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Aug. 3, 2021 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux

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	Hey everybody, Stefan Molyneux from Free Domain.
	Hope you're doing well. It is the 28th of July 2021 and we all should be orbiting Mars.
	But instead we have mass human movement.
	So I guess that's totally different.
	And better?
	Worse? It is what it is.
	So yeah, you can join in the chat.
	I'll take questions in just a second.
	Let me ask you this.
	Interesting question. I mean, for me at least.
	Hopefully it is for you as well.
	So here's an interesting question.
	When do you tap out or not tap in to an intellectual discussion?
	When do you just say, nah, no thanks, not for me.
	What is your red flag warning signs for getting out of an intellectual discussion?
	Just, yeah, let me know.
	I'm curious, you know, what you've got to say.
	Whenever CNN enters the chat, whenever they have two ex-crime zones, I don't discuss with leftists anymore, they don't care about the truth, racism or wage gap, yeah?
	Is that right? When people force their opinions and have no curiosity for other views, social justice, no curiosity, no engagement.
	When repeated disregard for reason by the other party, nihilists and relativists, yes.
	When they start throwing out isms and ists.
	Sorry, I don't have my glasses on.
	I thought that was isms and tits.
	would be a different kind of argument.
	When someone paraphrases my position badly, oh, then I'm out.
	Like, so what you're basically saying is, and then they get it completely wrong, right?
	When they vote for Biden, I don't discuss.
	When the other doesn't want to define the words they use, yes, virtue signaling and rejection of data, straw manning repeatedly.
	When the conversation becomes self-contradictory, when I just don't feel like they're worth the exertion.
	Yeah, that's perfectly valid.
	When someone's emotional state is my responsibility, I'm upset, you've caused a problem.
	When people get passive-aggressive, oh really?
	Whenever I sense they're dogmatic or have no incentive to change, when they have Trump derangement syndrome.
	To be honest, I don't have many conversations outside of the free-demand community when lack of reason or logic is out of the window.
	Yeah? It's all very good.
	Now, let me ask you another question.
	I appreciate your feedback here.
	Let me ask you another question. Have you debated...
	Free will is kind of a hot topic at the moment.
	Free will versus determinism.
	Have you debated that at all recently?
	When they are white, rich leftists with no skin in the game.
	When they say, oh, I know a tall Chinese guy type of lines.
	Yeah, yeah, for sure. Whataboutism?
	Yeah, Dems are the real racists.
	Yeah, that's worked out really well, hasn't it?
	Do you do free will at all?
	Do you do determinism?
	Because back in the day, this was one of the most explosive topics.
	Gosh, it would be 12 or 13 years ago when I first set up a community server, which you could do for 99 bucks back in the day.
	I first set up a community server and it was the first free domain community like a message board.
	And we had trolls coming in, and some people who were just disturbed.
	And I remember one wild, wild series of debates about prostitution, and I remember the free will versus determinism thing.
	Oh my lord, on a stick and a half, that was some pretty wild stuff.
	And I haven't done free will versus determinism much, but it is a crazy, crazy topic these days.
	All right. Somebody says, I've not met a sober determinist, so no.
	Yes, interesting topic to think about.
	I stay clear of that talk, spirals downward.
	No, not recently. Sitch and Adam, who's Sitch and Adam?
	I don't know. Sitch and Adam bring up free will a lot.
	It's been a while, but last time I did it went nowhere.
	Not directly, but indirectly, people saying, that's the way it is.
	I think that's determinism. Oh, yeah, determinism is a sort of subspecies of it is what it is.
	You know, I always hated that phrase.
	Well, it is what it is. Useless tautological appeal to acceptance.
	When they deny the existence of genetics for explanations of intelligence, yeah, it's kind of funny how the leftists and the hyper-religious have the same view that somehow our essence as living beings is completely divorced or detached from the physical substrata that gives it Life.
	You know, because the Christians or the hard religious people feel that there's a soul in the body and the leftists feel that somehow everything is material but intelligence doesn't have anything to do with genetics or anything like that.
	How do you explain Scott Adams being an expert in persuasion that doesn't think people have free will?
	Yes, debated someone and used a self-detonating argument.
	Among the physics community, determinism is dead.
	Yeah. Hi, Molly Meme.
	Hi, Beck. The debate goes back to Calvin.
	Yeah, that's right. Why even debate when the other person goes into the debate without curiosity?
	It's just two people focused on being right.
	Well, if you're debating in public, that's a different matter.
	If you're debating in private, then not so much.
	So, yay, caught a live stream.
	Welcome. I'm glad that you're here with me for the live stream.
	So I couldn't sleep last night, and I couldn't sort of figure out why, and I won't get into specifics of details of people because it's not really that important, but I came across some free will versus determinism stuff, and one thing that I have found particularly true about determinists,
	it's not an argument, it's an observation and sort of my personal experience, one thing that I found very true about determinists is although they say that I think?
	They are some of the most judgy, vicious, sometimes downright abusive people in the known universe.
	And they have this kind of perfect out.
	You know, like you've got some rich daddy who's always going to bail you out, Biden.
	But they have this kind of out because if you say, well, wait a minute, you said that being a determinist made you less judgmental and made you more patient with people, recognizing that they didn't choose who they are.
	But here's a situation where like yesterday you were calling someone horrible names and you were really angry.
	Of course, they should say, oh, yeah, well, I guess I forgot about the determinism in that point.
	Thank you.
	I will correct myself.
	I will make sure that I try not to do that because it's not in accordance with my beliefs.
	But of course, what they can say, and this is determinism as a sort of retroactive get out of jail free card that goes on for eternity, infinity, or at least one's mortality, is that what they can do is they can say, well, it was just predetermined that I was going to get angry.
	I mean – There's no responsibility for the self, especially when the emotional actions are placing free will and moral responsibility on other people and castigating them for bad moral decisions.
	And then when it comes to the self, everything is excused.
	So it gives you the perfect license, it seems, to morally castigate and attack and shame and humiliate other people.
	And then when this contradiction is pointed out, you can just say, hey, well, I guess it was just predetermined that it happened.
	So it's a kind of bailout philosophy.
	And the people I were listening to with regards to...
	So determinism and the people who were saying, oh, you know, it makes me so tolerant.
	It makes me so accepting of other people.
	I don't get mad. I don't blame people because they didn't choose who they are and they're not responsible and all that.
	These are exact same people who've literally targeted me with the most savage and appalling condemnations known to man.
	It really is. So I was going to do a big rebuttal and all of that.
	And then I just realized, no, it's not...
	It's not really any point, because people who see that stuff, it's blindingly obvious, and people who can't see it are probably colluding with it in one frame or another, and they're not going to listen to reason anyway.
	Yeah, it is one of these crazy, crazy situations.
	Good afternoon, Judy. Nice to see you again.
	Let's see here, what else do people say when they call me far-right or alt-right?
	Yeah, boy, that's really been weaponized.
	You couldn't sleep last night either?
	Yeah, yeah. When someone tries to attack your character and isn't intellectually curious?
	Or... Quotes Wikipedia about anti-leftist arguments or people.
	Did you see the Christian Turkish woman was stabbed in London?
	Yeah, wasn't there a woman today who was at Speaker's Corner in London and she was stabbed in the face because she was wearing a Charlie Hebdo shirt and Sadiq Khan completely ignored it?
	Of course, right? I mean, of course.
	So, yeah. Yeah, well, you can only spend...
	See, for me, just in general, I'll just sort of give you the big picture view of sort of where I am.
	If you're curious, maybe you're in a similar place as well.
	Maybe we share that in common.
	But where I am is actually pretty simple and actually quite liberating, which is this...
	I don't really care. I care about you guys.
	I care about philosophy.
	I care about my family.
	I care about my friends. But as far as, you know, when you've spent 40 years, you know, mid-teens, I'm going to be 55 in like less than two months, right?
	So 55. And when I was growing up, there was this thing like, if you play your cards right, if you work your money right, if you save and invest, you can get freedom 55.
	Well, I got freedom 54 and a half, which is...
	I don't really care.
	I mean, I'm sorry that the woman got stabbed, of course, right?
	But... I mean, I've spent 40 years warning people about the state.
	I have spent people...
	I've talked to people about the perils of diversity and mass immigration.
	I mean, I've taken a lot of bullets for it and...
	Forty years is enough. Forty years was like, so four decades to be in a battle, that's about it.
	That'll do it for me. And I did this in part, I sort of came to this realization to some degree last year when I was booted off various platforms, but I just finished reading, it's like almost two and a half hours of me going through a manifesto, the Rationalist Manifesto that I wrote in response to the Communist Manifesto when I was 23 years old.
	And it's available.
	I'm not trying to pitch or anything.
	I'm just pointing it out that it's available.
	You can go to freedomainnft.com, freedomainnft.com, and you can get a collector's limited-run edition of only 100 copies of the document and of my in-depth reading and analysis of it comparing 31 years of intellectual distance between 23 and 54.
	And so it was really fascinating to realize back then that was, I don't know, 23, so yeah, maybe six or seven years since I really woke up to the free market and anti-totalitarianism, anti-collectivism and so on.
	And I distinctly remember in high school being on the debate team in the model UN and just arguing against socialism, communism.
	And it's like, yeah, it's 40 years.
	You know, almost 40 years. 16 as a public intellectual.
	I did my 800 million views and downloads.
	And I'm still going to keep doing what I'm doing because I enjoy it.
	Love these chats with you guys.
	I love the jazz club environment or atmosphere that we've got going on at the moment.
	But... Yeah, 40 years.
	That's a long time to put into that kind of battle.
	And so, yeah, free speech is dying.
	Well, I warned everyone.
	My whole deplatforming started after I gave a big speech at the European Union about the dangers of tech censorship.
	I still nobody regrets.
	But, yeah, so...
	I spent 40 years on it, and younger and more robust and energetic people can take up the banner and argue for these things.
	I've certainly broken a lot of ground for them to follow afterwards and expand.
	If that's you, fantastic.
	If that's what you want to do, I appreciate that, and I think it's going to be wonderful.
	But, see, you have to, I mean, for me, the big picture, so 40 years fighting communism, socialism, collectivism, fascism, Nazism, you name it, right?
	Anti-rational beliefs of every stripe and hue.
	And... It's not like things are better than when I started.
	In fact, they're much worse, right?
	So maybe I didn't do a good job of it.
	I think I did, but maybe I didn't.
	And maybe it can't be fought, right?
	When I was putting together my presentation, and you should really check it out.
	If you want to find anything that I've done, it's pretty easy to do.
	You go to FDRpodcasts.com.
	Nice search window. It's just been revamped.
	It's really good, really fast. Nice search window at the top.
	Do a search for the podcast.
	You can search for categories, whatever it is.
	And right below will be a link to the videos if the videos exist.
	And they should, right? So, for me, when I was doing research on that, and I'll dig it up at some point, but I was doing research on the Fall of Rome.
	It's called the Fall of Rome, Modern Parallels.
	You should look it up and watch.
	It's really good. There was a guy who had spent his entire life in academia and he'd written a lot of books and a lot of articles.
	And he said at the end of one of his articles, but after decades of arguing and debating, nobody ever really changes their minds.
	It's all kind of futile. Everybody goes to their grave with pretty much the same beliefs they were born with and nothing much changes and nothing much happens.
	And I remember that this is probably eight or nine years ago that I did the presentation, something like that.
	I remember thinking, ooh, that's not good.
	That's not good. So I care about my community.
	I care about my family. I care about my friends.
	I care about philosophy. I care about you guys.
	Some woman in London wears a Charlie Hebdo t-shirt around.
	She's, I mean, she's risking a lot.
	And, you know, what can I say?
	I mean, there are new dangers in the world, new risks in the world that everybody needs to be cognizant of.
	And if you choose not to be, I'm not sure that I can do much about it.
	Bioshock, I may get back to that.
	I may get back to that. Maybe determinists could be people who had horrible childhoods and they want to avoid judging their parents.
	Well, that could be the case for sure.
	That could be the case for sure.
	I will give you another theory as to why people like determinism.
	So moral outrage wins the day, right?
	Communism is just moral outrage.
	Someone else has more. They stole it from me.
	I'm going to go get it back and hang them or starve them or whatever, right?
	Shoot them. Throw them in a gulag.
	So Moral outrage wins the day, and that defines where society goes tomorrow, the day after, next year, next month.
	So if you can get a monopoly on moral outrage, then you control, completely firmly, with both hands, you control the entire steering mechanism of society.
	So if you were an amoral, cunning person with lots of tricks up his or her sleeve, what you would do is you would go around preaching about the absence of free will.
	There's no such thing as free will.
	And what that would do is it would take thoughtful, conscientious, intelligent people out of the equation.
	They would no longer feel justified in expressing moral outrage because they would no longer believe in free will or moral responsibility.
	And what that would mean is that you've significantly reduced...
	Your competition for the moral narrative.
	So you can still go and have your passionate and powerful moral narrative and what you've done by convincing millions of people that there's no such thing as free will and they shouldn't judge people and they shouldn't morally castigate people and they shouldn't punish people and they shouldn't, you know, whatever, right? All of the stuff that goes along with free will and moral judgment.
	You've taken them out of the equation.
	It's beautiful. You've eliminated competition for the moral narrative of society.
	And I think that's really what's going on.
	Also, determinists, in my experience, I did have an in-depth conversation with one determinist in my show.
	Turns out his parents had locked him in his room for most of his childhood, so he didn't really have any choice anyway.
	And that was, to some degree, avoiding judging parents.
	But my other experience with People who are determinists in more than one is that they actually have committed some pretty bad crimes.
	Some of the crimes would be moral crimes, like they've just been cruel and mean and vicious and cheated on people or whatever.
	And other have been like directly violent, predatory, disgusting, vile, horrible, evil moral transgressions, like legal transgressions.
	And so one of the reasons is that they have this conscience that is rising up and saying, we've done real wrong and we need to make amends and we need to be honest and we need to confess and we need to whatever, right?
	Make restitution. But the vainglorious, shallow, wants-to-control-everything false self says, well, we can't morally judge others because of determinism, but the real driver is I can't stand morally judging myself.
	I can't stand morally judging myself.
	I don't want to accept that I've done evil and make amends, make restitution, confess, whatever it is.
	And so I'll pretend that...
	No one's morally responsible for anything and it's all determined so that I can quiet my own conscience.
	And I think that's one of the reasons why it's so volatile as well for people.
	All right. If there's no free will to stop peeing on their couch and say, you can't get angry at me, it was determined, then slap them.
	Well, of course, then they will get mad at you and say, it's just predetermined that I get mad at you and Did you see people on Twitter celebrating Stephen Crowder nearly dying?
	Oh my gosh.
	Oh my gosh. So, I don't know much about what's going on with Stephen Crowder, but my understanding is he's had a heart issue for a long time, and he went in to get the heart dealt with.
	I think they cracked his chest and did some pretty serious plumbing work on his heart and his ventricles.
	And I think, was it today or yesterday, he posted a picture where he's back in the hospital.
	He said he came very close to dying.
	And... But he says it's going to happen and he'll be fine.
	He also did a wretched thing to his knee as part of a skit.
	Like he had truly purple Barney the dinosaur wriggling three of your cartilage photos of his knee.
	And I banged the knee badly chasing after my daughter a couple of years ago in St.
	Louis. So it's not fun, particularly when you're a little older.
	So people celebrating Stephen Crowder nearly dying?
	Sure. I mean, yeah.
	I'm not sure why that would surprise anyone.
	See, there's a basic psychopathy test, right?
	A basic sociopathy test, right?
	Does the person have any empathy or anything like that?
	And the basic test is this, right?
	If you say, well, communism caused the deaths of 100 million people, and they say, yes, but, okay, done.
	Like the yes, but, you know, you imagine stacking those bodies from the ground.
	You could fill the Mariana Trench, right?
	Imagine stacking those bodies.
	You've got 100 million bodies beneath you.
	Yes, but, but, but, but, right?
	Well, that wasn't real communism. So there's a hundred million dead people.
	It's a lot of dead people.
	And if that doesn't slow you down...
	You know, when I first...
	Because the claim is put forward...
	When I was back there in seminary school, they put forward the proposition that you can petition the Lord with prayer.
	Petition the Lord with prayer!
	Petition the Lord with prayer!
	Anyway, you know where it goes from there.
	That's Jim Morrison because he was raped as a child.
	Angry at God for letting it happen.
	So... When people will just brush off 100 million dead bodies, I mean, they don't have the wiring for empathy.
	So when I first heard, oh, capitalism caused the death of 200 million people, I was like, okay, well, I don't want to support a system that causes the death of 200 million people, so I better go look into this and find out.
	What the facts are. And what they do is they say, anything that is bought and sold is capitalism, and imperialism is capitalism, and anything that involves corporations is capitalism.
	So I understand where people are coming from with that.
	I mean, it is whataboutism, and even if capitalism did cause the death of 200 million people, you've still got 100 million uncontroversial under communism.
	So, yeah, I mean, if you're willing to ignore 100 million dead, what's 100 million and then one more?
	Stephen Crowder, right?
	Yeah. My girlfriend and I would like to hear your thoughts on adoption, the challenges we may experience and any advice you may have.
	So hang tight for the next day or two.
	I had a long call. Actually, no, not super long call.
	A call with a fellow who was having real trouble getting pregnant with his wife.
	And we did talk quite a lot about adoption.
	And so it'll be out in a day or two, I'm sure.
	How can free will and determinism both be true?
	It's like both a wave and a particle.
	Well, it can't be. It can't be true.
	The news is horrifying every day.
	Yeah.
	Have I given up, Steph?
	I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure what that would mean.
	I mean, I'm here, aren't I? I'm having conversations with you guys.
	But, you know, what do we have?
	We have reason and we have evidence.
	We have... The words, we have the truth, and I have fairly banished underground corners of the internet where I can still make my case.
	And what do they have?
	Well, they can create money at will.
	They control the educational system.
	They control the minds of most of the women.
	They control the higher educational system.
	They control Hollywood.
	They control, right, the media as a whole.
	So I've got a camera.
	I've got eloquence, I've got intelligence, I've got philosophy.
	And they can bribe whoever they want into compliance.
	They can threaten whoever they want into compliance.
	I don't have either bribery or threatening tools.
	Neither would I want them, should they be made available to me.
	So what kind of fight really would it be?
	The only way that I have leverage is if the average person values reason over force.
	But because money can be created, and boy, you know, Canada has had the greatest increase of all of the major industrialized countries just over COVID, right?
	The amount of money spending that has gone on over COVID is truly staggering.
	I mean, it's close to 70% increase in the total deficit in just like a year and a half or whatever.
	So what are mere words going to do to change that kind of economic incentive for people, right?
	I don't think it's going to do much of anything.
	Again, for individuals, yes, it can do a lot, but are words going to unseat the military-industrial complex or the warfare-welfare state or government control of Education.
	I mean, they're making broken people way faster than we can fix them.
	All right. I think you've done an excellent job since your car cast a long time ago.
	You've done a lot of heavy lifting. I appreciate that.
	Thank you. I left your videos reading about the trial and death of Socrates.
	I'm curious about what it was about his speech on death after the verdict that moved you.
	Sorry, that's 12 years ago.
	My daughter was just a baby.
	I can't recall. Sorry. Hey Steph, what would you say to young people about getting married that's both encouraging but also talks about the challenges?
	Thanks. So, here's the challenge.
	The challenge in the modern world is happiness.
	The challenge in the modern world is happiness.
	My marriage and philosophy, and being a parent is sort of part of the marriage thing, my marriage and philosophy are the two things that make me the happiest and bring me the most joy and thrill in life and all of that.
	And the two things that most of the people in my youth opposed the most in me was philosophy, which led to a happy marriage.
	Because most of the people I grew up with had this belief, and hit me with a why if you've known these kinds of people.
	So they have this belief, and the belief is marriage is tough, man.
	Marriage is work. You know, there's just natural misunderstandings, there's stresses, there's tension.
	Oh my God, you know, you fight and conflict, but you find a way back together, and it's work, but it's worthwhile, and work, work, work, work, work.
	And it's like, what do you mean it's work?
	What do you mean it's work? I don't find marriage work at all.
	Marriage is a pleasure. Marriage is a joy.
	Marriage is easy. I mean, we have disagreements.
	My wife and I, once or twice a year, we'll have a disagreement about something vaguely significant.
	But it always ends up being a positive and productive discussion.
	We never raise our voices.
	We never yell. We never call names.
	Of course not, right? So, you know, I already have a job that's tough called philosophy.
	That's a tough job. That's a tough job, man, at times.
	So I already have a job.
	I don't need another job called marriage where I don't get paid.
	Like, why would you want a job that you don't have to take?
	That you don't get paid for.
	And that if you quit or get fired, you could lose half your stuff.
	I mean, I don't want that job.
	Nobody wants that job. Hussein.
	So all my friends, when I was younger, friends and family members, they got involved in these marriages that were, yes, in fact, a lot of work, a lot of struggle, a lot of strife, a lot of conflict, a lot of them.
	But they defined that as essence.
	And what they did was they did this kind of switcheroo in their head.
	And you've probably seen people do this if you've been in this kind of environment.
	So... What they do is they say, because you can't help but notice that there are some marriages that seem fairly happy and peaceful, but what they do is they say, well, those marriages that are happy and peaceful, the two people are just conflict avoidant.
	They're just shallow.
	They don't talk about anything. They don't explore anything.
	They don't pull out their guts.
	They don't examine the essence of their bone marrow humanity, and they're just conflict avoidant, and they just skate through life on the very surface.
	They just make up this story. About how people who get along and enjoy each other's company are somehow shallow and foolish and Conflict avoidance, but they're real.
	And they're dishonest because they won't honestly voice their true feelings.
	So authenticity is conflict and sometimes emotional violence.
	And getting along and being happy with each other is shallowness and hollowness and insincerity.
	And me being happy with philosophy and me being happy...
	With my wife was like a repellent to people.
	It was like the cross to the vampire, the sunlight to the undead.
	If you had parents who had an unhappy marriage or have an unhappy marriage, and you end up very happy, that really challenges people's foundational beliefs.
	Because, you know, what most people do is they just coast on historical momentum and repeat their history.
	And then they create some big...
	This narrative, this big story about how what they're doing is somehow existentially correct and right and authentic and honest and good, right?
	They just normalize and then idealize whatever it is that they're doing without reference to any values.
	Without reference to any values.
	This is back to the determinism thing, right?
	So they don't say, okay, what's the objectively right value and where do I stand in relation to that?
	They don't do that. What they do is they say, well, here's what I'm compelled to do.
	Here's what I feel like doing. And here's what history dictates me to do because of my absence of self-knowledge.
	And that's just the good.
	That's the real. That's the true and everything which is not that is fake or avoidant or something like that.
	So... Marriage is wonderful.
	Marriage is the bomb.
	Marriage is the thing. We are a pair-bonded species.
	And marriage is the companionship that is a giant ring of Saturn human shield against the injustices and calumnies of the world as a whole.
	Being happily married, being joyfully in love with your spouse is a form of superpower that arouses bitter envy among the majority of people who are unhappy in their relationships.
	So, if you dare to be happy You are rolling a grenade into the tent of the people who've accepted misery as the most essential and existential human state.
	Everyone's miserable.
	Everyone's unhappy. Everyone's discontented.
	Everyone's frustrated. That's the human condition.
	And anybody who's not... Just isn't being honest with themselves or is lying or is conflict avoidant or is living some stupid, shallow, suntanned existence.
	Shiny happy people holding hands.
	Shiny happy people, the old R.E.M. song, right?
	So... Dare to be happy.
	Happiness is...
	It's like a light that brings attackers to be publicly happy.
	This is why most people, if they're happy, move to the country.
	Most people, if they're happy, hide their happiness under a bushel.
	Most people, if they're genuinely in love, will fake being less in love when they are in public.
	And I remember a friend of mine I know who's happily married, happily married, His wife used to hang around with these other married women, but all they'd do is bitch and complain about their husbands, right?
	And then they'd sort of look at her expectantly, and she'd say, oh, I love my husband.
	He's wonderful. He works very hard.
	He's always there for me.
	He cares. He's great with the kids, and I'm really happy.
	Now, how do you think these other women reacted to that little speech?
	And another thing that he does, I can't stand it, he leaves the dishes in the sink, and then he puts one shoe here and one shoe there, and then he doesn't fluff the pillows, and then he uses my toothbrush, and I'm like...
	Just this endless...
	Brain full of mosquitoes, discontent whirlwind that passes for thought in most people's minds.
	So when my friend's wife was like, no, no, I love my husband.
	I'm thrilled to be married to him.
	I think he's the most noble guy I know.
	So the other women are like, you know, just like they roll their eyes and they broadcast and radiate.
	You know, like a sunburn in the dark.
	They just radiate this frustration and hostility and anger and eye-rolling and undermining, right?
	And so what did my friend's wife end up doing?
	Well, of course, she ended up not going to these meetups.
	Why would you want to go to these gatherings?
	Why? Why?
	To listen to other people complain about their husbands and then with the expectation that you've got to dredge up something that you can complain about?
	Your husband win the stitch and pitch, this hen party?
	No, thanks. No, thanks.
	So, yeah, marriage is the greatest thing ever.
	And if you are happy in it, it will bring out the haters.
	and you're going to have to find a way to deal with that, right?
	Let's see here.
	I have a friend who was a staunch determinist to He ended up killing himself. Anecdotal but powerful.
	Is determinism evil since it tries to get rid of morals?
	So, determinism is hypocritical.
	Because determinism says human beings are just like every other material thing in the universe.
	And because our brains are matter and energy and matter and energy follows physical laws and you can't just, you know, a rock doesn't just get up and walk around on its own and make decisions and prefer chai latte to flat whites or whatever.
	So because our brains are physical matter and energy and matter and energy follows the laws of physics, we can't have free will, blah, blah, blah, right?
	So it says human beings are exactly the same as...
	Everything else in the universe.
	The human brain is exactly the same as every other thing of matter and energy in the universe.
	So I was watching a speech.
	Some guy was giving a speech about determinism.
	I had this thought. It was kind of a funny thought, but instructive, I think.
	A funny thought, but instructive. And the thought was this.
	So the hall was full of a couple of hundred people, and the guy comes out and starts giving his speech.
	And I thought it would have been interesting...
	If, I mean, if I was there and I would have paid everyone to leave, right?
	And then the guy would have come out and he would have seen, oh my God, the hall's empty.
	The hall's empty. I can't give a speech to an empty hall.
	That's ridiculous. And I would say, well, no, the hall's not empty.
	The hall's not empty at all. There are these chairs.
	And he's like, well, I'm not giving a speech to chairs.
	That's insane. What are you talking about?
	I'm not giving a speech to chairs.
	And I said, but by your philosophy, the human brain is identical to a chair.
	It's just matter and energy.
	So why would you care?
	You wouldn't care about the color of the chair.
	You wouldn't care about the fabric that's on the chair.
	Why would you care if there's a human being sitting on it?
	Why do you need one chair stacked upon another chair?
	Right? I mean, if there were two chairs, like each chair had a chair stacked on another chair, would you sit there and say, okay, well, at least there's something on the chair?
	Say, no, but it's not a human being.
	It's not a human being. I can't give a speech to a bunch of chairs.
	That's crazy. Okay, well, then you've just given up determinism, right?
	That would be my debate, right?
	I just pay everyone to leave, come out and say, give your speech.
	I can't give your speech. There's nobody there.
	It's like, yeah, but there's matter and energy there, which you say is identical to the human brain.
	So give your speech to the chairs.
	Well, that's insane. Okay, well, then you're saying that the human brain is somehow foundationally different from everything else.
	What if it was a bunch of cats?
	What if it was a bunch of goldfish in a bowl?
	What if it was an elephant?
	Would you still give the speech?
	No, of course not. So you'd only give the speech to one kind of consciousness, which is the human consciousness.
	So you say, human consciousness is exactly the same as everything else in the universe, but to give a speech to anything other than human consciousness would be completely insane.
	Well, you've got to pick a lane there, dude.
	All right. Are you a fan of Michelle Malkin?
	Oh, Michelle Malkin's a Valkyrie.
	I mean, she is Queen Bode Chia.
	Almost no greater courage in the conservative movement.
	More, I think, even than Ann Coulter.
	So, yeah. She's great.
	She was on my show a couple of times some time back.
	Does determinism require a lack of spiritual awareness?
	Boy, there's a vague term that I have no idea what it means.
	Spiritual awareness. My God, there's whiskey in the room.
	You saw his knee injury.
	This is Stephen Crowder's. Yeah, bad, right?
	These people are depraved to celebrate about Crowder.
	Like, we've got the souls, we've got the mammals, right?
	The souls have higher consciousness and universal standards and morals and ethics and conscience and empathy and all of that.
	And then there are the mammals who are just seeking material advantage in the short run, right?
	And so, yeah, if an enemy of yours is, you know, if a lion was running towards you and then the lion had a heart attack, wouldn't you cheer?
	Right? Because it's an enemy, it's going to do you harm, and now it's been taken out of the game, so to speak, right?
	Right? Thank God that lion had a heart attack or it would have been chewed up.
	So the small government people are standing between government money or they want to stand between government money and the people who want government money.
	I mean, go take a bone from a Rottweiler or a pit bull and see what happens.
	I don't know if you know, but the last 20 minutes of I'm losing my brother to a woman is not working.
	Oh, sorry. I will check that out. I've had some odd things lately where the uploads just aren't finishing.
	And 99 times out of 100, I re-upload to check.
	Maybe I didn't with that one, so I'll check it.
	All right. In Siberia, there's a road made with dead bodies built by the Soviet regime.
	I don't doubt it. Crowder is having a rough time lately.
	Heart surgery. His knee did have a miscarriage.
	And his wife had some form of temporary paralysis.
	Well, it is – I wouldn't underestimate the amount of stress that Stephen Crowder and people like him are under.
	It's a lot of stress.
	I think he's pursuing lawsuits and so on, right?
	I think Candace Owens just got thrown out.
	Peter Brimlow's got thrown out.
	But I think Crowder is still doing...
	So, you know, he's got, what, 17 people working for him.
	He's trying to have kids.
	He's getting attacked in the media.
	He's getting deplatformed threats all over the place or...
	It's a lot of stress.
	Well, that's a complex question.
	Good, good, good, good one to ask.
	So atheism in and of itself?
	Well, no. I mean, there are 10,000 gods in the world.
	Most monotheists believe in one god and disbelieve in the other 9,999.
	So... Not believing in a god or not believing in a particular supernatural being, right?
	I hope you don't believe in ghosts or fairies or leprechauns or things like that, or astrology.
	And what is that I've said online?
	Astrology is only a thing because men don't want to contradict women for fear of not getting access to sex.
	I'm a Pisces.
	Oh, that's fascinating. Can we sleep together?
	So, no, simply a lack of belief in someone has not killed people.
	However, Atheism, by taking away universality and morality, for the most part, because atheism took out the Christian God, and then the first thing atheists should have done is create a secular morality.
	I talk about this in my most recent book, Oh, gosh.
	I really should remember this.
	Introduction to philosophy, something like that.
	So, yeah, you can go freedomain.com forward slash books.
	You can find it. So, in the book, I give the analogy that the atheists came and said there's a storm in the world, and the atheists come and say, this church is really old.
	It's not valid.
	It's not good. And they basically tear apart the church.
	But the storm still comes.
	And people now have no place to shelter.
	So the first thing, of course, if you want to get rid of an existing structure, the first thing you should do is build a superior structure.
	So if you want to get rid of religion, the first thing you should do is come up with a system of universal secular ethics, which is what I did with universally preferable behavior.
	My very second article was Proving Libertarian Morality, which was the foundation of religion.
	I was working really hard on the topic.
	It took 15 more years, I think, to get it right.
	But that's not bad for the holy grail of philosophy, right?
	So you can't just drive people out of the church so that they just have no shelter from the storm of the world, the storm of life.
	And so atheists are really focused or are weapons used by sociopaths to eliminate morality.
	Let me say that again.
	Atheists are weapons used by sociopaths to eliminate morality, which is why the anti-Christian sentiment is so strong today.
	In the world today because a lot of the secular atheists are attacking Christians because Christians have a moral center and a skepticism of state power.
	Remember, it was collusion with the Jewish leaders and state power that got Jesus killed in the first place.
	So Christianity is kind of rooted in a skepticism of state power.
	And so the atheism itself has not Killed people in the same way that if you tear down a church, you're not directly killing people.
	But atheists who have not worked hard to create a system of secular morality to replace Christian ethics, which they have really not done, that's getting a lot of people killed for sure.
	You should really get on TikTok.
	All right. I will think about that.
	You have hundreds of free-domain babies.
	Oh, gosh, much more than that. The Philosophy of There Will Be Blood.
	A listener suggested I watch The Tomorrow War, and I've been sort of hacking my way through it, but it's pretty brutal to get through.
	I don't know much about John McAfee and myself.
	Sorry. What do you think of people giving up their morals for their survival?
	I mean, that's the biological imperative, right?
	That you would give up? Of course you would give up your morals because the survival is genetic, right?
	Your genes need to survive.
	And if giving up your morals for survival is what is needed for your genes, then yeah.
	Did you ever end up recording The Truth About Ayn Rand Part 3?
	What you're talking about is Part 4.
	And no, I didn't. Actually drives me insane when I hear people complain that they were locked down with their spouse.
	That just means you've married the wrong person.
	Yeah, I mean, I've been locked up for 18 months, give and take, and come and going with two delightful females for 18 months.
	So, yeah, it's great. Honestly, your car casts were just about the greatest thing going.
	If anyone needs some extra listening, there's value in going through them.
	Yes, I think they were great, for sure.
	The ADL is teaming up with PayPal to tighten the screws of censorship.
	I don't care. I've been off PayPal for a year and three quarters.
	So good luck, everyone.
	I mean, what can I say? All right.
	Happily married couples were considered a rare but true thing.
	That's how I was raised. I rarely saw an actually happy marriage.
	Yeah, for sure. I only dated girls that were from single moms because I feared male judgment and I didn't feel I deserved someone from a healthy family.
	Yeah. I'll tell you a funny story about male authority in my life.
	Oh, so when I bailed out of theater school, it was a three-year course I bailed out before the end of my second year.
	I literally couldn't stand it there.
	My body was in full revolt against the entire environment, which I found repulsive.
	So leftist, so gross.
	Anyway, I'd written a play, a very good play, I think.
	I think I've got a copy of it somewhere, called Seduction.
	It was an adaptation of Turgenev's Fathers and Sons or Fathers and Children from the 19th century.
	I've always loved the Russians. Anyway, so...
	I decided that summer to put the play on.
	So I held auditions, I hired actors, I got spaces, I ran rehearsals, and I rewrote based upon actor feedback to make some of the characters deeper or more rich or whatever.
	It was a great experience. It was a great experience.
	It was a real leadership thing that I did when I was very young.
	And I'm always really, really happy that I did it.
	And the show ran, and it actually did okay.
	It actually got people to come see the play, and the play worked out really, really well.
	But I'll tell you something that was rough.
	So I ended up...
	I had to jump from place to place to try and find a place where I could rent for the week that I wanted the play to run.
	And... I got a theater at the University of Toronto.
	Beautiful place. Oh my god, it was lovely.
	And I had a woman who was my set designer, my stage designer.
	Oh, I had the whole thing, man.
	I had just a fantastic group of people working on that play.
	It was a real pleasure, and I occasionally would run into the actress afterwards, and it was always a real pleasure to chat with them and all that.
	Anyway, so my stage manager, and I actually looked her up not too long ago.
	She still works in the business and is doing quite well.
	But my stage manager, the play took place in a series of gardens in Russia, and she decided to bring in real trees, real trees to the play, which was fantastic because she got them at Big Trees.
	I have no idea where she got them from.
	She got these big trees. I think she had an uncle with a farm or something.
	She got these big trees and she brought them in and the leaves lasted for the duration of the play.
	So we were able to shine the lighting system through the leaves In the trees.
	And we got some fans up there to blow.
	And so you would see these gardens with what looked like sunlight coming through actual leaves being blown in the theater.
	It was incredible. It was a beautiful thing.
	And she did a fantastic job.
	And it really did make the play very vivid and very powerful because it really looked like you were looking at a real garden and all that.
	Anyway, we did a whole bunch of tricks to make that work.
	But... Oh, my God.
	So... When she brought the trees in, I mean, they were huge and heavy.
	I mean, she was really committed to this, and she loved the play, too, and all of that.
	Anyway, so she brought the trees in with a bunch of her cousins, and they had hobnail boots, and they dropped the trees a couple of times, and the floor of the theater had just been refinished.
	It had just been refinished and oh my god they tore the living crap out of that beautiful new oak floor of the stage like it was lacquered and and beautiful wood and all of that and it was just like we'd just taken hand grenades and and Sputnik had landed there and we plowed it the back 40 with with the some sort of diamond plow I mean it just we just tore the crap out of that stage And I frankly was scared shitless because I thought,
	oh my God, the stage manager of the play, of the theater, is going to come in and he's going to freak.
	Because they just, I don't know how much they spent refinishing this whole, it was a pretty big stage.
	And I thought, oh my God, it's tens of thousands of dollars.
	I mean, if they go after me for this, like if they need, oh my God, you've got to redo this.
	You completely destroyed the The stage.
	What are you doing, right?
	And I was really scared because the stage manager who was responsible for running the theater, he was showing up the next morning.
	I remember this. And I barely slept that night.
	And I was like, oh, my God. And if I finally had a dream where a friend of mine's father, this Iranian guy that I've talked about enormously positively before, a friend of mine's father came to me in a dream.
	He said, it's going to be fine.
	And then I slept really well. I had to make up a father figure in my dream to talk me through a young freakout about destroying tens of thousands of dollars.
	Because if they had charged me for it, I didn't have the money.
	I would have had to stop going to school and get a job, and I don't know how I was going to pay all that stuff off or anything like that, right?
	Anyway, so I felt relatively calm.
	I went into the theater the next morning because I had to meet with him to review what we'd done.
	And I get in.
	He was there early and he's just standing there like this, right?
	And he's just looking.
	He's just looking at this completely destroyed new finish to his stage.
	And then he looks up and he says, oh my god.
	And my heart just kind of sank, right?
	I was like, yeah? He says, oh my god.
	This is like the most beautiful stage scenery I've ever seen.
	He was looking up and he'd be playing with the lights and he actually got the fans running and he was like, this is incredible.
	How did you do that? These real trees?
	This is incredible.
	I've never seen anything like this before.
	It's like, rollercoaster, rollercoaster.
	And I was like, look, I said, look, I gotta be, I mean, the floor has got a little chewed.
	Like, I'm sorry about that.
	I wasn't actually here when they brought him in.
	They tried their best. And he's like, eh, you know, theater's messy.
	What can I tell you? You ever have, like, just a, you know, just a Matrix-style, you dodge some disaster, and you're just like, I believe I can fly.
	So, anyway, so it's kind of funny.
	All right. I guess we should dig up.
	I'm going to bring my earphones up here, just in case.
	Just in case anybody's got their thoughts.
	And... Yeah, emergent properties.
	You can bring all of that stuff in as well.
	Good lord, it's already been an hour.
	How delightful. Well, delightful for me.
	Oh yeah, the book, Essential Philosophy, that's the name of it.
	Yeah, Essential Philosophy. I notice people running red lights on purpose more often this month.
	Well, this is fin de sequel, right?
	This is end of civilization stuff.
	Yeah, of course. I mean, you can see this with California.
	It's just decriminalized, stealing anything under, what, 900 bucks in value or something like that.
	So, yeah, just go on.
	I convinced my West African girlfriend not to circumcise our future children.
	How delightful! Do congratulate her for me, and great decision, and well done for yourself.
	Appreciate that. I should have used the tree lighting to produce a live version of Lord of the Flies.
	- Yeah, it'd be interesting, yeah.
	All right, so let me just come up here.
	If you are in Telegram and you wanted to ask me a question or talk, I think you've got to raise your hand or something like that.
	And I will bring you the, let me just get the invite link as well, in case you want to jump in there and give me a chitty chatty bang bang.
	Any thoughts on Binance limiting withdrawals until keep your coins?
	Don't know. Don't know.
	But it was nice to see Bitcoin going up.
	Let's see how's it doing at the moment.
	It's not just because I produced a video.
	Yeah, it's still over 50,000.
	You are Canadian. Canadian, don't get excited, my American audience.
	Watch the one piece, Steph.
	I don't even know what that is.
	The Queen's Gambit was pretty hilarious, though, in its own particular kind of way. - Okay.
	All right. If you have something you want to ask...
	Hey, Stefan.
	How are you? I'm well. How are you doing, man?
	Pretty good. I've called in once before.
	I'm asking you all these crazy life questions.
	These crazy what questions?
	You know, I called in once a couple months ago saying, you know, I'm thinking about going back to New York City for a job.
	And I was wondering whether or not to get the vaccine.
	And it ended up turning into this, you gave me kind of a big talk on like finding, kind of finding what my purpose is or finding what my life is about.
	All right. Well, that's great for a recap.
	Do you have something new you want to ask me?
	I appreciate that recap. What do you think about...
	So Google and Facebook came out today and they said that they're going to mandate all of their employees to get the vaccines in order to return to the office in October.
	What do you think about that?
	I'm not sure what I... What do you mean, what do I think about it?
	I mean, the fact that...
	The fact that companies that are heavily committed to a lack of free speech are somewhat totalitarian with regards to their employees should surprise precisely no one, as far as I can tell, right?
	And look, as I said this before, I'll say it again.
	Maybe they're totally right.
	I'm not a scientist. I've heard so many different views on these vaccines, the experimental gene therapies, the Nuremberg Code, the 10 pennies.
	There's so much stuff that's floating around there.
	I can't evaluate it.
	I do know that there's a significant number of doctors who have taken massive professional risks to talk about the dangers of these new experimental therapies.
	And that's interesting because it's the old argument about Christianity, which is that The apostles or the followers of Christ must have seen something truly extraordinary if they were willing to be eaten alive by lions rather than renounce their fate.
	They must have seen something. So for people, they're either just completely self-destructive doctors who are just going against best medical practices for what?
	You're making a lot of money, so their warnings about the dangers of these therapies, maybe they're valid, maybe they're not.
	I don't know. I think the big test is going to be the fall.
	The big test is going to be this fall because the prediction is that when the people who...
	Well, one prediction, again, I don't know if it's true or not, but one prediction is that when people encounter...
	People who've taken the gene therapy, when they encounter natural coronaviruses, whether it's a cold or a flu or something, they encounter natural coronaviruses, the...
	Response that's been provoked by the spike proteins will attach itself to the regular coronaviruses, but will be unable to destroy them, but will block the natural immune system from dealing with them.
	So you could get some very dangerous, or what would not normally be very dangerous, but would turn into something very dangerous.
	Because some of the other predictions are ways down the road of fertility issues or blood capillaries getting clogged up with spike proteins could cause problems years down the road or whatever.
	But, but, but, The fall is an empirical test of the theories, and maybe the vaccine is safe and effective.
	Maybe it is. Maybe it is a huge medical breakthrough that will help us to treat cancer and maybe it just poured all these resources in and came up with something fantastic.
	Could be the case. I don't know because I'm not an expert.
	Again, I'll present various arguments and perspectives.
	So if the mandate for these, what is it, YouTube and Google, if the mandate for them to get vaccinated to go back to the office, maybe that's a great idea.
	Maybe it's a bad idea.
	We'll find out, and it won't be long now, we'll find out in a couple of months if at least one of the negative predictions about the vaccines will come true.
	I find the true disaster scenarios to be very hard to believe, which is not an argument.
	An argument from incredulity is not a rejection of anything like that.
	So I would say that...
	We'll find out. We'll find out.
	And then in October of next year, when the experimental phase of the vaccine is done, there'll be a lot of data to sift through.
	And my hope is that they release all the source data and find out from there.
	So we shall see.
	Yeah, if the vaccine is lethal long term, then Israel is screwed.
	Yeah, for sure. For sure. So we'll see.
	Sorry, go ahead. That's well said.
	So, you know, one thing I've seen from people who, you know, these two employees who have already taken it, to them, they say, ah, you know, I don't see the problem with the band-aid.
	But the way I've always thought about it is why do you need a band-aid if it's so effective?
	Because if it were effective, then the people who felt, you know, at risk would take the vaccine and then the people who, you know, other people would just, you know, accept the risk of getting COVID I think the argument...
	I'm not sure of any of this, right?
	But my understanding is the argument goes something like this, which is, okay, so if you've got the vaccine, we'll be out of the pandemic very quickly.
	If there are a bunch of people who are unvaccinated, the virus is still going to keep circulating, and it's going to mutate, and there's going to be more problems, and just take the damn vaccine so we can put all of this behind us and kill COVID. No, no.
	No one's taken the vaccine.
	Too many people are aware of its agenda.
	Yeah, I mean, there certainly is a lot of skepticism.
	And this is another reason for a lot of the anti-Christian sentiment.
	Hang on a sec. Hang on. Sorry, still talking.
	Just wait. Can you wait?
	We can't both be doing this at the same time, right?
	Can you hang on a sec? I mean, there are a lot of Christians who are very skeptical of the vaccine, rightly or wrongly.
	And that, of course, is producing a lot of hostility and frustration.
	And without a doubt, like the mainstream media is focusing a lot of anger on the unvaccinated.
	That's happening. You see all these, oh, this guy, he publicly mocked the vaccine, then he got COVID and almost died, and now he's begging everyone to get the vaccine.
	You see this stuff all over the place.
	But there is, oh, it's time to put a foot down with the unvaccinated.
	I'm out of patience with the unvaccinated.
	And this, like, I don't know, like, it's all just willful superstition that would have people be skeptical of the vaccine or whatever.
	And that's just very bad.
	I mean, it's very bad.
	Because the reason why people have remained skeptical of the vaccine is because There's been so much censorship.
	That's what happens when you censor things, is that you don't have public and open debate.
	You don't have, hey, you know, I want to see the most radical skeptics of the safety of the vaccine in full-on publicized open debate with the pro-vaccine people.
	Like, I want to see that.
	I want to see the arguments.
	I want to see the debates. I want to see the charts.
	I want to see the raw data.
	I want to see the best people in the science world going over.
	I want to know all these things, right?
	But, you know, when somebody says, oh, I think hydroxychloroquine is okay, or somebody says, I think that it can be very helpful with ivermectin or whatever, remdesivir, like, okay, and they're just like the guy who invented the PCR test who said it shouldn't be used for diagnostic purposes.
	If you just nuke his Twitter account, which I think happened recently, Like, I'm sorry, you're not dealing with people's skepticism, just browbeating them, deplatforming people, censoring people, silencing people, attacking people.
	That is going to rouse people's suspicions.
	For God's sakes, of course it is.
	Of course it is.
	So, if you're going to have all of this kind of censorship, you're going to get vaccine resistance.
	That's the way people work, at least the way some people work.
	So, yeah, just drop the censorship and stop attacking people and have the debate out there.
	I mean, it is an unapproved treatment, or it's not even a treatment, really.
	I mean, it reduces symptoms.
	It doesn't reduce, as far as I understand it, it doesn't Eliminate infection.
	It doesn't eliminate transmission, but it reduces symptoms, which, you know, this is another thing.
	I mean, if your symptoms are reduced, but you're still ill, you might not even know that you're sick.
	One of the purposes of illness that helps is that you stay home because you feel like crap, or you, I guess, go to hospital if you feel really like crap.
	So you stay home. And then you're not infecting people.
	But if it just suppresses symptoms and you're out there with the virus live and floating around you like the moons of Jupiter, I don't know.
	So I would just, you know, to all the people who get mad at the vaccine, hesitant.
	Well, that's If you supported the censorship, then you've got nothing to complain about.
	I mean, you'll complain anyway, right?
	Because you're just led around by the media.
	But that's what happens when you censor people, is that you rouse suspicions, of course.
	You can't talk about this!
	Wait, why not? And of course, the media blew a lot of its credibility with its hysterical anti-Trump stuff, with its beating the drums of war against Syria, beating the drums of war against Iraq, beating the drums of war against everything in the Middle East.
	So, the fact that the media now is like, oh, but we just care about everyone.
	We want everyone to be healthy. It's like, yeah, I don't remember that.
	The sort of supposed chemical attacks were occurring from Bashar al-Assad in Syria.
	Anyway, so. Well, it's like these terrible things that may have occurred, but these residential schools, I know some of them did, right?
	The Catholic and government-run schools for the indigenous population here in Canada.
	I mean, these things were running up until the 90s in some places, right?
	And now everyone's like, well, I'm sure the government's wonderful with kids now.
	It's like, I don't know.
	I don't know. All right.
	Somebody else, did you have a question or a comment that you wanted to bring up?
	No, right.
	Well, when it comes to the vaccine passports, what do you think about people who say, you know, so some would argue that vaccine passports are, you know, an infringement on human rights.
	But other people would say, you know, you don't have the right to spread disease or, you know, utilize public resources in a way that puts other people at risk.
	What do you think about that argument?
	Well, I mean, that's the very definition of a slippery slope argument, right?
	In other words, if you make personal choices that cause other people to suffer, or you make personal choices that cause you to consume extra healthcare resources, What about people who are fat?
	What about people who skydive or who ride motorcycles?
	What about people who suntan too much and then get skin cancer?
	If we're going to start saying, well...
	Your choices now affect the public.
	What about people who have kids and therefore end up dependent on welfare?
	What about people who do drugs and have health issues as a result of that?
	What about people who eat too much sugar who then consume dental resources and drive up the price of dentistry?
	I have no idea where that would end.
	But the big question is around asymptomatic transmission.
	So the big question is around asymptomatic transmission.
	Is there asymptomatic transmission?
	If there's not asymptomatic transmission, and I've heard cases, you know, they did a study of a lot of people in Wuhan, couldn't find any, and I've heard lots of cases and arguments.
	Again, I'm not competent to evaluate them.
	But to me, the big question is, is there asymptomatic transmission?
	Now, if there is not asymptomatic transmission, or if it's so rare as to not be a particularly big issue, then you're not particularly at risk from people who are out in the world if they're not vaccinated because they're sick and at home, right? So then that's not...
	Now, if there is asymptomatic transmission, then somebody smarter than me in this area has to explain to me, if there is such a thing as asymptomatic transmission, then by suppressing symptoms have we not increased the possibility of transmission, right? I just find it hilarious that less than 10 years ago there was really...
	There is propaganda, I guess, but to the extreme today, you could never say we would end up in this position where we'd be now from 10 years ago.
	If I were to say that, you'd probably have to agree somewhat, but where we are today, this is ridiculous.
	You know there's something wrong.
	I know there's So 15 years ago, I said we had 10 to 15 years.
	I mean, you can look this up in my early podcasts.
	15 years ago, I said we had 10 to 15 years before a true crisis, just based upon extrapolations of existing trends, right?
	Now, 10 to 15 years, about 10 years ago, 2016, right?
	The election of Trump.
	About 10 years ago, sorry, about 5 years ago, which was 10 years after I made the prediction, you started to see really savage censorship on social media platforms.
	Like, I was there from 2006 to 2016 with the glory days.
	You could actually speak your mind, and you never really thought about being deplatformed.
	I mean, people would say mean things about you, you'd get mean articles written about you and so on, but you wouldn't sit there and say, oh my gosh, somebody's going to put a fact check on everything that I do, and the fact check is going to be probably kind of erroneous.
	So I was there for those.
	So yeah, 15 years ago, I said we've got about 10 to 15 years, and around 10 years after I said that, the censorship started, and now the crisis seems to be So again, obviously, I wasn't predicting anything to do with COVID, but that was just based upon my analysis of the existing trends.
	And I have made my decisions according to that particular timeframe.
	So yeah, so I don't know the idea that I mean, does that mean now if you have unprotected sex, and you get an STD? Is that terrible now?
	Because you're We don't want to go down this road,
	do we? I don't think we do. It's not about health, fundamentally.
	If governments were concerned about health, you wouldn't have so many countries with more than 50% obesity.
	If governments were concerned about health, they wouldn't be teaching children to hate themselves on the basis of their own ethnicity, particularly if they're white.
	And so the idea that governments are really, really concerned about your health...
	If the government was concerned about your health, I don't think they would have taken ADHD and other psychotropics and put them into the...
	What about Boris Johnson?
	Boris Johnson is about to release a plan for social credit score, basically, regarding health.
	So apparently there's a government that fucking cares about us.
	Sorry about the swearing. I don't care.
	It's the least offensive thing that's going on in the world is you ripping a few sailor bombs.
	So I don't know much about the social credit score stuff in the UK. What's he talking about there?
	Yeah, that's right.
	He's going to implement something along the lines of China's system.
	It won't be exactly the same there, but it's going ahead.
	So what we eat, or what we don't eat, what we exercise maybe, or what job, whether we turn up or not, it's all going to be kind of there for the government to see.
	We are aware of this, right?
	We know where it's heading.
	We know where it's heading chips and And social credit score, that's the end game, I think.
	It's not the vaccination, it's the social credit system.
	I think that's the ultimate goal.
	Well, certainly the people in charge have weaker and weaker arguments, which means that they're going to be more and more censorious.
	I mean, the weaker your argument, the more, you know, if I end up in a fight with, I don't know, Mayweather at his prime, I'm going to want the guy kind of drunk because I can't win otherwise.
	So, you know, you want to undermine your opponents if you don't have a particularly good argument.
	So, yeah, that's pretty bad.
	Steph, I had high hopes for Brexit since Brexit happened and things stayed the same.
	Yes, I had some hopes for Brexit as well.
	I think some people had some hopes for Trump, that for once, in at least modern history, that there was a possibility that the political system was going to have to try and adapt to what people actually wanted.
	Because Trump's policies were pretty popular, to some degree even among the left.
	But then people gave it a shot and all of that, and they learned now what happens.
	I think one of his executives got arrested.
	He's now at a $500 million bail.
	It's something quite mad. So yeah, that's the way things go.
	Yeah. It seems very hard, if not historically impossible, to reverse the decline of a culture once the government gets this amount of power.
	You know, as they say, I mean, you can vote your way into socialism, but it's not quite so easy to get out.
	And generally, you just have to wait for a complete collapse for these kinds of things.
	So we'll see.
	We'll see. But yeah, I would certainly suggest trying to stay safe and be prepared for some pretty challenging eventualities that could be occurring in the world.
	All right. If anybody else has another question, issue, comment, problem.
	Sorry, I'm a little – I shouldn't say low energy.
	I'm mellowish.
	So what happened was I did a call last night.
	It started close to 10 because people had to get their kids down.
	It was a couple who was having serious problems in their marriage, and it was a killer, killer call.
	You can go to freedomain.locals.com, freedomain.locals.com.
	You can listen to it ahead of schedule.
	There's tons and tons of podcasts up there that have yet to be released.
	I may get around to releasing them at some point, but a lot of podcasts up there, videos, solo shows, and I think there's my interview with Suzanne Venker, and call-in shows with some pretty wild topics.
	Anyway, so we didn't finish the call until close to 1 o'clock, because it was the husband and the wife, and then the kids interrupted a little bit, or the baby interrupted here and there.
	And it was just an amazing, amazing call.
	So anyway, it took me a while to coast down from that level of frantic, hyper-philosophical energy.
	So yeah, I ended up falling asleep.
	I think it was after five o'clock in the morning.
	And so yeah, things are feeling a little low energy.
	I'm sorry, go ahead. That might have been why I got a word in.
	Thanks, Stefan, anyway.
	Yeah, thanks, man. I appreciate it. I appreciate it.
	All right. Any other last comments, issues?
	Hey, Steph. Hello.
	Go ahead. Can I talk?
	Yeah. Okay.
	So, what I'm about to tell you is probably something you were already touching on.
	I was at work today, and for some reason, people in my sector, they were talking about phamosis, and...
	About, sorry, what? Suddenly...
	It's like the condition, I'm not really sure about the name in English, but it's that condition where there's skin on the penis that hurts the man.
	Okay. You probably know what I'm talking about, right?
	I'm afraid I don't.
	Is it where the foreskin is too tight or something like that?
	It's kind of like that, yeah.
	Anyway, that's not really important.
	The point of the situation is that suddenly one of the women, she said out loud that...
	She and her 14-year-old son still bathed together, and she was not seeing any issue with that.
	So people just got a little, let's say, disturbed by that, but no one made any claim that shamed her or anything like that.
	People just said, well, that's kind of weird.
	But I was wondering, in situations like that, Should I just leave them alone?
	Because I know it's quite dysfunctional to have a relationship with your son.
	So I was not sure about if I should comment something or just ignore that because it's pretty disgusting to hear something like that and you know that that person has two children.
	So I'm just not sure what to do.
	What do you think about that? Oh, it's horrible.
	I mean, what you're describing is horrible.
	It's like skin-crawlingly horrible.
	I mean, 14, you're post-puberty.
	You've got pubic hair, you've got, you know, your male hormones, your teenage hormones have kicked in and spontaneous erections and bathing nude with your mommy is like, I mean, that's where supervillains come from, it would seem to me. Is there any dad around?
	I guess not, right? Yeah, actually, there is a dad.
	She is married to the same man she first met, I guess.
	But I honestly don't know how that works at her house because I never actually heard someone just blurting that out casually.
	Like, I still have a bath with my 14-year-old son.
	I just didn't know what to do at the time.
	What's the cultural background of the woman?
	Um, let's say, she doesn't seem to be from a dysfunctional family.
	I cannot make any guarantees because I don't really know her.
	No, no, sorry, I didn't ask for the personal background.
	Ethnic or cultural background?
	Oh, it's from a third world country.
	I mean, it's third world, but that's not common or accepted even through third world standards.
	I don't know. I mean, do you know that for a fact?
	I don't know which countries she's from.
	Don't tell me, but I don't know the family habits of all the countries in the world.
	Yeah, I know what you mean, but I live in a third world country.
	And being part of it, I can't guarantee you.
	Third world countries are just one big blob that's indistinguishable and all the same, right?
	There's lots of variation. Yeah, my bad.
	Yeah, let's say South America then.
	And even though...
	I can tell you that this kind of thing might not be as repulsive as it would be in England, I guess.
	But people were not happy or just...
	People were not accepting that as normal.
	They were pretty disturbed by it.
	But from what I know about her, she doesn't seem to be from a family that was...
	Subjected to that kind of thing.
	At least, I don't know. Well, I mean, that's, you know, we're really reaching if from a co-worker's conversation, you can try and figure out her psychosexual history.
	That's, you know, I don't think.
	Yeah, it's impossible. I know.
	But she can't be, I cannot imagine someone having a happy childhood and like a regular life just Being subject to that kind of behavior or thinking that's fine, it just doesn't make any sense to me.
	Well, that's why I was asking about the dad, because one of the things that occurs with father absence, whether the father absence is explicit in that there's no dad around or implicit in that the dad is emotionally unavailable or always working, always traveling, is that, you see, I have to really reach across a psychological divide here.
	I don't know if I've ever really experienced loneliness.
	I don't think I have, at least not in the way that people describe.
	That doesn't mean I haven't missed people.
	It doesn't mean that I don't enjoy the company of people.
	I do. But my own thoughts, you know, it's quite a fascinating museum, cathedral, disco ball, Mount Vesuvius eruption of thought and ideas in my head.
	I'm never bored in my own head, ever.
	In fact, I'd like to be a little more bored in my own head from time to time.
	It's a very fertile place to be.
	It's a very fertile place to be.
	And so I don't know really what it's like to be lonely in the way that...
	I think for men it's a little different.
	We tend to be a little bit more independent.
	So the reason I asked about the dad is that there does seem to be this rather common thing that happens wherein women who don't, like the moms, who don't have a strong connection with the dad will often end up fastening on one of the children and usually it's the older son.
	And the older son gets promoted to pretend boy-husband.
	And that's really, really bad for the kid, right?
	Because the mom's possessive.
	I mean, my mom didn't do this to me exactly, but she did try and promote me to...
	Stitch and bitch girlfriend, participant.
	In other words, she would sit there and she would tell me she would go to these dances in Toronto and there'd be some guy and they would be exchanging looks and then he'd get up and go and do this and then he'd walk past but he'd pause briefly and talk to someone next to her and she'd try and figure out what he meant, whether he was going to ask her out, whether he liked her.
	Like just incredibly convoluted, complicated, you know, Russell Crowe, beautiful mind, crazy stuff on the wall.
	Examinations of every nuance and facial tick of some social situation.
	And my mom would, you know, come into my room with her coffee and her cigarette, and she'd just sit on the edge of my bed, and then he did this, and what do you think he meant by this?
	And then he would go, and then he did, right?
	It was mind-crushingly boring, but also it's the worst combination of boring and threat because if I lost track of the story and didn't provide some input in an appropriate way in an appropriate context, she'd get really angry at me and then the evening could go right into the crapper and I could go right into the wall.
	So, and I, when I got older, I would steadfastly resist this.
	If I was dating a girl and the girl would want to talk to me about convoluted emotional interaction, spiderweb estrogen stuff, I'd say, no, no, no, no.
	This is why God invented girlfriends.
	Go call your sister.
	Go call your mom. Go call your girlfriends.
	This is not for me. And I said, I promise not to go through the challenges I have In getting Access 2.0 to create disk 3 of my install without having to run the whole installation process.
	I will not inflict that on you, but you can inflict this hyperanalysis of every facial tick in some social situation and what everyone thinks and what everyone means.
	That's not me. I have testicles.
	You need to talk to somebody who doesn't because that's not me.
	And I don't do that stuff.
	I haven't since I was a kid.
	So the reason I'm mentioning all of that, of course, is that...
	It sounds like the mom is lonely and the mom is fastening onto the son because she feels isolated.
	And again, isolation for men is just we've got some personal space.
	We've got some boundaries. But for women, isolation is a torture.
	It is a torture and they feel like they're drowning, some of these women.
	And they just grab onto, you know, like if you're drowning, you just grab onto whatever's up there, right?
	And they'll just, oh, my son is here.
	Okay, good.
	I've got company.
	I've got someone I can talk to because especially neurotic women or high-strung women or high-maintenance women, their thoughts are just constantly bubbling up.
	And it seems the only way they can relieve the pressure is just words.
	It's like they're just filling up.
	They're going to, like, shake in a can.
	You open it. You know?
	It's like that, what was it, the old Jim Carrey thing about Michael Bolton, the singer.
	Like, Michael Bolton would just, like, sing so hard, like, veins would pop out in his head.
	He's like, we've got to cut him backstage, man, to relieve the pressure.
	It's like... So I would imagine that it has something to do with loneliness.
	And so if the mom is able to deal with the loneliness and stop hanging on to the kid because it's, you know, it's not healthy for the kid.
	The son has got to start looking.
	He can't be the appendage of his mom's loneliness.
	He can't be something that she uses like an emotional tampon to sop up the excess of her isolation if that's what's happening.
	What can you do about it?
	I don't know. I don't know.
	That's a tough call, man. It's tough in the workplace.
	It's tough in the workplace because if you trip over some giant family secret, you're doomed or at least you're at significant risk.
	So let's say that you bring this up and let's say the mom is sexually preying upon the child.
	I'm not saying she is.
	I don't know. But let's say she is.
	Well, you've just walked into a Tarantino movie, right?
	You've just walked into a situation where she's going to want to destroy you or drive you away or wreck your life because you're coming close to something which could destroy her entire family and land her in jail for a long period of time.
	Right? So, or let's say that, you know, whatever, whatever else is going on.
	And you, you know, you hear these creepy stories about the moms who like, well, I have to make sure that his penis is clean when he's 12 or 14 or whatever.
	And it's like, no, no, you don't.
	God, please, no, no, don't do any of that stuff.
	Leave the boy's penis alone, for God's sakes, right?
	So, yeah, what you can do, it's tough.
	If you're in a flyby situation, Like, you know, you're at a mall and you see some parent hitting the kid.
	You know, they're not enmeshed in your life or whatever.
	This one, that's pretty tricky.
	You know, my suggestion would be just try and gather more intel before you make a decision and see if you can find out a little bit more about what you're dealing with and all of that.
	But the idea that you can deal with that kind of pathology in a family with a comment or a whatever, I mean, that seems pretty unlikely.
	But I guess more information would be the place to go.
	Yeah, it's quite impossible, I guess.
	What I did at the time was just to, I just commented like, isn't he a little old or a little too old for that?
	And people were just following the same thing I said.
	But there's also, you just said something interesting because I'm new at the company, so I'm kind of walking on eggshells.
	I don't want to Make any comment or claim that will make people get on their bedside.
	So there's also this issue.
	But yeah, I guess it's not like I can fix the situation by just talking to her or anything.
	I was just a little appalled by the whole thing.
	No, and I think you're right to.
	I think you're right to, and it doesn't sound ideal to me, to put it mildly.
	So yeah, best of luck with that, and man, I guess I'll hear from him in 10 years.
	All right, and not you, the poor guy.
	My mom bathed me when I was a teenager, or bathed with me when I was a teenager.
	It's not like going swimming. It's a form of abuse, right?
	I think it's fair to say.
	Yeah, I think it's definitely a form of exploitation because the boy...
	The boy doesn't want to be bathing with his mom naked, right?
	At least we hope not.
	And therefore, it's for the needs of the mom rather than herself, rather than the boy.
	And I think it is kind of destructive, very, very destructive with that.
	So, yeah. All right.
	One last question? One last comment?
	Thanks, man. Yeah.
	Steph. Max.
	You need a software engineer volunteer.
	I think I saw you post something about that, and that is wonderfully, fantastically kind.
	If you want to send me a resume, I would be thrilled and overjoyed.
	There's always stuff to do, man.
	There's always stuff to do, so if you would be kind enough to help out, I would be thrilled beyond words.
	Which email address should I send it to?
	Operations at freedomain.com Okay, will do.
	Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it.
	Go on once. Go on twice.
	Sprechen Sie Deutsch?
	Parlez-vous français? Do you speak English?
	Anybody? Go on once.
	Go on twice. Look at that. We've come to the very end.
	We've defeated the final boss of philosophy, and all questions have been answered.
	How nice. How nice.
	nice let me just dip back into the chat here just in case they have Japanese TV show episodes where they ask if women if they still bathe with their dad and they're like yeah I'm 40 Really? Lloyd DeMoss had some pretty interesting things to say about the sexual dynamics between parents and children in Japanese families.
	It was really, really something else.
	Oh, sorry, the link, freedomain.locals.com.
	freedomain.locals.com.
	Yeah, I mean, you can come.
	It's free to join. It's a nice community there, and you can support me if you want.
	I would appreciate that as well.
	All right, let's see here.
	My ex was Japanese.
	It's not normal. No, I don't think it is.
	Is the son disabled or something?
	But then you would bathe, not with your son, you would bathe your son.
	Let's see here. End the Fed.
	Sorry for just jumping in again, but the son is not disabled.
	He doesn't have anything like that.
	He's going to be disabled, though, mostly psychologically, I assume.
	I guess, right? Right, right.
	Okay, thanks. Thanks.
	All right. Did you have clients before you started your tech company?
	No. Yeah, TikTok, I'm on it, right?
	Are you still on PayPal? God, no.
	I got kicked off PayPal a year ago in November.
	All right. Okay. Well, listen, such a pleasure to chat with you guys tonight.
	I really appreciate it. And freedomain.com forward slash donate if you want to help out the show, freedomain.locals.com.
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	Thank you so much for the immense joy and...
	Energy that I get out of these conversations and such wonderful questions and such a fantastic group to chat with.
	I really, really appreciate that.
	So have yourselves a wonderful evening.
	I will see you Friday night, 7 p.m.
	Eastern Standard Time to talk about, well, it'll be a call-in, I suppose.
	And if you have any other questions or issues, if you want to join the call-in, It's callin, C-A-L-L-I-N, callin at freedomain.com.
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