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July 13, 2019 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
01:25:03
Why Feminism Hurts Women: What They Won't Tell You!
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The recent War on Men show with Susan Venker was a major wake-up call for me.
While I am a woman, my whole life I have most admired masculine ideals.
Toughness.
Courage.
Rationality.
And my interests and hobbies reflect this.
Have I subconsciously sabotaged my sexual market value?
That's from Madison.
Well, hello.
How are you doing tonight?
I'm doing well.
How is it going in the Great White North?
It is white with Tatooine style sunshine these days.
Yes, I got a Star Wars reference.
That's right.
I didn't get a bad camera.
I'm just slowly turning orange.
So how old are you Madison?
I'm 27.
27.
All right.
What's the evidence you think that you might have sabotaged your sexual market value?
So I've only had one boyfriend in my life.
I haven't, I mean, I've done, I wouldn't say a lot of dating.
I'm just, I've done a lot of first and second dates.
Um, I don't, and I just, I don't know.
I'm so, you know, I'm getting, I'm 27.
I've been listening to your show.
I'm starting to like, and, and like I said in the email, um, you know, the show with Suzanne Vanker was, was just like kind of hit me with a ton of bricks, like, Oh my gosh!
She talked about how women are becoming more masculine and men are becoming more feminine and I listened to that and I thought, oh man, that's me.
So it's all of that and then just little things like also what I said in the email, just my hobbies and interests, they're all masculine and so I'm starting to think, have I scared away men?
Am I, you know, seen as a competitor and not something, you know, not like someone to be desired?
So I've got all these questions in my mind.
Yeah.
And listen, I've heard these same stories as well.
These same theories.
I was just talking about this today with some friends, just about how there was some commercial on Canada on the Canadian.
I think it was on, it was on YouTube, but I think it was something.
And the commercial was, you know, this little girl saying, all my life I've wanted to play rugby and everyone told me I couldn't because I was a girl.
And it's like, that never happens.
No, it doesn't.
In fact, I think sometimes it could happen a little more.
You know, like, okay, has anyone ever said to you, you can't because you're a girl?
Never.
Never.
No.
Never.
I asked my daughter, any happened?
No.
Right?
I mean, yeah, occasionally so.
You know, women who, I don't know, like doing construction might get a couple of funny jokes or condescending things from time to time.
Well, so what?
I mean, every time I cry on camera, you know, there's six million comments of, man up!
Stop being leaky!
You're making me uncomfortable.
It hits me right in the feels.
So, um, I mean, it's not like men don't get these, you know, I really wanted to have emotions and everyone told me I couldn't because I'm a man.
It's like, No, no, it's all about what imaginary conversations happen with women or girls about rugby, not what happens every single day to every man who has a shred of passion beating in his heart.
Anyway, so there's this myth out there that's really always been annoying to me, which is, you know, men, what do we want?
Well, we want to kind of empty headed pliable little Barbie doll that we can pose and he'll make us sandwiches.
And I've just, I've never met a man like that.
I've never known a man.
I mean, maybe they're, I'm sure they're out there.
Right.
But I've just, I've never met a man who says, well, you know, I went on the date with this woman and man, she had great stuff to say.
She was a really good conversation.
She's a very interesting woman.
Well-read, articulate, intelligent, curious.
So I never want to have sex with her at all.
I never want to have... Now, if she had a friend who stared vacuously at me, while aiming a glass of water at her mouth, but weirdly hitting her eyeball, that would be the one for me.
I've just never... I've never... And there's this... I don't know where it comes from.
I think it's women who are nasty.
You know, smart and nasty.
And they say, well, men don't want me because I'm smart.
It's like, nope.
It's the nasty thing that you got going on.
It's the aggressive, you know, like if you're the kind of woman who thinks that a man isn't going to like you because you're intelligent, no intelligent man is going to like you.
Not because you're intelligent, but because you have that opinion of men.
Right?
And so there are a lot of nasty, insecure, aggressive, volatile bitches out there who've created this myth that even though they're nasty, volatile, aggressive, manic bitches, The only reason that men don't like them is because they've read Virginia Woolf.
Nope!
Not really.
So this myth is nonsense.
Look, any man with any intelligence knows that dating, you know, in the sort of national natural scheme of things in the domino of things, dating leads to boyfriend, girlfriend leads to fiance leads to marriage leads to a lifetime together.
Now, a lifetime together That's a mighty long time.
That's a mighty long time to watch someone accidentally put water into their eyeball and not be able to answer a simple question about current events.
You know, that's a much you spend a lot of your time not having sex in this world.
I'm telling you, it is decidedly less of a wall to wall bangathon that Magazines I discovered early told me it was going to be.
Never happens!
You spend a huge amount of time not having sex.
In fact, you spend a huge amount of time, well, you spend more time having sex until you get the point of sex, which is kids, and then you spend a whole lot of time not having sex.
So it can't be sex appeal.
That can't sustain a marriage.
And so what happens?
You've got to have some ability to have a conversation.
You've got problems to solve in this life.
You have financial challenges.
You have big career decisions.
You have quit your job and be a podcaster, you lunatic decisions, right?
And you need somebody who's got some brains because you spend a lot more time talking than having sex in a relationship.
And so any man with any brains knows that he wants to hire someone or wants to settle down with someone.
Sorry, I was thinking about turning it into a sort of a hiring analogy, but I won't.
Any man with any brains knows that he wants to settle down with a woman who's going to have some brains herself.
And a roughly equivalent amount of brains, right?
If you go with someone who's super smarter than you, are they going to get bored?
If you go with someone who's dumber than you, then you're going to get bored.
So, you know, somewhere around parity is where you want to be.
So you can grow together.
And also, That person is going to share your genes in raising a child and of course and making a child.
So you want somebody who's kind of smart because that's going to be the genetics that mix into your kid.
And given that there's a lot of genetics in intelligence, you kind of want to mix that good sauce in with your good sauce, not some piece of oil and pigeon dropping that mixed with your good sauce does not make a very tasty dish.
So you do and that person is going to be raising your child and that person needs to have intelligence, good verbal skills so you can negotiate.
The one thing that's true about dumb people, they're really bad at negotiating because negotiating requires verbal skills and intelligence and so on.
It doesn't mean they can't, it just means in general on average they're not as good.
So if you don't want to get divorced you want a smart woman because the higher the IQ the less likely there is to be a divorce.
And should there be a divorce, she's going to be smart enough to know she shouldn't just nuke the whole thing and call in all the lawyers and accuse you of all these terrible things and so on.
So any man with any brains is looking for a woman with brains.
And that's what I was doing.
You know, I was like the guy wandering up and down the beach with a metal detector just looking for silver quarters or something.
I'm like, any brains?
Any brains?
Nice cleavage?
No brains.
All right, you're tall.
Still no brains.
Nice hair?
No brains.
And then the moment I found a woman with brains, I fastened on her like a shock on a Florida swimmer.
Just don't let go.
And, uh, you know, so I dated a lot and went out with a lot of people.
And then when I found a woman who had real brains and, and real integrity and real virtue, met her, we got engaged in a couple of months.
We got married in 11 months and we've been together ever since.
And that's where we're going to stay.
And, um, I'm sure she was just relieved to find somebody who had some brains as well.
So this myth and it's a terrible, it's a terrible thing.
It's a terrible thing.
You know there's so much that feminists say that is so unbelievably destructive and you know I'm right with Milo Yiannopoulos when he talks about this to give credit where credit is due where he's saying you know feminists teach fat women to sort of accept themselves and be fine with being fat and he says it's men are visually attracted to creatures and obesity.
We recoil from obesity in similar ways and using similar biological mechanisms that we recoil from disease because obesity is, well, it is anti-fertility.
It makes you a lot less fertile, a lot less able to raise kids, a lot less able to deal with the strains of raising kids and so on.
And so, yeah, this like be as fat as you want and you should just love yourself, that's terrible, terrible advice.
And it's miserable people wanting to spread their misery through the meme of fat acceptance.
And another one that is – I don't know about equally dangerous but another feminist myth that's put out that is horrible is the one that we're talking about now which is that men don't want an intelligent woman.
I mean, dear God alive, what is that supposed to say about men?
And what does that do to women who constantly get the message, not from men, not from men, but get the message from feminists?
Well, you know you.
You can't ever show that you're smarter than the man.
You can't ever show that you can beat him in chess.
You can't ever show that you know more than him.
You can't ever out-argue him.
Because he's going to get weird and freaky and defensive.
He's like, yeah, if he's a loser, he will.
In which case, move on.
But this is a terrible, because it is such a, it is such a slander.
against the character of men to say, well, I don't want a woman who can out argue me.
I don't want a woman who can do things better than... Listen, let me tell you something, ladies.
As men, we can do so many things better than women.
We don't need you to be dumb.
Now, to be fair, women can do so many things better than men, but any man is like, hey, let's have an arm wrestle.
Hey, let's run up a mountainside.
Hey, let's win a war.
Hey, let's build something.
Hey, let's hook up a stereo.
Hey, let's program a computer.
Hey, let's build civilized... I could go on, so I won't.
But you know, there's so many things that men can already do better than women.
Hey, let's inhabit both wild ends of the IQ scale.
No, women will cluster around the middle.
Men will be super smart or liberals.
And So men can already do, you know, I don't need to dominate my daughter because I can already do so many things better than she can.
Now there's some things she can do better than I can for sure.
But men don't need to dominate women because we're already so good at so many things that women are just not as good at.
And again, vice versa, I don't think women need to dominate men because there's lots of things that women are better at.
than men as well.
But the idea that, you know, I need to always feel superior to or smarter than or whatever, all that, that's all projection.
That's just crazy people thinking that other people are crazy because they're crazy.
That's all.
I mean, who is intolerant of competition?
It's not men.
It's feminists.
You go into a women's studies classroom and you start bringing up the actual facts about rape statistics?
Do they welcome your contribution?
Do they enjoy the challenge?
No, not at all.
Hell no!
They'll try and destroy your life!
You know, that's like, that's like, that's like you beat your boyfriend in chess and he sets fire to your car.
I mean, that's not good!
At all!
So when feminists say, well, you know, guys don't really want smart people around them because they're so insecure that they'll just hate you for it, it's like, no, no, no.
That's not men.
That's a mirror.
Now it's true that they may both have mustaches, the men and the mirror, but that doesn't mean that the mirror is the man.
These are feminists.
Feminists can't stand it when people challenge their narrative.
That's what they, they either lash out, Trigglypuff style, or they have to run and sob screaming into their huggy pet rock Armchair beanbag hug rooms.
It's the feminists who can't handle intelligent challenges to their theories.
It's got nothing to do with what men want in women.
It's what feminists don't want in anyone around them, which is any kind of brain and assertiveness.
I mean, because they've got a narrative that can't stand even the light of the moon, let alone the light of day.
So no, I mean, I wouldn't.
And you've heard this, right?
Have you ever had that impulse?
You know that sort of the movie Mean Girls where it's like oh I can't be a mathlete because then the boys won't like me.
It's like yeah yeah that's right that's right absolutely.
Men never want to play chess with women.
No of course not because you can play I guess chess where every piece you lose you take off a piece of clothing but men never want women to play their video games with.
I mean the whole ideal of a gamer guy is to get a gamer girlfriend who'll play games with him in the nude or whatever right?
This idea, like, when I was an objectivist, I go to these objectivist meetings.
And, and we, you know, we chat about how tough it was sometimes to find a woman who was into Ayn Rand.
And, and then a woman would walk in.
Whoa, whoa, everybody stop talking.
You might scare her off.
There's a woman in the room who likes Ayn Rand, who's not actually Ayn Rand, although I'd probably still bang her.
But there's a woman in here who likes what we like.
Nobody make any sudden moves.
Okay, I'm going to make a sudden move.
So I mean, so there wasn't anything like, oh, man, I can't believe there's a woman in here who likes Ayn Rand.
She's going to compete.
Like everyone was like, go to a libertarian meeting and you know, look for the attractive libertarian females in the room.
Well, you won't be able to see them because there'll be eight or nine neck bearded guys around them, well armed, trying to get them in conversation.
And this happens pretty, pretty regularly.
Once It is confession time.
Once I went to a Dungeons and Dragons convention.
Hey, no judgments here.
I mean, I play tabletop games now and then, so.
No man will ever date you.
I'm kidding!
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
But I did, and there were a few women there, and the guys were all like, hey, come play at our table.
You know?
Come play at our table.
I'll give you bonuses.
Or whatever, right?
And it doesn't happen.
When I was Oh, man.
So when I was a manager, right in tech company, I interviewed and hired so many people.
It was crazy.
But anyway, I just remember one time there was a woman who walked in and physically she was very, very attractive.
And she was also a very good coder and she had good marks in school and all that.
And the guys weren't like, Hey, man, don't hire her because she's a woman and we don't want her to be equal to us in coding.
What do you think they said, Madison?
Oh, like hire her now.
I will give her my salary.
Just bring her eggs into proximity.
So I've never, I've just I've never, you know, I've never, I mean, how many guys are into objectivism, Ayn Rand or whatever?
And how many of them say, wait, that's a woman?
Oh, oh my god.
I was like, oh, I don't care.
I don't care.
And so this myth that boys don't like intelligent, assertive women is ridiculous.
It is feminists in particular who don't like intelligent and assertive women.
And look at how they treat intelligent and assertive women.
Go and ask a feminist what she thinks of Ayn Rand, or Margaret Thatcher, or Ann Coulter, or Sarah Palin.
Or XXX, Christina Hoff Summers, who go and they'll be like, right?
It's like, no, no.
So you're the ones who don't like intelligent and assertive women who have good arguments.
You're the ones who don't like intelligent and assertive women because they will unravel your whole feminist fantasy.
of victimhood and patriarchy and all that bullshit.
It's not men who don't like intelligent, assertive women.
It's feminists!
But because all leftist doers ever project, they imagine that their own hostility to the unraveling of their Marxist fantasies represented by intelligent, assertive women, they imagine that that's just men out there!
Everything that the feminists accuse the patriarchy of doing is exactly what these pear-shaped women in comfortable shoes are always doing, other than not shaving or bathing.
It is.
You can just go through.
I won't do it now.
But now, do you mind if I draw that around to a close and start actually asking you questions like this?
Thank you for your patience.
So you said my whole life I've most admired masculine ideals, toughness, courage, rationality.
But you talk about admiring or embodying and those two things I can admire a dancer without joining him on stage and dancing, right?
Yeah, yeah.
So when you say you admire masculine ideals, but your interests and hobbies reflect not just an admiration of them, but an embodiment of them.
So I wonder if you can help me unravel that.
Yeah.
So just to give kind of an example, you know, I'm interested in science my whole life.
You know, when I was a kid, All of my favorite books were about dinosaurs and space and stuff like that.
I'm into war history and guns and politics.
Heck, I listen to your show.
Martial arts, that kind of thing.
I went to what essentially could be called trade school.
And so I have a job that has been more traditionally a male-dominated field.
Sausage Fest.
Sorry?
Sausage Fest.
Yeah, you could say that.
So those are just some examples of things that I do.
And for instance, I'm very close with my father and so a lot of the things that he's interested in, I'm interested in.
And I have always Loved his type of humor.
You know, he's very sarcastic and I'm sarcastic.
So, yeah, like different things.
Yeah, just different things that I am interested in and things that I do are more masculine.
And what's your relationship like with your mom?
Oh, it's wonderful.
My mother is a terrific person.
She's great.
Great.
You have a great man, who's a husband, who chose a great mom, who's, you know, that's great, who's his wife.
That's a good combo.
I never like it when people say, Oh, I love my, I love my father to death.
He's a wonderful man.
My mother's completely insane.
I'm like, Whoa, hang on.
Um, so yeah, there's something funny that, um, Men insult each other all the time but don't mean it, and women compliment each other all the time and don't mean it.
What are your mother's gender stereotypical interests like?
Oh, she's into quilting and crafting.
be funny um so what's your what are your mother's sort of gender stereotypical interests like oh she's she's into quilting and crafting i mean i'll give you like the best example is so in in my parents house i mean they they built the house oh probably 12 or 13 years ago
um you know worked with an architect and everything and my mom in the basement got an entire craft room that's just dedicated to like scrapbooking and stamps and you know her her sewing machine and everything and it's like it i'm not even joking it's an entire room and she has two closets just full of decorating stuff like just You know, all of that.
Oh, and she was, she was a hairdresser, uh, before, you know, before she started having kids and, um, you know, she's into clothes and doing her nails, stuff like that.
I, I hate to say it, Madison Mitchum-Armstead sounds kind of gay.
Just kidding.
Okay.
So she's very much a fembot as far as that goes, right?
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And, and so, and like my whole life growing up, Especially once I became a teenager, she would say things to me like, why do you try to be tough?
Why do you try to be like that?
And I'd be like, I don't know.
I'm just tough.
This is just who I am.
So she kind of thinks that I try to be masculine.
Does she have any theories as to why?
No.
I'm not saying it's true.
Obviously it's not.
You're saying it's not true.
I'm going to accept your word.
Does she have any idea as to why you might be doing that?
You know, I've never asked her that.
Because usually, I mean, if you want to know why people are, I didn't say insulting you, if you want to know why people have theories about you, ask them what purpose those theories would serve.
Yeah, yeah, I should do that.
And that can be quite revealing.
Yeah.
Yeah, she actually, she actually listens to this show.
So I'll, yeah, I'll have to ask her.
I like quilts.
That's just something in case she's falling asleep.
She has an urge to send a quilt somewhere.
It's an odd question to ask and it sounds kind of Freudian, but if you were to get married, would you like to marry a man in the personality vicinity of your father?
Yes.
of the men that I'm sorry.
This is not funny.
Okay, a little bit.
Oh, no, it's not funny.
All right.
So Madison, of the men that you've met, how many would you say are in the personality vicinity of your father?
You mean, just men in general, or like men that have the potential of like men in your age group who might be potential dating material?
Oh, That's a good question.
You know, you know what letters make up the word ooh?
A whole lot of zeros.
Ooh, zero, zero, zero, goose egg, goose egg bagel.
Okay, so this is important, right?
You want a man like your dad.
And listen, he sounds like a great guy.
Yeah, I mean, I'm projecting but it sounds like a great guy.
Manly and sarcastic.
Maybe I could find a way there.
But he's not bald though.
I'm sorry?
He's not bald.
Look, I didn't say he was perfect.
Obviously, he has some shaggy floors.
But see, because I'm bald, I don't have to worry about doing my hair, which allows me to spend more time focusing on my ladies.
So not that I'm saying your dad spends a lot of time doing his hair, please don't have him beat me up.
Or wall me in somewhere.
So zero.
Oh, come on.
27, you've not met any category.
I'm not saying you're wrong.
I mean, you could well be right, but that's a little surprising, don't you think?
Yeah, and I don't mean to say that there's zero.
It's just I have to think about it because, yeah, I mean, I've grown up in the generation of men that have been told not to be masculine.
So I don't know, probably 50-50.
And I actually grew up in a culture that's quite conservative, so traditionally it's leaned more away from the feminist stuff, but it's definitely out there.
You said conservative, does that mean, and I don't mean this in a negative way, does that mean sort of churchy?
Oh yes, I'm a Mormon actually.
So that would be churchy.
Yes.
I'm not an expert.
Yeah.
Wait, are you saying that post Donny Osmond there aren't a lot of masculine Mormons?
You know, it's funny you bring up the Osmonds because, like, they're a little bit of a joke, kind of.
No, no, they're a little bit country.
And a little bit rock and roll.
Ha, ha, ha.
Sorry, go on.
A little bit of a joke in the Mormon community?
A little bit of a joke, if I might say so.
Well, I mean, just any Mormon that gets national exposure, I mean, we all kind of bite our nails a little bit.
Like, oh, what are they going to do that's going to make us look like we're crazy weirdos?
Glenn Beck!
Sorry, go on.
Oh my gosh, Glenn Beck!
Something you wanted to mention about GB?
Oh, just, you know, I used to listen to his show.
He used to make a lot of sense.
And just in recent years, man, He's gotten weird and I think he's just surrounded by all these yes men that build his weird ego and now he's rubbing his face in Cheeto dust.
That was not a good call.
No.
Listen, I'm not obviously anywhere near as famous as Glenn Beck and I'm not really that super, super savvy about his level of public interaction, but I've got to tell you, If someone can give something that just makes you look completely retarded, it's usually a good idea to not do that thing.
Yeah.
Not an argument!
Cheetos are not an argument!
Yeah.
All right, listen, sorry, I don't mean to get dragged up into that.
So because I always sort of thought like on the on the religious side, on the churchy side, dudes would be, you know, a little more Case elected, a little more Stanley Kowalski, a little bit more... No?
Yeah.
Oh no, that's definitely true.
And I think part of how my thinking has changed in recent years is just because I moved to a more liberal area, moved to a more metropolitan part of the country, and so even like
The men I go to church with, they lean more to the R-selected side, just because of the politics of the region.
But in general, I'd say most of the men in my community are K-selected, especially where I grew up, in the town I grew up in.
Everybody's into hunting and camping and stuff like that.
If they were into hunting liberals, anyway.
Oh my gosh.
Okay, so the guys, do you mind, Lexan, I bestowed a rant upon thee, Madison, is there any chance I could ask you for a tiny rant about, you know, I think a lot of women share this and maybe you could give voice to some of their frustrations.
Modern men.
Modern men.
That's interesting.
Especially given my perspective, because I grew up... Just let it all hang out, leave nothing in the tank, as they say.
No holds barred.
Because you've got 27 years of, you know, certainly 10 years of dating frustration.
I mean, it's got to be annoying as hell.
You know, it really is, because I've seen what it could be.
You know, I have my dad, and I have all of these wonderful men that I grew up in my congregations that epitomized You know, what I want.
I have grown up wanting to be married and wanting to have a family my entire life, and I had all these fantastic examples.
You know, all of my uncles.
I've got a gazillion uncles because, you know, stereotypical Mormon family.
You know, I've got gazillions of great men in my life, but they're all older!
And so when I go to church, So in the Mormon church, there are certain congregations that are geared toward the young single population.
So they're called young single adult wards.
And so people, you know, single people from like 18 to 30 go together.
And sometimes it can be a little bit of a meat market, but it's generally, you know, you get together and get to know people your own age.
And so when I go from the traditional congregation with families and, you know, everybody all mixed in together to these singles wards, there's such a difference.
And especially where I live right now, like I said, it's a little more liberal.
You know, these guys, oh, you know, we have, we have these guys that are, you know, that believe these ridiculous, you know, leftist lies, you know, and we, we have these, these Men, you know, boys, they're not even men, these boys my own age that are talking about feminism and safe spaces and, you know, we need to... I don't even know.
It's just ridiculous.
And so when I actually find somebody my own age that doesn't get offended because I've Oh my gosh, like today for instance.
So on the 4th of July, my family and I, we went shooting because that's what you do around here for fun.
And so my mom took this really awesome, like, ultra patriotic picture of me.
I've got an AK-47 and I'm wearing my Donald Trump hat.
And it was awesome.
And so I made up my Facebook profile picture.
Good Lord!
It's like you've got an atomic cuck repellent in your profile photo.
Oh, I know!
It's going to come across their screen and there's going to be this cuck shadow against the wall.
You know, and you'll be standing, your profile picture will be standing over them doing a victory war dance and beating them with a Donald Trump hat.
Oh my goodness, I saw it!
Yeah, and it was funny because when my mom took that photo, I was like, oh, I've got to make this my Facebook profile picture so I can offend all of my SJW friends.
And everybody kind of laughed, but in my heart, I knew it was going to happen.
And sure enough, sure enough today, there's been this huge explosion on my Facebook.
You know, most people have been like, yeah, great photo, you know, this is great.
This is cool.
And but then like my SJW friends, I had this one in particular, you know, she was like, this hurts me personally.
And, you know, don't tell me you heard the word troubling, or troubled.
That is the giant.
That is the giant cock calling cry of anti matingness.
I'm troubled.
I'm upset.
Not an argument.
Sorry, go on.
Oh yeah.
Well, so she brought up, I mean, of all things, she brought up Sandy Hook and was like, you know, because she's from, she's from around there and she was like, it reminded me of all the victims and, you know, glorifying guns just says that they're, you know, you're saying to the victims that their lives don't matter.
Yeah.
And I was like, Oh, I know.
Madison, quick question.
Yeah.
Quick question.
If you don't mind just, you know, Indulge me in a hypothetical.
Let's say that your entire bloodthirsty clan was at Sandy Hook well armed.
Might that day have gone just a little bit differently?
If your friend was in Sandy Hook, would she want your Facebook photo to come to life and save her sorry ass?
Oh, no doubt.
She'll never admit that.
So there was this huge blow up on my Facebook page about that stupid thing.
I had to stop checking it because it was getting me so worked up that I was like, I'm going to be all hyped up and nervous and I've got to talk to Steph today.
So I just quit checking it.
I can tell you just off the top of my head without having looked at it for the last few hours, I can tell you exactly which of my friends are taking offense.
I don't know how they imagine taxes are collected.
I'm against guns.
Great.
Let's disarm the police and then nobody has to pay their taxes.
Oh, wait, no, you need that for your social programs now, don't you?
Yeah.
Anyway, that doesn't make sense.
So this is an interesting thing.
And I'm sorry to interrupt you.
But this is a very interesting thing that you did.
There's two things you did.
One is you totally left me high and dry when it came to a rant about men.
But that's all right.
We'll come back.
Oh, I know.
I'm sorry.
I knew that I was going that direction.
But You may look like a straight arrow when it comes to getting to the point.
So, okay.
Let's have you go in that direction.
I'll come back about the other thing.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, that's pretty much it.
But I think – and so when I say like I can think of the friends that are going to be offended that I hadn't seen were offended yet – Like I can think of a couple of, of young men my age that, that are going to fit right into that.
You know, I have this one, um, one guy that I know in particular, and he's always posting stuff about how, about, um, you know, just weird, weird, like passive aggressive feminist statements, like, um,
You know, and it all is cloaked in this weird twisted veil of self-righteous, holier-than-thou type stuff.
You know, like, if you don't agree with me, then clearly you're uneducated or anti-women.
You know, just little things like that.
So, ah, it just, it's the feminist lies.
They're like, I, oh, you got to have a little, a lot of sympathy for, for my generation because we've just been surrounded by it.
You know, we hear it in school every day and it's all over the internet.
And if you, if you dare breathe a word against, against this, this narrative, then you just get absolutely trampled.
No.
No, you don't.
You've got to be careful with your language, right?
I mean, people type stuff.
No, yeah.
So, you're still not going to talk to me about men, so we'll come back to that.
So, why do you think you posted this picture?
You're a smart young woman, right?
Yeah.
Why did you post this picture?
What are you doing?
I posted it in part because I wanted to have a vehicle to say what I believe.
No.
No?
Sorry, no.
No, no, your eggs need you to clean house, young lady.
Oh.
Your eggs need you to clean house.
My passive-aggressive social justice warrior Marxist leftist friends.
Really?
Friends, you say?
You need to clean house.
So you can get a good man who is going to look at your circle of friends and go, well, this is a rather confused young lady.
Can I say something in my defense?
I'm not sure I could spend a lifetime with her and her kucky friends.
Can I say something in my defense?
You can say anything you like.
So when I say friends, I mean, I think I mean more acquaintances because they're not the people that I spend They're not the people that I spend the majority of my... They're not your Siamese twins.
I get that.
I mean, honestly, they're just mostly Facebook friends.
See them, you know, now and then.
Do I care about that?
No.
Did I say they were all joined at the hip with you?
No.
No.
But they're still your Facebook friends.
So you're cleaning house with this picture.
You knew that, right?
Come on.
Come on.
You knew you're cleaning house.
So why are you cleaning house?
Because you know that there's something about you that is not attracting the man you want.
And just because, and I'm sorry to be so shallow, but because men will be wondering whether you're some kind of interstellar ham planet, no.
See in your profile picture?
Attractive young woman.
So that's important.
So you're 27, which means that you're a couple of years away from hitting the wall, right?
And I saw a picture of myself the other day.
I'm like, wow, that lens was dusty.
And then I'm like, well, no, actually, everything around my face seems pretty clear.
Maybe there was a thumbprint right where my face was.
Nope.
I'm just going to be 50.
You know, you get this kind of like, just a little dusty.
It's like, I feel solid.
But I'm vaguely lunar.
I'm just covered in this moon dust called aging.
Anyway, doesn't matter.
So you, you know, you got to get moving on this project, right?
Yeah.
I mean, you got to seriously get yourself busy.
You know, you want to meet a man, you got to date a man, you got to figure out if you want to marry a man, you got to marry a man, you want to have a year or two together and you can start having kids.
It's now now now.
Yeah.
And when I talk about believing feminist lies, like I'd started to kind of settle into that, you know, oh, delay marriage, it's okay, you've got to find yourself, go travel, you know, being single is great.
Later, later, later.
Yeah, and you know, as soon as I started listening to your show, you know, this is a couple of months ago, I started, you know, you started like, you know, peeling the scales away from my eyes, and then it was just, oh, wow, wait, wait, I need to I need to do this, you know.
You said once, you know, 40 to 80 is a long time to be alone and that was like, oh, yeah, I've got it.
I love provoking estrogen egg-based panic among the fertile.
That is my major mission.
Find fertile people who aren't panicking and help them to panic.
You know, like a good financial advisor would be like, Like if you're doing something like panic.
I remember years ago I had a call with a guy he was in his late 40s and he was living in his brother's garage and he's like, ah, you know, I don't want to panic.
And I'm like, you kinda do.
You kinda do want to panic at this point.
Yeah.
So because it's important to know why you're doing what you're doing.
And in my opinion, I can't prove or anything, but Madison, you, uh, you, you're, you're getting busy.
You're, you're getting busy.
You're, you're making the nest.
You're, you know, um, Stuff in your bra.
But you you want to get the right kind of man.
And you've come out of this weird timeless daze that feminism injects.
It's like this weird venom, you know, like the snake venom that just makes your legs slow down so you walk in a circle.
There's this weird timeless feminist venom that gets injected into women when they're young, which is like, oh, later you can get a man.
It'll be fine.
Get your career going, get educated, go travel, do this, do that.
Let all those sedimentary layers of dust settle on your valuable treasure, dying eggs.
And don't worry, you'll have a great time settling down when all the good men are taken and only the weirdos and freaks and divorcees and broken smashed up wreckages of masculinity are left.
And you're really busy and you got a lot of student debt and you got a career.
Oh yeah, that's when it's a great time to settle down.
Not find a man when you're in college, say, or when you're young and you got lots of time to hang out and get to know each other and no particular panics or freaks or anything like that.
I mean, they put you in this weird numbed, envenomed state of timelessness that a lot of people don't wake up from until it's too late.
Now, of course, feminists are well-funded by the government to do this because the government wants you having children now or getting a job and paying taxes now.
Oh, yeah.
The government wants you to pay taxes?
Yeah, government doesn't want you off there having kids.
If you're off there having kids, not only are you not contributing to the taxes, but the government's going to have to provide service for your kids.
Because, you know, that's going to mean, my God, that means in a couple of years, they're going to need kindergarten or school or healthcare or some damn thing, these parasitical future of civilization beasts.
Right?
So the government doesn't want you To make babies now!
Because that just costs them money.
And by the time your kids in a quarter century are off their paying taxes, those politicians are long retired.
They want you to postpone having children because that postpones their costs.
They want you to go to school and get a job because that increases their taxable income.
And so because feminists, where do they live?
They live in universities.
They live in colleges, of course they want you to go to college and then of course they want you to frip around and frap around because that allows governments to spend less and tax more.
It's beautiful for everyone except you and the future of everyone.
Other than that minor detail, it's a great scheme.
So you're cleaning house because you know deep down that you got to get your shit organized so that you can get the man that you want and need And deserve.
Which means you gotta de-cuck.
You gotta get the lefty freaks, the hypersensitive, the hysterics, the neurasthenics, all of the Blanche DuBois of endless social hysteria about nothing!
Nothing!
I mean, good God Almighty!
Child in the Middle Ages!
Oh, is that diphtheria?
Child in the 10th century!
Oh, does that rat have fleas?
Oh dear, my armpits have exploded and I'm dead!
Child in the 19th century!
Oh, I have to work 14 hours down a mine!
Young person in the 21st century!
I saw a picture of a gun!
People, please!
What happened to our spines?
Oh, it's horrendous.
Anyway, so you got to get these wishy-washy drip-draps out of your life because any man who's going to come along and look at you is not going to judge you, he's going to judge you by the company you keep.
A man doesn't marry a woman, a man marries her tribe.
Her tribe.
Her tribe.
And a man is going to judge you by the company you keep.
He's going to friend you on Facebook.
And he's going to see, oh, she posted a picture of herself in a gun and a Donald Trump hat.
And hopefully that's all.
But now maybe I'm going to go and have a look at what her friends say.
I'm going to read down through these.
Oh my God.
These are her friends?
Oh man.
I'm going to spend the rest of my life with her and this quagmire of hysterical nonsense.
Hmm.
And then he's gonna say that there's no one around you who's telling you to get your stuff organized, to get your values consistent.
You put this out there saying, hey world, this is who I am.
I shoot guns and I wear MAGA hats, right?
And you're doing that so that you can unfriend all the people who don't like you for who you are, who don't love you for who you are.
So that you can have someone in your life who you're not going to take a starter pistol full of red flags and shoot it up their nose the first moment they see you online.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's interesting.
You know, in hearing you talk about that, I'm starting to realize, like, oh, that's exactly what I was doing.
Because, you know, I've just started to realize that I'm getting so sick of not being honest with some of these people.
This one particular friend that kind of started the whole crazy thing on Facebook today, we went out to lunch, a couple of us, not long ago, maybe about a month ago, and just during the course of our meal, she was saying stupid things like she was talking about How she went on a date with this guy, and she had to explain to him what mansplaining was, because he was doing it, and how offensive it was.
And I was like, oh!
And I didn't say anything to her.
And after the lunch, I looked back and thought about how frustrating it was for me to just sit there with my mouth closed.
And she's there just taking it for granted that everybody agreed with her.
Oh, I gotta tell you, I mean, if you can't have a sense of humor about that stuff, you're just no, no good to anyone.
So my, my daughter's just, I just taught my daughter how to ride a bike.
And, um, I was taking her out for a bike ride and I'm, I'm, I keep my helmet on my bike to make sure, cause when I was a kid, we never had any helmets, right?
So I keep my helmet on my bike.
So when I get on my bike, I remember to put my helmet on, right?
I'm walking towards my bike with my daughter and my wife says to me, do you know what she says?
Don't forget, your helmet is on your bike.
Mm-hmm.
You understand why that's insane, right?
I mean, it's lovely.
Yeah, because it was red.
It's like I'm walking towards my bike.
I put my helmet right on my bike.
It's on my bike seat.
I can't get on the bike unless I think I've got the world's largest hemorrhoid.
I cannot get on my bike without sitting on the helmet.
And my wife says, don't forget your helmet is on your bike.
I love that about her.
I mean, you're you're girl-splaining.
You're right.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's beautiful.
She cares.
I love it.
And this happens.
I'm not gonna say how often but let's just not say it's not something we pop champagne over because of its rarity.
And so yes, I when people are around you, they will tell you entirely redundant things.
Yeah, they will.
They absolutely will.
You know, every time we do a show, Mike keeps telling me, stop screaming, Hail Satan, because it's a lot of editing.
Now, obviously, he's wrong about that.
But what I'm just trying to give you an example of something that makes no sense to me.
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
So this mansplaining thing, it's like, Oh, my God, no, it's exhausting.
Well, and how is feminism not chicksplaining?
Which is wrong, even.
The hypocrisy is just unbelievable.
We are going to lecture men all about masculinity merely because we have hairy cleavage.
I mean, the whole feminist thing is explaining to men everything about being a man.
bag on feminists, but the whole feminist thing is explaining to men everything about being a man.
How is feminism not chicksplaining?
Yeah.
I'm going to use that on her next time she says something.
No, don't use it on her!
No, why not?
Okay, Madison?
Yeah?
Can you turn the lights down low?
Can you put on a little romantic music?
Okay, pretend that you can, all right?
Okay.
You and I are on a date.
How's it going?
Oh, it's the best date ever.
Absolutely.
That's right.
Every time I go on a date, I put 14 candles on each shoulder.
I can do that because I get no hair to burn.
Well, a little ear hair, but not too much anymore because it all burnt off.
But Madison, explain to me, as your date, these Facebook friends and comments.
Explain them to you.
Yeah, I noticed you posted a picture and I was looking at some of the comments and some of your friends seem to have significant problems with who you are.
Can you explain that to me, please?
I don't know.
Well, so I moved to this more liberal part of town and, you know, just got to know some different people that share these different views.
And so when I posted that picture, they came out of the woodwork and started to see what And so it made me realize just how ridiculous some of these people are.
And I'm really grateful that I have all these other friends that are sticking up for me and actually saying things that make sense.
It's really opened my eyes to what insanity I'm surrounded by.
Not bad.
Not bad.
But can I tell you what I would say?
Hi, I'm Madison.
And, uh, I can tell you what was going on on that Facebook thread.
See, I have these extra special gold-plated Fabergé eggs.
And I realized that I was surrounded by people who didn't respect me or my eggs.
And, um, you know, deep down, Steph, I was really hoping to meet a man like you.
Virile, Almost unbearably sexy.
Don't laugh.
Sorry.
Okay, I get that. - No.
No, it's... You just, you can't see the video with the 14 candles.
So I understand why.
Anyway, there was a time in my life where nobody would laugh.
Anyway.
But yeah, I mean, I want a man You know, who's strong, who's masculine, who's assertive, who loves me for who I am.
And I kind of realized I had lowered my standards to have people around me who didn't respect me for who I am.
So this basically was a big get lost to all the people who can't respect me for who I am.
And it was cleaning house.
Who's cleaning house?
You know, like when you're pregnant and before you come home with the baby, you scrub everything in the house.
Well, this is like that.
I want to get married.
I want to settle down.
I want to have kids.
You know, I want a man like you.
And I realized a man like you with brains and perceptiveness is going to come along and see this kind of weird Facebook wall and say, what the hell is going on with this woman?
What kind of values does she have where she has people who she called friends who seem to disrespect everything about her.
So I wanted to clean house because I'm focused more on having kids than having false friends.
You're a better me than me.
No, I'm just a more honest.
Right now this is so this is the challenge, right?
If you want the masculine ideals, you got to be so straightforward.
It sounds insane.
We're so used to all this circuitous stuff, right?
Yeah.
And this is true for men and for women.
Directness, honesty wins.
What do you want?
Say it open.
Say it clear.
People can really respect that.
I was chatting with a friend the other day who was saying that she was talking about how where she works it's so hard to get people to say what they want.
Do you want to do A or B?
Oh I don't mind, whatever you feel like.
Now I'm not putting you in that category, but you did give me a bit of a circuitous thing, right?
Hey, I accumulated some bad friends because I was thinking I had forever to have integrity.
And now I realized that if I want to get married and settle down, I got to have ultra integrity.
So I got a clean house.
I don't want any potential date like you Steph to be confused about my values.
I don't have time to dick around anymore.
Time is marching on.
And I need to make my values clear so that I appear in my maximum integrity light to a man who's going to come along and hopefully choose me.
And choose me without confusion and choose me without complication and choose me without reservation.
I do not want to be Like a bird whose tail and wings are composed entirely of red flags that crashes into a creek.
Right?
I want to be the kind of girl that Ted Nugent comes along and says, yeah, consistently badass.
Or whatever.
You know what I mean.
Substitute Geddy Lee and I'll agree with you.
Geddy Lee!
All right.
All right.
Squeaky voice, bad looking Canadian millionaires.
I'm in it.
Yeah, I think that you want to put out clearer signals about who you are in the world, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I'm starting to notice that more.
I think I've been doing it subconsciously for a little while, you know, in part because of your show.
You know, like I said, I started listening a few months ago and And I've just gotten so sick of having to, or not having to, because I don't have to.
I'm getting sick of just holding back when I talk to people about things, about the way I believe and what I'm passionate about and my philosophies on life.
And that's important.
Listen.
Or what they call individuation, which sounds like a subjective process.
I think that individuation is a universal process where we surrender our whims to reason and evidence.
But whatever you want to call it, being thoroughly who you are, which means being honest, honestly who you are.
Everybody wants to go through life without causing offense, because it's easier.
And we all want to live in a world where being good doesn't cause offense.
But we don't live in that world.
We know that we don't live in it yet.
We're still working on it, right?
But authenticity, honesty, individuation creates two explosive and opposing forces.
One is attraction.
The other is repulsion.
You understand?
Yeah.
When you are thoroughly who you are and honest about who you are, Madison, you will, like a gravity well, like a black hole, you will attract the right kinds of people.
And what will you do to the wrong kinds of people?
Ooh, hopefully they'll get the heck out of Dodge.
You will repulse them.
They will flee, throwing back insults designed to make you feel knee high to a grasshopper.
They will flee, but because they don't want to process why they're fleeing, because you're being honest and truthful and authentic about who you are and what you believe, they don't want to know that they're fleeing honesty.
They don't want to know that they're fleeing integrity.
They don't want to know that they're fleeing authenticity.
They want to imagine that they're fleeing pettiness and meanness and vindictiveness.
Why?
Because they always, always, always project.
Now we don't want to go through You know, you've let some big band-aids settle on your skin.
But they're actually making the wounds rather than covering the wounds.
And you got to peel them off.
And nobody wants that process of individuation.
Because the first thing that happens is the false friends leave your orbit, taking massive verbal dumps on you designed to make you feel as horrible as humanly possible as they break orbit, right?
Yeah.
Well, you've just changed.
You used to be approachable, you used to be polite, you've just become this, like weird, Trump obsessed, conservative.
I didn't even know I didn't even know how to spell that word.
I had to look it up.
You become this like, weird, anti emotional gun toting.
I don't know what to like.
And that's just the nicest of the things that you'll get that there'll be uglier stuff still when you become thoroughly who you are.
And you're honest about it without apology.
You have to do it without apology.
Well, I'm sorry if it offends you.
No, I'm not sorry if it offends you.
I'm sorry that you were raised in a culture where you think that offense matters.
I'm not sorry to offend you.
And that process of individuation creates this detonation that drives away the bad people but they leave you like band-aids coming off hair or like fish hooks coming out of soft flesh.
It's painful because they leave and you feel alone.
Because they leave before the other people come in.
Right?
Yeah.
And you just set off a detonation on your Facebook photo.
And I think you need to know what's going on is you're driving the bad people away or the false friends away to put it as nicely as possible.
And of course, false friends is an oxymoron.
They're not real friends.
They're not really friends at all, right?
They are conveniences.
And you're driving your false friends away so that your real love can arrive.
Wow, I didn't realize that I've been doing that, but it makes so much sense.
And now looking back, I can see other things that I've been doing the past little while that all fit in with this.
As always, I am more than happy to hear additional evidence for my wild theories, so please go Uh, oh, well, let's see.
Not long ago.
So, okay.
Well, it was, I guess it must've, it was the day that Donald Trump became the presumptive nominee.
One of my cousins, who actually listens to your show, um, one of my cousins posted something about it and about how, um, how Donald Trump isn't, he's not racist, he's not all these horrible things, and if you just take some time to To read and educate yourself, then you can see the man for who he truly is and what he's trying to do.
And so I just shared that post, read, sent it out.
And another one of my cousins just came unglued and started attacking me personally.
She said some really horrible things.
And so I defended myself.
My cousin that I talked about before and my brother, like we all, we all responded to her.
But I was, I was just amazed that, and this is, I mean, this cousin... Sorry, Jen, the cousin who attacked you, sorry to interrupt, Madison.
Oh.
Was, was she saying that Donald Trump was not a good person?
That Donald Trump was a bad person or a mean person?
Yes.
Yes.
Now who, again, remember, they always project, who was the only person being mean in that conversation?
Was it Donald Trump?
No, it was her.
Right.
So she's saying, basically, Madison, you are a ghastly, horrible, terrible person because Donald Trump is mean.
Yes.
Well, Donald Trump is not in the conversation.
The only person being mean is you.
And then, you know, the tendency is to want to defend.
Oh, no, it's not about Trump.
99.9% of what people talk about with Donald Trump has nothing to do with Donald Trump in the same way that 99.9% of what people talk about with Brexit has nothing to do with Brexit whatsoever.
So true.
Donald Trump, I mean, in the 90s, he struggled for the golf courses that he had control over.
He struggled to make sure that they allowed women and blacks and Jews in.
Yeah.
I mean, there's some tweet went out.
He used a sheriff star to talk about how corrupt Hillary was.
You heard this, right?
Oh, yeah, anti-Semitic.
It's a star of David.
Yeah.
It's like, well, the only person obsessed with that anti-Semitism are the people reading into that.
It's a sheriff star.
It's a default shape in Microsoft Paint.
It's got nothing to do, there was nothing Jewish in it.
Oh, wait, there was a picture of money in the background.
Okay, so anything that has a sheriff star and money in the background is somehow about Jews, huh?
Okay.
Yeah.
So they're saying that Donald Trump is obsessed with Jews.
It's like, nope, the people who are thinking that the sheriff star default clip art picture from Microsoft Paint on money has something to do with Judaism.
They're the ones obsessed about Jews, not Donald Trump.
Whose daughter married a Jewish guy and whose grandchildren are Jewish and she converted to Judaism.
Very bad antisemitism, Donald.
You're excellent, excellent at building stuff.
You're excellent as a politician.
You're a great author and you run a very successful TV show.
The only thing you suck at is antisemitism.
So you're clearing house and Donald Trump is a wonderful mechanism for clearing house.
Now, In your profile picture, Madison, with the gun, was your family in there as well?
Or was it just you?
It was just me.
Yeah, although I did, I did consider making my cover photo, you know, like the longer one, the picture of the whole family, because we did take some of all of us.
Right.
And I'm not saying you should or shouldn't, but what was your decision process around that?
Well, I... Well, I mean, I'll be honest.
I'm a little bit vain, and I thought the picture of me looked good.
Why is that vain?
What do you mean by vain?
Wait, just Mormon thing, right?
You're focusing on your material appearance rather than your spiritual virtue.
Sorry, my spirit don't age, but my eggs do.
Gotta advertise, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I guess.
Yeah, no, you're right.
No, it's nothing.
Listen, be attractive, make yourself attractive.
I don't work out for three or four hours a week just for health.
I mean, I'm glad that the health, you know, but whatever, right?
Do you want to look good?
I want to look good.
I want to be healthy.
I need to be strong for my daughter.
I want to stay healthy and all that.
So but yeah, I mean, I was doing that long before I ever got sick.
So I look good.
I look good.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
You know, people are judged by their appearance.
And there's nothing wrong with that either.
We've got very little time in this life.
We got to make quick decisions.
And I think what you're saying, Madison, in this profile picture and in this very conversation is you're saying I need to put forward an image and an impression and a circle around me.
I need to put forward something that will help people make better snap decisions about who I am.
Because the more confusing, the more complicated, the more contradictory my social circle is, the harder it is for people to make snap decisions.
And we need people to make snap decisions about us.
When we're young, we can maybe have the luxury of, I don't know, circling around people and seeing what they like and what they don't like and so on.
But you're 27!
You meet the man of your dreams.
He says, where do you see yourself in six months?
You say, under you!
With no protection!
Stern boy!
No protection, but definitely rings.
I'm still Mormon.
Oh, absolutely.
Listen, get married.
For God's sake, get married first.
Get married first, absolutely.
No, if he can't commit to you, he can't commit to kids.
But yeah, you want things to be less complicated when a man looks at you, right?
A man looks at you, he looks at that picture.
That picture speaks volumes about who you are, where you came from.
And you've got to look at your pictures in your whole Facebook thing, in everything.
What does it say about me?
Get someone who you don't know that well to look at it and assess what it's saying about you.
Is it a consistent and clear message about your deepest values or is it a complicated mess of people pleasing and other people who you kind of like but have reservations about it?
Clean it up.
Make it consistent.
So someone looks at you and says, I know who that woman is.
Doesn't mean that they got to put you in a peg and you can never change it.
It just means that It just means that they can make a snap decision and get the essence of who you are.
Yeah, that's very interesting.
And I think, I think what that also comes back to is, you know, my moving to this more liberal area, because people just assume, I've found that people just assume that, that you are part of this weird leftist feminist, you know, cult.
And, and I think part of part of my need to You know, differentiate myself is because of that.
Look, especially if you're in this kind of environment, listen, you might want to think about moving, you might want to think about, but certainly at the very beginning, you need to figure out who your friends really are, whether they share your values, to what degree your friendships and your values have to coincide.
And they have to, to some degree, right?
And to me, my standard is... I'm happy to be friends with people.
We certainly don't have to agree on... It's one of the most boring things on the internet.
Oh my god.
Steph, I don't agree with everything you say, but... Oh, shut up!
Shut up!
Oh my god!
What a terrible, terrible thing to say about yourself.
Or anything, or anyone, or any... thing composed of matter and energy.
I don't agree with everything.
You're not supposed to agree with anything I say.
You're supposed to think for yourself!
I don't agree with everything you say, but in this instance, you're spot on.
It's like, not an argument, not a thought, complete waste of time and energy.
Please go back to cats playing pianos because this is not the place for you.
So you don't say, oh, you don't agree with everything.
No, of course not.
Hell, I don't agree with everything I said last year.
But what matters is the methodology of how the disputes get resolved.
You and I can have a dispute, and we both agree to reason and evidence.
Then we're friends.
Now, what you're doing is you're putting out stimulus there, and what you're doing is you're sending out the great echolocation called, Are You Curious?
Right?
Yeah.
There are people who say, yeah, AK-47, love it.
Good stuff.
Big Trump fan, love it.
I'm not going to mock them, but that's fine, right?
And then there are other people to whom the picture is surprising or shocking or whatever, right?
Can they be curious about you?
And I've had many people actually just in the last few months as I've been posting more political things.
I've had a lot of people message me personally saying, can you explain this to me?
You know, I saw that you posted this.
You know, I've got some questions.
It's been actually kind of cool.
It is.
And this is the other again, not to harp on Donald Trump, it's just he is the weathervane du jour for figuring out which way the wind blows, which is there's a very mainstream narrative about bad Donald Trump.
And then there are the facts, right, which is why we've put out a series of videos, the untruth about Donald Trump, which Thanks Reddit!
They have been very helpful in helping a lot of people to change their minds.
Or think, just think, just get the facts, right?
So there's a mainstream narrative and then there's the capacity to think for yourself.
And Donald Trump is the dividing line for most people between that, right?
Yeah.
And that's another reason why he's so helpful is he helps you to differentiate.
It's the great sorter, you know?
He helps you to differentiate between people who swallow the mainstream narrative and get defensive when questioned.
In other words, idiots or people who are like, well, this is what I heard, but these appear to be the facts.
I'm willing to listen or people you want to have in your life, right?
People have curiosity and because you are not fitting a stereotype, you need someone who's going to think for himself, who's going to be curious about who you are.
Yeah, right.
Because I mean, if you were some, I don't know, I'm sorry to pick such a ridiculous cliche, right?
But if you were some, I don't know, gap-toothed, yokel, redhead, sorry, redneck who just loved guns, and you know, Confederate flag, well, okay, then that would be a stereotype.
And you'd find another stereotype and breed more stereotypes, right?
Yeah.
But you're not that, right?
I mean, because I mean, if you listen to this show, and we deal with a very wide variety of topics, some of which are delicate and sensitive and other of which are just making fun of idiots, right?
And a lot of it is around self-knowledge and a lot of it is around thinking and reason and evidence and all that kind of stuff.
So this is what I mean when I say that when you become individuated you break free of cliche.
You no longer are predictable.
Because there are douchebags out there in the world Oh, you see them occasionally on the videos.
Let me guess.
I haven't watched it yet.
But I bet you that he blames single moms.
You know, just like they want to put me as a cliche, who gravitates back to the same explanations for the same use, like useless explanation for stuff based upon some weird personal prejudice, right?
Or it's like the mommy issues people, right?
Oh, yes, he's really got mommy issues.
It's like, yeah, yeah.
Why don't you go under the feminist sites and say that they've got daddy issues?
Oh, wait, I'm sorry.
Are they a little less nice than me?
You're very brave.
But so yeah, I mean, because you've individuated, you need people who can think for themselves.
And thinking for yourself means being curious, being humble, not assuming that what you're being told is the truth, which is lazy.
And being able to process new information and remain curious.
People who've become wedded to their conclusions are very dangerous and volatile people to be around.
They've got a conclusion which they have infused and invested their entire personality structure into.
There's a patriarchy.
We're victims.
The rich always exploit the poor.
White people are always bad.
Slavery is entirely responsible for X, Y, and Z.
American slavery.
So they've got a conclusion which they've invested their entire personality structure into and therefore they must viciously attack reason and evidence.
Reason and evidence is the opposite of wetting your personality structure to a conclusion.
Reason and evidence is having a personality that is flexible and willing to submit the vanity of opinion to the facts of reality.
And what you're doing is you're putting out stuff about Trump, or about politics, or about guns, or about hunting, or about your life.
And people who've become emotionally wedded to a conclusion, guns are bad!
No thought, no process, no facts, no understanding, no nothing.
Well, when they come across something that is counter to their bigotry, they become extremely volatile and dangerous people.
And Madison, you cannot have these people in your life.
I hate, I mean, I'm just, from a practical standpoint, volatile, aggressive, manipulative, bullying people who've wed themselves to conclusions.
In any conflict between cops and minorities, the minority is always a helpless victim who didn't do anything wrong and was just about to graduate as a neurosurgeon, and the cop is an evil white racist no matter what, no matter what facts.
Some black guy got shot the last day or two.
Oh, it was terrible, he was a victim, he was a nice guy, didn't do anything.
Oh dear, turns out the facts came out and he's a pedophile and a gun runner and ugh.
Oh, wow.
People who are wedded to conclusions, they're time bombs.
They're landmines and they're set off by an honest leg stepping on that prejudice.
Boom!
And when you're around those people, you either lie or you lose them.
There's no other choice.
You either lie or you lose them.
And I'm telling you, if you want good people, great people, wonderful people, the great man in your life, Madison, you cannot be around people that you have to falsify your existence in order to Prevent them attacking you.
That is not going to draw the people you need and deserve.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's, you're absolutely right.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Looks like I have some thinking to do.
Well, or just an acceptance of what process is already underway.
Yeah.
Would you keep us posted about how it goes?
Oh, definitely.
Yeah.
Was the call helpful, useful, valuable?
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
I knew, I knew that, I knew that there was going to, that you were going to get into some, you know, that you'd be able to pull out some subconscious stuff.
And so it's, yeah.
It was kind of surprising, but great.
I'm glad.
And listen, Madison, if you've got an adverse childhood experience of zero, please give your parents a hug for me and tell them I hugely respect and appreciate everything that they've done as parents.
But don't do it.
I mean, your parents have done it.
They did something successful.
I know it's a different time and all that, but it's not like you completely did it in the ancient Greece or something.
And tell them what you need and tell them what's going on and get their help.
Yeah, that's excellent advice.
You know, they probably want some grandkids too and, you know, they can help, right?
Oh, they do, yeah.
I have two younger siblings that are married and my mom's starting to chomp at the bit.
Right.
Well, I think that, you know, I hate the phrase tomboy because it sounds like it's a girl who somehow got, I don't know, testosterone up or something, but you are, listen, you are Every, in my opinion, and I think that there's lots of reasonable evidence for this, you are every bit as feminine as the girliest girl with a quilt factory in the basement that you could conceivably imagine.
Because listen, there's this thing about women now like, like, they can't be practical, they can't be productive and rational and
I mean, America in particular was settled by incredibly tough, practical, strong women who knew how to wrestle pigs, who knew how to plow the back 40, who knew how to dance and how to organize and how to weed and how to do just incredibly strong and powerful things.
And you're part of a tradition of femininity that is essential to the foundation and building of a civilization.
Not all this, you know, I have to go work in an office and be a lawyer.
That's fine.
That's, you know, oh, yeah, built your civilization.
Okay, do your part to tear it down, usually as a lawyer these days.
But don't let anyone tell you that you're not feminine.
Femininity is, if you're attracted to a man, you're feminine.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And there's nothing that is not feminine about you, nothing that is masculine about you, nothing that is anything other than a delightful, intelligent, self-confident and deeply aware human being.
You are as feminine as they come and a man who's going to really build something is going to really need your pragmatism and your common sense and your capacity for hard work and your lack of willingness to be absorbed into whatever stereotype of womanhood is floating around.
There's lots of different types of men, lots of different types of women.
They're all as masculine and as feminine as each other.
And don't let anyone tell you What femininity is and what your relationship is to it, we could not ever have anything worthwhile in this world without very feminine and powerful women like yourself.
Wow.
Thank you, Steph.
That's the best compliment I've had all day.
And I have been compared to Milo Yiannopoulos' younger sister today.
Wow.
I guess he'd be your big sister then.
That's great.
Listen, I appreciate that and a man will be lucky to have you and just, you know, clean house and put yourself out there and the right people will find you and you will continue as your virtue and honesty will continue to draw the right people in and push the wrong people out.
Wow.
All right.
Well, thank you.
This was really helpful and enjoyable and I'm doing my part to spread the word.
I share your podcast with the people that I think are amenable.
I've got a couple of it.
I don't know about dedicated listeners, but I've definitely had a couple of friends.
As long as they're willing to taste the buffet, I'm happy and I appreciate that.
Call in back someday and give us your rant about men, which I'll let you off for tonight because we've got to head into the next caller, but I'd like to hear it.
Yeah, I am sorry for that.
That's all right.
That's all right.
We got to where we needed to.
I appreciate your time.
Have a great evening, Madison, and I'm sure we'll talk again.
Thanks.
Same to you, Steph.
Take care.
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