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July 13, 2019 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux

01:36:55

An Honest Conversation with a Middle Eastern Immigrant

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	I'm an ex-Iranian immigrant to Canada.
	I came over here in 2010 and have been trying to start a new life for myself.
	I'm a 27-year-old male and currently live with my brother.
	The rest of my family, my sister and parents, still live back in Iran.
	My question is, is full integration-slash-assimilation really doable for someone who immigrates to a new country past the age of 15, i.e., around the age of sexual-slash-linguistic maturity?
	Is it possible that there are biological obstacles that might make this highly unlikely, if not completely impossible?
	I've been exposed to a hypothesis that almost suggests so, but I don't know if I'm reading too much into it.
	I would love to get your thoughts on this subject.
	That is from Brandon.
	Well, hello.
	How are you doing?
	Happy New Year, man.
	Wow.
	First caller on the first day of 2016.
	This is quite a treat, Stefan.
	So, this better be great!
	Just kidding, I'm sure it will be.
	Nice to meet you.
	Nice to meet you, too.
	Well, I have met you already, but nice to meet you in person.
	Nice to meet you in person.
	And how has it been going for you?
	Let's get a wee bit of backstory, if you're alright with that.
	What are you doing here over alone, and how has the assimilation stuff been going?
	Well, like I said, I came here in 2010, and most of the time I've been living in Canada, I've spent somewhat isolated on a university campus.
	The university I went to, let's not name it, but it's actually one of the same ones that you've gone to.
	So that was easily four years of the five years that I've been in Canada.
	Assimilation-wise, well, let's put it this way.
	I live in a neighborhood that's 50% Asian, I'd say about 30% Iranian and the rest is miscellaneous.
	Now hang on, when you say Asian, because it's a bit of a fuzzy category, so you mean sort of Japanese, Chinese, Korean kind of stuff, right?
	Yes, East Asian stuff.
	Okay, got it.
	I don't know how assimilating is working out for me genuinely, because even back home, I'm the kind of person who, I'm a complete and utter grass eater.
	I stay at home, I don't really have any friends that I can go out with or talk to in any capacity.
	I even avoid my own family these days, so I'm going to new extremes.
	I don't know how it would have worked out had I actually been an extroverted person and wanted to go out and mix and mingle with people.
	Right.
	And how is the rest of your family doing with regards to integration?
	My family is very non-homogeneous.
	My sister and mother don't speak English that well.
	I mean, they can get by, but It's not remotely good enough for them to be able to start a new life in a country independently.
	They're always going to have to rely on somebody to deliver free interpretation services for them, i.e.
	me or my brother.
	My brother is very successful financially in Canada.
	He is a pilot.
	He was an engineer before that.
	He had a radical turn of career.
	Anyway, but as far as integration goes, I mean, I've got my own definition of assimilation and full integration.
	Would you like to hear that definition?
	Sure.
	I've actually written this down because I thought it might come up.
	This is how I personally define full assimilation.
	Gaining the capacity to engage with society at large with the same sociolinguistic skills as anyone in that society who was born there.
	It also entails conforming to fundamental ethical values and standards of that society.
	That's my 100% personal definition of full assimilation.
	Now, as far as, if we take that definition to be relevant here, Standards and values, I think we definitely conform to, both I and my brother.
	You know, human rights, free speech, all of that.
	Going out with a bunch of guys, watching hockey and cracking jokes around the table while chucking down a Mawson Canadian, I don't know how that's going to go down.
	I mean, I speak for myself right now.
	I have missed out on tons of opportunities in my teens watching Canadian TV shows.
	I don't get lots of the references.
	There's a lot of hockey talk.
	I only learned what the Blue Jays were like four weeks ago.
	I seriously didn't know what sports they were playing.
	Yeah, I don't see that part of it going that well.
	But then again, it's confusing to me because I never even allowed myself to experiment with this thing, seeing how psychotically introverted and lonely I am in life.
	But my brother, who is more extroverted, I can see him usually spending time with Iranian friends.
	I mean, he's got a few very good Canadian friends who were born here.
	But I don't really ever see him engage in that sort of profound dialogue or that ha-ha kind of moment that he might otherwise experience with people who speak the same language as him.
	I mean, his own native language, being Farsi or Persian.
	By the way, it's Iran, not Iran, Michael!
	He ran.
	OK.
	He's probably listened to too much Flock of Seagulls, but that's a joke.
	You know how I ran?
	There's another reference that's going to make you feel not as similar to the song.
	I ran, I ran so far away.
	Anyway.
	All right.
	So did you want to add something else to that, my friend, or shall I?
	Actually, there's a lot about the hypothesis that I want to tell you about.
	I don't know how much time I have.
	I have to cram all this stuff in somehow.
	We've got all year, man.
	I mean, deadline's passed.
	Take your time.
	Let me step back a second here.
	The reason I came up with the question to begin with was I was watching a show by Gavin McInnes.
	I'm sure you know him.
	To anyone who doesn't, he's a comedian and I'm not really trying to refute anything he said.
	He was just doing a routine and he's actually very funny.
	He was talking about this Indian cab driver in New York.
	and how cab drivers are always immigrants, you always never find white cab drivers, and how he was going something like, I've been living in this country for 30 years, and you know, whatever, whatever.
	And he was saying that had I lived in India for 30 years, I would be composing poetry in Hindi.
	And these guys are a complete and utter failure when it comes to assimilation and all of that.
	And this whole talk about the immigrant kind of reminded me of this hypothesis which I was exposed to many years ago in my first undergrad.
	I took 10 credits of linguistics and it's called the critical period hypothesis, the CPH.
	Have you heard of this?
	No.
	Well, everybody has seen this, even if they've never heard of it.
	Children pick up their first language much more efficiently and effortlessly than adults.
	Well, adults usually don't pick up a first language, but they pick up second languages with a lot of difficulty.
	The hypothesis is generally centered around the idea of accents.
	So it argues that it is possible, though difficult, to develop a proficient grammar literacy or develop an extended vocabulary usage, but it's always going to be a massive obstacle for you to sound the same as someone in the target language in a way that fools people.
	In that target language, to the fact that you were actually not born in that community.
	Now there's a lot of reasoning why this could be true.
	I really don't think I have time for all of this.
	There's a brain lateralization, how different functions are assigned to different hemispheres of the brain.
	The hypothesis argues that accent is a lower-order brain function.
	Its development is different from the parts of the brain that deal with grammar and vocabulary and lexicon and all of that.
	This is the part I wanted to tell you about, and this should be interesting to your listeners, because we talked about the archaic and, you know, the evolutionary stuff.
	It makes sense, from an evolutionary viewpoint, for a species like us that defers sexual development to such a late point, compared to say rabbits, to assign energy expenditure accordingly.
	So if I'm going to be having sex around the age of 15 or 16, up until that point, I'm going to allocate my sources to everything that allows me to attract the opposite sex, to everything that's going to allow me to be seen as part of the community, to become one with the tribe.
	And once I go over that borderline of sexual maturity, now we're going to shut down those tendencies and talents, that readiness that your brain has for acquiring these skills.
	And now we're going to be allocating the energy to spend production and going out there and obtaining the resources and whatever it is that we need to get laid.
	Now, this whole thing makes a lot of sense to me, but again, this is a hypothesis, and I'm reading off the wiki page right now.
	There is apparently a lot of debates going about the veracity of this.
	Some people say it's completely wrong.
	If you simulate the same environment for a little kid, for an adult, language acquisition will happen as efficiently as then.
	I think that's a moot point, personally.
	Seeing how this could be true, maybe it is in fact impossible for that Indian cab driver to ever sound authentic, to ever master his language abilities.
	And could we maybe extend this beyond just language?
	I don't see why it should be just accent if it also pertains to everything else I said about how to be seen as part of the tribe, how to court the opposite sex.
	Then the new immigrant who comes to Canada or the United States or wherever past the age of 20, you're going to be lacking in your linguistic skills, but you're also going to be lacking in your ability to attract the opposite sex.
	And this is going to be a mess.
	You're not going to have anyone to talk to, you're not going to find anyone to have sex with, unless you restrict yourself to your own little community.
	But then again, you're leaving yourself to the odds of an equal number of males and females having immigrated from your own community back home, which is, by the way, not the case, I don't think.
	Usually, we have more males than females who come to new countries.
	So, yeah, I think I'll shut up now.
	I talked quite a lot.
	Well, yeah, I mean, that's a lot to talk about in terms of immigration, but as you were pointing out there, when you came over, In 2010, from Iran.
	Iran was at a particular phase of development, and Iran, to some degree or another, with any luck and with hard work, is going to continue to develop in some fashion, hopefully perhaps getting back to the more secular Iran that existed in the 1950s and the 1960s, that seemed to have more of a future and was much more friendly to female education and so on.
	So what happens is, when you come over from Iran, You bring that bubble of 2010 Iran with you and then it stops developing because you're not in Iran anymore, right?
	So you bring this bubble over and meanwhile Iran will continue to develop in some manner and I've seen this in immigrant communities and I've for a variety of reasons been involved in a variety of immigrant communities over the years If you look at Greek people who came over 20 years ago, well they have the values of Greece from 20 years ago.
	But the values of Greece from 20 years ago are no longer held by Greeks now, in Greece.
	So you get this little time slice.
	That comes out and gets frozen in time and then ends up in some new place.
	So even if there are sort of waves of people coming in, those people are all going to have different values based upon where their host country was when they emigrated.
	And then they're no longer adapting to the continued changes in the host country.
	And so you end up with these lost worlds, so to speak, these time slices, these bubbles.
	of history that don't change.
	And so I think people really do get lost in space as far as that goes.
	It's like detaching from the mothership.
	You can't find the new planet.
	The mothership keeps going.
	Where are you?
	And so I think that is a big challenge.
	Sexual marketplace value of immigrants tends to be low.
	I mean, you know, tell me if I'm awry.
	In general.
	I mean, I had some sexual market value coming over from England because, well, it's considered to be a better place to come in some ways, higher sexual market value, and the accent and all that makes you sound smart.
	But, you know, I gotta think, the kids coming in from Bangladesh, I mean, I remember there was a woman, I think she was Iranian.
	I won't tell you her name to check, because I don't know if you could, but I remember she was, you know, shy and obviously overwhelmed by this new environment.
	And there was this guy, he was just your typical coarse, not quite bully, but just coarse.
	And he came up to her with a little screw, and he said, hey, X, want a screw?
	Like, as he was going to hand, like, just, and of course, ah, deer in the headlights, like, how do I respond?
	What do I say?
	And of course, I think, like, if I were to move to Japan, and Japan has had a lot of Western influences, but let's, if I were to move to Japan, or if I were to move to Iran, how long would it take me to feel that I had fully assimilated?
	Well, that answer would be, I would never feel fully assimilated.
	And that is a big challenge.
	You know, we're social animals.
	Our relationships are knit together by culture and values and stories and religions and nationalisms.
	That's the way it is.
	You know, a couple of generations, if we all work hard, we can replace that with philosophy.
	But that ain't where we are right now.
	And so when people move from places like Iran to places like Canada and as you know that's kind of a one-way moving sidewalk.
	There's not a lot of footprints and not a lot of mucklucks and snowshoes heading from Canada to Iran or to Saudi Arabia and not just for reasons of it's kind of impossible but because most people want to live in the West if they have the choice.
	And so it is tough for the first generation and I would argue pretty much impossible for the first generation But then the weird thing that happens is, for the parents, they have their kids.
	Now the kids, and this I think has been fairly extensively studied, but kids, as I'm sure you're aware, if you have parents who come from Glasgow, Glaswegians I think they're called, or smelly, they have thick accents and they speak that way to their kids, but what kind of accents do their kids have?
	Western?
	I mean, North America?
	Yeah, they have local accents, whatever they happen to be.
	And that makes perfect biological sense, because we mate with our peers, not our parents.
	So we want to fit in as much with our peers as humanly possible, and so we will adopt the accents of our peers rather than our parents.
	Now as far as sexual market value goes, there is a great question which is why was, relative to other waves of migrations in the world, why was 19th century immigration to America so successful?
	Relatively speaking.
	And the answer seems to be that the majority of it was white.
	In other words, you had a white country and lots of white people came into that country.
	And within a single generation You really couldn't tell, right?
	I mean, maybe you're living in Little Italy, or maybe you're just a swarthy Irishman, I don't know, right?
	But within a generation, or maybe even two, no one can tell that you came from somewhere else.
	But when you have, you know, Asians, or blacks, or people from the Middle East, then it's different.
	The biological integration is impossible, if that makes any sense.
	You can't blend if you are biologically different from the host population.
	In other words, if someone from, you know, I'm probably painting this in too broad a brush, so I apologize to those who are nitpicky, but just as an analogy, if someone from China moves to Japan, within a generation no one knows that they came from China.
	Is that fair to say?
	Sounds fair to me.
	Yeah, I mean, because physically they blend, right?
	They're not tall and blue-eyed, whatever, right?
	Probably.
	But if someone from China moves to Canada, and assuming that they marry other Chinese people, there will never be a generation wherein people think that they're not from an Asian country.
	So when whites from all the different white countries move to a white country then they blend within a generation or two.
	That's the melting pot, right?
	But when people who are biologically distinct from a native population move That assimilation from a biological, I-can't-tell-whether-you're-here-or-not-from-here, that doesn't occur.
	And that's not to say that Chinese people or Iranian people or black people can adopt all the values.
	That could happen.
	But there still is a limit to the automatic nature of the melting pot, if that makes any sense.
	Now I'm always concerned about any society when people who have low sexual market value come into that society as we talked about.
	You know the two things that civilize young men and reduce their levels of testosterone and increase their cooperation and their work ethic and so on is number one getting married and number two having children.
	So whenever a large group of young men move into a society and those men have low sexual market value outside their group And within their group there aren't enough women.
	Well you're just setting yourself up for a whole mess of trouble.
	Like a whole mess of trouble.
	And that's not particular to any group.
	It would happen whoever moved anywhere.
	Men who can't get sexually satisfied.
	Men who can't get married.
	Men who can't settle down.
	Men who can't have kids.
	Remain, I don't know, undomesticated?
	And not in a good way, necessarily.
	Undomesticated like tigers are undomesticated and they just cause lots of problems.
	And you can see, of course, a lot of Middle Easterners pouring into Europe, where, you know, in some countries they're setting up seminars called Don't Rape Please, if you don't mind, if that's alright with you.
	Because they don't have the same ethic, they don't have the same respect for women, they don't have the same, you know, for them the society limits their desires, so they've not got used to limiting their own desires.
	You know, like all the kids who were never allowed to touch alcohol, they get to college and they go blind on moonshine, whereas the kids who have had a little bit of exposure to alcohol, it's not such a...
	And you can see the criminality that's occurring.
	So, I guess I have a question for you, if you don't mind me asking.
	For sure.
	So, you're shy, as you say.
	I'm not shy.
	I'm a misanthrope.
	Oh, you just hate people.
	Maybe that's not the right word either.
	I hate socializing.
	I feel suffocated past a certain time limit, which is usually one and a half, two hours of sitting around and making small talk with people.
	I just want to run away and go home.
	Oh yeah, in a small talk of the tiny black holes into the souls, futures and lives vanish.
	So I don't blame you for that.
	Now, when it comes to white women or white girls, what are your thoughts about them?
	My thoughts or my sexual feelings?
	Yeah, sexual feelings, thoughts, preferences.
	You know, when you're around a bunch of white girls, what are your thoughts and what's your experience of the situation?
	And your desires or preferences?
	Well, sexually, I don't find myself attracted to white women.
	I suffer a little bit of a yellow fever, if you know what I mean.
	Penis points to IQ.
	Got it.
	Yes.
	So, wait, wait, is it any particular Asian... and you're not alone in that, of course.
	I mean, Asian girls, I think, score highest in general when it comes to dating apps and so on.
	And I believe the internet as a whole.
	So do you have a preference for particular kinds of Asian women?
	First, again, Asian women.
	So that would be Koreans, North Chinese, I guess, and all of Japan.
	And have you approached these women?
	No.
	The name's Ryder, Flynn Ryder.
	Are you exposed to them at all?
	Well, I was exposed to a lot of girls, I guess.
	I think the ratio was 60 to 40 over at that university I used to go to.
	60 women for 40 men?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Again, they're not in the science department, but, you know, across the entire campus.
	But they're around, yeah.
	You just go to the sign which says, future dead slave, and you're set.
	Well, maybe not, but the Asian girls are smarter than that, but anyway, go on.
	Right.
	Sorry, what was the question again exactly?
	Well, have you approached the Asian girls that you like?
	Have I tried to ask one of them out?
	No, I have not.
	If that's what you like.
	Right, okay.
	So you prefer Asian girls to, or Asian women, to other ethnicities.
	Is that fair to say?
	Yes.
	Well, this really pertains to back when I really had a sexual drive.
	By now, I think it's been about a decade of me, since the last time I was intimate with anyone.
	So really, use it or lose it.
	I'm beginning to lose all interest and I'm going fully Japanese.
	All right.
	DPS.
	Dusty Penis Syndrome.
	Got it.
	It's a big challenge.
	It's a big challenge.
	And so you're not particularly going to ask anyone out.
	- That's just kind of so, and what do you think your sexual market value would be if you were interested in dating? - Gee, what a question.
	I don't know how to answer this.
	Let me preface it by saying this.
	I definitely saw a drop in the market value the moment I stepped on Canadian soil.
	I have university experience in Iran, I had it here.
	I can tell you, what is the opposite of a sausage fest?
	VaginaFest, I guess.
	That's what we had in my first university experience.
	I think landmines is what most men would call it, but anyway.
	Yeah, lots of landmines and lots of them were beckoning back when I was doing, you know, English language and literature was my first degree.
	Not so much in Canada.
	I think in the five years I've been here, three women have shown any sort of interest in me.
	Two of them were fellow immigrants.
	One of them was white.
	She was from Quebec and she was completely nuts.
	Oh, sorry.
	All you had to say was, she was from Quebec.
	The rest of it is, I lived in Quebec for a while, so yeah, okay, from Quebec.
	I don't know if it even counts as showing interest.
	I mean, she just got drunk one night, called me, said, I want to fuck you.
	And then like two days later, she retracted the whole thing and apologized and said, I have a boyfriend.
	So that really doesn't count.
	But the drop in sexual market value definitely is there.
	Yeah, and that's tough.
	And listen, I remember when I was in college.
	There was a girl.
	Oh, man.
	She was great.
	I mean, I was attracted to her.
	And she was smart and she was funny and sexy and all that.
	And I was naive to the ways of the world.
	And I couldn't figure out why I couldn't really get her to go out with me.
	And then she ended up going out with some pencil neck theater guy.
	And I was just like, oh man, come on.
	But then it wasn't until later, and it was quite a long time later, I realized, well, she was Jewish.
	And he was Jewish.
	And she wouldn't go out with me because I'm not Jewish.
	Got a little bit of Jew way back in the family tree, you know, Germany 1930s kind of thing.
	But, yeah, that was the reality.
	So, I mean, if I went to Israel, you know, I could probably get some recreational dates.
	But as far as any serious settling down go, I would assume that most of the Jewish women would prefer to marry A Jewish man!
	And certainly that would be the case if I was...
	A female, and a gentile trying to date a male who is Jew, because of course it's matrilineal for Judaism.
	But yeah, so I, you know, because normally when I was younger, I mean, I was a pretty good looking guy, and I was like, you know, it wasn't like snap my fingers, but if I wanted to ask a girl out, usually I could find a way to make it happen.
	But this, it was just like, bonk, you know, invisible glass of Judaic rejection, and I didn't really understand it, of course, at the time, because as an atheist, What did I care, right?
	So, extrapolating that particular mentality to a much wider sphere would be, it would be very frustrating.
	And it would also be, you know, one thing that happens with men who are, have low sexual market value is a lot of resentment and a lot of aggression.
	I don't know, since you've got DPS it's probably different for you, but there is a lot of aggression, a lot of resentment, a lot of frustration.
	And that's just the gene saying, gotta find a way to reproduce, and I don't care if it's not that nice, hello Sweden.
	And so yeah, this low sexual market value is really tough.
	And you know, when you think of these, when I think of these Middle Easterners pouring into Europe, and pouring into America, and pouring into Canada, and so on, it's like, well they're what, 74% male, young males, and not a lot of women, and they're not exactly going to go pick up the cheerleaders.
	And it is going to be It is going to be a mess.
	So, as far as whether you can integrate or not, I don't know.
	I mean, it can happen sometimes, for sure.
	I know, you know, I shouldn't say.
	So, I mean, again, not getting into any details, but there was a man who was one of the most significant influences when I was growing up, and he was from Iran.
	Of course, he said that he refused to refer to it as Iran.
	Do you know what he referred to it as?
	Persia?
	Yes, Persia!
	Because he did not recognize what had happened and he was, without a doubt, and I get emotional even just just thinking about him, he's since passed away, another victim of the Canadian health care system, but he was a a great man.
	I would say a great soul if people understand my meaning.
	He was a wise and warm and funny and intelligent and curious and open-minded and a genuinely wonderful human being who had an enormous impact on me throughout my teenage years.
	One of these people that They probably never had any idea the debt that they were generating simply by being such a great person and such a great father.
	Of course, I grew up without a father, right?
	And they simply don't know to what degree they're positively influencing people just by being genuinely and wonderfully themselves.
	And he was a man the like of which I have not An older man the like of which I've not met again and not just because I'm getting older but he was a genuinely wonderful human being who had an enormous impact on me and he was married to a British woman and
	And the kids, again, you know, again, when you start to sort of blend ethnicities that way, I guess they just look Italian for the most part, I guess.
	New note.
	Italy is England plus Iran.
	But he was very successful.
	And he was, you know, what was so great about him, one of the many things that was so great about him, and I've really tried to mirror this in my own parenting, in my own conversational styles, but particularly in parenting, was the degree to which
	important choices in his life he would open up to other people including myself then who was in my early teens and he would listen very seriously to what I had to say and you know growing up as a kid just about anywhere in the world the idea that somebody's gonna ask a question of you that's not rhetorical that's not sarcastic that's not you know I genuinely care about your response and really take it in it was like wow I felt myself materializing from the ghost of being ignored as a child this man incorporated me.
	He brought me into something that was physical and tangible simply by being curious about my thoughts and opinions.
	So I will be forever in his debt and the degree to which his being resonates through me into the world, the world is forever in his debt.
	And I wish I could speak about him more clearly, but he was a genuinely fantastic and wonderful man.
	And, uh, this is the kind of, you know, influence that people can have even if they're unconscious of it.
	And, um, So he, of course, moved and was successful and had a wife and kids, but he was also exceptional relative to his own host culture, which he also would have said, I'm sure.
	You know, the average IQ in Iran, do you know what that is?
	No idea.
	The average IQ in Iran is 84.
	That doesn't sound good at all.
	Well, in fact, not only does it not sound good at all, it's catastrophic.
	You know, one of the great mysteries to me about the world... Oh, the amount of time I poured into this prior to understanding the simple realities of the planet is shocking and appalling.
	You know, when my daughter says, how do I draw a circle?
	When she was younger, I'd say, look, here's how you draw a circle.
	She says, but how do I draw a really great circle?
	It's like, let's get a yogurt.
	Look, we can draw around an apple, an orange, a coin.
	Here's how you draw circles.
	How many times do you think I had to tell her that?
	Once?
	Yeah, once.
	Once, once, once.
	And from the West, from the pinnacle of what has so far been achieved as human freedoms on the planet, which is the Western countries, even as they stand, though they are sinking.
	In the West, the work has been done.
	Hey!
	How do you create a relatively free and civilized society?
	Okay, here's a coin.
	Draw around it.
	You don't have to invent the circle.
	You don't have to invent the number zero.
	You don't have to invent mathematics or physics.
	We've made it user-friendly.
	You're not the first person to invent the cell phone.
	You're the second person to use the cell phone.
	That's quite a lot easier.
	And this is what's so frustrating, is that in the West, of course, there have been things that have been developed.
	The free market, separation of church and state, respect for women, respect for children, and all that.
	And using reason and evidence rather than superstition and aggression to resolve conflicts.
	These things have been developed.
	We put a smooth user-friendly GUI on the underlying philosophical physics of freedom.
	And so the whole world is saying, how do we be free?
	How do we be free?
	We love the West.
	The West is the best.
	We want to get to the West.
	We want to get to the West.
	And people like myself, who are in the West, who understand how all of this works, say, here's how you... People, oh, I just want to draw a circle.
	Man, if I could draw a circle, I'd die happy.
	I say, okay, here's a coin, and here's a pencil.
	Right?
	And then they stab me in the eye with a pencil, and then they go buy a candy bar with the coin.
	That's not how you draw a circle.
	That's how you draw a chalk outline around where I was.
	And that's what's so frustrating.
	It's like, well, why the hell don't people just do what the West does?
	Because when you think everyone's equal, then you think, well, just do what I do.
	It's sort of like not being able to tell differences in body mass.
	You know, like I wear 34 jeans, right?
	And if I think everyone is, you know, just under six foot, 190 pounds and wears 30 size 34 jeans, I'm like, here, I've got some jeans you could wear.
	You know, and Jared from Subway lumbering out of prison can't fit into them.
	Doesn't, doesn't make it.
	And sometimes I feel as if I'm trying to jam them on the fins of a blue whale.
	I'm telling you in whale speak how to get into my jeans.
	Because we don't get that people are different.
	My bra size may be different than your bra size because you're younger.
	I have the bro.
	The man's here.
	And so, why is it that everybody who's got brains in these countries, and of course you sound like a very intelligent fellow, why is it that everyone who has brains in these countries, these third world countries, and these Middle Eastern countries, and these South African countries, and even to some degree these South American countries, why is it that everybody runs to the West, rather than Making their countries look like the West.
	And I know this sounds like a distance from your question about integration.
	I don't think it is.
	So tell me why your family's very smart, why don't they work for change in Iran?
	And please tell me, I'm not saying, well if you like freedom so much, just go home.
	I'm not saying that at all.
	It's a genuine question.
	I think I may have an answer.
	But obviously you're Iranian, I want to hear from you.
	Why come to the West rather than turn the East into the West?
	Well, I can tell you a bit about my family and I can tell you about... No, I don't want to hear about your family.
	I want to know why come to the West rather than... You know, let's say, when I grew up, I lived in an apartment and didn't have much money and we couldn't afford an air conditioner.
	Now then when I had a little bit of money to buy an air conditioner and I'm like wow there are air conditioners and actually I ended up getting it third hand from someone whose father was in the HVAC business but it doesn't matter.
	So I didn't sit there and say well I gotta move from Toronto to St.
	John's Newfoundland so that I can get an apartment with an air conditioner.
	I got an air conditioner and I put it into my apartment.
	And so my question is, if the smart people around the world, and sorry to make you represent them, but just give me your opinion, why come to the West rather than try and turn Iran into the West?
	Because there is no foreseeable potential that within our lifetime... Of course, but why?
	I mean, yes, of course, because you didn't think it could happen, but why?
	Do you think it can happen or why can't it happen?
	Well, I can think of two reasons just right off the bat.
	First of all, there is an avenue open for, you know, the richer or, as you put it, the smarter.
	Middle Easterners to look west and say, hey, I don't have to deal with this shithole.
	I can just pack my bags and go look elsewhere.
	So if you have that... When you say shithole, do you mean that in any kind of negative way?
	Sorry, I'm just kidding.
	But shithole, that is a very strong phrase to use for the very country that gave you birth and apparently birthed all of civilization according to people from the Middle East.
	I mean, would you refer to that in Iran?
	No.
	Shithole is not a reference to the country that gave me birth or gave me life.
	Shithole is a reference to the country that Treated me like I didn't exist.
	As a 15-year-old atheist going to high school, I got death threats from fellow students.
	I got... Oh no, I was going to say, wouldn't being treated like you didn't exist, wouldn't that have been a vast improvement over what happened?
	Probably so, yes.
	You're definitely right.
	Let's rephrase.
	They treated me like I was a pile of cow dung that needed to be stampeded on or something.
	I got kicked out of high school.
	I got very close to getting into serious legal trouble because I was constantly having these back and forths with my teachers at high school.
	I was challenging them on the bullshit that they were teaching us about the government structure, how the head of the state is a divine representative of God, and all this crap, and the Quranic teachings, and whatever, whatever, whatever.
	Sure.
	I mean, you can always stay if you don't have the option to leave that country.
	And had I stayed in that country, I don't know, I probably would have died or something, fighting the government or... Well, you would have been likely imprisoned or brutally punished and we'd be looking at you on an amnesty newsletter, right?
	I think seeing how I cannot shut up when I am around people, which is by the way part of the reason I don't want to be around people because I talk too much, I think by now I would have gotten myself in some sort of serious legal trouble.
	If they hadn't killed me, they would have fined me or something.
	I don't know.
	Okay, so why is it that in Iran this is such a dominant mindset?
	Is it a dominant mindset?
	was dominant enough to run the country and drive you away, right?
	Why was it in part, like, no allies, no one to help you out, you know, the wall of blank, bigoted ignorance being pointed against you and threats and all that?
	I misunderstood.
	I thought you were referring to my mindset as the dominant one.
	Well, yes, this mindset of let's persecute Jews and atheists and, you know, drive them out of the country or drive them out of the existential realm, is because of Islam.
	I blame Islam for this.
	95% of it is Islam and 5% I would say it's the backward Iranian mentality.
	It's funny you brought up IQ.
	Iranians regard themselves as one of the smartest people on this planet and they constantly have to throw in this crap about how 2,500 years ago we had Cyrus the Great and people didn't have bathrooms in the Western world.
	It's like how the Greeks bring up Socrates.
	It's like, you know you all killed him, right?
	It's like the Jews bringing up Jesus.
	Anyway, sorry, go ahead.
	It's a combination of nationalism and Islam.
	Iranians in the West are very generous when it comes to facts and figures about how many people support the Islamic Republic.
	I've listened to crazy people who tell me that 80% of Iranians don't want the Islamic Republic, they're just very scared.
	I don't think so.
	If you asked me, I would estimate that at least 60 or 70% of the people in Iran definitely want some sort of an Islamic establishment to run them.
	I don't necessarily am suggesting they want the Islamic Republic, the Islamo-fascism that we have right now in its current form.
	But I really fail to see how people would get behind the idea of a fully secular, you know, religion this way, state that way sort of a system.
	No, they really want Islam.
	And as long as you have a majority of people in any country that want religion to be involved in their power structure, people like me have to pack their bags, put their tails deep inside their rectum and run away.
	I don't think that's what dogs do, but I think I follow the analogy.
	I don't know if you spend a lot of time around dogs.
	I hope not.
	Sorry, I shouldn't laugh.
	What I would argue is that stupid is a predator and brains are the prey.
	Stupid is a gene set.
	Dumb is a gene set.
	Or you could say it's a deficiency of the genes of intelligence, and the work in identifying the genes for intelligence is progressing despite all political correctness and semi-socialist leftist slash communist hysteria.
	But stupid is a gene set that works best in a bigoted, prejudicial, violent, totalitarian society.
	Stupid people love totalitarianism because they do fine.
	There aren't all of these annoying people around making them feel stupid.
	And so there's an old saying that Sigmund Freud had when the Nazis came and burnt down his office, where he did psychoanalysis, and they burned all of his papers and he fled to America.
	And he said the significant advance is that a generation or two ago they would have burnt me, not just my papers.
	This is as far But you see, I mean, for whatever we think of Freud, he definitely did work pretty hard to bring self-knowledge and self-analysis to the forefront of thinking.
	And that doesn't exactly help Nazis very much, right?
	So, stupid is a predator and brains are the prey.
	So of course they have to drive you out, because if your brains end up creating the kind of society that smart people like to live in, how do dumb people do?
	Society's IQ 84 societies, and for comparison, the average IQ of blacks in America, who aren't exactly doing in a stellar fashion these days, the average IQ for blacks in America is 85.
	So 84, well, for those with an IQ of 84, that's one less.
	And that's tragic.
	But you see, IQ 84 societies are stupid and primitive and brutal and violent and misogynistic and superstitious and all of that, because What other society would they want?
	And they don't have usually the capacity to defer gratification.
	Like, what does freedom of speech mean to someone with an IQ of 84?
	Why would they even want it?
	It's not like, well, if there's freedom of speech, I'm going to publish a wonderful novel.
	I mean, they can barely finish a shopping list.
	And so, dumb is a predator and brains are the prey.
	And this is the win-lose situation.
	Because I would argue that, and you know, confirm with me what you think of this of course, but I would argue that emigrating from a country is fundamentally, or at least primarily, an act of despair.
	It's giving up on the country of origin.
	And I think that needs to be sort of fundamentally understood by people as a whole.
	That it's not some great adventure.
	Like when Europeans emigrated to America in the 19th and early 20th century, it was a complete act of despair.
	They had given up on any kind of reform within their own countries to the point where they're willing to travel for months and risk death just to get to.
	a new country with, you know, four dollars in their pocket.
	It's a de-coup.
	You're uncountry-ing of origin.
	You're de-country-ing of origin.
	You're de-coup-ing.
	Which sounds like you just killed a dove, but anyway.
	This act of despair, I think, is really important and I think it kind of remains unprocessed.
	Like, the reason your family left is, you know, you're smart, able, competent people.
	And you were smart enough to recognize that when you're dealing with a population with an average IQ of 84, you aren't going to set up some new free society.
	Because those people will viciously and virulently usually fight against a free society.
	Because a free society...
	If they had brains, like if you could somehow magically combine a low IQ with the capacity to see into the future and recognize long-term value, which is the complete opposite.
	I mean, IQ, I think, develops as a byproduct of the need to defer gratification in a colder climate, over winter in particular.
	But if you could somehow get stupid people to look over the horizon of future impossibilities, What you'd say to them is, okay, so let's say you just let smart people run society, you have a free society, you got a free market, you separate church and state, freedom of religion, you know, all of the freedom of speech, battle of ideas, let the best idea win and so on.
	Yeah, okay, you're going to lose some power and authority and bossy dominance in the short run, you're going to feel disoriented, but in the long run your society will do a lot better.
	Then Because in the long run, poor people do a lot better, dumb people do not.
	Not that they're the same, but dumb people do a lot better in a society that gains more wealth, but gaining more wealth means that dumb people have to stop thinking they're smart and able to run things, right?
	You know, I'm not smart enough or knowledgeable enough to build my own house, so other people do that for me, because as a smart person, I'm fairly good with my own limitations.
	So if dumb people were smart, they'd recognize that dumb people will fare better in a smart society over the long run.
	But in the short run, right, it's uncomfortable and disorienting.
	Dumb people are very bad at knowing how dumb they are.
	I mean, this is the foundational physics of human interaction, is that, as you say, the group with the IQ of 84, which means half of them are dumber than that, I mean, we're starting to approach not a human population but a geological collection.
	Bags of hammers saying how smart they are.
	It's like, no, no, no, you're not archaeologists.
	You're stuff archaeologists dig out and dust off.
	So you've got an IQ 84 population saying, we're the smartest people in the known universe.
	Only people with an IQ 84, anyway, would even think that.
	So I think that you're fleeing a vacuum of idiocy that you can't win against because you can't physically take on a large and assembled group of idiots, and you can't talk them into being smarter because they're idiots.
	Just like you can't talk people into being taller if they're short, right?
	And so this foundational aspect of de-couing, of emigration, is despair.
	It is.
	There's nothing for me here.
	I gotta go.
	I mean, Luke left to Tatooine because his step parents got murdered and there was nothing left for him.
	And there was some guy saying, Hey, let's go kill together.
	But, um, I mean, it's the same thing with, uh, the Shire.
	I think this foundational despair is something really, really important.
	Because if you can convince people, or not convince them, that sounds like, if you can get them to accept that they come to the West because there's no practical hope of improving their host countries, Then I think you can get people to commit to the West.
	Because that, you know, to me, with immigrants, it's like one foot on the pier, one foot on the boat.
	It's like, pick one.
	And this is why when people say, and it's not a nice way of saying it, I don't like the phrase, love it or leave it.
	You know, if you come to the West and you don't like the West, go home.
	Right?
	This is this in-betweeny phase.
	Like, if I hated my home country enough to go all the way around the world, learn an entirely new language, entirely new culture, risk low sexual market value and belong, then leave that shit behind!
	And I know you have.
	I'm not talking to you.
	I mean, get that, right?
	You left it behind before you even left, which was incredibly brave of you to do.
	But leave that shit behind!
	Like, one thing I don't like about England is the class structure.
	Now, of course, the England I'm talking about, it's 38 years since I left England.
	I have no place to go back to because England is not even remotely the same now than it was in 1977.
	I go back to London.
	London is now a minority white city.
	It doesn't exist.
	Where I left has vanished.
	There's no going back to it, and there's no going to England as if it was ever close to what it was in the past.
	One of the things I disliked about England was the class structure.
	You know, the accent.
	I mean, when I went to boarding school, my dad was basically just buying a plummy accent so that I could get out of the hellhole of my history at some point in the future.
	That's your jetpack.
	That is your Millennium Falcon.
	It's like upgrading your ghetto speak of cockney to something that approaches Christopher Plummer with a plum in his throat.
	So when I came to Canada, I don't like the class stuff.
	It comes out of still this addiction to the royalty, you know?
	Best murder princess in the universe!
	They've had children!
	Let's put on pretty pictures of them!
	And so you leave that behind and it's gross and this is the problem I think that a lot of people who leave their countries, which is an act of despair.
	They leave their countries, they come to a new country, and they feel nostalgia.
	No.
	No.
	You need to take your nostalgia out like a rabid dog, hold it down with your boot, and shoot it in the face.
	And I'm not saying this to you, I'm saying this to people in general.
	Do not feel nostalgic for the country you abandoned.
	That's like getting to a fucking lifeboat off the Titanic and saying, you know, that was a really, really wonderful vessel.
	Wow.
	I really wish I was still on it.
	I could be burping bubbles right now.
	I mean, no, the leaving, like you get off the Titanic because it's gonna sink and kill you.
	And so you leave and you go to the new place and you gotta love the new place and you gotta hate the old place because you were driven out because you were a better person.
	They drove you out because you were a better person.
	And stupid has like a big tidal wave This is stupid, has washed over that country.
	And the smart people, just as is happening in North America and in England and in Europe now, the smart people are all sentimental.
	And the smart people are letting low IQ people wash all over the continent, thinking, well, everyone's got the same size pants, we can just trade.
	No.
	No, you see, if the population currently washed, the Middle Eastern population currently washing into Europe and North America, if they were capable of achieving freedom, they would have done it already.
	If they were capable of drawing a circle, you already showed them how to do it.
	You gave them the pens, gave them the coins, gave them the yogurt cups.
	You gave them 10,000 videos for 150 years or 200 years on how to draw the circle.
	If they were capable of drawing the circle, they already would have done it in their host countries.
	First pill to be made is very difficult.
	Second pill, really quite a lot easier because you already have the recipe.
	And so the first group to invent modern freedoms, the white Western Christian Europeans, that was a bitch and a half, let me tell you.
	Not from personal experience, but you know, as somebody who studied history, that was a bitch and a half.
	Make those free societies.
	Copying that?
	That's a whole lot easier.
	It's the difference between drawing and tracing.
	And if people are too fucking stupid to even copy the freedoms that were developed in the West, then inviting them into the West Anyway, what can I even say?
	You're not going to turn people with an IQ of 84 from a brutal, destroyed, and destroying culture that's misogynistic, hateful, violent, atavistic, superstitious.
	You are not going to turn them into Europeans by bringing them to Europe.
	You're going to turn Europe into where they came from!
	Again, I'm not putting you in this category, a very smart guy, and you got out and all that.
	No, I mean, the stuff you're saying about having one foot on the boat and one foot on the pier, I wish that was the case for at least the majority of the immigrants that come from, let's say, Iran to Canada.
	I don't think that's most of us.
	I got into an argument once.
	First year I was in Canada on campus.
	There was this Iranian guy and I was studying first year calculus with this guy.
	He was a study partner.
	And he was listening to Iranian pop music on his phone.
	He was dressing as though this was not Canada.
	I mean, he was wearing jeans and shit, but the way he worked was very Iranian.
	His hair and everything else, everything about him screamed, I'm an Iranian.
	And his circle was 100% Iranian.
	I told them once, I said, why did you come here?
	If you wanted to simulate Iran in Canada, and if you're essentially living in Iran in Canada, what was the point?
	Just go sit on an ice bucket in the desert, if that's what you want.
	I really don't remember what he said, because I'm pretty sure whatever he said was something very stupid.
	But you're definitely right on point.
	On my part, it was an act of despair and it was more than just a suspicion that I might get into trouble.
	My family has gotten in trouble.
	I came close myself.
	I didn't quite get there myself.
	My dad was thrown in jail for a year for being in possession of a book that had blasphemous ideas in it against the peaceful religion of Islam.
	And my grandfather was thrown in jail under the shop, but maybe dad was deserved because he was a communist.
	So, yeah, I wish it was this bad.
	It isn't.
	Many Iranians are going back home every chance they get.
	They send money back home, and they have their mosques over here, and they have their halal markets, and it's It's crazy and it's profoundly disappointing and depressing to me.
	But they want the best of both worlds, right?
	They want all the cultural support without any of the lack of freedoms that that cultural support inevitably would lead to.
	Exactly.
	Now here's a challenge though, right?
	Let me ask you a question.
	If you really want a tall child And you were a woman.
	Let's go with two theoreticals here.
	If you wanted a really tall child and you were a woman, would you?
	Like if that was the number one thing for you to have a tall child, no tall, like that's the only thing that you care about in terms of being a mom is you want a tall child.
	Would you marry and have a child with a tall Chinese guy?
	Probably.
	Well, I mean, that depends on how the genes for tall are passed around.
	Like, if it's the sort of gene that skips a generation, then probably not.
	Right?
	If you had the choice between, say, a tall European guy or, like, who's the tallest?
	The Nordic race, I don't know, whatever, right?
	A tall European guy and a tall Chinese guy, who would you choose?
	The tall Dutch guy.
	The Dutch are the tallest people on the planet, I know.
	Dutch are the tallest, okay.
	That's why it's the phrase double Dutch.
	Yeah, definitely.
	And why would you want the tall Dutch guy rather than the tall Chinese guy if they both were 6'3"?
	Because the Chinese guy might be an accident, quote-unquote.
	What do you mean, might be?
	Do you know anything?
	You study statistics, calculus, you know what a bell curve looks like?
	Where's the 6'3 Chinese guy on the bell curve?
	Far to the right.
	Far to the right!
	He's so far right-wing, he'll be voting in the next French elections!
	Anyway.
	I know.
	Sad rimshots.
	It's a new year.
	Let me tell you what my New Year's resolution was not.
	To make better jokes.
	So, if you want a tall guy, if you want a tall kid, you're not going to marry somebody on the right-hand side of the bell curve who is a statistical anomaly because of regression to the Sorry, but okay, completely blacked out.
	Regression to the mean, right?
	Yes.
	So regression to the mean, for those who don't know, means that tall people, they're likely going to have taller kids, but they're going to be shorter than they are.
	Whereas short people are likely to have taller kids, but they're not going to be as tall as the average.
	That's the regression to the mean, which is why you don't end up with super tall people and super short people and, you know, families that just, it goes on and on.
	There's a cycle, there's a mix-up, right?
	Yep.
	So here's the challenge.
	Where are you on the bell curve of Iranian intelligence?
	I don't know, Stefan.
	You're asking such impossibly difficult questions.
	I'm really not.
	How can I possibly know that?
	You can know that.
	You can know that.
	I assume you don't know your own IQ, right?
	I haven't taken a test yet.
	Okay, that's fine.
	Can I give you a guesstimate?
	Go for it.
	You have completed undergraduate?
	Two of them.
	Two undergraduates?
	Yes.
	And they were STEM related?
	First one was English language literature, second one was biology.
	Okay, first one will give you 105 to 110, second will give you 115 to 120.
	You listen to this show, right?
	and we'll give you 115 to 120.
	You listen to this show, right? - Extensively.
	Boom!
	Booyah, baby!
	10 extra points!
	I can just hand these things out because I'm not even remotely an expert.
	Everybody gets 10 points more of IQ!
	Actually, they will if they follow the peaceful parenting stuff.
	So, let's say you got 120 to 125.
	Just, you know, this is all bullshit, but it's not total bullshit, alright?
	So, let's say you got 125 IQ.
	125 IQ.
	Now, in an average population of 84, where does 125 IQ land?
	Banishment.
	Well, yeah, but I mean, it's What is beast feed?
	Oh, sorry.
	Mike's giving me a note.
	He says, plus 15 points if you beast feed Steph.
	What does that mean?
	I eat a unicorn's ass?
	What is beast feeding me?
	What the hell is that?
	Sometimes Mike's comments in the show are enormously helpful.
	This is not one of those times.
	I thought you were playing World of Warcraft at the text adventure.
	Plus 15 points.
	Beast feed the Steph.
	You make me so want to help you, Steph.
	I know.
	Sorry.
	Wait, what was I talking about?
	You're referring to gratification being of great value, anyway.
	So, look, I'm no statistician, right?
	But to go, let's just take 85.
	85 to 100 is one standard deviation.
	85 to 115 is two standard deviations.
	84 to 125 is within a stone's throw of three standard deviations, right?
	Now, again, I know you maybe haven't done a lot of statistics, Maybe, Mike, you could look this up if you don't mind.
	If it doesn't involve beast feeding me something which is a snake in my belly button or something.
	But what percentage of people fall into the third standard deviation away from the mean?
	It's got to be tiny.
	Oh, Mike's going to... Mike apparently is unionized just in the last 35 seconds.
	This is one of the few times we actually do a show in the same room.
	And I'm gassy.
	But it is a very, very small percentage of people who fall into the third standard deviation.
	I believe it's 1 in 500 or 1 in 1000.
	500 or 1 in 1,000?
	I think IQ of 154 is 1 in 1,000.
	But IQ 154 is 1 in 1,000 off a base of 100.
	IQ of 125 off a base of 84.
	I don't know.
	I'm beyond.
	I can't do that in my head.
	I don't know if I can.
	But you're very rare, right?
	That's fair to say, right?
	You would definitely be the elite of the elites within the Iranian bell curve of intelligence, right?
	If you say so.
	Thank you.
	Well, no, I mean, you know a little bit about math, right?
	It's okay.
	Like, false humility is just another form of hypocrisy.
	You know how, like, when dumb people are so dumb they think that everything's easy and other people who are smarter idiots and they can do anything they want and then they get really surprised and angry when the world as a whole doesn't agree with them?
	That kind of vanity is the mirror image is the false humility of smart people.
	Look, if you're tall, don't hunch over.
	If you're tall, you're tall, right?
	Okay, so here, okay, so two standard deviations, yeah, so, I don't know, let's just go for, roughly around 0.2% of the population.
	Now, an IQ base of 85, it's not the same.
	IQ base of 85 is much, means that an IQ of 125 is much rarer than just going 30 points up from 100.
	In the same way that a six foot tall person is not that uncommon among Europeans, but it's very rare among Chinese.
	Because pushing the edge of the bell curve, it gets, as you know, exponentially rarer.
	Not just a little bit rarer, but a lot rarer.
	And so, you know, there's arguments that say that because women tend to cluster around the center of the IQ scale, that women who are very unintelligent are extremely rare.
	But women who are super intelligent are also just rare because they thin out at both ends of the bell curve.
	So at the highest end of the bell curve, women show up, you know, 10% or 5% as much as men, which is why there are fewer homeless women and there are also fewer women who get Nobel Prizes and so on.
	So you're extremely rare.
	One in a thousand, one in ten thousand and so on.
	Now here's the challenge, and this is again just going out to the immigrants as a whole.
	So, how many really smart people want to get out of Iran? - Anyone who can and has the financial name, I would suspect would like to.
	So 100% of the smart people, the really smart people, want to get the hell out of Iran, right?
	Probably, yes.
	At least for a temporary time.
	And that's a brain drain, right?
	It means that there aren't smart people left committed to changing Iranian society because they're all hightailing it off to the West, right?
	Definitely.
	Now clearly, that's taking advantage of all the people who did not hightail it out of the West, but stayed and fought.
	Because, you know, the West was as stupid as Iran in the past, it's just that things changed, people sort of stayed and fought, right?
	And look, I'm not saying come back to Iran, I'm not saying that at all, I'm just sort of laying out the general consequences, not for each individual, but for the societies as a whole.
	Is that I completely understand, and I said this in my show about the European migrants, I completely understand why you as an individual would want to get the hell out of Iran, but you understand that when all the smart people are leaving Iran it's not like the society is going to get any better.
	Like one of the reasons why the third world is not improving is all the smart people in the third world are getting the hell out.
	Sure.
	And so it is an act not just of despair about your country, and more than despair, resignation about your country's capacity, but it also becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
	Like, if the West, and I'm not saying it should or would or ever will, but if the West said, no one else who's not white or Western is going to come into the West, and there was no way to get out of Iran, then the smart people would have to turn around and figure out how the hell to make Iran a better place for them to live, right?
	And they, whether that, what form that would take, I don't know.
	But this constant brain drain.
	I mean, it's kind of funny how the West takes all the smart people out of these hell holes and then turns around and says, we've got to give foreign aid because these countries are doing so badly.
	It's like, well, yeah, of course they're doing badly.
	If you take all the tall people out of China, the basketball teams are going to suck, right?
	And so not only is it an act of complete despair, when it comes to resignation, when it comes to the host country, but it is also an act almost of contempt and hatred for the population you've left behind.
	The doctor who abandons the country in a time of plague is without a doubt sentencing people to death, so to speak, right?
	And again, I completely understand what you're doing and I'm not saying I'd make any different choice, but that is the practical outcome.
	of the kinds of choices made by immigrants, right?
	And it means that it's going to have to continue and continue and continue and continue and continue, right?
	Yeah, the country is taking a plunge into the Deepest, pitch dark, abysmal, evil.
	And it's going to keep going because all the smart people get out, which means the country gets worse, which means that even less smart people want to get out, which means the country gets worse, which means even less smart people want to get out.
	Boom!
	You're driving down the IQ of the host population.
	And again, I understand it.
	I really like, I mean, your father got in prison, sent in prison by the religion of peace for having a book.
	I get it.
	But the practical result is that it is because people in the West fought rather than ran that you have some place that you can run rather than fight.
	Right.
	And that's the kind of commitment I think that immigrants should...
	should have to western values.
	Here's the basic reality.
	You know what it's like to live in a complete dung heap of superstitious totalitarianism, right?
	I sure do.
	So, what always amazes me is that, look, I grew up really, really poor.
	And I know I'm talking to someone from around, but, you know, around here it was really, really poor.
	Like, eviction notices, no food, like, really poor.
	Now, when I made a little bit of money... Oh my God, did I kiss that money and hold it to me with gnarled, Gollum-style hands!
	Ah, my precious!
	To the point where it's, you know... Yeah, yeah, Mike's gonna... Mike's gonna turn on a studio light and I'm gonna get a facial tick because I'm just seeing dollars going up in flames.
	It costs money!
	Don't even get me started on Christmas lights.
	Anyway... So, I really, really appreciate Having money.
	Or having made a little bit of coin in my day.
	I got really sick and then I got better.
	Mmm.
	That's tasty.
	You know, one of the great things about getting really sick and then getting better is people are like, hey, do you mind turning 50 this year?
	Nope.
	I really don't.
	I am thrilled to be turning 50 and 60 and 70 and 80 and hopefully on and on.
	Because my goal is to make myself the most valuable human being in the known universe so when they discover immortality, well, I have to be first.
	That's the whole business plan.
	Thank you for your donations to my madness.
	But the immigrants who, like yourself, they should be the ones
	leading the charge for a freer society the infusion of immigrants should be the infusion of a reminder of just how valuable freedom is and they should be like the immigrants should be like screaming bloody murder at the social justice warriors and the thought police and the you know all the people who uh... censor and and need their safe rooms and because you guys know what this shit turns into in the long run you should be like that the guy who barely survived lung cancer should be yelling at the smokers right?
	And this is what's surprising to me about the immigrants.
	When they come into a country that is fast losing its freedoms, that they're not forefront saying, no, no, no, no, no!
	Keep these freedoms, otherwise our journey was for nothing!
	Like, why there aren't more Muslims saying, no, no!
	We just left that!
	What are you doing?
	Don't!
	No!
	Because some of the Mexicans are, and some of the Mexicans, like Hispanics in America, are saying, no, no, no, no, we left!
	We left that behind!
	Stop bringing them in!
	Otherwise this journey was for nothing.
	I move, and everywhere I move they build a jail cell.
	Well, there's really not much point escaping then, is there?
	So, just to return to this sort of height analogy, right?
	So, one of the reasons, I think, why certain groups have a lower sexual market value is that if you're a tall Chinese person and a woman wants a tall child you're going to be lower on the list, right?
	And so if you come from a country with an average IQ of 84 and you're very much an outlier, good for you, but I think there's unconscious concern among women that if they have a kid with you then the regression to the mean is going to cause challenges in terms of the child's long-term IQ development.
	Does that make any sense?
	Makes perfect sense.
	And I don't know how to answer that.
	I mean, and people could say, well, there's nothing to do with genetics, in which case they've got to go argue with the geneticists who seem to be increasingly showing that it is.
	But this explains why some guy from Somalia, which has, you know, an average IQ in the 80s or lower.
	I'm not sure if you can, Mike, if you wouldn't mind checking that, sorry.
	But Somalia has, so the Somali kid comes over and he may be a very smart, brilliant, whatever kid.
	But if he's the equivalent of the tall Chinese person and intelligence is what Western societies run on.
	Like, most parents would say, yeah, I'd rather have a pretty kid, I'd rather have a tall kid, I'd rather have, you know, whatever, right?
	Outside of sort of like a healthy kid.
	But no one ever says, it'd be great if I had a kid with an IQ of 85.
	Because people with an IQ of 85, they may be average in Iran, but they're certainly below average, and a standard deviation below average in Western societies, at least among whites, and even more so among Asians.
	Oh!
	Somalia!
	That would be 68!
	Well, it's fantastic that That the reason America has Obamacare is because Somalis with an average IQ of 68 voted for Al Franken, the comedian who was the deciding vote in Minnesota for Obamacare.
	Excellent!
	And people say, well, if you love a free society, why don't you move to Somalia?
	Yes, because a population with an average IQ of 68 has really worked through all of the theoretical implications of a voluntary society.
	They didn't just happen to be in a building when it fell down.
	Look, they're demolition experts.
	No, they leaned against an old building.
	So when you get people from low IQ populations coming to high IQ places, then what happens is people are worried about having kids with those people in case the regression to the mean produces a less intelligent child.
	And it just struck me now, in the moment, that this is my problem with the Jewish woman that I was hot for in college.
	Because I'm white, she's Ashkenazi Jew, so she's got an average IQ of 115, and I'm a standard deviation below on average at 100.
	Love it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, okay, she might, you know, I mean, for her, it's like, I don't know, one step up from bestiality.
	I'm just guessing, right?
	Hey, look, we got beast feeding in.
	It was a foreshadow, right?
	So, I mean, she's just like, I don't know.
	I gotta tell you that orangutan is pretty hot, but I don't know if I can do it.
	I just, the shaggy arms, I don't know.
	But yeah, so I mean, and that of course is, you know, a whole story that we've gone into on this show before about Ashkenazi Jewish IQ.
	But that may be one of the challenges that you have.
	And it's interesting to me that your yellow fever might be a compensatory mechanism in an attempt to balance out a potential low IQ genetic history with a high IQ genetic history such as an Asian woman.
	Does that make sense?
	It can, or it could be that I'm not particularly tall, and maybe I'm interested in girls who are on average shorter than, let's say, white women.
	You ever whacked off to National Geographic's pygmy specials?
	I don't think I have, no.
	Well... Is there something you'd like to tell us?
	I think I just did.
	It's like that old David Spade joke, you know, I can't masturbate to the surgery channel.
	Or can I?
	No, listen, if you haven't, you know, rubbed one out and buckled your legs over women who, you know, while standing sexy could rest a beer on their heads, I would imagine that it's not necessarily just shortness that's in your penis sites, that it may be something else, right?
	And it's interesting, of course, that Asian women, who I believe You're most likely to get the highest IQ because Asian men have the wider bell curve and so on.
	It's more of a roll of the dice.
	But Asian women are highest on people's sexual market value and they have the most stable and high IQ.
	And who is lowest on sexual market value?
	Black males.
	Black women, I believe, have slightly higher IQs than black males.
	And again, they won't have that sort of wide deviation and so on.
	And so if you actually look at how sexual market value works and you map it to IQ, it actually works pretty well.
	Which is not to say it's fair, but, you know, if Mother Nature casts her favors around randomly, you can't blame anyone for pointing it out.
	I mean, you can, but it just means that you're on the lower IQ part of the spectrum.
	But it's interesting from that standpoint.
	And this regression to the mean is a big, big deal.
	I mean, we had Dr. Jason Richwine on the show, who did a whole study on this.
	And Charles Murray was, Dr. Charles Murray, to be fair, was one of his thesis advisors.
	And he pointed out, he said, look, because immigrants fool, fool people all the time.
	They'll fool the Japanese, who won't let Muslims in to save their life.
	But immigrants fool people because you say, wow, you know, these You know, High End Hersey Alley, who is a freaking brilliant woman, like, oh my god, incandescent brains in her Grace Jones-style head.
	I mean, just fantastic, a fantastically intelligent woman.
	But it's aggression to the mean that's the problem.
	So the first wave of people who come over, say, from Sub-Saharan Africa, well, they're the most energetic, they're the most ambitious, they're the people who've got the resources or the intelligence to find some way to get through all the paperwork and get through all of the barriers towards immigrating.
	Those people are going to have high IQs.
	And people are like, wow, these people are fantastic.
	I can't imagine why Africa is doing so badly.
	Let's dump plane loads of foreign aid on Africa and blah.
	Right?
	It's like, no, they're very much the exceptions.
	The tall Chinese guys in the NBA don't mean let's build an entire NBA team out of randomly selected Chinese people.
	It's not going to work!
	They're the exceptions!
	And Jason Richwine has done studies where he says, look, the IQ of first-generation Hispanics and their success is higher.
	Because the second generation Hispanics are doing worse than the first generation Hispanics because of the regression to the mean.
	The first generation of Hispanics, I think Mexico has an average IQ again in the 85s to 90s, and so the first generation of the IQ 110, 115, whatever, they come over, they do well, but then the regression to the mean, especially if they're marrying within their own culture, if they can, I guess, corner some Japanese ladies and woo them with sombreros and Little tiny guitars!
	Good, right?
	Whatever, right?
	But the reality is that the very intelligent Hispanics come over, the very intelligent Blacks come over, the very intelligent Middle Easterners come over, and everyone's like, wow, this is great!
	Let's get more of these people!
	But if there are genetic elements to IQ, and they marry within their own communities, in particular with the Muslim community, which there's no ban on marrying cousins.
	Yay, genetics!
	Then what happens is the next generation does really badly.
	And then you know what?
	White people get to hear until the end of time.
	Racism!
	Racism!
	And it's like, it's not, it's just mother nature's a bitch.
	Sorry, can't help you.
	People separated by 50,000 years of wildly disparate environments end up with different things in their heads.
	So, yeah, so I just wanted to sort of point out that, and of course, very smart people, I mean, people don't get their kid's IQ tested in general unless there's some very obvious dysfunction.
	So really smart people You know, two Hispanics with an IQ of 110, they get together and they have kids, and the kid's gonna have an IQ, I don't know, maybe 90 to 95.
	And then the kid doesn't do very well.
	Kid doesn't do very well.
	Kid's not getting really good marks in school.
	And because they don't know anything about genetics or IQ or regression to the mean, they're like, well, the problem is with the school system.
	The problem is with a racist society.
	Then the kid doesn't get hired.
	And the kid doesn't get a job at Google.
	And the kid can't get into college.
	And everybody gets really mad.
	Because these people say, well, it's got to be racism.
	Well, if it's racism, why can't I get into college because there are 400 Japanese guys ahead of me?
	It's not racism, it's IQ and genetics.
	And I wish it wasn't.
	I desperately wish it wasn't.
	But it's important to know.
	Listen, I'm a smart guy.
	Is my daughter likely to be as intelligent as I am?
	No.
	Is she likely to be more stable than I am?
	I can hope so.
	As does everyone around her.
	But the reality is she's not likely to be as intelligent as I am, assuming that I'm on the upper end of the curve, which I don't have any doubt because, you know, I'm bold and I'm smart.
	I've got to be honest about things that I can do and things that I can't.
	So, knowing that, you know, if she takes a while to learn stuff, that's perfectly natural.
	That's perfectly natural.
	And to expect it to be, you know, you don't, if you've got a D1000 dice, you don't roll a thousand twice in a row usually, right?
	I mean, so, a basketball star's kid is not likely to be a basketball star.
	Maybe he will.
	You know, Natalie Cole, Nat King Cole's daughter, who had a lovely voice.
	She died after, I guess, she had hepatitis C from needles and substance abuse and all Whitney Houston-style decadence.
	But, yeah, she had a great singing voice.
	However, the child of a singer may be slightly more likely to have a good singing voice.
	But, like, I guess there's Achy Breaky Heart Guy and his I guess newly fanged satanic hellspawn Miley Cyrus, and she's got a very nice voice.
	Very nice voice.
	So happy together.
	There's a little clip of her on YouTube doing it with some comatose hippie band.
	Very nice voice.
	And so they both got good voices, but you don't want to put a lot of money on the son of a famous singer having exactly the same kind of voice.
	Now, when I went to see Queen and Adam Lambert, the drummer, Roger Taylor brought out his son, who I guess is 13 or 14, and his son was drumming.
	And drumming well, from what I can tell.
	I mean, not Bruno Mars-style well, and not drummer from Rush-style well, but, you know, well.
	Now, that's, you know, a little... You don't need... With the voice, you need the actual physical instrument.
	You can train it to some degree, but you need the physical instrument, and that's different from drumming in someone that's more genetic.
	Drumming is more environmental, I would assume.
	So that, I think, is one of the great challenges of immigration.
	And the last thing I wanted to mention, and I appreciate you letting me have this room to share my thoughts, but I was thinking about your question, of course, today quite a bit and chatting about it.
	These days, I used to go back to just philosophy, but now I go back to evolutionary biology.
	It's not the only place to go to, it's a good first place to go to.
	And I guess, Brandon, my question would be, why would we develop the capacity to integrate with other tribes?
	Why would?
	Because everything that you get It's opportunity costs.
	Evolution is all about opportunity costs.
	Everything you get is something you don't get.
	In fact, it's everything else you don't get.
	I mean, if I've got a left arm, it means I don't get a tentacle in the same place, which is obviously a shame sometimes if I'm sliding down something.
	But why, and particularly males, why on earth would we develop the ability to integrate into foreign races, ethnicities, and tribes?
	Because we'd have our own tribe, and certainly in the hunter-gathering phase of our existence, tribes were very, very scattered.
	Like, it took hundreds and hundreds of square miles to support even one Small tribes so we were very scattered and if you ran across another tribe You usually didn't either fight them or just kind of maybe a little bit of trade or whatever But there was not you didn't integrate with them now when tribes got bigger agriculture happened and tribes began to overlap you didn't integrate with other tribes for the most part if There was conflicts between the tribes the men would be killed and the women would be taken as concubines
	Because kill the sperm, steal the eggs, that is the weird fairy tale that society has gone through.
	So why on earth would men ever have the ability, or genetically have the ability, to interact or adapt to a new culture?
	And if you were taken as a slave, Certainly if you were taken in a slave to the Islamic countries you would be most likely castrated and your kids if you had any for whatever reason would be killed and so there was no genetic advance for that kind of integration.
	So why would there be any brain development that will facilitate the integration into new tribes, because I can't ever see in history when that would happen.
	And the interaction of races, separated by thousands of miles, by giant oceans, by, you know, impossible mountains and crazy rivers and so on, like races just would barely interact as a whole.
	So why on earth would we have this magical capacity to interact and integrate with other races?
	I just don't know how that could ever have even evolved.
	And I think that goes towards your earlier theory, the name of which escapes me, around sort of, you know, 15 and after.
	Now, of course, we want to adapt.
	We're born blank slate as far as culture goes.
	We want to adapt and integrate into our local cultures because we don't know whether we're going to be born into a Laplandic culture or Islamic culture or an African culture or whatever.
	So we're going to adapt early on.
	But later on, I don't see why we would have ever developed the capacity to interact with wildly divergent cultures, given how rarely they interacted and how when they did interact, it was kill or be killed, not integrate or wait.
	Does that make any sense?
	It makes perfect sense.
	There is no evolutionary justification for having any sort of vacancy on your brain to allow you to accept more data.
	If by the age of sexual maturity you don't have what you need to conform to the rest of the tribe, then what's the point of, you know, keeping that active to allow you to integrate to, say, a secondary or a tertiary tribe?
	It doesn't make sense to me either, so I'm definitely... Yeah, you get two sets of teeth, not this conveyor belt of teeth just keep coming along, right?
	Yeah, because, I mean, as a man, if you lose the fight, you're either enslaved or killed, in which case you're not integrating.
	And if you win the fight, then you take the women by force, and it's not like you have to woo them then, right?
	And so, I mean, you see the Islamic State at the moment is putting out, oh, they found lovely little brochures about the rules for having sex with slaves you've captured in battle.
	It's lovely.
	It's just delightful.
	I know we had a big tour.
	Is there anything that you wanted to add before I move on to the next caller?
	And I really, really appreciate the call and I appreciate your thoughts on the matter.
	I appreciate your time as well.
	I guess I'm going to put myself in the shoes of the listener and make two quick conclusions before I say goodbye to you.
	So, conclusion number one is if you immigrate to a new country as a festive immigration, You're going to have a very, very tough time, and I hope some people are listening to this who are thinking about integrating.
	Your second generation, you're going to have lots of tension and arguments around the house because your kid is going to be exposed to a whole bunch of stuff that you haven't been exposed to.
	By the third generation, maybe you will have some sort of integration, whatever the hell your definition of integration is.
	Second conclusion is...
	One value we could bring to Western society, and by we, I mean we from Middle Eastern countries, or any country that's run under some sort of theocracy, religious or any country that's run under some sort of theocracy, religious or political, is that we can tell you what it's like to live under all these beautiful things that you think are Islam is peace.
	Communism is brilliant.
	If you let us tell you, and nobody wants to talk in Western countries.
	People run away from you the moment you want to tell them anything.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	What do you mean so people don't want to hear about what it's like to live under the joyful caliphate of the desert?
	What that means is whenever I try to engage anyone in a conversation about, hey, you know how you have Muslim friends?
	Did you ever ask them about, you know, freedom of speech, this sort of thing?
	They go pale.
	The moment you bring up these questions, the moment I say something that's slightly negative or seems to be negative about Islam, people run and run the other way.
	They never want to listen to any of it.
	And at work, their excuse is, we are here to work, we don't want to have this sort of conversation.
	At university, their excuse is exactly the same.
	And, OK, so where do we speak?
	At dinner parties, it's supposed to be small chats and, you know, jokes and let's all have fun.
	So when the fuck is the time to have any sort of real dialogue?
	Do you want to take that now?
	I'm happy to give you the time.
	If you've got stuff that you wanted to say to people, this is a pretty good platform for reaching millions of people.
	If you want to tell them, I'd love to hear because this is the kind of stuff I'm fighting for and against.
	So you have the platform if you want it.
	What was it like?
	Well, I'll say one thing and I really hope the second quarter isn't hating me profoundly too much right now.
	Muslims and communists have similar arguments in many respects.
	One of them is 1,400 years and we still haven't had Islam.
	What you see in Saudi Arabia, what you see in Iran, this isn't Islam.
	We still haven't gotten it right.
	And communists will pretty much tell you the same thing, 200 years of communism, we still haven't gotten it right in Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea, blah blah.
	So what do you want?
	Would you like to give you, say, two more millennia and let you finally figure out, here are three human lives.
	Go out there and experiment.
	Islam doesn't work.
	In Iran, I really don't see how any of the things that are happening are in direct contravention or contradiction to anything that we have in the Qur'an.
	If anything, sometimes they deviate from the Qur'an in the good direction, meaning they leave behind some of the horrible stuff.
	So it used to be the case that if you were, the word escapes me, if you have some sort of extramarital relationship, what's the term for that?
	If you have an affair?
	No, the legal term.
	Anyway, it doesn't matter.
	It used to be simple, like the first ten years after the Islamic Revolution, they would flog you and they would possibly kill you.
	Nowadays, they seem to be more inclined to fine you for it, or get you in some sort of legal, as opposed to Sharia-oriented trouble.
	So yeah, I'm sure many people in Canada have Muslim friends and they will tell you endlessly how these people are nice, they're moderate, they want no part of extremism or whatever.
	Well, do a little test, okay?
	Everybody is peaceful.
	If you're working with them, typing on a keyboard for 10 years and you never engage them in any sort of dialogue.
	Yeah, engage them.
	They have valuable information to share with you, I'm sure.
	But don't tell me that these people are all moderate and they're all peaceful and you've never subjected to any sort of test.
	Because I think that's kind of necessary.
	Oh, no, I have no doubt about that.
	I mean, just ask, is Sharia law the right way to run a country?
	No, I think that those conversations do need to be had, but for very obvious reasons people are chicken to have them.
	And of course, you know, there are people who've tried to have conversations with Muslims in the workplace.
	I believe there was a Jew recently in San Bernardino who tried to have a conversation about Islam with a young Muslim in the workplace and it did not end Super well for him.
	So I appreciate your conversation.
	You're welcome back anytime.
	And thank you, Stefan, for having me on the show.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	And keep us posted about how you're doing.
	And if you have any other topics, you're welcome back.
	Have a good New Year.
	Take care.

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