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May 20, 2020 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
01:04:28
EMMA WATSON vs 11 YEAR OLD!
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Alright, it's us.
Yes it is. It's Stefan and...
Izzy. Now, we are reading an article from a place called Vogue.
Now, Vogue is a fashion magazine, so obviously it's something you're completely fascinated by.
You can't see that face, probably quite wise.
So, Vogue is a fashion magazine.
You can see here she's got a lot of fashion on.
And makeup. She's wearing makeup.
About four pounds of makeup.
Yeah, what is that? Is she going fishing?
Is that a safety hook? I think so.
I don't know what that is. Anyway. Maybe it's a safety hook so her makeup doesn't fall out?
I'm kidding. So, we know this woman, Emma Watson, because we watched some of the Harry Potter movies, which, as you said, were kind of forgettable.
I thought the first one was pretty good, and after that it just got kind of silly.
I remember the one with the snakey viper thing.
That one was depressing because it died.
The sniper... No, the...
And then we saw her in a movie, and actually, no fault of her, she's a fine actress, but I completely forgot that we'd seen her in Beauty and the Beast.
Yeah. And I remember seeing a long time ago, you called it the Angry Tiger movie, when you were a kid.
That's the first time you told me not to eat candy.
Yeah, I remember you were eating the Sour Patch Kids, and I was looking at you, and I just said, Dad, that's a lot.
Yeah, because I had the conveyor belt going, like just the auto-arm.
Oh my god, I have that. I have that. When I'm eating popcorn or something, I'll just start eating, and then I'll be like, oh my god, what have I done?
But I remember I said something like, Dad, I think that's a lot of sugar, or something like that.
How old are you? I think I'm three.
I think I'm three. You were pretty young.
And I said, Dad. We're going to go see the Angry Tiger movie.
Yeah, I think I said, Dad, that's a lot of Sour Patch Kids or sugar or something like that.
And then do you know what I said? What?
No, I didn't. Like I did for the makeup.
Right. So this woman, she's famous.
She's an actor and an activist.
Now, do you know what an activist is?
Not really. All right. So...
I run a philosophy show.
Yes. Because, you know, I think philosophy is really, really important to the world and I want people to learn philosophy and study philosophy and understand philosophy.
And so I write books, I do shows, I do presentations, I do speeches, all that kind of stuff, right?
Now that's called doing something.
Yeah. Right? Now an activist is someone, they don't do it.
Oh, they just say it. But they complain to the government that it should be done.
Yeah. Right? So those are the two different things.
So if I was a philosophy activist rather than a philosopher, what would I be doing?
You'd just be saying to the government probably like, oh, we should like less government and like more free will and stuff like that and less taxes.
Maybe, maybe.
No, I think it would be more like this.
I think it would be, I think philosophy is really, really important.
So I would go to the government and say, you should really fund philosophy.
We should introduce philosophy.
Other people should pay for it through taxes.
We should have philosophy everywhere.
And I wouldn't actually be doing philosophy.
I would be wanting philosophy and the government to provide it.
So that's an activist in general.
They don't do things themselves, but they whine, complain, and nag the government until the government usually just kind of gives way and makes them go away by giving them money.
Well, the thing is, like, it would be like a global warming person, or I forget what they're actually called, so I'm going to call them global warming.
An activist. Yeah, like, they could even, like, I bet you there are tons of people out there who go complaining to the government about, like, global warming and all the factories and everything, and then they start smoking and, like, you know, driving their car along places, or leaving their car on when they sit in their parking lot.
Oh, like when they have these global warming conferences, everybody flies private jets to get there.
I mean, it's mad, right? Oh, and then when, like, what was it, I think it was...
Obama or, um, Adele or something, they were still complaining about global warming and saying, like, the water's gonna rise and they bought, they both, I think both of them bought a house, like, right next to the water.
I can't remember if it was Adele, but definitely, um, Bill, no, Bill Gates.
Bill Gates, okay. And, and Barack Obama bought, like, like, water right, like, houses right by the water, like, million dollar houses.
Like, you step out, you go swimming.
Yeah, yeah, you step out, it's like, hello, right?
Yeah. And so, but the other thing, too, is, um, So if you're concerned about global warming, what you should do, of course, is you should go plant trees to take the CO2 out of the air and replace it with oxygen.
You should maybe try and invent some way of cleaning factories so that they produce less smoke and so on.
But that would be actually being an engineer or a farmer.
So if you're an activist about global warming, what do you do with it?
Oh, you go to the government.
And you say? We need a tax.
Something should change, right? I don't know.
I think I said like one word that type of thing.
So when you think activist, in general, there are some exceptions, but you should generally think...
Professional winery. That's my way to do it.
No, I mean, if I believed in global warming, which I don't, obviously, because it's not true, but I would go and I'd plant all my trees.
Like, look, I love plants and I still plant plants, but, I mean, I would just go and I'd plant, like, trees in my backyard.
I'd maybe go to a park and I'd just put some tree seeds in the park, if you're allowed to do that.
I'm pretty sure you are. I don't think they mind if there are more trees in the park.
I don't think so. Like, I mean, there's, like, some, not even a, like, a playground park, like, just a park where you kind of walk around and stuff.
I don't really... They should really...
Put different names for those.
Playgrounds and parks. How about that?
Like a park or something and I just, you know, plant trees there, plant flowers, stuff like that.
I mean, we accept that factories and so on and cars, they do produce CO2, right?
So we accept that.
That's basic fact. And CO2 does contribute to warming.
That's, you know, that's why greenhouses tend to be warmer.
Yeah. But...
You know, the fact that it's going to cause the sea level to rise by 20 feet and that the temperature is going to go up 10 degrees in 100 years, like that stuff I don't particularly go for.
Well, I remember you showed me that graph about global warming, the one that said, what's it called?
It's showing the one in the greenhouse, like what the percentage is.
Apparently carrots were like 63% more.
Oh, like how much more?
The plants grew. Plants grow, particularly food plants.
Watermelon, carrots, squash, apples, they all have significantly increased crop yields when there's more CO2 in the air.
It was either pineapples at the top or the bottom.
Yeah, yeah, something like that, right?
Yeah, but seriously, I love pineapples.
I want more pineapples. So an actor...
Is someone who believably brings to life other people's words.
So they're like very good puppets.
Yeah. You know, and it's a skilled thing, but there's a lot of talent involved and so on.
Yeah. So an actor is somebody who mimics, you know, and in fact, like apes are really good at mimicking.
In fact, when I was a kid, I don't think it's used as much anymore.
To ape someone was to imitate them.
Oh. Right? So they're very skilled.
Imitators. They're good at aping people, right?
Yeah. And activists.
So she speaks other people's words and whines to the government.
That's generally the way that it works.
Now she's turning 30.
Yeah. Now 30 is a big age for a woman.
Yes. Because every decade is like a big thing, right?
So 20, you know, you're at a high school and, you know, you obviously can drive.
You might be going to college, starting your life in some other way.
You might be a businesswoman or entrepreneur or whatever.
So, but then 30 is a big year for women if they're not married.
Yeah. It can be a little harsh.
The wall's coming. The wall is coming.
It could be a little bit harsh, right?
So anyway, so this is from 15th April 2020 from Vogue.
We'll put the link below. As actor and activist Emma Watson turns 30, revisit her interview with Paris Leeds for British Vogue, blah, blah, blah, December 29th issue.
She spoke candidly about her extraordinary life, transcending child stardom and becoming a voice for change.
See, a voice for change is like nagging for change.
It's not actually, hands for change is when you actually create stuff.
But voice for change is, I really want to give, right?
Yeah. So let me tell you how this article starts and tell me if you can sort of get the feeling that they're trying to give you, right?
Okay. Emma Watson and I are sitting knee-to-knee on the plushest sofa in the Royal Suite at the Savoy.
The Savoy is a very expensive hotel.
Okay, I think, number one, they're trying to put out a smug thing like, oh, if you're like her, you're going to be doing this and having so nice, such a good fun, like, so much fun and stuff like that.
Ten minutes ago she greeted me with a sisterly hug.
And since then, I have not been able to shake the feeling that we're at school and about to do the Christmas show together.
That's the weirdest thing!
How old are these people?
Okay, maybe if you're six.
Okay, have you ever had that feeling when you meet someone that you're at school and about to do the Christmas show together?
I don't remember the Christmas show, but I'm pretty sure if it involves singing or acting, I dislike it.
Yeah, yeah, that's true. Like, I mean, I don't mind singing, but it bothers me.
Like, okay, listen, I like listening to music.
I'm not a huge fan of singing.
Like, I mean, I'll hum around the house.
You hum when you play Rocket League, which is actually insulting to me.
Why? Why? Because, I'll tell you why, because the fact that you can play Rocket League better than me while humming and making up a tune of your own, and I'm sitting there like, left, right, jump, splash off the wall, it's like...
I just start thinking about other things while I play Rocket League.
I know. And then I just, when I'm kind of distracted, like, not distracted exactly, like, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to show off, I promise.
That's okay, man. I'm fine.
I'm okay. You'll be okay.
I won't. Oh, my hand's in the camera.
No, it's like mom juggling when she beats me at scrabble.
Anyway, go. What?
But you hum, right? When you do rocketing.
I hum because I kind of start thinking about things and then I'm like, oh, let's hum.
I can win. Daddy's like, left, right.
Okay. There's not too much of that when you're in the goal because you're a goalie at this point.
Okay. So, the article goes, and we ask for the room to be cleared so we can talk freely, but there are still a dozen or more assistants, stylists, and crew hidden behind a wall of light filming us on camera, still and silent, like the antique bronze cupids posing on the mantelpiece.
Now, cupid, I don't think we've talked about before.
I think it's like that thing that comes out at Valentine's Day.
It is. No, it's a word that was invented so that if you...
Creating a poem, you have something to rhyme with stupid.
No, Cupid is...
It was like an old half-angel from an ancient story, and they have their babies with little wings, and they shoot arrows into the hearts of people, and that's what makes them fall in love.
It's not the most scientific thing you'll ever hear, but that's...
I think it is. I think this is discovered in a lab.
Like, not a bioweapon lab, like an actual science lab.
There's a very good old song by a singer named Stan Cook.
Cupid, draw back your bow.
And let your arrow go straight to my lover's heart for me.
Nobody but me. See, I don't know why you don't love singing.
It's weird. Alright. So, but Emma seems okay with the setup.
I suppose she's been watched almost her entire life.
And it's true. So she became a star.
How old do you think she was when she became a movie star?
Wasn't she like 12 or 11 when she was doing Harry Potter?
Okay, so the story of how Watson became one of the most recognizable women on the planet is folklore of sorts, right?
She was nine years old when she was picked out of a lineup of would-be actresses in her school gym to be in a film that would change her life forever.
She says, It's so bizarre and otherworldly what happened to me, she says, in that instantly recognizable preppy English accent.
So preppy. Boy, I had to explain this song.
Preparatory schools are like upper-class schools.
So when I was six, I was sent to a boarding school, which was considered, it was expensive, right?
My dad couldn't afford it after two years.
I was there for two years. Right.
And I had a very sad Christmas there.
Oh no. Yeah, it was me and two other kids.
And one very lonely teacher who had to stay behind because there was no place for us to go at Christmas.
Oh no. And it was a very tragic...
Oh, I didn't tell you.
Like even thinking... Oh my gosh.
Even thinking back, it was like the saddest Christmas I ever had.
Sitting at the end of a big empty cafeteria on one of those plastic tables.
You know, eating some pretty bad food with this teacher just staring into space.
And when you're sad, Christmas music just makes you sadder.
Harmony and Wonders. When you're sad...
Oh, Christmas music just makes it worse.
It just makes you sadder. And also, there was a huge meat shortage, so we didn't have any real food.
Everything was like... Oh, no! Like, mushed over dead peas, and it was just...
Oh, it was absolutely wretched. At least get the kids good peas.
Come on, you can't go without decent peas.
And we had crackers. Do you remember those?
Like, so crackers, there are these things.
You pull on each side, there's a bang, and there's a little toy inside.
There are, like, these wrapped-up little toys.
Oh, yeah, yeah, a little bit. And the crackers...
First of all, they didn't make any bangs.
They fell apart and it was like just like one little plastic ball in each and it was just like, like this could not get any sadder.
The only way it could have gotten sadder if like a dead Santa had fallen down the chimney or something like that.
That would have been, I don't think it's bad, but exciting.
It would have been memorable. Because it would have been like, oh my god, this is Santa.
Santa murder to solve at Christmas.
Oh my god. Okay, so preppy means that you come from the upper class, like richer people, and you've gone to a private school and so on, right?
Yeah. Okay, so blah blah blah.
Two hour interviews, blah blah blah.
Okay, what have we got here? So 20 years later, and that child star is now one of the world's most bankable actors and recognized activists.
She's used her fame and global following.
Now, why... Thank you.
All right. Now, why...
Sorry. Why people are like, I must follow this actor.
Like, it's strange to me in a way.
Because, okay, so actors, what they do is they look...
They look at you intently on a screen, right?
And they're talking to you and telling the secrets of their life and revealing...
Like, as the characters, right?
Yeah. And people, I don't know if they, like, mistake that for, like, knowing the person.
It's not even her lines.
Like, it's something someone else wrote.
She's intently talking in the camera.
Whatever it is. But... It's not her.
She's imitating.
She's pretending, right? He's pretending to be someone.
Yeah, it's like a gymnast comes over for dinner and hopefully they don't do gymnastics on the table, you know?
Like, I mean, it's a job, right?
It's a job. Oh my god, I was about to say, it's like she's acting a character named Emma that I realized her name's Emma Watson.
Oh no, like what I mean by it is I was just making up a random character name.
It's like she's telling the story of this character named Emma and I'm like, oh, that's her name.
Right. Like, it's like, so I'm friends with some comedians and, you know, we have some very serious chats sometimes, right?
And we're like, hey, you're not funny.
And it's like, that's my job.
You know, like, you don't invite a dentist over for dinner and expect them to clean your teeth, right?
No. So, anyway. So, she has this global following, everybody follows her, and it's like, because...
Anyway, so, like, she's famous for one thing, which is other people's words.
Because she has one talent.
I mean, of course she probably has more than one talent, but that's one of her main talents.
Right. So, let me ask you something.
Yeah. So, you, not so much.
Although that may change. But you are not that much into...
Dressing up. Like, I don't mean...
No, like, like, trying to be as pretty as, like, frilly dresses and...
Oh my god, I hate it! Yeah.
I find it ugly. Like, I'm sorry for those people who are listening to us who like that stuff.
Yeah, yeah. It's just taste.
It's no offense, right? No, no, like, I honestly...
I don't like it at all. It's like, when people do that, I'm like, be comfy.
Yeah. Like, of course there's comfy stuff, but that comfy stuff, the comfy pretty stuff, well, quote, pretty...
It probably costs like 8 million dollars.
Like I mean, the dresses, I've tried dresses before and I mean, whenever I was like a flower girl at a wedding.
You wore a flower girl at a wedding.
Yeah, two weddings. Two weddings, that's fine, two weddings.
Be impressed. But when I did the dresses, I always thought, I wish I could just be wearing something comfy.
Like right now, I'm wearing, well, a pink, of course, but I mean, I didn't have anything else to wear, but pink t-shirt and shorts.
I wish it was blue, but whatever.
Would you like to share with the world your planned wedding outfit?
Yes, I've been planning this for probably a few years, so when I get married, I'm going to be wearing running shoes, t-shirt, shorts, and maybe if my husband's lucky, I'll put something in my hair.
Right. Now, as I said, a lot of men would be pretty alarmed to show up at a wedding with their bride in his wedding running shoes.
It's like, release the tiger!
She's getting away! And I also plan to get married in a pond.
Okay, I'm kidding. All you!
No, I'm kidding.
Wait, wait. And in the background of the wedding music is...
Oh, frogs! Frogs!
No, I was making a joke, I think, what, a month ago?
A few months ago.
I'm like, you know what? I'm not going to get married outside near a pond or near a pretty landscape.
I'm going to get married in the pond.
Which makes the aforementioned Jews more practical, right?
Well, also, I mean, it would be very memorable drowning underwater.
Now, so if you were to think of a girly activism, like that would be kind of traditionally girly, Would you think it would have something to do with clothing?
Yeah. You would be right.
No, no, no. Not clothing.
Makeup that costs, what, $400?
Like, I mean... Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. So, let's see...
You know what? If I could just see this makeup just go to waste for something that no one's ever going to use, I'd love it.
So, she says here, Watson has used her fame and global following to retool herself as a woman with the power to change hearts and minds on issues from gender inequality to sustainable fashion.
Fashion. No, no. Sustainable fashion is very interesting.
It means that you should not wear bacon because bacon will go off and you need your...
Oh, sorry. Wait, does meat include it?
Because Lady Gaga's meat dress...
That is an example of non-sustainable fashion.
Yeah. Although tasty. But anyway.
No, not really. Well, I'm planning to be vegetarian and it's not for any other reason except for the fact that just a lot of meat I really don't like.
You don't like it? The only thing I'm eating is steak.
Okay. So, she has become something of a pioneer when it comes to championing dressing ethically.
You're laughing. Dressing ethically.
How do you dress ethically?
Well, no, listen, you obviously would not wear stolen dresses.
You would not wear human bodies, murder victims, skulls.
Skulls. Skulls. You would not wear the hide of endangered animals.
I don't know. So, what is this? What is she talking about here?
I don't know. A campaign to inform consumers about which labels sell ethically produced clothes.
Uses its app, which rates brands on their production methods to check an outfit's suitability based upon its environmental impact.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Alright.
Wait, how does dresses have something to do with environmental impact?
Well, I guess you could say that if the dresses are produced with cotton that is grown using labor that is paid too little, I mean I'm guessing, I don't know.
But it's just, it's such a, I don't know, it's kind of girly.
And listen, I don't mind girly.
I don't mind girly at all.
But this is like, that's really far down the girly thing.
I'm okay with a bit girly.
Like I'm okay if someone wants to put on a little bit of makeup.
Like, I mean, I don't know, like if you have...
The only real makeup I'm ever going to use is if I have a pimple and I'm going to do a show, like a video show or something, I will just cover the pimple maybe with some makeup.
So I'll just get makeup that's kind of my skin color so I can just go...
Well, I've actually used makeup for all of my shows.
People don't realize I'm 450 years old.
So, yeah. I'm sorry, what?
No. No, it's not. Sorry, that was a big secret to drop on it.
How are you feeling? No, I mean, I know sometimes when you have, like the same thing, when you have a pimple, sometimes you'll just cover it with a tiny makeup or something.
That's the secret too. You're not supposed to know about that, people.
Erase that from your memory. Nothing better than being in your 50s, being bald and having pimples.
It's really the best of all worlds.
I know. When you think about it.
So, in 2014, she was appointed a UN, United Nations, woman goodwill ambassador, launching He for She, an initiative to include men in the conversation about gender equality.
So, gender equality, of course, we've talked about this before, women are paid less than men, because men are just mean.
Yeah, men hate women. Men just, you know, mean and selfish and nasty.
They hate women. They just hate women. That's why we all like women.
Wait. What? Anyway.
So... That's not true!
In the light of the hashtag MeToo revelations.
So the MeToo revelations are women complaining that they might have to kiss or go on dates with men to advance their careers.
Now, I think that's wrong. I mean, I don't like that at all.
And I don't think men should use their power that way.
And I think it's a good conversation.
It's a good conversation to have.
But last summer she launched a legal advice line in England and Wales, blah, blah, blah.
And she says, I feel uncomfortable taking up as much space as I'm taking up and not speaking about politics and social justice.
It just doesn't feel right anymore.
So social justice.
So justice is equality of opportunity and equality under the law.
Social justice, which is kind of short for socialism, social justice is when you have equality in outcome.
So you remember we did running races years ago, right?
Yeah. So social justice.
So justice would be everybody gets to start at the same spot and everybody gets to run the same length of distance, right?
And then whoever wins, wins, right?
Yeah. Social justice would be Everybody has to kind of end at the same time.
It's really complicated. We've had conversations about that.
I'm like, stop! And I came in first on the jumping.
I think it was by three feet.
We actually have a video of that.
I wish we had slow-mo on the phone, but we have a video of you doing that jump.
You actually had kangaroo legs back in those days.
I remember I landed straight in my stomach.
My mom was like, Izzy, are you okay?
Of course. But I remember with the running race, if it was like everyone had to jump, if I jumped eight feet and they're like, no, you have to go against it, you go like four feet.
I'd be like, um...
And there was a girl who didn't Show up.
She didn't come. She didn't come.
And she got a ribbon.
Do you remember? Yeah! Yeah, yeah, I remember.
She actually was on vacation and she got a participation event.
Got a participation event, ribbon, and didn't even show up.
She didn't even show up. That's social justice, right?
Okay, so she does a lot of...
Activism stuff, which I find kind of eye-glazingly dull.
Yeah, let's skip it. So what are Emma Watson's dreams?
She turns 30 in April. I guess she's 30 now, right?
And describes 2019 as having been tough because she, quote, had all these ideas about what her life was supposed to look like at this age.
I was like, why does everyone make such a big fuss about turning 30?
This is not a big deal.
Cut to 29 and I'm like, oh my god, I feel so stressed and anxious.
And I realize it's because there is suddenly this bloody influx of subliminal messaging around.
Oh, lots of new ideas today.
Subliminal. My face.
If you could see my face, you'd know exactly what I was thinking.
Do you want to say what you're thinking before we get into subliminal?
I'm just like, what is she talking about?
Oh yeah, well. So, subliminal is when...
You get ideas that aren't expressed obviously or clearly, but they're just kind of hidden in the background or hidden in the background.
So let's say guys think that buying a cool car will get them to date pretty women, right?
And the reason that they believe that, like there's not a show that says, there's not an ad that says, buy a cool car, date pretty women.
But what they do is they always have pretty women hanging around cool cars.
Yeah. Right? So that's, they don't say it explicitly.
It's kind of in the back of their head.
Yeah, it's associated with constantly.
It's kind of in the back of your head. You're kind of like, oh, cool cars, pretty women put together.
You kind of get it. Right, right.
So there's this thing about homeschooling where homeschooling is considered to raise children in the mainstream.
They say, oh, homeschooling, you don't get any socialization and you're going to be taught only about religious ideas in the Bible.
That's not true at all. No, it's not true at all.
I've rarely gotten any of that.
No. I mean, I've gotten some of it in conversations.
Oh, we used to do the whole Big Invisible Guy story.
You actually know all the Bible stories that I learned as a kid.
Probably. I remember I was obsessed with hearing them because they were a little ridiculous, but...
They were fun. They were funny.
They were great, yeah. I remember with the Adam and Eve thing, it's like, what would be your perfect world?
I'm like, I don't know, like chocolate waterfalls, we like marshmallow clouds.
Don't, I'll drool.
Like, I'll get drool in my beard.
Keep drooling. Okay, I'm gonna keep telling you.
I'm gonna keep telling you.
What did we have? We had chocolate waterfalls, there was, um...
I think we had chocolate trees too, like chocolate...
Marshmallow... Yeah, clouds.
Marshmallow clouds. And marshmallow fog low on the ground.
Yeah. Oh, that was great. No, I think we had...
I think that was a sugar...
What's it called? Icing sugar or sugar or something like that.
Icing sugar snow? Icing sugar snow.
And the fog, I think, was floating sugar or something like that.
Also, we had...
I think the grass wasn't actually candy, but it was really soft and always perfect and green.
And there was never any disgusting mud and stuff.
And your hands always stayed clean so you could always just pick up something and eat it.
I added Caramel Rivers because Caramel is my favorite.
I know it's not yours, but Caramel is my favorite.
Chocolate, Caramel Rivers.
Chocolate Waterfalls and Caramel Rivers.
And also...
And we had...
I think we had candy cane, like lollipop flowers, like flowers made out of lollipops and stuff.
That's right, that's right. And it would always regrow, it would take less than a day to regrow.
And then that eve with the snake.
And then like old apples, the one that tasted bad.
So she says, she feels so stressed and anxious turning 30.
And she said, I realize it's because there is suddenly this bloody influx of subliminal messaging around.
If you've not built a home, if you do not have a husband, if you do not have a baby and you're turning 30 and you're not in some incredibly secure, stable place in your career, or you're still Figuring things out, she pauses her breath.
There's just this incredible amount of anxiety.
Now, that's a very interesting question, right?
So, I'm not sure that you've ever really experienced anxiety in your life.
Boo! Sorry, no.
Ah! No. Ah!
No? My face is safe the same the entire time.
It's just kind of just look like...
Like, have you had, like, really deep worry and you can't sleep or...
No, not really. I don't think you have, right?
In the same way that you, we were talking about this the other day, I don't think you've ever really gotten angry.
And I've tried. You've tried hard.
Oh yeah. I remember today, making shots I had to talk about when I was here, it was like...
No, no, no. I went into the...
Oh, I went to get a piece of cheese from the fridge and I mistook the...
No, I can't really tell that.
It's not even believable. So she has this anxiety.
Now, it's interesting. So to me, when you have like a deep feeling, right?
You have a deep feeling in your life.
I think it's important to examine what that feeling is or why you're having it, right?
So, like, my dad died, I had a lot of feelings, I did a bunch of shows, we talked about it, and, you know, you've got stuff to process.
It's important to listen to your feelings, because they're often very helpful, right?
Because they come from your... They come from your lizard brain.
I don't know, I'll keep doing that. So she's really stressed and anxious about turning 30, right?
Yeah. So part of her says, you know, this is kind of a serious feeling.
Now the reason why 30 is important is that, you know, like...
I think my downtime is like 80 or 90%.
90% of your eggs. Now you still have a lot of eggs, so, you know, it's not the end of the world.
But, you know, if you want to have kids...
You should try and do it before 30.
Well, yeah, if you're still single when you're 30, then you don't even know when you're going to meet the right guy.
Well, I mean, if you're dating or engaged or have a guy who just seems different from the other guys, like someone you think you have a lot higher chance to marry, then it's kind of like halfway to marry, if you know what I mean?
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Like, you're not completely sure, but at least you have a guy that you can trust or you think would be a good marrying option.
So, let's say you're 30 and...
You suddenly meet a guy.
Maybe he's the right guy, right? Yeah.
So you probably got a date for a year, maybe?
I think a year should be the minimum.
To me, if you're not getting along famously, like when I met your mom...
After the third date, we didn't spend a day apart, and we got engaged within a couple of months.
We got married 11 months after we first went on our first date.
And it's been great for close to 20 years.
Well, this is what I say. I say, try the first date out, and if you're like, oh, this is actually really nice, we should do it again.
Do another date, maybe a week later, just so you both have time to think about it and stuff like that.
And also, the reaction is kind of...
Say, text or call when someone says, they say you text, so you say, hey, do you want to hang out?
Maybe you went to the movies first time.
Do you want to hang out again?
Maybe you want to go for a lunch?
Because last time was really fun.
I found last time really fun.
Or something. If they say, maybe they're busy, but they say...
Oh, I'm busy that day, so maybe another time.
That's kind of a no, except that's kind of in the nice way.
But if they say, oh, I'm sorry, but I'm really busy, but can we do it tomorrow or something?
Sorry, the day after or something like that.
Oh, if somebody says no without suggesting an alternative date, it's usually a no.
And they're being polite. And they kind of get it.
That's what I'll do.
I'll be polite. Like, if there's a guy and I go on a date and I don't like it, or at least maybe I like it, but I'm like, nah, this is not the right guy or something, then if he asks to go on another one, I'll just say, no, I'm sorry, I'm really busy.
Maybe another time I'll say or something like that.
So you can ask twice and if you get no without an alternative date, it's not interesting.
Because most people figure out whether they're interested in someone pretty quickly.
So you may be dating for a year, so now you're 31, right?
And then you've got to plan a wedding, you've got to get married, that might take another 6 months or maybe 12 months.
So now you're 32. So then you're only, and then you might, you want to be married for a little while before you immediately start having kids, right?
So 33, 34, like you're really starting to push it.
And that's if you meet just the right guy tomorrow and things go fairly quickly, right?
Yeah. Well, I mean, I know there are people who date like five years and stuff.
I'm like, if you can date for five years, then you could get married.
Oh, man, I saw that.
So I wrote a play when I was in my early 20s and I produced it.
I directed it and produced it in Toronto.
And I had a stage manager and, man, she was older.
She was in her late 20s and she was just breaking up from a five-year relationship.
And she was just a wreck because she was turning 30.
Basically, the same year she was breaking up from a five-year relationship, and I was like, oh man, find some way to rescue that relationship.
If you can get along for five years, why can't you just get along?
Well, this is what I mean. If I have a relationship, that's like two or three years, or even a year, because that's still a long time to be getting along well with someone.
If there's a few little conflicts, I mean, we can live with that.
It's inevitable. Little arguments.
It's going to happen. But, I mean, like, if it happens a lot, then it'll be like, well, this is gonna break up at some point anyways.
But, I mean, if there's just, like, a few little conflicts, but you still get back together and, like, apologize or whatever, then, and, but if there's, like, one big conflict, it's like, okay, well, this is gonna happen at some point, so why did it happen now?
Or even if it's just one of the other little ones and it broke up, it's like, okay, well, we've gotten over the other ones, so why can't we get over this?
Right. No, it's like the people who, oh, we're getting divorced, we have kids, right?
We're getting divorced, but we're still good friends and we still get along.
It's like, well, if you're still good friends, get married!
And stay married or whatever it is, right?
And here's the thing too, like, I just tweeted about this this morning.
So I was reading this article that said, if you're socially isolated, and of course, it's really big now that this is lockdown from COVID, right?
So if you're socially isolated, that can be as bad for your health as smoking 15 cigarettes a day.
Yeah, you told us about that. Through your eyes, which is really not the...
Wait, what are you doing? Okay. What?
Eye smoking. Very bad.
Oh, like with the pasta just shoving your eyes off.
Especially if you like the wrong answer.
That was a weird laugh. No, so here's the thing, right?
So I'm thinking, I tweeted about this, like, so being lonely in this kind of lockdown, quarantine environment, which some people really are.
Mm-hmm. It's like, hopefully this reminds people to work on their relationships and have good people in their life.
Yeah. I think you tweeted that or you told that to us.
No, I voice dictated it.
Voice dictated tweeted it, right?
So here's the thing. So she's feeling anxiety and she could either say...
You know, this is an important feeling for me to think about.
It's got important information. But what she's saying is, oh man, my feelings just come from this programming in the environment about babies.
Like, that's not true. And it's like, hmm, I don't think so.
Well, I can get emotions from some stuff I hear.
Yeah. But I mean, like, stuff I just read or something about something.
And I'm like, well, you know...
You can, like, but you know if it's deep in your gut.
Like, I mean, she should know.
Maybe she's just saying that, but deep in her head she knows that she's panicking.
Right, right. Or not panicking, but kind of like nervous.
No, I'm a big fan of panicking.
No, I really am. Yeah?
I'm a big, I've said this before on my show, so I had some guy, he called into my show, he was my age and he was living in his brother's garage.
Oh no. And he said, but I don't want to panic.
And I said, yeah, kind of do.
Yeah. Like, this is a good time to panic.
Because if you're in your 50s and you're living in your brother's garage...
That's not good. You know, that's not good.
You failed. So, it's staggering.
The article says, if it's staggering to think that Watson worries about this stuff, it's comforting, too.
I never believed the whole, I'm happy single spiel.
So, spiel is when people say stuff that's not really, really true.
Oh, yeah. Like, you know, like, I don't mind pimples at all.
Like, it's just, you know, probably everyone minds the pimples a little bit, right?
Yeah. So, she said, it took me a long time, but I'm very happy being single.
I call it being...
Self-partnered.
Yeah, I've heard that saying before.
Self-partnered. It's dumb.
It's not an argument. It's like marrying yourself.
Like, you speak it out loud, but your other self says it in its head.
Like, what does this mean? Yeah, no, listen.
I mean, you can play cards with yourself.
You can play video games with yourself, right?
Yeah. You can even play ping pong with yourself.
There's some ping pong tables where you lean it up and then you just play against the ping pong wall.
Yeah. So...
But you can't marry yourself.
Stop it. I mean, technically you can't.
No, seriously. But it's weird. No, because look, you have a ring.
You have two hands. Putting a ring on your finger doesn't do anything.
Self-partnered.
I mean, that is such a made-up thing.
I want to just slap her. I just want to walk up to her and say, are you Emma Watson?
And she says, yes, I am. I'm like, well, you deserve a big slap.
Slap her across the face and walk up.
I think that would be an extraordinarily bad idea.
I think so, too. First of all, violation of the non-aggression principle.
I know. But she's so annoying! And secondly, she'd have giant bodyguards who would, like, mash you into a pulp.
Okay. Maybe if her bodyguards weren't good enough.
I'm kidding. No, she needs help.
Wait. Okay, fine.
If I can't slap her, I hope someone else doesn't.
So she is, however, dating.
Not one specific person she's keen to clarify, but I'm going on dates.
And listen, I've got to sympathize with this.
So she's one of the world's most famous young women, right?
How are you going to date? You're not.
I mean, it's tough. Everyone thinks like fame and money, and she's, I don't know, she's never struck me, and this is kind of shallow, she's never struck me as beautiful, but I think she's attractive.
I think she's attractive. I don't really find people beautiful.
Oh, for goodness sake. I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Like, I just think, okay, you're pretty, but I never think, oh my god, you're beautiful, I wish I looked like you.
Right, right, right. Or something like that.
So, um, I'm going on dates.
So she says, I can't use dating apps.
So dating apps...
Oh, there's a match with someone in your area.
Yeah, whatever it is, right? That's kind of dumb, I think.
I think, anyways. Right.
I mean, maybe it's not dumb, but I think it's a bad idea.
Like, don't use dating caps.
Find the person yourself.
So she said, I'm really lucky in the sense that because I went to university and because I've done these things outside of film, my friends are really good at setting me up.
Now, do you know what that means? I think it's like, hey, you should date this person or something like that.
Yeah, I know someone who would be good for you, right?
And that's not a bad way to meet people, if your friends know you well and all that, right?
Yeah. And what's really nice, she says, is some of my best friends are people I got set up on a date with and it didn't work out.
Yeah, I'm done. No, no, tell me, tell me what you think.
No. Tell me. No. Tell me.
I think you know what I think.
True spell. It doesn't work on me.
It only works on you. It's true.
It only works on males. She does have a truth spell which she casts on me when she thinks I may not be telling the entire total and complete truth.
Sometimes, like, did you eat some M&Ms yesterday?
No. Maybe.
Maybe. Truth spell?
No, I don't say that.
I say, where did you take them from?
If it's a maybe, if you did do it, where did you take them from?
And she's like, I can't say, and I'm like, truth spell?
She's like, okay, I took an M&M. From your candy shop.
I don't actually think it ever happened like that, but it's happened.
Stuff like that.
So, some of my best friends are people I got set up on a date with and it didn't work out.
Now, I gotta tell you, I mean...
Don't... If you're best friends with someone...
Why wouldn't it work out?
I mean, I assume that they don't introduce her to guys who are like 400 pounds and, you know, neckbeards or like whatever, some unattractive or guys who have never had a job or, you know, the old live in their parents' basement kind of thing, right?
So I got to assume that she's being introduced to relatively attractive, successful, intelligent men, and she's best friends with them.
But it just didn't work out.
And it's like, if you're best friends with someone, work out!
Well, this is what I mean. Like, if I have a male best friend or something, and it's, I don't know, it's nice.
Like, I'll kind of go out.
Like, I'll try and work my way into it so that it seems like just a normal hangout thing.
But it's actually a bit more, like, serious, if you know what I mean.
Like, oh, let's go to the movies.
But it's like, we typically don't go to the movies or something.
But I don't really know.
I say going to the movies as a first date is kind of a bad idea because you don't talk with the person.
You just watch something. Or you're just sitting next to each other and looking at stuff that could actually be kind of rude.
Yeah. So, but the thing is, it will give you something to talk about afterwards.
But no, I don't think... Like I say, don't just go to the movies.
Go to the movies and then have a dinner afterwards or something like that.
So that you can talk about the movie and then, like, oh, I've had this experience like that or whatever or something like that.
Yeah, yeah, that can work for sure.
But I think, yeah, you're spending two hours not talking to someone when you're supposed to be getting to know them.
Well, this is what I mean. I say, like, go out for dinner, go out for lunch or something.
The good news is nobody goes to movies anymore, so that's kind of off the hook.
No, I'm just saying, like, go out for a walk, go out for dinner or lunch or something like that.
I say dinner or lunch because you can, like, you have to stare at each other for the entire night.
So, she says that some of my best friends are people I got set up on a date with and it didn't work out.
That's very emotionally mature.
I say, impressed. I didn't think it was possible, Watson agrees.
And it really is possible, and it's actually great.
No, it's not!
Okay, I will tell you just a tiny smidge about men.
No! Yeah, I will. I mean, it's fine.
So, as you know, there's the friend zone, right?
Yeah. Yeah, I'm aware of the friend zone.
So the friend zone... Yeah, the friend zone is when a man wants to date...
It's usually male to female. It can't work the other way, right?
So a man wants to date a woman, and she's like, oh, no, let's just be friends, right?
And he's like, okay, I'll hang around being friends.
Until you want to date me.
But sooner or later, I'm going to get you to go on a date with me, right?
And so my guess is that because she's...
Attractive because she's famous, because she's rich, because she's talented, because blah, blah, blah, right?
Yeah. She's a very high-status female for dating, right?
So I bet you these guys are hanging around.
She's going to come to her senses any day soon.
She's going to see that I'm the perfect guy.
Right. So that's my guess, right?
That's why they're like, oh, he's my best friend.
Like, can you just change that?
Yeah, so you know what an orbit is, right?
Like when a spaceship or a moon or something is floating around the world, falling towards it, but going at such a high speed that it never crashes in?
That'd be creepy if the moon was just like, nah.
So yeah, like a...
An orbiter is someone who can't break free of a woman, but can't sort of date her.
So he's just kind of around.
And people can waste a lot of their time doing this kind of stuff.
That's why I'm not doing it. I mean, if it goes male to female in terms of my situation or something, I will...
Like, if the guy friendzoned me...
You've got to be kind and say, look, I can't be friends with you if you're attracted to me because it's always going to be part of...
What's going on? Well, not that. I mean, sorry.
Well, yes, that's true. I wouldn't friend zone them.
I'd just say no, sorry. But if, I mean, if a man tried to friend zone me, I would just say, look, I can, I know this is the friend zone, so I'm sorry, but I'm not staying around if you don't want me.
No, you can just, you can waste life.
Honestly, I would just, I would leave and I'd be done with it within a month.
Right, right. At most, a month.
Let's see here. So, she has a notoriously low-key light.
Otherwise, I have to imagine day-to-day life.
She smiles and says she splits her time between London and New York.
She doesn't actually have a permanent address.
Her hobbies seem to be on the quiet side.
She loves reading. And she studied English literature.
She's also a qualified yoga teacher.
Yoga. Stop. Stop yoga.
She spends ten days a year at a silent retreat.
No! I know...
I know this.
No, honestly, I'm a loud person.
I think you can tell if you're listening to this!
Yeah, listening to that part in particular, but...
I'm not, my mom, she's like, when I'm talking, sometimes, sometimes, sometimes I'll start, like, not half yelling, but kind of just raising my voice, just because, you know, when I get enthusiastic, like not raising my voice in like a yelly way, just like a talking way, like an enthusiasticness thing, but she'll be like, shh, Izzy, shh, Izzy, just a little bit quieter.
Right, right. Is that correct?
Is that what she does? I hope so.
Like, I hope I got it correct.
So, Watson's childhood is well recorded.
Her parents are lawyers. She was born in Paris and spent her first five years in France.
At age six, she went to the...
Oh my gosh. She went to the Dragon School in Oxford.
That's not true. Dragon?
No, it's actually Dragon School.
Do you know how you get in? How?
Well, you have to burn down the front door with your breath and then you get in.
Wouldn't that be fun, right?
Yeah. She took acting lessons at the local branch of Stagecoach Theatre Arts.
She was determined to become an actor even as a little girl.
So, she's not Hermione Granger, the actress, the person that she played.
I'm not. And I'm also not what, weirdly, my name has come to mean, she says of her own fame.
Even people that are really close to me sometimes can't let it go.
Or see just me, and then sometimes I have to go, no, no, I need exactly what you need.
I'm just as human as you are.
I'm just as insecure as you are.
I struggle just as much as you struggle.
I don't think that's true.
Maybe she still struggles, but look, I mean, a lot of people, some people are like...
Like, can't afford food and can't afford the rent.
She's like, well, I need a silent treat every ten days and I travel between London and New York.
I hope she's not in New York right now.
So, lawyers, they kind of famously work long hours.
They're very busy people.
And a lot of times they can't really control, like, their court dates get moved up or there's somebody who desperately needs them who's going to go to jail otherwise.
So, my guess is that her parents were both quite busy.
She may have been in daycare.
She may have been raised by nannies.
Whatever, right? She wouldn't have spent as much time with her parents, which I think is a real shame.
I mean, I think it's a real shame.
You know, there's this terrible thing that's going on online at the moment, which is there are lots of moms saying, I can't handle my kids.
I need to have more alcohol.
Yeah. You know? And saying to your kids, while I can't handle you sober, I need to get drunk to stand spending time with you.
Can you imagine? That would hurt.
What a terrible thing that would be to hear. Yeah.
I mean, you know how much I enjoy your company, and you've got to tell your kids that.
I mean, why on earth would you... Because the funny thing is, I had something to do with who you are as a human being, right?
So, it's sort of like me carving a statue and just saying, ugh, this statue is the ugliest thing.
Like, I had nothing to do with it whatsoever.
I hate this statue. I wonder why it exists.
I can't believe this statue has imposed itself in my life.
It's like, come on, you kids have something to do.
Like, you're not a product of me.
I mean, there's some genetics and all that.
And you are your own person, but I've had a little bit of influence here.
And that's because we spend so much time together, right?
I mean, I've been a stay-at-home dad for like 11 and a half years now, right?
Or genetics, like you said.
Yes. So I've had some influence in who you are, so if I didn't enjoy spending time with you, that would be more, I think, a reflection on me than it would be on you.
But I also think, wait, I'm related to this person?
Oh yeah, I think it's just sad.
And there was this woman, she just did a video about how she just...
She can't stand for a kid sober.
Were her kids in the background? No, no.
Oh, that's good. I mean, I gotta say, at least they aren't hearing it.
Well, they probably could be hearing it.
But they will, right? See, what you put online, your kids are gonna see at some point when they get older.
And, I don't know, there's like, ha, ha.
Someone's gonna tweet it at them.
Yeah, they're gonna see it. There's gonna be like, hey, do you know about this?
Yeah, and these mummies who whine, these mummies who drink, these, like, it's really quite a big thing about, I can't take my kids without alcohol around.
And it's just, it's kind of like a...
It's a bad joke, because it's like, haha, funny, but, you know, it's also kind of serious for the kids, too, and I think it does have an influence.
And these moms also kind of prop each other up with this, like, it's bad.
It's bad parenting to me, and it's really mean to your kids to say, oh, I can't spend time with you if I'm sober.
No, it's like, I mean, if I had, like, I mean, you had them on purpose.
Yeah. I mean, I don't know.
It's so dumb. Like, you want to have kids or you've had kids and I'm just like, I can't stand you.
Like, I mean, if you really don't want kids, give birth to your kid and then put him in for adoption or something like that.
I don't know. It's a very sad thing and it's a terrible message to give your kids.
And then you know what happens? So the kids end up not bonding too much with their parents and then the kids end up bonding with their peers and often not the best peers.
Like, the peers who may get them into drugs or they may get them into sex or they may get them into...
Stealing even and stuff like that, right?
And then the parents get really mad at the kids and say, well, the reason I don't like you is because you spend all your time with these terrible people who are doing bad things.
Like, and the reason I spend all these terrible...
I didn't do this and then you dislike me.
It's the other way around. You dislike me so I didn't want to spend time with you so I spent time with these people.
Right, right. Which may not even be worse.
I don't know. It depends on what...
There's just the apparent who's just like, yeah, go away, whatever.
Right, right. I mean, it hurts, but it's like, okay, well, I mean, sorry, I don't really know, but I would have guessed that it hurts.
Right, right. But it's like, okay, well, whatever.
They don't want me so I can do my own stuff.
But when it's the parent who's like, go away, but they slap them away, like the abusive type of parent who's like that, then it's worse.
Yeah, yeah. Because you can also get bad injuries from that.
So it's a light-hearted conversation about awkward kisses that seems to illustrate the unique position she finds herself in.
I'll be kissing some guy, and then I'm on the television behind us, and all I can hear is the Harry Potter theme tune as I'm kissing someone, and I'm like, do I turn it off?
Do I just ignore this? Is he thinking about this?
Is it just me thinking about this?
Wait, I don't know what she's saying. Like, she's kissing someone, and then...
So maybe on the TV, this Harry Potter has...
I can't remember what it is, but there's a theme music to the movies, and it comes on.
Oh, yeah, okay. And, first of all, I don't think this is a very believable story.
No, me neither. I mean, how often is the Harry Potter theme coming on TV? Very, very extremely rare.
It's very rare. I've never heard it.
I mean, it's not like we watch TV, but I've never even heard it, like, anywhere, like, I don't know.
Right. So then we say, does she enjoy the photo shoots, the red carpets, the parties about being famous?
And she said, that's something I've sat in therapy and felt really guilty about, to be honest.
Like, why me? Somebody else would have enjoyed and wanted this aspect of it more than I did.
I've wrestled a lot with the guilt around that, of being like, I should be enjoying this more.
I should be excited. And I'm actually really struggling.
So she's struggling with parties, with what's called the red carpet.
When your movie opens, they roll out a red carpet.
You go up, they get photographs and interviews and stuff like that.
And I don't know. I mean, so as far as this struggle goes, so both her parents are lawyers, so she's never had any financial worries in her life.
She grew up in France.
She went to England. She went to private school.
She got discovered at the age of nine.
She's a famous actress. I don't...
And it could just be because she's young, right?
I mean, I became...
Obviously, I'm nowhere near as famous as her, but I became more of a public figure when I was older, right?
I was in my 30s, right?
That's a different thing, right?
So I had a chance to sort of become who I was before all of this stuff happened, right?
So a real stable foundation.
It doesn't really... But I... I mean...
I enjoyed going to Australia.
Yeah. I enjoyed. I even enjoyed New Zealand oddly enough, right?
So I enjoyed going there.
I enjoyed giving the speeches.
I enjoyed meeting with the people.
I enjoyed going to New York and like had 500 people lining up to chat with me about philosophy.
We had hugs and I loved hearing their stories.
I mean, it's a real privilege. It's a real privilege.
Yeah. But I think that's partly because I'm doing something more important than...
Pretending to be a little wizard.
You know, like, which is... In Harry Potter stuff, it's entertaining and it's engaging and so on.
And I guess it gets kids to read.
But it's not a very important story.
But it doesn't get kids to read because they watch it.
No, but before. Like, it was a movie.
Oh, yeah, yeah. There was books before it was a movie.
But it's not a very important story.
No. It's not like people have changed their lives and become better human beings for the most part because of Harry Potter, right?
Philosophy can do that. So maybe what she's feeling is...
I don't know, like, she's getting a lot of, she certainly gets more financial rewards, more fame rewards and so on than I ever will.
But certainly I'm doing more important things in the world, right?
And so maybe she's feeling that the reward is not Equal to whether she's doing that much good in the world.
And that's why she keeps wanting to do all this other good, which is around whining to the government.
Yeah. Yeah, I guess, I don't know, it's a strange thing, but that she's really struggling with being rich and famous, which, of course, she says, I wanted to be an actress, and she's achieved her success as an actress, and she's not happy.
No. That's kind of exhausting for me to be around.
You know, hey, look, you aimed to get this thing, you've now got this thing, and you're not happy with it, and you're struggling with it, and it's like, ugh.
Okay, so if you got everything you wanted, and she could disappear tomorrow, right?
She could just go and put her hair in a bun and disappear tomorrow, right?
Well, if she wanted to, she'd buy a wig, she'd put some makeup on, she'd put contacts in.
She could eat like a normal person, right?
Gain a bit of weight, she would never be found again, probably.
I mean, of course she'd be found, but it would be a lot...
And then, when you get fined, change.
Get skinny again, maybe change your style.
Or people would just forget you because you're not famous anymore, so even if they find you, it's like, oh yeah, you used to be that actress or whatever, right?
Yeah. Or, like, even if they do find...
Like, maybe it's been the same, like, where did she go and stuff like that?
Or, like... Yeah, they might find her and be like, oh, she's disappeared, we gotta find her, right?
Or not even that, like, it could be like...
They might be worried about her.
Maybe she didn't tell anyone in case they told someone else and then that person told someone else again.
So maybe she just disappeared and they're like, where did she go?
Yeah, and you would obviously, you would introduce yourself as Bennet Dobson.
Bennet Dobson. Bennet Dobson.
Bennet Dobson. Donna Bebson.
Anyway. That was a weird only name.
No, it's an important lesson, right?
I think it's an important lesson, which is, so, she got everything she wanted and she's not happy.
And that, to me, Is really an important thing.
Because she now will never be happy.
No. Because she's never going to be more successful than she is now.
She's one of the most successful actresses in the world, right?
Because she's going to hit the wall. Plus she's getting older, so there's going to be fewer roles for her.
Well, that's what I mean. She's going to hit the wall.
Right, right. So she got everything she wanted and she's not happy.
Yeah. She's single and she's not happy about that because she's got all this anxiety and that anxiety is real.
The anxiety is telling her you're not living the right way.
Like, there was this woman who is a model who, frankly, doesn't wear a whole lot of clothes, and she said she was looking for people to debate, right?
And she's made a lot of money from, like, wearing swimsuits and stuff like that.
And I said, let's debate that motherhood is better than money.
And she wanted to, and, you know, she's kind of coming and going about that kind of stuff.
But, you know, what's happening is she's almost 30, right?
So what's going to happen is she's going to start to lose her looks, you know, her body is going to start to sag.
It happens to everyone, right?
Yeah. And then she will actually have to start wearing some clothes.
I mean, since you said she doesn't wear some clothes.
Yeah, but then she's going to have to try and, you know, get her family going when she's past her sort of peak attractiveness and all of that.
This is my recommendation.
Now, of course, I don't really have any experience in this, but I mean, I've heard about it from you, basically.
I say try and get your family started when you're, like, I don't know, try and find the guy you want to be with when you're around 20, I say.
And then try, maybe, I don't know, get married, whatever time you think you need.
But I say get your career started when you're 30.
Yeah, you've then got 40 years to work if you want, you don't have to interrupt it.
Yeah, that's my particular thought, for sure.
Yeah, that's until you're 70.
A lot of people live longer than that, and if they want to keep...
Well, I don't know about a lot of people, but typically people live longer than 70, or some people.
Women live longer than men in general.
Well, true. So if you're a woman, then you probably get like 50 years.
Yeah. So she said, What?
Wait, how do you start being someone's daughter?
It has felt so weird sometimes.
She becomes visibly upset sharing this and I feel an overwhelming urge to hug her.
No, no, no, I'm sorry. How do you start being someone's daughter?
And then stop seeing, like, Dad, Dad.
Was I your child five years ago but not anymore?
Did you disown me?
So this is a word that's called neurotic.
Now neurotic, to me, has a lot to do with...
I mean, she's a smart girl, right?
She's a smart woman. She studied English literature.
She did quite well. She's an intelligent woman.
But here's the thing, right?
What do you do with all that intelligence?
What do you do with all that ability other than just pretend to be other people for a camera, right?
Right. And so now, if she had kids, and if she had a husband, and she could still work, and she could bring her kids on set, she's got all the money to do that, right?
So she could still do all of this stuff.
But then she would be busy.
Now, one of the things that kids do with you is they kind of organize your life.
Because what is your life organized around?
It's around being a dad, right?
Yeah. I mean, so not so much now, although it's still important now, but when you were very little, like, how was my day?
My day was dependent on first thing first, be a dad, right?
Yeah. Then if I can do a show, this, that, the other, that'd be great, right?
Like if I'm like two and I want to take a nap and then you can do a show.
Yeah, then I can go and do something, right?
But I'm not going to sit there and say, I'm not going to put you in a crate and say, entertain yourself while I go do a show, right?
I'd be like, uh...
It organizes your life.
You get a great deal of hugely enjoyable interaction.
Yeah. And it takes up most of your day.
Yes. Right? Because, you know, I mean, especially because you're not much of a sleeper, right?
Oh. Oh my god. I can go six hours.
I'll be tired for maybe the first half an hour in the morning, and then I'll be fine for the rest.
The weird thing is, I'm tired in the morning, and then I just slowly...
Sorry, you can't see me, but maybe there's a scale of tiredness like this.
I start off...
You can do a six out of ten tired, right?
I typically start off at around four.
So ten is awake, and one is really tired.
So I typically start off at around four.
And then as the day progresses, I'll work my way up to like a 9 or a 10.
It's weird. Like at 10 o'clock, I'll be like, what do we do now?
Like seriously, in the morning, I'll be like...
And we tried it on New Year's Eve.
Do you remember? Yeah. Three o'clock in the morning.
I was like, what should we do?
Oh, yeah. I was literally, I'm not kidding.
Like, I just wasn't...
See, I can't handle my children without alcohol.
What? I can't handle my children without alcohol.
No, like, I'm honest.
At, like, 3 a.m., I was like, oh, okay, well, what can we do now?
Like, can we keep... Yeah, you weren't tired.
I was like, hey, let's, I don't know, let's run around the dance floor or something like that.
And we're like, Izzy, it's time to go to bed.
And I'm like, no! I said, now the tradition after New Year's is to wear a pillow on your face.
Right. So what's she proud of?
She's proud of the activism and all this kind of stuff.
And I think that's it.
So I think that there's some important stuff around this.
I mean, I think this is kind of neurotic stuff.
You've got everything you wanted, you're still not happy, you're restless, you're bored, you're full of shame, you're guilty, you're embarrassed.
It's just, oh man, what is it going to take to make this person happy?
And that's kind of exhausting to me.
So people who just don't have a stable base of personality, Like, I don't sit there and say, you know, for like a week, I'm just so unhappy.
I feel my life is meaningless.
I'm not producing a lot. Right? You've never heard me say anything like that.
There are times I get a little frustrated with technical issues and stuff like that.
And there's times where it's like, oh, you know, the suppression is a drag or whatever.
But, you know, I have a stable base.
Of my personality. I'm like a house of cards, right?
Yeah. But people like this, kind of like, it's called a house of cards, like, one wind, one, like, you know, stuff that's built that's really kind of shaky.
Like, you remember we would build these house of cards, or dominoes, or whatever, and it's like, they wobble them forever.
I feel like we've ever done a house of cards, because those are really hard.
Well, I've tried. Anyone who can do a house of cards is a god.
Very good, very good, right?
But this issue where people are just kind of wobbly all the time, it's really...
I hate it. And that's why she's, that's why she's single, fundamentally.
Yeah. She's single because...
There's a kind of self-absorption that comes when your personality is not stable, when you can't just rely on...
I wake up every day and I'm like, you know, barring very unusual things, I'm going to have a good day.
I'm going to have an enjoyable day.
I'm going to spend time with you. I'm going to spend time with mom.
It's going to be a lot of fun. So I wake up with a very stable sense of how my day is going to go.
But if I was like, I'm going to be unhappy today, I'm going to be happy today, am I going to feel good, am I going to feel bad, am I going to feel anxious?
Like, it would just be, it's exhausting.
And it's really, really important that if you have these kinds of unstable personalities, you get to the root of it and figure it out.
But she's not going to get to the root of it and figure it out, in my opinion, because all her feelings, she just says, well, it's just politics.
She should go on a call with you.
I would do that. I hope she listens to this.
She should know. Someone, if anyone has any relation to this person, Emma Watson, share this with her.
Seriously, I think it could help her.
Yeah, and the other thing too is because she believes that all inequalities result from bigotry.
She's going to spend the rest of her life trying to change What she can't change.
Yeah. Right? It's like, people who are very tall are generally better at basketball, all other things being equal.
So, when you watch basketball, it's not too tall people.
Now, if your whole mission in life was to get short people onto the basketball, like professional basketball teams, you'd be beating your head against the wall.
Yeah. Right? Because height is just kind of important.
Or, if you were to say, well, the only reason that 70-year-old men are not in the ballet Or do professional dances because of bigotry and you spent the rest of your life trying to get 70-year-old men on to ballet.
I think there would be like two men who are like, oh my god, I love this person.
And that's it. And most men would just be like, I don't want to do ballet.
Nobody would do that ballet. Nobody would watch that ballet.
Yeah, and also like these men would be like, I don't want to do ballet.
I'm 70s. This is like, I want to rest.
Yeah, or if you were to say, well, the only reason why people who can't sing are not singers is because of bigotry and you spent the rest of your life trying to get really bad singers to be professional singers...
You would just waste your life.
Well, no offense if Ava Max hears this, but she's not very good live.
Gal needs a little autotune.
Yeah, I mean, she's this officer haircut.
That's cool. Is it?
It looks like she just, like, walked past the propeller blade and it just took off half her hair.
I know, but she must have, like, it styled every single day.
Like, I mean, if one part, if it just grew a little bit.
No, but it's, like, so perfectly and flat.
Yeah, yeah. Like, I mean, half long, half short.
I mean, okay, you gotta admit, it's weird.
It's a little odd, but it's a little cool.
I think it's a lightsaber.
Somebody just whacked her hair up.
So I would say that, yeah, so for Emma, I think, so why is she feeling anxiety?
Well, she's feeling anxiety because being famous doesn't feed your heart.
No. It's not the same as living with people and loving them and having that stability that comes from being loved and loving people.
You can't usually achieve much stability just on your own.
You kind of have to have people around you who can keep you grounded and give you feedback and all that.
So why is she feeling anxious?
I think for two reasons. One, she's beginning to realize that money doesn't buy you love, doesn't buy you happiness, and it can make you distant from people.
But the second thing is that deep down, She's on what's called a fool's quest, which means that she's going to try and use all of her money and power and influence to change things that fundamentally can't be changed.
So like, yeah, women earn less than men.
Yeah, it's true. Because women choose jobs often that don't pay as much.
Women take more time off.
Women have kids and all of that.
And when women have more freedom, they tend to choose jobs that pay even less.
Yeah. So she's going to be out there and say, well, I'm not going to rest and I'm not going to be happy and I'm not going to think that the world is a good place until men and women earn exactly the same.
That will never happen. No.
And I think deep down the anxiety is, look, you're wasting your time following this crazy socialist dream and it's costing you your family, it's costing you your happiness, it's costing you your stability.
But she's like, oh man, I'm just being programmed by commercials and she's making all of those anxious feelings go away and you shouldn't.
Those feelings are there to help you.
They're there. Yeah. You know?
Like if you stub your toe and it hurts, that's there to help you to stop you from stubbing your toe again.
Yeah. So anyway, I think that's kind of what's going on, but it's hard to say.
Yeah, I was just really fast about the same point.
If someone, if some man, like a man and a woman, if they both want to be a doctor...
Then maybe they'll probably hire the man because the man can work longer and he'll have an incentive to work because he'll probably get married and then he'll have to provide for his family.
But a woman, they'll be like, oh I can work and then they get married and then they have kids and then they have to take their leave whenever.
I think when they're really late in the pregnancy they also have to take a break or something.
It's usually kind of wise because you don't want to drop a baby while you're at work, right?
No. That would be weird.
I mean, if you're a doctor, you'd know what to do.
That's true. Yeah, but you still might need some help, right?
Yes. But, I mean, like, you could...
They'd have to...
Like, this is why they pay less, because they just...
They wouldn't have to leave.
The men can work for a lot longer.
Yeah. And men have more testosterone, can be a little bit more aggressive or assertive in getting ahead and all of that.
And also men, a little bit...
Again, all of these, it don't matter to individuals, but when you talk about big groups...
Yeah. So men... Are more comfortable on average with being disliked.
Yeah. Whereas women are a little bit more like, I want to be liked.
I want to be liked, right? And so she's obviously very good at being liked.
She's very high charisma, right? You need that to be an actor, right?
Because people have to want to watch you.
And so she wants everyone to get along.
She wants everything to be equal.
But if she were to say, ah, you know, so men get paid differently from women because of a lot of choices that people make.
And there is probably a little bit of bigotry in that.
In that if you're a young woman, you might not want to get disliked.
Married to have kids, in which case you can work for a long time as hard as a man and all that, but on average, right?
But then she'd be unpopular because people would say, oh wait, you think that there's no sexism?
There's no bias against women?
And she'd be like, hey, you know, it gets really hard to find in the data and blah, blah, blah.
And so because she likes to be liked, The socialists who run a lot of the entertainment industry would dislike her and probably not even hire her, so she's kind of trapped by her fame.
Now she has to say things that aren't true and she has to pursue this fool's quest because if she doesn't...
If you do tell these kinds of truths, people don't want to hire you to be in their movies, right?
No. So it's really, it's a tough life.
And I feel, I have a lot of sympathy for her.
Although she's smart, she probably doesn't have a lot of people telling her the truth.
So yeah, she can call me if she wants and we do a private call with her.
But I'm not, I'm not holding my breath.
No, me neither. Anything you wanted to add?
No. Close it off? All right.
Well, thanks everyone so much.
Check out my dragon drawings, just so you're aware.
Yes, dragon drawings. I'll put some links to the tweets with dragon drawings below the show.
We put out a new one recently.
I'm sorry. I apologize for the non-constant stream of those.
I've been getting just a tiny bit more to doing the drawings.
But I mean, look. It's had a good run.
No, seriously. It's had a good run?
I'm kidding. Your artistic career of like two years has had a good run.
No, like... No, seriously.
I mean... I remember when you were a young artist.
Anyway, go on. Okay.
No, I mean, I will take breaks.
Like, sometimes I just get, you know, I'm done with it.
Like, I mean, I've done it for a long time.
My hand gets tired. Yeah, it is, right?
I was, like, even doing writing, like, for my English homework and stuff like that, I was, like, my hands.
Or the dungeons that you make, you write a lot of stuff.
I just want, yeah, I just want to adjust.
They're, like, oh, fix the sentence.
And I just want to adjust it.
And I was, like, oh, you should write it down on the paper.
I'm, like, but my hand's tired!
Well, more writing will help.
Alright. Yes. Well, thanks everyone.
We'll talk to you again soon. Lots of love from up here and stay safe in these challenging times.
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