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Nov. 27, 2019 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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Frozen 2: Freedomain Movie Review
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Hi everybody, it's Stefan Molyneux and Isabella Molyneux from Freedomain and we are here to talk about Frozen 2, a truly astounding film.
Tell me what you think. Okay, I'm just going to say one real fast thing before I get into the whole movie.
You think Maleficent 2 is bad?
If you've watched that review, we did a review on Maleficent 2.
Yes, we did. And personally, what we thought was a really good review.
Try watching Frozen 2.
It is about the worst movie I've seen.
I never thought I'd be saying this, worse than Maleficent.
And, you know, it's funny, too, because a little while ago, we re-watched Tangled, which was a Disney movie that was made, I think, eight or nine years ago.
It was really good. Solid. We were thinking of doing a review on it, but then we remembered that Disney was a bit more, I'm going to say, sane back then.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, and so that was a really good film, really enjoyable, moving and deep and great songs.
And we liked Frozen 1.
I knew they'd be great visuals.
You always get those from Disney.
And usually you get at least one, maybe two or three good songs, like really hummable, like Let It Go was like a brain virus back then.
Oh my gosh, I loved it.
I remember I was like four and I was just yelling it in the car.
So I had reasonably high hopes for Frozen 2, and my gosh, what a mess.
Okay, so the movie starts with a real flashback, and there's spoilers in this for those who haven't seen it.
Definite spoilers. So the movie starts with a flashback back to when the king and queen were alive and Elsa and Anna, the two sisters, were little.
Yeah. And the king talks about a war in a remote enchanted wood that's now been sealed off with fog.
And then we'll get back to that.
That shows up later. So then, between Frozen and Frozen 2, three years have passed.
But... Nothing's changed.
It's like frozen... Time is frozen.
Ah, I get it.
Frozen in time. Dad joke. Time is frozen, too.
Hey. I did a dad joke. I say I did a dad joke.
That's recorded. That's recorded. I don't care. That's recorded.
Okay, so yes. It's like everyone's frozen in time because nothing has changed.
Except Anna's gotten crazy.
Sorry, go ahead. Oh, yeah. So, Anna. So, let's talk about this.
So, there's this guy...
Who is Christophe. Christophe, yeah.
Christophe the blonde guy, right? Yeah. And he's got...
Anna is his girlfriend, right?
Yeah. Now, at the end of Frozen 1, it looks like they're about to get married or whatever.
Yeah. Now, three years has passed, and he seems pretty much the same, a bit goofier and a bit more like Worry Ward.
That's okay, though. But she has gone...
Literally mental. Like how?
Like, I mean, so the first little bit, I don't think it's too bad, but I'm just going to skip ahead.
When they actually get into this enchanted forest, he was about to propose to her, right?
And he's like, you know, back a while ago, like, I mean, we were a bit more crazy back then.
And she's like, she immediately interrupted saying, you think I'm crazy?
Am I crazy? Are you saying I'm crazy?
Stuff like that. Oh, yeah. And he's like, you know, back, you made a couple of mistakes.
Oh, so now you think I'm always mistaken all the time?
Am I wrong? You think I'm wrong?
Oh, man. And the word is neurotic, where people just kind of spark up and they escalate like crazy, right?
And I'm looking at this poor guy thinking, like, this is like wandering into a car wash without water.
Like, it's got acid in it.
It's going to melt his, like, masculine skin from his bones.
Because he's now going to get bound up with a woman who misinterprets everything he says, gets offended by when he's trying to be nice...
It's exhausting. She jumps to conclusions, like, right away.
And they're wrong. Like, it's okay to think that.
But, I mean, just don't, like, someone says, oh, I was thinking maybe in a bit we could sell a house.
And she's like, you want to sell a house, stuff like that.
Oh, without even interrupting me, have you already put the ad out?
Right. Now, this is sort of a life trick that you taught me after the movie.
So, let's say that there's someone in your life, and that person says, oh, you think I'm crazy?
You think I'm crazy? Am I crazy?
Yes. Question, what are they?
Not crazy. They're crazy.
Okay, don't reverse these life lessons.
It's confusing to me. I have to reverse them.
So that's exhausting.
And she becomes a much less sympathetic character because of that.
Yeah, she does. I'm just like, no.
So after the beginning where there's this flashback thing, the movie begins with the exciting act of playing charades.
Which, you know, is not the most exciting thing.
And then Elsa, the queen, the ice queen, right?
Who never has any interest in boys or men or romance or babies or anything, unlike Anna.
Elsa begins hearing...
Voices. Right.
And what was the note? I'm just going to do it.
Like, not actually singing, but...
Something like that. Anyway, so she hears this.
Now, it's not good.
If she's the queen and she's hearing voices...
But no one else could hear them.
But no one else hears them. She was just like the straight thing, whatever.
She was staring out the window and just kind of looking odd and they were guessing random things like paranoid person or scared or thinking.
Yeah, worried person, concerned person. Yeah, yeah. And what happened was she was hearing this voice and everyone was so confused like, what the heck is she doing?
Right, right. So that's not good.
Now, I have this whole argument which we've talked about before that...
Magic is kind of a stand-in or an allegory or a metaphor for madness because, you know, it's all stuff that's not possible in the real world.
Now, of course, if the queen is literally hearing voices that no one else can hear, the kingdom is not going to have a very good time.
So she goes and she accidentally awakens the four elements.
No clue how she does. I can't remember.
And those elements then start to destroy the town.
And then these little cute, trollsy, stone-nosed...
The first one, yeah.
They roll up and the old troll says, you have to go to the enchanted forest that's surrounded by this fog that no one can get in or out of.
And you have to find out about the past.
You have to find out about the past.
Now, in this forest, there was this long-ago battle between the people from Arendelle...
Yeah. And the people who are the native tribe, right?
Nathaldra. So the Nathaldra, they're like native or indigenous population of Canada and America.
They've got those sort of high cheekbones and so on, right?
And they're slightly darker skin and all that.
So the Nathaldra, we're going to call them the natives.
And we're going to call, because we can't call them, the town is Arendelle.
I don't want to call them Arendellians the whole time.
We just call them Europeans and the natives, right?
Yeah. So back in the day, there was this king.
And the king... Brought all of his soldiers and his son and all of that up to this forest up there and he met with the natives.
Can I explain this part? Yeah, yeah, go. Okay, so I don't remember it too well even though I asked to explain it because, you know...
No, no, please go ahead and explain it with your non-memory of things.
That would be excellent. Basically what happened was he said, okay, we have a peace offering and we're going to build you a dam and it strachens your water element.
Right. Is that what he said?
Yeah, I'm really, really sure.
It was considered to be some big benefit to build people who don't seem to do any agriculture, to build them a dam.
Like, what's the point? What are they supposed to do with the dam?
Strengthens their element. Strengthens their water element.
All right. And they accepted it, but it actually weakened their power, their element.
Something like that. And then there was a fight.
And then, yeah, they're like, everything was going fine.
And then they went to go see the wind element just had floating leaves that happened all over the place.
And I don't even know. But he went to go, this kid who was Elsa's dad, but this is back when he was a kid.
He went to go see these leaves.
And when he came back, they were all fighting.
Everybody was fighting. Okay. Now, this is very interesting because there's a phrase.
I think we've talked about it before.
There's a phrase called the fog of war.
What does it mean? It means, like, no one really knows exactly what happened in the war.
So let's say there's country A and country B, right?
Country A, let's say they win the war, then they'll say, oh, country B started it.
We were just fighting back, man.
We were just defending ourselves, man.
Right. They betrayed us.
And the same thing will happen vice versa.
Yeah, country B, if they win the war, they'll say, oh, my country A. They were terrible.
So the fog of war kind of has two meanings.
One is that it's really hard to know what your enemy is doing because a lot of war is deception.
Right. Yeah. So I just want to say, I remember you told me about this thing where they had this one die, they built this whole map about their battle plan, right?
Yeah, yeah. They got some dude to go and crash a plane.
I know it's kind of like, brutal, I'm going to say.
But just to distract the whole enemy, thinking, oh my gosh, these are battle plans.
We're so lucky. We found them, right?
Yeah. And that's how they won the war, basically.
That's right. So they gave fake battle plans that the enemy thought was real, and then the enemy sent all of those.
It's all deception. So there's a fog of war.
Everyone's constantly lying. But for me in history, looking back, how did a war start?
Like there's a First World War. People still don't even really know how it started, right?
And so there's this thing called the fog of war, and there's this...
A forest that's literally encased in fog that's hiding the secrets of a war, which is kind of neat in a way, the way they do that.
Also, I just wanted to say on the journey there, Olaf was being super annoying.
Like, he just said, did you know, did you know, did you know?
Stuff like that. Little bits of detailed knowledge that he passes out of the goodness of his heart, just like your father.
How could that be considered annoying? - - Go ahead, go ahead.
It's a little song.
Okay, I'm good. You're good. I thought it was delightful.
I tickle him when he gets annoying.
Yeah, yeah, okay. Pretty often.
Okay, so they go to the enchanted wood that no one can get in and no one can get out of.
Oh, no, sorry. I just want to say, with the Olaf thing...
Sorry, I'm interrupting. With the Olaf thing, he says, like, I'm just going to mention one I remember because it's a bit important later on.
Yeah, yeah. He's like, did you know that water can hold memory?
And then... Yeah, he's full of trivia.
He's really annoying. And it's like, I'm so glad I learned how to read.
Can we just mention something about Olaf?
Yeah. If you don't mind.
And this is kind of all over the place.
Okay, we're going to make this a long review.
Let's just get comfortable. Yeah, get comfortable, dudes.
Olaf freaks me the heck out.
Oh my lord. Why?
He has all these childish thoughts and he looks childish, but he has this deep, old, creaky man voice.
Yeah, it is weird. It's like going to a daycare and there's some five-year-old kid who comes up and says, Hi, how you doing?
I mean, he doesn't have a deep voice, but he's got this creaky old man voice.
And it's just weird. That was like nearly perfect.
Yeah, that's like, he freaks me out.
He really is. He's scary. Don't find it too cute.
And you can't have a buck tooth with one tooth.
But anyway, okay. Yeah, he looks like a bunny, his teeth.
Yeah, he does. So, they have to get into this enchanted wood that no one can get into, but Elsa just goes in.
She just touches it. Yeah, just touches it.
And then what happens is they get into those woods, and the woods are pretty, and I think it's kind of cool, but then there's all this tiresome stuff where they keep getting thrown around by all the wind and the elements, and Olaf has this odd song about, yeah, this is totally normal, and he almost falls in a hole.
I think it just goes on and on, right?
He gets separated from the others.
And what's that all about?
You're in some completely hostile, strange, weird, magical place.
You don't get separated.
You all stick together, right?
Yeah.
So he had this song about, oh, you'll understand it all when you're older and stuff like that.
And it's like, you're a snowman and I'm not sure you get older.
Ironically, he doesn't get much older.
Anyway, so then they get thrown around forever.
It's tiresome.
And then out of this storm, Elsa creates these ice sculptures of past events.
She doesn't know about them.
What is up with that?
I don't know. It's the whole water has memory thing.
Yeah, but they're in a tornado. Where's the water?
I don't know. I don't know.
And there is actually kind of a thing where there's some people who believe that you can sell water that has memory and it has curative properties.
It makes you better.
It heals you. It's all nonsense. But anyway.
Sounds like holy water. No, here's the thing, right?
Yeah.
Yeah. That's weird to me.
That's weird. So then you see the natives and you see the soldiers.
The soldiers from Arendelle.
And they've been trapped for how long?
23 years. Now, how specific do they get later?
They get, like, hours.
Yeah, like, they get years.
This is later on, when they're about to free everyone from the mist.
They get to, like, I think they got to the hours.
Yeah, they got to the hours. They got years, months.
Days, minutes. They got years, months, days, and hours, down to the line.
How? They got no watches.
They've got no clocks. Like, I mean, you're going to lose track after, like, the first month.
Yeah, yeah. Like, what if it's actually been 27 years?
Right. You don't know. Right.
And then the fire element shows up.
And you, you just lost it.
Like, you lost it in the theater.
No, I was like, this movie's not, it's not too bad, right?
And I said to, I told dad, my dad, and I said, you know, like, I mean, the rest of the stuff, it's not great.
But the real thing that made me hate this movie, they messed up the lizard.
Okay, now listen, people need the backstory with you and lizards.
I'm obsessed with lizards.
Mainly because dragons.
I think you know if you follow my dad's Twitter account.
Oh yeah, she did pictures of dragons.
So that's the backstory.
You love lizards. Salamanders and geckos too.
And salamanders, right? I've caught some.
What is the issue? There's this weird fire.
Sorry, there's this weird fire.
What color was it? I got it right.
It was like orangey-purple.
Orangey-purple, yeah, yeah. So it's not like real fire.
No. And Elsa is trying to fight this fire that keeps erupting all over the forest with her little ice stuff, right?
Which, you know, given the power she has at the end, makes no sense at all.
She'd just be able to make an ice wave and it'd block it.
And then it turns out that it's a...
Salamander. It's a fire salamander, because she tracks it...
But it's blue! The salamander's blue and purple!
Blue and red or purple, or I don't remember.
Tell me, if you remember what we talked about with Maleficent...
You gotta get this straight, guys.
You can't have a salamander that licks its eyes and blinks.
Okay, so explain that to people.
So, I'll explain the main thing.
So geckos, they have little suction pads on their feet.
It's a bit like tree frogs, except tree frogs have stickiness.
They can climb walls.
And they lick their eyes because they don't have eyelids.
And they can see in the dark.
Only very few of them are diurnal, but most of them are nocturnal.
Very rare for diurnal ones.
Right. Yeah, they typically have short tails that are wide.
And basically, yeah, that's basically the main differences.
Lizards have claws.
They can blink.
They're typically bigger and they have longer tails.
Right. Salamanders, from the salamanders I have seen, they have gills when they're little and then they grow up with no gills, but there are a lot of salamanders that keep their gills.
Right. And I'm like 95% sure they only blink, but there are probably maybe a few species that lick their eyes, but I've never seen a lizard that can do both.
Right. Okay, so the fact that...
Because it's one or the other. You lick your eyes while you blink, right?
And this was a complete mix.
Right. It had the body of a gecko.
Like, I mean, a gecko-salamander mix body.
It was, like, odd.
And what happened was, is it had fire all over it, on its back.
And it blinked and licks its eyes.
Yep. That is the main thing that made me hate this movie.
Wait, wait, wait. Because there was another thing that you pointed out as well.
Yeah. Which is, what element is it?
It's a fire element and it's blue.
And salamanders live in water.
Okay, so salamanders live in water, but they represent the fire element.
I'm like, even if it's a gecko, geckos don't like it too warm.
Right. Like, I mean, that's why they're nocturnal mostly.
That's why they're nocturnal, because they like the coolness.
Right, right. And so, the main reason why Disney has this creature in there...
Toys? Yeah. Oh, also later on it can run as fast as a horse.
Yeah, later on at the end of the movie it's running as fast as a horse.
Like, lizards do not do that!
Well, but if you remember, it was like racing around the forest making all this fire.
But still! So there's this thing that happens in this movie, and it's kind of common, which is the taming of the wild beast.
Oh my lord. Right? So this is a crazy creature that's trying to kill people, that's setting fire to the entire forest and all that.
Yeah, that's what I just wanted to say. Wouldn't Elsa kind of be like the opposite?
Wouldn't they fight because it's...
Fire and ice. Fire and ice.
Jinx. But no, so she kind of traps it in a little hollow in a stone, and then she...
She puts out her hand, and it just...
He just becomes friendly. And she puts out her hand, and trust me, I know from experience, lizards do not do that.
If you put out your hand, if it's a bigger, aggressive lizard, it will likely bite it.
Two, if it's a smaller lizard, it will literally run away and avoid your hand as if it's a life or death matter, which in most cases it would be.
And so there's this message that goes out to these women, these girls, I guess, which is no matter what kind of wild beast is out there, you can tame it with your prettiness and your cuteness and your sweetness and your niceness and all this kind of stuff.
Because they do it later with the stone giants.
Yeah. We'll get to that. But to me, it really bothers me because I think a lot of women, they're girls, right?
They see this kind of stuff and then they grow up and there's some guy, maybe he's really handsome, but he's kind of mean.
And do you know what they say? Oh, we can tame him or something.
I can tame him with my prettiness and my cuteness.
And I say... And it doesn't work.
It does not work. It does not work.
You cannot just, you know, like, what are they going to jump into a lion cage and say, no, I'm going to smile and bat my eyes at this creature and it's going to be totally fine and mobile.
I'm going to pet it. Yeah, yeah. So I don't like this message of, like, there's wild, dangerous stuff out there.
You can totally tame it. It doesn't work.
Weird thing with the salamander thing.
She's like, ooh, hot, hot, hot, whatever, right?
And then what happens is, is it snuggles into her because she's cold, right?
I mean, she's ice element. Why does it want to be cold if it's a fire thing?
Yeah. She makes a little pile of snow and it just kind of like jumps into it, settles in, and there's some steam.
And it's like, what in the world?
It's a fire salamander.
Why does it want to cool off? I mean, unless it's like a salamander, so it wants the cold water.
So let's talk about some of the facial features of these princesses.
You notice this? Their eyes are bigger than their mouths.
Okay, these eyes have become completely lunatic.
Oh my lord. They're like two white planets orbiting the sun.
Oh my gosh. On his eyes, when she was sad, her eyes grew like twice the size in terms of width.
And I'm like, no, I'm pretty sure I measured this previously.
Her eyes were not wider than her wrist.
Yeah, no, and that's really creepy stuff to me.
I find that it's too much.
Like, okay, maybe when they're babies or little or whatever.
It's okay. I mean, animations are going to have big eyes.
No, but the men don't.
No, the men had actually decently sized eyes.
And I'm like, hmm, okay.
It's just a female thing. I pointed that out.
I just whispered. And I got a few annoyed looks from people beside us in the movie.
I just whispered, what is happening with their eyes?
Like, hers are big and hers are tiny.
And actually, I saw one person glance at the movie again after they shot me an annoyed look.
And they kind of nodded a little bit slowly.
Like, yeah, actually, I can see that.
I thought there would just be two eyes with legs, like, at the end of it.
Like, that's all that's left of them.
The eyes get so big. And you noticed something about Elsa.
So we noticed the makeup, that Elsa has this, like, smoky eye makeup throughout the whole thing, right?
And you noticed that she has...
Anna has high heels.
Anna has high heels.
And Elsa is barefoot.
Elsa is barefoot. Like, I don't know if she randomly grows shoes, but I'm pretty sure, like, almost the entire movie she's barefoot.
Here's the thing with Elsa. You're a queen.
You're going to have shoes. Here's the thing with Elsa.
Okay. Does she get cold or not?
Because half the time she's diving into this ice water, right?
Remember she's trying to get to the river of memory?
Yeah. She tries to dive. She dives into this ocean that's completely freezing.
And she's not cold.
It's nighttime too. She's not cold.
So does she get cold or not?
I can never figure that out because they keep changing the rule on that.
All right. And also, skip, later on she gets frozen.
She literally turns into ice.
Well, and she's freezing. She's shivering, right?
So anyway, here's the other thing too.
Okay, so this fight happens approximately 12,000 times in the movie.
Elsa says what? I have to follow I have to go on alone.
Yeah. You can't follow me.
It's too dangerous. You don't have powers.
I have powers. I must go on alone.
And Anna says...
But we're sisters. We promised.
You promised you...
Right. She does squeal like that.
So then, at one point, Elsa decides to keep Anna safe by doing what?
He's sending her off in this frozen boat down a frozen river.
Yeah, like rocketing down the side of a mountain in a frozen boat.
And then they land in this big river.
And she's with Olaf, right?
Oh, I just want to say one thing.
Right before the whole she's with Olaf, well, I mean, sorry, actually right when she's with Olaf, before when she's riding down, you know how like Olaf has these sticks and he can take out the sticks?
His arms, right? His arms, right?
And she used those, and he can apparently move his hand without the stick attached to his body.
Do you know why? Because logic.
Magic. Because logic.
Disney logic. No, magic is supposed to have some logic, too.
Otherwise, it's just completely random, right?
It's like, hello, we're going to make this entire house float by snapping our fingers.
Like, even people who are crazy, they have some kind of logic to their craziness, usually, right?
Like, if some guy's paranoid, thinks he's being followed, he doesn't think that if he's in the middle of an open field and there's no one around.
He thinks if there's in a mall or whatever, there's some logic to it.
Or, like, let's say at night, he just has some really loud neighbors upstairs or something, and they're, like, footsteps and just sound like you're following him wherever he goes.
Yeah, yeah. Just coincidence. Also...
She uses this hand to grip a tree branch on the way down, but, you know, it doesn't work for some reason.
But later on, that hand can be turned into a paddle, basically.
I mean, it doesn't change, but that hand, she uses it to row a giant ice boat.
Well, not giant. No, it's heavy, though.
Like, if you pick up a bag of ice, it's heavy, right?
Oh, my word, yeah. So, a boat that's big enough to hold two people and float.
So, she takes this tiny little stick, and she rows.
I mean, come on. I mean, it's just, like, working a little harder, right?
Because, I mean, she literally just fell out of this, like, icy river or something.
Right, right. So, then what happens is, Elsa goes, we'll skip a bit, so she goes down deep into the canyon of memory or whatever, right?
And then she sees this complete vision of the past, and it turns out that it was her grandfather, King Rooneyard.
King Rooneyard. So, King Rooneyard...
Who was her father's father, snuck up on the native guy who was just drinking a cup of tea or something and killed him.
So they said, oh, let's take this discussion, because they were angry.
Let's have some tea or whatever, right? Let's just take this discussion, get some tea.
And he was like, oh, I'll just have a sip of my tea.
Right. This is in the memories thing, right?
Where Elsa was by herself.
One thing right after this, I'm going to mention it was before when she had to get across the ocean.
Yeah. She was looking and she's like, he killed her with no weapons.
Like the tribe leader had no weapons or something.
And the, um, oh my gosh.
King Runard, right?
Runard, yeah. Runierd.
They have these mouthful names.
It's like impossible. Yeah, I know what you mean.
Like, whatever. And she's like, kill him with no weapons.
That's so mean and something.
Well, now, see, this is interesting, too, because we talked earlier about the fog of war.
And then through Frozen, this Elsa goes and finds the objective, actual, factual truth about why a war started.
And you can never, ever find that.
Like, in the real world, right?
In the real world, going back through time...
Remember I told you that story the first day I was in my history class?
Oh yeah, you told me.
The teacher.
She threw her glasses at you and you caught them.
And nobody even knew what happened when they were in the room.
You said there were two people who got it.
Oh, you threw the glasses at him and he caught them or something.
And there's something that's true in history that any time Europeans come across a native population, who's always considered to be the bad guys?
Europeans. Yeah, these days, right?
And it's complicated, right?
I mean, yes, absolutely.
Sometimes the Europeans were the bad guys, and sometimes the natives were the bad guys, and the natives were bad guys to each other.
They enslaved each other. They waged war against each other.
So it's complicated.
But in this story, in the fog of history, there's a way to, without a doubt, recreate that the natives were perfectly innocent, the Europeans were perfectly evil and bad, and struck a peaceful guy who he'd invited for tea.
Because if you're really into history and you study this kind of stuff, you hear one side of the story, you hear the other side of the story, and there is no third objective magic camera you can send back in time to see exactly what happened.
But in this case, she has the magical power to pierce through the fog of history and know exactly what happened.
And that gives people a completely false sense of history.
And that bothers me enormously because people then hear a historian talking about something and they think, I mean, I'm not saying consciously, but they have this kind of thing from this movie like, oh, you can just go back and know exactly what happened objectively through magic.
And you can't. And that's it.
It's really annoying. All right.
So anyway, after this, and she sends a big psychic message through to her sister.
Can I see a little thing? Can I see a little thing? Sorry, so beforehand, so there's this mystery ship.
Oh yeah, the ship in the middle of the...
Yeah, yeah. It's like not explained.
How the heck does she have a map and stuff like that?
Like, why was there a map and this random secret vessel and stuff?
And why... I don't know why there was a ship in a forest.
I don't know. Anyway, so...
Sorry, I just wanted to say. I saw actually a few families leave.
They had young kids. I'm like, okay, it should be family...
Oh, leave the theater. Yeah, leave the theater.
Sorry, I left the movie.
I was going to say, you're right. Because you can't leave the wood.
Sorry, I messed up.
No, but they're really... They had tallers, like two, three, four, stuff like that.
Way too young. Way too young for this movie.
That horse was scary. That's what I was going to talk.
So, one, I highly doubt that the water element is a horse.
Two, I highly doubt that that horse can breathe underwater.
Three, I also highly doubt that horses can swim.
How could there be a water element that can't swim?
I don't know. It's like having a fire element that desperately wants to cool down.
Yeah. Like having an earth element that hates being on the ground or something.
Or that can't run. I thought that that dark sea and the horse that was trying to drag her down and drown her.
He was pushing her and drowning her. I mean, that's scary.
But you know why there's a horse?
Toys. Well, toys and girls like horses.
Yeah, they do. Also, I just want to say, some boys too, but more girls.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, boys like talent.
My best friend, when I was about, a little older than you, his loved horses, mad for horses.
Anyway. Well, I just want to...
I'm sorry. It's okay.
It's fine. It's every two minutes.
No, here we go. We have this thing in our family where I'm about to say, or one of us is, not me, one of us is about to say something and the other is like, give me a second.
And it's like, sure, sure, sure. And then two minutes later, what are we going to say?
Give me a sec. I can't hold my thought anymore.
I used to be able to. All right. No, just want to say.
Yeah. I lost my thought.
Oh my God. Again?
Again! Don't make me edit this.
All right. No, I remember, I remember, I remember.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So sorry. So this ice, she has this, later on, she has to stop this whole big giant wave and she has this ice power that saves Arendelle.
This huge wave.
Like, as tall as the Empire State Building and as wide as an entire fjord.
But she can't even get over these waves without taming this water horse.
And that's what we talked about earlier.
If at the end of the movie they have these gigantic powers, it's like, well, why didn't you just use those powers earlier?
I didn't do it! Okay, so let's talk about the stone giants.
By the way, I think this brings some flashbacks to the Minecraft show when I'm screaming.
So let's talk about these stone giants.
Yeah. Okay, so they're pretty masculine.
They all seem to be male, right?
Apparently. Now, so for some reason that I don't know, and people will tell us because, you know, every movie I have to miss something obvious that I did that with Joker, right?
Yeah. I do not know why the dam had to be broken.
First of all, I don't even understand what the point of the dam is.
The dam rises like hundreds and hundreds of feet.
It's built really solidly.
I don't even know if they've got concrete yet.
Imagine how much work it would be to make that dam, to pile it off.
And how do you make a dam when there's this giant river?
A lake or whatever, right?
Okay, so skipping back a little bit from where we were just talking about, right when Anna got pushed down that waterfall and rode with a stick on the ice boat, this was also with the giants.
That's why I was going through this part right when you were talking about the giants.
But she...
don't remember exactly how this happens, but she gets into this cavern and going back to the part where you talked about Elsa and her...
She sends the memory. She sends the thoughts.
How does she know the unknown location of Anna?
It's very strange. Whatever.
And also the thing is, too, you know that Olaf is not going to die.
I mean, he dies, but you know he's not going to die.
He half dies. He's going to come back, right? Yeah, yeah.
You need toys, man.
Yeah, you need the toys. You're not going to get rid of that.
You can't make enough money from the movie.
But, sorry, I was just going to say.
So then it turns out that the reason why Elsa has powers is because her mother, who's native, saved her father, who was European and young, during this battle started by King Rooneyard.
And then you have to, I guess they have to undo because the dam was a trick of some kind.
And so they have to break the dam in order to free everyone from the enchanted forest.
They have to destroy the dam. Now I think they have to do it because they've got all this cool water stuff they want to do, but it really doesn't make any sense.
So then what happens is Anna goes and wakes up the stone giants, right?
Yeah. Now, everyone has this thing where you get woken up unexpectedly or early.
You know, you've got an alarm because you've got an early flight or something like that.
Anything, yeah. Yeah, or, you know, someone comes and wakes you up and you're a night owl.
I'm a night owl. Yeah, so you don't like particularly...
It takes me forever to get to sleep sometimes, but I get up and I'm like...
So, the stone giants wake up and they're so insane and crazy and nasty...
That they want to kill someone who wakes them up.
And so then, and this is an interesting thing too, because Anna can't destroy the dam on her own.
So she manipulates men into doing her dirty work for her.
Because she angers them more and she gets them to throw boulders at the dam.
- And Baldus to the dam, right? - Yeah.
- And now what's interesting is that they then destroy the dam and then there's this whole crazy power thing.
But then she and Elsa go and like, they tickle the chin of the stone giants and they're all friends.
Again, this taming.
- It's like, what the heck? - Like how on earth do you tame someone who's just literally tried to kill you for waking them up early?
It's really crazy. So that's the major stuff that we wanted to talk about.
I'm curious what people think about, well, what we've talked about and other themes that they saw in the movie.
I'm not a fan. I'm not either.
I didn't like the music. I thought the singing reindeer were a little freaky.
Oh, we didn't get to that part. Let's do that part.
Yeah, yeah, okay. So, there was this thing.
There's this dude named Ryder.
He's from the Nathaldrith tribe.
The natives, yeah. The natives.
Sorry, the natives. And he really likes reindeer.
And they're going on about something.
Oh, are you...
Can you... You talk the reindeer's thoughts.
You can get what the reindeers are saying and stuff like that.
And he's like, yeah, I can do that too.
You can and stuff like that.
And later on, I think it's like a complete hallucination where he has this image of finding Anna and then just losing her right away and stuff like that.
And the reindeers are singing and I'm like, okay, this is disturbing.
Yeah, it does get a bit strange.
We just gave each other a look like, I want to leave, but you know, we got to do a review.
Yeah, and it was an odd kind of jumbled together thing.
I think it needed another couple of rewrites and just a bit fewer cliches, a bit more complexity.
Everything seemed kind of...
You knew what was coming.
No, this movie was very complex.
I was so confused halfway through.
No, no. Complex and confused, not quite the same thing.
Okay, fine. I'm like, is this even frozen anymore?
Yeah, no, it did seem like a very, very different thing.
And some of the positivity...
Of the first movie didn't really seem to be present.
I didn't feel uplifted at the end.
I just felt confused and angry that they messed up so much.
Yeah, so I think it's a real shame.
We made a pledge we were never going to watch another Disney movie.
Unless it's a sequel, because then we know we're going to get a lot of views.
Well, the other thing too, I mean, so I say, well, if I go to see a Disney film and talk about it and other people don't go and see it, then that's actually helping people not see Disney.
So, yeah, I think it's changed.
And it's just in 10 years between Tangled and Frozen 2, there's been a huge change.
And it just feels a lot more like propaganda.
Toys. Yeah. Toys and this female empowerment stuff.
Oh my goodness. All of the women are...
Great. Oh yeah, and the guy too.
Matthias was his name. Anna comes up to him and she's being chased by these big giant terrifying stone giants.
She comes up to this guy who was sworn to protect Arendelle.
And not have the dam. Yeah, and she says, oh my god, we've got to bust the dam.
And she says... And she's not the queen.
And she says, my highness, your highness, I'm sorry, but I'm sworn to protect this.
Yeah, and if you break the dam, Arendelle gets drowned, right?
Yes, but this will save the Taldra and something, whatever.
Sorry, not the Taldra, the Enchanted Forest.
And he's just like, alright, you're pretty, we can do it.
Yeah, I mean, it's very sad that he'd have this sworn duty to protect the town.
And she's not even the queen, she's a princess.
And she says, no, really don't.
He's like, okay, I won't.
And that's really, really sad. And this idea that you can go back and you can destroy the present by somehow finding out the truth about the past...
I don't think it's a very good idea.
All right. So thanks, everyone, for listening so much.
A real pleasure to thank you so much for taking the time to do the show.
It was great fun. Thanks, everyone.
Looking forward to the next review.
Talk to you soon. Bye. Oh!
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