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April 27, 2021 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux

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The Horrors of Freud - Stefan Molyneux Livestream AMA

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	Yes, that's right. That's right, it's me.
	How you guys doing?
	How be your evening, matey?
	It's the 26th of April, 2021.
	And I just missed you guys and wanted to drop by and see what kind of sparks of greatness we could get up to together with your glorious questions and comments and all that kind of good stuff.
	And also, also, we can do a voice chat tonight if you like.
	I have thoughts. I think I have four more and then I'm done.
	Oh wait, no, that was one of them.
	Three more. Oh no, that was a second.
	I'm done. That's it. Game over.
	Show's done. Show's over.
	It's been a good run. So, hi everybody.
	A great pleasure to chat with you.
	Good evening. And if you have questions, I mean, I put out one today.
	A good video today. Got to be straight up with you.
	I just decided to sit and do a show, and I needed to keep this cell phone close to me because it just had a little attachment for better audio, but it didn't have like a lapel thing.
	And you know, when you're looking at yourself, and I'll be 55 this year, you're looking at yourself on a big screen, 1080p, 60 frames a second, I'll give you an example of what I mean.
	So here, if you would like to simulate, this would be slightly better if my head was a little redder, but if you wanted to simulate a Mars landing, something like this.
	Houston, we are getting close to Mars.
	It seems to be very spotty.
	I see a thought.
	It's being deplatformed. So that's me.
	There it is. My bit of physical comedy for the night.
	Oh yeah, the couple.
	Oh my gosh. The couple.
	Yeah, you should check out the show.
	Steph, help us stop violence.
	There's a couple that are very violent with each other and we just dove right into the deep roots of it and you should really, really check it out.
	You should really, really check it out.
	So... Throw up your questions in here.
	I've got a couple to...
	That was a lot to unpack.
	It was a lot to unpack.
	And please, share the stream if you can.
	I would appreciate that.
	Share the stream. Defy the deplatformers.
	And... Do you want to start with perspective?
	I'll tell you something about perspective.
	So... I did an interview.
	Yes, I'm still doing interviews.
	Not as common as they used to be.
	But all the radical Bitcoiners, well, they won't talk to me.
	But anyway, I did an interview and it started off something like this.
	It was, so Steph, I'm a libertarian and I completely disavowed you because I believed everything the media had said about you.
	Well, I appreciate the frankness, I suppose.
	And in it, There was the question, you know, the question that he was most fascinated by.
	The reason I'm telling you this is I'm not entirely convinced the interview will ever be released.
	He seemed a little...
	He went to a bunch of people online and said, Hey, I just interviewed Stefan Molyneux.
	It's like parting the Red Sea.
	My name is like the hand of Moses that goes down a body of water and splits it into two.
	Stefan Molyneux, divider and opposer of things.
	But he's one of the fascinating statements of mine, or a statement of mine that he found fascinating was, almost all decisions can be made simply by asking the right questions.
	Almost all decisions can be made simply by asking the right questions.
	So why did I push back against the media's lies about Trump and maybe did a teeny tiny bit in helping him get elected?
	Well, Well, a couple of things, but not least of which was he was a peace candidate, right?
	He was a peace candidate. Now, I knew that pushing back on media lies about Trump was going to cause blowback up to and including and even beyond de-platforming, right?
	But for me, the question was, okay, well, if Hillary Clinton has already declared her intention to start at least three wars, And don't buy the lie that Biden is getting out of Afghanistan, by the way. It's still tons of murks in there.
	Anyway, so she was going to start at least three wars.
	There's going to be lots of bombing in the Middle East.
	She was certainly going to resume things with Russia.
	She was going to resume things with Syria.
	There was going to be some other things, probably escalate things with Iran.
	So those were the signals.
	And, you know, when these conflicts happen, hundreds of thousands of people get killed.
	And it's the big question.
	The big question, if you have some credibility with people out there, if you have credibility with your family, and excuse my French, I'm going to get a little salty here because I'm very passionate about this topic.
	Big question is, okay, if you have credibility online, if you have an audience online online, What the fuck is your credibility for?
	It's a big question. It's a big, important question.
	You build up all this credibility.
	Now, you don't want to squander your credibility or your audience on a little thing, on a nothing burger, on a piece of nonsense.
	You know, I saw this article the other day, you know, 10 streamers who destroyed their careers in an instant, and it was all for nothing, if some stupid cheat or some swear word or some N-word or something like that.
	And That's for nothing.
	So the question is, for me, I built up this audience, right?
	Got a million people on YouTube, half a million people are close to it on Twitter and had a certain income stream and so on.
	And so the question is, okay, well, what's it for?
	What's it for? Is it for me to be popular?
	Well, if there's one thing a philosopher should never, ever, ever be, except with you, my good and boon companions, you should never be popular.
	Conformity to the present is invisibility to the future.
	You should never, ever, ever aim for popularity.
	As a philosopher or as a decent human being, popularity is the last thing.
	And, you know, remember, I was raised a Christian...
	It wasn't like Jesus was overly popular in his environment, right?
	It wasn't like Nietzsche was over popular in his environment or Plato or Aristotle or Socrates or, you know, anybody of any worth and salt.
	Anybody who helps push the human condition forward is viewed as a garden for the future, but a cancer for the present, right?
	That's inevitable. In order to move...
	The human moral condition forward, you have to create, expand, inflict a definition of morality that turns a lot of good people evil, so to speak.
	Or actually, since good and evil are beyond definition, they're beyond subjective human consciousness, then you are revealing a lot of people as evil who either to thought they were good, right?
	So, I mean, the people who ended slavery...
	Well, slavery was considered good and fine and just spoils of war throughout all of human history.
	And then, you know, white, northern, western, European, Christian Protestants ended it in the west and around the world, for the most part.
	You know, except for whoever builds Apple products and the Eastern European sex trade and a lot of Indian players.
	Anyway, to a large degree.
	So slave owning, slave trading was considered an honorable occupation.
	And then when slavery was defined as immoral, those people had, they fought not just to retain their slaves, but they fought to retain their sense of being moral.
	And so every time you advance a human condition, You turn on the lights and people who hitherto thought they were doing the right thing are revealed as doing the wrong thing.
	Now, in the moment of that revelation, that's not when they become evil.
	Socrates was right to some degree in that evil is simply a lack of knowledge.
	And this is sort of what I'm arguing for here.
	Evil is simply a lack of knowledge.
	It's totally right. Once you have that knowledge, then you have a choice.
	If you believe that spanking children is the right thing to do, is the moral thing to do, and without that you get Antifa, and with that you get the 1950s suburbs, you don't know the moral arguments, you don't know the science, you don't know the psychology,
	you don't know the effects, you don't know the cortisol system, you just don't know, well then you're in a state of So,
	when a moralist comes along and begins to define things correctly as immoral, that hitherto were accepted as not just amoral, but moral...
	Then there's a moment, and that moment of insight and understanding is where the potential for moral behavior is created.
	Free will is created in the moment when you understand a moral argument.
	Free will is created in the moment that you understand a moral argument.
	And people go one of two directions once they hear the moral argument.
	Some people explore, are curious, think about it, and grow, and therefore create free will.
	Because a human being will not generally Knowingly do something that he or she perceives as immoral.
	Which is why control of the definition of morality is so important because it's the train track most people run on.
	The Nazis thought they were doing something moral.
	The communists and the fascists and the Khmer Rouge all thought they were doing something moral.
	Or at least they told themselves that although mostly it was simply sadism with a bow on top.
	But In that moment when you redefine morality and people who thought they were good are revealed as potentially evil, then they have a choice.
	And some people will embrace that choice and work to improve the moral condition of mankind.
	Many people will run away from that fight and some people will fight back viciously because they don't want to be defined as immoral.
	And the longer society has lasted and the more entrenched the definitions of morality are, Then, the more people will fight back.
	So, for me, the question is, okay, well, I gained all of this audience.
	I gained this credibility.
	I was doing tours and speaking at a lot of different places, and books are still doing well, but, you know, there are 100,000 of my books being read every month.
	Like, every month.
	It's completely wild.
	And I was doing 10 million views and downloads or more, getting 10,000 new followers on YouTube, getting 10,000, sorry, 10 million views and downloads a month.
	Yeah, yeah, that's right, a month.
	And I was well on my way to a billion views and downloads.
	So that's... That's important, right?
	I had a lot of visibility, a lot of credibility.
	So what do you do with it? What do you do with it?
	And that's a big question, right?
	So I knew that when I opposed...
	Well, when I said taxation is theft, lots of people have been saying that.
	When I said spanking is violence, spanking is abuse, that was pretty tough.
	Circumcision is abuse, circumcision is infant mutilation.
	It's pretty tough. That's pretty tough for people.
	And... So, what do you do with your credibility?
	Is it for you, or is it for the good?
	So, in terms of, do I want to take on particular topics that I knew would risk me being deplatformed?
	Well, I mean, the big one, of course, was the Trump thing.
	There was Brexit to some degree, race and IQ. There was talking about various ethnic supremacy arguments, opposing those, of course.
	There was spanking and child abuse and so on.
	I mean, the anti-statism was certainly there, but it's so far in the future that it doesn't threaten any particular interest in the here and now.
	There was promoting birth rates among intelligent people, which very much goes against the plans of the elites, all that kind of stuff.
	So what do you have it for?
	What do you have, or what did I have the credibility?
	This is not about me. This is about you, right?
	You have credibility in your particular sphere.
	What's it for? So for me, sitting there and saying, okay, well, the work that I've done Probably well north of a million or probably closer to two million kids are not being beaten, are not being abused.
	Some massive number of kids are not being genetically mutilated, right?
	What's that? Whenever I say the word mutilated, this is an old song.
	This is an old song.
	Okay, let's see. Let's see who can...
	I can't sing it nearly as well, but let's see.
	Who can get this one?
	Death-defying, mutilated armies gathered me up.
	Anyone? Anyone?
	Crawling out of dirty holes.
	Yeah, their morals, their morals disappear.
	Anybody? You'll get it.
	You'll get it. I'm sure you will. Great singer.
	And pretty charismatic guy, by the way, too.
	Although not a charismatic performer, John Anderson.
	Oh, my God. I've seen Yes a couple of times live.
	Yeah, yours is no disgrace, but yes.
	Yeah, yeah. And thank you for, I don't have his countertenor or the beauty of his voice, but yeah, John Anderson has got like the charisma of a garden gnome.
	Actually, that's unfair to the garden gnome.
	It's a garden gnome, has a lot more charisma.
	Great singer, but my gosh.
	So, old lady got mutilated late last night.
	Werewolves of London. Yeah, yeah.
	So, that guy died young, Warren's even, right?
	Died pretty young. I just remember there's some movie, is it Cocktail or something like that, where Tom Cruise is like, his hair was perfect, and he fondles his own hair.
	It's like really kind of cute that way.
	I hate circumcision, but I also don't like hearing about it.
	Thank you for sharing.
	So what is the credibility for?
	What is the audience for? Well, if it's for my vanity, and if it's for my income, and if it's for my reach, and so on, then I could have stayed off hot topics, and given my charisma, my humor, my language skills, my analogy skills, my philosophical training in history, if I had stayed off those topics, I would still have an audience, I would do world tours, I'd be on TV, all over the places, right?
	Now, on the other hand, if you look at...
	What I have done, which is, all I've done is consistently applied the non-aggression principle.
	That's all I've done, really, is consistently applied the non-aggression principle.
	Sounds kind of small when you...
	Well, all Einstein did was consistently apply the speed of light.
	If he said the speed of light is constant, our perception of the universe changes to become more accurate.
	Or if Newton says gravity is constant, everything falls, then he understands that the apple falls to the earth, the earth falls around the sun, the sun falls around the galaxy, and so on, right?
	So for me, when I was talking in this interview, it was, okay, so if, let's just say 2 million, which, you know, I mean, with three quarters of a billion views and downloads, plus, I don't know, another 10 million, oh gosh, maybe more than that, 10 million books, oh gosh, maybe more than that, 10 million books, so all of this stuff, right?
	So with all of that, it's conservative.
	It probably is much more than that, but let's just say 2 million kids are not being abused, right?
	So then I would say the question comes down to this.
	Would you want to keep your audience if it meant that 2 million children keep getting beaten and genitally mutilated?
	It's a big question, right? Would you sell your audience to prevent millions of children from being abused?
	Now, if you put it that way, right?
	You put it that way. If, you know, the race war that the communists want, and let's be perfectly frank about that, the communists want a race war, right?
	Which is why they want to import Millions and millions of non-whites into the West and then teach them critical race theory to hate whites, and they want a race war, and that way they can take over.
	So if I start talking about racial disparities in IQ tests and so on, that's a way of cooling the flames of the race war, and so we can discuss challenges of a multicultural society, multiracial society, without hysteria and blame and violence and aggression, and we can at least try that.
	We can at least try that. Is that worth it?
	Yes. In a minimum, if the U.S. escalates wars in the Middle East and Ukraine and Russia and Iran, so if, at the very minimum, hundreds of thousands of people are going to get killed.
	So if I can do a tiny bit to push back against the media lines about Trump, if Trump gets elected, and he was the anti-war president, he was the anti-war president, first president in I don't even know how many generations to not start a new war or police action.
	So at least hundreds of thousands of people will live instead of die.
	At least hundreds of thousands of people will live instead of die if you keep the warmonger called Hillary Rodham Clinton out of the White House.
	All right? So millions of kids schooling a potential race, millions of kids not getting abused, schooling a potential race war, Hundreds of thousands of babies being born from smart people who otherwise wouldn't be born because I talk about the joys of parenting and push back against this work till you drop bullshit that passes for the substitution for family in the modern world.
	And, oh yeah, might have done my little bit to help prevent a war or wars wherein at least, at least hundreds of thousands or possibly more people would get killed.
	So, keeping hundreds of thousands of people alive, millions of kids not getting abused, is it worth burning your platform for that?
	Fuck yes. Absolutely.
	I say, ah, but Steph, if you had kept your platform, you could have kept these messages going.
	No, no. No, that's not how it works, though.
	The temptation to dilute essential facts that save lives, diluting that, So that you can keep your platform to do good.
	It's bullshit. Doesn't work that way.
	Doesn't work that way. If you're effective at fighting evil, they will de-platform you.
	And the only way to not get de-platformed is to not be effective at fighting evil.
	Is it worth de-platforming?
	Yeah. Absolutely.
	Because, another thing too, I'm aiming...
	If it means, and it does, this is the way it works in philosophy.
	A smaller audience in the present is a larger effect in the future.
	And I, you guys know the story of Freud?
	I talked about this at one of the Night for Freedoms back in the day.
	Do you, thank you for your work, Stefan.
	You changed how I think about things.
	things.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you very much.
	So what am I?
	Uh, so sorry.
	I looked at the chat and my brain vanished.
	Yeah, subscribe to Stephan on unauthorized.tv.
	Yeah, you can subscribe to me on unauthorized.tv.
	I would appreciate that. You can also go to freedomain.locals.com.
	You can help me out there as well.
	So, well, yeah, I like Tucker Carlson a lot.
	I think he's, you know, he's pretty frank and pretty honest, but, you know, there's so much stuff that he doesn't talk about.
	It's like, so he had Candace Owens on.
	And again, I like Candace, a very powerful communicator and a very courageous woman in many ways.
	But she knows all about the IQ stuff, but she won't talk about it.
	And that's fine.
	It's fine to me if people don't want to talk about that stuff, even though it's absolutely essential to have any chance of maintaining peace in a multiracial society.
	But she was on Tucker Carlson a couple of days ago or last week or whatever.
	And she was just railing against everybody who's just too cowardly to talk about the important things.
	It's like, yeah, but she knows all about the IQ stuff and she won't talk about it.
	Because she wants to keep her audience.
	And so the price of talking about things is deplatforming.
	And the alternative to talking about things is to retain an audience.
	And I get where people are coming from.
	Look, not everybody has to make the decision that I made.
	I'm open for diversity, right?
	But there's a lot that Tucker Carlson simply can't talk about.
	Simply Can't talk about.
	And I'm pretty sure he knows it all.
	I'm pretty sure he knows it all, you know, that seven degrees of separation stuff.
	So yeah, he'll talk about, oh, America's getting too crowded.
	It's like, well, that's not really the issue.
	I don't know what too crowded means.
	I mean, it's close to an antinatalist position, right?
	One in four black men are smart and the average white man.
	Ben Carson is a brain surgeon.
	Yeah, well, no, I think the numbers are a little different than that.
	But yeah, that's, I mean, plenty of brilliant, right?
	Plenty of brilliant stuff. So, yeah, so do you want to keep your audience or do you want to keep your soul?
	And I was, I mean, I've never, never in this.
	God, never in this for the vanity.
	My God, can you imagine being in this for the vanity, being in this to feel important or to feel like you've got a big audience or, ah, it's too many compromises.
	It's too many compromises.
	There's a reason I've kept the operation tight and lean and broadcast in general like I'm trapped inside a ping pong ball or the imagination of AOC or whatever, so...
	Yeah, so I don't know.
	Is it better to get closer to issues and then draw back so that people think that you're talking about something real?
	I don't know. I don't know.
	Yeah, so Freud. So this, you know, one of the big examples I had.
	I mean, I didn't build what I do out of nothing.
	I built what I do out of a deep studying of people who did it before.
	And I'll tell you the brief story of Freud, which was one of the most...
	I loved Freud a lot.
	I mean, I found him on the interpretation of dreams and the id, the ego, and the superego corresponding to the mammal, the human, and God.
	I mean, it's amazing stuff.
	And, you know, a great writer and all of that.
	An absolutely wretched human being.
	He popularized cocaine, got a bunch of his friends addicted to cocaine, destroyed life left, right, and center, which at an individual basis was pretty horrifying, of course, but...
	But I would say that the great betrayal of Freud, which in many ways could have been the dominoes that led to the First World War, believe it or not, the great betrayal of Freud was not interfering with the pedos preying on the kids in Vienna, So for those of you who don't know the story, and I'll try and keep this brief, feel free to ask questions.
	So the great problem of mental illness, which unfortunately now is, quote, solved by pharmaceutical interventions, which aren't medicine and don't treat any known disorder, and there's no blood test for any of this stuff, which aren't medicine and don't treat any known disorder, and You know, it restores a chemical imbalance in the brain.
	Really? Can I get a test for that chemical imbalance before you give me the treatment?
	No! We're just going to call it chemical imbalance because we don't want to deal with what Freud failed to deal with.
	So... The great problem of mental illness and in particular what was called hysteria among women, now it's called somatization, which is when you have a medical issue that has no medical cause.
	So you can't feel, maybe you can't feel anything in your arm, you say, right?
	Or you can't see out of one eye or you can't speak and there's no medical issue.
	They can test for these things, right?
	So there's no medical issue. The question is what the hell is going on?
	What the hell is going on? So, Freud, in his curiosity about the unconscious, the unconscious or the subconscious has been clocked at 8,000 times faster than the conscious mind.
	It is unbelievable horsepower.
	The conscious mind is kind of like a laser.
	It can light up and burn things through, but it has no peripheral vision.
	But the unconscious is kind of like bright moonlight.
	If you've ever been out in the woods, once your eyes adjust, you can actually navigate and track by moonlight.
	I did that when I walked up north, and I do that sometimes when I hike.
	Snowy landscapes, trees, and a full moon.
	It's like... Surfing a frozen sea of powdered diamonds is just the most beautiful thing, especially when the air is crisp and your breath is foggy.
	Beautiful. So, IQ is a dumb topic.
	I agree with Jim, Jesus, and others about IQ. Really?
	That's a good troll.
	IQ is dumb topic.
	No, you're trolling. That's good trolling though.
	IQ B for dumb heads.
	IQ is dumb topic.
	That is troll. That's really good.
	That's really good. Sorry, that's it.
	So Freud, it's back to serious stuff, right?
	So So Freud began asking patients about their dreams and the unconscious process of their minds, and he started doing this word association stuff and so on.
	And it did not take him very long before, particularly the female patients, remember he was operating in upper middle class Vienna, and of course a lot of Jewish households, Jewish communities, though not exclusively that way, of course.
	And so Freud began to ask his patients about their childhoods.
	And what, oh what!
	Did our good friend Dr.
	Freud find out about the childhoods of the patients of his, who had this somatization, who had medical issues with no medical problem, no source?
	What did he find out about the childhoods of these people?
	Freud, yeah, Freud was Jewish himself, but it's not particularly relevant.
	So, Freud...
	Found out that his patients, that his patients had been raped as children.
	His patients had been raped as children.
	The men, the boys, were raped.
	The girls were raped as children.
	And he, in a sense, stumbled into the great secret cave of the world with regards to pedophilia.
	And I think almost without exception, I had a guy, a Canadian doctor, Dr.
	Gabor Mate on my show a couple of times, and he's written about his experience treating heroin addicts in Vancouver's rough neighborhood.
	And he said that every single one of the female Heroin addicts were sexually abused as a child, and all they're doing is self-medicating the horror, not just the horror of having been sexually abused, but the horror of a society that just dum-de-dum-de-dum travels along without recognizing this central awful fact.
	This central awful fact.
	So, Freud stumbled into the human hell of the rape of children, sexual molestation of children.
	And he found, or claimed, that when the women talked about this, that their symptoms began to abate, began to alleviate.
	But, as I said before, every piece of progress comes with blowback.
	And expecting the progress without the blowback is expecting the waves to go out and never come back in.
	So Freud began to publish and give lectures on the etiology of hysteria, on the etiology of anxiety, depression, and somatized or psychologically manifested physical symptoms where there's no underlying medical cause.
	And he said, well, you know, the cause of this appears to be child's rape.
	Oh, my God. Mental illness.
	Craziness. It was explained with demonology, bad vapors, every piece of nonsense under sun and moon, when the first place to look is child abuse, and the worst the symptoms are, the more likely it is that the abuse is egregious, and childhood sexual abuse is about the most egregious of all.
	So he started to lecture on this.
	And the solution was hovering in the peripheral vision of society.
	Why are people crazy? Why are women hysterical?
	Why do people go numb?
	Why can't they sleep?
	Why do they blow up?
	Why are they addicts? The preying on children.
	Particularly the sexual preying upon children.
	sexual abuse of children.
	And then the blowback started.
	So he started to say, oh my god, child rape is at the root of all of this.
	He lifted the final rock in the modern world.
	And he saw what was underneath.
	And he saw what was going on.
	And he spoke about it.
	Incredible. Incredible.
	Now, what happened then?
	Well, of course, he got deplatformed or he was threatened.
	Well, he was an addict.
	Yeah, he was an addict to cocaine.
	He was an addict to cigars.
	He died, as you know, I'm sure, of cancer of the cheek and jaw based upon his.
	He would smoke like 20 cigars a day.
	And of course, people said, well, if you're so good with psychology, why can't you cure yourself of a cigar addiction?
	To which he annoyingly, repetitively and ridiculously replied, well, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, right?
	Well, no, it wasn't, right? But Freud himself was a victim of childhood sexual abuse.
	As Jung was himself the victim of childhood sexual abuse.
	As Marilyn Monroe was the victim of childhood sexual abuse.
	As, as, as, and you can just go on and on about this.
	The singer for the Bay City Rollers.
	My God, you guys are way too old, way too young for this stuff.
	But the singer of the Bay City Rollers just died yesterday, I think.
	He himself was the victim of childhood sexual abuse.
	And I think he claimed that his gay manager raped one of the band members or something like that.
	You can look it up. So Freud said, well, I think that the etiology of mental illness is...
	Sexual abuse of children.
	Now, of course, the people who've sexually abused children, they don't want to talk about that, do they?
	So what did they do? Well, they complained to his college, his regulatory body.
	They tried to get his license pulled.
	Another guy had, what, six kids or something like that, and his wife didn't work with us back in the day, right?
	19th century. So he kind of freaked out.
	They threatened to destroy him for speaking the truth about evil.
	One of the first people in human history to really, really understand and examine this topic and talk about it publicly.
	And they threatened to de-platform him.
	Destroy his reputation, take away his source of income.
	Hello! It's not the first time.
	Not the first time. If you want to, you don't have to.
	If you want to, hit me a why.
	Give me a why in the chat if anything like this happened to you.
	If you want to. Don't have to.
	If you want to.
	Inappropriate touching, childhood sexual abuse.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm really sorry.
	Bye.
	Really sorry.
	Yeah.
	Can you hit me with an N if you haven't?
	Yeah, but the sexual abuse has a special category of challenge for people, right?
	Which, again, I completely understand.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry for those of you who have.
	I really, really am. I was in massive danger, but it never quite happened.
	I'll talk about that another time, but anyway.
	So, they threatened a hell out of Freud, and then Freud Had a problem because he'd already put this stuff out there about how the women reported being raped as girls and the men reported being raped as boys.
	And he had a big problem.
	A big problem. It's already out there.
	Can you just retract it?
	Not really. He'd already done lectures, written articles.
	So, I don't know that technically, I don't know that circumcision would count as sexual abuse, genital mutilation, I don't know if it counts as sexual abuse in the same way.
	So, Freud had a problem, and do you know what Freud's solution to this problem was?
	The problem? Of having talked about the sexual abuse of children and then, I assume, the pedophiles put massive pressure to get them deplatformed.
	Was it Reddit being sued at the moment for failing to deal with sexual abuse images of children being sued?
	Now Reddit, of course, like many social media outlets, has put massive, has devoted massive resources to silencing and censoring and shadow banning anti-communists, conservatives, voluntarists, you name it, right?
	So they can't say, well, we don't have the resources to deal with child sexual exploitation images.
	Same thing's happening with Twitter.
	Twitter had to get, what was it, a order from the Department of Homeland Security finally take down.
	Oh, appalling, appalling stuff.
	A lot of these places are just vipers' nests of evil.
	So they can quite efficiently deal with what is colloquially called hate speech and conservatives, and they can root out and find any information that goes against The bureaucratic mumblings of the WHO and the CDC, they can find and de-platform everybody and their dog.
	But apparently, you see, they just can't deal with childhood sexual abuse imagery.
	So they will de-platform conservatives before pedos, as they're called in the UK. Boy.
	Tells you a lot about the modern world, doesn't it?
	In ways that are just absolutely appalling.
	Yeah, some do want to make incest and pedophilia a sexual preference.
	Yeah, it's unholy.
	I mean, it's absolutely unholy.
	And let us never ever hear again a pushback on slippery slope arguments.
	So Freud had a problem.
	He'd already talked about the childhood sexual abuse.
	But he didn't want to lose his license.
	He didn't want to be...
	Whatever they threatened him with, we probably don't know, right?
	So it's not like they would have written it down, but it was a lot.
	So what Freud did was he betrayed the children.
	Right?
	He betrayed the children.
	Something I said... I would never do.
	Never, ever do.
	So he betrayed the children.
	So what he did was he said, oh, the girls who complained about being raped by their fathers, you know what?
	I bet you it really didn't happen.
	I bet you they just wanted it, and I'm going to call that the Oedipus Complex.
	And the little boys who complained about being molested by their mothers said, It didn't really happen.
	I don't believe them.
	But they report it, so it must be that they want it, and I'll call that the electric complex.
	I mean, you understand this, right?
	I mean, can you imagine saying something that monstrous to any adult woman?
	Who has vivid, strong memories of being raped by a particular man.
	And you say to her, well, you just must want him as a boyfriend.
	And that's why you fantasize these things.
	You just want it, but it didn't really happen.
	Oh my God. Absolutely appalling.
	Absolutely appalling. Absolutely appalling.
	And I think that this betrayal of children, and I go into it in more detail elsewhere, I won't go through all the steps here, but I think it did significantly lead to World War I. Because all the kids are out there saying, will you stand with us?
	Will you stand with us? Will you stand with us?
	Just as I, as a kid, wanted someone to stand the hell up against child abuse.
	All the kids are, ah, will you stand with us?
	Will you stand with us? And if they get betrayed, they get really angry.
	And they're right to. They're right to.
	I'll never do it. I'll never do it.
	So, the Oedipal Complex, the Electra Complex, all of this came out of Freud's massive backtracking on the issue of childhood sexual abuse.
	It was an unbelievable betrayal.
	And worse than if he'd never done anything, an unbelievable betrayal of the young of the world.
	are the victims of the world, the greatest victims in the world, are the victims of sexual abuse when they're children.
	So, no, I won't do it.
	Thank you.
	Not going to happen.
	Not going to happen. So, will I do any more videos on psychiatry and mental illness?
	You had one. You had a long one years ago.
	I've done a whole bunch of videos on psychiatry and mental illness, so you can look at those.
	Robert Whitaker I interviewed.
	I did The Myth of Mental Illness.
	I did A Theory of Mental Health, Parts 1, 2, and 3.
	a whole bunch of stuff on that.
	So, yeah, and I'm sorry, I I'm sorry. I'm sorry for all of this.
	I'm sorry for all of this.
	And Freud was not particularly big in his day.
	Freud became much more famous as did Nietzsche after the First World War because there were men who...
	The shell shock, right, is the idea that, well, we have a brave guy.
	He's clearly brave, but he can't function after he's been in war for a certain amount of time.
	And they thought, well, maybe the shell shock, like the explosion damaged his brain or something like that.
	And it was all, of course, PTSD. They were starting to grow up their way towards that and all that, right?
	Stefan, would you ever be a farmer?
	Why or why not, in ideal circumstances?
	So I'm a little too old for really hard physical labor.
	Like, I'm sorry, I'm just getting a little creaky.
	I'm just getting a little creaky, so I don't imagine.
	They only teach the second half of the Freud story in school.
	Useless info. Yes.
	Well, of course, I think a lot of people felt that because Freud worked in largely Jewish circles that it would look bad for Judaism.
	I don't know. I have no idea.
	Ever wanted to do a show on the science of consciousness, emergent intelligence, etc.?
	Not particularly. Listen to your anarchy books five times this week.
	I think I have a thing for bald philosophers coming on.
	Well, hopefully reason and evidence.
	Yeah, hey, if you want to be a farmer, it's certainly an honorable occupation.
	All right. Just hit me with a Y if you want me to open up a voice chat, which I'd be happy to do.
	I can certainly answer questions in the chat.
	And please, again, accept my deepest sympathies for what...
	What you experience as children.
	I'm just absolutely appalling.
	Absolutely. There's nothing that makes me more angry than that.
	So I won't do all of this.
	But yeah, okay. We've got some people who want to do that.
	Just be ready to do it because the one thing that's kind of annoying, not you, but just the technology, one thing that's kind of annoying is I'm just sitting there waiting for people to come in and unmute and jump in and detail out and all of that kind of stuff.
	Just... Get to it, baby.
	And yeah, thanks again for dropping by tonight.
	It's a great pleasure. All right, let me just get this going here.
	All right, what have we got here?
	Audio. Me.
	Continue. Start.
	Do something.
	All right.
	Let me just get the invite link here going out to everyone.
	It is in Telegram.
	It's in Telegram.
	Thank you.
	And there should be a way to record this just to back up.
	Gonna move on up to the waterfront.
	That's right. I'm just going to keep singing till people come in.
	There we go. Ten years ago today, Satoshi Nakamoto disappeared.
	Isn't that wild? I don't think he's dead.
	I don't think he's out there that he's dead.
	I don't think he's dead. I think he's most likely somebody who's mildly autistic and who had the wisdom of getting out of the public eye while creating the greatest technological advance in the history of the world and the one key that can free us from the endless tax slavery and debt slavery of central banking.
	So just wanted to point that out.
	All right. What do we got here?
	Thanks for all that you do.
	You're very welcome. Thank you very much.
	I appreciate you saying that.
	Let me just put this one other place, my babies.
	And then we will chat.
	I think I have my audio set up if you want to just yell up and bark out.
	I'm happy to hear. So just be aware of that.
	Gonna move on up to the waterfront.
	Simple Minds was a great band back in the day, man.
	Just wanted to point that out.
	I should do a whole show just on music.
	I am such a music nerd.
	It's just absolutely mad.
	Absolutely mad. I could blow your mind with the obscure music knowledge that I have.
	Absolutely. One of my ears got a little bit fried from radiation therapy, so it's a bit of a drag that way, but it's a beautiful, beautiful thing.
	All right. I hear rustling.
	Satoshi might be Alan Greenspan.
	I would be really surprised.
	I would be really, really, really surprised if it was Alan Greenspan, who I don't even believe was a coder.
	Yes, how you doing, brother? Yeah, I can't really hear you, man.
	This is the part of technology I just really dislike.
	Nothing to do with you, just technology as a whole.
	So I'm happy to hear.
	All right. So, I'm sorry, I'm going to just have to mute you here because I can't hear you.
	So, yeah, so I listened to Side 3 of The Wall just about every night when I was in my mid-teens.
	I was introduced to the album, You!
	Yes, you! Stand still, laddie!
	It's a great album, my God.
	But by a cousin of mine, I was actually in South Africa in my mid-teens.
	Mama loves her baby and daddy loves you too.
	Beautiful, beautiful stuff.
	Not the greatest vocalist. Roger Waters, by his own admission too, not the greatest instrumentalist.
	Nothing like David Gilmour on guitar or even Nick Mason on drums.
	But an incredible album.
	And The Wall, just so you understand it, is...
	So Roger Waters' father was an avowed and committed communist.
	Who then changed his mind about communism, volunteered for the war, and died shortly thereafter.
	So you do have to understand that communists will instill a horror of the Second World War and a horror of the Vietnam War.
	In particular because the Second World War to some degree because communism didn't win.
	It was certainly aiming to. The Vietnam War, of course, and the Korean War.
	Think of MASH and all of the anti-Vietnam War movies and so on or anti-war movies centered on Vietnam.
	So communists will always try and instill in you a horror of wars where either communists lose or they don't win everything they want.
	And they'll give you anti-war and associate anti-war with any war involving communists, which is why, of course, You will hear about the horrors of the war in Russia, the Stalingrad.
	You will hear about...
	Oh, am I? Oh, I was muted.
	Sorry, people could only hear me on the stream.
	Sorry, I'm just finishing up here. So the wall comes out of a communist father who changed his mind and ended up fighting in the war, Second World War.
	And so Roger Waters wants to instill in people a horror of the Second World War.
	And the horror of the Second World War has to do with the fact that the communists didn't get everything they wanted out of the Second World War.
	And of course, one of the horrors of national socialism and Hitlerism that comes out of the communist media is because he invaded Russia and killed a bunch of communists.
	And so there is this horror of the Second World War that comes out of communism.
	Also, of course, I mentioned horror of the Vietnamese War, a horror of the Korean War and all of the wars wherein communism is opposed.
	And so it's kind of an anti-war album, but I think it specifically comes out of the horrors of the war that because his father was a communist and his mother obviously married a communist and all of that.
	So there is that aspect to as well.
	And yeah, one day we'll probably dive into the wall and its meanings because it's a very, very powerful piece of music, an amazing piece of music and amazing work as a whole.
	And You know, so what happens in general in the war is a guy loses his father.
	He becomes the husband's son, right?
	The mother gloms onto him as they often do when it's a single mother, single son event.
	She'll glom onto the child.
	He grows up kind of claustrophobic.
	He has this terrifying fear of women because his mother married a communist.
	You know, if your mother married a Nazi, you'd probably have some fear of women as well because of all of those things.
	He's tempted by fascism.
	And dreams about fascism.
	Now, why does Roger Waters have dreams about fascism?
	Because fascism arose as a response to communism, right?
	Fascism arose as a response to communism.
	And in Germany, as I've mentioned before, the communists and the fascists were referred to as beefcakes, right?
	So the brown shirts were the Nazis, but they were called beefsteaks because they were brown on the outside, but red on the inside.
	As you probably know, Mussolini, Benito Mussolini, the famous fascist leader in Germany, started out as a straight-up Marxist.
	And Hitler was a big fan of socialism in many ways.
	So fascism arose out of a terror of communism and the predations communism was inflicting upon the...
	Members of Russia, the Russian citizens, and in particular, the Holodomor, which is where millions upon millions of kulaks, largely Christians, were starved to death by the communists.
	And this was really, really terrifying, of course, as I've sort of mentioned before.
	And so here you have Roger Waters.
	Son of a communist, son of a woman who married and I suppose loved a communist, who dreams of fascism.
	Now, he downgrades fascism and fascism is a brutal collectivist authoritarian doctrine and did, you know, precious little to free the world from totalitarianism, to put it mildly.
	But it is kind of the blowback reaction to international communism.
	National socialism being a sort of response to international socialism is not really, to me, much of an opposition.
	But, of course, he's going to dream about fascism as a pushback on communism.
	And he's also going to downgrade and give people an emotional horror of a war wherein a lot of communists died and communists didn't get everything they wanted.
	And so, unfortunately, there's, you know, this typical stuff that goes on in amongst all of the lyrical and musical brilliance.
	But I thought it was quite interesting that he ended up doing the show wherein he is...
	Standing on the wall as communism comes down in East Berlin and West Berlin.
	So, yeah, it's an amazing album and I did listen to it quite obsessively.
	I really like that song.
	I got a little black book with my poems in.
	Got a bag, got a toothbrush and a comb in.
	But I'm a good dog, they sometimes throw me a bony.
	That's a great song. Nobody can do that ooh except Roger Waters.
	What are your thoughts on it?
	Sorry that you couldn't hear me before.
	Yeah, what are my thoughts on it?
	Well, there's a lot of mother issues in the album, and I started listening to it at an interesting time in my life when it had just essentially been taken from my mother.
	What do you mean? Well, there was a custody battle, and...
	Long story short, my dad had moved across the country and then suddenly moved back to pretty much the same neighborhood, about 30 seconds away from my mom, my stepdad, my sisters, and I. And then it caused all this tension.
	And then my mom and stepdad decided to move into the interior, let's say like a six-hour drive away.
	And and then us children sort of like one by one kind of rebelled and we didn't want to go.
	And then I was sort of the last one.
	And then I was I was told that I was going to go out for dinner with them.
	And then instead it was the lawyers like serving them papers.
	And then so after that, it was just suddenly I was with my dad and his girlfriend and my sisters.
	And it was this big split in my life.
	And it was like after that that I discovered Pink Floyd and I discovered that album.
	and I just really zoned in on the first half.
	So it was side one and two. And which were your favorite songs from those?
	I got a bit burned out on another brick in the wall part two, but which were your favorite songs on there?
	Well, Another Brick in the Wall, part two, is the one that really drew me in.
	And my sister put the headphones on me.
	I just never heard music like that.
	I'm a musician now and everything, so it really expanded my whole musical universe just hearing it, on headphones especially.
	But I also hated school, so I really did feel that one.
	I don't know. I've got to say, even the whole thing and then the way that it leads to this really depressing end...
	Wait, end of side one or end of the album as a whole?
	The end of side one.
	It's just a really depressing end to it.
	All right. So what song starts like this?
	Are you ready? Are you ready?
	Yeah. Yeah. Young Lust?
	No, that's...
	Mother, do you think they'll drop the bomb?
	Right, that one. Yes, yes, I know.
	Yeah, it's a complicated song. And then, you know, well, I don't know if you believe in synchronicity, but there was a time a little bit later, a couple of years later, when I was 14, I was listening to that song, Mother, and then I had, sorry, that's my phone going off.
	And then I was thinking about our relationship.
	We had become pretty much estranged by then.
	And then she called me up on the phone right then.
	And then she just asked if I wanted to continue having a relationship with her.
	Just like at that very moment, I was listening to the song and thinking about it.
	It was kind of crazy.
	But I don't know if I really like that song that much.
	But really, I do like it.
	But I wouldn't say I zoned into it at that time.
	Um, yeah, was it, uh, Sinedo Kano did, uh, did that song, uh, at that point.
	But, um, so I have a minor story about the song, the song mother.
	All right. I'm not going to go through all of the lyrics.
	Um, but it's basically a guy who doesn't know how to live.
	Who's asking his mother about everything.
	Right. So it's like, uh, Mother, do you think they'll drop the bomb?
	Mother, do you think they'll like this song?
	Mother, do you think they'll try to break my balls?
	Ooh, Mother, should I build the wall?
	Mother, should I run for president?
	Mother, should I trust the government? And I remember seeing Roger Waters doing that song live where he gave this look like, Mother, should I trust the government?
	Like, what are you, crazy trusting the government?
	And... So Roger Waters and David Gilmour had this total sibling punch-up relationship.
	And they just fought about everything, from the drum mix to Comfortably Numb to just every conceivable thing.
	And one of the reasons was that Roger Waters viewed David Gilmour as a vocalist and instrumentalist.
	And he said, you know, finding people to play guitar is pretty easy.
	Finding people to sing a song is pretty easy.
	Even though David Gilmour is a terrifyingly good guitarist, like one of the best that can be conceived of.
	You know, people are like, oh, Eric Clapton is like, yeah, okay, he's got some good licks and all of that.
	But for me, it's Mark Lopfler and Roger Waters.
	But anyway, it's a topic for another time.
	So David Gilmour, of course, didn't feel respected.
	Because Roger Waters is like, and the final Pink Floyd album, the final cut, it was literally like, it's a Roger Waters album performed by Pink Floyd.
	Although, of course, much like Queen and the solo albums and so on, Roger Waters never did as well.
	After, you know, Fear of Hitchhiking, blah, blah, blah, all of that stuff that went forward, he kind of gave up on that.
	But, so David Gilmour sings the chorus.
	Hush now, baby, baby, don't you cry.
	Mama's gonna make all of your nightmares come true.
	Mama's gonna put all of her fears into you.
	Mama's gonna keep you right under her wing.
	She won't let you fly, but she might let you sing.
	Mama's gonna keep baby cozy and warm.
	Anyway, so a friend of mine used to, he's a good cartoonist, did a lot of art, and he would do cartoons about everything we did, whether we were playing Dungeons& Dragons or other things.
	And in one of the backs of the, because he knew that I used to listen to Pink Floyd at the wall a lot, and so we were playing Dungeons& Dragons, and in the background was the little music notes and that line, Mama's gonna make all of your nightmares come true.
	And God help us, my mother found that little cartoon that he drew in my room.
	And she saw this, Mama's Gonna Make All of Your Nightmares Come True.
	And she, of course, completely hit the roof and freaked out.
	And if you want to see what that looks like, you can look at Hillbilly Elegy when the son says something true about the mother in the car.
	And she drives like she's...
	Well, she actually says she could just kill us both and all that.
	Oh. And... So I had to sort of sit there and pull out the album and hear the lyrics.
	And this is, you know, it's just an album.
	I like the song. It's not the lyrics of it.
	Of course it was actually, you know, and it goes from mother to mama because it's regressing over time.
	And yeah, just this is a mother who smothered, right?
	This is a mother who overrode the decisions of the children of the child of the son because of her own anxieties.
	And so he ends up dependent upon her judgment because she's never allowed him to become independent.
	And so the presence of femininity erases him as a human being.
	So the presence of femininity erases him as a human being.
	And this is why he can't talk to his wife.
	So he has the sexual lust.
	Young Lust is a very great song in there.
	And then, of course, he's got the terrible danger, the fascist hostility of sex.
	Because you have this song, Gosh, I don't even remember what it's called, but it's something...
	It starts off the one where she says, Wow, this bedroom's as big as our whole apartment.
	You want to take a bath? This groupie comes in, right?
	Because he's got lust. He's got lust.
	I want a dirty woman. I want a dirty girl.
	He's got lust for this woman.
	But at the same time, women are racing.
	And lust is not an identity-based thing.
	If it's just generic lust for sex, it's not about you as a man.
	It's just about your genes trying to reproduce.
	And so... Lust erases him, and being in the presence of a woman erases him because his mother never encouraged his individuality.
	In fact, she... And this is why he's like, Mother, do you think she's good enough for me?
	Do you think she's dangerous to me?
	Will she tear your little boy apart?
	Will she break my heart? He can't make any decisions.
	He can't make any decisions.
	And then the wall is his mother to some degree, right?
	Because he says, mother, did it need to be so high?
	In other words, should the wall being so high?
	So he can't communicate to women.
	There's these Bob Geldof who basically acts throughout the movie like he's just about to throw up all the time.
	That's this big acting thing. But Bob Geldof, when women are trying to talk to him, he just completely numbs out.
	He gaps out. He vagues out.
	And he takes a lot of drugs and so on.
	And it's really just wildly overprotective to the point where the boy can't make any decisions.
	And then because the presence of femininity erases his personality, he wants to be with women because of his lust, which also erases his personality.
	But then when he's with a woman, he can't have any interactions with her because then he'll just vanish.
	And so, yeah, it's really, it's a very, very powerful song.
	But yeah, I do remember that song.
	What happened to my mom when she found the lyrics of a friend of mine who unwisely, although obviously not with any malicious intent, happened to put them on a little cartoon he did of our stuff, right?
	What else grabs you about the album?
	Well, another thing in the movie, there's this motif of the hanging phone, of just like the feeling of disconnection.
	And then, so with that, you know, moving around a lot, went to five different high schools, just always feeling disconnected and not quite feeling like I belong in any given place.
	And then also just as you were saying that about the character Pink in the movie and the wall, it's just one thing that's sort of independently of each other.
	Women in my life or even just people in general in my life have said is that I'm guarded, you know, a wall, you know, guarded and disconnected.
	Yeah, because femininity, I would assume, feels like it's self-erasing for you.
	Hmm. I don't really know how to process that self-erasing.
	So here's the question, right?
	This is a big question for men.
	It's one of the most fundamental questions for men.
	What happens when you strongly disagree with a woman?
	It's a big, big question.
	If you answer that question, you have a happy life.
	If you can't answer that question, you won't.
	You'll have a very dangerous life.
	What happens?
	Guys, you throw this in the chat, man.
	Let's mix it in or jump in if you want.
	What happens when In the situation where you strongly disagree with a woman, and you on the line, you!
	Yes, you! Stand still, let it!
	What happens when you strongly disagree with a woman in your life?
	Well, I've been good at being assertive and stating my case and using facts and perhaps being even a little bit cold and harsh.
	Okay, so tell me the last disagreement that you had.
	with a woman and how it went?
	Well, you know, actually, I don't know if it's the last one, but just one that's kind of been on my mind.
	So my fiancee...
	So I personally don't think that you should force a child or anybody into like a sleep schedule that they don't want, right?
	But my fiancee thinks, you know, She interpreted that as, oh, well, you think that parenting should just be a big free-for-all, and they should just be able to do whatever they want, which I never really said.
	And I think I stated my case pretty well, but then we sort of left it, and it hasn't really been resolved, because it sort of came up again.
	So I stated my case, and then I suppose...
	She wasn't convinced or else, in her mind, she still thinks that I meant that parenting should just be a free-for-all and the kids should be in charge.
	What do you think it means when you say you don't want to force a child into a sleep schedule?
	What do I think it means? What does it mean to you?
	How are you forcing a child?
	Like, functionally, that would mean, like, yelling at them and getting mad at them if you want them to go to bed, and they're up to high, and you just said an arbitrary bedtime.
	Wait, sorry, do you mean children or babies?
	I mean children, yeah.
	So I don't know much about how babies work.
	Right. They don't exactly work, but I don't know what you mean.
	It's like some sort of car.
	I don't know how trans-ams or human infants work.
	I do know that I'm definitely not a morning person, and so I was forced to go to school in the morning, and it didn't work for me, and I think that I was...
	Maybe perceived as being less intelligent than I was just because...
	Oh, yeah. The zombie death march of night people into morning schools is absolutely brutal and probably takes at least 10 to 15 IQ, probably at least a standard deviation of your performance in school to go in tired.
	It's absolutely wretched. And I was in the swim team and water polo team.
	We had morning practice.
	It was pretty brutal. If you have a...
	I remember I had some...
	I had a physics test the next day, and my mom is in my room, smoking like a chimney, whacking away on her stupid electric typewriter, keeping me up all night, and it's like, oh, it just wrecks you.
	I mean, sleep deprivation is a form of torture.
	And if you've got those really manic moms just up doing stuff all night...
	But here's the thing. So let's say you're a parent.
	Are you going to be a parent soon, or is it...?
	That's on the schedule, but just...
	Full disclosure, I do have kind of like an estranged daughter who's about 20 or is 20 now, so there's that.
	Wow, okay. So listen, if your toddler doesn't want to go to bed, you know you've got to stay up, right?
	Yeah. So why does the toddler get to dominate you in that sense?
	I mean, is that really healthy for the toddler to say, well, everyone should just adjust to me?
	Whatever I want, there's no negotiation.
	There's no back and forth.
	Now, of course, when they're a baby, you have to adjust to the baby, right?
	You don't expect the baby to adjust to you.
	But at some point, certainly by the time they're a year and a half or so, you do have to start negotiating because otherwise, if you just say, well, we'll just do whatever the kid wants.
	Oh, the kid doesn't want to go there, but we'll all just stay up, right?
	Well, that's not... I don't think that's particularly healthy for the child to pretend that you don't have any needs.
	I see what you mean. So I guess when we were discussing it, I never mentioned that.
	But, you know, I would like to encourage them to go to bed.
	But I've seen, for example, the way that my sister's parents and it's always all these confrontations and yelling and stuff.
	So I don't want any of that.
	But I mean, that's I mean, I understand that for sure.
	But that's, you know, you kind of have the same false dichotomy.
	As your girlfriend does, right?
	Maybe this is why you're compatible.
	So she's like, well, you know, if the kids can stay up, it means that we'll never have any rules as parents and the kids can do whatever they want.
	They can juggle with flaming axes.
	So she's got this false dichotomy and you have this false dichotomy like either the kid just stays up until whenever the heck they want or you scream at them, right?
	I mean, neither of those are...
	or productive positions, right?
	And so when you have a false dichotomy, you're being lured into extremism that is not valid, right?
	So you can't pretend you don't have any needs as a parent because you're not raising a child who can negotiate.
	Then the child's going to grow up selfish.
	If you abandon all of your needs and all of your preferences and just say, well, you know, whatever my kid wants, that's just what we're going to do.
	How the hell are they going to be an adult who has relationships where they figure out other people's needs and work to negotiate and find happiness in other people's happiness and all that kind of stuff, right?
	Yeah. You have to be real to your parents.
	You have to be real to your parents.
	You have to be real to your kids.
	And that just means you negotiate.
	And because I'm going to tell you where your fiancé is coming from, the place which is – is she a morning person?
	Definitely more so than I, yeah.
	Right, so as a morning person, she is as terrified of people staying up late as you are of getting up early.
	Because if she has to get up early, in other words, if you and the kid are up till 1 or 2 o'clock in the morning, she's not going to be able to get much sleep, and then maybe she gets up at 6 or 7 in the morning, so you're giving her, hey, you want 15 or 20 years of sleep deprivation?
	Would that be nice for you?
	I mean, what if somebody said to you, well, you have to get up at 7 o'clock every morning no matter what, right?
	You'd be like, oh, God, I don't want that.
	I had that when I was a kid. That was terrible, right?
	Right. So, you know, she's not reacting, I think, in the most mature way, but that's, you know, whatever, right?
	But she's coming from the place, oh, my God, I mean, I can't function, right?
	Because here's the thing, too. Like, if you're a parent and you're not getting enough sleep, you're not able to be a good parent.
	Like, you need to get...
	Now, again, the baby's the baby.
	They breastfeed. They're up a couple of times a night, and that's, unfortunately, it's just a woman's job because she's got the feedbacks and we don't, right?
	But certainly, you know, four to six months in, I mean, certainly for myself, my God, I mean, just couldn't, could barely function.
	It was not safe to drive.
	You know, sleep deprivation, not safe to drive and to avoid driving because you're just so tired.
	And that's not good. You don't want to be Again, that's how they break – that's what they did to Noriega in Panama, right?
	Mr. Pineapple Face, they played this really loud music so he couldn't get any sleep.
	That's how they broke him down. That's how you destroy people, is sleep deprivation.
	And you remember that from when you were a kid in school, and I remember that too.
	And teenagers should not be going to school early in the morning because most of them are sleeping in because they're growing their brains and their bodies.
	Yeah, sleep deprivation is one of the worst things in life.
	If you ever feel tempted, if you're a woman or maybe a man, I guess, if you ever feel tempted to envy someone like Paris Hilton, go watch her documentary and she talks about chronic insomnia and PTSD from her abuse as a teenager, her unbelievable levels of abuse.
	She was literally kidnapped in the middle of the night from her home and with the permission of her parents, And then taken to an unbelievably brutal rehab place where she was isolated and tortured and beaten.
	And she still has PTSD dreams like 20 years later.
	So yeah, she's got a huge amount of money.
	She's pretty. She's famous, not a bad singer, and is a complete basket case due to sleep deprivation.
	And that's Hell on earth, right?
	So yeah, just so for you, you got a conversation with your girlfriend and you're like, we're going to bed late.
	It's like, that's not a negotiation.
	The kid can do whatever the kid wants.
	That's not a negotiation, right?
	The opposite of authoritarian parenting isn't hyper-permissive parenting because with authoritative parenting or authoritarian parenting, The parent's will exist and the child's will is erased.
	But you don't want to go to the opposite extreme where the child's will exists and then the parent's will is erased.
	You understand, that's just two sides of the same coin and you're probably going to end up raising a kid who's going to be brutal to his or her own children because they're not trained to recognize other people's needs.
	Negotiating needs is really, really important.
	And so in this particular instance, you have a perspective, your girlfriend has a perspective, and The conversation gets erased, which means the personalities are getting erased.
	So that's my particular guess.
	So let me ask this as a whole.
	Let me ask this as a whole.
	What has happened with you guys when you have a significant disagreement with a woman, if you're a man?
	Yeah, people give their kids melatonin.
	Yeah, that's not good.
	Isn't that a hormone, right? That's not good at all.
	That's really not good. That is not good.
	Yeah, go ahead. Because then the body doesn't produce it anymore.
	Yeah, it does kick your body out of producing it, right?
	Yeah. Bad.
	Bad. Bad.
	And, you know, the other thing too, I mean, I've said this before, but we did sleep train my daughter because healthy sleep habits, happy child or something like that.
	If you don't sleep train your kids, if they don't learn how to sleep through the night when they're young, they will literally have continued sleep disturbances into their 20s and probably for that's just how long they studied it, probably for the rest of their lives.
	Do not do that. Is Tune Pool really bald?
	Yeah, I assume so, right? I mean, it's not like the Edge, the guitarist for U2, like he's got a great head of hair, which is why you can never find him without one of the Tune Pool beanie caps on, right?
	Can you elaborate on your perspective on MMA? I saw your Facebook post critiquing the audience salivating over Chris Weidman leg break.
	Let me know what I can get in.
	Sorry, go ahead. Oh, hey, how's it going, Steph?
	It's Jesse. Hey Jesse, how you doing?
	I'm good, man. This is a great show.
	Great topic. I really wanted to talk about mothers and maybe some of the sexual abuse they put onto their kids without actually touching them.
	Yes, that's a very good topic.
	I'm all ears. Go for it. Well, I was, uh, I was just in a relationship with, uh, with a single mother, which is, like, first mistake for a person without any kids.
	Uh, it's my first experience with working, uh, dealing with a kid, you know what I mean?
	Like, in that kind of capacity and that kind of, like, intimacy.
	And, uh, His mother, there was a lot of instances, but you could see that she was trying to, I don't know, all the things that went wrong with the other guy, she's trying to put that in the kid.
	Wait, I'm not sure what you mean.
	Can you clarify that a bit? It seems like she's angry at her ex and all of his failures.
	She's trying to correct them within her kid.
	Does that make sense? Right.
	A lot of parents will do that, too.
	Like, if you had a particular ambition and you didn't fulfill upon it, then you will, you know, this is the typical stage mom thing.
	Like, oh, I wanted to be an actress.
	I never quite fulfilled on it. So you go be an actor for me and all that, right?
	Yeah. Yeah, something like that.
	But more like...
	Maybe this is a big generalization, but it seems like women will...
	They seem extremely desperate to assume control by whatever means they have available to them.
	Is that right? Well, okay, so look, women are much more prone to anxiety.
	And there's nothing wrong with that because toddlers are death magnets, right?
	I mean, everything will kill a toddler.
	And so you've constantly got to be anxious about how they're doing.
	Women traditionally will take care of the sick.
	And so they're much more concerned about hand washing and masking and all of this kind of stuff.
	And you can see women just completely freaking out.
	Over fears of COVID, right?
	Because, you know, originally it's COVID. Now, of course, it's CO2. Something in the air is going to kill you and you've got to be terrified of.
	So women have higher levels of anxiety.
	And so women as a whole, and you've got to love them for it.
	I mean, you don't have to, but it's going to be there whether you like it or not.
	And I choose to love and treasure women for their high levels of anxiety because that's why we're all alive.
	If, you know, I talked about this many years ago, but when I was chief technical officer of my programming team and I, we'd spend a lot of time off-site working sometimes on the next version of the software.
	And once we were just talking about how it would be a pretty funny documentary, pretend documentary, raised by bachelors, you know, like what it would be like for kids, like talking about, oh, yeah, yeah, when I was a kid.
	My dad used to just put bouncy fabric softener pads into my armpits so that I would smell better.
	I didn't really get laundry done, but sometimes he would spray air freshener on me before I went to school.
	Just sort of funny stuff like that.
	If men ran early childhood, none of us would be here.
	You know, men are great for like the latency period, sort of eight onwards, great for the teenage years, but you really desperately need women's You know, hypervigilance and, quote, paranoia, which is not paranoia, because kids, like, toddlers are death magnets.
	And you just, you know, women are the ones childproofing the house, and women are the ones making sure everything's clean, and women are making sure, like, you know, I'm about to eat some yogurt.
	And my wife was like, did you check the expiry date?
	I'm like, oh.
	Thank you for saving my life today.
	And so it's very good.
	So when women want to control their environment, it's because their anxiety is attuned to dangers in their environment.
	Now, this is very easily manipulated by the media, right?
	Which is why the media just is this endless conveyor belt of fear porn, which has a lot of men roll their eyes and a lot of women like, oh, Drama and all of this, which is why a lot of people love the pandemic because they were anxious about the world, but now they have something to focus on other than their own lives and their society going through the shitter.
	So, um, yeah, so yeah, there is a lot of control elements in women and you've got to respect and love that where it's appropriate and you've got to push back against that stuff where it's not appropriate, right?
	Everybody knows if you're a parent and you've got, you know, you've got a dad and a mom.
	That, you know, the kid wants to jump off the wall and the dad's like, go for it, you know, safety first, but if you think you can do it, right?
	And the mom is like, I can't watch, right?
	I mean, this is pretty typical stuff.
	And both perspectives are really important, right?
	You don't want the kid jumping off a high wall when they're two, but you also don't want to hold them off jumping off a wall when they're five.
	Because, you know, if you control the children too much, you end up with, you know, the Roger Waters song we talked about before.
	You end up with...
	If children aren't allowed to manage risk by taking risk, then you end up with a society full of people who simply can't fucking analyze risk at all.
	They cannot analyze risk because they've just been bubble wrapped and shrink wrapped and helicopter parented and kept off the high bars and...
	Not allowed to run with scissors and so on.
	And you have an entire society of people who can't fucking manage risk or perceive risk or understand risk at all.
	And that's where you get lockdowns from.
	Yeah. She doesn't really...
	It seems like...
	She's putting her identity into him.
	Like, it seems like he's become, like, when I see them interact, I see two of them talking, like, the same person talking to each other.
	When I see his eruptions, like, he has a lot of temper.
	Because he's from a broken home, so he's got a lot of emotional problems.
	Like, it's a pretty messed up situation back there.
	So he's got a lot of emotional problems.
	But when they interact, it's like the same people talking to each other.
	You know what I'm saying? Like, how do we prevent Women from installing their identities in men.
	Because if you look at men today, they're extremely emotional.
	They can't carry a conversation.
	They can't be assertive.
	They're scared of women.
	They want to find one person.
	They just stick with that. I'm a little lost on this.
	As soon as this behavior acts up, I'm done.
	I don't know how men put up with this.
	Like, what are we going to do?
	What is the future of our society if everybody turns to my way of thinking and just says, you know, like, you can't be helped.
	This is, you know, what do we do at that point?
	I'm not sure what you mean by what do we do.
	Well, I mean, we're not going to have much of a society if men can't tolerate women.
	And eventually, more and more men are coming to this way of thinking that it's our fault that women are so...
	Sorry, why is it your fault?
	I don't understand. Is it my fault?
	Is it your fault? Whose fault is it?
	Yeah, it's all our fault.
	Men didn't really stand up to women.
	Men allowed them to have all this power and control.
	Did you allow that?
	I don't remember allowing any of that.
	I'm not sure I understand. Throughout my, I would say, yeah, I would never, I have never said I'm a female feminist.
	Jesus, how about you fucking stop taking unearned guilt, for one.
	I don't feel bad about it, but I do recognize that.
	Wait, hang on. You're saying we gave women all this power.
	We don't stand up to women.
	I didn't give them any power.
	You didn't give them any power.
	I mean, there's a political system.
	There's a logic of democracy, but I don't know how you spreading unearned guilt to men is going to strengthen up men.
	Maybe I'm missing something here. Yeah, maybe.
	I'm just saying that if nobody tells the truth, if we don't tell women the truth, of course, it's going to get worse.
	You know what I mean? Like, placating an angry child, it's sort of the same thing.
	You're just going to get more of the bad behavior later.
	It's the same with women because, as you said, they're very anxious and emotional.
	So the more we placate, the more we...
	I don't know what the word is.
	Yeah. So, I mean, as far as what do we do, well, don't placate women.
	Treat them as adults. Yeah.
	Right? Just listen to women and say, I want to be treated as an adult.
	I want you to respect me. It's like, okay, well, then I'm not going to treat you like a child.
	I'm not going to indulge you like a child.
	I'm not going to... No, that's like...
	Here's a funny story, right?
	And it's not even a story. It's a fact, at least according to...
	Megan Kelly, some years ago, wrote a book, Settle for More or something like that.
	Then in it, she meets this guy.
	She's set up on a blind date.
	And she's got a stalker.
	So, I mean, she's like a stalker who's so bad that...
	And she had a bunch of stalkers, I think.
	But this one was so bad that she needed, like, round-the-clock, two armed guards security.
	I mean, it's a pretty horrible existence for an attractive woman In the mainstream, in many ways.
	Jodie Foster had had one.
	I mean, it's just, it's a really huge issue and the law is total bullshit when it comes to dealing with stalkers.
	To me, if you say, I know where you live and I'm going to make you pay, it's like, you go to jail.
	Like, as soon as you, like, as soon as you threaten people in their home, even tangentially, like, you go to jail.
	I mean, that's, to me, it's just real simple that way because just don't do that shit, right?
	Because you're really invading people's spaces, particularly women.
	Anyway, so she met this guy and she got him vetted and all of that because she's terrified of the stalkers.
	And she goes out for dinner with the guy and there is, and she, you know, she's a high-powered lawyer.
	She's, you know, she's a high-testosterone woman.
	She's got, like, the jawline of the gods and this sort of blonde Valkyrie thing and all of that.
	And she's, you know, very intelligent and a very skilled lawyer and, you know, she's very hardworking and all of that.
	And I think she's got, like, three kids right now.
	So, you know, she's done some pretty good things with her life as far as I can tell.
	Anyway, so this very high-powered, very alpha female, this guy, she's at dinner with him.
	And, you know, have you ever seen these people that come by and it's like, you know, $5, would the lady like a rose?
	And you give them five bucks, they give the rose to the lady, right?
	And so she says, he's like, you're going to get a rose.
	And she's like, no, no, no, that's so cheesy.
	Oh, no, don't do that.
	Come on. I don't want a rose.
	It's like, no, you're going to get a rose.
	And she's like, oh, no, no, no.
	It's embarrassing. It's $5.
	It doesn't mean anything. She's like, you're going to get a rose.
	He buys the rose and he gives her the rose.
	And do you know what she says about that?
	Tell me. I loved him for that.
	Yeah. I loved him for that.
	And they ended up getting married and having kids.
	Probably not just because of that.
	But, you know, the shit test.
	We all know this kind of stuff, right?
	So just treat women.
	So I don't know about this collective male guilt for letting women blah, blah, blah.
	None of that happened. I think we need to tell them the truth, man.
	I think we put up with a lot.
	I think we... Of course you, yeah, but you can't tell women collectively the truth.
	This is why I'm concerned when you say, what should we do?
	Like, it's some collective thing.
	In your own individual life, I don't lie to people.
	I don't lie to people. I just don't do it.
	And so I tell people the truth.
	And then the people who want to stick around the truth as I see it, they stick around.
	And the people who don't, they don't, right?
	So if you go on a date with a woman, you tell her the truth.
	And if you don't want to tell the truth, then don't be shocked when the relationship goes badly.
	Okay. No, of course, yeah.
	And don't take any collective guilt for the state of masculinity and femininity in the West.
	It's like you would be taking guilt for the demographic change.
	It's like all this stuff was put in place.
	What is it? The Hart-Seller Act was 1967.
	I was one and I was in England.
	Okay, so excuse me if I don't take on the mantle of demographic change in the West.
	I mean, we're all just trying to surf these rapids.
	We didn't create the gravity, the water, the surf, the tide, the moon, or anything like that.
	So just really, really careful about handing out this collective responsibility stuff.
	It's just going to weaken people.
	I'm not saying that. I'm just saying we need to take personal attention.
	No, you kind of did.
	To be honest, don't get right up on me, man.
	You kind of did. I think all of us need to do that.
	Okay, well, let me ask a question.
	Is this a fair question?
	Just tell me if this is a fair question.
	Do you think all men individually should stand up for what's right?
	I don't even know. How on earth am I going to pass that sentence?
	Because if I say yes, well, hang on.
	I mean, the Nazis thought they were standing up for what was right.
	The communists sometimes think they're standing up for what Antifa think they're standing up for.
	I don't even know what that means.
	I think people should be honest about what they think and feel.
	Those people are blinded by, okay, well, here's another question, right?
	It's like, most people, when you're an angry person, when you harbor resentment, and most people harbor some resentment towards somebody that they haven't forgiven yet, when you carry that kind of anger and resentment, you're blinded to the truth.
	You can't possibly know the truth when you're angry.
	You know what I mean? So these people that think they're doing right, they don't even know what truth is.
	And I see a lot of people stepping back from it.
	Dude, you formulated it as you think men should stand up for what's right, and now you're telling me most people have no clue what's right.
	Which is it? You're spinning me around here.
	I just told you, Stefan, I just told you, man, they need to address who they're angry at.
	They need to forgive who they're angry at.
	No, no, hang on, hang on. Listen, I'm going to be straight.
	I told you to be honest, right? Be honest with you, right?
	You're confusing your living shit out of me.
	Because you say to me, Steph, do you agree that men should stand up for what's right?
	And I'm like, I don't really know how to parse that thing.
	I don't really know, you know, lots of people think they're standing up for what's right when they're not.
	And then you're like, well, most people don't even know what's right.
	It's like, well, why on earth would you think that people should stand up for what's right if by your own definition they don't really know what's right?
	By telling them that their anger is wrong.
	Why is their anger wrong?
	Why is anger wrong? What's wrong with anger?
	Because hatred is wrong.
	You're supposed to live in a state of love.
	Hang on, what's wrong with hatred? Again, why would we have developed these emotions if they didn't serve our survival in some manner?
	It's like saying, well, your opposable thumb is wrong.
	It's like, well, it doesn't mean you've got to strangle a hobo.
	You could do something really loving with it.
	I don't think it's like saying your opposable thumb is wrong.
	No, but what's wrong with hatred?
	I don't understand. That is evil.
	Hatred is wrong.
	An emotion? Hang on.
	An emotion is evil? It's a state of mind.
	It's a parasite in your heart, is what hatred is.
	It's not an emotion.
	Giving me metaphors is not an argument.
	Saying it's a parasite in your mind doesn't prove anything.
	Your thumb metaphor is an argument.
	Your thumb metaphor is an argument.
	No, no, no.
	The analogy is correct, though, because we developed an opposable thumb because it served our survival.
	And we developed the capacity for hatred and anger because it served our fucking survival.
	So, the reason why I say you can't say that The Impossible Plum is bad, because look, some people who hate do bad things.
	Some people who hate do wonderful things.
	There are people who, I hate child abuse.
	I hate child abuse. I really do.
	I hate child abuse. Now, does that mean that I'm going to go and abuse children?
	No, I'm going to try and convince the world to not abuse children based upon my hatred.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on.
	You got to let me finish, right? So some doctors, you know, some researcher, you know, his mother dies of cancer in some horrible, lengthy, and she's like, oh, I hate cancer, man.
	I'm going to work to end cancer, right?
	Well, I don't understand how you could just take a sort of foundational, evolutionary, essential emotion and just castrate it completely, right?
	And then say, well, hatred is just bad no matter what.
	That's reductionist.
	It's not accurate.
	Well, that would be a confusion between judgment and discernment.
	Like, you can recognize that somebody is doing wrong without hating them.
	You can recognize that something is not right and not hate it, because then you're just doing wrong because they're hate-filled.
	Like, the reason people do wrong is from anger, which is just hatred.
	And then you hate them, you hate it back.
	Wait, so everyone who's angry does wrong?
	No, I said wrong is committed from anger and hatred.
	It's evil. Okay, so hang on, hang on.
	So is the wrong and the anger synonymous?
	In other words, can you be angry without being wrong?
	Can you be angry without being wrong?
	No, your anger is wrong.
	Okay, so then you just contradicted yourself, which is fine.
	I just don't think you even notice it.
	How? No, I don't.
	Explain. So...
	You said that there was a gap between anger and wrong, and then I asked, well, are they synonymous?
	And then you said, well, they are synonymous, all anger is wrong.
	And I'm saying, well, you can't be angry.
	No, I didn't say they're the same thing.
	I'm sorry? Well, anger is wrong.
	Anger is wrong. There is right and there is wrong.
	No, why is anger wrong?
	Because you don't need it. You need to be rational.
	You need to think logically about these things.
	You can't be controlled by an angry spirit to deal with things correctly.
	You have to see things clearly.
	Why would anger not be something that allows you to see something clearly?
	Because love is what makes you see clearly.
	It's obvious, isn't it?
	Don't you see things more clearly when your life is at peace?
	Like anger is not a peaceful thing.
	I don't know why anger wouldn't be something that would help clarify something.
	You know, there's a fight or flight mechanism, right?
	So when we are threatened, we gain fight or flight, right?
	Now fight has something to do with anger, right?
	I mean, the adrenaline, the cortisol, the dump, the escalation, it's preparing ourselves for a fight, right?
	And so you're taking a primal emotion, anger or hostility or fear, and you're saying these things are bad in and of themselves, even though you understand if they had been bad for us, we wouldn't have evolved them.
	right? So you're saying that which has kept us alive and keeps all animals alive, which is the fight or flight response, and there is love and there is peace and all of these things, which is fine.
	I mean, you've got to have the variety, right?
	But I don't quite understand why Those emotional apparatus which we share with every single living creature, which has kept us alive as living creatures for four billion years, and is the only reason we're here, that you just can carve these things off that are essential to our survival, and the only reason we're here, and just say, well, they're evil.
	I just don't follow.
	Yeah, I just don't. Yeah, maybe you don't.
	I see anger, hatred, all these things.
	I just see them as wrong. I see them as corrupting the spirit.
	I see it in people's fear.
	I see how they don't want to address the issue.
	I see how they don't want to say what's true to the people around them.
	I see that all emanating from anger and hatred.
	Because if you're true, if you're real, if you don't mind being questioned, you know what I mean?
	You welcome the judgment in a way.
	But if you're an angry person, the wall is up.
	Resistance is coming. Nothing's going to get through.
	That's what anger does.
	I don't know. Hang on.
	Let me ask you this.
	Hang on. Sorry to interrupt.
	Let me ask you this. I did want to make a point there, though, if that's all right.
	Yeah, yeah. Please go ahead. Yeah.
	You asked, like, how are we going to disregard this?
	How are we going to just disregard this emotion that's kept us alive for all this time?
	I don't know. Maybe it's time for an enlightenment.
	Maybe it's time for us to let go of the anger.
	Maybe it's time. You know, we've been working off the same dialectic for how many years now?
	No, no, no.
	Anger and hatred have had a bad rap for a long time in the West.
	Oh, absolutely. Yours is a completely mainstream position.
	That hate and anger are all used as a pejorative.
	Yours is a completely and totally mainstream position.
	And mine is a radical minority position.
	I'm sorry? Mary, if you say so.
	I mean, if you say so, I don't really see that.
	If you have concerns about the direction of the culture, and your perspective is by far the most dominant perspective, If you have concerns about the culture and your perspective is the dominant one, does that give you no possibility of changing your perspective on your argument, right? Because you totally won.
	Yours is the mainstream argument and you say the culture is going badly.
	I would put the people that...
	I haven't heard anyone say that...
	I haven't heard people address anger recently.
	There's a couple of people, like Jesse Lee Peterson.
	There's a few other people who address the issue of anger.
	And... Sorry.
	I don't see how it's mainstream.
	But I would put it in this story.
	I lost my train of thought. It's called hate speech if you're not...
	Hang on. It's called hate speech if you're not...
	Yeah. Okay, great.
	Great point. Great point.
	Great point. That's exactly what I'm trying to say.
	It goes into that category of, like, misnaming shit.
	Like, when they say, like, we need to have tolerance, we don't really...
	We need to have tolerance for our own destruction.
	When we need to have diversity, it's not really diversity, is it?
	I would put that in the... The way that people...
	Maybe you'll hear them say it.
	I don't really hear them say it.
	I don't hear people talk on the issue that much.
	Let me ask you this.
	There's two categories here, and I think that the problem that we have in the conversation is a lack of categorization.
	So, I do not believe that you should use anger as an intimidation tactic.
	I don't think you should use it to bully people in your personal life, in your relationships, in all the relationships that are voluntary in your life.
	You should not use anger as a mechanism to bully and to dominate, that that's not going to work.
	And, of course, you shouldn't hate the people in your life.
	You might have issues with them.
	You might disagree with them or be disappointed with them, just as they might be with you.
	But that's just one category.
	of relationships, right?
	That's just one category of relationships.
	Now, the other category of relationships is when there are people who are showing genuine threat against you and they need to be fought, not reasoned with, because they won't reason with you.
	Now, the fighting, we would hope, and I always advocate, you know, you would keep it peaceful.
	You would keep it in the court system and so on.
	But if you look at someone like, I don't know if he's James O'Keefe, got deplatformed from Twitter and he got really angry and he's done.
	And more power to him.
	Good for him.
	He got really angry.
	And he's now suing Twitter.
	And he's suing Twitter because, I assume, he doesn't feel like he can just have a call or reason things out or understand what he did wrong.
	And you see this complaint all the time where people say, well, I got deplatformed.
	They said it. There's this thing. I asked them what this thing was.
	They wouldn't tell me. So you're in a situation where you're being censored and silenced and deplatformed unjustly, unfairly, or at least without any reasonable explanation.
	So his anger is causing him to fight to retain his ability to communicate with the public, which is an essential part of, of course, of what he does.
	And I'm not sure.
	And he hates the way he's been treated.
	I'm speaking for him.
	I'm going to assume that he would obviously speak for himself far more effectively.
	But he hates the way he's been treated.
	He hates the injustice of what's happened.
	He's angry at what's happened.
	And he's fighting back hard.
	Now, do you feel that he's evil for having the emotions of anger and hatred?
	Um... I would have to say, yeah, but I'd like to explain why.
	Like, um...
	To me, it makes sense what he's doing.
	But in my head, the way I see it, someone like James O'Keefe, and I don't doubt this for a second, he knew exactly what he was doing.
	He's fighting wrong.
	So when good fights evil, that's how it's supposed to be, right?
	That's not wrong.
	You don't have to be angry to...
	When I have to defend myself, I'm not angry about it.
	I'm not angry at the person.
	Can you give me an example of you successfully fighting irrational evil in your life through this process?
	I'm skeptical, but I'm open-minded.
	I'm perfectly willing to be convinced.
	So, because, you know, if the way that James O'Keefe is doing it, and he's got this whole wall of shame of people who've had to retract all of this stuff, and he's fought really hard in this kind of way.
	He's doing right. What's an example from your life where you've had to take on an irrational injustice and succeeded in this way?
	An irrational injustice.
	Honestly, I brought a lot up on myself, so it's hard to find an irrational injustice in my life.
	I tend to believe that.
	Oh, come on. Don't weasel out that way.
	Come on. You live in the modern world.
	Don't tell me you're not subject to any irrational injustice.
	That's not true at all.
	Come on. Irrational injustice.
	Can you give me an example, one that you had to do, just so I have some kind of frame?
	Listen, you claim to be an expert on how to fight evil, and I'm asking you, okay, well, hang on, hang on, hang on, let me get my words out, let me get my words out.
	You claim to be an expert on how to fight evil, and I would then assume, if you tell me, oh, I'm an expert at Thai kickboxing, and...
	I say, okay, can you show me a video of any Thai kickboxing you've done where you've been successful?
	And you're like, well, I'm not really sure what the definition of Thai kickboxing is.
	You understand why I'd call bullshit on that, right?
	Well, I would call bullshit on the fact that you're putting words in my mouth.
	That's absolutely untrue.
	No, you said, I know how to fight evil.
	And I said, give me an example in your life where you fought evil.
	And you're like, I don't know what that means.
	No, you said, I said I was an expert.
	Did I say that? You said you knew better than James O'Keefe how to fight evil.
	Did I say I know better?
	Yes, you did. Absolutely. You said he's going about it the wrong way and he should do it the way that I do it.
	No, I didn't. I said he's doing it right.
	You absolutely did. Listen, this is recorded, man.
	It's recorded. I'm not going to waste time with you if you will simply...
	Hang on. If you're going to guess something you said 20 fucking seconds ago, I don't have any interest in talking to you.
	Right? You absolutely said, you said, James O'Keefe is doing it wrong, and I know how to do it better.
	And so I'm saying, okay, can you give me an example?
	And then you get all vague on me and won't give me anything, right?
	Did he sound angry to you guys?
	Yeah, he kind of did, right? I'm sorry, it's kind of predictable, right?
	Listen, I'm an empiricist.
	I just want people to give me the facts.
	And listen, I said I was open-minded.
	If he's got ways to fight that work, I'm certainly happy to hear, but didn't seem to want to continue in the conversation.
	That's too bad. He got a little angry toward the end.
	He got a little angry toward the end.
	Well, I'm sure he's now...
	And it's funny, too, because he's like, well, you know, men aren't being men anymore.
	And it's like, you know that men are like the immune system of the social body.
	And you want your immune system to get angry at whatever it has to fight, so to speak.
	You want it to be relentless and so on.
	And yeah, so he did contradict himself a lot.
	And he, you know, I'm happy.
	It's like, hey, if you tell me you can do something wonderful, you know, I can see James O'Keefe's entire wall of the attractions he's got.
	I think that's great. Good for him.
	And, you know, so he's got some success and he may well.
	He's certainly had big success with the New York Times and he's looking forward to deposing Jack Dorsey under oath and all that kind of stuff.
	So he could get some really great stuff done.
	And again, I don't want to speak for James O'Keefe's emotional status because I can't read minds or anything like that.
	But when I saw the video of him announcing his lawsuit, he was angry.
	I mean, that's straight up. And I applaud him for it.
	I think it's a healthy emotion. It's a wonderful emotion.
	And this guy's complaining like men aren't men anymore.
	And it's like, but you've just got to love yourself into winning a fight against evil.
	And it's like, that's not how things work.
	That's just not how things work.
	That's more of a feminine attitude.
	I'm sorry? That's more of a feminine attitude, I think.
	Well, see, women, you know, I mean, because there's deference to women and so on, no deference to women, they can do a lot of this kind of stuff.
	But, you know, we men, you got to be comfortable with your baser emotions.
	And again, you don't want to be like out there committing violence or anything like that.
	But the idea that you're going to Fight an evil that wants to exploit and destroy you without any...
	All you end up doing is you end up just saying, well, I can't get angry.
	And, oh, I'm angry. Oh, that's bad.
	And you just end up managing yourself.
	And the funny thing was is that earlier he was saying, well, women seem to want to manage their environment a lot.
	This guy just wants to manage himself and not have any of these bad emotions.
	And that is really, really a challenge.
	And I thought it was fairly nice.
	I wasn't angry at the guy. I was certainly energetic about it.
	But I was genuinely curious.
	And unfortunately, we didn't get...
	Didn't get much of an answer. Too bad.
	All right. I've got another minute or two.
	If anybody has a last question, I've got a call at 9, but I'm happy to chat.
	If anybody has another question or comment, please go.
	Yeah, I've got one real quick. Yeah.
	Hey, my name's Morgan, and I'm the one that put the question in DLive about being a farmer.
	And the reason I ask the question is because I work at a data center right now, and I'm really considering kind of going towards being a farmer.
	And I was just wondering, I was looking at things like government grants, and I was just wondering specifically about USDA grants.
	Is that something that would possibly be immoral in some way?
	Or I don't see it as immoral simply because, one, I pay into the tax system, and two, I would be using the money to put back into my local community and the community at large.
	Yeah. Yeah, or you could take your money, invest in Bitcoin and buy Bill Gates out when it pops even more.
	That would be nice, yeah. Look, as far as taking government subsidies go, look, if you have paid into the system and getting your money back to me is perfectly fair and perfectly fine.
	I think that's no problem.
	And also, if you have a...
	If you have a...
	Job that would be there in the free market, then to me, that's totally fine.
	You know, if you're a tax collector, it's kind of a different matter.
	But if you have a job that would be available in the free market, that's totally fine.
	Never lie to the government. Of course, it's illegal.
	But yeah, if you can legitimately get subsidies from the government and the government complying with the laws and the regulations, it's great that you have these...
	Moral qualms, but you don't want to be totally hypersensitive on these kinds of things, if that makes sense.
	So, yeah, because, you know, the bad guys certainly aren't.
	And having, you know, crazy higher standards than the bad guys doesn't necessarily get you to win, if that makes sense.
	Right. Yeah, yeah. That makes sense.
	Thank you. I appreciate it. All right.
	Good, good. All right.
	right last question comment issue thingy thing no all right then i think we are done for the night I really, really appreciate everyone dropping by.
	A great pleasure to chat with you guys this evening, as is always the case.
	I am truly, truly privileged, honored, and humbled by the glorious brilliance of this collective conversation.
	And I totally love the guy who called in, by the way.
	I really, look, I love him for sticking to his guns.
	I love him for fighting hard.
	I think it was a A great interchange and necessary and helpful.
	And I really do appreciate the people who called in.
	I love the guy who complained with bad grammar about IQ. He was also fantastic.
	And have yourselves a great evening.
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