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April 20, 2021 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux

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FIGHTING SEX ADDICTION! Freedomain Call In

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	All right. Good evening, everybody.
	Stefan Molyneux from Freedom, Maine.
	Hope you're doing well. And welcome to our Friday evening philosophy.
	And I'm going to try...
	I had a little bit more energy and focus earlier in the day.
	I did a bunch of work, so we'll see how we go tonight.
	But I'd like to do a long, deep, powerful, penetrating show.
	The kind of show that's going to show up in a Harlequin romance novel.
	With a young Fabio on the cover, flexing his mighty dolphin-like pecs.
	I don't know. Do dolphins have pecs?
	I guess they peck at fish. Anyway.
	So, yeah. Good evening, everybody.
	Stephen Mullen from Freedomain. If you'd like to help out the show, freedomain.com forward slash donate.
	Freedomain.com forward slash donate.
	And we're going to start with a caller.
	So, normally, we do these shows on Friday nights, the call-in shows.
	And often, I won't really do so much with the video, but...
	Tonight we will. Nice to have that kind of video record of what's going on.
	So I will ask James if you'd like to, and then afterwards we're going to do a Q&A if you want.
	Bring back the Hawaiian chair cover.
	Yes. It was rightly and justly mocked quite considerably.
	So, yeah, James, if you wanted to do our intro, I'm happy to hear.
	All right. So our caller writes, Hi, Stefan& Co.
	I love The Collins Show and can't get enough.
	I think my problems are on brand, judging by the episodes I've heard so far.
	I have two problems I'd like to talk about if you think it would be worthwhile.
	I'll break it into two sections and you can see which is more important.
	Or not. It's your rodeo, Haas!
	Under Breaking Sex Addiction.
	This is probably the more pressing issue in the grand scheme.
	However, it's not an active daily issue like the soulless job.
	Here are the cliff notes.
	My parents divorced when I was four.
	I was exposed to sex at a very young age.
	My mother was a sole caregiver and very abusive.
	This fed into a constant and persistent search for sex, and I have done some things I'm very ashamed of as a result.
	I've had two serious relationships and was cheated on in both.
	Red flag blindness.
	The cheating has turned into a fetish, likely as a defense mechanism, but I don't know how to escape.
	The other issue, finding contentment in a soulless job.
	In spite of early struggles, I've worked diligently and have become very successful.
	My company turns over nearly half a million a year, but I'm still just a consultant embedded in a company that doesn't care for me.
	I'm finding it impossible to break out of a 9-to-5 consultant workday and I find zero meaning in my work.
	I want to quit, but everyone around me loves to guilt trip me about how they'd like to be earning what I'm earning.
	I can't decide if I should sell my soul and try to retire early or take a leap of faith and work on something else.
	I spend most of the day watching farmers vlogging saying, God, I wish that were me.
	That's about the size of it.
	If any of that tickles your fancy, I'd be honored to chat.
	I'm sorry, he said watching what?
	Watching farmers what? Vlogging, you know, video logging.
	Farmers video logging?
	Yeah, like blogging, except with video.
	Okay, that's the weirdest freaking sex fetish I've ever heard.
	I assume these two are not related, that he's not, like, whacking off over farmers on tractors.
	You know, I don't mean to judge or anything, but, you know, there's certain things I can get from a sexual standpoint that might be a bridge too far for me, but let's...
	I guess we'll sort that out as we go forward, but that is quite something else.
	So, okay. And that was the end of it.
	David, are you on? Just to make sure you unmute yourself.
	Yep, I am here.
	Yeah, it's not a sexual fetish, the farming thing, by the way.
	It's just an interesting life pursuit, I think.
	And does your sexual fetish involve bald philosophers?
	Because I may not be able to help you then, if that's the case.
	I'm going to assume not.
	Yeah, no, it doesn't quite do it for me.
	Do you like ostrich eggs?
	Do you like talking balloons?
	Do you like giant thumbs with reason?
	I just want to make sure if there's any overlap at all, I may not be the guy for this.
	Yeah, no, no, that's all right.
	I've got you on the other screen. I'm not aroused.
	Just sitting here. Wait, come on, not even a little?
	Okay, how about this?
	I'm plowing the back 40.
	No, I'm just kidding. All right. I got a brand new combine harvester, and I'll give you the key.
	Pretty good. With all seriousness, let's talk about the sex stuff.
	You said you were exposed to sex at a young age.
	Was that through molestation?
	Was that through pornography?
	Was that through sex sounds from shrieky mom?
	How did that play out?
	Yeah, so I think when I was three or four, I stumbled into the family room at night and there was a sexual movie playing.
	So that was probably my first bit of exposure.
	I remember that quite clearly.
	But then also, when I was in kindergarten, so I think five years old or so, there was a girl there who sort of, quote-unquote, taught me what sex was.
	So, I don't know, perhaps she was being molested, but...
	Wait, sorry, do you mean like the, because there's sort of sexual exploration among kids, which is sort of called, I don't know, playing doctor, you show me yours, I'll show you mine kind of thing.
	I'm sort of mixed feelings about that.
	That to me is not quite the same as some, you know, pedo uncle at all, right?
	So with the girl, how old were you and what happened?
	Well, we'll get to the pedo-uncle thing.
	But the girl, it would have been four or five, but yeah, she was like, I'll show you what sex is sort of thing.
	And then, you know, being in the playground rubbing genitals together.
	So that was, I guess, my first time understanding.
	I didn't really understand it, but yeah, that was my first real life exposure.
	Sorry, how old was she?
	Same age. Same age.
	Okay. So without a doubt, at least in my mind, without a doubt, she would have been exposed to ungodly amounts of sexual material or sexual experiences to even know any of that.
	So, okay. At least that would be my sort of thought.
	So was it a pornographic movie or just a movie with...
	Just a sex scene.
	And side note, that girl ended up having a teen pregnancy.
	She dropped out of school. So it's pretty sad what happened to her.
	So what happened after sort of four or five?
	You did this with another girl, this sort of genital rubbing.
	What happened after that?
	Um, so nothing after that for a little while though, I did experience a bit of gender confusion after that and thank fucking God it wasn't today because I probably would have been put on puberty blockers or something.
	Um, but yeah, I would, I would like simulate sex solo as a child and, um, Then I was exposed to porn by finding a magazine.
	My dad used to dispose of old magazines and I would go through the piles of magazines and found a bunch of porn magazines and I would steal those.
	Now, when you're talking about pornographic, and I don't know, I mean, I guess you're not the youngest person on the planet if your first exposure to pornography is through magazines, which I imagine is kind of quaint, to the listenership as a whole.
	Were we talking, because with regards to the magazines, there was Playboy.
	There was Penthouse, which was raunchier.
	There was Hustler, which was super raunchy.
	And then I assumed that there was just stuff beyond that.
	And so where were the magazines in that context?
	Was it like, yeah, I'd love to read about...
	You know, stereos, how to break down a carburetor and how, you know, chicks dig love handles and an interview with Ayn Rand and then some fairly modest spreads.
	I mean, where was this in terms of pornography in your classification?
	It was softcore, so mostly just women with exposed breasts.
	I remember seeing a vagina for the first time and being scared.
	That's something.
	So it wasn't super hardcore.
	Yeah, no, I certainly can understand how, you know, if nothing's explained to you, it kind of looks like how an alien might reproduce itself, right?
	So I get all of that.
	And so what happened?
	Was this all pre-puberty, the magazines?
	Yeah, pre-puberty.
	Just to backtrack, I was about seven or eight there.
	My brother, actually, when I was six or so, used to touch me inappropriately for a while.
	And how old was he?
	Three years older, so he was about nine or ten.
	And you've mentioned earlier you're going to bring up the pedo-uncle.
	Do you think that was transmitting itself down through the family tree that way?
	So, uncle is not correct.
	It was just a friend, someone we loosely knew, and my brother knew him as well.
	I'm not sure if he was also molested, but this was long before...
	My brother touching me was long before this person came into our lives.
	So, okay.
	Have you ever talked to your brother since about this stuff?
	No, absolutely not.
	There's a rather bitter life in there.
	We'll get back to that.
	Okay. So, and what would your brother do in terms of this inappropriate stuff?
	Yeah, he would be like, hey, come in this room and he would get me to...
	Yeah, just... Sorry, I don't mean to laugh.
	Yeah, it didn't go too far because we were kids, so, you know, both pre-puberty, so it wasn't a lot of erupt material, so to speak.
	But yeah, just, I would say, inappropriate touching.
	It didn't last for long. That's one good thing, I guess.
	Right, okay. And just before we get to puberty, your parents divorced.
	What was the situation with your mom and dad and you?
	Yeah, so I'm the youngest.
	I've got two older siblings and Earliest memories.
	I remember walking into the kitchen and seeing a plate thrown against the wall.
	So it was very toxic.
	And, you know, we've never really talked about it.
	It's very much my mother says that, oh, my dad would never do any housework or would never help with the kids.
	And then he would say, like, You know, I work a manual labor job and I come home and the house isn't even clean, the dishes aren't even done.
	So I think both of them had some justification to be frustrated with each other, but yeah.
	So he worked a manual labor job, so he didn't make much money, and then she complained that he didn't help around the house?
	He did okay.
	He's self-employed.
	And I actually sort of...
	It recently occurred to me that he's been making good dough for all of our lives.
	And so I'm like, well, why the fuck were we living in poverty if he was buying new cars and that kind of thing?
	Wait, sorry. Were you...
	Is this before or after the divorce that the poverty staff held birth?
	After the divorce. Before divorce...
	Yeah, we did okay.
	I guess his business was pretty immature at that point, so I would say probably like an equivalent of 70 grand or something today.
	That's good money. And did your mum not work?
	No, she kind of helped with the books while they were together.
	Sorry, why would he do the housework?
	I don't understand. She's home all day.
	He's working a hard job.
	You said they both have complaints, and you're probably right.
	I don't understand why he would be doing the housework.
	Why would he do the housework?
	She's not making much money. She's not making any money.
	Why would he be doing the housework? Yeah, I don't know about housework.
	I think it was more... I might have misspoke there.
	It was more about not helping with the kids, like not changing kids' diapers and that kind of thing.
	And supposedly he isolated her from her friends, but I don't know if that's the case, really.
	Yeah, you can't ever get...
	Unless you are conscious enough to witness it yourself, you never get the truth about divorce from anyone.
	Divorce is just...
	Just fucking lies and lies and lies.
	I trust nothing.
	I believe nothing. But if there are complaints, I generally assume that it's all bullshit.
	I mean, obviously there were complaints in the marriage, but whatever anybody says, I just assume it's all nonsense.
	You know, like my mother, after I was born, she was depressed for, I don't know, some months.
	She ended up in hospital and, you know, her story is my dad showed up and stared out the window and ignored her and said, oh, I'd rather be fishing, right?
	And this was her You know how people have this?
	It's so annoying. It's so dead in the mind.
	But what they do is they have one story that just explains everything.
	What happened in the marriage?
	Well, I was in hospital and I was unwell and your father came in and you stared out the window and he said, I wish I were fishing.
	And every single time, it's that one thing over and over.
	It's like a tattoo in the brain or a train track just going round and round.
	And it explains nothing.
	It explains nothing. Because the question is, okay, well, how did it get to that point?
	What did you say beforehand?
	And I just assume nobody's telling the truth about anything when it comes to divorce.
	And of course, I was even younger than you, not that it's any kind of competition, but I was younger than you when my parents got divorced.
	And the idea that I would ever...
	I mean, my dad's dead now.
	My mom's in her 80s. But the idea that I would ever get any truth about...
	Anything? I mean, it's completely impossible.
	I mean, this is why people say, oh, you should go talk to your mom.
	It's like, she's not going to tell the truth about anything.
	She never has, as far as I can tell.
	And so, yeah, it's just, I say this to the guys out there, and to the women, too.
	If the guy's paying the bills, you run the household.
	And he'll help out with the kids.
	I mean, I hope he'd want to help out with the kids because the kids are a great deal of fun.
	But as far as running the household goes, you know, if the guy comes home from like eight or ten hours of hard work and you give him a sink full of dishes, your marriage is going to go tits up.
	I mean, it's just not going to work.
	Because the guy at some point is going to say, wait, wait, wait.
	So when it comes to finances, it's 100% me, 0% you.
	But now it has to be 50-50 with the housework?
	You've got to be kidding me. You've got to be kidding me.
	No way. That's a terrible deal.
	That's a terrible deal. I mean, and you can say this to your wife, your girlfriend, or whatever.
	You can say, look, if I said that you have to do 50% of the housework And make 100% of the money, would that be a good deal?
	Well, no. So anyway, I just wanted to sort of point that out that this, I don't think it's laziness or entitlement.
	It's just that women have been told so often that it's got to be equal.
	It's like, okay, if it's got to be equal, then you contribute half the money.
	And if you're not contributing half the money, run the damn household, like somebody who's not a parasite.
	Anyway, so I hope that, I'll sort of get that off my chest, so to speak.
	Yeah. And it's probably, well, I know it's relevant.
	I don't know if it's relevant to this conversation, but my parents, my dad's parents both died when he was very young and my mother's father died when she was very young.
	So both of them were pretty isolated.
	Do you know what the older people died of?
	Dad's mum died of childbirth complications and then his dad died of an aneurysm when he was 10.
	Super tragic.
	He was adopted by his half-sister and then his siblings, they were half-brothers and half-sisters were sent off to a farm so he was separated from his kind of blood siblings.
	How do you know it was tragic?
	Just from what I've heard from my dad.
	Okay, so you don't know.
	And the reason I'm saying is that 70% of health ailments are lifestyle related, right?
	So an aneurysm could come because somebody's obese, because they drink, because they don't exercise, because they're tense, stressed, angry all the time.
	I don't know. I'm just sort of guessing there's various causes.
	Complications from childbirth could occur because, again, alcoholism.
	It could be cigarette smoking.
	It could be drug use.
	It could be obesity. It could be any number of things.
	And I'm going to just tell you right now, I'm pretty fucking short of sympathy when it comes to sick people.
	Like, I really am. Because COVID, right?
	So COVID, there's no pandemic for people who aren't fat.
	And, you know, the old people with comorbidities, probably some of those are lifestyle related, some of them are just bad luck, so they can kind of get off the hook.
	But as far as the obese people go, you know, in Ontario, right, the police now have the right to stop you at any time that you're outside your home and demand to know the reason why you're out and demand to know your home address.
	And why? Because people couldn't stop eating.
	Because there's no pandemic without obesity, right?
	And so, just for me, I'm like, ugh.
	I mean, it was one thing when obese people were simply draining my bank account because of their endless requirements for healthcare and knee replacements and stomach stapling.
	It was one thing when they were just clogging up The health system as far as cholesterol clogs up their arteries, it's quite another thing when I have lost significant amounts of my freedom because people couldn't stop eating, which is really what's been going on with COVID. So I'm just telling you straight up, I'm sorry to be ladling my stuff on your stuff, but just straight up.
	Yeah. I don't know that it's all tragic.
	I think a lot of it is self-inflicted.
	Yeah. Well, yeah, I would say probably self-inflicted, but both of the men who died were World War II veterans.
	One of them died from cancer as a result of smoking.
	So that's all you had when you were over there was cigarettes.
	So they came back from the war and then both died.
	Right. Yeah, possibly lifestyle.
	But yeah, I have sympathy because of what they went through.
	Yeah, like even in the pandemic, what is it?
	STD, sexually transmitted disease rates, are up 300% over the last couple of years in America.
	And I mean, this comes back to your sex addiction, right?
	Which is like, I'm glad you're calling about all this kind of stuff.
	It's really, really important. But I have somewhat less sympathy for people.
	I'm 150% self-ownership guy these days.
	So, you know, right now in Ontario, the brilliant move, of course, is that, well, they've only had 14 months to prepare for a pandemic that comes in waves, and this third wave is as predictable as sunrise.
	They're not ready. So what they're going to do, you see, because they have, at least as a couple of days ago, they have 350 hospitals and 700 COVID intensive care patients.
	What they're going to do is they're going to start moving the COVID patients into, that's right, long-term care facilities, aka, to some degree, old age homes.
	But, you know, I mean, these people have all worshipped the state, loved the state, and wanted free stuff from the state.
	And now the state, the bill has come and due.
	And there's not much I can do to stop it.
	And yeah, sedentary lifestyles and being obese is the number one predictor as far as I've read of how badly COVID is going to hit you.
	And I just, why the fuck do I need to lose all of my rights because you all couldn't put down the Big Mac?
	I mean, it's just crazy.
	It's absolutely crazy. Anyway, okay, so let's go back to what happened around puberty.
	Okay, so you don't want to talk about the divorce anymore?
	We can move on from there. I mean, I'm happy to hear if there's more to say about the divorce, I think that would be great.
	Well, okay, so probably there's a few key points I think I want to bring up.
	After the divorce happened, my mother took us, me and my siblings.
	We went and lived in a rental.
	And this sort of had slipped my mind until recently.
	We came home one day.
	And there was just smash glass and stuff everywhere in the house, in the rental house.
	My father had, I don't know, broken in.
	I don't know if he had a key, but he had gained access to the house and smashed a bunch of stuff, which, you know, he could have gone to prison for that if my mother had called the police.
	So my life could have been even more different.
	And you don't know any of the backstory as to what happened there?
	No. You know, sort of in the next couple of years after that, my mother had a lot of strange dudes through the house.
	So I think it could have been related to that or, you know, possibly just my dad being forced to sell his house, which has quadrupled in value since he sold it and he's just constantly...
	Yeah. So she just went through trashy guys, is that right?
	Yeah, and I don't remember too much of it, but I remember some dude with a fancy car coming and taking her out, and then we could hear them having sex.
	What, in the car? Not in the car.
	After they'd gone out on their date, they came back, had sex, could hear it, and then he just peaced out, and we never saw her again.
	Sure. Yeah, and my mother's not particularly attractive as well, so it's like...
	Right. But she was available where it counted, right?
	Yeah, exactly. So can we move to puberty or is there something else you wanted to mention about earlier stuff?
	Yeah, I mean, so I don't know exactly what my siblings went through, but supposedly in the course of this dating and sleeping around, my mother kind of sort of pimped out my sister, like would sort of give her, push her to date the sons of the men she was dating.
	So yeah, she was sort of forced into promiscuity a bit, I think.
	That's about it.
	So, I'm trying to sort of figure out, so your mother would encourage your sister to date the sons of the men that your mother wanted to date?
	Yes. Is it so that she would have access to the dads?
	I really don't know.
	I have no idea, to be honest.
	Well, let's try and puzzle it out, right?
	So it could be so that your mom would have access to the dads that she would want to date, right?
	Yeah, potentially.
	A bargaining chip or something.
	How old was your sister when this was going on?
	She probably would have been about 13, 14 maybe.
	So your mother is out there encouraging your 13-year-old sister to date guys so that she can bang the dads.
	Yeah. I mean, I don't want to sound overly harsh, so tell me where I'm going astray.
	Help me out. This is sort of my thoughts, but if there's something I'm getting wrong, let me know.
	Yeah, I don't know if that was...
	I have no idea what your motivations would be to be like, hey, you should date this guy's kid.
	I don't think it's, like, altruistic.
	Like, she's trying to be matchmaker for my sister.
	No, nobody matchmakes at 13.
	Nobody since, like, the 1200s, right?
	Or other cultures.
	So, the men in question, the fathers of the boys your mom was trying to get your sister to date, the men in general, were they wealthier?
	Were they high status?
	Was there something about them that would attract your mom in particular?
	Well, I mean, the fancy car with that one guy is probably a giveaway that he was well off.
	But some of them just, you know, they lived in kind of a smaller townhouse.
	But I do remember one time in my town, there's a big, big firework display annually.
	And we went to this guy's apartment.
	And he had the penthouse in this, this fancy apartment.
	And we got to watch the watch the fireworks from there.
	So yes, high status.
	So she was dangling her daughter in front of the sons in order to gain access potentially to the resources of the father.
	Potentially, but that was the one that lived at the kind of modest townhouse.
	And this is what my sister told me, so I can't say for sure.
	I don't really remember it.
	Okay, so you're a couple of years younger than your sister, right?
	You said you're the youngest, right?
	Yeah, six years younger.
	Six years younger than your sister, three years younger than your brother, right?
	That's right. Okay, so what was your sister's trajectory through teenage life?
	He said, almost terrified at the answer.
	You already know.
	She finished school.
	She was pretty book smart. Very into literature.
	She was a good creative writer.
	She moved to America for three years, went to a, I don't know if it's Ivy League, but she, you know, it was a pretty fancy university and came back a socialist.
	Right. Yeah, because, of course, when you're exploited by your mother, it's pretty easy for the communists and the socialists to transubstantiate that into Exploitive capitalists, you're primed for all of that stuff, right?
	You damage the children, and then through the wound, the ideology pours in, right?
	Yeah, so we butt heads on that a lot because I'm totally free market dude.
	And, you know, she really does not like that.
	And she always calls my parents racist.
	And like my dad has said some slurs, but I've never known him to, you know, discriminate against anyone because of their race.
	I don't think they're racist.
	Can I tell you?
	I mean, of the things I've heard about your parents, the word racist is like, even if they were, it would be like one of the least concerning things about what I've heard.
	Yeah. Because their negative opinions of other ethnicities wouldn't have directly harmed people in the way that they've harmed their children, right?
	Right. And is your, where's your sister's level of, I know it's an odd thing to ask, but your sister's level of attractiveness on that sort of one to ten scale?
	I'd say, you know, above average, maybe like seven or so.
	Not a bad looking girl.
	Right. Okay. Okay.
	And would she make a good wife and mother and all that?
	Friend, companion? She's married now, but it's seriously just a matter of convenience.
	She's been with the guy for close to a decade, and they weren't even planning on it.
	And they are parents of two beautiful dogs, so they're not planning on having kids as far as I know.
	They're like anti-natalists, really.
	Yeah, well, you know, kids can be work, and the laziness of the modern liberal female can scarcely be overestimated.
	Plus, of course, as people know, I'm sure that more than half of white liberal women have been diagnosed with a mental health disorder, like half nuts.
	Well, because ideology is never going to love you back, so it just makes them miserable.
	Okay, so what happened to you around puberty?
	Yeah, so I guess that's the important part.
	So yeah, I guess around eight or nine years old, I was one of those tough kids.
	I hated authority.
	And I would just get into these bad situations by talking smack to people, got in a lot of fights.
	And there was this dude, he was riding his bike past me, and I don't know why, I just called him the gay slur.
	I have no idea why.
	I was just compelled to do it.
	So anyway, later on, he beat the shit out of me, and this guy later became my molester.
	I don't know, that's...
	Not the best basis for a friendship, but somehow that happened.
	And he was a lot older, so...
	So you called a guy a gay slur, and he ended up molesting you, thus not exactly shattering all of the stereotypes about older gay men, right?
	Yeah, maybe it was retribution.
	Well, maybe you sensed something.
	I don't know how, like he was just, you know, he's kind of effeminate and was just riding past.
	I got like a two second glimpse at him and just said that.
	Okay, so then he later like found you alone and beat you up?
	Yeah, I was at the park down the road from my house and he came there and just beat the shit out of me.
	Wow. And you were like 12 or 13 and how old was he?
	I was 10 years old and he was 18.
	18? Oh my god.
	So a real coward and a bully, right?
	But of course he would freak out because if you're able to look at him and suss out what he's all about then he would be terrified about that.
	He'd be fearful and angry that he was that obvious and then he would want to punish you for making him feel that way, right?
	Oh yeah, I never thought of that.
	He always talked about being with women, but I never saw him around a woman.
	He was always surrounded by men, or boys, more accurately.
	Right, okay. And then, so the slur followed by the beating up, and then what happened with regards to the molestation?
	So, oh god, you hit me laughing.
	I was really into this trading card game.
	It was big at the time I was a kid.
	And now, as I'm older, I've found out that trading card games are an amazing vector for pedophiles to get at children.
	It's a big problem in Magic the Gathering.
	Is that right? So they say, oh, I'll trade cards with you and then they get access to kids?
	Yeah, exactly. And it's, you know, it's, it's one of those strange things.
	You go to a hobby shop and there's a bunch of sweaty 40 year old men, like Dungeons and Dragons types, and then kids, like 10 year olds, 12 year olds.
	So he had this little gang of trading card game people, and the deal was that if you're in the gang, you get to trade cards.
	Everyone borrows cards.
	It's a nice little communist thing.
	Everyone gets the cards they need to make the decks that they need to win.
	The caveat, joining the gang...
	You'll love this. You can't be circumcised.
	And so what do you think I had to do to enter the gang?
	Wait. Okay. Let me just see if I can process this.
	There's a lot for me to unpack in my brain here.
	Holy shit. Okay. So you've got a Magic the Gathering gang of older guys who only let kids in if they're circumcised?
	Yeah, it was his excuse to see kids' penises.
	That was it. Wait, but they bring this up to say, yeah, we'd love you to join our Magic the Gathering gang.
	Let me see your penis.
	Yeah, so it wasn't that fast.
	Like, we... He had sort of lured me in and we would play games and play cards together.
	And, you know, it's a perfect bargaining chip because he's like, I've got this super rare card.
	You know, it's worth $100, this one card.
	And having no money, I can't buy my own cards.
	So he's like, well, if you join our little clique, you can borrow these cards and...
	But, I mean, look, I'm sorry, again, I don't mean to sound incredulous, but how good is this game that this is like, yeah, I'll take this risk, yeah, I'll show this older guy my dick, the guy who I call the gay slur, and he beat me up, and now he wants me to show, yeah, how good is this game?
	I don't understand. Like, you don't win anything.
	It's not like the lottery, right?
	No. And yeah, I guess, again, backtracking a little bit, there was too many to count, like, encounters with older boys on the street, and they would just, like, show each other their penises.
	I don't know if that's normal for kids, but it just happened a lot.
	So it was kind of like, at that point, I was like, oh, yeah, show them your penis.
	It's no big deal.
	It's normal. I mean, it's not normal, but it's like, whatever.
	It's... I was like, I don't care if I show it to him, then I get access to these cards, so what's the downside?
	Yeah, well, I guess we found out over time, right?
	Yeah, exactly. Okay, so go ahead.
	Yeah, so he would say, like, he would...
	He had a vice president sort of position in his little clique, and...
	Wait, what? I'm so sorry.
	You mean like a social cleat, not a business thing, right?
	Yeah, yeah. It was like a little guild that's role-playing bullshit.
	So he was the guild master and he's like, you can be my right-hand man.
	And supposedly people are always vying for this position.
	And, you know, the requests sort of got more intense over time.
	And, you know, it's just like he was an experienced groomer, I suppose.
	It's like you've done it before. And how long did it take?
	I won't say soup to nuts, but how long did it take from the slur to actual molestation?
	Probably six months.
	It's hard to say. Wow.
	So when the actual molestation happened, I was probably about 11.
	Yeah, it continued for a year or two.
	A year or two?
	Come on. I mean, it's hard to recall at this point.
	I would say maybe a year and a half.
	And what form did the molestation take?
	Yeah, he would request oral sex.
	And fortunately, that is all it was.
	I never, you know, he never sodomized me or anything.
	So I'm fortunate in that regard, I suppose.
	He sort of was going to at one point, but I started crying.
	And he stopped, thankfully.
	You know, he had sort of...
	Mine fucked me into believing that this was a relationship and that this was something that I wanted or that I had the emotional maturity to consent to.
	And, you know, my parents were like, kind of, like, why is he hanging out with this older guy?
	That's kind of weird. Why is he sleeping over this older guy's house?
	Eh, whatever. And they didn't care.
	Wait, wait, wait. Your parents knew that you would sleep over with this older man?
	You sleep over at his house and your parents are like, yeah, this guy's 20 and our kid's like 12 and...
	Yeah. That's fine?
	Oh my god.
	I just...
	Oh man, I was so found.
	What is wrong with these people? I'm sorry, David.
	I don't fucking get it.
	What the fuck is wrong with these people?
	I'm not just talking about this asshole, predatory, fucking pedophile.
	I mean, because he's just a fucking snake in the grass.
	Like, what the fuck is wrong with the parents who are like, yeah, it gets him out of her hair, it gets him, he's busy.
	Oh, my God. I'm so sorry, man.
	Holy shit. Thank you.
	Yeah, my mom was pretty physically and verbally abusive at the time as well, so she didn't really care what we were up to.
	At that point, I remember...
	Sorry, you know that's not an option, right?
	You know, as a parent, she doesn't have that choice.
	You know, like if you buy a dog and you lock it in your fucking basement and you don't feed it because, hey, man, I'm just not into being a dog owner anymore, you can go to jail for that shit, right?
	You don't have an option.
	As a parent to say, well, I just don't really care that much.
	I'm not really into being a parent anymore.
	I don't really care. That's not even on the list of possibilities at all.
	At all, particularly around puberty.
	Yep. Ah.
	Yeah. So I remember one time, you know, she would just find any excuse to beat the shit out of us.
	She had a room with my brother, my mother.
	She had a room with my brother and my brother was doing his homework.
	It was like 11pm or something and I was just sitting up and chatting to him.
	And she just came in and started wailing on us, and I was bawling my eyes out, and she covered up my mouth and nose and was suffocating me, essentially, and I seriously thought I was going to die.
	But, you know, we would threaten calling Child Protective Services or whatever the service is, but, yeah, she was like, nah, you won't pussy.
	So she wasn't very good when we were kids.
	Do you know why she was so angry at that point?
	I mean, like, so the divorce happened and then her mother died and she was out of work for a long time.
	So she got a small inheritance from her mother.
	And sort of lived off that for about a year while she was job hunting and sort of picked up temp work here and there.
	I understand why it was frustrating and infuriating, but I don't think it excuses it at all.
	Wait, I'm sorry. What do you mean you understand that it was frustrating and infuriating?
	What do you mean? Um, well, you know, having to sort of solo raise these kids and find work and all that, I... No, no, that's...
	No, no. Fuck her.
	That's all a choice. That's what she chose to get married to your dad.
	She chose to fight with him. She chose to divorce him.
	She chose to turn off her kids to pedophiles.
	Don't you fucking try and get me a sympathy bone in my body here, my friend.
	I'm sorry. I'm not mad at you at all.
	But don't even try.
	Don't even try to get me on the sympathy wagon with regards to your mom.
	Okay. She handed over at least one kid to a pedophile.
	Okay? And didn't give a shit about what happened.
	So when you start to talk to me about, well, it was frustrating for her.
	It's like, I could care less.
	In fact, I wish there were more suffering because there's no...
	Fire deep enough in hell to swallow up the soulless evil of this kind of anti-parenting, okay?
	Like, I'm on your side 150%, and I appreciate the sentiment through which you're trying to get, well, you know, you're trying to be reasonable, trying to be even-handed.
	Well, my mom had her frustrations, but I don't care!
	I don't care. And I think it's kind of important if you want to cure this addiction stuff, that you better stop caring too.
	Because when you empathize with brutal, violent, destructive, promiscuous, pedophile-enabling abusers, you are completely trashing the entire moral history of your childhood and turning it over to the enemy.
	Yeah. I don't care that she was frustrated.
	I don't care. I care that you were abused.
	I care that you were molested.
	I care that you were half choked to death.
	I care that you were beaten up.
	That I care about. Your mother's frustration?
	Come on. To me, this is like the late Bernie Madoff with his 3,700 fucking victims saying, well, but Bernie Madoff was frustrated because his condo wasn't big enough.
	Who cares? I'm not going to make one single excuse for this kind of parenting.
	I'm not going to move one inch towards empathy at all.
	Because your mother had one job, which was to keep you safe, and she handed you over to be sliced and diced by a perverted child molester.
	That was her one fucking job, was to keep you safe.
	Yeah. And so when people say to me, well, we've got to save the West.
	Really? This shit?
	This shit? God, no.
	God, no. Whatever happens after this, this is no good.
	This, this, no.
	I have no interest in saving any of this shit anymore.
	So I get to go from the political to the meta to the you, right, which is the core of this conversation.
	But your mother's frustration means less than nothing to me.
	Thank you.
	Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean, she didn't intervene.
	My father didn't intervene.
	And then my mother remarried.
	And she had, sorry, the person she remarried with had adult children.
	And I was probably, I'd say, like 12 at this point.
	And I, for some reason...
	I don't know, the eldest of the adult children, the stepsister, was bisexual and sort of openly talked about it.
	And I said, like, oh, yeah, me too.
	And I sent her a picture of the guy and said, this is my boyfriend or whatever.
	And how old were you at this point?
	I think 12, probably.
	So 12, you're saying to your stepsister, who's an adult, yes, I'm bisexual and here's a picture of my boyfriend.
	Yeah, who was 18 or 19 at that time.
	And she didn't seem to be that perturbed by that.
	She didn't intervene at all.
	So, yeah, all the adults around me sort of just folded, failed.
	It's very strange.
	Yeah, to me, it works like this.
	You arrest the pedophile, then you go and arrest the parent.
	You arrest the pedophile, then you go and arrest the parent for failing to protect the child.
	That's how it works in a free society.
	That's how it works in a just society.
	You arrest the pedophile, you go and arrest the fucking parent.
	Right. So then, yeah, do you then get turned over to the state?
	No, no, a free society.
	Well, a free society would prevent this kind of stuff.
	But anyway... Yeah, because, I mean, every kid who's being abused knows that it's out of the frying pan and out of the fire if you turn yourself over to the state, like the Child Protective Services stuff, right?
	All right. Yeah.
	Um, probably worth noting at the time, my father had also remarried and, um, this woman was a demon, absolute demon, just sort of drained him of resources and money and, um, had this ultra, um, princess daughter who sort of got everything she wanted.
	Um, so even, um, dad's house wasn't an escape.
	We couldn't really, um, Yeah, we couldn't go there if mum was being abusive or whatever because it was as bad or worse there to the point where my sister said she would no longer go to my dad's house.
	So, I mean, that's got to be a pretty big indictment if you're willing to stay with I'm sorry, you, uh, I think, maybe a little bit, and you can correct me if I've gone astray here, but I think a little bit, you tried to pull the same stuff with your dad and me.
	My dad remarried and his wife was a demon!
	No, no, your dad was a demon.
	She's just the punishment. Once you've turned your kid over to a pedophile, you're probably not going to have a happy marriage now, are you?
	He summons her through his evil behavior.
	Because your mother and your father knew exactly what was going on.
	Exactly down to the last T, what was going on.
	And so when you say, well, you know, my dad did hand me over to a pedophile, but then, you know, he married this woman who was really terrible, and he took him for all his resources.
	Like, well, that's what, you know, you carve up your children and you hand them out to predators.
	Well, that's the spell that summons this kind of woman.
	I mean, she can read that in him like tea leaves.
	So I don't have any sympathy for your dad either.
	Yeah, that makes sense. Actually, it came up.
	I moved away when I... I finished uni, so when I was around 22, I moved to a different state.
	Wait, wait, wait, we jumped.
	We jumped like 10 years here.
	Yeah, I just wanted to bring this in.
	Okay, sorry, go ahead. Just a short note.
	Yeah, he came down to visit with a couple of friends and it just came up in conversation.
	He said, like, whatever happened to that weirdo guy?
	He wasn't a pedo, was he?
	And I was like, ah, no.
	Great time to ask, Dad.
	Eight years after the fact.
	Great time to ask.
	More like 12 years or more after the fact.
	Oh, was it? You were 24? Yeah, yeah.
	Something like that, yeah.
	Okay, so yeah. Just a side note.
	Jesus, H. I'm so sorry, man.
	This is appalling.
	I mean, my mom didn't fuck all to protect me either, and I got into some pretty dicey situations, but I managed to get out, and not because I'm any magical person.
	I just happened to be lucky with the people who kind of had me cornered, the men who had me cornered, but I didn't have the bad luck that you had, and I'm so sorry.
	I'm so sorry. This is what happens when you take men out of the family, And this kind of stuff happens.
	Now, again, your dad was around, right?
	And he didn't do anything to protect you.
	So it's not always a guarantee, but it certainly helps, right?
	Yeah. I mean, he wasn't really around.
	We would see him every couple weekends, that sort of thing.
	So I didn't have a father for all intents and purposes.
	Right. Okay.
	So how did it terminate?
	This is the part of the story where he fell off a bridge, and I cheer raggedly, but how did things play out with this satanic son of a bitch?
	It was just happenstance that it happened.
	When my mother remarried, they decided to sell her house and move, and we moved with them.
	I was... I never dealt with it.
	We just moved away.
	And I had a couple encounters with this guy again later on that we can get to later, but yeah.
	So you didn't move that far, right?
	No, just a couple suburbs, but far enough that it wasn't a daily occurrence like it was previously.
	Oh, so the relationship continued, but more intermittently?
	Oh, no, no. It terminated, but...
	There was just a couple, two isolated encounters where we crossed paths.
	Well, I mean, but were they sexual encounters?
	Were they pedophile encounters?
	Do you want to talk about that now?
	We'll get to it. It's your story, man.
	I'm just being dragged along here, so to speak.
	Whatever works for you is fine with me.
	Well, yeah, so my brother sort of stayed in contact with him.
	And at some point, my brother actually lived with him.
	My parents kicked my brother out because he was...
	Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
	Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no.
	Please, God. Let there be a bottom to the story below which there is not more hell.
	Your parents kicked out your brother who was then swallowed up by the pedophile.
	In his house. He lived...
	He was forced to live with a pedophile.
	I think...
	I believe my brother was over 18 at this point.
	So it was a bit further on.
	But yeah, it did happen.
	And obviously you didn't say to your brother, don't go.
	No. So you weren't a big fan of your brother at this point, right?
	I honestly don't think I knew that it was wrong still at this point.
	No, no, no!
	Not true. Not true.
	Because you didn't tell anyone.
	Right? Right.
	So of course you knew it was wrong.
	And I don't mean that you were wrong.
	I mean, you're just a lost child trying to find your way through a Studio Ghibli house of horrors.
	But... No, you knew it was wrong because, you know, your friends would say, hey, what did you do this weekend?
	It's like, yeah, I was bullied into giving head to some creepy older guy.
	You never said anything like that.
	You kept the whole thing completely under wraps.
	You never told anyone. You never told a teacher.
	You never told a priest.
	You never told relatives.
	You never told your parents. You never told anyone, right?
	No. So let's at least give you the moral sense to know that this was a grenade that had rolled into your life.
	And it's, you know, again, you want to look at the complexity of language.
	You talked about being forced to give oral sex and then later used the phrase, he mind fucked me, which is another way of putting it, right?
	Yeah. Yes, so...
	Okay, just continuing on that how it all ended story, I'll just finish that off.
	So when my brother was living with him at So I think I was 17 at this point.
	Okay, so this is even further along.
	Yeah, I was about 16 or 17, and I don't know why, but he was with my brother, and my brother drove to my house, and he let this guy into my house.
	Like, they pulled in the driveway, and I think, I don't know, they were picking up tools or something, and this guy just fucking walked in.
	I was sitting there and then suddenly after four years, face to face with this guy, he walks up and he just sticks his hand down my pants and I didn't do anything.
	What would you like to have done?
	Fucking beat the shit out of him.
	Break his fucking skull open.
	I don't know. Just really say, like, that's not okay.
	Or reprimand him somehow.
	And through all this, I know he, after I had left, he found another young guy to abuse.
	Right. I still haven't told anyone.
	Right. I want to go to the police.
	I know where he lives and I know what he does.
	And guess what he does for work?
	He owns a hobby shop selling trading cards.
	Of course he does.
	Have you ever looked up the law? - Yeah.
	Yeah. There's an organization that gives support to adults who are of child abuse.
	And I think if it happened when you were a child, there's no statute of limitations.
	So you can bring it up to the police if you're an adult.
	It's so difficult, and I don't know how to make that first step.
	It is unbelievably difficult.
	I am so incredibly sorry that this has landed in your lap, so to speak.
	I mean, what a burden.
	What a decision to make, what a bridge to face.
	I am incredibly sorry that this has landed in your lap of possibilities.
	Yeah. So I think this is the origin of it.
	I'm happy to talk about that now, but I want to get more perspective, and we can circle back to this a little later, but I want to...
	Well, first of all, tell me how you're feeling.
	I mean, this is... This is a hell of a thing to bring up and to talk about and your courage in doing so is a beautiful thing to behold.
	I feel like the unveiling of a piece of art called integrity.
	I feel very honored.
	I feel very privileged to be in the position where you would trust me with this kind of information and I just want to tell you how incredibly brave and honest you're being and talking about these incredibly difficult things is A very powerful thing to do, and I respect you enormously and admire you enormously for it.
	Yeah, thank you.
	I've listened to a few of the call-in shows, and there was one guy a couple of weeks ago, I think, Daniel, who was made blind by being force-fed fast food.
	And, yeah, just the way, I don't know, the way you counsel these issues, I think, is really...
	Helpful, because I told a couple people, I've told my therapist, I've told one of my friends, and I told my ex-girlfriend.
	When I told my friend, it was like I just told her, hey, it's raining outside.
	She didn't react at all.
	I don't know if that was like she was consciously being like, oh, hey, it's okay.
	Like, don't worry, I'm not going to react crazily or something.
	Or like, I don't want you to think it's too big a deal, so I'm not going to...
	Yeah, maybe some weird half-compassion thing like that.
	Yeah, I think...
	Yeah, I think that's my theory.
	Yeah. But yeah, to kind of just have no reaction was strange.
	And then I brought it up to her again.
	This was going on six years and she just, she was like, what was it again?
	Can you tell me again? Like, wow, that wasn't memorable.
	Yeah. So I guess that didn't help.
	That didn't make me more confident to bring it up again.
	And yeah, there's some details I haven't told anyone still.
	So yeah. Any of those things that you want to share now, or it's your choice, of course?
	Well, him bumping into me and just sticking his hand down my pants, that I have never told anyone.
	I'll tell you, the very last time I saw him, I was at a food court with my new girlfriend.
	I'd been with her for about a month, and who should appear?
	This guy right beside me.
	And I just shrink.
	And Yeah, I guess she wouldn't have known what was up, but she would have seen me cower.
	And then the relationship got pretty bad after that.
	So, yeah, I don't know.
	I believe that was probably related somehow.
	Related somehow? Of course it's related.
	Yeah. Yeah.
	So she would have seen me just completely bait her out.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	Don't say that. Don't say that about yourself.
	No, no, come on. You didn't bait her out.
	You didn't bait her out. This man tortured you.
	And, you know, the gender dysphoria stuff combined with increased...
	Pedophilia combined with single moms and others not protecting their kids.
	I mean, this is all related, but you didn't punk out, you didn't pedo out, sorry, you didn't beta out, you didn't any of these things.
	You were, I mean, this is PTSD 101, right?
	You were triggered and you went into fight or flight mode, right?
	Yeah, yeah, definitely.
	And I don't think you know why You didn't say anything when he put his hands down your pants.
	Right. Just unconscious.
	Do you know why you didn't do anything?
	Because I think you've got an answer like cowardice or I should have.
	I don't think you know why you didn't.
	I mean, I think I know, but I could be wrong.
	Obviously, I'm just... I think you've got an answer that's not fair and respectful to you.
	I mean, could it be that I was just returning to...
	Mentally returning to being a child.
	No. I mean, obviously that was happening, but you weren't a child, and you would be aware of that, and you were a big guy.
	You'd been in lots of fights. You could have fought him, right?
	Possibly. Oh, he wasn't a big, strong guy?
	Kind of, but I was also a very late bloomer.
	I hit puberty at like 16 or something, so I was still pretty scrawny then.
	I'm a big guy now, 250 pounds, 6'1", so if I see him today, I'll rip his fucking head off.
	Well, I mean, you could hit him with an implement, right?
	I mean, size doesn't matter as far as all of that stuff goes, right?
	Yeah, I suppose. Why didn't I do anything?
	Why do you think? I mean, I think I know.
	You didn't do anything because that's how you can get killed.
	Right. Because a pedophile who's facing a witness, a potential witness, has nothing to lose.
	Because pedophiles, when they get convicted, if they get convicted and they go to prison, what happens?
	They get raped and killed.
	Well, so many of the men in prison are there because of pedophiles, right?
	So many of the men in prison are there because of pedophiles.
	Right. That a pedophile comes into their midst, a lot of these guys have nothing to lose, so the pedophile is walking into kind of a...
	Not unlikely death sentence at this point.
	So if you decide to, say, fight back against a pedophile, then what happens is they don't have a lot to lose in terms of what they'd be willing to do to you in order to get you to not testify.
	Do you see what I mean? Right.
	Yeah. So what do you think?
	He was kind of just testing the waters to see, are you going to keep your lips shut?
	Well, yeah, so what he's doing is he's coming in there and he's aggressing against you, just as he did at the mall in front of your ex-girlfriend.
	He's coming in and he's aggressing against you to make sure that you're not going to rat on him.
	You're not going to do anything.
	Yeah. And I didn't.
	He was right. Oh, you know, taken on.
	This group is fraught with peril.
	Right. So what I'm saying is that I think it would have been unwise to react in the way that you fantasize about reacting.
	And of course, here's the thing too, right?
	So if you had beaten him up, what might he have done?
	Come back and retaliated.
	Come back and retaliated, that's right.
	What could he have done to your brother?
	He probably could have raped my brother or murdered my brother perhaps.
	Or implicated your brother in some sort of molestation situation or any number of things, right?
	Or he could have sued you.
	He could have pressed charges.
	Who knows, right? And all of this is a desperately bad situation that would have given him power over you again, right?
	Yeah. And that would not have been the way...
	Like, if you want to deal with a bad guy, you've got to plan.
	You don't just react.
	You don't just act impulsively.
	You plan. Do you know what I mean?
	Yes, yes.
	There's lots of ways that you can shuffle off this mortal coil in undetectable manners, right?
	People can come and mess with your water supply.
	People can mess with your car brakes.
	There's lots of different things that people can do, which are pretty tough to trace, right?
	Yeah. If you want to deal with a really bad guy.
	I mean, that's what he might do to you, right?
	So if you want to deal with a really bad guy, you have to plan.
	You have to, you know, like James O'Keefe, right?
	James O'Keefe, if the New York Times says bad things about him, if CNN says bad things about him now, Twitter, as he says, has said bad things about him, he doesn't just go and set fire to their offices, right?
	I mean, he doesn't act impulsively in that way, right?
	What he does is he consults with lawyers, he gets his facts in a row, he does what he needs to do in a careful and planned out manner to deal with the people he says is bad, right?
	Oh, bad.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so, I mean, that was...
	So I'm saying have some kindness to yourself.
	Okay. So it would have been the wrong thing.
	Oh, because we have this fantasy.
	Oh, I would have... But that's not how you...
	You don't beat evil by beating up on people in general.
	I mean, other than immediate self-defense, blah, blah, blah, right?
	Yeah. But you plan and you're patient.
	Yeah. Winning against evil is a marathon, not a sprint.
	Everybody wants to do the sprint and just, you know, because we get these stupid movies that, oh, you beat the bad guy up and whatever, right?
	You throw him off a bridge. That's not how you beat the bad guys.
	I mean, they tried that in World War II. It didn't really beat the bad guys.
	I mean, they beat one of the bad guys, the Nazis, but they didn't beat the other bad guys, the communists, right?
	Mm-hmm.
	So I think it's important to applaud yourself for the restraint that you showed.
	And the restraint that you showed probably showed up for you as fear and paralysis.
	But that's your unconscious saying, now is not the time.
	Not like this.
	Do you see what I mean?
	Yeah. I feel really guilty because I've let this go for so long.
	I've got this big document of newspaper articles with him, of his business registration details, where he works, where he lives.
	I've got all of this. I know he's in the community.
	And I'm sure that he has done this to other people because, you know, he had best friend kids.
	Well, but there's something else.
	Sorry to interrupt, man. There's something else that you're probably sure of deep down.
	And there's something else that you're sure of deep down is he's not alone.
	Because if you go, let's say you bring a...
	I mean, let's take a Mafia example, right?
	You find a Mafia guy and you take the Mafia guy and, oh my God, you get him arrested, right?
	And he... Then what happens?
	Another one takes his place?
	No. I mean, sure, but what happens...
	What does the Mafia do?
	No, they come after you.
	Yeah, because more than one guy, right?
	So this guy...
	It may well be part of an entire community right now, this evil cabal community, right?
	So he gets arrested, and what is the community concerned about immediately?
	He's going to rat out them.
	That's right, because they want to get the ring.
	They want to get the group.
	They want to get the cabal, right?
	They want to get the evil tribe. Yeah.
	Yeah. So, it's not just, it's not, oh, I'll get this guy, he'll go to prison and everything will be fine.
	I mean, this is some serious stuff, right?
	Yeah, I think I am afraid of that unconsciously.
	And you should be.
	And you should be.
	And will he know it was me?
	I'm sorry? Yeah.
	I'm wondering, like, will he know it was me?
	Because if there's only one victim, then he's like, oh, I know exactly who reported me.
	Well, that's – again, this is talking to a lawyer.
	This is talking – there's other things that you can do around all of this.
	I'm just saying that I hope that I can at least liberate you from the idea that you are some kind of coward for not just, oh, I'll just – yeah, I'll go to the cops.
	I'll get this guy arrested. I'll get this guy charged or whatever.
	You know, he makes bail or – and everyone else who's ever had contact with him who's in this line of devil's work – Is gonna be...
	Well, they're gonna be scouring, right?
	Okay. Because if they find out it's you, they eliminate you, you can't testify against him, he walks free, and they're fine.
	Right. So, unfortunately, it's not just a one...
	Most likely, it's not just a one-guy thing, right?
	Yeah. Well, he's, I mean, he's got a business partner in this, this hobby store.
	So I assume, um, like you couldn't, assuming he's still doing it, you, you can't hide that, that long.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what can and can't be hidden, but I will say that, um, this is not usually a one-off thing.
	It's not usually an isolated thing, especially if somebody is organized and has a whole front, right?
	So, when he comes in and grabs your genitals and you don't say anything, or when he comes up to you and intimidates you in the mall and you don't say anything, good.
	Like, that's smart. That's exactly the right thing to do.
	Because if you, let's say that you pushed him and you said, you son of a bitch, you ruined my childhood, whatever it is that you say, right?
	Then, oh my god, like, you've just signaled, right?
	And then when the police come for him, he knows!
	Right? And then what?
	Yeah. Right.
	Then I'm fucked. Right.
	So, who do I... Who should I speak to?
	Like... Well, that, again, I'm a philosophical podcast guy.
	So as far as the laws go, as far as protection goes, I don't know.
	And don't tell me anything about your life, right?
	I don't know your level of mobility.
	I don't know your...
	Uh, legal level of legal knowledge.
	I don't know what kind of community you have around you and all of the kind of things, but, um, I would certainly talk to a lawyer and, and find out what happens.
	Is there any kind of protection that you would be offered?
	Is there anything that could be occurring?
	Right. And I'd be happy to move overseas if, if need be.
	Like, um, I got no strings.
	I'm pretty isolated, to be honest.
	Well, I'm not too shocked at that because, you know, everyone you met was like that old song, right?
	All in all, you're just another brick in the wall.
	Fantastic song. Oh, I was just, by the way, I was just listening to that album again for the first time in years.
	Oh my God, what an unbelievably great album.
	Like, holy shit on a stick, from back to front, top to bottom, that is just an unbelievably great album.
	But anyway... And I was listening to that this morning.
	It's my gym.
	Hey You is the good gym song to get pumped up for a good set.
	Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
	One of my turns. So, yeah.
	So people are saying, I'm not an expert, but I don't think pedophiles are murdering victims.
	I see pedos arrested all the time, usually sick, friendless losers.
	They do get arrested, and I don't know the situation.
	Obviously, maybe he is a solitary guy, but, you know, you don't want to pull up that thread until you know, right?
	I would say, or at least have some sense, right?
	And there are, of course, yeah, the Epsteins and so on.
	They're not as common, also highly protected.
	They have a lot of leverage and power, so...
	And look, I don't know what your life situation is, but I will very joyfully, not joyfully exactly, but happily make the offer.
	If you need money to talk to a lawyer, just talk to me after.
	I'll send you the money. We'll sort it out.
	I don't want you doing anything that's dangerous.
	All right. Thank you for that offer.
	Oh, you're absolutely welcome. And let me know.
	Let me know. Oh, yeah, the tough talkers.
	Parasites will cowl when you get in their face.
	They only mess with the weak. Oh, man, you know, just don't say stuff like this, man.
	You know, just this is a stupid and dangerous thing to say, my friend.
	Like, I'm sorry. I'm glad that you're listening to this, but you've got to stop doing stupid shit that's going to get people hurt or could get people seriously hurt.
	Okay, so this idea that, oh, you know, you just all use confront the tough guys and they crumble and blah, blah, blah.
	Yeah, okay. What if they don't?
	Because that does happen, you know.
	People go up and start messing with guys and put them in a corner where there's nothing to lose.
	And you're gonna, you know, you should really stop saying stupid shit and tell people to get proper advice, okay?
	So... I'm sorry.
	Yeah, just don't... The people who are like, you should do this, you should...
	Forget it. No, forget it.
	No, don't listen to anyone like that.
	They are not helping you at all.
	And they don't have any sense of empathy for how difficult and dangerous the information they're putting out into the world is.
	And maybe they just like to see people fight or whatever.
	But anyway, so... Yeah, you've got to get a bunch of legal advice.
	Because what you have to do when you're considering engaging in any kind of battle, when you're considering engaging in any kind of battle, everybody thinks about what you're going to do.
	Oh, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that.
	But this is something, this is the stupidest thing in the world, and I'm sorry for trivializing everything you're going through, but it's an important principle.
	So, when I... I was young and I was pretty good at tennis.
	I competed. And I had a tennis coach who said to me, every tennis player who doesn't do well has the same characteristic.
	All they do is focus on their own shot.
	Oh, I want to hit it over here. Oh, I want to hit it there.
	Oh, I missed that shot. I'm mad.
	Oh, that was a great shot. I'm happy.
	Oh, I got to practice my shots. And all they do is they're just basically focusing on what they do, what they do.
	And they never win. Because all it takes is for someone to...
	If you're that kind of player, this solipsistic, narcissistic, in a sense, player, you're only thinking about yourself, all that happens is there's shots you're good at and shots that you're bad at.
	And when you come across someone who really focuses on you rather than themselves, they'll beat you every time.
	Because they'll say, oh man, well I love it, and he walks backwards, he loses his balance, and then I can hit it to the net, and they just keep hammering you.
	They look at you, not themselves.
	They look at what you're bad at, and how you play, and that's how they win.
	And it really, it was one of these life lessons that just sort of sunk into my bones.
	Because you're sitting there, oh, you know, I should have punched this guy, I should have, I should do, maybe I should go to the cops and so on, okay.
	But what you have to do If you want to win any of these kinds of conflicts, you have to look at what the other people are going to do.
	What are the other people?
	What is this guy going to do?
	Now, again, I can't answer that for you because I don't know him and I don't know the situation.
	But if you talk to a lawyer who's had experience with this kind of stuff, he'll say, okay, well, this is the kind of stuff you can look about.
	Remember, you're on, you know, you're on your privileged conversation, right?
	Solicit a client privilege, lawyer client privilege.
	So it's a privileged conversation.
	But if he's prosecuted this kind of stuff before and knows this kind of stuff before, he can give you a sense of the potential blowback.
	So you really, you know, when you're in a battle with the world, If you just look at yourself, you'll lose every time.
	And I'm not saying that's what you're doing.
	I'm more to the other guy who's like, well, just go do this.
	It's like, no, no, no.
	Figure out what the other people are going to do.
	Figure out what the blowback is.
	Figure out what's going to come at you sideways.
	Figure out every possible way that they could try and get you and be prepared and be aware and try and shore up your defenses.
	And this is something that you have to do slowly and patiently.
	And all the people who just say, oh, just rush in and focus on what you're going to say, it's like, you'll lose every time.
	You'll lose. Because listen, the bad guys, like this creep, this hebophile, right?
	The bad guys, they're very good at figuring out what you're going to do or rather what you're not going to do.
	So this guy, they call it grooming and all they're doing is, and I hate that word.
	Somebody mentioned that in the chat.
	I hate that word as well. Yeah, somebody said, does he have any dirt on you?
	Did you commit any crimes with him?
	I don't think that would be the case if he was a kid, right?
	But yeah, you do have to try and figure out, could he pay some Chinese bot farm to produce negative information about you that's untraceable?
	I mean, there's just so much.
	Could he dox you? Like, there's so much that could be...
	Could he make up a crime that you committed with him?
	Maybe he committed a crime.
	Maybe he did something really bad.
	And then he says, oh, no, we did it to get...
	Like, there's so many things that could happen, right?
	There's so many things that could happen.
	And you are not... I mean, I hate...
	Well, we'll get to that in a sec, right?
	So just be aware of what can happen.
	And if you're just focusing on your own game, you're going to lose.
	You've got to focus on the other person and so on, right?
	So, let me pause my sort of thoughts, because, you know, your story is what we're really tracking here, what's really, really important.
	So, what else has been going on?
	You said you've got the fetish and the sex addiction and so on, and you understand why, right?
	It's the R-selected provocation of hypersexuality as a child, but do you know what I mean when I say R-selected?
	Sorry, I keep thinking everyone's wanting all these presentations.
	Yeah, no, I hear you say that, but I'm not sure exactly.
	So, R selected versus K selected.
	K stands for carrying capacity, so to speak.
	So, if you think of a field, there are a bunch of mice and a bunch of rabbits, and they basically will have compulsive sex, have as many babies as humanly possible, and put very little effort into raising their babies.
	If you look at something like an owl or a fox or a wolf, they have much fewer offspring than But what they do is they train their offspring considerably.
	And so if you think of a rabbit, the rabbits will breed until they starve.
	This happened in Australia.
	It's happened in a bunch of other places. They just breed it like you get rid of all the natural predators and the rabbits will just breed until they starve.
	So they just reproduce without any sense of restraint or limitation.
	They just sex, sex, sex, reproduction, reproduction, reproduction, and just eat, eat, eat, and it's a pretty low rent, low intelligence, and generally the less intelligent creatures tend to be more R-selected.
	K-selected is when you put a lot more investment into your offspring, and you have to hunt, you have to work together as a team, you have to work together as a pack, you have to have a pair bond.
	Rabbits don't have to have a pair bond because you just have the babies every, what, eight weeks or whatever, and you just nurse them for a couple of days and off they go, right?
	You don't care what happens to them.
	But if you're a wolf, you have to pair bond.
	You have to train your offspring.
	You have relatively few of them. They tend to be more complicated, more complex, more intelligent creatures.
	And this is to a large degree the difference between the left wing, which is R-selected, and the right wing, which is K-selected.
	It's the difference between socialism, which is R-selected, and capitalism, which is K-selected.
	And so when you are exposed to sexual stimuli at a very young age, it triggers an R-selected response.
	In the same way that if you are without a father, When you're young, that triggers an R-selected response.
	In other words, there's not much parental investment.
	I just got to have a lot of sex.
	Pair bonding isn't going to work for me because the best reproductive strategy when you cannot control the outcome is simply mass reproduction.
	Rabbits, they can't plant grass, right?
	They can't farm, and they can't protect themselves against a hawk or a wolf or a fox or an owl or anything like that.
	The rabbits just, they eat and they fuck.
	That's all they do.
	They're just like Pac-Man shitting babies.
	That's all they eat and they fuck, right?
	And they can't control the outcome.
	If you think of a wolf pack hunting, they can control the outcome.
	Not perfectly, but they can certainly have a big influence on it, depending on how well they train their kids, how well they hunt, how well they coordinate, how well they plan, all that kind of stuff, right?
	So the more control you have over the outcome, the more incentive you have to pair bond, to defer gratification, to have fewer kids, but to train them more, and that's K-selected.
	And that's civilization, right?
	That's civilization. That's modern deferral of gratification civilization.
	Are selected. You can't control the outcome.
	And because you can't control the outcome and you can't protect your children, this is why wolf pups are very few in number compared to rabbits.
	Rabbits are just the old thing, breed like rabbits, right?
	Because they can't control whether the rabbit gets snatched by an owl or a fox or something like that.
	They can't fight back or anything. So they just have a whole bunch of kids and they will expand until they run out of food.
	Mm-hmm. What can they do?
	Well, the food is available pretty much year-round.
	What can they do?
	Well, they may have some minor protections against lions and tigers or whatever or, you know, not really much against sharks, but they can't protect themselves against crazy storms and they can't protect themselves against disease.
	They don't have any antibiotics.
	They don't have any vaccines or anything like that.
	So they can't protect themselves.
	And so when you're in an abundant environment where you can't protect yourself from predation or disease, your best reproductive strategy, and they've worked on this mathematically for many, many years, it's very much true, your best reproductive strategy, no pair bonding, crazy amounts of sex, lots of babies, good luck.
	That's what it all comes down to.
	Whereas if you are in a scarcity environment, Like, there's more grass for the rabbits than there are rabbits for the wolves, right?
	So when you're in a scarcity environment, you have fewer kids, you pair bond, you defer gratification, and you coordinate, and you hunt, and you have control over the outcome, and you need a more complex brain to do that, which is why the colder climates in general outside the Arctic Circle and all the colder climates where you can do something.
	About what's going to kill you.
	So you don't face nearly as many parasites and bacteria and bugs and viruses because the winter kills them off to a large degree, right?
	So disease isn't quite as bad, except if you've had any contact with anything that's ever had any contact with China, which is the case throughout most of human history.
	Almost all the plagues have come from China, right?
	But what you can do fundamentally is you can plow, you can plant, you can reap, you can pickle, you can store for the winter, you can convert into bread, you can build...
	Habitation and warmth against the cold.
	So there's a lot that you can do to protect yourself from what's going to kill you.
	It's not the case in the tropics, because again, you've got big giant predators, you can't really fight them off, and you have parasites and bugs and bacteria which is going to kill like one scratch and you're probably dead, right?
	Right. So you like...
	So like if you're in a cold climate, if you don't cut wood for a year in advance, so it's season for winter, the people that don't do that die, right?
	Well, yeah, for sure. The people who don't plan for winter, who don't cure their meats, who don't pickle their, whatever they pickle and make jams, and who don't store food for the winter, they will die off.
	And this is one of the reasons why people in moderate to cold climates tend to have higher IQs is because simply the people with the lower IQs didn't make it.
	I mean, you can't plan for winter with an IQ of 75.
	Like you just can't.
	You're the grasshopper, not the ant, right?
	And so this is why one of the reasons why the Aborigines in 40,000 years in Australia, and I talked about this when I did the tour, almost no progress.
	Almost no progress whatsoever.
	Why would there be?
	There's no selection pressure for intelligence in a hyper-abundant environment.
	And the reason I say that socialism is our selected is socialism is based on money printing, which turns case-selected humans into our selected people.
	Because with money printing, you get the sense of infinite resources, just like the rabbit does, just eat and fuck and eat and fuck, right?
	And so for you, it's not a moral failing.
	It's not a moral flaw.
	It's not like you're a bad person.
	It's just that your genes have constantly scanned or your nature, your personality has constantly scanned the environment because we don't know when we're born.
	As human beings, we don't know what the hell we're being born into.
	We have no idea what we're being born into.
	Are we being born into war or peace?
	Are we being born into famine or plenty?
	Are we being born into disease or health?
	Are we being born into a cold climate, a warm climate?
	We have no clue. So when we're born, our...
	Reproductive capacity is scanning the environment, just scanning the environment all the time and saying, okay, what's my reproductive strategy?
	Now, if there's father absence, then what happens is your reproductive strategy is, oh, shit, parents are gone, which means one of two things.
	Either there's war, in which case, if there's war, there's not much point having a pair bond and investing heavily in my children because most likely some of those kids are going to die, right?
	So you just don't invest that much in them.
	So either there's war or we just live with such abundance that dads don't need to stick around for their kids because the mom can just go and get bananas or can go with a net and catch fish in the bay or, you know, they can pick fruit or whatever.
	It's not complicated to get food, so you don't need dads around.
	Now, moms can't survive without dads in a colder climate because they've got to chop the wood and you've got to build the habitats, you've got to go and hunt and all those kinds of crazy stuff, right?
	So... I just need you to understand because we'll look at these kinds of things and we say, oh my gosh, I'm a sex addict.
	It's like, no, you're not.
	You're not a sex addict.
	In my opinion, you are selected and that's not your fault and doesn't mean it's permanent.
	I was born in an R-selected environment as well.
	I mean, there's things that you can do mostly around philosophy to change all of this, but it's not a personal failing.
	If you grew up without enough protein and you ended up being short, you wouldn't sit there and say, oh my God, I can't believe my personal moral failings have made me short.
	No, you were born and you saw women able to kick out their husbands, women able to kick out their providers.
	That signals to your body that you're in an R-selected environment, that you can survive.
	And there's no point bonding with the mom.
	And there's no need to bond with the mom of your kids.
	There's no need to bond with women.
	Because your mom survived just fine, never bonding with a man.
	So that tells you that you're in a situation of chaos, unpredictability, and abundance.
	There's war, there's famine, there's war, there's disease, or something like that, but there's abundant resources.
	There's no predation that you can do anything about.
	And so you don't have personal failings.
	You don't have a moral shortcoming or anything like that.
	You simply were in an environment that pushed every single R-selected button that could be found.
	And I'm telling you, this is not even my theory, and I've got a whole series on this called Gene Wars, G-E-N-E Wars.
	Just go to fdrpodcasts.com, FDR, Free Domain Radio, fdrpodcasts.com, and just...
	Look up Gene Wars.
	There's four of them and I think an extra interview.
	And it goes through all the data.
	It's got all the sources. You can look it on Library, on Bitchute, other places as well.
	And this will help you to understand.
	It's not like, oh my gosh, I've just become some weird, crazy sex addict and so on.
	It's like, no, that's... We don't look at a rabbit and say, oh my god, that rabbit is a dysfunctional, sex-addicted rabbit.
	We say, no, the rabbit is simply pursuing the most rational and reproductive strategy based upon the environment.
	And... Nothing that was in your childhood was controllable.
	And when we can't control the outcome, we don't invest in our offspring.
	When we can't control the outcome, we don't pair bond.
	Because the reason why we pair bond is to pour lots of parental resources into our children so that they become competent and skilled and successful.
	But if everything's chaos and if there's no need for pair bonding, it's a huge waste of resources.
	Just like if there's no need for an IQ over 80 to survive...
	Guess what? Nature won't build an IQ over 80.
	Of course not, right? I mean, why would it bother?
	Building a complex brain is very expensive, very time-consuming, and it provides a negative benefit.
	Like, it's a drawback for our selected environment.
	So, yeah, people are posting the links in the...
	In the chat. And yeah, the truth about Gene was our case selection theory.
	And so, sorry for the long speech, but I just want to make sure that you know that this is not a moral judgment issue.
	Because you were exposed to particular stimuli.
	They know, for instance, that women or girls who grew up without fathers get their menses, get their menstruation hits significantly earlier.
	Significantly earlier. Why?
	Because the body is saying, oh my god, there's no dads around, which means either war or so many abundant resources that we can't control any outcomes, and so no pair bonding, lots of kids.
	So of course they're going to enter into puberty earlier as children.
	Because they have to...
	And R-selected also is involved with pedophilia in its sort of extrapolation or exaggeration of R-selection or whatever, right?
	But an R-selection, pedophilia is a way of reproducing R-selection because it interferes with the capacity to pair bond and it produces hypersexuality, which then further breaks bonds of other people.
	And, you know, it's this whole, like the cytokine storm.
	It's like the R-selected storm and has a lot to do with pedophilia as well.
	So there are specific physiological responses that occur in our selected environments.
	And so you had all of these signs and all of the environmental stimuli that would lead you down this path to our selection.
	So you have, of course, father absence, you have maternal aggression, right?
	So maternal aggression, you know, why is divorce rate in the Amish community 2%?
	The people thought, fools talk about female nature, like there's some nature that we have that's just immutable.
	And it's like, no, no, no, come on, that's ridiculous, right?
	It's like saying, well, people speak Japanese in Japan because of human nature.
	It's just their nature to speak Japanese.
	It's like, no, they just grew up with Japanese.
	It's the same thing with our selection, case selection, values, and all of that kind of stuff as well.
	So the reason why in the Amish communities the divorce rate is 2% or less is because the women really need their husbands.
	And because the women really need their husbands, they're much more likely to be reasonable.
	They're much more likely to thank and value their husbands, and the husbands need the women in order to transmit the belief systems of the Amish.
	And so, you are in a situation where women could be horrible and survive.
	Now, women being horrible and surviving is infinite resources.
	They don't need men.
	They can tell the men. They can throw plates at men.
	They can tell the men to fuck off every day.
	They can withhold sex. They can just be crazy, irrational bitches because they don't need the men to survive.
	And that, not needing the men to survive, communicates itself down to you and says, if you pair bond, you're toast.
	If you pair bond, you're doomed.
	Your genes will not survive if you pair bond, because you won't be able to pump out enough kids, right?
	So you look at the Jamaican culture or other cultures, the fatherlessness is kind of...
	And after the welfare state, we see people from our selected cultures and our selected environments...
	Become more promiscuous, have more kids out of wedlock and less pair bonding and that's just the way it is.
	So you had everything that I could think of happen to you to promote hypersexuality and challenges with regards to pair bonding.
	And it's physiological.
	It's physiological.
	It's the result of the welfare state.
	It's the result of money printing.
	Bitcoin is fundamentally case-elected.
	Bitcoin is foundationally and fundamentally case-elected.
	Why? Because it's a limited resource.
	Fiat currency is unlimited, at least until it all crashes, right?
	Rabbits expand until they starve to death, and democracies expand until they crash the economy.
	Right. I've actually witnessed that firsthand.
	A lot of people in my life, it was a bit of a poorer suburb, Australia has very generous benefits for having kids.
	I don't know if it's different if you're in a couple, but I think you can get more depending on your household income.
	Usually they punish the couples.
	In other words, usually what they do is they say, if there's a father in the house, Then you don't get as many benefits or as much benefits because they expect the father to...
	So they literally are driving the husband and the father out of the household.
	And that, of course, again, as I've said before, every situation or every proposal wherein it means that the fathers are out of the house, I assume is driven by wanting to pray upon children.
	I simply assume that and I've yet to see any particular...
	Counterpoint to that. But I'm so sorry.
	Go ahead. All right.
	So, I mean, the R-selected genes, then, I mean, could that account for my general impulsivity, like financial impulsivity?
	Well, sorry to be specific.
	It's not R-selected genes.
	It's epigenetics. And it's not...
	So your height is your height.
	It's kind of fixed when you become an adult.
	So it's a complex interrelationship between genes and environments.
	Genes get switched on or off depending upon the environment.
	And you can change your environment.
	So think of it more like a suntan.
	Is it genetic for you to have darker skin or lighter skin?
	Well, it depends how much sun you're getting.
	If you get a lot of sun, then you're going to get darker skin.
	If you get less sun, you're going to get lighter skin.
	So the genes are there to adapt to the environment just as you get darker skin so that you don't burn and you don't absorb too much vitamin D and all that.
	So, I don't want you to think of it like it's genetic, like, oh my god, these are my genes now, you know, and it's not, it is epigenetics, it is this relationship between genes and environment.
	If you change your environment, you change your thoughts, you change your mind, you can, I believe, change your, the manifestation of the epigenetics, so to speak.
	Right, okay. Sorry to do this, could I just take a 30 second break?
	No, no, that's totally fine. That's totally fine.
	We've been going for a while and that's fine.
	I will... Is IQ epigenetic or just genetic?
	Well, so IQ, the data, and I haven't looked on this for a while because of PTSD, but the...
	So IQ, by the time you're in your late teens, IQ is 80% genetic.
	And 20% is a lot to work with.
	That's the funny thing. Imagine if penis size was 20%, you could do exercises or whatever.
	I'd be doing them right now. Hang on.
	No, later, later. So IQ is, there are certainly genetic factors, at least this is what the data seems to show.
	But first of all, you have 20% to work with, which is a lot.
	Let me take a silly example, right?
	The 120% of 100 is the difference between 80 IQ points and 120, so to speak.
	It's a 40% spread, but 20%, even to say the difference between 90 and 110, it's a huge difference.
	Later, later. Got to give yourself some recovery time, man.
	No! I give myself no recovery time.
	100% self-ownership, 150% if necessary.
	All right, let me just see here. Ah, Dogecoin.
	Yeah, quite something, eh? Talk about memeing something into...
	Dogecoin, that's what, 75 billion?
	It's now the size of the Ford Motor Company or something?
	It's pretty wild.
	It's pretty wild. All right.
	Are you back? When you're ready. Yeah.
	All right. So, yeah. So, I just really wanted to point out that don't take your...
	Anatomy, so to speak, in your environment, which you had no control over, as some kind of personal failing or personal, oh, I have sex addiction, or I was like, no, I think that's just the way that the body is programmed by the environment, if that makes sense. And again, I say this so that you cannot attack yourself or feel bad about yourself or feel like you failed, but it's kind of inevitable.
	Right. Yeah, and I've corrected a lot of stuff, like I was super consumeristic, I guess, if that's a word, and just buying material goods to sort of fill voids.
	And I think I've corrected a lot of that stuff, and I'm a good saver now.
	But yeah, this... Yeah, I don't know how to find a woman to pair bond with.
	And like I said, two long-term relationships.
	Both of them were disastrous.
	And yeah, lots of sexual partners in there as well.
	Right. And so you've got to stop doing that because when I was in junior high school, I did a joke.
	For my high school, it was like an end of year show or before Christmas break show.
	And I did the cheese shop sketch with a friend of mine from Monty Python, which had me memorize a whole lot of cheeses.
	But I also did the sketch where a friend of mine and I were high up and there were three of us there, right?
	And... I said, hey, wow, it's a great view from up here on top of the CN Tower.
	I can see all of Toronto. Man, it's kind of chilly though.
	But hey, check this out.
	Check this out. There's such an updraft coming from the heat.
	It's the middle of summer. There's such an updraft coming from the heat that I'm going to show you something really, really cool.
	And I jumped off and I pretended to fly around the auditorium and then I jumped back up, right?
	And the guy's like, wow, that's a hell of an updraft.
	You just circle around and jump back up here.
	And I'm like, yeah, you should.
	I mean, it's really cool. You should try it.
	It's a once-in-a-lifetime kind of thing, right?
	And so the guy jumps off and falls to his death.
	And the other guy turns to me and says, you know, Superman, sometimes you could just be a real asshole.
	And the guy got in trouble for saying asshole.
	But anyway, it was worth it. And the reason I'm saying that is you can survive promiscuity as a man, but women can't.
	Now, convincing women that they're just like men and can survive promiscuity just like men is just a way of making all of society are selected, right?
	So, you can jump off and you can fly around and you can, oh, I had a lot of sexual partners.
	Oh, look, I can still pair bond.
	But not women. Women can't do that.
	Women can't do that. Nearly as well.
	At least not healthy women, I think.
	And again, I'm not saying more than one is basically the end of the world or anything, but the reason you've got to stop doing that is you're Superman and they're falling to their deaths, right?
	Yeah. Okay.
	As far as getting a woman to pair bond, so pair bonding is having Pair bonding is having a methodology to resolve your disputes other than willpower.
	I know this sounds like really abstract and all of that, right?
	But your parents had no capacity to resolve disputes, which is why your mom's throwing plates and why your dad is breaking in and smashing things up and so on, right?
	So when you have a disagreement with your girlfriend or your friends or for anything like that, What happens these days, and this is why people get triggered and they panic, and there's a sense of sliding off a cliff down to your chasmly death, and people have this terrible anxiety about disagreements, and people can't have disagreements, and they've got to ban people, and they've got to de-platform people, and you can't say this, and that's hate speech, and they have this terror of disagreeing.
	Because we've lost philosophy, we've lost rationality, we've lost reality, we've lost truth, we've lost negotiation and debate.
	So we have no way to agree or disagree with each other except escalation, abuse, aggression, violence, pouting, suckiness.
	Slamming doors, storming out, withholding sex, withholding money, being cold to something.
	All we can do is just manipulate and threaten and whine and complain and detach.
	So the pair bonding is we have a way of resolving our disputes that's not just personal willpower.
	And you can tell me if I'm wrong, but when you...
	Had disagreements with your girlfriends, what happened?
	It was the end of the relationship, basically.
	Which means there never was one.
	There never was one. Yeah.
	There never was one.
	So, if you have a methodology to resolve disputes, you can pair bond.
	You have an objective methodology to resolve the difference between science and a cult, right?
	And these days, science is basically just a fucking cult.
	I mean, I'll do this whole speech another time, but you have a bunch of terrorists running these international organizations funded by violent taxation and predation, and then these terrorists put out all these statements about health, and everyone has to toe the line with these terrorists, otherwise they get deplatformed.
	So it's not science anymore.
	It's a violent, abusive cult.
	Science has turned into a violent, abusive cult.
	And you can have science or you can have government science.
	You cannot ever have both.
	It's settled science. Like, that's not even close to how science works.
	The great thing about science is it's true whether you believe it or not.
	Science is a continual process of refining the pursuit of truth.
	It's like an asymptote.
	It's really tough to get close because when you get close enough to measuring the truth about science at the atomic level, then everything you measure changes the outcome.
	So you can never get it exact, right?
	So this idea that it's settled science, God, it's so retarded, so unbelievably fucking stupid that the people have lost completely the great treasure of the Western civilization, which is a respect for the scientific method.
	It's a method, not a conclusion.
	It is a method, not a fucking rubber stamp.
	On terrorist lockdowns.
	Anyway, that's another sort of thing.
	Yeah, Neil deGrasse Tyson does...
	Oh, it's science is true whether you believe in it or not.
	It's like, science is not a cult.
	Science doesn't just get to stamp things as true no matter what.
	I mean, my God. I remember when scientists said thalidomide was fantastic for treating morning sickness, turned out to produce massive amounts of baby mutations.
	I remember when scientists said that smoking was good for you.
	And then when they said, well, it may not be good for you, but it certainly isn't bad for you.
	I remember when... Scientists 150 years ago thought that the blood sat in your body like a fucking bag of milk holds milk and didn't even circulate.
	Oh, my gosh. Just this idea that, oh, no, we're done.
	This is settled science, especially, oh, yeah, the temperature in 100 years, totally settled science.
	You know what's settled science?
	Fucking IQ. But you can't talk about that because, anyway, yeah, science is settled is, hey, do you like your Twitter account?
	Be a shame if something happened to it, right?
	Yeah, so actually my sister, we had a group chat and she left because she was like, I'm sick of all these conspiracy theories.
	And I have a biology degree.
	Oh, okay. Right, right.
	So, yeah, I'm a respecter of science, I guess.
	But yeah, so I've been a lockdown COVID skeptic basically from the beginning.
	It was kind of like feeling it out at first.
	You know, we're supposed to see if it was actually airborne AIDS. Like they were saying.
	But, yeah, then I've said, oh, cool.
	So now we know PCR tests are bullshit if there's no clinical presentation.
	The masks barely work, if at all.
	Sorry, to be specific, the PCR tests aren't bullshit if you want to dial up and down the pandemic, though.
	Like, if you want to dial up the PCR test and magically create cases, you can do that.
	If you want to dial it down, you can do that, too.
	It's perfect. This one goes up to 11.
	It's just, you know, dial it up and down, man.
	That's good for the state, but she left and I was mocking her and saying, trust the science, Galileo, we all know that the universe revolves around Earth, that sort of thing, just to expose the hypocrisy.
	But yeah, she doesn't get it.
	She has sort of distanced herself from me and my family.
	Well, yeah, so, I mean, women and disagreements is a whole other topic, but, no, and I said the story once before, but I'll just mention it very briefly here.
	A friend of mine, his wife had agreed to take his name, and then she had, like, the day after they got married, she had this feminist spasm, and she's like, you know what, I'm not going to, I thought about it, and I really, I'm not going to take your name.
	And he said, no, you're taking the name.
	And she said, don't you bully me.
	I said, well, bully you?
	I'm quoting back the agreement we had before we got married.
	It's one of the reasons I married you, is you made this agreement.
	If I'm bullying you, then is it bullying when you buy a car and they send you a bill?
	Is it bullying when the restaurant demands you pay for your meal?
	No, you made a commitment. You said you're going to take my name.
	And this is foundational to the marriage.
	Now you're probably trying some power play because now I've married you and now the power has kind of shifted to you, but it's not going to happen.
	The way that we resolve our disputes is with reference to our prior commitments.
	Like, I can't just say next week, you know what, I know that we said we're going to be monogamous.
	I've just decided I'm not going to be monogamous.
	We don't get to make those changes.
	We said our vows to each other, and the agreement was that you take my name, you agreed to that, and that's what we're going to do.
	Now, if there's something that we really want to change, we can obviously negotiate about it, but you don't get to just unilaterally change the marriage because you have a feeling or a thought.
	You had a commitment, and I expect you to keep it.
	Right? And she agreed.
	And the marriage has worked out really well.
	Because, you know, you don't get to just swap things in and out and change things.
	It's a commitment. It's empirical.
	It has to be empirical. It has to be objective.
	And you can't just sort of make things up.
	Like, you know, you can't just say, I'll buy the iPhone for $1,000 and then they give you the iPhone and you just throw $100 down on the table and say, I've changed my mind.
	Right? Come on, Mike. It's just funny.
	So it's not about the name in that case.
	It's about the dispute, is it?
	Well, it's not fundamentally about the name.
	But if you say to someone, if we get married, I will take your name, you can't change your mind after the fact.
	I mean, that's not how deals work.
	You can't sign and say, I'll pay $200,000 for this house and then just send them 50 bucks and say, I think we're done because I changed my mind.
	This is life. This is how you make your commitments right now.
	I mean, if you say, oh, I'd like to go maybe to the mountains for a vacation and then somebody wants to go, you know, negotiate all of that stuff.
	But yeah, it's about...
	The commitment. And how am I supposed to trust you if the first day we married, you just don't want to take my name anymore?
	Come on, we already dealt with this.
	It's not worth it. We've already done this now.
	If there's other things you want me to commit to or whatever it is, but if you change your commitment, I can change mine.
	And then the whole marriage just gets whittled away bit by bit.
	It's not worth it. And yeah, she was just trying to flex.
	She was just trying to see if she could get away with something because she now had the ring on her finger and had more power and He put paid to that pretty quickly, which I think was a sensible thing to do.
	Right. Makes sense. So you just have to have an objective methodology for resolving disputes.
	And if you have that, you can pair bond.
	And if you don't have that, it will never last.
	Or God help you if it does last, because it's even worse than it failing.
	Right. Well, yeah, so I guess I always, well, I don't know, always, the two times I've been in a serious relationship, I just, whenever there's issues, I'm constantly thinking about sex with other women.
	Right. Right, right.
	So you want to go and just get your rocks off with someone else because you don't have a methodology for resolving disputes, right?
	Yes. But, I mean, these weren't relationships worth saving, to be honest.
	Right. So, I mean, what you do is you say, and this is going to blow people's minds because it's pretty obvious when you see it in hindsight, but what you do is you say on the first date, You know, if you like the woman, like if it's not one of these dates where I gave up on a friendship once.
	I literally ended the friendship immediately because I was single and he's like, oh, I know this great girl, man.
	She used to be a figure skater and she's really smart and blah, blah, blah.
	Great sense of humor. And you had me at figure skater.
	Everybody's got their thing, right? Anyway, so it turns out she was a figure skater, but that was about 250 pounds ago.
	Like, over and above the 110 she was when she was a figure skater.
	And she was, like, just morbidly obese, right?
	And, you know, I'm a gentleman.
	I took her out.
	We had dinner. We went to a jazz club.
	We chatted. And she was.
	She was pretty funny. But I can't date an obese woman.
	I can't do it.
	I'm way too active.
	I'm way too energetic.
	I'm way too love sports.
	I'm way too want to be an active parent.
	I'm way too... And I can't... I just, it's a complete radical turnoff for me, right?
	So, and so I just said to my friend, yeah, he said, oh, how did the blind date go?
	I said, the blind date was terrible.
	And yeah, we're not friends anymore.
	He's like, what are you talking about? Why would you break up with me?
	Because you didn't like the girls. Like, you don't have any clue what I like.
	I've known you for years. You don't have any clue what I like.
	And it's kind of an insult, right, to set me up with someone like that.
	So it's not, it's not good.
	It's not good. No, I can't.
	I can't do it. I just, I can't.
	And the torture that obese people have in relationships to their own bodies, you know, this, yes, queen, slay the day, bullshit.
	I mean, they're absolutely...
	I remember there was a Drew Carey show.
	Drew Carey, before he sold his soul to go and preach bullshit on The Price is Right, he had a sitcom and there was just this absolutely tortured thing he had about being overweight and it's like, oh my God, it is such a brain pretzel for overweight people with their relationship to their bodies and all that.
	It's crazy. So on your first date, if you like the girl, if it wasn't one of these, oh, she's 400 pounds, so I'll just, or 350 or whatever, I'll just get through the dinner and, you know, have a pleasant conversation and then move on.
	But if you like the girl, then you say up front, you say, you know, we're going to disagree.
	We are going to disagree if we like each other.
	We're going to disagree. So the question then becomes, how are we going to resolve our disagreements?
	Right. How are we going to resolve our disagreements?
	That's the only question that matters.
	It's the only question.
	Like, when it comes to my books on anarchy, right?
	When it comes to Anarchy and practical anarchy, everyday anarchy, all my books are about how do we resolve disputes?
	How do we resolve disputes? Because the state is not a methodology for resolving disputes because the state is just will, just will and force, right?
	It's just a dysfunctional relationship in its essence.
	So you say, we're going to disagree.
	How do we resolve our disagreements?
	Well, what if one of us has made an ironclad commitment?
	Are they expected to keep it?
	Well, yes. Assuming, like, assuming no, you know, if you say I'm going to pick you up at five and you break your leg or something, okay, whatever, that's an excuse.
	But, you know, if you say I'm going to take your name if we get married, then you've got to take your name.
	You've got to take the guy's name when you get married.
	That's just the deal, right? It's not like it's going to break your leg to not do it, right?
	So what you need is we're going to just, how are we, so how are we going to resolve our disputes?
	It has to be commitments is one of the things.
	With reference to facts is another thing that's really, really important.
	And this was, my friend said, it was reference to a fact that she said she was going to take his name.
	So that was a fact and it was a commitment and she, you know, they'd already had the whole discussions and then she just wanted to arbitrarily change it in a one-sided way and he wasn't going to have that and good for him, right?
	And she respected him and, you know, whatever, right?
	So how are you going to resolve disputes?
	Maybe it's taking turns.
	Maybe it's taking turns.
	Maybe there could be any number of things that you can resolve disputes.
	Facts, reason, evidence, a third party.
	It could be a marriage counselor.
	It could be basic principles of empathy.
	It could be whatever can't be universalized is never a good reason.
	Never a good basis for resolving conflicts.
	Whatever can't be universalized, right?
	This is back to if my daughter would make a commitment to me and then would break the commitment to me, I'd say, oh, is that what we're doing now?
	We're doing this in the family. We're just breaking, like I can make a commitment to you and then I can just break it.
	I can say, you know, we're going to get up in the morning and we're going to go and have pancakes, right?
	And then you wake up in the morning all excited to have pancakes and then I'm like, nah, I don't want to.
	I don't feel like it. She's like, oh, but dad, you said, right?
	Okay. So, you've got to have a methodology for resolving disputes.
	And if breaking promises, you know, this is what my friend said to his wife, right?
	He said, oh, I can just make the marriage polygamous tomorrow?
	And she's like, no. Well, why not?
	And then she got it, right?
	Because she, you know, they made a commitment that the marriage was based on.
	So whatever can't be universalized is a pretty bad way to pretend to resolve disputes, right?
	Generally, with resolving disputes, one person gains power and the other person is humiliated in most relationships.
	One person intimidates and the other person retreats, and then they call that a compromise.
	And I remember it, yeah, in one relationship that was one of these frustrating relationships that was both a lot of fun and then just dysfunctional at times, just like unpredictable ways.
	It was the case that I was just generally trying to be the nice guy, and I say this with a certain amount of self.
	Self-impatience, right? And impatience for the culture that never taught me any of this nonsense.
	Or taught me all of this nonsense and never taught me the truth.
	And I was like, you know, one day I'm like, you know, if she just starts to say how things should be and this is what she wants and this is how it's going to be, I said, you know what?
	I'm just going to push back.
	And if she raises her voice, I'm going to raise my voice.
	And if she starts wagging her finger, I'm going to start wagging my finger.
	And we just rode all the way up.
	Rode all the way up. And then the relationship ended thereafter because I'm like, okay, well, if my only choice here is to be the piece of paper and you fold them together, my only choice is to be the piece of paper that goes underneath, forget that.
	I had that my whole childhood.
	I'm not going to have that as an adult.
	Forget it. So, pair bonding is philosophy.
	Pair bonding is an objective methodology for resolving disputes.
	And of course, this is why people are so pissed off at all these lockdowns.
	There was no debate. There was no big, you know, of all the things that we would have to debate, you know, people have now spent on average 1.4% of their lives locked down.
	And there was no debate.
	Or when it came to the election and the perception of the stolen election in 2020 in America in November, there was no debate.
	Anybody who questioned it was simply a shutdown.
	Everyone who goes against this constantly shifting narrative is just shut down.
	Even people who quote back the CDCs or the World Health Organization statistics get shut down.
	And so, yeah, there's no methodology for resolving dispute in society, which is why chaos is coming.
	And some sort of breakup from the past is coming.
	So the first thing you do, if you like the girl, you say, hey, we're going to disagree.
	You and I are going to disagree.
	And we're going to both feel very strongly that we're in the right.
	How are we going to resolve it?
	Now, what a great discussion to have on a date, don't you think?
	I mean, I tell you, that's romantic AF. That is super sexy.
	How are we going to resolve? Because if you can figure out how to resolve disputes, then what you can do is you can trust someone.
	You can trust someone.
	Now, maybe she says, well, we're going to resolve disputes according to reason and evidence and prior commitments, right?
	And then you have a dispute and she throws all of that out of the window.
	Okay, well, just break up with her.
	I mean, point it out or whatever and say, you know, we said, wait, we said we're going to resolve things according to reason and evidence and you're just escalating and yelling.
	So, which is it?
	And she's like, oh my God, you know what?
	You're so right. That's a terrible habit.
	I apologize a million fold.
	Let's start again. Okay, maybe.
	Okay. But if she's just like, well, no, but I'm frustrated.
	It's like, okay, there was no asterisk there, right?
	I mean, no contract I've ever signed has an asterisk that says, okay, well, I do owe my cell phone company this amount of money every month for this amount of data, unless I'm frustrated, in which case I can just, you know, send them a steaming pile of dog shit in the mail, right?
	There's no asterisk there called, well, I have these standards and these values and these virtues, unless I'm frustrated, in which case they all go out the window, right?
	You just can't, you can't be with someone like that because you can't trust them because they have no Respect for that which maintains peace and reason in a relationship.
	Pair bonding is...
	Philosophy. Pair bonding is empiricism, reason, and objectivity.
	So I just wanted to...
	Yeah, yeah. We'll provide you internet access unless we're frustrated.
	Comcast corporate policy.
	That's right. That's right.
	That's right. We would never accept.
	It's funny how we accept things in our personal relationships.
	We wouldn't even accept from a fucking pizza parlor, right?
	We will send you your pizza in 30 minutes or less or unless we're frustrated.
	You know, we're trying to find your place.
	It's a little tough to find. We're just going to go eat it and go home, right?
	Does that make sense? Yeah, so I guess I've always skipped this legwork going on dates.
	It's like I'm willing to overlook anything just to get some snizz.
	I don't think that's true, and I'm sorry to just – you just started talking, and I'll keep this really brief because I don't want this to be all about me yammering on.
	No, no, you – You've got the...
	You probably K-selected in your essence, but you had so much R-stimuli that you've got this fantastic cosmic battle going on in your system.
	You absolutely want to ask those questions.
	You absolutely want to ask these questions of a date.
	But I'll tell you who doesn't want you to ask these questions.
	Do you know who doesn't want you to ask these questions?
	I don't know. Is it my mother or something?
	Well, I guess we're beating the bushes now.
	But yeah, of course.
	I tell you, man, there's no bigger enemies in your life.
	You think the enemies are all out there and it's all, you know, the government and the Twitters and all the enemies out there.
	Yeah, yeah, they're out there for sure.
	But the real enemies in your life, the real enemies in your life happiness are the people who fucked up and won't admit it because they desperately need you to fail.
	They desperately need you to fail.
	And if you succeed where they failed, if you succeed where your parents have failed and they're not self-aware, they will really sabotage you every, every, every chance they get.
	It may be unconscious and blah, blah, blah.
	It doesn't matter, right? In fact, if it's unconscious, it's even worse.
	People who have fucked up and won't admit it are the most dangerous people to have around in your life, bar none.
	Because you think they're your friends.
	You think that they love you.
	You think that they want the best for you.
	But they don't.
	You know, when I almost married the wrong woman, There's nobody who claimed to care about me in my life from that time who has anything to do with me now.
	Straight up, man. Because these are people who've known me for decades and I was going to marry the wrong woman.
	And they were like, oh yeah, you know, we'll come to the wedding.
	Oh, that's a lovely ring. You should definitely buy that one.
	Oh yeah, no, it's going to be great.
	Let's help with the cards.
	Holy shit, they were just walking me off the fucking plank.
	They were feeding me to the sharks, which is kind of an insult to being fed by sharks because at least that shit's over quickly and doesn't involve family court.
	There is not one single person who was in my life in that time of my life.
	I have nothing to do with them anymore.
	Not any of them, not one.
	Because either A, they claimed to care about me but didn't have any clue what was right or good for me.
	Or B, they knew it was going to be a disaster and they were helping me Get there.
	Either way, fuck it.
	No way. Life's too short, man.
	Life's too short.
	So you definitely want to, and I say this to everyone out there, you want to ask these sensible questions.
	You absolutely, but there's lots of people around you who don't want you to succeed.
	I would like to see the alternate universe where that marriage happened.
	You, my friend, are a sadist.
	I'm only half kidding. I'm only half kidding.
	So you feel this resistance to asking these questions.
	Oh, it's because I want to get laid.
	No, it's not. No, it's not.
	Look, if you want to get laid...
	Come on, guys.
	I know getting laid is a big thing.
	It's a wonderful thing. It's a great thing.
	It almost makes up for taxes, right?
	So getting laid is a great thing.
	But you and I know the best way to have the best sex is to have the best marriage.
	It's to have a woman you get along with, to have a woman you share values with, to have a woman you can be honest with and open with, to have fun with, where you're not constantly worrying about when you disagree or if you disagree.
	Well, you will eventually, right?
	What's going to happen? You're not working on eggshells.
	You're not manipulating each other.
	You're not bullying each other. You're not rolling over and resenting her.
	You're not submitting and getting angry later, secretly, silently.
	Everybody knows. And this statistically is true, that the people who are in happy marriages have by far the most sex of anyone.
	And so I want you to get laid.
	I want you to get laid on a regular basis and have mind-blowingly, toe-curlingly fantastic sex.
	And the best way to do that is to ask these questions, how do we resolve disputes, very early on in the dating relationship?
	And then hold her to it and hold yourself to it as well.
	So when you say, well...
	I don't ask questions that can lead to a happy pair-bonded relationship because I want to get laid.
	It's like, no, you don't. You don't want to get laid because otherwise you'd be asking these questions because that's the way you do it, right?
	Right. Yeah.
	I mean, my last relationship, I was willing to overlook her telling me that she had cheated on her last two boyfriends.
	And what do you know?
	She cheated on me. And then she called me a year after it ended and told me that she cheated on her new boyfriend twice.
	Because she's our selected, right?
	And so she's got our selected.
	So everybody's got the K-selected words, like the marriage vows and the K-selected.
	We're going to be monogamous. We're going to be exclusive.
	All the K-selected words.
	But if you've got that R-selected undertow, it's usually just a matter of time.
	She had an absentee father as well, by the way.
	And that's not causal.
	That's not causal. It's the fact that she's not processed any of it.
	She's not dealt with it. You never want to blame people for stuff that's beyond their control.
	It's really bad that she had an absent dad.
	It's not her fault. It's not her fault.
	It is her responsibility to deal with it, and that's what you're mentally doing tonight, stepping up and Talking about it, right?
	But yeah, you just ask these questions and that way you can test the water.
	So you get the principles, right?
	You get the principles. Oh yeah, reason, evidence, prior commitments, negotiation, debate.
	That's how we're going to resolve things. We don't bully, we don't raise voices, we don't intimidate, we don't withdraw, we don't punish, we don't name call because we're not 12, right?
	It's kind of an insult to 12-year-olds.
	My daughter doesn't do any of that and she's 12.
	Don't do any of that, right? And then you see if that's actually the case.
	So you at least get the principle.
	Because if you don't even have the principles, you can't hold people to anything.
	Oh, crap. I forgot to distribute goodies.
	All right. Let's throw out some big goodies here, baby.
	5,000! 5,000!
	5,000! That's just an echo.
	It's not 5 trillion. All right.
	So, yeah. Just ask that question.
	Now, if you ask that question, though, you're breaking with...
	The people who want to watch you fail.
	That's pretty tough. It's pretty tough to break with all the people who want to fail because most of those people are people we really wanted to please when we were kids.
	Right. Um, well, I guess, uh, my main problem I've been single for nearly three years.
	I haven't had a date for two and a bit and so pretty, pretty much by choice.
	Like I didn't want to, I wanted to sort of work on, work on these issues and, um, stop having sex.
	Although I was still having, um, casual sex with someone who I'm still sort of involved with.
	But I don't know where to meet people now because I'm off all of the dating apps because they're so vapid and shallow and I don't really go out.
	I'm not very confident about approaching women sort of thing.
	Yeah, I mean, I feel like a bit of Groundhog Day.
	It's not your fault or anything, but just where do I meet people?
	I mean, I just, you know, I mean...
	Find people who listen to this show, find people who think for themselves, find people in church who are Christians who have, you know, good sensible values, and they'll maintain those values even if they end up not religious, they'll still maintain those values and all that.
	Join a volleyball club.
	Yeah, successful mating strategy for internet dad.
	Yeah, well. But yeah, church is good.
	Philosophy groups would be good.
	You can, of course, become somewhat more prominent in the world.
	You can start a YouTube channel or wherever, someplace that's sane and moral.
	And You can meet people through that situation, just become more prominent, and maybe go to little conferences here and there when you can.
	There's lots of different things that you can do, but I just sort of feel like I've done this talk a bunch of times, and you could figure it out.
	You're a smart guy. You've got a biology degree.
	You could figure this stuff out pretty quickly, except that you're probably feeling kind of nervous about making mistakes, right?
	Yeah, and just, you know, I've never done the whole pick-up artist thing, so I'm not desensitized to approaching women.
	It's terrifying.
	So the pick-up artist stuff is an IQ test that makes sure that you shave off any woman of reasonable intelligence.
	So any woman of reasonable intelligence is going to out-game a man ad infinitum.
	Because women are born for game, men have to be trained into it.
	Women in terms of attracting men and finding the right man, they're hyper-tuned, hypersensitive, biologically tuned fork to the nth degree.
	They are past masters and mistresses of game.
	And so this running game thing, you know, like the negging, you know, like, you know, that haircut is short but kind of attractive.
	You know, it's like that negging stuff.
	Like any woman with any brains is just being like, oh, he's running some stupid scam here, right?
	Yeah. And so, the whole game stuff, I mean, just be honest and be yourself.
	The whole game stuff is just making sure that you get to stick your dick in dumb and dangerous women.
	It's really, it's Russian roulette, man.
	Sometimes even involving Russian women, I think.
	Yeah, the game stuff, just to be honest and direct in yourself.
	Yeah. I've had my fill on that, but I guess I'm wondering, how can I say I go to church?
	I'm not religious, but I've been thinking about going to church.
	No, but you're closer to religion.
	You're closer to religion than anything.
	I mean, by religion, I mean Christianity, right?
	So you're closer to Christianity than anything else in our society, right?
	So because you and I, I assume you accept universal values, universal truth, universal morality.
	So you're way closer to a Christian than you are.
	To anybody else?
	You're certainly closer to a Christian than you are to an atheist.
	Yes, I used to be an atheist, but I love the Bible now.
	So I would be willing to go there for the community aspect and stuff, though I don't necessarily believe in a deity.
	But, like, say you find some pure maiden at the church, how can I say, like, yeah, you know, you haven't been with someone or you've been with a couple people and I've been with...
	Do you not understand Christianity and the story of redemption?
	I'm not sure. Do you not understand?
	Do you remember the Billy Bush tapes back in 2016 where Trump was saying all these trashy things about women and so on, right?
	And of course, all the leftists thought Trump was done and I was like, no, he's not.
	No, he's not. Now, he'd be done if he was a leftist and they found something because leftists don't forgive.
	Leftists carry grudges like they can carry a grudge until it grows a beard.
	So leftists don't forgive, but Christians do.
	So the fact that you've done wrong in your life in no way bars you from Christian virtue, in no way bars you from the love of a good Christian woman.
	I mean, that's the whole point.
	The whole point is that we're born sinful and we're going to be tempted and we're going to fall.
	We're going to make mistakes. But that's the whole point of the redemption strategy.
	I mean, if Christ could forgive the people who drove him through the streets with whips and put crowns of thorns on his head and gouged him in the side and hung him up on a cross with nails, if he can forgive those people, you know, surely you can be forgiven for dicking your wick a few too many times, right?
	Right. So like she wouldn't think I'm tainted or...
	Disgusting or something like that.
	If she's a Christian, first of all, if she's a Christian, everybody's tainted.
	And I used to think that that was really, really abusive.
	And I can understand where that argument comes from because I made it myself.
	But what it does is it gives people humility and pulls them back from vengeance.
	One of the most famous stories, which doesn't make much logical sense of the Bible, is, of course, when they were going to stone the prostitute to death and Jesus said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
	Why do you judge the mote in your brother's eye while ignoring the beam in your own?
	Stop being such a judgmental asshole Karen and have some humility with regards to your own flaws and failings.
	And that extension of forgiveness and acceptance Is really important.
	Now, I didn't give it to your mom and dad, you know, and I was going to do a whole thing on forgiveness tonight, but I'll do it another time.
	I think I have finally figured out how to forgive my mom.
	I have finally, after God knows how many years, decades really, I finally figured out how to forgive my mom, and I'll talk about that another time.
	But with you, you have not initiated the use of force.
	You have not defrauded people of their life savings.
	You have not raped children.
	You have behaved with some culturally programmed callousness towards the sensitivities of others with their, I assume, fairly enthusiastic participation.
	But it's not an evil doing.
	You've made mistakes.
	I've made mistakes.
	I've made mistakes in dating.
	I've made mistakes with girlfriends.
	I hurt people emotionally.
	And... It doesn't mean that we're damned, because the standard of perfection is simply the pretext for abuse, right?
	People have these high standards just to abuse people.
	They don't have these high standards because they have these high standards.
	They have these high standards so that they can abuse people for violating them, right?
	So, no, you won't be...
	I mean, a good Christian woman would not perceive you, especially when she knows your history.
	You are a man far more sinned against than sinning, and forgiveness is the key.
	Okay. Well, I guess, so what denomination did you endorse?
	Like, because Catholicism seems pretty weird to me.
	Why? I don't know.
	I don't know, it just seems a bit more cultish and just, you know, like Cardinal Pell, allegedly, what he's done to boys.
	I find it very disgusting that people in that orthodoxy are cult.
	But you don't want to blame the voters for the government because the voters are kind of propagandized.
	And you don't want to blame the average Catholic for, you know, pedophiles in Catholicism, right?
	You know, like, I mean, there's a lot of politics, as you know, with homosexuality, right?
	So... In the past, the possibility that homosexual men, if left alone with post-pubescent boys, might Get up to no good was pretty well accepted.
	But then, of course, you know, what did they get sued into oblivion for not allowing gay scoutmasters?
	Because it was discriminatory, right?
	And then they allowed gay scoutmasters.
	And then what happened was the gay scoutmasters, unfortunately, some fairly small percentage, but not insubstantial, you know, molested boys.
	And then they got sued for that, too.
	And then they got destroyed, right?
	So, unfortunately, it's just using the...
	And, of course, they had to get destroyed because they transmitted Western Christian values to young boys, and you don't want any of that, so you've got to use the thin edge of the wedge of, unfortunately, a minority of predatory homosexuals or predatory hebo-philes to get in there and destroy the organization.
	But I wouldn't blame the Catholics for what some of the leaders in the Catholic Church have done, because they would have an answer, too, which is human beings are fallible.
	Okay. Yeah, I guess my thought was, oh, another thing.
	I listened to your Easter thing, presentation.
	Thing! I like thing!
	The example you used was going to a pet shop to buy a puppy because you had to kill it because you cheated on your wife.
	I thought, like, Catholicism, isn't it like you can kind of do wrong as long as you, you know, you go to confession and then it's like, oh, sweet, going to heaven?
	Well, but you do, of course, understand, or maybe you don't, I'm sure you do, but you understand that it's not, the Catholic Church doesn't grant you the absolution.
	It is God who grants you the absolution through the process of going to confession.
	But God knows whether you're doing it for bullshit reasons or not, right?
	Okay. So the methodology is like you go to the doctor to get your pills.
	You've still got to take them, right?
	And so the priest will say, you know, repent and be humble and apologize to those you've wronged and make restitution and so on.
	Okay, but you've got to do that stuff.
	You know, when you bang my knee up, some physiotherapist gave me some useless stuff.
	I tried it and it didn't work, but, you know, at least I tried it, right?
	You got to do the stuff.
	You got to pick up a diet book and change your diet.
	You got to pick up an exercise book and start to exercise.
	So it's not that they have wave a magic wand and you're suddenly all better.
	They will give you things that you have to do.
	It could be as simple as 10 Hail Marys.
	It could be something a whole lot more complicated and And difficult.
	But your final judge is God and he knows whether you're trying to pull a scam or whether it's real.
	Okay. That makes sense.
	Somebody says here, raised Catholic, never sympathized with the corrupt leadership and had less of a say than the average voter, right?
	Right, okay.
	And at least so, I mean, and you know atheism has just turned into me-ism, right?
	It's turned into me-ism and the cult-ism, right?
	So me-ism is...
	You justify virtue signaling and the pretend morals of conformity.
	You know, people think, oh, I'm conforming to the good.
	It's like, no, you're just praising your own cowardice for succumbing to groupthink, right?
	And this I made many, many years ago.
	This criticism of atheism is, okay, well, what are your rules?
	What are your rules? Oh, be nice.
	Come on, that's a bullshit rule.
	It doesn't mean anything. You know, it's like picking up a diet book for 40 bucks and inside it says, eat well.
	Yeah, okay. Good job, everyone.
	That's really, really clear. Exercise.
	So, you know, what are the rules?
	Now, you go to a Catholic, you go to a Christian, you go to a Pentecostal, you go to a Baptist, you go anything outside of the Unitarian nonsense.
	And it's like, okay, they've got rules, man.
	You've got to do stuff. You've got to be charitable.
	You've got to tell the truth.
	You've got to love your neighbors yourself.
	You've got to forgive. And these rules are tough, man.
	They're tough rules.
	They're hard. I mean, forgiveness, man.
	I'm 54. I'm still figuring it out.
	I mean, it's hard rules.
	But it's that very hard rules that, you know, if you need a guy to lift a car because it landed on your dog, you don't go to the guy who's working out with helium balloons.
	You go to the guy who's lifting, you know, 500 pounds.
	And if you want to be with someone who knows how to be good and knows that it's going to be tough and is able to forgive and knows that it's a hard and narrow path, yeah, you can't do much better than Christianity, as far as I can tell.
	Right. Somewhat predictably, my sister is an atheist nihilist.
	Yeah. She always bags on Christians and, like, she just kept doing it.
	So I was like, all right, fuck it. I'm buying a Bible.
	So I bought the Bible just to piss her off.
	And, you know, it's been very rewarding.
	Well, I mean, and of course, she doesn't talk about Islam.
	She doesn't talk about Judaism.
	She doesn't like none of that stuff, right?
	It's, oh, my gosh, I'm such a moral hero because I'm attacking the people who are commanded to love their enemies.
	Oh, wow. Aren't you brave, right?
	Yeah. Aren't you brave?
	100%. But if you have a good relationship with yourself, you will drive away bad people from you.
	They will flee you in droves.
	Because if you have a good relationship with yourself, you can't be manipulated.
	You can't really be bullied.
	I mean, there may be times where you have a tactical withdrawal in the big battle with the world and its evils, but If you have a good relationship with yourself, then bad people don't have much control over you.
	All they can do is frighten you, in which case you withdraw anyway, right?
	They can't control you in that way.
	All right. Yeah, so, I mean, on the topic of forgiveness, I do have to leave at 11.30, but...
	Oh, sorry, 30 minutes past my time.
	Okay, sorry, forget the forgiveness thing, because...
	What I do want to ask is if you have any thoughts about what you should do, as I said, I would circle back on this, what you would do with regards to the fellow you know who preys on kids.
	Right. Do you think I could call back another time as well?
	I feel we could have another conversation easily, so absolutely you're welcome to.
	Yeah. Okay, cool.
	Okay, so forget that one. Let's do the forgiveness thing because that other one is big.
	But yeah, you don't have to.
	It's his evil. But the question is, what can you live with?
	What can you live with? What can you live with?
	I wasn't even thinking about him.
	I was actually thinking about my parents because I have forgiven them, but I don't know if it's really been...
	I don't know if we've reckoned with what actually happened because we never really talked about Our childhood.
	And you know, like my mom sort of gassed us.
	Have they made any restitution?
	Well, they're both, you know, my mom changed suddenly.
	I don't know what it was, but she just became like a happy hippie.
	And, you know, we never really, it didn't feel like we had a conclusion on that.
	I don't know what you're talking about here, man.
	I'm sorry. I'm completely baffled.
	So you told your mom about the abuse you suffered.
	I don't just mean from the pedophile or the hippophile, but you told your mom about the violence and brutality at her hands and lack of protection that you experienced as a child, right?
	No. So we never really confronted her.
	She just kind of, like, changed, and then it's like, you know, like, she's a different person now.
	You can't forgive someone if they don't even know they've done wrong.
	Right? Right.
	I mean, if the government mailed you a pardon for a crime you didn't even know you'd committed, it wouldn't make any sense, right?
	Right. So, no, you've got to tell her.
	I mean, this honesty, right?
	Thou shalt not bear false witness.
	To be honest, you can't have a relationship without honesty.
	And being honest with your mom is, yeah, this happened.
	And you were in charge.
	And you failed me.
	And you half-ruined me.
	And you've got to know that.
	I mean, especially if you want to go and get pair-bonded with a nice lady and have kids and all that, holy shit, you can't let your kids around your mom if she doesn't even know what she did wrong.
	You can't have your kids anywhere near her, can you?
	No. I wouldn't leave them with her.
	No, no, but even you, because when you're around...
	Oh, God, do you remember the guy in the mall who scared you and bullied you and then your ex-girlfriend lost respect for you?
	What's going to happen with your kids if they see you lying and falsifying and being weird around your mom?
	Her having all the control, all the power, and silencing you?
	You'll lose every authority.
	I can't have my mom in my life because I don't want to see my daughter...
	I don't want my daughter to see me around my mom because I can't just wave all that, you know, 35 years away.
	It's going to have a huge effect on me.
	She needs to see me as an authority.
	And if she sees me bending the truth and not interrupting my mom because I'm afraid she's going to blow up and not contradicting my mom as she sees me flake out, that's terrible.
	I can't do that to her.
	My daughter, that is.
	Yeah, right.
	You can't say to your kids, tell the truth.
	And then lie to your mom by omission or commission, right?
	I mean, you can, but it's a disaster.
	And then your mom wins again and you lose and your kids lose and God, don't, no, no, don't do that.
	Don't do that. That's not winning anything.
	So you got to tell your mom the truth.
	Tell her the truth. Tell her everything that happened.
	Tell her every, and your dad too.
	If it's safe, it's physically safe to do so, right?
	I mean, but yeah, tell them the truth.
	My God. Do you mean even the sexual abuse stuff?
	Even, especially. Oh, shit.
	I know, I know, I know. I mean, it's brutal, but isn't that one of the biggest truths that you've withheld from that?
	Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how to begin crossing that bridge.
	Well, telling the truth is both very simple and very hard, right?
	Emotionally, it's hard. Physically, it's very simple.
	Just tell the truth. Mom, Dad, I've been holding something back from you, something that's going to hurt you, but it hurt me a lot more.
	And you were in charge, and you were responsible, and this is what happened.
	Wow. Yeah, that's intense.
	It is. But it's their shame and the guy who molested you.
	It's their shame, not yours. You understand?
	It's not your show. You just survived.
	You just tried to survive.
	You were just trying to survive.
	An incredibly dangerous environment.
	I mean, if you'd have gone to the authorities, even if you'd gone to your parents and they'd gone to the authorities, my God, what might have happened to you as a child could be straight up killed.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Right? So you were put in a murder orbit with a creepy, dangerous child molester.
	You were sent over to sleepovers.
	My God, I mean, I don't even know what to say.
	I mean, that's so outside the realm of anything sane or moral.
	But don't carry this as a you thing.
	It's not you. You're just trying to survive.
	You got to put all the shit where...
	It's not shameful to you.
	You understand? There's no shame on you.
	There's no shame on you.
	Because you kind of did tell, you told your stepsister, right?
	Oh, I'm a bisexual 12-year-old.
	Here's my boy. Come on, you told.
	You tried. You tried to get some help, to get some protection, to get some security.
	Right? Yes.
	It's not on you.
	It's not on you.
	Don't take the evil that people do to you as besmirching your soul one tiny, tiny bit.
	Not a tiny, tiny bit.
	The evil that people do to you when you're a child is 150% on them and nothing on you.
	So, if you feel shame, that's not rational.
	That's not healthy and it's not true.
	The shame is on the people who abuse children and allow that abuse to occur.
	The shame is not on the victims and it's never on the children.
	So, if you feel a hesitancy or a burden in telling your parents what happened to you as a child, which it was their job, their one job, most important job, was to prevent anything like that from happening to you as a child.
	They completely fucking failed and delivered you unto him to some degree.
	And he only preyed upon you because he knew that you wouldn't tell your parents.
	He knew that you weren't close to your parents.
	He knew that you had no one to go to.
	And that's on them. And so, if you feel hesitancy, it's because you feel either that you're burdening them with something black and foul that's somehow attached to you.
	It's not attached to you.
	It's attached to the guy who did it and to the people who failed to protect you.
	It's not attached to you at all.
	You can throw that like a fucking baseball.
	Like a big, flat, big, fat, black baseball, you could just hurl that and it doesn't stick to your hand and there's no residue.
	It's not yours. It was evil that was done unto you under the very noses of the people whose job it was to protect you.
	It's their failure and his evil and their collusion.
	It's nothing to do with you.
	You have about as much responsibility of that as my daughter does to the national debt.
	So give it to them.
	It's theirs. And that's justice.
	That's fairness. That's truth.
	That's reality. It's their failure.
	It's their fault.
	And it's his evil, the man who molested you.
	But it's not you.
	My God! You are to be praised for surviving this without turning into a monster.
	You are to be praised for not paying this forward in a way that reinflicts egregious harm on the innocent.
	But no, my God. Thank you.
	It's their burden.
	It's their burden. I mean, if a piece of mail came to you that was addressed to your mom, what would you do?
	Give it to her? Yeah!
	You'd give it to her! If somebody wrote a check to your mom but gave it to you, what would you do?
	Give it to her? You'd give it to her!
	If somebody mailed you medication that was going to save your mom's life, what would you do?
	Give it to her!
	It's all hers! It's hers!
	If you find something in your house, oh, this is my mom's.
	Okay, I'll give it to her.
	Right? You give people what's theirs.
	That's property rights.
	And property rights extend to history and morality even more so than a book or a pen.
	They own it.
	It's theirs! It's not yours.
	It went to the wrong address.
	They left it behind. Oops!
	You left your keys here.
	I'll bring them over. Oh, you left your phone here.
	I'll bring it over. I'm not going to keep it because it's not mine.
	I'm going to give you your stuff.
	Give you your history.
	Give you your choices. Give you the reality of your moral history.
	That's what I'm going to give you.
	The facts of what happened.
	Because somebody's got to carry this, man.
	Somebody's got to carry this.
	I don't care who it is fundamentally.
	I know it's not you.
	And who it should be is your parents.
	And then restitution from this.
	Oh, what do you want us to do now?
	I'll tell you. Mom and Dad, I will tell you.
	What I want you to do now.
	What I want you to do now.
	Is go and consult with a lawyer and pay for it and give me all the facts about what can be done legally now.
	That's what I want you to do.
	Because you will also be called as witnesses because, Dad, you remember when I was 22...
	Or 23, you said to me, hey, what was that creepy guy who was here?
	Some kind of pedo? You knew.
	Like, you will be called as a witness.
	You will be called for suspicions.
	You will be called as to how I ended up in this situation.
	You'll be part of this. So you've got to get the ball rolling.
	You've got to pay the bills. You've got to get the facts.
	That's what I want you to do. I want you to put some verbs in your empty apologies and actually go and do something about it.
	Oh, we don't want to.
	Okay, well, then don't ask me what you want me to do.
	Don't ask me what you want to do for you, right?
	Come on. Right.
	But it's not you, man.
	You're clear and pure as the driven snow.
	The evil...
	I mean, people will always screw with kids and try and get the kids to take the stain away from them.
	That's why they do it. This guy's self-hatred, his self-contempt, his own abuse, his own history, he attempts to pass it on to you, to stain you with it, so he feels a little lighter and cleaner, just making himself more dirty.
	And the greatest terror that evildoers have is you say, oh, I'm sorry, you left this shit here.
	Here it is. I'm sorry, you left everything here.
	You left with me what is yours.
	I'm giving it back.
	I don't like to keep what's not mine.
	That's not fair. That's not right.
	If you left a thousand dollars at my house, I wouldn't go and spend it.
	It's not mine. I would give it to you.
	I would give it to you. I don't keep what's not mine.
	That's stealing.
	Thou shalt not steal!
	You understand? Yeah.
	You don't steal responsibility from this child molester and your parents.
	You don't take what's not yours.
	That's a violation of thou shalt not steal.
	It's not giving to people.
	The respect... of the facts of their choices.
	Don't steal from your parents by pretending that it's on you what they did.
	That'd be like your dad buying a lottery ticket and you stealing it from it and cashing it from it.
	That would be stealing because he bought the lottery ticket.
	It's his. And your parents made the choices that they made.
	It's theirs. They made the choices.
	They reap the consequences.
	What you're trying to do is as meaningless as saying, oh, my uncle who smoked for 40 years and who got lung cancer, I'll take the lung cancer.
	Right? You can't do that.
	It's not reality.
	It's not how things work. Your parents need to have their stolen goods returned to them.
	And you've got to stop hoarding and stealing what isn't yours, which is what they did and didn't do.
	That's funny. Yeah, because I've actually stolen money from everyone in my life, basically.
	Because you were stolen from. Yeah, because most people steal because they were stolen from, particularly as children.
	Right. But yeah, no, you return.
	You can do it gently. You can do it nicely.
	You can do it angrily. It doesn't really matter.
	But if you've ever lost something and had someone return it to you, that's a good thing to do, isn't it?
	Yes. Right. So they've lost the reality of your history, and you're returning it to them.
	They've lost the reality of their choices, and you are simply returning it to them.
	You left this behind.
	It's in my house. It's not mine.
	It's yours. Here you go.
	Okay. All right.
	I do have to bounce.
	I know you've got to go. I know you've got to go.
	And I said I was going to do a longer show, but I'm not.
	This was quite a show.
	And... I appreciate you calling.
	And listen, seriously, if there's anything that I can do to help in terms of if you need money for a lawyer, if your parents won't do it or anything like that, just let me know.
	We'll sort it out. Absolutely.
	Completely and totally. All right?
	Yeah. Thank you. I'd love to call back again.
	So thank you too.
	Yeah. Stay in touch. Absolutely. Stay in touch.
	And I'm sure we can sort something out.
	So... Wow, long show.
	Thanks, everyone, so much. I appreciate it.
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	I hope you guys have a wonderful, wonderful weekend.
	I'm going to do another live stream this weekend because that's just the kind of big chatty forehead that I am.
	So, lots of love from up here or down here if you're further up than here.
	You Inuit. So, yeah, lots of love from up here.
	Take care, everyone. Have a wonderful, wonderful weekend.

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