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March 11, 2020 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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All right. There it is!
Click off the microphone.
I'm on. Oh, you're on.
Sounds good. You're on. How you doing, brothers?
Amazing. You're talking to Dick Masterson and Sean, the audio engineer.
Stefan, I'm a big fan.
I think I've been a subscriber to Free Domain Radio for like five or six years.
Is that right? Since I first found you out.
I'll be down. Before Trump, when you...
You know, if you've got Dick and Sean, you should just call yourself the Brazilian waxes or something like that.
I just think of a sheep and a testicle.
But anyway, that could just be me.
What's the Sean? What's the Sean reference?
Sean, as in you Sean the sheep.
Oh, Sean, yeah. It's a word play.
I love it. I've had 16 cuts of coffee to prepare for a comedy show.
I'm good to go. We are not.
We lost an hour. Famous philosopher.
You are an expert on eggs.
That is true. It's a funny thing, right?
So for those who don't know, like I put this tweet out a little while ago saying, hey, you know, Taylor Swift's just turning 30 and there is a little time slices that you get from people, right?
Yeah. And I was pointing out, you know, 90% of her eggs are dead.
I hope she thinks about having kids before it's too late.
I think she'd be a fine mom. I knew that was a time of eggs.
Reminder of the passage of time.
And I was just watching a documentary on her last night and one of her friends says, you know, you'd be an excellent mom.
And she's like, thanks. And you know what didn't happen?
Was Twitter ninjas coming in through the window to set fire to her apartment because she happened to mention something about the passage of time and female fertility.
My God. It's brilliant.
It's crazy! The reaction to just that was so insane.
It's like at any moment, anyone on Twitter can be everyone's dad, and they're all so angry at their dad.
You might want to think about having kids like you're 30.
This should be part of your mental calculus.
Well, yeah, but it goes deep, baby.
Deep. Should we plumb the depths of how deep this goes?
Absolutely. There's so many things I want to talk to you about.
Number one... Well, I'm here for the duration, so...
Amazing. Okay, so it goes deep because the big question is, how do you get people interested in you?
Well, you know, you guys are up there doing comedy and very funny, by the way.
Thank you. And so how do you get people interested in you?
You know, like, we're all these, like, thumb portraits in the back of a Monet painting or, like, distance extras in a Brad Pitt movie, and, hey, me, hey, me, how do you get people interested in you?
For women, they have the nuclear option, which is to load up and fire the V-bomb at a guy, right, to offer him sex.
And so that's, you know, for women, you know, you know, the old cliche, like a guy playing a video game and streaming is just a neckbeard living in his mom's basement.
But a woman in a low cup top is a goddess who must be plied with massive amounts of money.
And men will eventually end up drinking her bathwater for reasons that escape me.
We had that guy on here.
Women have the V-bomb. We don't have the V-bomb.
You know, we have the, oh man, I got to go out and make some money and make something of myself and develop my wit or my charm or do so many sit-ups, I end up looking like an overused pair of children's scissors.
I mean, it's just ridiculous how much work men have to do, whereas women are just like, tops off!
You know, you and I do a protest about something and we show up shirtless and people are like, man boobs!
But women do it on the Westminster Bridge or London Bridge at the moment.
It's like, I thought that bridge came with a lot more supports because they're I'm good with that.
I don't want any more than that.
People shit on women taking their tops off to protest, but I'm like, look, I don't want to hear arguments.
I'm not really an argument guy.
Just match all the women on both sides up with their tits out and let my dick be the judge.
Yeah, my next book is going to be a picture of topless women protesting and saying, not an argument, but not bad.
And that's actually something to keep...
So for women, if you take away the V-bomb, right?
In other words, if you take away just sexual access, what do they have to bring to the table?
Now, of course, in a sane universe, a lot of women bring a lot of wonderful things to the table.
But if you're sort of saying to men, ah, you know, you should really start thinking about settling down with a woman who can be the mother of your children...
Then, you know, the tatted-up goth queen who's very, very exciting but, you know, also is going to take you for a Thelma and Louise-style ride off a cliff suddenly doesn't seem so high in the sexual market value category.
And so if you start messing with people's sexual market value, they get really, really angry.
And if you've been dabbling in hanging out with or hanging dangling sexual access in front of Men to have value in the dating market and someone starts talking about motherhood and parenting and children and so on.
I mean, men really reorient away from that stuff and those women end up kind of out in the cold and they don't seem to take it very well.
No, they don't. It's like every woman that sees themselves in the Taylor Swift model or tries to follow in her footsteps seems so deeply offended by it.
The offense is sad to see.
One woman deciding whether or not to have kids, I don't care, but people getting so angry about it.
Your anger only affects you.
Right. Stefan Molyneux knows what he's talking about.
He already has decided what he's talking about.
You're not changing his mind by freaking out like this.
You're driving yourself nuts.
Yeah. Well, I mean, look, comedians have this, too.
I remember seeing a comedian a long time ago in a pretty dingy club in a suburb of Toronto called Mississauga.
And the comedian, in a sort of moment of, oh Lord, time is passing, is like, yeah, I thought I'd have a TV show by now.
But what I'm actually doing is talking to half a dozen people in a CD club in the middle of nowhere.
And everybody gets these flashes of time passing.
How's my life going? You know, the hurly-burly of the everyday is so distracting.
Every now and then you're going to get this zoom out moment where you say, okay...
In the big arc of my life.
And you connect to when you were a kid and you had some fantasy or some idea of how your life was going to go in the future.
And you get a big astronaut or a cowboy or a fireman or something like that.
And you get these flashes of where is my life in the big picture.
And that precipitates a suicide.
Because that is too late to fix it.
Yeah. But I try to deliver these flashpoints to people, to yank them out of the everyday, to give them that big picture so that they don't end up with this decaying orbit of a life that crashes into nothingness way too soon.
I mean, it's the Einstein's- It's a public service.
What is Einstein's quote on compounding interest?
It's the strongest force in the universe is compounding interest.
But I know exactly what you're talking about.
I try to do the same thing because the little changes you can make when you're young are just so much more valuable than the changes you can make when you're sure that you should make them in your 30s.
Sadly, yeah.
Yeah, we've been getting into that recently on this show because we're having our 200th episode soon.
How old are you guys? I'm 42.
I'm 39. And how's your life arc going?
Terrible. Mine's going better than Sean's.
Okay, let's talk about that. Let's bring out all the disasters in a comedy show that we possibly get.
I think mine's going great.
No, I'm doing alright.
You're doing alright?
Yeah. Everything's in the right direction.
It's moving in the right direction.
I'm doom and gloom all the time.
I gotta start seriously thinking about having kids.
That's the one thing.
I'm happy about the way my career has gone.
Wait, wait. Is this the 39 or the 42-year-old?
All you white people sound the same to me.
I know. I'm 39. This is the 39-year-old talking.
Right. I'm the sidekick.
You've got to start thinking about having kids?
Yeah. I knew you were going to say that.
It's only been 20 years of fertility.
I mean, what's the rush? Yeah.
Yeah, I'm towards the sunset on that, aren't I? Are you in a relationship?
Yes, I am. I have a girlfriend.
How long have we been dating?
Three years? Five years?
I think Stefan's about to tell me off.
You know, if you can't tell the years apart, it's because you haven't had kids yet.
Things are a little bit of a blur, right?
Yeah, that's true. And how old is your partner?
Younger than me. Good.
Well, assuming that she's within a stone's throw of your years, you gotta get off the pot and just get moving, man.
In fact, I don't even care if you take three minutes out of the show.
That's totally fine with me. Just do it.
Knock it out right now. For him to hang up with this phone and know that maybe you have impregnated your girlfriend will be a good day for Stefan.
That is live radio, man.
It's like I did a show once where a guy got arrested during the middle of the show.
And this would top that, just in terms of we actually have impregnation occurring in the show.
I think I could host the show while doing it.
I had my balls filled with saline.
I had a liter of saline injected into my scrotum to fill them up by a furry.
And I was able to somewhat host the show.
Yeah? Yeah. Can we just back that up for a moment?
I just want to make sure I got that statement down correctly because I'm not sure if you just broke into fluent Klingon and said something sane there, but what the hell was that about a furry?
Honestly, I highly recommend it.
I have been very upfront, a big promoter of this procedure.
Stefan, you have got to try it.
You will never feel the same after pumping a half liter of saline into your scrotum.
You will walk around with a...
It's not permanent. It's like a two-day high of having a ball sack that is larger than life.
Well, that's also just called being a philosopher online.
Yeah. Hey, if you need...
If you need outside accessories to achieve what I achieve just by getting out of bed, more power to you.
Well, what's your life arc been like?
Well, how's your... Philosophy seems like insane.
How old are you? What age are you?
I'm 53. Are you really?
I really am. You sound a lot younger.
How old do you sound? He sounds like he's in his 30s or something.
Well, I've got a little Mickey Mouse filter on the mic, so...
Gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I actually sound like a combination of Barry White and the Crypt Keeper in general, but I'm trying to youth it up for your audience.
How has your arc been as a philosopher?
You're the creator, the coiner of the not an argument.
That's not an argument.
Which is...
It's like...
It's so valuable mentally.
It has been so valuable to me.
The first time I ever heard you say, that's not an argument.
Like, that's not an argument. It's just dismissed immediately.
And you say it so many times because people seem to be fundamentally unable to create an argument.
Especially online.
Especially with anybody you talk to online.
But even one-on-one with people.
You just sit there and they start...
Reacting. Screaming.
Getting emotional. And in my mind, I've got the little Molyneux totem in Inception just going, that's not an argument.
You don't have to explain to them.
You don't have to answer that shit because it's not an argument.
But then, do you have to explain to them why it's not an argument?
That's where you get sucked in.
I don't know. Can you talk about that, Stefan?
Because I love it. It's been very valuable to me and I think a lot of other people.
And it's so satisfying to just tell somebody to fuck off.
That's not an argument. Well, okay.
So, I mean, to some degree it comes out of parenting, right?
So, when you have kids...
You have to be mindlessly enthusiastic in the beginning, right?
And this generally, like, the maternal phase, and women are generally better at this, you know, like, yay, good job, you know?
You're walking, excellent, right?
And so this mindless, cheerleading enthusiasm is really great.
Now, unfortunately, we, as a society, have turned over the education of our children to women, pretty much, for the most part, certainly up until...
Now I know why he's on the dick show.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So what's happened is you've got this mindless boosterism where everyone gets a trophy and it's yay everyone.
And women have a very tough time saying, that sucks.
You missed. You ran slowly.
You didn't practice. You aren't prepared.
You didn't do a good job.
Now, men, we have to, godfather style, we have to take things a little bit more seriously out here in the world where really, really bad things can happen to people who make mistakes.
We don't have the pussy pass.
We don't have the soft place to land.
Generally, we have too much pride to sit on the welfare state and have children.
So we have this whole generation of people who've grown up thinking that they know how to debate, they know what truth is, they know how to arrive at a valid conclusion.
Yes.
And when you're a kid and you're running and you're kicking your first soccer ball, your parents are like, "Yay, good kick, good job," and so on.
Even if you stand on the ball and fall on your butt, they want to be enthusiastic.
But then if you want to be a soccer player, at some point, you've got to get that whiskey-chugging, tobacco-chewing coach who just says, you suck.
Yeah, you ain't got it. You missed!
You missed. You tripped on the ball.
Get up and try it again. And do your damn drills because you're not getting any faster, kid.
And we're so, I don't know, we've been weakened so much by all of this boosterism that what I want to point out to people is you think you took a shot but you missed.
Yeah, it is really...
I'm really emotional about it, so I'm right.
You get trained... Kids get trained into thinking that they're having, like, actual conversations.
Like, I go back to school, high school, school, you're writing these papers that are just indecipherable garbage.
You're talking about the same text every single year, making nonsensical points about them, but the entire time you're being told that the way you think is good.
And that college is important for critical thinking.
Therefore, if I win, I'm capable of critical thinking.
Yeah, as opposed to, yeah.
It's turned into a point where your social credit is how well you can clown on somebody else and argue and look smart.
But it's all just, it's nonsense.
Like, you've got people who have absolutely no ability to summarize your argument or even make a coherent argument against it.
Yeah, I blame women too.
Well, I mean, not women in particular.
It's a whole messed up system.
But I really just want people to understand that there's so many wonderful things to learn in life that you're not going to learn if you think you already know shit.
No shit. Yeah.
Like you just – people don't know how much they don't know.
And it's really tragic to see just – People's interactions online and I had a debate with this pretty aggressive communist last night where I'm basically like, hey man, you want to put me into the ground.
You want to put my family in the ground.
And we got into it pretty hard.
And he was strawmanning me like crazy.
I actually at one point had to ask him to just repeat back to me the argument I just made.
It was like 20 seconds long.
Just repeat it back to me without strawmanning, without injecting your own garbage into it.
Just say the words.
I can argue pro-communism.
I can argue pro-fascism, things I disagree with.
You've got to know the other person's standpoint and you've got to accurately reproduce their arguments.
Otherwise, it's not a fencing match.
You're just knocking over something in the kitchen and calling yourself Zorro.
Well, because people are afraid to even go there, I think.
To even attempt to understand somebody else's argument.
I agree. So they don't listen.
They just wait for their turn to yell.
But you're right. People don't know what they don't know.
And it's such a limiting way to go through life.
Well, here's the real tragedy, too.
So you think of somebody who's not like a kid anymore, like maybe sort of mid-late 20s or whatever and onwards.
And they're out there, you know, stroffing and huffing and puffing and thinking that they're knocking over all of these arguments and so on.
And they're not. And what that tells you is that they're surrounded by people who put up with the most inane bullshit that can be imagined.
Sure. And never call them out on anything.
It's like that big fish in the little pond scenario.
I get into lots of arguments with people who are probably the smartest person in their little tiny town.
Right. And then they get into the big leagues and it's like they're just completely unprepared.
And it's because of the social situation.
If you realize that you're full of shit, then you have to realize that everyone around you has either not seen that you're full of shit or has seen it and has never called you out on it.
This calls your entire social circle, your family, your entire environment into question.
So people aren't so much avoiding me or arguments.
They're avoiding finding out just how garbage strewn their social and familial relationships generally are.
This is true.
Like the flat earth guys.
It has to be true or else their entire social network is gone.
Yeah. Right, right.
If one piece gets pulled out of the Jenga tower, it all comes down and it's...
Sivan, were you getting bothered to debate Destiny?
You brought up debates. I think I heard about that from Ethan Ralph and the Ralph Retort that you were...
Asked to debate Destiny or something like that.
Do you remember that? Yeah, so we batted the idea back and forth a little bit, but he's a little bit on the pro-violence side as far as I understand it, and that's not a particularly good place to start debating from.
That's true, yep. He did say that...
I mean, is that an unfair way to characterize it?
No, it's not. He did say that it's time to...
He's not taking it off the table.
Political violence. I've gotten into a screaming match with him that I think was embarrassing for both sides.
Precisely because I am not interested in looking intelligent or arguing intelligently with people.
Especially when I know that they are not arguing in good faith.
That they're taking everything you're saying, trying to twist it to be something they can argue with.
Or just not even bothering to understand you.
I really hate that shit.
Well, it's team stuff.
If it's your team versus their team, nobody thinks that a sports team is a battle of moral absolutes.
It's just red team versus blue team or something like that.
It's just like me. If it's a team-based thing, and when we were batting around topics, he just was kind of indifferent and offensive, and I'm just like, eh, it just doesn't seem particularly inviting.
Yeah. I did a debate with Matt McManus recently, who was calling me out on Twitter, and I challenged him to a debate, and we had a really productive...
It was a sort of one-on-one turned into a two-on-one because the moderator was on his side.
And then I just did one last night with the editor and publisher of Zero Books, who's a Marxist.
So, you know, I'm keen to do debates.
I really do enjoy it.
But, you know, I think people have to have some level of capacity to have a debate in order for it to be worthwhile.
Yeah. What do you think about the rise of Marxism in the U.S. specifically?
My thinking on it is people have no sense of potential.
There's no feeling like they can make anything for themselves.
And they're kind of right.
They're kind of right that the future of their labor has already been sold due to monetary policy and corporate bailouts.
It's very different than it was 100 years ago or 50 years ago.
If I talk about it, I sound like a communist.
So I can't look at all the Bernie bros or the people looking for Hannah and say you're wrong because I don't think they are.
But I also don't know what to do about it.
What do you think?
What are your thoughts on that?
The rise of Marxism in general?
Like it is an evil ideology.
I think you would agree with that.
But I also don't know how to tell them that they're wrong.
That's my question.
Big, big question. So the answer is that more of the same isn't going to work.
It's just, it's not going to work.
Now, people think that communism is something like down the road, something that is going to happen in the future, something that is being proposed by, you know, that guy who combs his hair with a helium balloon.
And so it's not the case.
And the West has largely been already implemented.
There's no doubt about that.
I mean, when you look at what the communists want, they want a huge graduated income tax.
Well, that's already been achieved. They want government control of currency.
Well, that's already been achieved. They want government control of education.
That's already been achieved. They want government control of health care.
That's been achieved in most of the West, and about half of it's been achieved in America.
The government spends over 40 cents on the dollar on health care.
So when you look at the Communist Manifesto, I mean, this is not something looming ahead.
This is like something which was 10 speed bumps in the rear view.
So if people don't like the system that is, and God knows there's 6 million reasons not to love the system and to hate it vociferously, then saying, well, the answer is communism.
It's like, no, no, no, no, that's how we got here.
That's how we got here.
I was listening to you guys talk about student debt and student loans and so on.
I mean, these fucking Marxists in college, like the professors and all of that, Jesus, I mean, they talk about sympathy for the working class.
We care about the working class.
We care about the proletariat.
And basically, they lie impressionable young people into taking on massive debt so that they can be programmed with Marxist cliches to hate the society they live in that might give them any chance of advancement.
I mean, they're really like a bunch of vampires preying upon...
You've got the baby boomers who are so desperate to prop up the value of their real estate that they're willing to cheer and champion mass immigration into a country which is really destabilizing most Western countries.
And you can't tell them anything.
The boomers just know everything about what's right and what's wrong and they won't hear anything else.
And they think it's funny. They think printing money is funny.
Like they really do think that the quantitative easing policies of the Fed are funny.
Yeah, or the bailouts or the endless warrants.
They just put money in the system trading IOUs.
It's all communist or central government, big government, totalitarian systems.
And so when I talk to young people, I'm like, you think communism is the solution?
Communism is how you got here.
You know, it's like somebody half coughing up a lung because they'd be in a pack a day smoker for 20 years saying, you know what?
Maybe smoking and cigars is the way forward.
I'm just going to push through this shit and I'm just going to emerge on the other side a youthful Bruce Jenner, you know, without that weird story.
Maybe it's the flu and coronavirus is the answer.
That's what we need. Right. We'll be invincible.
That's true. Coronavirus, man, is going to lower some real estate prices.
You want to short some real estate, that might not be the bad time to do it.
It's crazy. I think the Fed's going to start buying stocks, too.
I think they're going to get congressional approval to just 100% manipulate the price of the stock market.
How else do you beat Bitcoin?
How else can you dig deeper than negative interest rates, other than using imaginary money to buy stocks?
Can you imagine how sad a show you'd have to be if you had to pay people to watch it?
Yo, I would be the Young Turks!
That's how every band is in LA. That's the Young Turks!
They just entirely exist on corporate subsidies.
Anyway... So you, Stefan, you have this remarkable ability on Twitter to say some of the most outrageous shit about IQ and demographics and not get banned for it.
And I would love to know your secret because I can't say shit without getting accounts deleted.
Well, he does it with an accent. I mean...
And this is what I said.
Don't shoot the messenger. That's a ridiculous thing to do, right?
I've talked to, I think, 18 world experts from the left and the right and people who aren't even political about the basic science of human intelligence and varieties and all of that.
And it's an important conversation.
And so, you know, when people get mad at me, it's like, you know, hey, I'm just a message boy here.
You know, it's like getting mad at the person who delivers a bill to you.
Like, hey, man, you're charging me.
He's like, nope, just delivering the bill.
When I bring these conversations to bear on essential social and political issues, it's like, yeah, well, people can get mad at me, but that's like getting mad because it's raining.
It's just a fact of reality.
It's a fact of life. It's a fact of science.
It's funny because the left gets more mad at it, and they're supposed to be the party of science who just look down on all these primitive people who think that human beings coexisted with dinosaurs.
There's certainly hypocrisy there.
The real science deniers are on the left these days.
Why is climate science somehow more valid than all the IQ science?
Well, I mean, I don't know, but Stefan might.
You're talking in regards to other human beings versus, you know what I mean, nature or something without feelings.
There's numbers. No, no, climate science is very much human beings.
I mean, if Yeah.
Yeah. What do you...
How do you defend IQ science?
Because I find... I found myself in that position before.
Even bringing up IQ makes people pissed off.
They get pissed. They get pre-pissed off of the thought of it existing.
Yeah. Like it's a credit score for their worth as a human being because it kind of is.
Well... It's just a...
That's it. That's my answer.
Let's move on. So...
It's not worth as a human being.
Look, we all understand that there are incredibly productive people in every field.
You know, you've got Magic Johnson, you've got Freddie Mercury, you've got Elon Musk, you've got Steve Jobs.
I mean, there are just incredibly productive people in every field.
And they're really, really important to having the modern world.
I mean, no Tesla, no Edison, no Bell and so on.
Yeah, arguably it's a lot delayed or there's no modern world.
So we fully understand these people.
And, you know, these people who say, well, we're all the same, they're going to pay 600 bucks for a fucking pair of Taylor Swift tickets.
It's like, why? If we're all the same, why don't you just do karaoke at home and charge 600 bucks, right?
So everyone understands that there are these differences, but it's not about human worth at all.
No, I agree with you. People who have less IQ, they're not...
They're exactly the same rights, same opportunity, same reality, same the human.
There's nothing in terms of better or worse.
Somebody who's a great singer is not a more moral or valuable human being in an existential sense than someone who can't string two tunes together without sounding like William Hung.
So this idea that somehow you get paid more, generally, if you get paid more if you have a higher IQ. I mean, there's lots of exceptions, but that's just, so what?
You get paid more in the music industry.
You get paid more if you can write great songs or if you're a great singer.
Being a great singer has a lot to do with your genetics.
So you're just born with a great voice and then you can train it to make it even better.
But we all understand that there's differences in value.
But just because someone makes more money than you doesn't make them a better human being.
It doesn't make them more moral.
It doesn't make them... More valuable in a sort of moral or whatever sense.
And a lot of people who make a lot of money, man, I've spent some time around some money people.
There's a lot of miserable people out there who've worked their 80 hours a week, burned through three marriages, don't see their kids, have ulcers, and they're wealthy.
And it's like, okay, but if you just look at the money, then you're like, oh, envy, envy, destroy, destroy.
But you've got to look at the big picture.
It's not a well-rounded life some of the time.
Yeah, I grew up poor.
And so I had a lot of low-rent jobs, which were great at the time.
I worked as a waiter. I worked cleaning offices.
I worked as a temp, and I had a paper route and all this kind of stuff.
And man, the people who worked the line, the people who were the, quote, workers, right, they looked on the boss with a peculiar kind of pity.
Because we'd all be like the end of the shift, the waiter, as a waiter, like Pizza Hut, I worked at Pizza Hut, I worked at Switzerland and so on.
We'd all go out and have something to drink or we'd go out and have a coffee or whatever.
And the manager would sort of be stuck in this dingy, fluorescent, flickering back room with these piles of paper just going through bills and invoices and payrolling.
Water dripping from the ceiling.
Be like, man, that sucks.
You know, I wouldn't want to be that guy.
You couldn't pay me to be that guy.
And everyone just makes their choices.
And there's nothing wrong. If you want to be the boss and you want to work extra hard to be the boss, fantastic.
If you want to just work to live and go bowling at night and leave your work behind you and don't have emails popping up at 3 a.m.
in the morning on a Sunday, that's fine too.
But so people just understand, be happy with your choices.
And the fact that smart people can make a lot of money is really great for people.
I mean, how much employment has Steve Jobs given people?
How much employment has Tesla given people?
How much employment has Jeff Bezos given people?
People say, oh, we get really, really mad at Jeff Bezos.
I was chatting with a friend of mine who was telling me that he was an intern.
At Amazon. Do you know what he got paid as an intern?
$100,000.
Man, you interned at the New York Times, you get nothing.
In New York, of all places.
So Jeff Bezos has made a huge number of people, wealthy, good, you know, fantastic.
That's wonderful. Why should we get so mad?
Yeah, it's this guttural reaction to it.
Even suggesting that there is such a number.
Even suggesting that IQ is valid.
People have this visceral, angry reaction to it.
And I don't know. These are things that I don't know how we can change.
If you have, what are your thoughts on what we can do to unwind some of this stuff?
Because there's just like, I have zero hope.
I don't think it can be fixed at all.
I think the country is going to continue to decline and I'm just going to buy more Bitcoin and tell people to do it.
I can't see a way forward where you can explain to people logically.
I feel exactly Exactly the same way.
Where you can tell elementary school teachers, like, you gotta teach these kids something different than what you're doing.
Like, you gotta change something, but I don't see a way forward through it.
And like Stefan said, it's not an indictment of you as a human being.
Yeah. And it's not even...
It's just there...
Somewhere along the line, different became bad.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Those words...
Well, no. Again, I don't mean to sort of sound like Joe McCarthy seeing communists in the jam, but IQ as an explanatory factor as to why there are different wealth categories in society...
Is directly in opposition to the Marxist lie, right?
So the Marxists say, well, why is that guy rich?
Well, he's rich, you see, because he's an evil scumbag who stole from you and stole from your family and inflicted smallpox on your ancestors.
And so they whip up this class resentment and this rage.
And I just did this whole documentary on Hong Kong with the history of China and all that.
People should look for it if they can find it.
It's kind of buried, unfortunately, under Google and YouTube, but they can go to freedomain.com.
Just click on documentaries. It's right there.
And so when you have a competing explanation, they're going to be at war with each other.
So the answer as to why some people get very wealthy and some people don't is largely related to IQ. Now, IQ is only 80% genetic.
So you got 20% to work with, which is one of the areas I love to work in.
And I'd rather be wise than smart.
And that's why I work and you guys work to bring some wisdom to the planet, right?
But when you say to people, the answer to wealth disparity generally has to do with IQ, and yeah, there's some conscientiousness, there's some work ethic, there's some choice in there, so you don't have to just sit and be with what you're given.
But if you can get people to understand that IQ has a lot to do with wealth disparity, then the communists have no fertile ground in which to sow their seeds of destruction.
Because you can then say, like, I don't sit there, I don't know, Michael Bublé, some great singer, right?
I don't sit there and say, man, Michael Buble, he's only able to do those concerts because he stole my singing voice.
You know, like, I mean, that's not what happened.
He's a better singer than I am.
So he gets to have a concert and all of that.
Right.
So if you can get people to understand that there are some people just born very smart people.
And look, there's a lot you can do with your intelligence.
I'm not a determinist that way.
And we should sit back, admire, and enjoy the fact that they're able to create such wealth and create jobs and create great services and make the rest of us wealthier.
Fantastic. But the Marxists come along and say, no, no, no, no.
It's exploitation. It's evil.
It's meanness. It's viciousness.
They stole from you. And it's a war of accepting reality and finding peace or rejecting reality and us all going down in a shit show of revolution and murder.
But the brain is an abstract thing to people.
It's not, oh, he's taller than him.
He's faster than him.
He's stronger than him. So it becomes, people want to poke holes in that.
I got street smarts. I'm from New York.
People want to poke holes in that all the time.
IQ don't mean shit. There are physiological differences in everybody.
It's the fight and the dog. Like, no, motherfucker! It's the size of the dog in the fight!
Are you stupid? You're gonna throw a chihuahua in there and get some pit bull?
Yeah, good luck! You don't fucking think, McFly!
It's the size of the dog, bitch!
It's like all these memes and rhymes we've created to compensate for this fear of not being adequate.
Because we're not! Okay, so let me just give the last little bit here, which is the solution, right?
I can see why you guys are a little hesitant about having kids if you feel like we're on the end times here.
Yes! No, that is really why.
Let's have a child, right? It's really why.
No, I get it. Okay, but listen, so have you guys ever had like a really meaty phobia?
Like commitment? No, no, nothing that dicknapped.
No, something like, I don't know, heights or snakes or spiders or dwarves or whatever it is, right?
I don't like spiders.
Dr. Phil asked me the same thing and I said heights.
I mean, like a fear that you're paralyzed when confronted with it.
I don't think I have anything like that, but I'm not a huge fan of heights.
What's your biggest hiccup mentally then?
If it's not a phobia.
Everyone has something that stands in their way.
Oh, I have out of control alcoholism.
There's that. I have crippling self-doubt.
You have a phobia of being sober.
Yes, I have a terrible phobia of being sober.
I can't do it for more than three days.
He doesn't want to see the world as it really is.
Right. Okay, alright.
So, the way that you would hopefully get over that phobia of sobriety...
is that you would progressively decline your alcohol consumption because, you know, like quitting cold turkey and getting the DTs is all kinds of not fun, right?
It's the same thing if somebody is afraid of spiders, like really afraid of spiders.
Like they can't sleep if they hear a tree brushing up against their window because they think it's some Shelob-sized Armageddon death spider about to suck out their innards.
Then what you do is you have them look at a picture of a spider and their adrenaline is going to spike and their fight or flight is going to kick in.
And then, you know, they get used to that and then you show them a spider at a distance in a box, right?
And then you move the box closer.
This is progressive exposure, right?
Then you open the box and then you have them touch the spider and eventually, like bit by bit, they will be able to have that spider on their hand full on 007 Sean McConaughey style crawling up his tits, right?
And so progressive exposure is the way to go now.
Now, Twitter is an incredible mechanism.
This is a giant psychological experiment on the planet.
It's an incredible mechanism for progressive exposure.
And I guess I mean both progressive exposure to phobia and relinquishing it, but also exposure to progressives of actual scientific facts, which apparently they're allergic to.
What happens is people see a tweet about women's fertility or about eggs or about men's rights or whatever, and the first time they're like, triggered, right?
But then they'll see it again.
Now, you can't maintain it the same way, and you get this progressive diminishment of the triggering of what's going on, right?
Now, this should have all been done when they were kids, so they're better at things and so on.
But there's this amazing thing that we have because the mainstream media used to keep all of this stuff at bay.
And then people would, the moment they saw it, they'd be triggered and they'd never have a chance to diminish that trigger response, that rage response, that fight or flight response.
But with Twitter, with other social media platforms, you can introduce ideas.
People can freak out.
They can freak out a little bit next time and after a while, they can actually absorb a fact or two without shitting themselves.
I mean that – like the – even though everybody still hates Trump, all of his wall rhetoric that was so outrageous and offensive at the beginning, it's weird.
It's like, oh, that's status quo.
We're used to that. Now we're arguing about the size of it.
You know what I mean? Like, oh, well, he hasn't actually built it yet.
Like, okay, so you're on board with the idea now.
Or you just have stuff getting excited about it.
It's the size of the dog in the wall, Dick.
Well, but Trump also has a genius for magically excavating secret thoughts and putting them front and center.
Like, he won the presidency to me in that first debate.
Where not only was the great line about Rosie O'Donnell, but he said, listen, we don't have time for political correctness anymore.
And everybody has thought that.
Come on, we all know that this is so boring.
It's such a limited... I thought about this when I'm coming on this podcast.
I'm like, oh, great. I'm coming on a podcast with comedians.
So that means I'm either desperately unfunny and dull, or I'm going to say stuff that people are going to take out of context and use to attack me on Wikipedia or whatever it is, right?
There's a worse one. You're too funny.
Because he was talking about...
Let's just start dealing with actual facts rather than hysterically reacting in a way that we've been programmed to by some very malevolent people.
And he's constantly doing that.
He's constantly doing that. Even when he had this coarse comment about, you know, women will let you grab them by the pussy if you're rich and famous.
It's like, hello! Ever heard of a groupie?
I mean, everybody knows this, that there's a certain class of women like that.
And he just brings these things to the forefront and eventually people are like, you know what?
This actually kind of reminds me of a conversation I had last week with someone, but I would Never tell anyone.
So there's this faux outrage out front, but deep down in back, everyone's like, yeah, I get that.
There's a lot of truth to that.
Did we lose him? No, no, I'm still here.
You just were shocked that I didn't have a 20-minute monologue.
I get it. How do you think Trump's doing, by the way?
Overall, what do you grade him on his first term?
Well, so, I mean, politics is the art of the possible, right?
So there is the ideal and there's the campaign rhetoric.
As far as immigration goes, man, it's bad.
It's bad. You know, I mean, there's all of these H1B1 visas.
There's all of these foreign workers coming in and killing American workers.
So as far as immigration goes, he's bad.
As far as manufacturing goes, man, A+. And man, this Kung Flu is going to be really causing all of the countries in the world to start bringing their manufacturing back home.
Funny story! Turns out relying on a foreign dictatorship halfway across the globe wasn't really the best strategy if you want to, I don't know, maintain your delivery of essential medicines or things like that.
So as far as manufacturing goes, it's good.
Yeah, he's not taking on the Fed.
He's not taking on fiat currency.
He's not taking on the national debt.
The spending bills are huge.
But I assume that he's got a plan in his back pocket for after November.
So if he gets in after November and he doesn't have to worry about re-election, unless he goes full FDR and gets three and a half terms or whatever it was, then I think he's going to go full tilt boogie.
I think he's going to go full-tilt boogie on trying to do something to handle the deficit, because this is what's so disappointing and pathetic about the Democrats.
man, you don't need to be a great parent if you just give your kids candy all the time, you know, because they're just going to love you because you're giving them candy and you let them stay up late and they don't have to eat anything good and they don't have to exercise.
They can play video games all day.
Like if you're just giving people what they want in the moment, you don't need a single shred of spying or leadership.
The leadership is required when you've got to march people into battle.
Leadership is required not by someone like Chamberlain who gave in to Hitler, but someone like Churchill who stood up to Hitler.
And so I would like to see from Trump more of a, you know, we've got some really serious shit going on in this country and fixing it ain't going to be pretty, but we all got to pull together to find a way to do it.
And And yeah, that means some old people are going to have to take some shave backs on Social Security because there's no money in the kitty.
It was all spent decades ago.
All that's in the kitty for Social Security is a bunch of dusty IOU treasury bills that are worth nothing.
And so he's got to talk to women and say, look, man, this welfare state is drawing way too many immigrants here who are coming here for free stuff, not freedom.
So I'm sorry that this has been going on for so long, but we've got to shave back on the welfare state.
Otherwise, we're just going to keep attracting more people who are going to bury the economy and change the culture possibly irrevocably.
He's got to start having some tough talk.
He's got to start talking to the CEOs and saying, listen, we're forcing billions and billions of dollars into the stock market to escape the tax, man.
And that is pushing up your profits to the point where any idiot asswipe with a peewee home and business plan can make a fortune.
We've got to change that.
We've got to let people keep more of their own money.
He's got to start asking for sacrifice.
That is the mark of a real leader.
And so far, maybe it's because of the reelection thing.
I don't know.
But you've got all of the Democrats on one side saying, fuck.
Free stuff forever and nothing needs to change and we are magic.
We can produce goods out of our armpits by armpit farting the theme from Jaws or whatever.
And you've got to have someone standing up and saying, like, enough of the kindergarten bullshit.
Like, we've got to have an adult in the house.
An adult means, yeah, we've got some stuff to fix and it's going to take some sacrifices.
And people respond quite well to that stuff if it's phrased right.
I think so, too. I've always thought and said his second term is going to be where he starts actually executing a lot of these ideas because they're going to be so unpalatable.
Well, that's when they don't care anymore.
Like you said, once you're...
You don't have to worry about re-election.
You get in there and you...
You roll your sleeves up and you start ripping out innards.
Yeah. Enough politics.
I wanted to ask you on a personal level.
Do you remember the moment?
Because I've been following you for a long time.
You're a big shot now.
You're on Cernovich's movies.
Twitter household name.
Do you remember when it switched for you?
When you went from this is a dream you're having of being the philosophy guy online to when you became the philosophy guy online?
You're the giant that guys like Destiny and whoever, Matt McCannis, you're the guy they want to slay.
You're the guy that they want to come and base their career on your corpse.
I mean, how long have you been married?
You're married, right? Yeah, my wife and I have been together 18 years, married 17.
And there's got to have been a time where you're thinking in the back of your mind, like, what am I doing?
Am I doing the right move for my wife and my family here?
Like, when did it become your career, I guess is what I'm asking.
From just a guy making videos online.
I remember exactly the moment that it happened where it became a career.
And it's when all possible avenues of escape were cut off.
No one fights as desperately as a cornered animal.
And it was pretty early on into what I was doing when the mainstream media came after me as a cult leader and things like that because I had the audacity to say to people that they didn't have to stay in abusive relationships even if It happened to be their own parents, right?
If they're adults, they don't have to.
You should try and work things out, but they don't have to stay, right?
And so the mainstream media greeted such a, to me, very common sense statement where, oh my God, he's a cult leader who's out there destroying families for fun and profit.
And, you know, once you get a bunch of media articles about you like that, I'm like, well, I guess there's no one going back to the business.
You're painted. You're already painted.
Yeah, you're done. Yeah, like, if you make people I want to say desperate, but if you make people, you paint people into a corner, man, they got to take a stand.
And it's like, okay, so there's, I mean, they actually helped me a lot in terms of commitment.
Because, you know, you guys know what it's like online, you know, often it's a lot of fun, sometimes it's really challenging, sometimes it's downright horrible, you know, it's a roller coaster, right?
And the media, by going after me in such a psychotic manner, It was like, okay, so I guess the world is kind of telling me that it wants me to stay a philosopher.
And then I'm like, okay, I got to dig in.
I got to be strategic about this.
There's no way that I can just rely on any kind of incremental growth.
I've got to really commit.
And I'm the kind of guy that you come at me.
I'm judo, man. I'm going to find some way to use your momentum.
Yeah. Against me.
Against you, right? And so when the media comes at me, I'm like, okay, so there's a split here.
And we were talking about this with regards to the IQ. So there's the experts, there's the professional literature, and then there's like the general idiot Borg brain out there in society that's pablum-fed by the media and academia and Hollywood into believing stuff that is not only wrong, but fundamentally self-destructive.
And so what I did was like, I thought, okay, well...
There's got to be experts out there who are fine with family separations in case of abuse.
So I'm like, okay, I'm going to go talk to those experts, going to get them to come on my show.
Originally, I was just doing monologues, right?
And then I started really, really branching out into doing interviews and grabbing people who had the expertise, who had the skill set, not really so much as a human shield, but just as, you know, again, don't shoot the messenger, right?
No, I saw one of your early interviews where you had a guy on who did IQ studies who was, I think he was fired.
He was basically blackballed from academia.
Oh, that's probably Jason Richwine.
It could have been, I have no idea, but I remember listening to it in the gym.
Yeah. So that really, it kind of caused me, I wouldn't say forced me, although you could kind of put it that way, but it caused me to embed myself more and to be a pipeline from the expertise to the general population.
And this pipeline is really, really powerful, right?
So I go out, because I'm not afraid of knowledge.
I'm not afraid of facts.
I'm a really, really curious person.
I can hear that.
I want the answers.
So I'm going to go and draw it to the experts and I'm going to get all that gold.
I'm going to get all that treasure from the experts.
And then because they usually are propeller heads and they're really, really good at their And they don't want to, like they're the secret cabal of fact holders.
And they don't want to go down into the maelstrom of the general culture, which is full of, you know, some pretty significantly dangerous and destructive elements if you try and bring facts down to bear on them.
The guy who co-discovered DNA, James Watson, had Yeah.
stripped because he happened to talk about IQ and ethnic disparities and so on.
I know!
So I'm like, okay, I'm going to go up to the guard.
I'm going to get the tablets, so to speak.
I know this is Moses, right?
I shaved my beard.
So I'm going to go up to the guards of knowledge.
I'm going to get the facts and I'm going to repurpose and repackage them down for general consumption and And this pipeline between the experts and the general population is something so essential for society.
You know, you don't want to be like the monks in the Middle Ages or the early Middle Ages who had all of this amazing knowledge, but they really kept it to themselves because there was a lot of religious hysteria in Western Europe at the time, and they kind of...
And they just poured over these old texts.
And then it took Martin Luther to come along and, you know, blow this pipeline wide open from the experts to the general population.
And so I view myself very much as like a printing press kind of guy.
I'm going to get the gold from the gods in Mount Olympus and I'm going to just bring it down and give it away in the marketplace.
And that was the moment when I knew that was an important mission that I'm like, OK, this is going to be really controversial, but I don't have any choice because they came at me so hard that there was no retreat that was possible anymore.
And it's like, okay, I'm bearing down, baby.
It's funny how many people are envious of that circumstance exactly.
You hear more often than not that they want to be forced into a situation where they have to fly or die or sink or swim.
It's just interesting that that is essentially your origin story.
It's the same thing that people...
They're always saying...
They're kind of always angling themselves into that doomsday scenario where they would have to pursue their dreams.
It's interesting. I mean, a similar thing happened to this show.
Like, I got blackballed from the LA, the UCB comedy community, the LA comedy community, and it was either this show...
And why was that? About, what, three years ago, Sean?
I suppose. So I had another podcast.
I don't know if you remember this, but I tweeted at you a couple months ago, a guy saying, here's a 40-year-old man with a weird bedspread, a big smiley face.
What do you think about this guy babysitting your kids?
What do you think about this?
I remember that. Yeah, and you said, I'd find a different babysitter.
So I had a podcast with that guy for about two years.
And I started dating an ex-girlfriend of his, secretly.
And his revenge for that was to cancel the podcast, create a video, YouTube video, about how I think women who drink too much and get raped deserve it.
That was his message.
He pulled quotes out of context and implied that this is what I thought.
He released it online, and he's a big guy.
Maddox had 300,000 YouTube followers.
He released it online, and he got destroyed.
People saw right through it.
They're like, that's not what he was saying.
You're being a complete piece of shit to try to paint this guy as a rape apologist, he called it.
So when that didn't work, he took it to his personal community, Which is all comedians in LA. And he released it to them.
Which caused just massive feminist outrage.
People who are failures as comedians and people who are failures as people.
They circle around each other in coffee shops and embrace one another's failure.
And that's their life. They had all day to band together and demand that I be publicly quartered.
Or at least never allowed to perform comedy again.
I lost all of my friends overnight, all business opportunities.
I was on sold-out shows at the theater, which doesn't sound like a big deal, but that's your network.
That's a big deal. No, that's a big success.
It was a big deal to me, so at that moment, it was the very next day, we had a show the very next day, and I was like, alright, this show's all I fucking have.
This show's either gonna be a hit, or I'm fucking done with comedy.
Yep. And I'm going back to being a normal fucking schmo.
Well, but here's the thing, right?
Can you really go back to being a normal schmo if you're like, he's a rape apologist, is all over the place, right?
Yeah, exactly. No.
No is the answer.
Yeah, commitment is the muscle that grows through opposition, and I didn't really appreciate that at the time, because, I mean, when you were going through this, and I really am sorry that this happened to you, but when you're going through this, you're like, well, this is bad, right?
This is all these disaster scenarios floating around in your head, but you look back at it in hindsight, I'm like, man, this was a, you know...
It's a very, very important trampoline propulsion mechanism that kind of got me to where I am.
Oh, there's the wisdom part of it.
It's interesting that you say that.
Sorry, it happened to me too because I've never thought about it like that.
I'm sure you've talked about this before, but what was the lessons you learned from your parents?
What are some of the lessons you've learned from your parents?
Kind of a deep question, but man, I think it's just so important the stuff people learn from their parents, especially their dads.
Well, I didn't grow up with my father.
He left when I was a baby.
I did see him intermittently in Ireland and in Africa where he had his career as a geologist.
But I learned a lot.
You can learn a lot from disaster.
And both my parents' lives were not exactly the life that I would choose.
And I have a lot of...
Mental health issues on both sides of my family.
And so for me, it's kind of like, you know, if you grow up and you find out that your, you know, your uncle died of a heart attack and your grandfather died of a heart attack and your father's got heart palpitations and problems, you're like, well, you can take one or two routes, right?
You can either say, well, I'm not long for this world, so I'm going to drink and smoke and party my brains out and die before I'm 40.
Or you can sit there and say, wow, you know, I really have a family tendency towards this kind of ill health.
So I'm going to watch what I eat.
I'm going to exercise. I'm going to get regular checkups.
I'm going to make sure that I do everything I can not to go Down that road.
So the ill health of your family teaches you about how to be healthy and how to live and how to live a long time and live well.
Sean's got a background like you.
Yeah, he's speaking my language.
I mean, he's right on.
I'm the opposite. My mom is mystical.
And so I'm like, okay.
So I sort of see the life arc of mysticism, which is really bad.
Really bad. I mean, people who believe in this otherworldly, higher dimension, ghosts passing through walls, psychic phenomena, the outcome is really, really bad.
And so I'm like, okay, I don't want to do that.
Like, I don't want to go down that road of mysticism and the me-ism of this unreality.
It's like a narcissistic religion of yourself, right?
Because you get all of this.
Mysticism, but you don't have any actual rules that you have to follow.
There's no responsibility. There are no consequences.
You're always right. I'm like, okay, if I have these high octon brains around me, and most of the men in my family on both sides have had significant intellectual achievements, all the way back to one of my ancestors was best friends with John Locke and produced something called the Molyneux Problem, which is debated about and I think was recently settled in philosophy and psychology to this day.
Wow. But I was like, okay, I got a lot of high octon people, but they got a lot of problems.
Yeah. Same with me.
But I really do have a choice about how well I steer this damn thing, because I've seen the smoky smears on the wall of the other men who drove fast into nothingness, and I really want to avoid that phase.
So what I learned was, I guess, how to drive well and fast.
That's interesting. That's you, right?
Yeah, he's in my head.
He's in my head. It's really weird.
Yeah. No, it's similar experiences.
Like me, I've learned from my parents, I've learned that I do not want to end up like my father.
You know what I mean? I was definitely down that road.
I was definitely going right down that road.
And it was like, yeah, all the self-knowledge, the introspection, all that kind of stuff.
And you realize that you don't have to do that.
You can learn from that and do something else.
Yeah. Yeah. I just have to stop my mom from reading Sylvia Brown books.
In a bad neighborhood, there seems to be, I mean, bad neighborhoods are to some degree defined by fucked up relationships.
Like people screaming and throwing stuff and all that.
And I remember as a kid listening to all this cacophony, this symphony of hell of people just not getting along in the paper-thin walls of the crappy apartments we lived in.
And I remember really clearly guys just sitting to myself saying, how tough is it to just be nice to someone?
Like, how tough is it to just be helpful and to just get along?
Yeah, apparently a lot harder than I think.
Why is that so difficult?
Like, just be nice.
Okay, I had my share of, you know, not super functional relationship when I was younger, but, you know, having been very happily married, like my wife and I have maybe one or two disagreements a year.
We've never raised a voice at each other, never called each other names.
It's the same thing with my daughter.
Like, how hard is it to just...
Be nice. Be civil.
And it sounds so simple. I know it's hard.
You're living a good life over here. It takes a while to get there, but I also learned, okay, so if you don't learn this stuff, then you're going to end up in these situations where you're going to be screaming your voice raw with someone at three o'clock in the morning.
I remember being, when I was working up north, I was staying in a lodge, and this couple was in their 70s, right?
And they were still screaming at each other.
I remember the guy screaming at his wife like, oh yeah, well your sister gives way better blowjobs than you.
And I remember thinking, I don't know where life's going to take me.
I don't want it to take, like wherever my life takes me, as long as it doesn't take me there, it's been a pretty good life.
I used to lay in front of the door.
In my old apartment, I used to lay behind the door when the couple next door would fight and slide my phone out while I was recording just to get them throwing all their shit at each other and throwing it down the stairs, kicking them out.
It was great. I missed that part.
I missed that part of Hollywood. Stefan, thank you so much for your time.
Even as you're talking, I'm remembering other shit you said and wish I had more time to ask you about it.
But I really want to get these last two questions for you.
Hit me. When you go to the bathroom, when you go number one, when you take a piss, do you go through your fly?
Do you put your dick through your fly, or do you go over your waistband?
Oh, God, no.
Through the fly? Are you kidding me?
Thank you. It just takes one zipper-up Frank and Beans moment from...
Oh. So there's something about Mary.
Like, every child, everyone who's a boy has done that at one time, you know?
Oh, my kids are playing in the next room.
I better hurry. Ah! You're telling me you just take one of those and I'm like zipper enemy one and the button shit is just too complicated and annoying.
So you go over the waistband?
You're telling me you don't use the fly.
You put your dick over the waistband of whatever you're wearing.
Well, I wouldn't say I put my dick over there.
I would say that I get a team, a Derek, and I leverage my dick over my waistband.
Goddammit! I see. Because.
Okay. Well, that's a loss for me.
And finally, what makes you a rage?
It could be, I mean, we've covered a lot of topics here, but really, personally, what just irrationally, if you have an irrational thought, what irrationally makes you a rage?
What irrationally pisses you off?
Okay, so two things pop into mind.
Number one is, this is going to be, okay, how petty do we want to get?
Oh, extremely. Extremely petty?
All right, all right, okay. Fucking air dryers in bathrooms.
Yep. Like, holy shit, can you just give me something to dry my hands with?
Because it never seems to work, right?
Like, you're just sitting there, how fast do I have to rub my hands?
I gotta go somewhere, I gotta be somewhere, and I'm tempted to wipe my own ass, wipe them on my ass or whatever.
And you get this weak ass, like...
You know, there's a little breath coming out.
They used to be better. And now it's just this, like, weak-ass dragon farting that's going on.
I hate them. It just seems to take forever.
I never feel clean, and I always end up being too impatient to sit around and stay.
New toilets! Oh, my God!
New toilets are driving me completely insane.
Low flush. When I was a kid, you used to have these toilets that were like open up the bomb bay over 727 at 40,000 feet.
You remember those toilets? Yeah.
Like you'd hit them and you'd be like...
You worry about your lower intestine.
It's like another dimension. It's like fucking stranger things down there.
And you had to jump up or it would suck your bowels out through your ass.
So the old toilets with their suction and their power used to be fantastic.
Now you've got these weak toilets.
They're like an eyedropper.
You know, and if you're a dude, like we're dudes, right?
So if you're a dude and you're laying some serious logwork to go and it's like, why the hell do I have to stand here and flush three times and grab a brush?
Like, come on, just give me those old Boeing 747, open up the belly of the plane stuff that sucks time out through my nose.
That's what I want. And last thing, just, you know...
We work a lot with computers when you run these kinds of shows.
And I've not had a computer in 15 years where everything's working.
You open up Photoshop and it's like, you have a problem with generator.
Let me put you to a website that's mostly written in Swahili just so you can figure it out.
And it's like there's always something that's not working.
And for the most part, it's okay.
But every now and then, they cluster together.
And it's just like, fuck it.
I'm just going door to door. Forget this media shit.
I'm just going door to door. I'm going to full on go, you know, really, really old school Jehovah's Witness stuff.
I'm going to just knock on people's door and say, have you heard the good news about philosophy?
Because I'm really tired of wrestling with Photoshop, so I'm just showing up on your doorstep.
Maybe you can give me something to drink, but I'm going to tell you the good news about philosophy.
And that's my frustrations in a nutshell.
Who's your favorite philosopher?
Let me just enjoy my reflection in the camera here.
LAUGHTER The only honest answer from a philosopher is themselves, right?
Obviously, I think I'm the best, otherwise I'd be promoting someone else.
Who's your second favorite philosopher? Well, in terms of teaching me how to think Aristotle, in terms of, you know, your first love, it was the Ayn Rand objectivist school that really kind of got me going in philosophy.
And of course, Ayn Rand, it's funny, you know, this is the truth that comes out of crazy people sometimes, right?
So my mom, when I got into Ayn Rand, I was like, I think, 16 or something like that, right?
Mm-hmm. And my mom hated Ayn Rand.
And she's like, you know, I really, really felt, she said years later, that she became your mother and you just threw me aside.
Wow. Wow.
That's right. She did become my mother.
I've never had a conversation like that with my mom.
Yeah, yeah. You know, yeah.
You had that kind of shit laid on you?
Those smoky Russian tits were what I suckled my first wisdom on.
And that's just the way it goes.
You can't do better than your first love sometimes.
Fucking moms. Yeah, that's a hell of a thing to say to a kid, definitely.
Yeah, that's a little, you know, slightly overreacting and slightly...
Yeah, but, you know, it was kind of true.
In terms of, like, you know, the old line from King Lear, thou shouldst not have been old before they were wise...
You know, once you're like a kid, you're just wondering the sort of desolate oasis of boomers and grandparents just trying to find someone who has a coherent and useful thought to put together that can help you in life.
Because there was precious little going on when I was a kid.
Couldn't respect the teachers. My parents weren't any use.
Grandparents were nowhere to be found.
You know, you're just wandering around trying to find someone who's got some useful shit to tell you that's going to help you in life.
And eventually you go, okay, there's no oasis in this desert.
I just got to start digging and become one.
Yeah, yeah.
There's so much else I wanted to talk to you about, but you've been so generous with your time.
They're telling me to plug your Subscribestar and your private Discord.
Where can people find you?
Is there anything you'd like to mention?
Okay, so yeah, the website is...
I ditched the radio, RadioShack style, because, you know, it's a bit archaic by now.
So it's just freedomain.com.
That's freedomain.com.
And yeah, if people want to support the show, I don't do ads.
I don't have sponsors.
I don't have merchandise.
I'm just basically asking people for donations to support what it is that I do.
My books are almost all free and my documentaries are all free and I won't be stealing your time leech-like, mosquito-like with endless ads.
So if you want to support what I do, listen a bunch.
And if you like it, freedomain.com.
Forward slash donate.
If you donate through Subscribestar, which is an option there, then you get access to the sort of private Discord server.
I'll chat with people, particularly with regards to debate prep.
We're going to start doing a weekly call-in show for donors, and I'm in there in the chat asking and answering questions a lot.
So just, you know, you can find me at freedomain.com, and if you like it, you know, take a while, absorb what I've got.
If you like it, you think it's useful, you want to help out, that would be great, to freedomain.com slash donate.
You're going to crank out some real monsters in that Discord.
Some real debating nightmares.
Yeah, well, I heard you say that, I don't know, five, six years ago, and I've been a member ever since.
Thank you so much for calling this fun.
You've got to take one of your 20-minute monologues and condense it for a t-shirt.
You've got to get some merch up there.
That's the problem. If you want to be a philosopher, you've got to have that line.
Boy, you think it's challenging wearing a Trump hat.
I'm not sure that Freedom Aid merch would be anything other than gathering the lasers of leftist snipers directly on your forehead, so I'm mulling over the merch.
I think that's not an argument is a good slogan.
I'll remember that forever.
That's a fucking timeless saying.
That's not an argument. Thank you so much for your time.
Well, thanks guys. I really appreciate it.
Let's do it again sometime. It was a great chat.
Thanks. Take care.
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