or lied to him about that.
She changed the deal on him completely to ruin the marriage and then she feels like a total victim and gets to be a totally horrible mother because he divorced her when she totally broke her marriage vows.
He did die though before he divorced her.
He did? Yeah, I'm really sure both of her husbands previously died.
That's a little sinister, isn't it?
I know.
The video wasn't on me, but that's why I said he died, in quotes.
There's a very funny but dark line from a very famous comedian, a playwright.
He wrote very funny plays.
We should watch them someday. His name was Oscar Wilde.
And in one of his plays, one character says, character A says to character B, oh, tell me about your parents.
And he says, oh, I'm afraid I've lost both my parents.
And he says, oh, that's bad.
You know, to lose one parent, I could think of that as misfortune, but to lose both of them seems like carelessness.
Wait, what? It's a little funny.
It's a little funny. He's the guy who said, I can resist anything except temptation.
Or he also said, be yourself.
Everyone else is taken. I think he's a very funny guy.
Oh, I know, but that's so sinister.
It is sinister, right?
It's misfortune. So, let's see here.
So everyone has a dream.
So Cinderella has a dream.
The sister of the prince who's always talking about we need more welfare and we need more, you know, Democrat Party principle things.
We need renewable energy.
And, you know, she was probably wobbling on about climate change at some point or not.
I kind of glazed out whenever she was talking.
But so everyone has this dream and they got to pursue this dream.
And manual labor is just terrible, except for the toothsome guy.
Yeah. So this was the dark-haired guy who was like throwing hail.
Throwing hail. I put bay and hail together.
Throwing hay bales up on a carriage.
No, he's throwing hail. I didn't think he was super handsome, but I guess he was considered pretty handsome.
I thought he was attractive. Yeah, well, you would be the better judge than me, right?
So, now that guy, he's like, oh, he's so handsome.
Now, he doesn't get a song about how I can't believe I'm throwing hay around my whole life.
I've got a dream that I want to be a dancer or something like that.
So, he just gets to be some guy who just is a manual laborer.
But for all the women, manual labor is something that you've got to just never do and it's really bad and all of that.
Like, throwing hay bales for someone else is totally fine.
Actually, cooking for your own kids is terrible.
No, you've got to make your orphan do it.
And here's the other thing, too.
If he's so attractive, why doesn't one of the girls marry him?
I know. No, seriously.
No, because she said you can't marry that low.
Right. So the prince should marry a commoner.
Yeah. But they should never marry the handsome hay bale guy.
Yep. The girls, right?
Yep. So, they're expecting people to reach down and marry them from the heights of social topness.
Sorry, I just made that up. I don't know what that means.
They would never dip down a little bit to marry the hay bale guy.
I just think that's kind of hypothetical. And that wasn't even a lot.
I mean, they're high up, but, like, how the heck are they getting money?
Like, I get the two husbands that died on accident gave them money or left money for her, but you can't, like, maintain a lifestyle that, like...
I don't know. I mean, you just, you can't, like, without, like...
Yeah, here's the thing, too. Like, they got free slave labor with regards to Cinderella, right?
What job does the mother have?
She doesn't. She has no job.
She just sits there. Why on earth can't she play piano, then?
I know. What is stopping her from playing piano?
Her kids are grown. She's got no job.
She's got free money.
Why on earth can't she just go be a piano player?
Yeah, that's true. I didn't think of that. But no, my husband, 20 years old.
Anyway. All right, so the King's Marriage.
Oh, here's a guy you see.
He actually used to play James Bond, the guy with the beard.
He used to play a famous spy in movies.
Okay. And he had a...
His name is Pierce Brosnan, which is a great name for a handsome guy.
It is, I think. Because his eyes are piercing.
Are they? No, it seems just kind of like a tough guy name.
First of all... He's the father, so we have to have a different scale for his singing, obviously.
That's important. A worse scale?
Yeah, so the king's marriage is not going well, right?
Because his wife is like, oh, you're never romantic, you don't do anything romantic, all you care about is running.
You married me, now I have to run a kingdom, deal with it.
Yeah, you married a king, and then you're surprised somehow that the king has a kingdom to run.
Yeah, it's like... So then what does he do?
He decides to go and be romantic and he sings under her window.
He kneels down in his armor and he sings to her.
I think that's somewhat of an accurate phrase.
I'm not sure if it was like wounded seal noises, strangled seal noises.
But he sings to her.
He finally does what she wants to do something romantic.
And what does she do? She scoffs at him.
She makes fun of him. Mocks him and all that.
And I think that's kind of mean, right?
And her voice is perfect, of course.
Naturally, naturally. I did enjoy seeing the angle grinders powered with electricity in the 19th century.
But anyway, the anti-male stuff.
I hate it. All the men are goofy or silly.
I would prefer anti-female over anti-male because females in this day and time have such a...
Perfect life. They have so much to choose from.
They have so much stuff. They can never get drafted.
They get to vote. Like, everything.
And they're only bad because some mean man they chose was mean to them.
Well, even, like, now, like, in modern society, is what I'm saying.
Like, they never get drafted.
I know there, like, aren't wars anymore, really, but, like, they never get drafted.
They have all these dumb equality stuff.
They have to get the same pay wages. Well, more than equality, right?
Yeah, yeah. No, they get, like, extra.
I just don't... I wish it was anti-female, because they have such an...
Well, I'd like it to be neutral for both.
I know, but if it has to be anti-something, make it anti-female.
Right, right. So here's the thing, too.
So this Cinderella, this dressmaker, do we ever see her reading a book, studying business, studying how to run a shop, studying taxes, studying regulations, studying importing?
Nothing. She just sits there and makes dresses and is pretty, and that's somehow going to translate into, like...
I knew this woman who was like, I'm going to make jewelry.
And she'd just make jewelry.
And it would be like, how are you going to sell it?
Oh, I'll throw something online.
And it never worked, right?
And she just kept making more and more jewelry.
And it's like, but if you don't know how to market it, if you don't know how to get it out there, as I said before, I spent 80% of my...
But if you just made YouTube videos or videos, right?
And never published them.
Or publish them and never try to promote them.
Yeah, or even if like, yeah, even like, I mean, it's just, it wouldn't work.
It'd just be such a dumb idea.
In the beginning of my show, I spent 80% of my time promoting it.
Yeah. Just going to forums, emailing it to people, writing articles and putting links to the podcast at the bottom because having something without getting it out there.
So anyway, so don't study business.
Don't study accounting.
Don't study marketing.
Just have a dream and be pretty and some man will swoop in and then the murder queen will get you all that, right?
Yeah. And here's the thing, too.
Oh, my gosh. This self-pity thing, and I don't think this is true for women as a whole, but it's something that's constantly pounded into women's heads, is that women feel that they're the only ones who ever get their dreams crushed.
They're the only ones who ever have to make compromises, and men get everything they want.
Yeah, it's like, hello, do you think men wanted to be drafted?
Well... Men pay the majority of taxes.
Men fight the majority of the wars.
Men are even more harmed by coronavirus.
Men are the ones who have to support families.
Yeah. I mean, a lot of men have dreams.
They want to go be a professional football player, or they want to go and be a singer, or they want to go play guitar in some band, or they want to go be...
And they get a woman pregnant, or the woman gets pregnant, and then they have to give up all of that, and they just have to go to work in a factory.
And there's so many men who give up their dreams, or their dreams get crushed by society, or whatever it is, or whatever.
And it happens to men and it happens to women, but you almost never see it happening in a movie.
If there's anyone getting their dreams crushed, it's always mean men and pretty women getting their dreams crushed.
And I think that's really sad because it means that everybody has dreams that get crushed.
I mean, look, I've had dreams that got crushed and actually I'm very glad that they did get crushed because it got me to a much better place.
So yeah, this idea that it's only women who ever get their dreams crushed and men get everything they want because patriarchy is just really a way of setting women against men and it's really sad.
Yeah. Well, as I wanted to say, the more women that fall for this stuff, which I'm just going to call them dumb women, if they don't get married, then they're not going to have dumb kids.
That's all I'm going to say about that.
Well, I would like to see a story.
I don't know if you could even make it in this sort of political climate these days, but I'd like to see a movie about two sisters.
And one sister decided to get married young, raise kids, and then she had a career of some importance later on in life, you know, because, you know, you raise your kids from 20.
To, you know, 30, the kids are getting older, and, you know, in your early 30s, you can, and you can study on the side if you want, and then you've got, from the age of, like, say, 35 to 70, that's 35 years straight, that you can have a great career and do whatever it is that you want, right?
Do you remember I was going to make an animated story about that?
It wasn't going to be sisters, it was going to be...
Okay, yeah, so I had a story like the one you were saying.
It was going to animate it.
I never got around to doing it, but I was.
It wasn't the sisters, but it was a group of friends, and they were all female.
And they finished their high school or middle school.
I forget which one is last.
And they... We're all, like, applying for universities, and a bunch of them were like, oh, hey, what university you're going accepted to?
I got accepted into this cool one here, and I'm going to learn this or whatever.
And this one friend was like, you know, I'm actually going to settle down and have kids early.
I think that's more important than having a career in my young age.
And they were all like, what? No, that's never going to work.
You can't do that, right? Anyways, there would be some more story to that, but let's just fast forward later on in life.
It was a bunch of years later and the friends were all depressed because they didn't have kids and they weren't married.
They all had older cats and stuff like that.
And they called up the friend that settled down early.
And was like, oh, hey, do you want to get together at some point for, like, I don't know, a girls' night or whatever?
And she's like, nah, I got kids I got to deal with.
And it was just, and she was, like, really happy.
She was rich. She had a nice husband.
She had nice kids. Big property.
Just stuff like that. I mean, not a super great story or great way of explaining it, but, you know, that's kind of the idea.
I would like to see. And the woman is, you know, she's happy.
She's fulfilled. She's got kids, grandkids, extended family.
She's got a meaningful life.
And another woman who's like, oh, to heck with that.
I'm going to go, you know, study some useless crap and then get a job that's not very fulfilling and then try and settle down in my mid to late 30s when...
I don't have much time and there aren't really many quality men left and so on.
And just, you know, that there's an upside to getting married and being a parent.
And there's a downside because, you know, most women and most men, you're not going to be the chief executive officer.
You're not going to be the movie star.
You're not going to be the top model.
You're not going to be the top person because there's like that's 0.00001% of people.
And that's the same number. Actually, more people win the lottery than become famous because somebody wins the lottery every week.
People don't become famous every week.
So, the idea that you're going to have this wonderful, amazing career that's going to be more fulfilling than being a parent, I mean, I know you hate compliments, so I won't give you a compliment, but I will say that it's the greatest thing in the world is being a dad.
No, I hate compliments. The greatest thing in the world is being a dad, and I have a very meaningful career, but the greatest thing in the world is being a dad.
And so, you would never see that story about a woman Who was happy having kids and having a career.
And then a woman who postponed having kids so long that she couldn't really have them, ended up alone, kind of bitter, kind of lonely.
Yeah. And people felt sorry for her, but they couldn't fix her because she couldn't have kids anymore.
I mean, I think that would be a great story, but you'd never see it.
In fact, if you tried to make that story and put it out there in contemporary culture, I mean, it would be like, you know those memes where there's this nuclear bomb going off?
It would be kind of like that, but it would go on for six months.
Yeah. And so, anyway, we'll get to the end here, and it's a strangest ending.
It was, yeah. Because normally it's like they get married, they live happily ever after, but that's not the way it goes.
And that's what I liked about the old Cinderella's.
I mean, like, I was never a massive fan of, like, the Disney Princess movie.
I think I mentioned that earlier. But, I mean, hey, you know, at least they had good morals and virtues and storytelling and stuff like that.
Right. And this one's basically, like, Cinderella, but modernized.
Right. So, um, Robert just gives up being a prince, gives up his future in the kingdom, and And he's just going to go and travel the world as the boy toy of Ella, who's going with the murder queen to sell dresses to sinister people in other lands, I assume, right? Yeah. Now, that's strange.
It is. Because it's like, what's he going to do?
Yeah. So she can't be ornamental, but he can be.
Yeah. She has to have a career and can't just be the head of state, even though she would be the mother of kids.
But he can just be around being pretty while she makes and sells dresses.
Now he's going to get, she's going to, let's say that she gets an order for 50 dresses.
She's going to be working 80 hour weeks for months.
What's he going to do? He's going to sit there.
He's just going to sit there and watch her.
He's going to get totally bored.
He's going to want to go home.
He's going to feel weird. He's going to be in some foreign country.
He's going to lie in this weird land with weird people.
Yeah, with weird people, weird land, and he doesn't care about the dresses.
And also, let's just do one thing that absolutely makes...
Let's turn this into logic.
Back then, there weren't immunity vaccines and stuff like that that you could take to be immune to diseases and viruses and stuff.
And they didn't have that.
So if he's going to some foreign country, right?
That's an excellent point.
They're all going to get really bad diseases that their immune system wasn't designed for.
Right. Yeah, the average white person went to Africa in the 19th century.
They lasted, I think, 14 months before dying.
Yeah. Because there are just so many diseases in Africa.
That's what I mean. Because there's no immune system.
And they obviously don't have, like, vaccines where they take the dead virus and, like, put it into a vaccine so your body doesn't get immune.
Immune, whatever. I lost English.
But anyways. Wow.
That wouldn't work. Right, right.
See, this is what I mean. I put logic.
You give me a movie, it's going to get logic.
Logic, that's right. Yeah, so basically, she's just going to get shipped back in a box of rotting, diseased flesh, and that's it.
She's going to spread diseases back to her town.
Yeah, come home or whatever, right?
Oh, that's a very good point, yeah.
Cinderella 2, the plague.
No, she might bring an entire plague back to her country.
That would be bad.
Or send it back in the dresses or something.
Oh, you want dresses here?
It's just like they have such different standards for men and women.
So he can be totally ornamental and that's totally fulfilling for him.
But if she's ornamental, even though she's raising kids, now you could say, well, he'll be raising their kids, but they don't get married, right?
No, they're just like, I remember in the ceremony.
We're just going to travel together.
In the ceremony thing near the end of the movie where he's like, oh yeah, this Gwen, the princess, is first in line for the throne now.
And she was giving a speech and then she turned around and she's like, what even are you guys?
And they're just like, we're in the line here!
No commitment. We're just going to travel together and shack up together and live together.
And where's he going to get his money from?
I guess he gets his money from her dresses from the murder queen.
Oh, yeah. It's very, very sad.
Very sad. Just run away from all of your responsibilities.
Just go travel the world and don't get married and don't have kids and don't have a future and don't have dreams for the boy.
And that's totally fine. But, of course, if it's the girl, it's a disaster.
So, anyway. So, sometimes people give the five stars thing.
I'd give it five stars in terms of stuff to talk about.
Oh, zero star movie.
Zero? Zero star.
You get... Fine.
Half a star because your dresses at least had nice colors.
Some of them. 0.25 for a Queen song?
No, they stole it.
And also, let's point out, I know this is like a style of movies.
They chose like two good songs out of all the songs they could have stolen.
It's called the Jukebox Musical and they're common now because there's so many good songs you can buy and it's just hard to write a good song.
No, the Queen song, and personally, I don't really like the original version.
I think it's called...
Material Girl?
No, not that one. I hate that song.
It's perfect. It's like the duo.
It's when they were in the ball together, and they're like, oh, we're so in love after a day of meeting each other.
Do you remember that song? Was it original?
It was not original. No, they stole it.
It was a popular song.
It was a guy and a girl singing...
I'll explain it in the movie, because I remember you said you copied it, and you liked the original better.
Like, they copied it. But it was...
I'll look it up. You keep talking.
Yeah. Let's see.
It was...
I think it was called Perfect.
I think that's what the song might be.
Oh, that's an Ed Sheeran song. You Look Perfect.
Ed Sheeran. Yeah. You Look Perfect or something like that.
Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes.
Okay. That song, I think...
I don't like the original, but I like the one they did in that movie.
It sounded nice together. Um...
I don't get the Ed Sheeran thing myself.
What do you mean? Some artists I get.
I don't get the John Legend thing.
I don't get the Sheeran thing. I do not like Ed Sheeran at all.
His song sounds like modern songs mixed with like 80s songs.
Like some of them. Some of the popular ones.
Because, like, modern songs, hey, you know what, they all sound fairly nice, but there's nothing too special about them.
Now, in my opinion of music, obviously because I'm, like, modern or whatever, back in the, like, 80s and 90s songs, not a massive fan of them, but hey, you know, they all sound different.
They all sound unique. They all have, like, unique styles.
Yes, I know you're giving me that look.
Everybody from the 80s knows that song immediately.
Is it a blues song? No, it's by a band called Soft Cell.
It's a remake of an old blues song.
But all I'm saying is the songs in the 80s, not a fan of them.
But hey, they all sounded different.
They all sounded unique. And the modern songs, you know, they're nice, but they're so repetitive.
They're like two or three artists that I actually like because they all sound different.
It's always like nice tune, rap, or nice tune, exit.
Yeah. It's not my style.
I don't like it. Alright, so we would not recommend this movie.
I think it's not great stuff for kids to see.
I really, really don't. No, they don't need...
Watch the old fairy tales.
If you are going to watch fairy tale movies or movies, just watch something that was made 20 years ago.
Yeah. Do not watch modern movies.
No, and also, the one other comment.
She said, one of the three mice...
Oh, yes. And he's like, oh, you guys are guys?
I always thought you were girls. And the mice are like, why?
And he's like, well, everyone knows rats are boys and mice are girls.
It's just like... Because mice are cute.
Yeah, yeah. No, that's...
I now hate mice and like rats.
Here's the funny thing too, right?
So I always find it kind of odd.
Like a narcissist is somebody like supremely selfish and only cares about their own pleasure to heck with anyone else.
Why are the rats, no mice, why are the mice so obsessed with her love life and her life as a whole?
Yeah, like... It would be like, so imagine there's some woman, maybe from your earlier story, there's some woman who is completely obsessed about whether her cat finds a mate.
Yeah. We would consider that weird and creepy, right?
Yeah. And so the mice, I mean, I know that they're kind of comic things and all that, but the mice that are just totally obsessed with a different animal completely, whether she gets a mate or whether she's happy...
Here's some more logic that's going to get thrown at you.
Why are the mice dancing?
Because when she was singing, they started dancing.
Remember when she was singing?
It's like, no, stop!
Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, once you've broken the convention that they can speak and all that, then I guess they can dance.
But it just... But why?
I mean, can you imagine, like, I don't know, there's some creature around, some mouse around, and we're like, we're just completely obsessed about whether that mouse is going to have babies or not.
Like, you know, it just seems a bit odd.
I want to know whether this mouse can make its career come true.
Yeah, yeah. What if the mouse wants to be a dressmaker?
Anyway, so, but just like, and she doesn't sit there and say, guys, guys, go find some mouse mates and stop obsessing about me.
I'll be fine. Yeah, go find a mate. Why am I, like, why?
As opposed to, she's like, oh no, keep focusing on me.
Keep being obsessed. Keep being obsessed by me.
That's great. Anyway, it just strikes me as hard.
So I would not recommend it for kids myself.
Zero recommendation.
And if you are going to watch it with kids, obviously you can have your own thoughts and opinions.
It doesn't have to be anything to do with ours.
But really, really dig in and discuss the themes that are going on there.
Because there's a lot in the movie that's not that obvious on the surface.
But the stuff that's not obvious is what sinks down into kids' brains.
The other thing, too, is that...
This intervention of magic to make everyone's dreams come true, I don't think is very healthy.
Like, oh, you can't get any of your dreams to come true unless a butterfly turns into a guy who calls himself a mother who has magic.
Like, that's...
There's a lot more practical ways to get ahead.
At least you can come up with a fairy tale.
Come up with a new one. Don't, like, copy some old story.
Oh, yeah. Well, good luck with that, so...
Alright, so two thumbs down for...
I'd give half a thumb for the songs.
I think the acting was pretty charming as a whole.
Camilla Cabello was very charming.
She was very charming. Very charming in that.
Prince wasn't a very good actor, in my opinion.
Prince was a little dull. And I can't...
I don't know, this whole boy thing, like, there's no way that guy could ever grow a beard.
And so that boy toy, the guy's got to look like they're a tall 12-year-old.
That just strikes me as very strange and a bit weird.
But that's sort of the thing these days.
Like the BTS thing we watched the other night.
Which thing? Oh, yeah, those.
The singers, right? Yeah. So I think it's worth watching for the messages if you're sort of alert to what's going on.
And if your kids have watched it, I would say watch it with them again and just maybe talk a little bit about what's going on because that stuff can be very influential for kids.
Yeah, and also, one last thing, they get half a star, and it's partly because some of the dresses had nice colors, although some of them were just hideous, but I mean, like, also partly because the songs, they made them sound nicer.
Like, Material Girl, I hate that song so much with, like, a massive passion.
Wait, the song or the message? The song.
Everything. Everything. The tune, everything.
Everything. It's horrible. Your voice is thick with passion here.
It is thick with passion. Do not hold back.
What's wrong with that lovely song?
No, my voice is not thick about a song.
No, I'm kidding. I'm just saying I hate that song.
It's just everything. Everything about that song.
The tune, the singers, the message is horrible.
But they made it sound slightly nice.
So they get some credit for making the song sound nice.
Although there are some songs like Rhythm Nation at the very start that was...
That's a noise of grossed out, like I'm about to vomit, just so everyone's aware of what that noise means.
I think they know. But yeah, that's what I was saying.
I hate that song. Right.
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