Knowledge Fight Interactive Search Tool

All Episodes

Previous Next

April 5, 2020 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux

01:25:36

Coronavirus vs the Central Nervous System - Dr Kevin W McCairn, PhD and Stefan Molyneux

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Time	Text
	And we're just going to wait for a couple people to jump in.
	For those of you who are just joining us, this is Stefan Molyneux from Freedomain.
	And I'm here with Dr.
	Kevin McCairn, PhD, and he is going to get us up to date on some of the health risks that may be a little bit underplayed with regards to coronavirus, the CCP virus, COVID-19, COVID-2, SARS-19, something, something.
	And it seems to have more names than the Aztec Welcome to my show!
	In neuroscience, more, 20 plus years in neuroscience, but also because I really do have the feeling, and I know having a feeling is not an argument, but I really do have the feeling that there's stuff out there in what is known in the world that is not necessarily being wildly communicated to us.
	If you look at the elites and how they don't generally respond with great alarm, even to very dangerous things, you know, like hundreds of thousands of little British girls getting raped, By immigrants, they tend to kind of brush that under the rug.
	So I always kind of had the feeling, rightly or wrongly, that there was more that was going on in terms of health dangers than what had been communicated to us.
	And so when Dr. McCarron contacted me and said, you might be right.
	Well, of course, you know, anyone who tells me I'm right has my immediate attention and eternal loyalty.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	But I, of course, have had some doctors and experts with a variety of views of the dangers of coronavirus on the show.
	And I wanted to give you this perspective because I am a big one for, well, expertise.
	I don't do my own teeth.
	I don't do my own surgery, and I don't do my own evaluation.
	Of coronavirus' effect on the central nervous system.
	It's not something I'm sort of plotting out in my basement with a fork and a blowtorch.
	So I really do appreciate your time here.
	I hope you don't mind if we're on a first-end basis, Kevin.
	It's a really great pleasure to have you.
	And, of course, it's going to be a little sluggish from the video side because we are contacting each other from, well, opposite sides of the world.
	But I really do appreciate your time.
	Thanks so much. Stefan, thank you very much for giving me this opportunity to speak to your audience.
	I know this was a few weeks in the making and I hope the events just haven't overtaken us with respect to, I don't know what you want to call it, Covid or China flu.
	Do you have a preference?
	Yeah, we'll just call it Covid for here.
	Okay. So, I mean, when I first contacted you was, like I said, a few weeks back, and there was something that struck me quite deeply when I began to see footage coming out of China, and that wasn't so much the report,
	it was video footage coming out of people literally just collapsing sort of mid-walk, Or the thing that really caught my attention was the deliberate contamination that you were seeing with respect to, I'm sure everyone's seen the video clips by now, of people spitting and wiping down surfaces with their saliva.
	And at that point, that really piqued my interest because a lot of my research career has been developing primate models of Tourette's syndrome.
	And one of the major symptoms of Tourette's is spitting or the use of sort of foul language at inappropriate moments.
	So there's nothing wrong with swearing per se.
	You just have to get it timed right.
	And the same with, you know, sometimes you need to spit.
	And it's a well...
	Developed reflex, and it's a very deep reflex that sits in the brain, but it's harder to initiate than, say, the knee-jerk reflex or the elbow, which most people would be familiar with.
	But in Tourette's, there's very specific pathways that we, well, now we know, we didn't 20 years ago, that seem to underlie a lot of the oddities that Tourette's is associated with.
	Okay, so before...
	If you could give the listeners a little bit about your background, your history and your role at the university, the research gate work and all of that, that would be great.
	And of course, I'll put the links to all of your work and your YouTube channel and all of that below.
	So, like I say, as Stefan said, I have 20 plus years research experience and that's gone from...
	Postgraduate to having my own lab.
	So the lab was based in Daegu in South Korea and perhaps many of your listeners will know that Daegu is ground central for the Shinji cult that was sort of tied and being rounded up in South Korea.
	They had hundreds of thousands of members, but their home city was Daegu, which was, interestingly enough, the home city of the former prime minister as well, who was arrested and is currently in prison right now because of irregularities.
	Let's put it as politely as that.
	They had a sort of Her irregularities had a major knock-on effect that the facilities which I was promised when I signed contracts with the Korean Brain Research Institute fell through and I wasn't able that they couldn't provide a monkey lab for me at the time and so with the generous Philanthropy of American citizens in general and the charitable organization supporting my work.
	I was able to sort of carry on a few more years work and now I'm essentially sort of partially retired because of Call it karma, I don't know, of head injury myself.
	So that's how I've really been.
	If I was engaged in my own research right now, I'd probably be paying much less attention to what was coming out of China right now.
	And it's only because I was watching in real time that I could see it.
	So what was your history?
	Because we all have our stories of how we first got aware of this virus and China's response and how it got out.
	What was your history?
	When did you first hear about it?
	And what was your first thoughts about it?
	So my first thoughts were, so I heard about it in December, and I was watching it because I knew they had a primate colony there.
	So I'd always avoided, there's always work for me if I wanted to go to China, the rest of the world not so much.
	The type of research I do at sort of university level is shut down pretty much in the West right now because of the The SJW element, for want of a better descriptor.
	And so that's how I sort of set up in Japan.
	And I watched stuff starting to come out of Wuhan.
	And like I say, I was aware, because you know, if you sort of work in the field, you know who has monkeys and who doesn't, because it's such a sort of niche speciality.
	And so as soon as I sort of heard something pop up from there, I'd started paying much more attention.
	And then we find out that they do have not just a BSL-2 or 3 lab, they've got a BSL-4 lab, which is literally right at the end of the extreme spectrum that you can go.
	Sorry, and let's break that out because I've used that phrase a lot.
	And what is it that's the only one, to my knowledge, in all of China?
	And what is it that is required or what is it that is necessary?
	What are the protocols in place that define something as a BSL-4 level?
	Hang on, I've still got something beeping in my background.
	I know what it is.
	Let me just find it. So BSL basically breaks down to biosafety labs.
	So some people often call them P-labs as well.
	And I don't know why I can hear Discord right now, but it's really irritating me.
	But the biosafety lab is a protocol designed to minimize contamination with the researchers and technicians that are in the lab and also to shield somewhat the outside world who are...
	Who have to work around the facility.
	So embedded around the BSL-4 facility is the infrastructure that will make it run.
	So there's the bureaucratic side.
	And as well as the bureaucratic side, you will have Secretaries and technicians that don't even go into that part of the lab that just deal with other sort of components.
	And you're going to have to give me a second because...
	The comments here from our helpful listeners are there's a do not disturb mode, which is, I think, that is on Discord.
	Could be on Windows as well.
	Slow-mo. Oh, yeah. Let me just...
	Discord makes me want to throw the wall at the computer sometimes, too.
	Yeah, no, I think we've all been there.
	I think we've all been there. Yeah, yeah.
	Good God help you if you have a phone by your bed and Discord notifications.
	It's going to be a restless night of, huh, what?
	Right. So I think I've just squished that particular problem.
	So let's...
	Now, why would... This is something I think sort of could question.
	Why on earth would you have...
	I mean, I know that there's one in Winnipeg, Canada, which has had some untoward Chinese researchers there as well.
	But it seems odd to me that...
	Wait, did we just get another one?
	No, I didn't. I don't even say running in task manager to kill it.
	No, that's fine. No, it's not me, is it?
	No, I don't think so. But anyway, so why would you have a BSL-4 lab right in the middle of a populated area?
	That seems like a very strange decision to me.
	I mean, sort of like building a nuclear power plant right in a suburb.
	Yeah, and you have to put that in the context of the egos that often scientists tend to have.
	Oh, nothing will ever escape from my lab!
	Right, right, okay. Pretty much.
	And coupled with the open fire hose of Chinese currency, which has...
	Basically taken China from sort of peasantry after the Second World War to what is essentially the world's manufacturing base.
	And Wuhan is very central to China, so it would be difficult to get to if you were having, if you were trying to find it as a place to get to.
	So it makes sense to sort of put it There where it is, but you also need to attract people to do some of the work.
	And we know that the PIs that are involved, so some of the scandal that has blown up in Canada's face from the Winnipeg Institute.
	Be clear about this. Whilst I've got the Stéphane Molyneux megaphone, I've been struggling to get heard.
	It's not just Winnipeg.
	There are multiple organizations that have got dirty hands and sticky fingers all around this institute.
	I mean, this is probably asking you out of turn, but my just rabid curiosity, Kevin, sort of remains like, what on earth?
	You get so little information about what happened In Winnipeg and other places, Harvard, the guy was just arrested.
	He's been charged because he did not disclose massive financial and contractual ties to China.
	What is this? I mean, this may be just gossip, so to speak.
	You probably don't know any more than I do, other than maybe people have talked to you in the business, but what is going on?
	With these ties to China, with these people being escorted out, being frog-marched out, being perp-walked out of these labs on a regular basis.
	What is the story there?
	It's money. It's just as simple as that.
	And again, the ego stroking.
	And the more a scientist is able to pump up their value with respect to money coming in and the research directions that they can take, The more valuable they become to the Institute themselves.
	So you can be sure the buck didn't just stop with that PI and chairman at Harvard.
	I'll absolutely guarantee you that went right to the top and you're basically seeing a firewall kick in with respect to that individual's own dealings and there'll be enough sort of distance to make some degree of ambiguity with respect to who Who you could track down potentially as being involved.
	But my very, like I said, I've only come onto YouTube within sort of last month or so because of what I saw as the inherent disregard for protocols for the Negligence towards people because corners weren't being cut.
	They were actually sort of following the protocols that they're supposed to, which is publish or perish and get funding, right?
	That is what's drummed into you when you sort of get on the greasy pole up the...
	The stairway of academia to its illustrious heights and they all just deal in money and trying to scratch each other's back and the same happens with publications.
	I've witnessed it firsthand and of course there's some good folks in science.
	I genuinely believe that a lot of people got into it or get into it out of Generally more sort of altruistic and curiosity-based reasons, but there's just something about once money kicks in that starts making things very sketchy.
	Well, I mean, I've done shows on this, so I'll just do a 20-second rant here, but science is not what people think it is.
	Science is not the, you know, curious, relentless, rational pursuit of truth no matter what the cost.
	Science has become a big government bureaucracy.
	It is a giant government program.
	It has very little relationship to the free market.
	It's full of politics and ego and money-grubbing and grant-hunting and Buddy-buddying and firewalls of intellectual hostility, and it's really just turned into a gossip-mongering, capital-destroying, knowledge-obscuring, politically correct pile of garbage as a whole.
	Again, as you point out, there are individuals within the systems who don't follow that particular line, but I think they're few and far between, and I think they're kind of fading out.
	Yeah, and I would agree with everything.
	Word that you said there, and the reason I can say that is because through most of my career, I didn't have to climb that That silly highway to glory because I was getting charitable funding for my research.
	So it wasn't a lot of money.
	I mean, I was running a research program on $50,000, $60,000 a year.
	Obviously, I wasn't paying for infrastructure and I was dependent on the beneficence of other individuals who would obviously gain from my work being done in their But as a consequence of that,
	and I think just through the grace of God, what I was doing was geared towards helping children, that I was able to escape a lot of the more unsavory elements of the discipline.
	Well, and I do want to point out that I've seen some of the comments on your videos of people thanking you enormously for your work, particularly on Tourette's syndrome.
	But let's, I guess, dive into the meat of the matter.
	What is... The issue with COVID, COVID-19, coronavirus, and the central nervous system, because all we've really heard about is, you know, it's going to hit your lungs.
	I've talked to other doctors who said that it's going to plug into receptors elsewhere in your body.
	I haven't heard much about the central nervous system, so I wonder if you could lay out what you have understood in that area.
	Yeah, so the inner nutshell is that ever since SARS broke onto the scene, the virologists knew that there was what they call a neurotrophic component to the virus, which means it's able to latch on Two receptors and basically in a retrograde, meaning go backwards up an axon and infect cell bodies.
	And they've sort of shown over the years that this infection or this virus has the capacity to jump trans-synaptically.
	So once in the nervous system, once it's sort of traveled up the spinal cord.
	So the first videos I made were saying that Covid attacks the central nervous system and destroys an area of the brain called Botzinger Complex, which is in the medulla, which is your brainstem.
	And I was, you know, my suspicions had been aroused because I'd seen what looked like turrettisms coming out of China.
	And, you know, that sort of tuned me into the fact that, well, it may...
	So I would say for your listeners, it may...
	It may have a mechanism similar to rabies in terms of how it sort of propagates in the central nervous system.
	It might not be as pathogenic as rabies.
	It might sort of lie somewhere between measles and rabies with respect to how lethal it is.
	One of the things that we're seeing right now is that, and I did a very long stream today because there was, and his videos are a couple of days old from New York, and it's literally an ICU medic.
	Who is literally just sort of imploring people with a few hundred subscribers that there is something going on with COVID that they don't understand as Medics that are geared towards treating viral pneumonia.
	He said that in his words, I'm paraphrasing, it looks something akin to sort of altitude, like they're being taken up to very high altitude and they're not getting enough oxygen with their breathing.
	Boxing a complex in the brainstem is involved in the rhythmicity of your breathing.
	As myself and yourself are speaking to each other, you don't think about your breathing.
	There's a pacing that goes with it.
	Like I say, and it's geared on the chemistry of your blood and reflexes themselves, and there's a rhythmic component to that activity that enables you to breathe without thinking about it.
	If you get an infection in there, what's going to happen is that that rhythmicity is going to be disrupted to some degree.
	Wait, sorry, in there meaning the part of the brain that regulates breathing or automates breathing?
	Sorry to interrupt, but this is the people who are...
	It's so weird because it reminds me of a very old Flintstones cartoon that I watched as a kid where he gets a virus where he can't fall asleep and they have to kind of keep him up.
	So these are the people who are scared to fall asleep because they're afraid that they're going to forget, in a sense, how to breathe.
	Yes, very much so.
	And so there was a very important...
	Paper came out as a sort of rapid communication in, let's say, Journal of Virology right now.
	And the reason I sort of paid attention to it was because one of the authors was affiliated with one of the institutes that I'm affiliated with, RIKEN, in Japan.
	And, you know, that institute has its own problems.
	We could spend a whole episode talking about that.
	But because of that, I... I usually get a lot of papers across my desk so I still review stuff because people ask me to do it and they request me and I get a lot of papers that come from Chinese authors and usually I'm sort of skeptical in a way often because the results often just seem too good and that's how the stats were looking with respect to China as the death toll and the afflicted were mounting up and so Um...
	Well, yeah, you know, I just had a lot of suspicions and they mentioned this brain region because SARS as a virus was known to be expressed in that region.
	But the problem being that most medics are going to see or think SARS viral pneumonia.
	They're not going to think viral neurotrophic like rabies.
	That's the problem. Like I say, if people go to...
	I don't know. People said that my stream got taken down straight away today.
	I don't know if that's true or not.
	But you can get on my Discord.
	Discord is public right now.
	There's a lot of links in there if people want to sort of follow up what I'm saying.
	There is a paper trial in this case.
	And should something happen to this stream, one of mine vanished.
	Of course, YouTube has a lot of automation that's going on at the moment and not a lot of manual review.
	So people can find this at dlive.tv.
	forward slash free domain so dlive.tv forward slash free domain people can follow this if it should happen to vanish from youtube which i guess won't help people if they're on youtube but they can't hear this but anyway uh for those of you who are listening so okay so the virus let's start like real you know explain it to me like i'm i'm five years old right right So the virus is an RNA thing.
	It's, you know, not even really considered a life form.
	It's sheathed in a kind of fat.
	It gets into your system.
	It plugs into receptors.
	Then what? So then it will unravel itself, so the protein coat will be shed and the lipid protection around the viral code, its genetic makeup, which in this case is RNA,
	will be injected into the cytoplasm of the cell and there are things called ribosomes in the cell which are geared towards Taking messenger RNA from the cell nucleus and encoding it into proteins and elements that the cell needs for functioning.
	And that can, like I say, that could be fixed hormones to neurotransmitters to, you know, the list is potentially endless as you would sort of rattle through it.
	But once inside the cell, it can...
	It hijacks the ribosomes and then begins to sort of replicate in such a way that it then gets encapsulated again and then gets shuttled out or along the axon of the neuron,
	if we're speaking about the central nervous system, and then it will jump to the The targets around the cell body, so it could cause the cell to, it's called lysis, so the cell sort of burst once the sort of viral load gets high enough,
	or if they're, so the brain is a specialized region, so it's called immunoprivileged, so the blood-brain barrier is there to sort of act as a stopgap to most pathogens getting in, and most Medics would sort of, that would be where their knowledge would sort of stop, unless they're sort of familiar with things like rabies, as an example.
	I'm using rabies because one, most people are familiar with it, and two, I would make the I would put the hypothesis forward that you're seeing some sort of progression through the central nervous system like you do with rabies.
	But in the case of rabies, I think what you tend to see is more that it actually physically destroying the individual neurons within a network and potentially what you've got with The COVID virus is that instead of just lysing the cell, it's just enough to sort of keep hijacking and shedding neurons into a network and sort of spreading where it needs to go.
	And then occasionally it would sort of flip into a sort of more pathogenic mode.
	And so a good example of the peripheral nervous system is shingles, herpes zoster, that would have a So a lot of the time you don't have it and then for whatever reason it just sort of decides to rear its ugly head at a particular moment and I'm guessing,
	well I'm hypothesizing that the same is true with COVID. So what does this mean for the progression of the illness and are you saying that COVID can cross the barrier and then start going at the brain?
	Yes. So the blood-brain barrier essentially includes all the spinal cord and the dura dura mater around the brain.
	And so it's an extended structure across the whole of the body.
	And so if there's a retrograde component to the To the virus itself.
	In theory, you could prick it into the end of your big toe and it would travel up the motor or sensory axon all the way up to the spinal cord.
	Make the jump because there's a synapse in the spinal cord itself that receives sensory and motor input.
	And that's where sort of basic reflexes come from.
	Okay, the sort of activation of that circuit.
	Once in there, so it's already got into the nervous system by traveling up the axon from your big toe.
	It's coming towards the spinal cord.
	It makes the jump into the spinothalamic tracks, and these go right up to the brain.
	But there's an added extra complication here that one of the weakest points where COVID can attack is the oral mucosa in the brain in the nasal passages and by transfecting the Sensory nerve endings that enable you to smell.
	It travels to a region called the olfactory bulb.
	From the olfactory bulb, it's another synapse into a region called the basal ganglia.
	And these are a collection of deep nuclei in the mid and forebrain.
	That's kind of what goes wrong in Tourette's and Parkinson's.
	And so that's where I... The spitting and the impulsivity is what I saw that stood out for me rather than...
	So when someone's ill and they feel feverish, they tend to get lethargic almost with temperature and fever because you don't feel well and your body says you need to shut down.
	Yeah, I mean, I've had that occasionally where...
	You just lie in bed.
	You're not alert or awake enough to do anything, but you're not actually kind of asleep.
	It's kind of this weird no time situation.
	Like you're kind of lost in space.
	Like you kind of look up and it's like, oh, wow, two hours have gone by.
	And you just lie there in this sort of Raskolnikovian kind of half world between sleep and waking.
	And it's actually kind of cool in a way because it keeps your energy low.
	Which is good because you keep your activity low, but also it helps pass the time until you get better because it's a little bit of a waiting game with this stuff.
	Yes, yeah. And so if we're dealing with a situation where the primary route of infection is the central nervous system first because it's, let's go the nasal route, And the virus is hijacking the brain in a way that they don't have the respiratory symptoms that people are defining the disorder by.
	Potentially what you have then, I was tongue-in-cheek calling them COVID zombies and just in sort of deference to a person who I, I'm sure your listeners like listening to as well, is Jim Metica. I think he's really funny.
	He does a really funny podcast and one of his sort of themes is the global Pestilence, a pandemic, and he coined the term Corona Chan as the name for COVID,
	and I sort of took it from there, that once the transfection has got into the basal ganglia, this region is responsible for the automatic So, say for example, I'm talking to you, but I know I've got a cup in front of me.
	I can reach for the cup and guide my action in such a way and make the decision to do that through the aid of these nuclei called the basal ganglia as a layman's approach.
	Like I say, when they go wrong when you're old, you can't move.
	And in the other case, in youngsters, when the nervous system is being primed, you get involuntary behaviours.
	And like I say, that's what I saw.
	That was the marker for me.
	Does it kick in around, I don't know what the technical term is, but I would sort of call it the third eye or the observing ego?
	The part of you that looks at yourself and says, well, how am I behaving relative to my values, relative to good behavior, relative to my standards, relative to what is socially acceptable?
	I don't know if you'd call it the shame brain or something like that.
	Shame brain is good. Yeah, does it kick in and disinhibit people from social norms?
	I guess, is that a potential scenario?
	Yeah, absolutely, the potential scenario.
	And that's precisely what you're seeing.
	And so the most striking video footage coming out of China with the people that were going in and spitting onto...
	Whether it be buttons in an elevator because they think no one's watching or the drinks in a store if they think no one's watching.
	Or I've seen a woman, it was a Chinese woman, opening and closing and rubbing her hands on the keyboards in a computer store so when people come and test the keyboards they then get the virus that way.
	Yeah, so all those types of things can be...
	So OCD-type behaviours are manifested through this network as well.
	So you have to think of the virus, once transfecting, you have to think of it as shunting the network to a...
	A readiness state that under normal circumstances would take more steps to get to.
	And then from its altered baseline, then comes the jump to the automatic behaviours.
	So the spit reflex being this one that I sort of home in on as being the critical Factor for this.
	So as a virus, you want to be able to spread as far as you can without people really knowing that you're sick.
	So the virus wants carriers.
	And so if someone's coughing, people instinctively have a sort of A revulsion to that type of behaviour, especially if you're on planes or trains.
	And a lot of the footage that I was seeing earlier on was coming from aeroplanes, okay?
	So people sort of flipping out on an aeroplane.
	And usually, you know, people flip out on aeroplanes.
	That's normal. But it's the spitting that came, right?
	And I was like, oh, yeah.
	That to me just sort of was the sort of nail in the coffin that said, I need to do something because there is this dereliction of duty that...
	I don't know what you're like for time, but I would literally just start reading out the people who need to be held to account.
	And I would start right from the top with, you know, you could probably forgive...
	The President of the United States right now, because he can't know everything.
	He defers to experts.
	Well, he was also dealing with a massive impeachment coup attempt for many years that happened to overlap with the start of this virus, which, of course, puts at least some of the blame on the lap of the Democrats.
	Not that they'll ever take any blame.
	They seem to lack that observing ego and the shamebrain aspect of things.
	But yeah, there was a lot that was going on that was going to be somewhat distracting.
	Yeah, so as I sort of watch this theatre of absurd begin to commence, the one thing that really, you know, boiled my blood,
	I'll try not to swear too much, was the press conference by the Surgeon General when it was understood that it was arriving in the United States at a sort of Large enough scale that it was going to be difficult to fudge it with numbers with respect to flu or other respiratory illnesses.
	In that press meeting, the Surgeon General, Jerome Adams, stood up and He went in front of the American people and the world because the world still looks to the United States for guidance somewhat.
	And there hadn't been any guidance coming from the East.
	We can get into that as well.
	But he stood up there and unflinchingly said to the public, you don't need masks and generally you're too stupid to even know how to use a mask properly.
	Literally, those were his words.
	I'm paraphrasing. But that's what was said.
	And as a consequence of that, I would just say there was a neglect put into the strategic posture of the West that enabled this pathogen to get a foothold that had the statistics been correct from the beginning and the reporting being correct from the beginning, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
	Oh, I mean, we could probably do an entire show on how COVID-19, COVID-1984, it seems to be becoming, how it is largely a government-engineered crisis.
	I mean, whatever we think of in terms of the origins, the fact that the Chinese Communist Party shut down debate, wouldn't let the World Health Organization in, although that may be a benefit given how the WHO is acting these days.
	Jail doctors threw dissidents into gulags for talking about it, let 5 million people get out of Wuhan, didn't close their airports, let it go around the world, and then went around the world, scooping up medical equipment and taking it back to China, and then also shipping not only ineffective but also infected masks and other kinds of protective equipment around the world, surgical masks and so on. I mean, and then, of course, not closing.
	Apparently you can close the economy later, but you can't close the borders to begin with.
	I mean, it's all completely mad.
	They downplay it in order to help it spread, and then they completely crush the economy.
	I mean, you really couldn't be working harder to wreck America, to wreck the West, to wreck the world as a whole.
	It is really like watching people with detonators go into a building and call themselves architects.
	Right. Again, you won't get any argument from me in that respect.
	And like I say, there are people, if I could work it out, then I'm pretty sure that intelligence agencies and people that had boots on the ground all through this knew what was coming and, you know, what looks like a sort of slow burn 9-11,
	and I would make the argument that it's even worse than 9-11 because the numbers, the immediate death toll, The cumulative death toll is much higher than 9-11.
	That was a one-day event.
	The knock-on consequences we are, of course, still dealing with, but the stuttering and the Willful blindness.
	I want to think it was just ignorance.
	And there's the saying about, you know, don't ascribe malice where stupidity will do.
	Well, that may be your perspective, Kevin, and obviously you're welcome to it.
	But no, if you put yourself forward as an expert, you should know what the hell you're talking about.
	And when you've got people like Dr.
	Fauci in January saying, oh, it's not going to be a big deal for Americans, nothing for them to worry about, it's not going to have much effect.
	Yes, it's serious, but it's not going to be a big deal for America.
	It's like, well, that's a pretty important thing to get wrong.
	You know, that's a pretty important thing because if this guy who has, you know, the ear of the president and so on, if he was able to make the case in a public and compelling manner about the danger of this damn thing early on, then there might have been enough outrage and momentum to close the borders, in which case America.
	And we know this, if China had not, if China had just closed its airports, it would have...
	We've mitigated 95% of the impact of coronavirus.
	It would be localized. It would be much easier to deal with.
	There could be very decisive measures put in place to tamp it down.
	Now, of course, there is the long-run problem, which we can talk about, about this genie being out of the bottle and it ain't going back in Robin Williams style.
	So how are we going to deal with that?
	But yeah, for sure, to me, it's fine if some idiot in a chat window says, well, it's just like the flu.
	It's like, well, he's just some idiot in a chat window, right?
	He's supposed to take anyone seriously.
	But when people... Are specifically paid and taking millions or hundreds of millions or billions of dollars of taxpayers' money to keep taxpayers safe and claim a string of alphabet soup credentials after their name and put the doctor in front and discounts for you too, right?
	But the reality is that they do have an obligation to A, be correct, and B, if they're incorrect, to humbly apologize and tell everyone what went wrong.
	Like, for instance, I'd love to see...
	The actual algorithms and the source data behind all of this modeling that's going so wrong.
	Right? I mean, open it up.
	Open source, man. Come on.
	Yeah. And all of that needs to be transparent now.
	And again, like I say, with the heavy artillery that you bring to my message, I don't have a hesitation in calling out who we need to call out.
	And one is Fauci, and he knows who he is, and I hope he's listening.
	He's sort of filled me in a lot with respect to the history of Fauci, who's been there in the background since the Reagan administration.
	He's the epitome of what I would call a deep state actor.
	Those were his words spoken by the Surgeon General when they told the people, you don't need masks.
	Masks won't help you.
	And masks very much will help you.
	And you're going to get some smart ass say, well, you need an N95 or an N100 mask.
	And I would say, well, yeah, maybe if you're dealing with the ill 24-7.
	But actually right now, 99% of the population, whilst we're People like ourselves, Stefan, who are just Joe Public at the end of the day, have to sort of make decisions for your family, for the people that you care about, and so on and so forth.
	You need to be able to have some degree of predictive capacity to understand what's going on.
	And when they say no masks, How many people turned around and said it's not necessary?
	And even now, they're still doing it.
	And right now, the CDC is considering reversing its current stance, but the...
	It's too slow. It's too slow right now and it needs to happen right now and the injunction needs to be shelter in place and when you need to go out, which is to get your supplies that you need, so I don't know, milk, eggs, fresh stuff that you can get hold of, you need something as a barrier that stops you touching around your nose and mouth.
	Oh yeah, sorry to interrupt, but I just, I mean, Chris Martinson kind of clued people into this as sort of three basic reasons that you need to wear masks.
	Number one, of course, it prevents the aerosol spray from your cough and your sneeze.
	Number two, it doesn't eliminate it, but it reduces it.
	Number two, as you point out, it reminds you to stop touching your face.
	And number three, it reduces the We're good to go.
	And then you're in serious trouble.
	So those three things are very important.
	And it's almost incomprehensible as to why this basic sensible precaution.
	I mean, when I was in Hong Kong last fall shooting my documentary, I mean, masks were everywhere.
	And this was prior to the rollout, so to speak, of COVID-19.
	And the idea that you would just say to people that they're not necessary is I don't even know what to say, other than it appears to have a specifically murderous intent.
	I mean, you're going to get people killed.
	Yes. Yeah, that would be my take on it.
	And everything that you said is right for the reasons to be wearing a mask.
	But I would just add that what we do know happened during the...
	So as the CDC and the Surgeon General and all those organizations which are supposed to kick in are...
	Speaking to the public at large, what we do know is that the CDC was requisitioning medical supplies for themselves, so what they considered to be essential personnel.
	And the decision was made that they'll handle what comes down the line and that someone's calculated the losses, right?
	At some point, there's some algorithm and network chugging along that's giving them sort of up to the minute sort of predictions.
	And a decision was made that they will tell the people not to bother.
	What they're trying to do is stop the onset of panic.
	Right? Because the mask wearing sort of increases the idea in the Western mind that there is something really pathogenic about this new thing that we're seeing.
	You know, again, you know, it might just be stupidity, but, you know, you can't...
	You are a very, very nice young man.
	It is wonderful to be in the presence of such benevolent optimism.
	I don't happen to share that benevolent optimism.
	You may be right, I hope you're right, that they just don't want to start a panic.
	Well, I think, you know, the fact that people can't pay the rent, the fact that people are out of work, the fact that the economy is collapsing around us...
	Might be some indication that a panic is underway.
	I think there are a couple of things.
	I think that the moment they tell people to start wearing masks, people want to go and get masks.
	And what will they find?
	There aren't any masks.
	And that's going to be a big issue.
	And the second thing, which is supposition, of course, but it's based upon very clear historical facts, which is that when governments can't pay their bills, they tend to eliminate excess population.
	This is well known, well known throughout history.
	You promise the world to everyone, particularly in a democracy, oh, you can have all the pensions and free healthcare and subsidized wages and all of this kind of stuff.
	We're going to just spend, spend, spend.
	And when the bill comes due, traditionally, what governments do is they go to war.
	They go to war, kills off a bunch of population, and then they just reset.
	In other words, you can borrow your way into future elimination.
	Now, I'm not saying this is anybody's plan.
	I'm not saying it's conscious, but there is this particular historical pattern.
	So for me, I mean, the Chinese Communist Party is one of the...
	If not the worst mass murderer in the history of the planet.
	So when people say, well, you're saying it could be some kind of bioweapon, but that would harm their own population.
	It's like, hello, this is communism.
	That's number one on their job resume, willing to harm and kill millions of their own people.
	And so the idea that a virus gets out that eliminates...
	People dependent on the state who are very expensive to the state, the frail, the infirm, the diabetic, the obese, the elderly, and so on.
	Again, I'm not saying any of this is plotted.
	I'm not saying any of this is planned.
	But it's the kind of thing where, you know, hmm, well, it's true it is a global pandemic.
	But boy, it might help solve some of our unfunded liabilities.
	I just think that kind of cooks down there because it's really incomprehensible as to how...
	Anti-productive, anti-help, anti-safety, anti-healthcare, the responses have all been.
	I'm just putting that out there as the rant.
	I'm not saying I've proven anything.
	I'm just saying there's a lot of historical precedent.
	And the precedent is, I would argue, overwhelming in that sense.
	And like I say, I'm being on my best behavior with respect to the words that I'm using right now, which is...
	Yeah, if you were to speak to me privately, I would be much more direct with my language, is how I would put it.
	And the simple fact of the matter is that this, you know, once herd immunity is established, and that's what they're going for, make no bones about it.
	Okay, so let's, sorry, just to break that one out a little bit more, we've got quite a number of people watching who probably kind of knew.
	So herd immunity, what's the story there?
	So herd immunity is where basically the A percentage of your population has a natural or built-up immunity to the pathogen that any sort of losses are minimised.
	So it would be the elderly or the very, well, God forbid it's the young, but you hope it's the elderly going first rather than the young.
	But generally, the population is robust enough to withstand any sort of There's herd immunity to many things already, right? So one of them being measles.
	So that was achieved through vaccinations and the Smallpox is another.
	So, you know, we've gone a long way to eradicating smallpox.
	I mean, one of the few places left with smallpox are these BSL-4 laboratories.
	And, you know, to give you some insight, I can absolutely guarantee you that The whatever method they want to choose, whether it's, you know, sort of techniques that people are familiar with now that sort of come into common parlance like CRISPR or other sort of gene shuttling mechanisms or even just through sort of cross-breeding or cross-infecting in animals themselves.
	So if you've got a colony of monkeys and you give them at the same time Grape is smallpox and SARS, for example, and you wait to see how the cell cooks that up in a way that you don't know.
	You don't know what's coming out the crazy conveyor belt at the end.
	And, you know, I would I would probably, you know, my hedging my bets, I would say that's what happened in Wuhan, that it was Well, there's no difference between a research virus versus a weaponised virus.
	It's just scale.
	And Okay, hang on.
	Sorry. I just wanted to open.
	There seems like quite a bit to unpack in that rather casual statement.
	So there's no difference functionally.
	I mean, in terms of like a research virus, you're going to manipulate, you're going to edit it and so on.
	So I can understand that.
	But in the intent, right, if you wanted to create a bioweapon virus, and everyone thinks that a bioweapon virus would be designed to attack and kill people...
	At least that's not, you know, if I had an evil twin, that's not how I would design a virus.
	I would design a virus kind of similar to what COVID-19 is in that it has a very long gestation period, that people are asymptomatic, that it disables people, it debilitates people.
	In other words, it's a virus that attacks the economy.
	Through people. The central goal is the economy.
	Of course, we've got two aircraft carriers in America who are disabled at the moment functionally because of this thing.
	And the other thing that I would do is I would try and get it to cross the blood blame barrier so that it would disinhibit people and thus be...
	Have them engage in activities that would help spread it in an odd way.
	So I'm not saying it is a weapon.
	I don't know. Nobody does. But this is just a misconception.
	Well, it doesn't have a high lethality rate.
	It's like, well, it does to the economy.
	That's going to have secondary splash damage on people's survivability.
	And, of course, you do want to overwhelm the health care system if you want to design this kind of weapon because then there's a lot of splash damage from people who otherwise will need it for various ailments and problems.
	You know, they all say this, oh, we've only cancelled elective surgery.
	Well, it's not a hobby, people.
	People really do need those surgeries.
	So when you say functionally, like through gene editing, through CRISPR, the same process is used to research viruses to create a bioweapon.
	But if you did want to create a bioweapon, sorry, I asked a question.
	I'm going on a rant here. The question is coming up.
	I apologize for that.
	No, you carry on. That's okay.
	Yeah, so if you are editing a virus, it would be the same process, but the design goal would probably be different.
	Is that what you mean? Yes.
	Okay. I just wanted to double check on that so people could be clear about that.
	At least I could be clear about it.
	Now, sorry, you were just in the middle of a thought.
	I rudely interrupted you because I try not to be dragged along without comprehension behind technical terms.
	If you wanted to finish your thought, I thought we could take a couple of cues from the audience.
	Well, I mean, I guess if I had to, you know, if this was a 30-second wrap-up and this was Fox News, I would finish with this, that Fauci, Surgeon General, heads of the CDC, the NIH, all those people that would have been in the know, all those top people, they need the perp walk right now.
	Pretty sure most of them will have some degree of understanding of what's going on.
	And like I say, their job is to the public, not to themselves.
	And they didn't come through when it mattered.
	And they've shown how expendable they think we are.
	Well, I mean, even that phrase, I know it's a technical phrase, but herd immunity, meh, right?
	But then, of course, the lawsuits, I assume, would start, right?
	I mean, there are already people in Spain suing the Spanish government for telling everyone to go attend feminist rallies in March and saying it was no problem.
	Okay, so let's do a couple of questions.
	If you don't...
	You know, if it's not relevant, you don't have any answers, obviously you know that you can just say pass, you know, in the old mastermind way when the game show when I was a kid.
	Why are there so many videos of empty hospitals?
	That's a good question and this is something that I would like to get to the bottom of as well.
	So if we're going to take the conspiratorial line that there is a mass hypnotic campaign being...
	Taking place that's designed to get people to stay indoors, then we need to try to get to the bottom of that straight away.
	So if there's footage of empty hospitals, we don't know what time they were taken, that footage, and when it was taken, etc.
	People can go and check either way.
	And I would encourage that, these citizen journalists, to To get an idea of the foot traffic coming in and out, the ambulances coming in and out.
	That's what I would want to know.
	And the second part to that is Kibono, right?
	Who's benefiting if that is the case?
	And, you know, a lot of my When I sort of first started streaming was, well, you know, my thoughts were, well, are you looking at the first steps of next generation warfare going more kinetic than it has done outside the Middle East for the past 20 years?
	And are we sort of heading towards that spasm of humanity which is I mean, there's no doubt that all of the people who've been stymied by America's vast military presence around the world are waiting for the economy to implode or the military to be more disabled, and then they're just going to go do what they do.
	I mean, the world is a bunch of jackals on the zebras of our freedoms.
	That is definitely... Now, a couple of reasons why there may be these empty hospitals.
	So, of course, there are different strains.
	Last count, I got eight different strains of different virulence and lethality.
	And so it could just be that it hasn't hit or a mild version has hit or people just think they've got the flu.
	It could be that people are afraid to go to hospitals because they're afraid of getting sicker and they're just having milder symptoms because they got a low dose of a low...
	Virulence virus. It could be that the moment people come in coughing up blood that they're immediately quarantined and isolated and they're put into these negative pressure rooms and so on and therefore you're not going to see them because you can't even see them if you're married to them so you're not going to see them from the bloody waiting room or the non-bloody waiting room I suppose.
	Also of course it could be that because a lot of elective surgeries have been cancelled that the hospitals are very quiet if they just don't happen to have a bunch of coronavirus patients around But it's sort of like, you know, in the Great London Fire of 1666, you could take a bunch of photos of buildings that weren't burning.
	That doesn't mean there wasn't the Great London Fire of 1666.
	So there's a lot of different possibilities.
	But yeah, you got to be careful.
	Because listen, I don't think I'm being pranked.
	I don't think I'm being trawled.
	But I am getting endless messages from healthcare workers at their wit's end and terrified and overwhelmed and so on.
	So... I just, you know, that's not any kind of proof of anything other than my sort of experience.
	All right. Well, I would just add to that.
	Like I say, all I have is my own understanding of these situations.
	And a thing that I didn't mention at the beginning when you were asking me to elaborate on what the BSL designations are was that as far as I could tell, Because I'm trained to operate BSL-2, BSL-4 as weapons, so I wouldn't go in there as civilian.
	The strictures for biosafety lab protocols were not being observed, as I could tell, that they should be observed.
	And that was highly evident from the beginning of watching, as well as the statistics.
	So I would just add that at the end of that question.
	Okay. Do you know anything about the effects and possible benefits or downsides of cannabis on the nervous system?
	Could it be a beneficial medicine during COVID-19?
	Or is this a myth? Now, I've not heard this myth, but I assume that there is a stoner culture out there, which, you know, it helps with everything.
	You know, it's like Windex in my Greek wedding, right?
	It helps with everything. And so, do you know anything?
	I mean, are they saying, oh, yeah, you know what's going to help you with COVID is weed.
	So, like I said, the last sort of correspondence I think I sent you was the case of the lady in her 50s, where they were sort of identifying Well, they didn't go into a mental state, they just said it was altered, but they describe a number of different types of encephalopathies and lesions.
	And CBD oils are known to be effective for For anti-inflammatory purposes.
	So there's that component to it.
	And what I would add is that CBD has a lot of interest with respect to Tourette's because it's young kids sort of respond to it and naive children are sort of very good blind test to the efficacy of a compound and CBD oil It seems to help and it's efficacious in epilepsy.
	So you can now get Sativex as a treatment which is a treatment based on weed that is clinically proven to help with epilepsy and potentially with Tourette's syndrome and you could be potentially protecting your brain with It being shunted to that impulsivity level,
	potentially. Like I say, just as a caveat to that, I would say I've been very reluctant to tell people what they should and shouldn't take, other than the sort of barrier type things.
	Well, we're comfortable with masks.
	That's not exactly medical advice.
	But no, I'm with you, man.
	I mean, the number of massive doses of vitamin C, colloidal silver, stay away from 5G, hide under the bed.
	I mean, literally, the amount of medical, I don't know, hack medical advice that's pouring into my inbox is kind of overwhelming.
	And yeah, I mean, this is not that show.
	You know, this is not that show.
	I'm not going to do any kind of medical advice here.
	Okay, what is the story with the kill rate?
	If you take the resolved cases, you get the ratio of deaths to resolved cases, you can get a kill rate of 18%.
	It's 17, 18% directly among the old.
	You hear that it's below 1% according to other metrics if you model how many people might have it versus how many people die.
	Do you have any sense?
	I mean, I know it's a little bit of spin the wheel and pick the numbers, but do you have any sense of how So I would make the argument that right now, because of the exponent rise in the population at large,
	what they call the case fatality rate is not an appropriate measure to use because you want that ratio to be held with a constant in the population at large.
	Sorry, I apologize.
	Could you start that one again?
	I was listening, I promise you.
	But when you say the population, you don't mean the general population, meaning the population of people who've tested positive?
	No, so this is where we have to make a very distinct difference.
	Okay, good. Let's get that nailed down, please.
	So the case fatality ratio is often used with the number of active cases associated.
	All of them. And then taking the number of dead and getting your ratio, so doing the division and working out percentage.
	That's a flawed method because you can't derive any sort of parametric statistics from it because you've got the constantly changing variable in your subject population.
	So the only thing you can work out, you can't work out a case fatality rate from that bit of data.
	What you can work out is a trend.
	of some form and that's potentially going towards the R0 of the disease itself.
	So that's where the population at large is a useful metric and I would say right now the best metric we have with respect to lethality is one where we can close the number of Pair down the number of variables in the equation to be cases closed,
	right? So that means a definitive diagnosis, and then your case is tracked at some level, depending on how that person wants to present.
	And then, you know, in that definition comes somewhere what they call will be the case closed defining Component and I don't know if that's not going to the doctor for three weeks or you know or they discharge you from hospital but that group the closed cases and I don't know if I check the amounts right now but so in my numbers the The morbidity rate in the closed cases is currently at 21%.
	This is just using Weldemeter's info.
	So there's currently 62,444 deaths and 304,182 which have an outcome one way or another.
	So right now, if you have a diagnosis of COVID, And the doctors confirmed that through whatever method.
	There's basically a one in five chance of you not making it through.
	Okay, so now that seems quite striking.
	Now, again, we do sort of want to point out that this is not demographically distributed evenly across the age spectrum, right?
	As you point out, kids are largely, I won't say immune, but they're safe from mortality, and there is a lot of comorbidity that's going on, obesity, diabetes, age.
	And there is, of course, the fact, which people have pointed out, and it's fair, that anybody who dies...
	With COVID-19, it's assumed to die from COVID-19, and that's going to change some of the numbers.
	And that's going to have an effect.
	So this is not like everyone in this audience has a one in five chance of dying if they test positive for COVID-19.
	That's a really, really important thing.
	But that to me is kind of important, right?
	Because the metrics that we have are, okay, people who've gone through the cycle of the illness, right?
	You can't pick morbidity out of...
	The middle of a pandemic or wherever we are.
	We're, I think, early in the first wave of the pandemic, and there probably will be, historically, there generally are three waves, a small one, a big one, and then a smaller one.
	but it's like sort of looking at the first three days of World War II and saying, well, I know the death count of World War II, and it's like, you really don't, because it's still early on in the whole process.
	But as far as the case is resolved, yeah, you got one in five people dying after the whole process is done.
	Now, again, that's people being tested, that's people being tracked, that doesn't count all the people who get sick, who don't go to the hospital, or who just get what they think is a bad cold.
	turns out it was coronavirus, but they just got a small dose or any of these sort of things.
	I don't mean to step into your wheelhouse.
	I just don't want people to think, oh no, I've got a cough.
	I've got a one in five chance of dying.
	I know you're not saying that, but I just want to make that really clear.
	Yeah, and I would just try and emphasize that point again, that we are just talking about the case closed metric, not the population at large.
	But If you get a diagnosis, the doctor, if he's any good, is going to sit down with you and explain these figures to you.
	I don't know. Do you want the doctor to tell you in Japan?
	You can go to the doctors and there's a thing on there where you want to know if you have cancer or not.
	You can tick it if you want to know or not.
	And you can avoid the diagnosis and sort of carry on in your merry way without any sort of...
	Safe in the knowledge that perhaps you didn't have it, right?
	It's becoming a sort of game of chance, right, or roulette each time you go to the hospital.
	So somebody has written here, and it's an important thing to address because I do see this a lot.
	And if you want to take a swing at it, I have a couple of thoughts about it too.
	But somebody wrote here, Gen Z Philosophy, wrote, in New Hampshire, there are 144 recoveries and only seven deaths.
	So this, what we're talking about, doesn't take into account all the people who have had the disease without getting tested and recovered.
	This is fear porn.
	And I guess about the worst porn on the internet.
	So do you have any thoughts as to that ratio, of course, being very different from the worldwide ratio that we were just talking about?
	Just that it's still early days.
	I'm literally just speaking towards the data as how you would approach it or how I would approach it if I wanted to publish data.
	So the closed cases is the best statistical measure that you have because of the numbers involved.
	It's already a large number.
	Once you hit 100,000 cases, The patterns are generally set at a population level anyway.
	A million cases is even better, and so on and so forth.
	Yeah, there's just, there's too many unknowns.
	And the problem is that there's what I would argue is the neural component to the disorder, which people are not taking into account.
	And so there could be people literally shutting down.
	So what I found in my own personal research It's that you can manipulate these very deep nuclei in the basal ganglia and you can have an awake healthy monkey one minute and essentially the animal is gone seconds to minutes later and there's nothing you can do in such situations and there appears to be And I can come back another time and we can start grubbing through the weeds with respect to some of the people that have been lost.
	And there was one key individual who was tied to, I want to say, the Canadian Institute who was working in Africa.
	But he'd received a procedure called deep brain stimulation for alcoholism.
	OK, and this is a very experimental approach in medicine right now because you're dealing with these circuits involved in choice and addiction behaviours and basically it seems to help in that regard.
	But it's stimulating the same place that you can induce what, as far as I can tell from the research I've done, is a massive autonomic dysregulation and collapse.
	And literally you stop breathing, right?
	Unless you sort of remember to breathe.
	And I'm guessing the same interruption can happen to the heart.
	We know Like I say, I'd encourage readers to sort of go and look at my research.
	It's all public. You can look at it on ResearchGate.
	And a specific focal epilepsy, because that's basically how I induce the effect that I model, lights up the whole of the basal ganglia, including the hippocampus and, importantly, the amygdala, which is involved in fear.
	And it might just be that An epileptic triggering in those regions is such a shock and jolt to the subject that they do just shut down.
	So we don't know. That number of deaths, we don't know right now in, I can't remember which state they said, Maryland?
	No, this is New Hampshire.
	Yeah, I mean, so a couple of reasons why.
	I mean, I don't know.
	Obviously, it could be that it's a milder strain.
	New Hampshire, of course, the home of the free state project is pretty anti-government.
	So there are a lot of people who would have been skeptical of the mainstream media who would have taken precautions early, in which case it may be that there are fewer infections and certainly fewer stronger infections.
	It's a pretty spread out state.
	It's not as concentrated, obviously not as concentrated as a place like New York City.
	So there's a lot fewer chances for Mass infections and demographically as well, right?
	So we know in America that coronavirus is hitting blacks and Hispanics more and their relatively low population in New Hampshire.
	So like there's six million different reasons.
	And so who knows?
	Who knows, right? I'm just sort of pointing out.
	Have you heard anything about reinfection and contracting multiple strains of COVID? And only what other people have seen themselves.
	And, you know, there's a limit to what my understanding can take us in this current state.
	There must be no limit to your understanding.
	You must answer everything perfectly accurately, no matter what the questions are.
	Okay, sorry. But theoretically, of course, that can happen, right?
	So you get flu each year, or not each year, but multiple times, and that's essentially the same virus, it's just different strains, and The same can happen with bacterial infections.
	It's not something that's outside the realm of credibility to think that and I would say right now it would behove us to pay attention to every bit of data and to treat it right now as a worst case scenario.
	So you operate under the assumption that the case closed statistic is the working metric and you You organize your life accordingly.
	That's what I would speak to.
	That's the limit I could speak to that.
	What are your thoughts about the possibility of vaccines with regards to COVID? Sorry, that's kind of redundant.
	I'm not talking about smallpox.
	Yeah. So it's a very touchy subject, and I would just be honest about what I've done with my children.
	I was always skeptical of the degree to which vaccines had been accumulated, especially in the US, of what they would consider what you had to vaccinate for.
	So when I was growing up, they used to get a Polio and probably German measles, I would guess, and mumps and stuff you had to deal with, chickenpox you had to deal with.
	And so I erred on the side of caution with my children.
	So my first child, who's my daughter, she had basically the Polio, diphtheria and tetanus spread out.
	So those were completed. My middle boy just didn't take the vaccinations very well and he came home drooling from one session and so I just stopped it.
	Our third child was premature and so I just didn't allow any vaccinations.
	Okay. No, sorry.
	What I meant was, what are your thoughts about the possibility of developing any kind of vaccine for coronavirus?
	In the next weeks to months?
	No chance, I would say.
	Unless, you know, there's sort of talk along the jungle vine that, you know, there's already patents for SARS virus.
	I mean, I don't know which variant, but I've heard people speaking about it.
	So, you know, they might be sort of rolling it out and they might say, you know, that they're going to sort of play a sort of brutal game of, you know, if you want to operate within society, you have to get the COVID vaccine.
	I don't know if that's coming or not.
	I would hate to think it is.
	Because there's not been enough testing done yet.
	You have to double and triple blind studies to make sure that they're of scientific validity.
	And then you've also got the issue that vaccine makers are exempt from any sort of litigation.
	And there are sort of secret courts that are held to Yeah, it's going to be a while.
	I mean, this is RNA mutates 100 times more than DNA, and they were never able to come up.
	I'm not putting it in the same category at all, but it is not something that is a snap-your-fingers kind of situation.
	There's no... I mean, obviously, there's no vaccine for the common cold.
	There's like 100 varieties of that, and there is a vaccine for the flu, but it's based upon roll the dice, how do we think it's going to look next year, based upon behaviors of the past.
	So, sorry, just a bit more update on the New Hampshire.
	Did I lose that? Man, that is a fast...
	That is a fast chat. Well, I hope it's being somewhat kind.
	Oh, yes. All seven New Hampshire deaths have been people over 60 with underlying health conditions.
	So seven at 144 makes this disease about 4.85% fatality at the highest estimate.
	So look, I mean, disagree with me all you like, Kevin, of course, right?
	I mean, but to me, this underlying health condition thing, Okay, so what?
	So, okay, so that means if you don't have an underlying health condition, that's great, but it still doesn't alter the fact that COVID killed people.
	So, ah, well, but they also had diabetes.
	It's like, yeah, but that's not the question.
	The question is, would they have died if they didn't get COVID? Right?
	So the death rate is important.
	And just there's not this magic wand that suddenly makes the dead come back to life if you identify underlying conditions.
	I just really wanted to have some compassion for people who have...
	Diabetes, who are overweight, who are old, I mean, they're dying because of this virus to a large degree, and it doesn't alter the death rate.
	It does mean, of course, that you have specific groups that you need to worry about more.
	But okay, so sorry, that's just...
	If there's anything you wanted to add to that, but it just seems to be kind of cold-hearted.
	Well, they were immunocompromised.
	It's like, well, yeah, but they still died.
	I mean, it's still bad, right?
	That's someone's father still, someone's grandfather, grandmother, mother, and...
	You know, I try to...
	I hope that's not COVID. Yeah, I hope it's not COVID attacking their moral centers on the capacity for human empathy.
	I don't know. It's just kind of weird. Okay, so let's...
	Phil Collins?
	No, Phil Collins is not dead.
	So I get these people who come in and try and get me to do fake news.
	Last time it was Rush Limbaugh had died.
	As far as I understand it, I just did a quick search.
	Phil Collins is not dead.
	In fact, nothing! Came in the air for him tonight.
	So... Yeah, I know.
	Oh! Oh! Oh!
	Oh, come on. Bold brother solidarity.
	Except for I Didn't Do It.
	It's a pretty good song catalog.
	All right. So here's...
	I guess let's close off on this question.
	I really do appreciate your time. I know it's late where you are.
	But... What do you think about what people are talking about now?
	And nobody can answer this for sure, right?
	At some point, we're just going to have to take the COVID bullet and hopefully have enough resources and masks and all of that.
	But it's a permanent part of the human landscape now.
	So here's a question from Thomas.
	This is coming through my Discord server.
	When can we safely lift the quarantine mandate for everyone and just have the vulnerable groups outside?
	Self-quarantine.
	Again, I know that's a ridiculous question, but I'm just, it's not a ridiculous question because it's on everyone's mind, but expecting one person to be able to answer that is ridiculous, but what are your thoughts on the subject?
	So I would just say that right now the major target in the West is New York.
	That's the one that's churning out much of the data as far as I can see.
	It doesn't seem to have taken hold as strongly on the other coast of the United States.
	So I would say let's take that as our start and we use what we know about the The patterns of behaviour associated with the disorder.
	And you say, we put a hard quarantine down, except for essential personnel.
	So that means people that still have to maintain infrastructure.
	But any sort of muck job or most sort of office stuff can probably be put on hold for next month.
	Let's just see how it looks.
	If I was in charge of everyone, I would just say, right now, everything stops till we get a handle on these numbers, these figures.
	And if you want to go out and film hospitals and get data, great.
	Let's get that in the public domain.
	Same with the autopsy data.
	That's been few and far between.
	And I can give you the exact reason why, is that the mortuary in the hospital is one of the least sterile places.
	The administrators of the hospital would have made the decision that, well, we've given a diagnosis of COVID, we know it's respiratory pneumonia.
	There's no need to do an autopsy and basically contaminate the back end of the hospital.
	That's the reason I would suggest that we don't have the autopsy data right now.
	So 30 days from now, more autopsy data and basically get the people out right now that We're in place as this came out and made those decisions in the first place that put us here.
	The mask injunction was just a fatal error in my mind.
	Well, and it's one of the few times you can use fatal error and not mean it allegorically.
	It literally was a fatal error.
	You know, it just reminded me now that you're talking about data and so on, that I've missed the Britishism of not having a tea.
	Maybe I can email you a tea for the next one.
	But you're like this YouTuber, Sniperwolf, this deep cleavage-based life form who makes a living off...
	No glottal stops.
	All right. So, listen, I really, really do appreciate your time.
	I will put a link to your YouTube channel and your research on ResearchGate.
	Do you mind if we end with a little bit of lightness?
	Because, you know, it's a bit of a dire subject.
	So this actually did make me smile.
	And, you know, we need to get our shites and giggles in where we can during this time of difficulty.
	And this was a...
	We'll just end with this.
	Laugh out loud. I was coughing and had massive diarrhea, says a listener, two weeks ago.
	Turns out it was just allergies and my wife's attempt at making Mexican food.
	I really, really... Want to go back to restaurants?
	Well, I think we can all appreciate that particular sentiment.
	So thank you again, Dr.
	McCairn. A great pleasure to chat with you, and I appreciate the questions from the audience.
	Please go and check out his work and his YouTube channel, which, again, I will link to below.
	And I'm naturally, of course, never going to find a graceful way to end these live streams because we're multi-streaming, which means that people get to watch me fidget and stare at the screen afterwards, or I get cut off ahead of time.
	One of the two, but there's never anything in between.
	All right. So thanks again. Appreciate it.
	And we'll talk again, I hope. Yep.

▲