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Feb. 4, 2021 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux

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ENDLESS COVID TERRORFEST! Wednesday Night Live with Stefan Molyneux

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	Well, good evening, Stefan Molyneux from Freedom, Maine.
	It's the 3rd of February 2021 in our year of science fiction, Lord, COVID planet.
	And we're going to talk a little bit tonight about some of this COVID panic that's going on and see if we can't unpack how to stay sane in these wildly increasingly trying times.
	So, yeah, thanks everyone for dropping by tonight.
	A great pleasure to chat with you.
	I hope that you will check out the new series on investments and the sort of investment roundtable.
	I hope that you will check that out.
	It's not investment advice of any kind, but I've got some experts on the show who support the show who are interested in investing Well, sharing their expertise about investing.
	Good evening, Haydian. Hope you're doing well.
	Good evening, New Jersey boy.
	Good evening, Lemonade.
	What happened to Gimme GME? Hello, Stefan says, Soed Tabrisi.
	Hello back. Lemonade says, Free Domain Radio.
	Oh, oh, oh, oh. The Marmarath says, Good evening, Stefan and Chant.
	You enjoyed the first investment episode?
	Yeah, this next one, I really wanted to try and figure out what's going on with things like Litecoin and Ethereum and just what the story was about that as a whole.
	So I hope that you will check that out.
	Hello, Agent Lost.
	Hello, everybody.
	Nice to chat with you this evening.
	And I'm going to sound like I'm picking on someone tonight.
	Maybe I'm not. But you may have people who are like this in your environment.
	You may have people like this in your life.
	And I hope, I hope, I hope that this...
	The show tonight will really, really help you push back against this claustrophobic gloom and doom paranoia.
	The world is full of tiny air spikes that are going to impale our brains and all of that because it's really destructive.
	I mean, living in fear is worse than dying in many ways.
	I came across an article that is from the New York Times.
	Which I'm going to go through in a tiny bit of detail because it's just really important and I hope that it will help you with this kind of stuff.
	I do get the sense that looks sleep-deprived, unshaven.
	What's going on? Really, you?
	You know what sleep-deprived looks like?
	I got my cozy seven and a half hours last night.
	Unshaven? Yes, I am, in fact, unshaven.
	But I will be getting back the shaviness.
	But, oh no, everything's fine.
	Everything's great. Everything is good, good, good.
	I'm trying 1920 by 1080.
	Seems to be going okay.
	I think we're doing all right as far as that goes.
	Good evening, Andy. Hope you're doing well.
	G'day from Oz, from Morgan's Flying Saucer.
	Hey, can you believe it?
	Well, I guess you can believe it, right?
	The number of hatchet jobs on Roger Ailes versus the number of hatchet jobs in the media.
	Like there's two, what is it?
	One miniseries with Russell Crowe and another whole movie series with, oh, that South African woman whose name I can never remember who adopted the black kids.
	I can't remember. Anyway, A lot of examinations of Fox News and Roger Ailes.
	Not so much Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein.
	It's a genuine titanic fundamental mystery from which no human being can recover.
	Stream looks good? Why, thank you.
	I appreciate that. Come on, grow a beard.
	Listen, the moment I kiss you and not my wife, you can have a determination on my level of facial hair, but as long as my wife prefers me without a beard, I'll go for kissy face over scraggly jaw any time of the week and twice on Sundays.
	All right. Charlize Thinneron.
	Thank you. Thank you very much.
	Charlize Theron. Yeah, why isn't there anything on the R1 brothers, right?
	To ask the question is to answer it, right?
	To ask the question is to answer it.
	Were there times when you had friendships or relationships that were one-sided?
	Oh yeah, I would say for most of my youth, my relationships were entirely one-sided.
	Proud Boys are now considered terrorists in Canada.
	What do you think about this? Well, there is this belief that all racial groups can have their in-group preferences, can have agencies and organizations that advocate for their interests.
	I mean, you have a Hispanic group literally called La Raza, which is...
	Spanish for the race, right?
	So you have the Black Congressional Caucus, you have East Asian groups, you have Indian groups, you have groups for Jews, you have groups for Muslims, you have groups for every belief system, ethnicity, and so on, Hispanic groups. But the moment that a white group does it, you know, they're immediately Nazis.
	And that's just part of the unfortunate...
	Bigotry, anti-white stuff that's going on at the moment.
	It's a real shame. And I don't have any particular solution other than it's really wrong.
	It's really bad because, you know, the multiracial diverse society was not particularly sold as, oh, and by the way, if you organize, we're going to try and destroy your life.
	That's just the way things are.
	It was not massively unpredictable, but that's the way it is.
	So let's drop into this.
	I read this with horror, frankly.
	And look, I have sympathy for this woman.
	I don't know her background.
	I obviously can't diagnose.
	I'm not a psychiatrist. But in my amateur opinion...
	This is a generalized anxiety disorder.
	It's really rough. It's really rough to be anxious all the time.
	But do you ever get the sense...
	Let me know in the chat here before I sort of dive in and dig in here.
	But do you ever get the sense that...
	Some people, they really love the drama of coronavirus.
	You know, the cases are up, and there's now a South African mutation, there's a Brazilian mutation, there's a UK mutation, and they're just the drama of COVID and coronavirus and the pandemic, and people are, you know, this, you know, like this, this, and, you know, maybe I would say maybe slightly more leaning towards the female side than the male, but man, this, I mean, people, I don't know if their lives are empty.
	I don't know if their relationships are empty.
	I don't know if their jobs are boring.
	But just this, you know, this gasping, trailing after the scattering shells of the formerly living cast about by the Chinese god of death.
	It's just pretty wild about this stuff.
	People are just, I mean, how empty does your life have to be where a pandemic is the only interesting thing going on?
	The 9-11 people stayed glued to the TV for every update.
	Yeah, that's right, and it happens with war, and people want to feel, I guess, like they're living in history, but part of this drama, it's just wild.
	Like, they're now, what's it, the World Health Organization has finally got a team into Wuhan to try and figure out the origins of the virus?
	Oh my god. Oh, absolutely.
	It's really, really important to come in 14 months late to really, really try and nail down the scene of the crime.
	Crazy. Crazy.
	Somebody says, yes, I'm a therapist that is walking people off their delusions daily, usually addicts.
	Love it for the dopamine rush.
	Yeah. You can see this sort of drama queen addiction with the women who date bad men and they're just constantly complaining about these men and, oh, he cheated on me and, oh, he came in drunk and, oh, the drama.
	I mean, I guess it is somebody who's just ADHD stimulant junkie running after the latest dopamine hit, but you can't live your life constantly firing up your fight-or-flight mechanism.
	I mean, you can, but it's just not going to be a very happy hour, I believe, very long life.
	You've got to take time to calm down.
	You've got to take time to unwind.
	I spent an hour and a half this afternoon.
	I lay on a bed, closed my eyes, clasped my hands over my chest, had some headphones on, and listened to some music and just...
	Because, you know, sleeping isn't quite relaxing.
	Napping isn't quite relaxing. But when you get to that zen...
	State of sort of peace of mind, the pillow of winds kind of feeling.
	You've really got to find a way to cool your jets.
	And if you're around the people, you know, it's just constantly, you know, the headlines can be like this on places like Breitbart and other places, you know, shocker, you know, and it's just something and it's just like, you know, being hit by the random cattle prod of language just doesn't really seem to...
	Do people a lot of good.
	So as far as the drama goes, people just love the drama.
	Some people just love the drama of COVID. So let's see here what else we got here.
	It's literally never ending.
	People who say, well, I know so and so who got it and it's very serious.
	Yeah, that's right. Will you become famous?
	Like Jordan Peterson.
	I don't know if that's a question for me or someone else.
	So, if you want to really change the future, you have to be willing to be largely invisible in the present.
	The more visible you are in the present, the more you are in alignment with the general values of the age.
	But to truly change the values of the future, you have to be willing to be largely invisible to the present, to have a subterranean effect, so to speak.
	And it's a slow battle.
	It's a battle of attrition.
	And usually, you know, the people who've done a huge amount to change the world aren't often really recognized for their role in that until long after they're dead.
	So You know, a couple hundred years from now, me versus Jordan Peterson, not that there's any competition or anything like that.
	I mean, we work in such different spheres and so on.
	But for certain, Jordan Peterson is far more prominent than I am at the moment.
	As far as the future goes, well, we'll see.
	Well, I won't see. But my grandkids will see.
	Let's see here. I find those people tend to be women and people who live off the paychecks of others, welfare, unemployed, etc.
	Well, you know, my mother was a hypochondriac, probably still is, and she was always like, you know, some new thing, and she was desperately glued to the OJ trial and just loved the sort of drama of life as a whole, and...
	If you're actually doing things in your life and you're getting your sort of natural dopamine of achievement and growth and challenge and all of that, you just don't need the stuff all the time.
	But yeah, people whose lives are not satisfying tend to wrap themselves into external stimuli and so on.
	People who live in fear get to stay at home more often and work less hard because government aid.
	Well, for sure. I mean, the world is really divided into three classes of people at the moment, right?
	There are the very wealthy who have seen their wealth increase under COVID. There are the people who are...
	And I sort of include the self-employed to some degree in this.
	There are the people who have regular jobs and their lives have become really terrible under COVID. A lot of them are working from home.
	A lot of them are unemployed and so on.
	But I guess there's the middle class and then there's slightly lower class, like the hospitality workers, the restaurant workers and so on have been decimated.
	It's unbelievably terrible. And then there are the government workers who love this stuff because...
	They get paid and they don't have to work.
	I mean, it pays way better than welfare to be a government worker who doesn't have to do anything during COVID. I mean, the teachers love it.
	I mean, the teachers, they're not going back to school.
	Like, this is a funny thing. People are talking about, like, the going back to school thing.
	Chicago Teachers Union and other places, particularly out on the left coast in California, they're just not going back to work.
	They'll just keep throwing up restrictions.
	Why? They prefer working from home.
	And the schools that they often go to are physically dangerous.
	They get really... hurt and harmed in in those schools there's a lot of physical violence and danger and so working from home gives them probably a sense of peace that they haven't had in in quite some time so some are covet obsessed says mark moogle was listening to some lefties talk about how they're going to wear the masks when it was over because safety blanket yeah i think uh two two to three years before there's any return to normalcy yeah there's a two to two to three years that's my particular prediction And normal is probably still going to include masks,
	unfortunately. I mean, just because when I was in October of 2019, I was in Hong Kong for my last documentary before the hammer came down.
	And I'm still wearing masks as a result of the O3 plus SARS-1 epidemic, right?
	Mary Dwyer says, I wish people were as crazed about the obesity epidemic as they were about COVID. It kills far more people, arguably.
	Yeah, yeah, for sure. The R coronavirus is full of the fear porn.
	Let's see here. Drama out of nothing.
	They just made it mandatory to wear masks in the Rocky Mountain National Park and it's heartbreaking.
	I live right next to the park. Yeah, yeah.
	If you don't have meaning in your life, if you don't have virtue and love and meaning in your life, then what will happen is you will go for drama instead because it gives you a sense that you're alive.
	Jordan Benison, wash your lobster penis, bucko.
	The lobster thing is kind of important.
	It's kind of a funny thing.
	Like Alex Jones was right, they are in fact turning the frickin' frogs gay.
	A dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world.
	I assume that's Oscar Wilde and not Olivia.
	But yeah, Oscar Wilde is a glorious, glorious writer.
	All right. Inflation is getting pretty obvious here in the US with grocery prices hard to avoid and Morgan Stanley is now talking about it.
	Yeah, because you get the shrinkage in the package, right?
	The packages are getting smaller, right?
	So teachers hate their jobs in California.
	They make little money with packed classrooms.
	Well, that's not the packed, it's the dangerous classrooms, right?
	The wealthy net dollar increase during COVID. The outcome is the purpose.
	I don't know about that. It will be 10 months by then, right?
	Hong Kong citizens are now fleeing to the UK with their dual citizenship.
	They are, and a friend of mine in Hong Kong is sort of keeping me up to date on this stuff.
	And, of course, the Chinese government will backdate and fake a whole bunch of paperwork in order to make sure that they get their agents embedded in the countries that we're going to.
	Try emailing DLive and asking if they will remove your X tag and re-monetize you.
	I've heard they did for a few people.
	Yeah, I will try that, and if you could try that too, that would be great.
	You see the new article about the COVID hotels owned by the CCP. Yes.
	Yes. All right.
	So let's go through this article, which I think is very interesting.
	It's from a woman named Courtney Zoffnis.
	She is a writer whose forthcoming memoir explores motherhood, anxiety, and spirituality.
	Now, I'm going to sound kind of harsh on this woman.
	I don't mean to be.
	I'm sure that she's doing the best she can with the emotional apparatus that she is.
	Has, but nonetheless. That's pretty narrow, right?
	It's pretty important.
	There's a lot to talk about in this article, and hopefully this will be helpful to people.
	And again, I'm sorry, this is kind of small, but I wanted to throw the article up so you could sort of read along, right?
	So she says this, she says, I've spent the past 11 months filling my children with fear.
	Don't touch that, I say.
	Lift your mask over your nose.
	Keep six feet away. I have chosen not to water down the reasons.
	Explain to my six and nine-year-old sons what the coronavirus is and how it infects and how many people have died and continue to die daily in the United States.
	2010 on Monday.
	I have been especially preachy with my youngest.
	We've talked about his lungs.
	About the pulmonologist who told us he had tracheomalachia at 18 months and then later asthma.
	We've talked about all the emergency medicine, medical visits, all the nebulizers and inhalers that fill our kitchen cabinet.
	He gets it. He's washed his hands so often that his knuckles have turned red and raw.
	Well, okay.
	So, when it comes to talking to kids, come on.
	When it comes to talking to kids...
	When you say to a child 2,000 people died, he thinks it's like three streets worth of people in the neighborhood.
	He doesn't understand, you know, 300 plus million people, 2,010, mostly elderly with an average of three comorbidities and often past their own lives.
	um average mortality average mortality and so on right and so when you're talking about to a six-year-old about these kinds of numbers a six-year-old for two thousand is pretty much half the population of the planet right so for for a child it's really really important to understand that right so this mom oh gosh what was her name again Courtney right so Courtney is so terrified That she's telling her son about all of this.
	Now, this, of course, is going to fill the child with terror, absolute livid, foundational, fundamental terror, right?
	And he's washed his hands so often his knuckles have turned red and raw.
	Okay, so she's clearly terrified of this virus.
	The child has lung ailment.
	And let's go on.
	What happens after you spend 11 months filling your children with fear and then the source of dread arrives?
	And of all the bodies in your household, it slips into only the smallest one.
	Is there a name for the feeling just before you tell your sensitive six-year-old that the threat is no longer abstract, that he's tested positive?
	He doesn't believe me at first.
	I hardly believe me.
	It's January 21st, barely 7 a.m., Maybe it's all a dream.
	My son looks from me to his father, then back again.
	We had the most reliable tests.
	His older brother cups his hand over his mouth in disbelief.
	How? My son says, voice wobbly.
	I don't need to remind him that his teacher tested positive, that she's home convalescing with a fever.
	That's why we got tested in the first place.
	Ah, well.
	This is the part that blew my mind.
	It doesn't blow my mind insofar as, oh my gosh, it's so shockingly unexpected.
	It blows my mind because the lack of self-knowledge on the part of this woman, Courtney.
	And again, sympathies, propaganda, blah, blah, blah.
	But let's be real about this.
	this come on she's so terrified that her son is going to die from covid that he's rubbing he's washing his hands until they're raw and red but she's sending him to school so
	What? You're so terrified of your son dying from COVID that you sent him to school.
	What on earth does that mean?
	Look, if there was like a genuine...
	Child-killing virus floating around schools.
	Pro tip, don't send your kids to the fucking school.
	If you're that terrified of coronavirus, And you believe that it's everywhere and it's going to kill your kids or threaten the lives of your kids.
	Like this, I don't understand.
	Like if you're going to honor your fear, if you're going to be this scared, then do something about it.
	This is what I don't understand.
	Do something about it.
	If you're genuinely terrified your children die of COVID, then get them out of the government schools, get them out of the private schools, get them out of schools.
	Oh, but there's more. Oh, but there's more.
	So, he says, I don't need to remind him that his teacher tested positive, that she's home convalescing with a fever.
	That's why we got tested in the first place.
	But this fiery, inexhaustible boy with the perpetual holes in his pants knees cannot help touching every wall and gate we pass on our Brooklyn sidewalks.
	He grips every bar in the playground, which we visit often because we do not have a yard.
	He regularly pokes fingers in his eyes and nose and mouth.
	He is six. Who knows who gave the virus to whom?
	Right. So she's still staying in the city.
	Again, if I genuinely believed that my daughter was at risk of dying from a disease that was in schools and in cities, And that I took my child to a playground because we didn't have a yard.
	You move out of the city.
	Honor your fear. I don't agree with this level of fear.
	Obviously, I don't agree with this level of fear.
	But if you are this afraid, why wouldn't you act on it?
	I don't understand this.
	If you're really this afraid.
	Why won't you act on it?
	Get out of the city, get your kids out of schools, rent a little cottage in the country, crush down your expenses, sell your car, move out of the city until herd immunity, vaccination, whatever you believe is going to be the end of this crisis, do something!
	For God's sakes, I don't understand this.
	I'm so terrified that I'm going to put him in playgrounds and I'm going to keep him in the city where everybody's touching things and I'm going to put him in school where the teachers get sick and I don't understand, and I don't know, I mean, I don't know what the husband's doing here.
	Like, what is her husband doing?
	Why isn't he talking to her and saying, what are you talking about?
	Let's look at the mortality rate of children.
	Well, we'll get to that in a sec, but this I don't understand.
	She says, I think about the two and a half days since we took the test, during which time I've helped him blow his nose and wash his face and polished off his glass of orange juice.
	Oh my God. What can you even say?
	What can you even say about this?
	I don't know what you can say.
	So, you put your son in a school where the teacher tests positive.
	You know for a fact that your son has been exposed to COVID because the teacher has tested positive, right?
	This is a fact.
	I'm following the timeline here correctly.
	Tell me if I'm not. Your son, you have sent to school.
	The teacher has tested positive.
	Your son has been exposed.
	And what do you do? You drink his glass of orange juice.
	Help me, guys, please, out there in the world.
	Help me! I cannot understand.
	I cannot understand.
	This virus is so deadly and so...
	Oh, is that OJ? Oh, man, I like OJ. You've been exposed to COVID and you could be shedding virus like a fire hose.
	Yeah, but, you know, OJ is tasty.
	Snurk, snurk, snurk, snurk.
	What do you say? So he has got to wash his fingers red, bloody, and raw because of COVID. But Mommy's a little thirsty and likes the slightly acrid taste of orange juice, so...
	What?
	Anyway, so she says, now I mobilize and procure masks for everyone.
	My husband designates an area in the living room just for first graders, of which we have only one, and starts to build a fort.
	My boy understands the implications.
	He crumples to the floor.
	Crumples to the floor? Now, listen, I was raised by a hypochondriac.
	She wasn't that bad when I was younger.
	It got pretty bad later. And you guys tell me, tell me this.
	I don't want to sound like an overly tough guy or anything like that, but tell me this.
	As a kid, did you really mind getting sick that much?
	I didn't. I didn't mind getting sick that much at all.
	You'd get sat up on the couch.
	You'd get, we'd get Ovaltine or, you know, that kind of sweet vanilla drink that's, I don't know if it's available anywhere else other than England or whether they corral it up in India and like Marmite should be in Australia.
	But did you really mind it?
	Come on, you get a stack full of comic books, you get to explore the estrogen mysteries of daytime TV, you get to doze a little, you know, you're a little headachy, and I remember being itchy with chicken pox and stuff.
	Was it really that terrible being sick when you were a kid?
	I never had anything super serious.
	I've never actually spent any time in hospital.
	I've never spent a night in a hospital and so on.
	But as a kid, Did you really mind being sick?
	I got to be off school.
	My mom would go to work and I'd just be propped up and it was fine.
	I don't know. It was just not that big a deal, right?
	It was just not that big a deal.
	Did you... Did you...
	Did you hate or fear getting ill?
	I didn't, right? Anyway, but of course he thinks he's going to die, right?
	Because she's talking about the number of people who've died are in the thousands every day.
	People said, Matt says, I love staying home sick, especially chicken pox.
	Two weeks! Oh man, when I got ill when I was young, I was ill.
	Stefan's got that warrior genetics or something.
	I'm sorry to hear that. I really am.
	And I had asthma when I was a little kid, but I don't really remember it very well.
	I just remember looking out my window and they burnt my teddy bears in the backyard.
	I used to fake being sick to stay out of school.
	Oh yeah, of course.
	Of course. What was your preferred fake?
	Mine was a stomach ache. You know, my stomach aches because, you know, it's kind of I actually, I faked my mother's signatures to get out of school.
	I hated it so much. Of course, right?
	School is horrible. It never bothered me, says RoboBeast.
	Yeah, I mean, it's really not that big a deal, being sick.
	Strep throat was the only thing I remember not enjoying.
	Oh, yeah, sore throats are horrible. Mine was a migraine.
	Migraines are also, I've never had one, but I've known someone who has migraines, used to have migraines.
	And they're brutal.
	They're brutal. Even when I was sick, I'd be at school for some reason.
	Sorry about that. I'm sorry about that.
	Okay, so the article goes, so the son crumples to the floor.
	So he's expressing intense, unbelievable levels of distress, right?
	I mean, when I found out I was sick as a kid, I never crumpled to the floor.
	Again, I didn't have my mom telling me I was going to die or anything like that.
	Puking as a kid wasn't too much fun.
	Not too much fun as an adult either.
	I remember playing Sly Cooper on the PS2 and having great fun when sick.
	Oh, bronchitis? Yeah, that is rough.
	I've never had that, but it's pretty rough.
	Pneumonia sucks? I've never had pneumonia.
	I think I've had a flu maybe once or twice in my life.
	Flu just puts me on the couch for three days and then I'm fine.
	All right. So he says, I don't want to have COVID. He cries.
	Will I die? He says.
	Will you? All right.
	So, this woman's son, right?
	This woman's son, for some reason I'm completely gapping out on her name, Courtney.
	So Courtney's son here says, will I die?
	Will you die?
	So he believes that he could die And or he could kill his family, right?
	Because for kids, of course, if he doesn't die, but the rest of his family dies, then he's stuck in, I guess, I assume a Brooklyn apartment with dead relatives, right?
	That is rough.
	So, this kid is going through an existential terror crisis that I don't remember ever experiencing as a child, with the possible exception of when I found out about nuclear war.
	So, and even that wasn't imminent, it was just something in sort of around, right?
	So, her child is terrified that he's going to die, or that the mother and the entire family is going to die, or both, right?
	So, kids going through an existential crisis, if there's ever a child who needs his mother, it's this moment.
	Needs his mother, needs his father.
	So, let's see what happens.
	She says, I had wanted my children to be afraid of the virus so that they'd be protected, so that our family and the community and the world would be too.
	But, I am also preternaturally anxious.
	Someone who relies on therapy and medication to breathe evenly.
	My children have seen me distraught over seven-day averages and incautious loved ones and an immoral precedent who helped accelerate the spread.
	The size of my son's sob is proportional to the extra-large apprehension I sewed into him for 11 months.
	How could this be unraveled?
	So now, she's basically been said, we're all going to die, right?
	And now her son has COVID-19.
	And now she's like, well, how can I unravel all the fear I wound into him for 11 months straight?
	What? What?
	Let's go back to the listeners.
	I love you guys so much.
	Thank you for joining me tonight.
	It's real pleasant. All right.
	The worst thing I ever had was strep throat for a week.
	Chickenpox was easy. Yeah, chickenpox was easy.
	I used to love getting the bubblegum-flavored antibiotics for an ear infection.
	Ate a yak burger in China?
	Think I know what it's like to give birth.
	I don't know if I have sympathy more for the yak or for you, or contempt for both of you, because why would you eat a yak burger in China?
	I mean, don't eat anything in China.
	Well, a tasty bowl of tadpoles, perhaps.
	Oh my god, that poor kid is being traumatized.
	Oh yeah, I had frequent ear infections, says New Jersey boy.
	No school Nintendo all day.
	Only remember once as a kid actually getting sick enough to not consider illness a net positive.
	Yeah, it kind of was, right? Any books for blended families?
	Sorry, I don't know. A six-year-old has a greater chance of dying from normal flu.
	This behavior is cultish.
	This is a bit of an insight into why people are so weird, like weird hysterical women scare people.
	Lots of health problems from secondhand cigarette smoke, two packs a day.
	Oh, I'm sorry about that. Thought I had cancer as a kid.
	Turns out it was womanhood blooming.
	Laugh out loud. Okay, you thought it was breast cancer, but it was just, in fact, breasts.
	That's a step in the right direction.
	This woman's drama addiction is seriously harming her children psychologically.
	Needs his father if his mother is a fruitcake.
	Hmm, but...
	Men don't have much power in relationships.
	I mean, unless the woman is willing to work with the equal, right?
	I wonder if our selected parents do this to their kids on purpose because the instability propagates our selected behavior.
	Yeah, constant sense of threat gives you early sexual maturity and promiscuity and a tendency to want to pursue the unearned dopamine of the present at the expense of stability in the future.
	She does take some responsibility the result of the fear I sowed into him.
	Yes. Please tell me this is Babylon B. I'm afraid not.
	Holy moly, Steph. Crypto's been on a steady rise this week.
	Yes, and I think it's only going further.
	Please do not associate with women like this.
	They will grind down every ambition about you.
	Do not give them anything good. Do not interact.
	Yeah, that's not a bad idea.
	I was only sick once when I was a kid, but I discovered the Black Stallion, so it wasn't so bad.
	You mean the book, right? It's a great book.
	Men have plenty of power in relationships if they don't act like pussies.
	Yes, I think that's true.
	All right. So, let's go on with this, right?
	So, she says there have been more than 2.82 million cases of COVID-19 in children as of January 28, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.
	Children account for 12.8% of cases in the United States.
	But there's a caveat. These numbers most likely reflect an under-reporting since children may have no symptoms or only mild ones and may not be tested.
	Okay. So she says, I want my son to not be sick.
	I want my son to not be sick.
	I want my son to not be sick. And then she says, okay.
	So the fewer number of children's fatalities and the more children are not being tested, children are unreported, the better, right?
	Because if, let's say, twice as many children have it, then that proportion of people, of children who've died is much lower, right?
	So anyway. This hysterical behavior is why women should not be in positions of power, especially when whether emotionally charged decisions to be made.
	Well, I mean, this is the AOC thing, right?
	AOC claiming that she was feared that she was going to be murdered in the Capitol riots.
	And, you know, funny story, it turns out she said she was in her office, which is not in the Capitol.
	It's on a building a couple of blocks away, a couple of streets away.
	And that building, the Collins building or something like that, was never, no, none of the rioters or Yeah.
	mind or whatever falsifies what threats are actually occurring and so yeah isn't it great she's no capacity to process threats rationally and she gets to vote for war yay so okay so she says i tell my son that everything will be okay "I'm ready." Okay, so that's weird, right?
	Because if you say to your son there's this deadly virus and, you know, thousands of people are dying a day and it's, you know, you're an especially susceptible kid because you've passed lung issues and blah, blah, blah, and then he gets it and you say, oh, everything's going to be fine.
	Like, that is so bizarre.
	At least honor and say, well, yes, the thing that we're talking about that might kill you or might kill all of us has come and we've got to sit down and talk about it.
	But she's like, no, no, everything's going to be fine.
	Everything's going to be fine.
	How is a kid supposed to process that, right?
	That his mom has been filling him with fear, make him wash his hands like some OCD victim for 11 months straight, and then he finally gets this disease she's been terrified of for 11 months straight and has filled him full of terror, and then she says, oh, everything's going to be fine.
	What? Does that mean that she was, I mean, from the kid's perspective, does that mean that she was lying the whole time?
	Why have you been filling me with fear about this illness and now that I have it you say everything's going to be fine?
	Why do you tell me thousands of people die from this illness and I'm specially susceptible and then when I get it you say everything's going to be fine?
	Anyway, so she says, I tell my son that everything will be okay.
	I try to mean it. I say that being asymptomatic is a good sign, that he has a strong immune system, healthy organs.
	My husband and I carry the twin bed out of the room he shares with his brother, even though they've been breathing on each other all week.
	Better to do something, my husband says, than nothing.
	We set up an isolated folding table so that he can attend remote school and designate a bathroom just for him.
	We make it sound exciting.
	Your own room! Your own bathroom!
	Oh my god.
	Oh my god.
	Better to do something than nothing.
	Well, but you have done something, right?
	You have done something. You've stayed in the city.
	You've let your kid play with other kids.
	You've let the kid go to a playground to touch things, even though he keeps touching his face, his nose, his mouth.
	You've put him in school where he's exposed to other kids and teachers who then got sick.
	And without a doubt, it seems to me, it probably came from the teacher to the kid to the home.
	So you've done a whole bunch of stuff.
	So here's the thing. This is my particular perspective.
	On my own anxieties, which everyone has, on my own anxieties versus other people's and other people's anxieties.
	Like, okay, I feel anxious about X, Y, or Z, right?
	Okay, what are you going to do about it?
	Are you going to change your behavior?
	No, then let it go. Because anxiety or fear is designed to have you change your behavior.
	If you're not going to change your behavior, dwelling in the anxiety is...
	Nuts. The fight or flight is there to have you change.
	If you're not going to change your behavior, then you've got to let go of the anxiety, right?
	So if this woman says, well, no, I'm going to still send my kid to government schools.
	Come on, what am I crazy? I'm still going to stay in the city.
	Okay, well, then it's not that bad.
	Empirically, you look at your own actions and say, empirically, Is it that bad?
	Is it really bad?
	Because if I'm not willing to move out of the city, pull my kids out of school, stop having them go to COVID-infested playgrounds, then clearly I don't think it's that bad because my actions don't follow my fears.
	But to wallow in these fears and not change your behavior, I don't know.
	I mean, I have no idea what to say about that.
	All right. And now, now that your kid has COVID, even though you've said it's death on a stick, right?
	Now that your kid has COVID, what you're saying now is, let's make it fun!
	Again, what? What?
	What does that mean?
	Your own room, your own...
	It's going to be fun to have COVID. You're going to die, but it's going to be fun.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, man. I'm like a king, he says, briefly pleased.
	He asks if I will make him a crown from cardboard.
	He does not know that corona in Latin means crown.
	All right, you know, okay, who cares, right?
	So then she says, my husband and I have reminded each other and relatives that asthma puts individuals at risk for severe illness from COVID-19.
	It's how we've explained our extra precautions.
	But it occurs to me now that we're not actually so worried about him suffering physically or even, heaven forbid, dying.
	Oh, my God.
	We're not actually so worried about him dying.
	So she's filled him full of terror of airborne demon COVID death for 11 months straight.
	Had him wash his hands until his hands are raw.
	But she's not really so worried about him suffering physically or even dying.
	And she says, at least 215 children have thus far in the United States, which is dying, right?
	Dying. 215 children have died.
	I mean, oh my gosh.
	Oh my gosh.
	Out of what? Close to 300,000, right?
	300,215.
	And of course, the dying is usually dying with COVID or being in the vicinity of Governor Cuomo.
	So she said, we're worried about the adults he might infect.
	We are worried about each other.
	Right. So it's about her.
	It's about her. She filled them full of all of these terrorists because she's nervous about herself, right?
	Nervous about her own possible...
	So she doesn't say she has any comorbidities other than this generalized anxiety disorder or whatever it is, right?
	So she doesn't have any lung issues.
	So she's terrified her children because she's concerned about them bringing COVID home to her, which is why she's not focusing on his terror at the moment, right?
	Okay, so, the mom says, I'm paraphrasing, obviously, the mom says, you're going to die, you're going to die, you're going to die if you get COVID. COVID is deadly.
	Thousands of people are dying. I don't know if she says you're going to die, but she says it's deadly, right?
	She keeps telling about all the people who've died, right?
	And now he's got COVID. And now, of all the times in this poor young boy's life, now is the time you sit down with him And you talk, and you talk, and you talk, and you listen, and how are you feeling?
	How are you doing? What do you think is going to happen?
	And you explore his sense of doom, his sense of mortality, his sense of danger, his sense of death, his fear that he's going to die or that his family's going to die.
	Now, now is the time to parent.
	You filled him full of fear about getting COVID. He's got COVID. He's afraid he's going to die.
	He's afraid he's going to kill his family through COVID. He's thinking back, did I not wash my hands properly?
	Did I not wear the mask right?
	He's terrifying. He's terrifying.
	He's terrified of what he's done.
	Now is the time that you sit down with him for hours, hours at least, and talk things through with him.
	But what happens? Next paragraph.
	My son retreats to his castle with an iPad.
	What?
	Again?
	Your son is terrified he's going to die and kill his family, and you just drop him in the living room with an iPad.
	Oh my god.
	Oh my god.
	Oh my god. I'd say it's unbelievable.
	But it's obviously not. And she's putting this out there.
	I don't know if she knows. And again, I'm not trying to pick on her because a lot of people like this.
	So I'm not trying to sort of be negative on her.
	I'm just...
	Mom, I think I'm going to die.
	I think I've just killed the family.
	I don't know what I did. Here's an iPad, kid.
	Fill him full of fear.
	The worst thing happens. And then...
	She gives him an iPad.
	And then...
	She says...
	Between work meetings, I deliver food.
	So your child thinks he's going to die, or might.
	Your child is terrified that he's, through some inattention, through some mistake, because when you're a kid, most things are your own fault when you feel like that.
	and she certainly hasn't in any of this story convinced him that it wasn't his fault right so your son thinks he's going to die thinks he might kill the family or might have killed the family and she what does she do She goes to work. She goes to work.
	She has work meetings, don't you know?
	I can't deal with my kid who feels he's about to die and might have killed the family because I have a work meeting.
	Where's the husband, dude?
	Dude, where's your husband?
	Talk to your wife.
	Your son thinks he's about to die.
	What is your... I mean, maybe you were in there comforting him, but she doesn't say that.
	Mom, I think I'm going to die.
	Here's an iPad. Mommy has a meeting.
	You're going to die. You're going to die. You're going to die.
	Oh, you got COVID. Okay, here's an iPad.
	Mommy's got a meeting. Oh, my God.
	Oh, my God.
	Dad, your sons need you.
	She goes on to say, still we know the isolation won't last, even as the CDC advises a period of 10 days.
	He's too restless, too sick.
	After a few hours, he hollers my name, voice muffled through multiple layers.
	Door, comforter, mask.
	So your kid who thinks he's dying and might have killed his family is left alone for a couple of hours with a mask on and a closed door.
	My God.
	Your Highness, I say, poking my covered face inside.
	sniff Now, that's also strange to me as well, because it's not funny to the child, but she's making a joke out of it.
	Your Highness, she comes, like, my God.
	Your kid thinks he's going to die, thinks he might have killed his family, might have done something to bring this virus into the home, and you're making jokes about it.
	Well, first you leave him for a couple of hours with an iPad, because you've got to work!
	You've got to work, I'll be serious about it.
	You've got to work, right? And then you're like, Your Highness?
	Like, that's not a joke.
	Not a joke. Your Highness, I say, poking my covered face inside.
	He is upright on his bed, hair must.
	He stares at me, then he opens his arms wide.
	Yeah, he needs, uh...
	He needs his mom, right?
	There is a flicker of panic in his face.
	A question mark that I won't approach.
	Or maybe I'm projecting for a blink I hesitate.
	I worry he sees this.
	I'm afraid of my own child.
	Oh my God. See...
	You knew he'd been exposed to somebody with COVID because he was in the classroom with the teacher who got quarantined.
	And you drank his orange juice.
	My God. Now you're scared of him.
	He's been around for a couple of days, breathing, sharing.
	You drank his orange juice. And now it's like, but I can't touch him.
	Oh. The apprehension will persist when my older son, a week later, tests positive to both boys remain asymptomatic as we approach the tail end of isolation.
	So asymptomatic, right?
	Which means it didn't make the children sick at all.
	Didn't make the children sick at all.
	So the child feels, he's been told by the mother, right?
	It comes from the mom. Maybe the dad too, I don't know, right?
	The child has been told by the mother that COVID could kill him.
	It's an incredibly dangerous illness, which is why he's washing his hands until his hands turn into hamburger meat, right?
	COVID is deadly! And then he gets it and his brother gets it.
	And they don't get sick at all.
	At all. At all.
	Well... What does that mean in terms of parental credibility, right?
	Anyway... So...
	She quotes an expert.
	Children look to parents when deciding how to feel about COVID-19.
	Dr. Erin Millstone, a pediatrician at Johns Hopkins Children's Center, has said, if you feel calm and prepared, they're likely to feel similarly.
	I can't promise that I exuded calm in the moment my youngest reached out to me, much as I wanted to, tried to.
	But what I could supply without pretense was comfort.
	on his warm bed my son and I wrapped our arms around each other tight and did not speak a word she's the author of a forthcoming book Spilt Milk She is also the director of the creative writing program at Drew University.
	And she's a total Biden supporter, right?
	I mean, she's on her Twitter feed.
	She's... She's crying, screaming, weeping, wailing with joy and gratitude.
	She loves everyone when Biden was inaugurated.
	That's a liberal woman, man.
	That's a liberal woman. Did not speak a word.
	I don't really think that's parenting, man.
	To not speak a word, that's not good.
	You know, your child thinks he's dying, and you don't talk to him.
	You throw him an iPad, you tell him to wear a mask, even though he's alone in a room, you throw him an iPad, you go and do your little job, you go do your work, because that's important, you see?
	Not your child who thinks he's dying and might have killed his entire family, but the work, you know?
	I got calls!
	I got calls, man!
	You leave your six-year-old alone with his own terrified thoughts for a couple of hours.
	But it's okay because he's got an iPad.
	Nobody's doing on that iPad.
	Rousing COVID. I don't know. Whatever, right?
	But you go and you hug him.
	You don't say anything. You weren't so quiet when it came to filling his mind with death terror of COVID, right?
	But now he needs comforting.
	You don't say anything. You've said to your child, and listen, this is again, not specific to this woman, right?
	But this is like moms out there as a whole.
	And dads too, but you know, I think the moms are having a tougher time, right?
	With this whole thing, right?
	Don't fill your kids with terror.
	That's going to follow them their whole life.
	Helplessness, terror, anxiety.
	Change your goddamn life if you're that scared.
	Get out of the city. Get your kids out of school.
	You know, you can crush your expenses like you wouldn't believe, man.
	You can crush your expenses like you wouldn't believe.
	Get out into the country, into the middle of nowhere.
	Get a couple of chickens.
	You can have some eggs every day.
	You can cut down your grocery bill enormously, your property taxes.
	You can get rid of your second car.
	You don't need all the fancy clothes for work.
	Less makeup, you know, for a year.
	You can crush your expenses, get your kids out into the country, have them eat some dirt, which will actually, I believe, make, as far as I understand it, makes their immune system stronger.
	Do something about you.
	If you want to sit there and rot in terror and infect your children with fear, while still sending them to the typhoid, merry, ground zero environment of government schools.
	And for God's sakes, If you've spent 11 months telling your child he could die.
	If he gets this illness, he could kill his family.
	If he gets this illness, he gets this illness.
	Maybe take a couple of hours off work?
	Maybe. Because, you know, I keep hearing about this famous maternal instinct and women's empathy and care and compassion and she wants to show him love.
	Okay, showing your children love is not just silently hugging them.
	That's not love.
	Love is acting with sensible, rational perspective and proportion regarding their own future happiness.
	That's love. Not filling them full of your own terrors.
	Ignoring them when they have an existential I'm gonna die crisis.
	Silently hugging them, abandoning them for work, which they know, by the way.
	your kids will know mom had something more important to do than take care of me when i thought i was going to die and might have killed my family well you work you run some shitty creative writing program and that's more important I don't understand.
	I'm not trying to play dumb.
	I had no idea how on earth you're responsible for the mortality fear in your child's mind.
	You've put that in him.
	You've put that in him. When a child hears over 200 children have died, he thinks about half his school dropping dead.
	He doesn't think about the proportion of it relative to 150 million kids or whatever it is in the States, right?
	They don't understand. They don't understand that.
	You feel your child full of that fear.
	The worst fears materialize.
	You throw an iPad, lock him in a room, leave him alone for hours, come back, hug him, don't say anything, don't ask questions, don't explore the mortality, don't any of that, right?
	And when they're fine, they don't get sick.
	Nobody else, she didn't say anyone else got sick.
	So when none of your fears have come true, you owe your children a big fucking apology, frankly.
	Everyone out there, when your fears don't come true.
	Kids got sick, nothing happened, you didn't even get sick.
	You say, oh, well, we were just lucky.
	A lot of people who are kind of lucky, right?
	150 million kids who are kind of lucky didn't die from it, right?
	Mortality rate is tiny for COVID. Now, there's long-haul stuff.
	There are other long-haulers.
	There's a significant proportion of people who've had it six months ago in Wuhan, the studies, and, yeah, they've still got some lingering effects.
	I get it. Like, I mean, it's not...
	I don't think it's just the flu. I think it's more dangerous, more serious.
	I understand a little bit of the biology behind it.
	But for kids, no risk, really.
	No functional risk for kids, right?
	But what you're teaching your kids, right?
	So if you have this terror of COVID and you just sit around...
	You just sit around and stew in your terror and your fear and tell them to wash their hands and be paranoid of their environment without changing their environment.
	Because here's the funny thing, right?
	I assume back in the day this woman went, Courtney I think it was, right?
	She went to work. Now you see she's working from home.
	Why? Because, you know, COVID is dangerous.
	She's working from home. So why is that kid going to school?
	The kid can school from home, can educate from home, get educated from home, probably better.
	So why is she sending her kid to school when it's too dangerous for her to go to work?
	Again, help me understand, what am I missing here?
	What am I missing that I simply don't understand?
	But if you just stay and you stew in your terror and you obsess about the charts and the graphs and you don't subscribe to Tom Woods' newsletter and you're like, oh no, we're doomed!
	But let's stay. What you're teaching your children is that paralysis in the face of danger is the best response.
	Paralysis in the face of danger is the best response.
	My daughter and I used to like watching some of these pretty mild scare camp things.
	And some of them can be kind of funny.
	But I remember there's a whole bunch of them where the woman just falls.
	She doesn't run. She doesn't fight back.
	She just kind of falls into the ground, right?
	So what you're teaching your kids if you're terrified of something but won't act to change your environment is that fear, you're just addicted to fear.
	You just want to stay in an environment where you get to distract yourself from your own bad behavior by pretending there's an external threat, right?
	This is a fundamental issue here, right?
	Which is, you know, I sort of, I always think, okay, let's say this woman called in to my show.
	She's not going to, right? But let's say, hey, you're welcome to, right?
	Maybe I'm wrong about stuff and you can set me straight, right?
	But a woman calls into the show.
	And, I mean, I know what I would say.
	I know what I would say, which is that if you're this scared, why haven't you changed your environment?
	If the environment is deadly, why haven't you changed your environment?
	Well, I've got this work.
	No, but you can work from anywhere, right?
	Because you're already working. You already said you had meetings from home, work meetings, Zoom meetings, whatever, right?
	If you're a creative writing teacher, you don't have to be in people's grill, so you just get stuff emailed and your market for woke points or whatever hell happens with creative writing these days, right?
	Why haven't you changed your environment?
	Why are you allowing the sickly fear to infest you and infect you The real danger is not coming from the air.
	The real danger is coming from the soul.
	Or maybe the lack thereof.
	I don't know exactly. Because, again, I'm going to abandon this woman completely as far as the narrative goes.
	I just want to talk about these anxious people as a whole.
	Because I've had some exposure to them over the years, to put it mildly, right?
	So... Imagine this woman.
	No, you know what? I said I was going to abandon her.
	Let's talk about Jackie, right?
	So imagine Jackie sitting across from me and saying how terrified she is of COVID. And I say, well, Jackie, just pull your kids out of school.
	Go move to the country. She'd get really angry at me.
	You understand that there are a lot of people in this world who complain, complain, complain, bitch and bitch and bitch, and the moment you give them a solution that's practical and achievable, they'll go for your fucking throat, right?
	I mean, this is just kind of the human condition.
	It happens with some men, it happens slightly more with women in my experience, but this is what you do.
	They complain, complain, complain, and you offer them a solution.
	No, you're supposed to just be listening and supportive, because apparently solving the problem It's not being supportive.
	Like, you know, if a woman is standing in a house and the house is burning down and you say, you should get out of the house, you're just not being supportive.
	You're not listening.
	I don't want you to, I don't need you to solve my problem.
	What can I eat? This woman, in this case, this woman does.
	Jackie does need you to solve her problem because she's terrified of the air.
	You know, it's one thing to be in Florida and to worry about, basically, Florida is the land of land sharks.
	Alligators everywhere. Basically land sharks.
	Okay. Yeah, I get that.
	You know, don't go poking around for minnows at the edge of a pond.
	Land sharks. Okay.
	There's something to be nervous about.
	Something that's going to twist your leg off in a gator roll, right?
	Oh, yeah. I understand that.
	So you step back from the edge of the pond and you're probably okay.
	It's not going to chase you on a bus, right?
	Probably okay. But to sit and stew in this terror.
	And then someone comes along and says, okay, so the solution is you pull your kids out of school, homeschool them for a bit.
	Oh, but they've got to be socialized.
	It's like, well, that's fine. You've got two kids.
	And right now, they're not being socialized because the kids have to kind of stay apart from each other.
	And they've got masks on.
	It's like socializing in Madame Tussauds' wax museum at the moment.
	They're socializing at school.
	That lie... That justification, that's done.
	That's gone, man. I mean, it was always bullshit, right?
	I mean, socializing in government schools is like saying, well, people got to go to prison.
	Otherwise, how are they going to learn how to socialize?
	So you say, oh, if you're scared of the air in the city, you're scared of every surface in the city.
	You're scared of the deadly Voldemort virus because you can't say China apparently anymore after Joe Biden's executive order, right?
	So if you're scared of the Voldemort virus, In the city.
	In schools. Well, it's too dangerous for you to go to work.
	Obviously, it's too dangerous for your kids to go to school.
	So get out of the city.
	Get to the country. It's going to be dirt cheap.
	You can live for a year or two.
	You'll barely even touch your savings because you still got a job, but your expenses are way down.
	Maybe you sublet your place. Maybe find your way out of the city.
	Oh, look, a solution with which you can escape fear.
	Now, My friends.
	My friends, my friends, my friends.
	I want to jump to you because it's not just a monologue, right?
	Let's get the dialogue going.
	Okay. Have you...
	Mother?
	Have you ever had people in your life who complain about something and you find it relatively easy to solve?
	I don't mean easy like it's easy to just pull up stakes and move to the country.
	It's not that big a deal, but you can do it, right?
	So... Have you ever had people who complain about something that's a pretty simple solution?
	You provide that pretty simple solution and they get enraged at you because they're addicted to the problem, right?
	They don't want a solution. My mom was always scared about her health.
	I'm like, I don't know, mom, maybe if you quit smoking, right?
	Maybe that's where I got my neck tuber from, was all the secondhand smoke I was growing up with in these tiny apartments with a smoker, right?
	Do you ever have this?
	Do you ever have this?
	Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.
	There's your gif, right?
	Yeah.
	Oh, here's a solution.
	Right? I remember sitting in a pizza hut in Dom Mills with my mother.
	And my mother was complaining about how hard her life was.
	She had this whole theory that doctors injected her with illnesses for, I can't even remember what the reason or justification.
	She was onto something! And I remember I was probably about 19 or 20, and I remember very clearly saying, yeah, mom, I totally get it.
	I get it. You know, it's very, very stressful.
	You know, there's a library right across the street here.
	Why don't we go over, and I fully accept what you're saying is real, but there's ways to handle and manage stress that might be quite helpful.
	Let's just go across to the library.
	We'll look up stress. Find some way to help manage the legitimate stress of what you're going through, right?
	Of course, I didn't believe any of this stuff, but I just wanted to give her some kind of solution.
	I'm like, okay, here's the tiniest thing I can do.
	I can't uproot these ideas that the only reason your life went bad was because evil doctors did X, Y, and Z. But what I can do is I can say, let's go to the library and let's get you out a book on how to manage stress because clearly it's really rough for you, right?
	And so this was a minor solution, a minor suggestion, while accepting 100% of the complaints that she had.
	A tiny minor... And this was my first big, aha!
	People don't want to have their problems solved, right?
	And... This sounds unbelievable, but I guarantee you, I can't guarantee you, I'm telling you, whether you trust me or not, I'm telling you this is what happened.
	She got so angry. She ended up throwing a pitcher of Pepsi at me in the restaurant, like a full-on, like they had these big plastic jugs.
	I worked there later. They had these big plastic jugs full of ice and Pepsi.
	She threw Pepsi. Well, at least it wasn't cutlery, but she threw and drenched, right?
	That's what happens when you try to solve people's problems, right?
	So if you were to go to this woman who's living in claustrophobic fear with Jackie or whatever, and you say, well, just take your kids out of school, move out of the city, and bingo, bango, bongo, you can ride out the pandemic, and your kids will actually be healthier thereby, right?
	Because, you see, if she doesn't have the external drama, the external fear, she has to look at her own behavior, her own lack of connection, her own lack of empathy, her own lack of love, really.
	Not the word love or the huggy, whatever it is, but the actual love where you ask people how they're doing and really, really listen to the response, right?
	So, that is...
	That is trying to help people, man.
	And so here's the funny thing, right?
	This is what was so strange for me about doing this show was, you know, I had a whole history of trying to help people.
	You know, I had...
	Boy, this is a friend of a friend having a big problem with their marriage.
	And I sat down, tried to help them with the marriage.
	I thought it was pretty good at, you know, this didn't just come out of nowhere, like my listener conversation.
	I've been pretty good at giving people advice and listening to their issues and all of that.
	And I gave them some suggestions.
	They didn't follow it, and then Guy ended up in jail because he dumped garbage on his wife's head when they were having an argument.
	A friend of mine who was 5'7" was always upset because he was short.
	Now, he was a red-headed, blue-eyed guy, and when he was slim, which was rare, he was a good-looking guy, and he would always tell me how, you know, a man needs to earn another $150,000 to make up for a couple of inches less in height, and he was bitter, and he was upset.
	I get all of that. Like, yeah, it's tough, you know?
	I could look at myself and say, well, I'm bald.
	That means I can't be attractive.
	Who cares, right? And I remember saying to him, okay, well, you can't do much about the height, but you could lose some weight.
	Because he had one of these, you know, like these 55-year-old Garrison Keillor pot bellies in his 20s.
	And you could lose the weight.
	You get your teeth cleaned.
	That you can do something about.
	But no, because the complaint was to avoid his anxiety about asking women out.
	So he'd say, well, they're not going to date me because I'm short.
	Okay, well, you can make yourself more attractive in other ways.
	I could have said, oh my gosh, I started losing my hair in my early 20s and nobody's going to date me because I'm bald.
	No, just make yourself...
	It's okay to be bald, just don't be bald and fat.
	Being bald is like having no tits, right?
	You can have no tits, just don't have no tits and be fat.
	That's a bad combo. So...
	So that's what was so strange for me when I decided to, like after a lifetime of trying to give people advice, and I think good advice.
	I mean, I've ended up from a very brutalized childhood and a very sort of productive and happy career and a loving and happy and now close to 20-year-long relationship with my wife and a good parent and all that.
	So, you know, I think I've got some reason to say I'm not a bad guy to listen to for these kinds of things.
	And I've been a success in many things.
	I got into one of the world's tightest and toughest to get into theater schools and wrote a bunch of novels that were very well reviewed, although they were anti-communist.
	They couldn't really get published. I was a success in university, got an A on my master's thesis.
	In graduate school and was a success in the business world, was a success in the podcasting world and the vlogging world.
	Good public speaker and like, you know, I'm pretty good at a number of things, but reasonably positive success in a number of things.
	So I'm not the worst guy in the world to get advice from.
	So that was what was kind of funny, was that after kind of half a lifetime of people not taking advice, you know, like, you know what I'm going to do?
	I'm going to go out in the world. I'm going to give people advice if that helps, right?
	So... But it's different, right?
	Because that's why I love you guys.
	Because, you know, you listen, right?
	Drew University is in Madison, New Jersey, the suburbs of New York City.
	Why didn't this idiot move out there?
	Oh, go further, right? Oh, go further.
	Philosophy guidance request. How to survive agile project micromanagement as a program.
	That may be more business than philosophy.
	Let's see here. You guys are saying all the time you try and help people and they just...
	The comfort of misery is an addictive thing.
	I don't want a solution.
	I want to be angry!
	Always, they're the former friends and family, had to cut them off.
	Yeah, you can't follow people down into the whirlpool of pathetic self-destruction if they won't take sensible solutions, right?
	Victimhood is the most addictive mindset.
	Isn't wearing two masks kind of like wearing two condoms?
	Well, I obviously had to wear two condoms for length.
	That's a challenge.
	My partner has issues with her parents and family.
	I suggest constantly therapy and having an honest conversation.
	Well, suggest consciously, right?
	Constantly means that they're not listening, right?
	Let's see here. D-Live thumbs up.
	Yes, D-Live thumbs up if you could.
	I would appreciate it. How much trash and what was in the...
	It was just a kitchen trash can.
	Any books for blended family?
	I answered this earlier.
	I don't know. I've not dealt with any blended families.
	I don't have a blended family. What are your thoughts on social anxieties and relationships?
	That's a bit broad. I don't mean to sound sexist, but that's a bit broad if you could narrow it down a little.
	I never thought of being bald as like I'm a woman with small tits.
	Is hair really like tits for women?
	I think so. Yeah.
	I mean, I think it's a fair analogy, right?
	So you can be bald and good-looking.
	Like, you can be a woman with small tits or no tits, really, and be fine-looking.
	But you've got to stay slender, right?
	Like, being bald like Jean-Luc Picard bald or Bruce Willis bald or, you know, like having some...
	It's helped me in life to be bald because I'm like, well, I've got to work out more, right?
	Okay, so because I certainly don't want to be bald and fat.
	Like, bald and fat, that's a bad combo.
	Like, you can be thick-haired and fat and you're just like this jolly clowny guy, right?
	But bald and fat is a really, really bad combo.
	And so yeah, I think that's the way to look at it.
	Like if you look at somebody, to take an extreme example, you look at somebody like a gymnast, like an adult gymnast, right?
	Don't look at children this way.
	If you look at an adult gymnast, right?
	Often they're quite small chested because being big chested is tough for dance.
	You know, like you're on time, but your tits were two seconds off, right?
	And gymnasts, I knew a woman who was a gymnast and then she developed large breasts and it was hell.
	She basically had to drop out. I also knew a woman who had this when she was a dancer.
	So, if you look at an adult gymnast, they have nice lean physiques and so on, but usually they're small-chested, but you don't sit there and say, well, they're unattractive, right?
	So, you can be bald, just make sure that you don't gain weight at the same time, because then you're just like a flatulent thumb.
	It's a bad idea, right? When will you be doing another crypto chat?
	Ah, yeah, it's a great question.
	I don't actually know.
	I'm trying to sort of figure these things out.
	I'll try and figure out a schedule.
	I've just had this idea.
	And, you know, as you sort of get financially more and more harmed by COVID and deplatforming and so on, you've got to kind of look for other things.
	If you'd like to help me out, freedomain.com forward slash donate.
	I would really appreciate that. What happens when you keep running into people who keep pretending that they want solutions, keep manipulating, etc.?
	What happens is you either choose to keep being manipulated or not.
	See, dissociating from destructive behavior is the kindest thing you can do to people.
	This is what people, I mean, not you guys, I'm sure, but people as a whole seem to have real trouble understanding this.
	Not bringing alcohol to a drunk is the kindest thing you can do for that person.
	Not engaging in and supporting and reinforcing people's bad behaviors, dysfunctional, destructive behaviors, is the kindest thing.
	If you love someone who's manipulating you, disengage from the manipulation and say, a condition Of my interaction with you is you stop manipulating me.
	Oh, I'm not manipulating you.
	You're projecting. You're the one manipulating me.
	Gaslight, gaslight, fog, fog, you know.
	Okay, look, no. You are manipulating me, and we'll prove it, right?
	Okay, no, no. That's my instinct, my feeling, and I have some examples and all of that, but...
	You know, like, there was this guy...
	Ah, forget it.
	No, it doesn't matter. Irrelevant story.
	Irrelevant story. Stay with you guys, right?
	So... People who are addicted to non-solutions, see, they feel that they're helpless with regards to the world, but what they actually are is helpless with regards to themselves.
	Right? So...
	I'm a duck and bob and weave kind of guy, right?
	You know what life is. You make an advancement, you get punched down.
	You succeed, and because of your success, you get targeted for takedown, like the tall poppy syndrome, right?
	It's kind of natural, right? So I've reinvented myself a whole bunch of times in this sort of bob and duck and weave situation.
	This happened recently. In the business world, it's happened in the philosophy podcasting world and so on.
	You've got to keep reinventing yourself because when you're really good at what you do and you're taking away money and views from other people, they'll target you and they'll pretend it's some ideological thing, but mostly it's money and Benjamins, right?
	So there's always something you can do.
	There's always something that you can do.
	To turn a negative into a positive.
	The choice of whether a negative stays a negative is absolutely up to you, right?
	So I got cancer, as you know, seven or eight years ago or something like that, kind of out of nowhere and it wasn't because I was a smoker or anything like that.
	And what do you do?
	Well, you try to make that into as much of a positive as possible.
	So I eat even better. I exercise even more.
	I wear even more big giant Tilly hats to keep the sun off me so I don't end up having to deal with skin cancer too.
	We've got blonde and blue-eyed, right?
	So, although blonde is a little bit in the rear view.
	So what can you do to say, fuck you, negative circumstances, I'm going to make this a boomerang positive.
	How do you do that?
	This is the big challenge in life.
	You get bad news and you're like, okay, what's the best that can come out of this, right?
	What's the best that I can do to make this as positive a thing as possible?
	That's your challenge in life.
	It's not surviving bad things.
	It's judo-momentuming them into good things.
	It's judo momenting those things into good things.
	Into good things.
	I was kind of tired of politics.
	I was kind of tired of Trump.
	I was kind of tired of no matter who you vote for, you get someone like Jared Kushner.
	I was kind of tired of Trump abandoning his base.
	I was kind of bored. And you knew that the election was going to be pretty one-sided.
	You knew that suppression was going to occur.
	So then, you know, I get kicked off a bunch of social media platforms.
	I get deplatformed from payment processes and so on.
	It's like, okay, so I can look at that as a big disaster.
	Oh, 15 years of work, down the drain, blah, blah.
	I can look at all of that that way if I want, for sure.
	And that's going to have me go down into a particular hole that's not good, right?
	And it's not even true. What is the truth of being deplatformed?
	That's a complicated question, but it's not simple.
	Are there negative aspects to being de-platformed?
	Absolutely. Are there positive aspects to being de-platformed?
	Absolutely. You can focus on the negative, or you can say, okay, this liberates me from the kind of responsibility that I had to influence things in the world, so I can now focus on the things that solely give me pleasure in philosophy,
	which is these kinds of conversations, conversations with the listeners and So I took a lot of responsibility off my shoulders and the reinvention is the key.
	The reinvention is the key. When I first got attacked in 2008 for being a cult leader for saying to people you don't have to spend time with abusive parents, I had to reinvent the show and start interviewing experts because people weren't aware that this is actually pretty common within the psychological literature.
	It just never gets out into the mainstream, right?
	So you just reinvent the show, right?
	And you just have to keep saying, okay, this thing, I can, you know, maybe I don't want it, I can view it as a negative, but how am I going to use the momentum of this negative to catapult me into a positive?
	That's the trick in life, right?
	That's the trick in life.
	In other words, how, like, you'd say, oh my god, I got cancer, right?
	Okay, how can I make Having cancer, something that I can view as a positive.
	I mean, you know, I get this is kind of tough.
	And look, mine wasn't fatal, so I get all of that, right?
	But even if it had been fatal, I could then finally say all the things I've been bottling up because I'd have no consequences, right?
	So, you know, even that would have a silver lining, right?
	So, that's the question.
	Now I look back and say, well, I've taken better care of my health.
	I've taken better care of my skin.
	De-platforming means my eyes will last longer because I'm not, you know, like this all the time.
	So there's pluses to all of this, right?
	I get to spend more time with my family.
	I get to spend more time just doing things that I really enjoy that I wasn't doing because I was on this massive treadmill of cranking out truthabouts and interviews and shows and reading three books a week, right?
	There's pluses. You know, let's say that being deplatformed has me live a couple of years longer.
	Those couple of years I will really enjoy and will be very glad that I'm deplatformed.
	Who knows? I don't know. But you can make the choices and say, okay, this negative thing has happened to me, but I don't know whether it's negative or positive.
	The very same forces that deplatformed me are driving up the price of crypto.
	That's interesting, right?
	I mean, that's very interesting.
	How do you know it's a negative?
	That's something that really bears examining.
	Something, oh my gosh, this is a terrible thing.
	I don't want it. It's really bad.
	How do you know it's a negative?
	How do you know? Because when you think in your life, when you think back in your life, right?
	You think, I don't know, think of some girl who broke up with you.
	And at the time you were like, oh my gosh, this is terrible.
	I don't want this girl to break up with me.
	I'm lonely. I want her back.
	Right? And I spent a whole summer once when I was working up north obsessing about an ex-girlfriend, writing her poems and letters and all of that.
	And, you know, we sort of floated around the idea of getting back together.
	And then she eventually is like, nope.
	And I was crushed, crushed, crushed.
	But I'm so happy with my wife that I look back at that and say, well, that's something I didn't want her to say no to getting back together at the time.
	And I viewed it as a big negative, massive negative, and I went, oh, we've got to get back together, we've got to get back together, right?
	And you know what would have happened now in hindsight looking back.
	If we'd gotten back together, it would have taken us approximately three days to go, oh, that's why we broke up.
	I remember now. I remember now.
	So that thing which was a negative, which I desperately didn't want to have happen, I'm very glad now happened because it opened up my heart to new relationships, which eventually led me to where I am, which is a pretty good place in life.
	It's a pretty great place in life in many ways, right?
	I didn't have kids when I wanted to have kids, for reasons I won't sort of get into here.
	I didn't have kids when I wanted to have kids.
	But because I was delayed in having children, I had the kind of career where I could stay home and spend a lot of time with my daughter.
	So even not having kids when I wanted to have kids, which I thought was a terrible thing at the time for many years, turned out to be a positive thing in that if I'd had kids when I wanted, I would have stayed in the business world and I wouldn't have had much time with my daughter compared to the amazing time that we've had together for the 12 years that we've been together.
	Almost 13 if you count the pregnancy.
	So how do you know?
	You don't know! Maybe you'll know in 10 years, maybe you'll know in 20 years.
	And for the most part, for the most part, the things that I thought were negative turned out to not be so negative.
	The things that I thought were really positive turned out to be not so positive.
	Sometimes. It's a real yin-yang thing, right?
	And trying to extract the positive from something that seems really negative, how can you extract the positive out of COVID? This is a big question, right?
	It's a thing that's happened. How can you extract a positive out of COVID? So with COVID... Because we have fewer distractions in terms of travel, in terms of night clubbing, in terms of raves, in terms of dating, in terms of Tinder, in terms of sex, because we have fewer distractions, we can focus more on meaning, on depth, on virtue, on passion, on power in our lives.
	We can focus on the quality of our relationships.
	Discard the ones that don't work.
	Nurture and grow the ones that do work.
	Find new ones if none of them work and you can't fix them.
	And then what you can do is you can look back and you can say, damn, I'm so glad for COVID. It's awful that it happened and it's awful that 100 million people plus have been infected and it's awful that however many people have died.
	That's terrible. But for me personally, how can I turn this into a positive?
	Because it's happening whether you turn it into a negative or you turn it into a positive.
	It's happening either way.
	So you might as well find some way to turn this into a positive.
	What can you do to clean house that you wouldn't have done if COVID hadn't come?
	Because you have fewer distractions now, right?
	Maybe you can save more money.
	Maybe you can start that online business you've always thought about.
	Maybe you can clean up all your relationships.
	Maybe you can commit to learning an instrument.
	Maybe you can do something where you sit there and say, well, COVID was terrible, but I did the very best that I could with it.
	The very best that I could with it.
	I took that situation, turned it on its ass, and turned shit into gold.
	Thank you, Communist China, for giving me the opportunity to...
	Don't let it wear you down.
	Don't let it drag you down. Don't let the undertow take you to the bottom of the ocean and jam your head in Davy Jones' locker while the lid slams on your back until you turn into a turtle.
	Don't let that happen. Don't let that happen.
	Everything that's a pile of shit is a portal of opportunity.
	If you want it to be.
	If you want it to be.
	Listen, if I can find the positives in cancer, you can find the positives in this.
	And I could. I started taking a lot more risks.
	Because, you know, once you stare down something mortal like cancer, you know, online negative stuff doesn't matter as much, right?
	So I was like, okay, I can use this to fuel my courage and my commitment to philosophy.
	That's your choice, man. That's your choice.
	Everything that comes at you that is a big negative.
	Do you know, going bald for me, which I didn't want at the time, I don't think really men do really want it, of course, right?
	It's a huge plus.
	It's a huge plus.
	Because it caused me to work more on my character.
	It had me stop just relying on my looks.
	It caused me to commit to exercise and eating well to stay lean.
	Oh, not lean. It's not overweight, right?
	And it's been a huge... And I don't have to worry about my hair doing shows and stuff.
	So it saved me thousands of hours over the years.
	Kids kept me healthier. And it had me focused more on qualities of character than, you know, just being a hot young thing and all of that.
	So, my God. It's not like I sit there.
	I would choose that. But what I desperately didn't want at the time has become a massive plus for me.
	If I had stayed that shallow, sleep-around player...
	When I was a hot young thing, my God!
	I could have wrecked myself.
	I probably would have.
	I wouldn't be where I am now.
	Wouldn't have. The quality of the show, which is largely due to the quality of my relationships in my life, wouldn't be there.
	And, you know, the people who've gone the sleep-around route, the hot young male or female thing route, well, that's all gone to shit under COVID, right?
	It's a bad plan. It's a bad plan.
	Hello from lockdown, Perth.
	Hello. It's not a valid comparison at all.
	Small tits are fine. Being bald is less fine.
	But it helps if your head shape doesn't suck.
	Small tits can be weird looking too, so I don't know about that, right?
	X tagged because of your bad language.
	Potty mouth. No idea.
	I lost a great friend to victimhood because his wife played into it and his friends wouldn't.
	She finally won out. No, you lost a great friend because of his choices, not because of his wife, because his wife was part of his choice, right?
	X tag was applied for anything ever remotely political.
	Yeah, that's true. Could you do some philosophy for a seven-year-old?
	I often listen to you in my car with him, but can be inappropriate.
	Still sparks great convo.
	I mean, I've thought of that. I've thought of that as a whole.
	I don't know. I'll mull it over.
	I'll mull it over. Thank you. Being fat sucks regardless of breast size.
	That's true. Hair and fat like Riker.
	Riker from Star Trek?
	Jason Statham bald.
	Yeah. Cool athletic guy, right?
	How will humanity evolve past leftism?
	The same way it always does, through massive tragedies that unfortunately remove the dumb.
	What gets to me is when my wife looks to be the one proposing solutions to these stubborn people while I tell her to cut these people off.
	So you have to have respect for empiricism.
	Empiricism is the key. Like I always say to people, I'm an empiricist, I'm an empiricist, I'm an empiricist.
	So you've got to give yourself a cutoff, man.
	You know, like, for me, when I was younger, I'd ask a girl out twice.
	After that, nope, if she doesn't want to go out with me, right?
	So maybe the first time she's just had a, she's in a bad mood, she's got a headache, she doesn't write whatever, she's interested in someone else, so I'll ask her out, and you know, you look for the boomerang, right?
	You say, do you want to go out Saturday?
	And she says, I can't Saturday, but how about Sunday?
	Okay, that's a good thing if she says, I'm busy Saturday, dot, dot, dot, nothing, nothing, nothing, okay, then she's probably less interested.
	So you've got to give yourself a cutoff, man.
	Because otherwise you're just revolving door, stuck in a circle, right?
	So for me, ask a girl out twice if she doesn't say yes for the second time, I'm done, right?
	Okay, I move on to someone who wants to go out with me because obviously she has no taste whatsoever and that's genuinely how I felt.
	Like, you don't want to go out with me.
	What's the matter with you?
	You've got to be crazy. Why wouldn't you go out with me?
	I'm funny. I'm warm and intelligent.
	Great conversationalist. Fairly decent looking.
	Got a nice body. Like, why on earth would you...
	Who are you waiting for?
	Come on. Give me a break, right?
	Somebody with the hell of good hair maybe or whatever, right?
	So with your wife, you've got to say, okay, you've tried how many times now?
	Come on. How many times?
	Now, if you've tried 20 times to get your friends to change and they won't change, Then you've got to ask your wife, okay, if you say no to a guy 20 times and he keeps asking you out, is he either A, persistent, or B, a creepy fucking stalker? That's your basic question, right?
	Because if somebody keeps doing something repetitively and the other person doesn't want it or doesn't like it or won't change in response to it, stop doing it.
	You're stalking them. You're not friends.
	You're like some... Mind control, Svengali guru trying to hypnotize them into doing things your way when they clearly don't want to.
	Just ask your wife. If a guy asks you out the 21st time, are you going to say yes?
	Be like, no, I'm going to call the cops, right?
	Stop stalking people. All right.
	I'm miserable in the country with $100,000 or more in cash.
	I'm lonely and don't know what to do, where to go, or how to find direction.
	I'm 30. I'm sorry about that.
	And this, you know, goes to show, right?
	This goes to show that money is not going to buy you happiness.
	Like when I was a kid, I wanted to be wealthy.
	Oh my God, did I want to be wealthy.
	I remember having conversations with my friends.
	Oh, if you had a million pounds, what would you buy?
	Oh, I'd buy a 747 and fly all over the world because we didn't know what a million pounds meant when we were five, right?
	And in my very first dream, very first dream I remember having, I must have been like two or three years old, I was going through a dark, Forest, glimmer of light on the horizon, didn't know if it was sunset or sunrise, going through a very very dark forest, finding a tree, seeing a faint Almost like a, you ever see something in the forest, you don't know if it's fungus or light.
	You know, it's like a patch there, you don't know if it's light, it could be a little bit of fungus.
	Not like the iridescent plankton in the ocean, but just a little bit of, a little patch or something.
	Could that be like a reflection or something?
	I saw that at the base of a tree and I began digging.
	Out of curiosity, not frantically, began digging.
	And there was a hollowed out part under the tree with glowing gold.
	Glowing gold. Down there.
	And I took it up and I was...
	My God, I was so overjoyed.
	You grow up poor, man.
	Money is your God. I hate to say it, but it just is your salvation.
	Because what you do is you say, well, the reason we're miserable is because we're poor.
	And no. The reason you're poor is because you're miserable.
	And that's what you get. People say, oh, well...
	And you should watch Crossfire, the movie...
	Crossfire.movie, something like that.
	It's Lauren Southern's latest work with Scooter.
	But she puts paid to the notion, and I've talked about it in the past too, that crime isn't high because the neighborhood is poor.
	The neighborhood is poor because crime is high.
	This has been teased out statistically and algorithmically forever, right?
	It's a well-known phenomenon in criminology.
	So when you're a kid, if your family's poor, you say, well, the problem is the lack of money.
	And if we had money, we'd be like the richer families and happier and more stable and less screaming and yelling and whatever, right?
	And so you think, well, it's the stress of poverty that's causing it.
	It's like, that's not true. It's not true at all.
	I had this fantasy, of course, when I was a kid, that the salvation was going to be money.
	Maybe you had this too. Gotta get the money.
	And Scott Adams talks about this.
	He didn't say the exact size of the check, but I can guess.
	Like, when he was really big in the 90s, he got his first big check for Dilbert, and I guess probably like $10 million or something like that, which he'd always wanted.
	And he got so depressed for months afterwards, because now he had nothing to shoot for, right?
	You shoot for virtue, you'll never achieve it perfectly, so you've always got something to go for, and you don't decay in it.
	Physically, I can't do at 55, almost 55, what I could do at 35 or 25, so the body stuff decays, but virtue and knowledge can continue to expand until the scythe cuts your brain in two.
	So I had this fantasy that the glowing gold was going to bring me happiness, and so when I was holding this gold as a little toddler in my dream, and I Man, I woke up.
	I don't think I've ever been that sad in my life.
	I don't think I've ever been that sad in my life.
	And I woke up as a kid and realized that I was just, I had nothing.
	Just a dark room in a shitty neighborhood with broken, vicious people.
	That was it. There was no gold.
	There was no salvation. There was no, nothing was coming.
	And I was trapped in this hell prison of a family structure.
	For, you know, you're three.
	It feels like forever, right?
	I said, that was a low point, man.
	It's a low point, low point to start.
	And I mean, I get it now.
	I mean, I understand the dream now, sort of.
	I understood it later. The dream was that the gold is going to the roots of things, looking for the faint patch of light and going.
	You go to the root and you'll get the gold.
	And this is why going to the root of ethics, going to the root of the truth, going to the root of philosophy, going to the root of society, going to the root of the family.
	That's where the gold is.
	And the gold is the people who are in my life now and you wonderful people.
	And that is as beautiful an environment as I can imagine.
	And it makes up for so much.
	I can't even tell you. And I just thank you so much.
	Thank you so much for this incredible gift of these conversations and this ability to do what I do.
	It's an amazing thing.
	I'm so appreciative of it, and I hope that I make that clear when I talk to you just how incredibly appreciative it is.
	The gold is you guys.
	The gold is the people in my life.
	The gold is UPB. The gold is real-time relationships.
	The gold is everyday anarchy.
	The gold is against the gods.
	The gold is the work on parenting.
	That's the gold, and it comes from going to the roots, not staying on the surface, going to the roots, going to the underneath that supports the up.
	A tree grows down as much as it grows up.
	And what's visible is incredibly fragile unless you know and reinforce what's at the bottom.
	So, I understand that money...
	And I remember listening to that.
	I buy you a diamond ring, my friend, if it'll make you feel all right.
	I don't care too much for money.
	Money can't buy me love.
	And... I never believed that when I was a kid.
	I'll take some diamond rings.
	Yay! You know, it'd be great.
	And so I know.
	I know what you're talking about. The money is not going to make you happy.
	And in fact, the money takes away the purpose and the everyday struggle that substitutes for happiness.
	Survival substitutes for happiness for so many people.
	So, I mean, this brings us to a complex topic, which is the relationship between need and meaning.
	Thank you.
	Need and meaning. I need the world to pursue philosophy.
	I need the world to pursue philosophy.
	To view reason and evidence as the North Star, the guiding principles.
	I need the world to do that.
	And I'm naked about that need.
	It's my OnlyFans.
	I'm naked about that need.
	I need for my daughter, for my life, for my future, for my culture, for my family.
	I need the world. And so need...
	It breeds purpose.
	And purpose breeds meaning.
	Need, purpose, meaning. That's the dominoes, right?
	So if you have no meaning, it's because you have no purpose.
	And if you have no purpose, it's because you don't need anything.
	And maybe you don't need things because you have the money.
	So you've got to figure out what you need.
	What do you need? What do you need in the world?
	What do you need? Not just for you, right?
	Not just for you. I mean, with regards to this article I was reading earlier, my God, if you want to get out of being neurotic, focus on other people.
	Forget about yourself. There's this navel-gazing that goes on with neurotic people, but they're constantly monitoring their own thoughts and their own feelings, and I need this therapy, and I need this pill, and I've got to do my breathing exercises, and I need to be zen, and this person's upsetting me, and I've got to control this, and I've got to manage that.
	Oh my God, just go and help someone, for God's sakes, and stop looking at your own fucking innards the whole time.
	Go and help someone.
	Go and make the world a better place.
	Go and volunteer at a soup kitchen.
	Go and help a homeless person.
	Go and reason someone into doing better.
	Go and oppose a lie. Just stop thinking about yourself all the goddamn time.
	It's exhausting. It's debilitating.
	And it's such a circular whirlpool into nothingness.
	Like she's anxious because she's not focusing on other people.
	She's not unable to focus on other people because she's anxious.
	She's anxious because she's not focusing on other people.
	You know, her son is sick and all she can think about is, well, it's really about me.
	And actually, I'm more worried about myself.
	And I've got this business meeting to do.
	And here's your iPad. And I don't even really care that much if he gets sick or even if he dies.
	I'm really worried about myself.
	I think that, like, you've got a whole person outside this talking, yammering, joke, teeth chatterbox going on in the head.
	The best way to...
	Overleap your Enter the dragon, hall of mirrors, disco ball of self-reflections.
	Just leap over your own wall.
	Go out into the world. Make things better for other people.
	It can be within your family. It can be within your community.
	It can be in some online community.
	Just go and ask people how they're doing.
	Go and help someone. Go and help people.
	Go and make the world a better place.
	So what do you need? What do you need?
	Now, if you can't figure out what you need, then you're not going to find out your purpose, and then you're not going to get your meaning.
	Meaning is, am I achieving the goal of getting closer to my purpose?
	Right? My purpose is truth.
	Right? My purpose is truth.
	Having a smaller audience now is simply a fact.
	It's true that my success led to deplatforming, which has a smaller and more concentrated audience.
	I still think it's about the same number of people who actually get shit done in the world, so that's not particularly relevant, but that's just a fact, right?
	It's a truth about what happened.
	It's a fact. And since my purpose is truth, that's just another fact.
	It's just another truth that has happened in the world that I can understand and learn from.
	And there are great things to learn from it, which I've talked about before.
	So what do you need?
	What do you need in the world?
	What do you need? What do you need the world to do?
	Say, oh, well, I'm lonely. Okay, so I need someone.
	So, the world doesn't care about that.
	The world doesn't care about that.
	The world doesn't care what you need, doesn't care what you want, doesn't care that I wanted a philosophy show, doesn't care that I wanted to be published, doesn't care that I wanted to have a positive influence on the reasonableness of the world.
	The world doesn't care about that. In fact, it often opposes it massively.
	So, what do you need? So, I need the world to be interested in philosophy.
	I need the world to be interested in philosophy.
	Because the alternative is theology or communism.
	Theology or fascism.
	Theology or totalitarianism, which is kind of two sides of the same coin.
	I don't want to live in a theological dictatorship and I don't want to live in a secular dictatorship, both of which are harmful to me.
	Toxic. So I need the world to be interested in philosophy.
	So what do I do? Well, you know.
	That's why you're here. I need the world to be interested in philosophy, so I need to make philosophy interesting to the world.
	You understand, right?
	That's how this works, right?
	Where I need, I must provide to get what I want.
	If I need you to be interested in philosophy, I need to make philosophy interesting to you.
	If philosophy, if your interest in philosophy has value to me, Then the first thing I must do is make philosophy have value to you.
	To you. Not anybody else.
	To you. You. You.
	You. If you want someone to buy your pizza, you've got to make that pizza tasty to people.
	Your need is your service.
	I need you to be interested in philosophy.
	I need to make philosophy interesting to you.
	That's how I serve my needs, how I serve philosophy, how I serve the future.
	And once I'm serving, Something bigger than myself, I stop being self-obsessed.
	I stop being neurotic. I'm serving something larger than myself.
	Serving the futures, the truth, virtue, humanity.
	So you say, I'm lonely.
	I need someone. Okay. If you want someone to need you, then you've got to provide them something they want.
	Because we're adults. You don't have to do this when you're a baby.
	You don't have to do this when you're a toddler or a kid, but now you're an adult, which means nobody owes you anything.
	Nobody owes you anything.
	In fact, the last thing they want to do is give you anything because it interferes with what they want in the world, usually, right?
	Say, I'm lonely, I'm lonely.
	I need someone to care about me.
	Okay, great.
	I think that's wonderful. That's a need that you have.
	So how are you going to get that need satisfied?
	Got to provide value to people.
	Got to provide value to people.
	The value that I've provided in this show is virtually limitless in terms of personal liberation, better parenting, non-circumcision, non-hitting, bitcoin, value, increase, investment, you name it.
	The value that I have provided is massive in this conversation.
	This is why I feel comfortable asking freedomain.com forward slash donate.
	Come on. Be fair.
	Be reasonable, right? Return value for value.
	It's justice. Justice. Return value for value.
	So, when you think, oh, I'm lonely, oh, I need someone to care about me, that's great.
	How are you going to get someone to care about you?
	Well, not like a mom or a dad who has to do it because you're there and they chose to have you and they have no choice and there's no alternative.
	That's subsidization, that's fine in the family, but kind of a weird, creepy socialism, you know, from each according to their ability to each according to their need.
	Other people have an excess of affection and I need affection, so they're going to...
	That's just communism. It's communism with the cock, so to speak, right?
	Sexuality and romance based upon your need, right, and other people must provide.
	No, no. To be an adult, you must exchange value for value.
	That's the definition of adulthood.
	If you want someone to care for you, you have to give them a reason.
	You have to give them a benefit for caring for you.
	Make me less lonely will only breed contempt for you because you're greedy.
	You're not exchanging value for value.
	You have a need. Through that need, you have a purpose, and your purpose is to provide value to people.
	To have them want to call you, to have them want to interact with you, to have them want to see you.
	Provide value to people.
	How are you going to provide value to people?
	I mean, real-time relationships, honesty, virtue, truth, curiosity, empathy, courage, support, having people's back.
	All of this is part of the gold that you can bring to people.
	And then some people won't return because they'll be in your primitive state of I need, I need, I need, and they won't return.
	Okay, move on. Move on.
	If somebody doesn't pay you for the pizza they take, get them out of the store.
	Don't have them come back in because they're thieves, right?
	You got your need, then you got your purpose.
	Through your purpose, you will get your meaning.
	Need people. Purposes provide value.
	The meaning is the happiness and the love that you get from that union.
	I hope that helps, but you won't get it for money.
	And the great temptation, if you have money, of course, is to try and buy people.
	And don't do that, of course, right? Do you have call-in shows still?
	Yes. Are the hallucinogens for PTSD legit?
	Tempting because the therapy-based alternatives are a very challenging multi-year grant?
	I don't know. I have my skepticism about hallucinogens, but I don't know.
	You should really look up the science, right?
	Better fully bald than a comb-over.
	I quite agree with that.
	They switched my department from salary to hourly.
	We are not allowed to get overtime, so I work 10-hour days to take days off.
	That's good. How do you think that parenting multiple children differs from only one child?
	It's much more complex in many ways, for sure.
	I don't know. It's a very general question, so I'd need sort of more.
	It depends if there's males or females and the age differences and so on.
	Is the underlying issue a need for attention?
	It doesn't matter if it is positive or negative.
	They need to constantly be at the center.
	Well, in this story that I read from this woman, the New York Times woman, this is supposedly about her son is the one who's sick, And all she talks about is herself.
	Like her son is the one she's put in terror of this disease and all she talks about is herself.
	And it's really tough to see.
	It's really tough to see. Good.
	I thought you might have been pretty bummed for a while after you were kicked off YouTube.
	Well, that's the challenge, right?
	The challenge is how do I turn this into a positive?
	My father needs to hear this message right now.
	He's been struggling with a very painful mystery illness for a year now.
	Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
	I'm so sorry. Float.app and bitwave.tv are better.
	Yeah, I'm on Bitwave and I'm on Float.
	Telling people you're not beholden to relationships with biological relatives is the opposite of kelp building.
	Yeah, of course. A cult is brainwashing you into believing that relationships are necessary regardless if they're a negative result for you.
	Abusive families are kind of that definition of a cult in that if you try to leave, you're a bad person and the only good people stay and you can't have any demand or request for better behavior or better treatment in that relationship and you'll be punished for leaving and you'll be rewarded For staying, but only if you comply with the dysfunction, right?
	That's kind of culty. So dysfunctional families are the cult, which is why they project and call me the cultist, right?
	That reminds me of the story of the Chinese farmer who gets a new horse, horse breaks his son's leg, which saves him from a military draft.
	That's, yeah, I mean, there's this kind of truth in this, right?
	Can you bring a wife on the show so we can have proof that a good woman exists?
	Yeah. No.
	No, sorry. Yes, wife reveal.
	She's great. She's great.
	What have we got here? Lack of distraction triggers my PTSD. Are the hallucinogens for PTSD legit?
	Yeah, again, sorry. I can't give you that kind of advice.
	It's way out of my wheelhouse.
	Not giving an F made me cold as ice.
	Yeah, I can see that. What is the most secure way to buy Bitcoin?
	Using apps like Robinhood, just go through a bank account which government can raid.
	Bitcoin and privacy, Bitcoin and security, I'm not giving any advice about that because what if it fails, but you can look this kind of stuff up for sure.
	Can Izzy do philosophy for kids?
	It's a very interesting question.
	I will talk about that with her.
	I appreciate that 100 million dent didn't kill these ideologies well that's the lack of empathy that we're talking about in the show right Okay.
	I turned 33 in a few days.
	Illuminati confirmed! I was just thinking the other day that the real proof of conspiracy theories is the phrase conspiracy theory.
	Like if you were in power and you were working with your friends to maintain and expand that power, wouldn't it be grateful to have a phrase like conspiracy theory that you could use to just discredit and destroy anyone who tried to point out that rich people tend to collude with each other and powerful people tend to collude with each other?
	Of course, right? Thank you for everything, Sis Hadian.
	You've improved my life immensely, which has allowed me to improve the quality of lives around me.
	Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
	Money is independence from terrible people.
	It can be for sure, but it doesn't mean that you then are in the orbit of good people.
	So that's kind of tough, right? Barbara says, I'm very appreciative of you, Steph.
	People can ostracize me all they want.
	I won't stop supporting you. Well, I appreciate that.
	I really do. But remember, it's really philosophy.
	And I'm not saying I am philosophy, but, you know, it is philosophy that you are supporting and not me as an individual because the only reason you would support me is because I bring philosophy to the world.
	So I appreciate that.
	Thank you very much. Money is only property to get more property.
	I don't agree with that.
	I thank you, Stefan, for showing me the way and for those who walk with me on the path.
	Well, I thank you too, brother. I appreciate that.
	Most people are not virtuous.
	Why should anyone care what the need?
	I'm not sure what that means.
	I need to go to work after this cup of coffee.
	Okay. Well, enjoy your work.
	freedomain.com forward slash donate.
	If you have money, women will appear.
	Yes, that's not too bad.
	Stefan should do an initial coin offering so we can invest in him.
	I've thought of that. Sexy StephCoin 101.
	This is what I call value.
	I appreciate that.
	Thank you very much. The $400 million pizza.
	Yeah, somebody spent 10,000 bucks on it.
	10,000 Bitcoin, sorry, on pizza.
	If on homeschools and children, how you can prepare them for the life out there, meaning social skills with peers, etc.?
	Because homeschooling with quality relationships is an inoculation against predatory relationships.
	You don't want your kids going out into the world and having relationships like the ones they have at school where you're in a forced government indoctrination internment camp with sociopaths.
	Come on, you don't want them.
	It's like saying, put them in jail so that they can be really good when they go to jail.
	It's like, no, you don't want them in those relationships that they would prepare for in school.
	You don't want them anywhere near those relationships as a whole, right?
	Why should I keep moving on from people who won't appreciate the gold when I'm always meeting new people who don't appreciate the gold?
	If you appreciate the gold more, I know this sounds zen and weird, but if you appreciate the gold more, you will find those people.
	Call-in shows are great, inspiring stuff.
	Thank you very much. I appreciate that.
	As an old person, I can say I needed to go through the trials to be in the happy place I am now.
	Appreciate that. Philosophy got me ostracized by most people in my life and reduced my salary by a lot.
	I feel good about it and have no regrets.
	Well... You know, I mean, I do sometimes look at the alternative paths in life, right?
	Like I was saying on the investment call today, that, you know, I was really tempted to go and be a crypto evangelist and crypto guru and, you know, that would have had certain pluses, to put it mildly, and would have avoided certain minuses, to put it mildly. But...
	Someone said something on the internet worth remembering.
	They said someone somewhere has been sitting in their basement eating Cheetos and climbing every crypto gap to make money.
	And what if they ended up with?
	Yeah, a lot of money, but someone, right?
	Cult is another one of those words like anarchy, where the textbook definition is nothing even close to how people use the word.
	Well, I would argue that government schools are culty, right?
	I mean, you're forced to be there, you're forced to pay, and if you try and get out, they'll punish you like hell, right?
	All right. Are teachers slash professors the most destructive group of people in the Western world?
	No, because they have no power if parents don't put their kids in their environment.
	So no, the most destructive group of people in the world are abusive parents.
	I would invest at least $69 into StephCoin.
	I get it. I'm so down for Steph coin.
	Frito coin. Molly coin!
	Where do you usually read gossip?
	I don't like to read gossip. I like to talk gossip.
	If I have a weakness, it's probably that.
	My fault for a misunderstanding last week regarding my question about free will.
	I wasn't using the formal definition of self-evidency.
	I'm not sure that's cleared up a lot, but shoot me an email at callinatfreedomain.com and we'll do a debate about it.
	All right. Philosophy as a financial sewer vest is not the best-selling point.
	Well, but I'm not here to sell.
	I'm here to tell the truth, right?
	And why could we no longer watch you on the call-in shows?
	That's one reason that me and my friends watch, to see your face.
	I appreciate that and I'll probably get back into it.
	I'm just enjoying not staring at a camera for two hours.
	I'll do it for these because I'm doing these shows as well, right?
	I do like one of these, sometimes two of these a week.
	And I'm, you know, getting older.
	I want to save my eyesight for old age.
	So looking, like even when I look at this camera, I'm actually looking at the wall behind the camera.
	So I'm not focused too close on the camera because, you know, got to give your eyes a break, right?
	2020-20. So I will get back into the call-in shows and visuals and so on.
	What podcasts do you follow regularly?
	Well, I don't mind a couple of true crime ones.
	I don't really follow podcasts that much, but Crime Junkies is kind of fun, and All Crime All the Time is kind of fun.
	It's obviously a little dark, but it's interesting to watch those shows develop as they have into talking more about childhood as the origin for criminal behavior, which is quite important, right?
	Let's see here. I need to follow some new podcasts.
	Ideas. You slut.
	You anti-philosophical slut.
	Just kidding. See, Scott Adams is pretty cool to listen to because he almost never raises his voice.
	Like, I'm not a great guy to fall asleep to, but if you want to fall asleep, and I'm not trying to diss Scott Adams' show, which is kind of interesting and kind of funny and fun, but he's got a very even kind of vocal inflection, so he's not going to Get loud.
	At the end of Crime Junkies, they have this music that if you haven't already fallen asleep, right?
	But he's a very relaxing guy to listen to, and he's got a lot of insights and smart things to say.
	It doesn't add up to much for me, but it's very insightful and interesting.
	My kids are a six-girl-and-two-boy-and-seven-month-girl.
	I asked about multiple kids. I'd love to do a call-in.
	Yeah, call-in at freedomain.com.
	Let's set it up. I appreciate that.
	Hey all, hey Steph, says Melonious Thonk.
	Hey, that's like the jazz musician.
	Do you have any strong opinions on Gnosticism?
	Is it truly heresy? I don't.
	I see Gnosticism, I just think of how you spell gnolls in Dungeons& Dragons, so I don't really have much value to add to that.
	All right. Should we stop before two hours?
	Yeah, we should probably stop before two hours.
	I think somehow people just prefer a show that's not two hours as yet.
	Please donate to Steph. He provides value and we should all reciprocate.
	I appreciate that and I thank you for your support, freedomand.com forward slash donate.
	So have yourselves a great, great evening.
	Thank you again so, so much for this conversation.
	It brings out the best in me, which I think is going to bring out the best in the future.
	24-hour endurance stream.
	Hmm. And that 12-hour livestream, would you guys?
	Nobody would watch a 12-hour livestream, would you?
	I mean, I could do it. I'd be happy to do it.
	I think it'd be fun. But I'm not sure how many people would actually watch.
	Two hours is perfect. Can't get too much Steph time, though.
	StephBots for the win. That's right.
	All right. Yeah, thanks, everyone, so much.
	Great chats. Have a great evening.
	Lots of love from up here.
	I'll talk to you soon.
	Well, thank you so much for enjoying this latest free domain show on philosophy.
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