3954 Death by Political Correctness | Owen Benjamin and Stefan Molyneux
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Hope you're doing well. We are here with Owen Benjamin.
Now, just before we start, I just wanted to say I have a huge weakness for comedians.
I think comedy is one of the great joys and pleasures in life, and Owen is a master of it.
You should really check out his stuff.
He's the host of Why Didn't They Laugh?
That's a podcast, and he's got a new Feed the Bear special available on Vimeo.
The website, which makes sense, of course, if you watch his live streams, is HugePianist.com.
You can follow him on youtube.com forward slash Owen Benjamin Comedy and twitter.com forward slash Owen Benjamin.
Thanks a lot for taking the time today.
Oh, it's an honor.
Thanks for having me. I'm in Twitter jail right now, so I won't be back in for six days.
Yeah, we'll talk about that in a sec.
Let me just start with something that, you know, now I've got your giant brain on the wire.
You were talking about happy songs that are actually sad the other day.
And I was like, no, it can't be.
I mean, come on. Come on.
So I actually looked up, and You Are My Sunshine, which, you know, of course, people think, because have you read the lyrics to this thing?
It's insane. It makes me so much more sad than any actual sad song.
Okay, so for people who don't know, right?
You are my sunshine, my only sunshine.
You make me happy when skies are gray.
Okay, so my only sunshine.
That's not a good sign.
Because, you know, if you think that your happiness is entirely dependent upon somebody else being close by, you're going to like, I don't know, it's just going to be nuts.
You make me happy when skies are gray.
You never know, dear, how much I love you.
And is that loving from a distance?
Is that some guy speaking in through the shower machinery?
Please don't take my sunshine away.
The other night, dear, as I lay sleeping, I dreamt I held you in my arms when I awoke, dear.
I was mistaken.
So I hung my head and I cried.
This is the last one.
I'll always love you and make you happy if you will only say the same.
But if you leave me to love another, you'll regret it all one day.
And it's like, if that is not a stalker song from a guy in a clown mask, man, I don't even know what is.
Yeah, I think you have the same brain structure as me, where if you really look into this stuff, you just see how horrifying a lot of it is.
Like, uh... Like, wherever you go, whatever you do, I'll be right here waiting for you.
That's Stockholm Syndrome. Oh, yeah.
Every move you make, every step you take, I'll be watching you.
It's like, well, this is like the NSA song.
This must be played at their association meetings.
Or like Titanic, you know, when it's like every night she dreams of this man, but she got remarried and had children.
So every night she dreams of a guy she slept with 40 years before on a cruise, and she has a husband.
And then on stage, I do this whole thing where I go through the whole process of him going to work because he knows that she definitely doesn't have a giant emerald.
And then once he finds out that she does, he's like, but you'll give it to our granddaughter though, Rose, right?
You won't throw it in the ocean!
You know, because it's a terrifying story.
You know, she couldn't be more selfish.
There was space on the floating thing, and she just let him die.
Well, you know, every time they're having sex, she's closing her eyes and thinking she's still fucking the frozen guy.
That's just the way. Hey, frozen stiff, that's the way it works.
And that's tragic.
That's just tragic. I just can't believe that's romance.
Like, that movie is a disaster.
Well, at least it's better than you can beat me half to death as long as you have a helicopter, 50 shades of grey stuff.
You know, if the man's rich enough, he'll never be a creep.
Or if you have enough abs, you can do just about anything you want to a woman and it's called romance.
Oh, it's tragic. Oh, you mean 50 counts of rape?
Oh, my God. If that doesn't lift the lid on some of the fetid swamps of female sexuality in the world, I don't know what does.
It's horrifying. It's just straight up like crazy.
See, you can work at being a really good human being, a great provider, a good father to someone's children, a wonderful husband and a great friend.
Or you can just do a bunch of abs, make a bunch of money and beat the hell out of women and they'll love you.
I don't know. I know, but in real life that never works.
That's why this weird propaganda illusion that I don't really know what's pushing it.
But in real life, like my wife and I, Are so close, and it's because it's like, I have autonomy, but I also treat her really good.
It's like, just be really good to your wife.
They don't want that crazy, especially once they become mothers, it's like, the last thing they want is that Fifty Shades stuff.
That's psychotic. Well, it's funny, too, because I think marriage works if you remember that you're always still in competition.
If you think you have some sort of post office monopoly on your wife, then you're just going to get lazy, like service at the post office or service from the IRS or whatever.
So as long as you remember that you're always in competition, because that is kind of the reality.
Anyone can trade up at any time.
So as long as you remember you're always in competition, you stay on your best behavior, you stay on your toes.
The moment you socialize your wife, man, it's bad.
It's bad. Oh, yeah.
You're always trying to impress her.
That's what makes women like men.
It's the purpose. And we don't have dragons anymore.
We've got to figure some out and slay them.
Oh, yeah. I mean, the purpose thing is funny because I was just thinking the other day, Owen, how we thirst for leisure, like we want leisure.
But at the same time, we can only be happy with purpose.
And I think that sort of pendulum between I need to rest, I need to relax, I need to recharge.
But if you do that too long, it's like a muscle.
Like you strengthen through resistance, you strengthen through challenge, you strengthen through purpose.
And we've been kind of sold this life now where you really don't have to have a purpose.
Hey, you don't feel like working? Yeah, we'll give you unemployment insurance.
We'll give you welfare. We'll give you disability.
Or if you don't want to have kids, everyone's going to—or you want to just eat too much.
We don't have any need for self-discipline, for the subjugation of the ego, for the conformity to objective standards.
And we kind of want that in a way, but very few people are— Oh, no, no.
Yeah, we need purpose. All right.
Yeah, very few people are designed to, like, very few men are designed to handle a life of leisure, and very few women are designed to handle a life without children.
And I know you've talked a little bit about that, and I think it's one of the reasons why anxiety and depression and all of this neurosis is spreading.
100%, and I think that's where we see the rise of things like ISIS, where, I don't know if you saw that video I did, because it may have been the one with You Are My Sunshine, but how...
A valid male instinct crippled by the disaster of socialism and the disaster of not giving men purpose, that's a good quality we have, that we want to impress women, that we want to build the Eiffel Tower to have someone touch our wiener.
Then when it's all just the stuff is provided by the sociopathic organism called the state, it's like we're now susceptible to have a purpose constructed by a psychopath.
It's the same with women.
Women have this incredible desire to be mothers and it's one reason why their craziness, like the high anxiety, the paranoia, all that stuff, it makes perfect sense when you see them with a one-year-old.
I've listened to you talk about stuff like this and I'm so glad that you're out there because my mom took being a mom very seriously and I think that's the only reason I'm not insane.
She was a professor and she quit when my brother was born and She breastfed us and protected us from wall sockets, didn't hit us, even though she was from a very abusive family.
She made those steps that you're talking about, and I owe my sanity to it.
That's why the message you're giving is so good, because I got to benefit from that as a child.
When she was a kid, her dad was a lead miner.
They would lock them in sheds.
That wasn't even seen as abuse.
That was just what they did.
She had me at 39, so the generation gap is pretty pronounced.
Her and my dad made the commitment to not hit us and to keep us from harm until they could reason with us.
Man, my life could have went really bad with public school and being You talk about the high IQ stuff.
My IQ was almost 150 in sixth grade and they punished me for it.
And I would pretend to be stupid and I had shame about it.
And I could play songs by ear and they thought that I was trying to show them up.
And if I didn't have my mom to guide me Tell me I was okay.
I would have just been, I'd be a criminal.
I'd probably be a murderer or something, you know?
Well, it's funny because this, and you've talked about this before, but I think it's worth fleshing it out a bit, Owen, this idea that men, you can't compete with the state as far as security and providing goes.
You know, because, you know, if you're offering your providing capacity, you're providing muscles to a woman, well, you could get hit by a truck.
You could end up being a drunk.
You could leave her for another woman.
You could, you know, just end up being listless and inert and so on.
But the state dangling all of these resources, like, it's impossible to compete.
You know, the state comes along, it's like, hey, man.
We'll give you everything you need in perpetuity.
And you don't have to run our households.
You don't have to make sandwiches.
You don't have to wash the floors.
You don't have to do any dishes. You don't have to do anything.
Just give us a vote once every couple of years.
Make your way to the poll and that's it.
And in return, we'll give you all of this stuff.
And men are like, dude, that's so alpha.
Creepy as hell, an alpha, but you can't possibly compete with that, and I think that's one of the reasons why masculinity is collapsing, is our need to hunt, to protect, to provide has been disemboweled and eviscerated.
We are emasculated, castrated by the state and its offerings, and that is making, I think, people very, men in particular, very lost.
Oh, yeah. It's Faustian almost.
It's just this demonic, like, I'll give you everything you ever wanted.
Just sign, just sign, just vote for Barack Obama again, you know?
And I think men can still be men.
It just takes more effort now to see that as an obstacle.
That's another competitor to your wife.
But here's the thing. They might have trillions of dollars in a monopoly on war, but they can't hold her at night.
And women have instincts that The state can't win on.
They need this massive amount of propaganda because just stuff isn't enough for women.
Like, women appear to be materialistic, but they really aren't.
They just need you to bleed.
They need to matter. So it's like, because when that baby starts crying, they need to know that you will fight the instinct of running and love her and not sleep.
So, you know, I do a bit about that with the Canon in D. I don't know if you've seen that with This Christmas, Give Her What She's Wanted All Year, because women are brainwashed by that song.
Because Marriage is awesome.
That song, I don't know, just a touch.
This song? All right, so that makes women feel that thing.
So then the commercials are like, give her what she's wanted all year.
And women are like, what have I wanted?
And then it's this garbage, like, two hearts welded together by Jane Seymour, who isn't a jeweler and has been divorced five times.
And there's no resale value on the $6,000 rock, and you're in a lot of debt from school, but she's worth it, isn't she?
And that's how they get you, because the woman's now like, am I worth it?
Versus I need the shiny thing.
And the And the state has this demonic mix of propaganda to make women think that what makes them a strong woman is Planned Parenthood and stuff, when in reality that isn't.
And a lot of times they don't know that until after they have abortions.
It's really sad. And then that's what kind of usurps the man.
But in the end of the day, it doesn't complete them.
And I tell this to dudes on my livestream all the time.
I'm like, you don't have to be rich.
I loved your point the other day with that guy who regretted the Bitcoin buy, where you're like, there's diminishing returns after a while.
You have the same nightmares, just sheets with a higher thread count.
You know what I mean? And all money does is amplify your character and your purpose.
And if you don't have purpose, you're lost.
You're dead on heroin. And I'm like, women are really attracted to men who just try.
Like, if you're a janitor, like, you clean those floors.
You love that woman, you know?
And they will They will get out of the trance if you work hard enough.
It's just a tough time to be a man.
You know, toxic masculinity, you know, all that stuff.
And this horrible idea that if a woman goes to work in a cubicle under fluorescent lights while her eggs slowly mummify for a giant corporation, somehow she's liberated!
She's free! She's self-actualized!
But man, if you take care of a whole bunch of kids and a husband, you're a slave!
And it's like, I don't think anybody from that corporation is going to come and hold your hand when you're dropping into the dying light of eternity.
And it's just, it's one of these things.
And of course, as you point out, and as I pointed out, it's for taxes.
It's to make sure that the kids bond with the state at daycare rather than with the parents at home.
And the other thing, too, is that because women, you know, they start off so rich with sexual market value, you know, they age like milk and men age like wine.
Women start off rich, and so it's very easy when you have all of these men wanting to be with you and take care of you and take you out and date you and maybe marry you.
It's very easy at that time to be very...
Broken by propaganda.
And then by the time you figure it out, your eggs are too old, nobody wants to date you anymore.
And I think that there's a lot of staving off of that regret.
Like you've talked about people like Chelsea Handler, Amy Schumer, other people like that didn't have kids.
And it's fine if you know it, you make the conscious decision.
But if you're just kind of busy and then you wake up one day and you regret it, ay, ay, ay, that is a nasty thing.
Angela Merkel, like a lot of these women, because it creates this almost...
Weaponized maternity. And I think we're seeing that culturally now, when it's like they're trying to baby us.
Something really stuck out to me with Amy Schumer, who was a friend of mine who was once very funny.
And then when you see, when women get to a certain point, they just start getting nutty if they don't have families.
And she said, why didn't you people vote for Hillary Clinton?
She would have taken care of us.
And that hit me. I'm like, Who the hell wants the government to take care of us?
Like, we're not one. Like, you know, it's the difference.
It's like Braveheart was like, freedom!
But if it was one of these women, it'd be like, safety!
You know? And no one wants it.
Like, that isn't human nature.
Like, we don't want that. And you have these women that are now, like, seeing Donald Trump as this threat, this snake in the garden, you know?
And it's all because they didn't have kids.
It's this weird—I don't know if people predicted it.
I know that the state wanted taxes.
They wanted to break down the family, because the family's a competition of these social scams.
But I don't know if they predicted this weird ISIS of women now, where these once strong and intelligent and rational women at a certain age just spiral.
You know, and they talk to men like we're babies.
You know, it's like you're acting out, Owen.
I've seen your tweets. You've been acting out.
I'm like, I'm a grown man with a home and children.
Like, do you think I'm a toddler?
Like, get a baby! Well, yeah.
I mean, so the number of people who say, Steph, you know, you have mommy issues.
Well, of course, they just want to associate the word mommy with me so that it diminishes me in people's eyes.
And it's Very transparent.
It's like, yeah, I had a difficult mom.
I've gone to therapy. I've dealt with it.
I'm a 51-year-old man.
I'm a father. I'm a husband.
I'm a good friend to people.
And I'm a positive influence in the world.
And it is sad because if you want a revolution, the Braveheart thing, yeah, you want a revolution run by guys with hairy legs who wear kilts in sub-zero temperatures and eat sheep's intestines.
That's what Those are the people you want.
You don't want people who are offended by tweets, who have to wrap themselves in the bubble wrap of political correctness, and who have this hypersensitivity followed by this insane rage.
Because this cry-bully stuff, you know, like you're so sensitive.
If you can't control your own feelings, you have to end up controlling other people.
If you can't control your own reactions to the world, you end up having to control the world.
And this is where the soft, feminized fascism comes in that only seems cuddly at the beginning and turns pretty brutal as time goes by.
I think it's scarier than male fascism, because that's just Genghis Khan.
That's like a meritocracy to a psychotic degree.
Promoting the weak will always be an outrage Ponzi scheme.
I love when you made the point, we're saving the left from the left.
It's like they all eat each other.
It's not like anyone gets out of that alive.
That's an outrage Ponzi scheme.
It's an economic Ponzi scheme, except with emotions, where it's like, who's our victim?
Who's our baby? It started with gays.
Okay, well, the gays got the rights.
Oh, no, now we've got to find a new victim.
Trans people, what are they, 12 of them in the country?
It's like they need that baby mentality so that people, because it's kind of like what you said about mommy issues.
It's like if someone can't argue your point, and you're really good at points, like that's your thing.
You're like, you will stress test a point like it's wings on a 747.
If someone can't come at that, I get it all the time.
I get called a bigot or a Nazi or a homophobe or all this stuff.
And it's like, oh, so you can't argue the point about healthcare?
Like, so you're going to call me a bigot?
Like, we're talking about market economics, you know?
And so I just think that that's what they do.
They try to demean us emotionally because if you can't push a policy with reason or objectivity, it has to be the...
Emotions. And Jordan Peterson had that great quote where he said, if religion is the opiate of the masses, I think this was Peterson.
I know I heard it from him.
I don't know if he made it up though, but he goes, then socialism is meth.
You know? It's meth that's bad at math.
Yeah, yeah. It's meth math.
It's math math. Yeah, where it's like the bubble wrap thing.
It's like there's nothing scarier than a weak animal.
You know, the wounded deer jumps highest.
It's like when you have someone who can't defend themselves, Like, some of my strongest, toughest friends are the least likely to be aggro in a bar because they're not scared.
They almost look at people, like with me, with hecklers.
I've done stand-up 16 years.
I used to be a heckler at a renaissance fair.
People threw tomatoes at my face when I was in high school.
It's like, if someone heckles me, I look at them like, I don't want to have to destroy you, man.
Just relax, you know?
Because I have the ability at any time to just go, doot, doot, doot.
Because all it is is redirecting It's like whatever someone yells, I don't judge them.
I judge what they have pride in.
Like a 400 pound man doesn't care if you call him fat, but someone 10 pounds overweight, 20 pounds overweight like me, it's like, you call me fat, I spiral.
You know, because it's like how I view myself.
And that's like, once a heckler heckles, you know they're weak.
You just go like this. And that makes me not aggressive with crowds.
It makes me actually very compassionate when someone yells out.
I try to work it out before I do the dismantle.
Well, also, I mean, if you're a little overweight and you're tall, it's much more noticeable.
You're not husky. You look like an anaconda with a giant dinosaur egg.
Like, it just shows up like a giant, like an absurdist kneecap or something.
It shows up that way. And this saving the laugh from themselves, I think, is really important as well.
Because to me, and I'm sort of working on this, I'm working on the love.
You know, I've been listening to a lot of Christians and working with the ideas that I grew up with in Christianity.
I've been working the love, and man, it's tough.
Because, you know, we got the combat.
We want to pick up a rusty sword and swipe it till our arms ache intellectually.
But I'm really working the love because I've been sort of thinking about if you look at a place like Iran.
Also, Iran, when the Islamists took over, they were aided by the leftists, that the radical leftists and the Islamists both have a common hatred of Christianity and the free market and separation of church and state and so on.
And what happened in Iran is the leftists, particularly the trade unionists, they worked with the Islamists, and then the Islamists just jailed and killed them all when they got into power.
I mean, if you could talk to Trotsky, right, Trotsky from the Russian Revolution, who ended up being gouged to death with an ice pick through his brain in Mexico under the orders of Stalin, if you'd have said to him, hey, man, I know you think communism is cool.
You get the hip glasses.
You get the Bioshock hair.
You think communism is really cool, but here's how it's going to play out, man.
You're going to end up on the run, haunted by the agents of Stalin, and they're going to end up treating you like a failed ice sculpture in Ottawa at the end of your days.
I think at some point he would have said, well, if that's how it's going to play out, I'm not sure I want to be in this movie anymore.
And we all know what happens.
Even the people who were communists in 1917, dedicated to the party, Half or three quarters of them ended up in show trials and executed and thrown into a shallow grave and plowed over with other bodies from the Holodomor and the Ukraine.
So we want to stop them because they don't see over the horizon.
They don't see what's coming.
They're just trying to get stuff and defend stuff and be emotional in the moment.
We who can see over the horizon at the massive pile of bodies that's coming if they get their way, it's like we have to almost lovingly take away this delusion that they have.
And like a guy with, like, who's meth and you take away his meth, he's going to rail and kick at you and hate you.
And then a year down the road, he'll be like, hey, man, you saved my life.
Thank you. Yeah, and that's why we need masculinity, because the maternal instinct would be like, whatever makes you feel bad, we'll get rid of.
And there's something to that for a two-year-old.
But the man, once someone's 9, 10, 11 years old, you have to be like, let's take some risks.
Let's skin that knee. Let's not be safe.
And the crazy thing for me is I think by the time the gulags hit, They're broken.
I think that's one thing about the progressive movement is it's fluid and it's based on power.
Postmodernism isn't based on believing anything.
I don't know if you know about the thing that happened to me in October where I lost my age and all that because I said trans children don't exist.
Giving hormone blockers to kids is child abuse.
The crazy reaction I saw, I realized that they have to not believe in anything to work.
You know, when you see, you know, what's his name, say that Comey got fired and the crowd claps, and then he's like, you shouldn't clap, though.
And they're like, oh, boo. Stephen Colbert, yeah.
They can't believe in anything.
And the thing that happens there, which is really sad, I think by the time they get marched to the gulag, they're broken.
They just go.
The thing that freaks me out is that they don't care about freedom.
Once you take that knee, once you say there's five lights and not four lights, there's almost nothing you're saving in yourself.
There's just no self-pride.
Well, this is interesting, too, because I think you were talking about three-year-old children being administered drugs.
And, of course, the left, if you say, well, children should be able to choose the terms of their own education.
They'll go insane. Like, oh no, absolutely not.
No way. Homeschooling is indoctrination or unschooling is this.
And, you know, we've got to get them into the government schools.
And if you say a 12-year-old should be able to walk two blocks to go to a park, you know, they'll be the first to call the cops.
The kid's out there unattended.
So kids can't make their own decisions.
And it's like, well, then...
It doesn't make much sense to me.
If there's no truth, if there's no reality, if there's no good or bad or right or wrong, this radical relativism, then the end result of that should be that you can't judge anyone.
There should be no political correctness if there's no such thing as truth.
You could look at the most horrible racist, but because there's no such thing as truth and there's no such thing as right and wrong, you have no right to judge that person.
And it's not what happens.
What happens is they don't believe that there's any truth or right or wrong, and that gives them the liberty to act as the most feral, destructive, fascistic-style mob that can be imagined.
It's the old thing that when you get rid of the big rules like objective morality and self-restraint, you don't end up with no rules.
You end up with a tyranny of tiny rules.
Yeah, because they still believe in power.
They may be like post-modernists, but they'll say anything to get power.
And it's like, sometimes, you know, the great irony about their tactics, about calling us racist, bigot, homophobe, is the only reason it works is because we're offended by it, because we don't want to be that.
And so, if you're playing football with four downs, like what we're trying to do, where you have goalposts, and someone comes in with a machine gun, it's like, that just...
It's the opposite of market economics.
It's the opposite of competition to have the cheapest, most high quality.
It's the opposite. It goes down to the most horrific thing imaginable.
It's like Bain. The one guy capable of doing the craziest thing will become king.
Stalin. Lenin's a bad dude, but he wasn't Stalin yet.
Marx is just this thinker, this egghead.
But he wouldn't have pulled a trigger.
And then Lenin would pull a trigger, but he wouldn't starve the Ukraine.
And then Stalin will starve.
It just keeps going down.
It's just this race to the bottom.
And I just don't know how you can live like that if you love your family.
And for me, I got more into this stuff when I had a kid.
When I'm like, I don't know what I deserve.
But he deserves a good life.
That's what made me more protective of him versus my life, I didn't have as much pride in it.
I was fine, but I don't know what I deserve.
I've known him since birth, and he deserves a world with rules and meritocracy and to fight for a family and love and a good career.
I can't let it slip.
People just don't see that free speech is the first, it's just a domino.
The easiest time to fight it is right now with words.
That's why I'll be extra provocative on Twitter, because I like to fight in the open field.
I want to see people come at me and hurt me, because then everyone else gets to see that they can't talk.
And I have 100,000 Twitter followers, I'm verified, all that stuff, they'll still put me in the Twitter gulag.
They don't see people, they see power.
Right about that. And the racism thing, too.
I mean, I've been called a racist, although I was very interested in the presidency of Donald Trump because I knew that it was going to be in particular great for blacks and Hispanics.
And lo and behold, Trump gets into the presidency, and the black unemployment rate is the very lowest it's been in American history, at least since the records have been kept.
What does that mean?
That means that black men have jobs, Hispanic men have jobs, and in particular, the black family, which has been eviscerated, as you know, by the welfare state and to some degree by affirmative action.
This means that black men now have jobs, and that means that there's going to be more cohesion and unity in the black family, which sets the stage for the next generation to grow up with fathers around, which controls some of the escalations of violence and all of that.
And black men have something to live for in terms of having a family to provide for, which means they restrain, as we all do, our worse impulses when we become fathers.
So it's just funny. Oh, he's such a racist.
And it's like, well, I'm not a very good racist if I have particularly advocated for things that have ended up benefiting minorities enormously, which, of course, I knew was going to happen.
Yeah, it's the least racist thing you can do is have the balls to say something that gets you attacked.
Because you know that the lazy river towards, you know...
A giant state.
They're going to go after the most vulnerable people, and then they'll eat them.
And then now they're going after the working class whites like they did the blacks.
The state is psychotic beyond racism.
They just see money.
And so they'll just dismantle any way they can.
Now, but when did you first start to think along these lines, Owen?
Because, you know, you may not have noticed this, but you're in somewhat of a leftist environment in the nightclubs.
It didn't used to be the case, but certainly it's more the case now.
When did this first, I mean, this is not something obviously you get out of government schools, but when did you first begin to take this path?
I think it was, if you look back at my comedy, it was never leftist.
It was always just funny.
And I think once the merit got taken out, and I would do a lot of male-female stuff, communication stuff, relationship stuff.
And once I started being called a sexist for saying men and women are different, that's when I really, because I felt threatened.
I was like, oh, I got to start looking into these people.
Because I never really saw the The threat the state created in my lifetime, I've watched our debt just exponential growth.
So watching that happen, watching how the government now overreached into my world of free speech and saying that I'm sexist for saying something that everyone knows is true, That women love the joke.
Like, the soap opera music guy is in a woman's head.
Like, I did that in a Comedy Central Hour special in 2014.
You know, Patton Oswalt would retweet it.
And then two years later, Patton Oswalt will unfollow me for something more benign.
And I'm like, oh, so you guys are all crazy.
You know? And some of my...
Like, my stance on abortion has shifted.
And my stance on welfare has shifted.
But that was just a lack of knowledge.
Like, I had never been around a pregnant woman.
I didn't know, like, just the...
You get brainwashed.
I still have brainwashing in my head from government schools and all that stuff that I fight with.
When you see someone you love, they start by seven weeks, they're vomiting and it's growing.
The Democrats want to abort it up to nine months.
At that point, it just breaks.
I'm like, oh, you guys are promoting a culture of death.
Then with the welfare state, I'm like, I thought it was kindness.
There was a moment I liked Bernie Sanders, and that is horrifying to say out loud, but you got to own your problems.
Because I thought that was kindness, because I hadn't read Thomas Sowell or all this stuff.
It's like once I felt threatened, then I got very educated on my own, and that's when you become a threat to these people.
Because government schools is Nina, Pina, Santa Maria, sit in the corner.
And then you start really reading about the difference between culture and race and all this stuff, and it's just intense.
And my fan base has grown exponentially since I started talking about stuff that I think matters more in people's lives.
I was part of the Hollywood culture where I would get a big chunk of money for a script that would never get made, and I was just on this lazy river of just hedonistic treadmill.
It's not evil, but you become a donkey.
It's right out of Pinocchio. And so I'm so lucky I fell in love with my wife and have a child because that's the thing that gets you out of it.
And no matter how much the state tries to be daddy, There's moments in love and life and music and stuff like that where they can't compete with that.
And that's why they're desperately trying to associate abortion with female empowerment and men with toxicity and all that stuff.
Because a heroic action by a man will snap you out of that funk if you're a woman.
And vice versa. When you love a woman, you no longer crave the anonymous, just sad existence of just going from woman to woman.
It's just, I can't imagine that now.
No, and the conflict, as you pointed out, between the state and parents is very important.
Like, we have a society where parents can't choose how their children are educated, but they can choose which chemicals to inject regarding gender.
And that just makes no sense to me in any way, shape, or form.
And I do think, though, that this question of what is funny these days is, I think there's so many people now who are kind of addicted to the unreality of propaganda that I think I've always sort of thought as comedians as sort of like advanced scouts for troops, for the truth.
You know, like comedians.
Comedians have to go out there and test the boundaries of what is acceptable and what can be talked about.
They're there for pushing the Overton window in many ways.
And now it seems like it's kind of they're working the opposite way.
They're trying to keep reality at bay for crazy people.
Like, that's what I had this whole thing about the late night comedians.
They're trying to keep...
Any kind of objectivity, any kind of facts, any kind of reality at bay for people who are delusional.
And in this sense now, they're serving a psychosis rather than an honorable message of disarming people through laughter so they can accept an unpalatable truth.
Yeah, comedians exaggerate to clarify, you know?
And I do a thing on stage talking about free speech, about how I go big, and then, oh, oh, I thought Colin Kaepernick was Puerto Rican.
Thanks for the intel. And then you just keep going, bed, dead, dead, dead, until you, it's like, you're just getting rid of dead wood.
And what's happening now, but the beauty is, though, is the fact that I'm just not doing that.
It's like Shostakovich in USSR. It's like, people are like, what?
Because you just stand out.
Because, like, if they're all going to do this nonsense, and comedy threatens authoritarians because you can't fake it.
You know, that's why a way to tell if someone's a propagandist is to see it.
Is the crowd laughing or clapping?
And a lot of these guys, they're just clapping.
Like, Stephen Colbert will be like, Donald Trump is full-blown Hitler.
And they're like... They're not laughing because it's not true.
Like, Dave Chappelle was always one of my favorite comedians.
And this last special was like, I really got sad because it was like he was contradicting himself in the special.
He's talking about, you know, how dumb these white people are for voting for Trump because he's not going to have their back.
And he's like, and they're covered in coal dust and they don't have jobs.
And then 10 minutes later, he's like, Trump is crazy.
He's talking about bringing jobs back.
And what the hell is coal?
So he contradicts himself in 10 minutes.
And I'm like... Oh man, because I love comedy even when it disagrees with me, but as long as it's coming from a point of view that they believe is true is everything.
I think people pay comedians just to hear the sound of someone who believes what they're saying.
Once people lose that, it's game over.
I don't think Trump read Mein Kampf because declaring Jerusalem the capital of Israel does not put you in the right camp for being a good Hitler.
Here's the funny thing, too.
I'm a little older than you, Owen.
When I grew up, maybe this was the case when you were young as well, the left was really creative.
Like really funky, like really cool.
I mean, a lot of the music from the 60s and the 70s came out of people from the left.
You had a fantastic anti-war movement.
There were great plays, great movies, important racial stuff.
Like I remember Sidney Poitier in movies when I was a kid and so on.
Like they really were pushing the boundaries of acceptable discourse and they were really creative and funky and fertile and just exciting.
Whereas I didn't really get that stuff from the right.
The right was like Barry Goldwater droning on about foreign policy, which was important, but just not very funky.
And now what's interesting is when you look at this big reality that the left can't meme to save their lives.
And the left has become this echo chamber of mainstream propaganda.
And you have comedians out there attacking Trump and defending basically giant corporate interests.
And then they think themselves are edgy.
And, of course, I know comedians love to think that they're edgy, but they're about as edgy as a Pillsbury doughboy.
And I just think that this switch from the creativity and fertility of the left and the relative stagnation of the right to now, where at least non-leftists tend to be a lot more original.
I don't know what's coming next in your comedy routine.
Every time I watch late comedians, it's a checklist of like five things.
You know, Trump is bad. Oh, whites are bad.
Oh, you know, like the racism and all the sexism.
You know exactly what the take is going to be, even down to the kind of joke they're going to make.
And that, to me, is astounding.
Because smart people want new stuff, whereas less smart people want repetition.
And crazy people, in particular, want repetition.
It's like the OCD of confirmation bias.
And if you want creativity, you can't go to the left anymore.
They just don't have it.
Well, yeah. And I think you can always tell which side is going to be more innovative and more creative.
Like, I'm on the right...
Because I know, and the way I know that is because I don't agree with everything of the left.
So if you're not in step, you're on the right.
So that's how you know that they're the bad guys.
It's like, I used to do a joke and then I realized it was actually on a BBC thing.
Someone sent it to me. I wrote it independently though, I never saw it, but where it's two Nazis are standing next to each other and they have skulls on their lapels and one's like, Hey, we got skulls on our lapels.
You think we might be the bad guys?
Where it's like when you need everyone to conform to everything you think, you're not creative.
And so the right is Anarcho-capitalist, libertarians, conservatives, republicans.
It's a lot of different thoughts.
And I think that's what makes it, like, I'm just done with leftism.
It's like, okay, you guys are nuts.
Let the adults work our way around this.
Because that's what's exciting now.
It's like, I just did Michael Malice's show, a buddy of mine, and I did Dave Smith, and Stephen Crowder.
These are all my friends. And they're all different types of right.
But, like, it's fun because we're all trying to find out what our truth is versus, like, if you say that Lena Dunham isn't Jesus, you die.
People watch us because they don't know what's coming next, whereas people watch the left because they know exactly what's coming next.
And I think that's a big...
That's a big division. Now, what has happened for you?
I haven't seen you talk about this, though maybe you have.
What's happened to you, Owen, regarding this sort of Me Too movement?
Because some of this kind of stuff in comedy can be pretty rough as far as gender relations and sexism and the grabbiness and the guy who was exposing himself to comics and so on.
Have you seen any of that?
What has been your reaction to some of this?
I think very necessary lifting the lid off a particular corner of sexual hell.
Yeah. It's definitely a dangerous place for women in that world because when you're dealing with power and not ethics, what I see happening in a lot of these scumbag guys, it's when someone gets a lot of money and power, but women still don't want them.
Imagine being Harvey Weinstein.
Imagine that hell where you're You're a king, but women still look at you like you're Jabba the Hutt.
And when you don't respect anything, you just start taking it.
When your dick needs to be propped up by a movie role, that's a small dick.
I'm just telling you that. Imagine the hatred for women these men develop because women never liked them because they're not good guys.
It's like what we were talking about earlier.
It's like they're not trying hard.
So they're going to attract these awful women that just want power and money.
And so they end up hating them for that.
So they're never around good women.
So then they start developing this like real misogyny and not the misogyny.
Like people will call us sexist when it's really just pointing out that like men and women are different versus these guys just hate women.
And they're the ones that are supposed to be the pussy hat.
I talk a lot about these guys because I'm like, male feminism is not marching around hoping they can wear down a couple girls with bad dads.
Male feminism is lying next to a screaming baby and not leaving and not disrespecting your wife.
Male feminism is pointing out the snakes in the garden.
We're protective. And the worst part for me isn't that there are bad guys out there.
It's all the people that didn't say anything.
Where you're like, I think that's one reason why they have such a problem with me now is I'll be like, hey, Jesse Thorne, the NPR guy, he says his kid's trans.
How crazy is that?
And everyone's like, you don't say names.
You just say there's a problematic culture.
You don't ever say names.
And I'm like, no, it's that guy right there.
He says his kid's trans. He's going to sterilize him.
And they're like, we can't be around you, Owen.
You're bad. And I'm like, Well, it's weird because women have always been attracted to me my whole life.
I think it's because I'm a good dude.
And you guys are never going to be able to fly away.
And handsome. And funny.
And musical. Thanks, man.
And this question of female responsibility is something that I wandered into.
It's not courage. It's just being a I was taught that women are equal to men, and I believe all of that.
It's not superiority or inferiority.
It's like if you have a jigsaw puzzle piece, the pieces are shaped differently, but you need all of them to make the picture.
It's not one superior to the other.
They're just different. I kind of wandered into this thing where...
Ah, single moms, right?
I've talked about single moms.
So I just kind of wandered in because I stupidly, and in hindsight, it really was entirely dumb, but I just, okay, I listen to the propaganda.
So women say they want to be equal to men.
Okay, good. You get freedom.
You get independence. You get the capacity to enter into your own contracts.
A-okay. I'm a father to a daughter.
I want all of this kind of equality.
You also get that lovely little thing called responsibility.
We're not going to demand that you have the draft, which of course are the states if you still have to register for.
So we're not going to say, well, you get the vote without having to get the draft.
Okay, we'll give you a freebie on that one because, hey, it's just war.
What does that matter? But... You want equality.
You want independence.
You want liberty. Great. Then you also get responsibility.
So then when I say, well, single moms have something to do with their own status, right?
They have something to do with their own status.
They made a bad choice.
They stayed with a bad man.
Often they would meet and date and then have sex with a bad man.
And so they have some responsibility in the matter.
And then it was like, I just walked into this giant cheese shredder that only seems to accept testicles because people just went completely insane.
And it's like, but to me, real feminism is saying to women, you are full and complete human beings.
You have equal liberties and equal responsibilities to men.
And if men make bad decisions, guess what?
You got to live with it.
If you decide as a kid, you're going to pick on the guy who's, you know, got 50 pounds on you because you want to be the tough guy, you kind of have to live with that bad decision out Yeah.
Well, the irony is so deep, I can't even write jokes about it.
It's so ironic that it's not even funny.
It's like the bigotry of low expectations.
It's like, listen, These people are retarded, so we got to treat them like, you know, it's just crazy.
It's the same with, oh, and I use that word properly.
I do a whole bit about that. It means underdeveloped.
You know, like how moron technically means IQ 50 to 69 and idiot is 0 to 25.
Anyway, I'm not going to get on that rabbit hole, but like women aren't the same as men.
I like equality of opportunity, not outcome.
I think that equality of outcome is everything that's wrong with it.
It's like, My brother's a tree guy, so I do tree work.
My hands are messed up.
We do tree work together, and there's no women.
None of them are doing the James Damore clamor.
It's never like, where's the equality of women in Arbor?
It's so dangerous, and it doesn't pay anything.
They just want I don't get it.
It's not even always the women.
It's the white knight guys.
It's the state. It's the propaganda machine.
When you're honest with a woman, a lot of times their eyes light up and they're like, thank you.
I'm so sick of being lied to.
It's the same with the black population.
The bigotry will all expectations.
A lot of people on the left I know in LA where I was talking about how Planned Parenthood will kill one and two black conceptions.
And basically they're like, yeah, we got to protect them though.
I mean, they're animals. They just breed, you know?
And I'm like... Do you not hear yourself?
Like, you sound so much more bigoted than anyone on the right I've ever talked to, ever.
Well, this is people on the left. Well, you can't possibly expect any blacks to have any kind of identification, and therefore, like, voting ID laws.
It's like, what? 100%.
They can't fill out a form?
Okay, but if you believe that, then why are you saying?
Oh, my. I don't know. That is just horrendous.
That's why I'm so paranoid about white supremacy. It's kind of like the biggest, you know, the biggest homophobes are always closet gay guys, you know?
Where it's like, why is that guy playing piano?
He probably wants to blow me.
It's just these jumps.
It's the same with these guys, calling everybody white supremacist.
It's like, are you a white?
Do you think we're special?
You know what I'm saying? Where it's like, they're projecting what they believe on us all the time.
And it's like, you'll see benign statements and everyone's like, oh, you're a white supremacist.
And I'm like... I think you're projecting, buddy.
Well, the thing is, too, white is not an ideology.
It's just a biological category.
And there are actually ideologies out there in the world that say, we are the best and everyone else should serve us.
But those ideologies aren't called out as supremacists, even though it's explicit.
Whereas being right is just a biological category.
I don't know. I mean, this could go on for days.
I called him out. I just did a video called It's Time to Submit to Tolerance.
Yeah. I make a huge distinction between Muslim individuals and Islam.
It sounds like Islamism as a political force.
And I just find that to be a given.
That's why it's kind of hard sometimes talking to idiots.
You recently said that my tribe is smart people.
And I think once I realized that, life became a lot more enjoyable, where I'm like, I was raised Catholic.
If someone does a pedophile priest joke, I'd laugh my ass off.
It's like, because I'm intelligent enough to separate a funny thing from just...
To me, that's such basic intelligence that if I'm making fun of burkas, it doesn't mean I'm attacking your chiropractor.
It's tough because I feel a responsibility to not push things that aren't true, but I also can't lie.
It would bog down the joke to explain Islam as a political force and how some Muslims are secular.
I just can't do it.
So I just, you know, do the joke and then hopefully people understand that.
Well, the asterisk kills comedy, right?
Because the asterisk stands for snowflake.
And asterisks, if you've got to do the footnote, I'm sorry, your whole momentum is done as a comedian.
That's so true. Now, what about fatherhood?
Because I think this is... An important thing.
I changed a lot after I became a father, of course, right?
And I was thinking about the abortion thing, too.
Like, I'm sure you did, too.
You go to the doctor, and they do the ultrasound, and you can hear, right?
This little heartbeat.
It looks like a little tiny Pac-Man that never gets anywhere.
And you see this incredible cone of a life starting from a dot and growing into something that makes my daughter's hilarious, just makes the funniest jokes.
Welcome to my show!
This question of being a father, it has to lengthen your window of how you look at the world.
Because when it comes to national debt, you know, okay, well, we may die before the national debt comes due, but our kids won't.
And so it changes your whole window.
You get a culture of life versus death, you know?
And it's like, or for me, it wasn't a culture of death.
It was just a culture of whatever, you know?
But once my kid was...
Once we conceived and once I met my child, it changed.
I tell that to people.
I'm like, be part of a culture of life.
There's nothing more valuable than life.
What else is there?
Gold? Bitcoin?
Two great things. It's like a beating heart and that smile, the future.
That's what made me feel guilt about debt.
That's what made me feel like if I didn't speak out about free speech now and my son can't make a joke in 20 years, I couldn't look him in the eye because I didn't do my best trying to use my place in the world to spread stuff.
And a great personal loss, apparently, but then not.
I thought I was done.
All my college gigs just cancel, cancel, cancel, cancel.
I was a pariah briefly.
And then my career reemerged and I'm so much happier.
You're switching boats.
You switch boats, you stand on the pier for a while.
That's all. You're just switching boats.
Totally. And it's like, I have just better conversations now because the thing about leftism now versus comedy in 2010, LA was so different.
Like when you watch Tosh and Galifianakis and all those guys on stage, it was fun.
It was rockstar stuff.
It was punk. You know, it was like Galifianakis would say stuff that you wouldn't believe.
And then it became like, I watched the totalitarianism emerge and, you know, it took a while for me to I don't really see it, but having a kid and also the Beyonce thing that happened to me, those things really woke me up.
Like, when she did the Black Power thing, and I basically just pointed out how identity politics will inevitably lead to, like, real white pride, and I don't know if they want to open those doors.
You know, I was like, imagine if Kid Rock just wore a KKK hat, you know, and I was on the cover of Yahoo as a racist, and I didn't even think it was a great joke.
I thought it was an obvious observation that if you're going to do a Because that's a secular event.
The Super Bowl isn't hers.
It's all of ours. And if you're going to do this, like, that's associated with some seriously negative stuff.
Well, when she does that, of course, everybody wants to talk about white nationalists and white supremacists because you can't ever call a thing a thing.
I think also I do have the feeling that, oh, and it's a lot easier to be offensive if nobody can fucking spell your name.
Because then they get really offended, but they just don't know how.
Galifianakis? Yeah, good luck with that.
I really hate that. What the fuck is this?
Anyway, so... I know, but PC wasn't like it is now.
It was like, I've seen him, like he does, like he said, like all these guys, he used to be so fun.
You know, I used to, I sang a song about how I wanted Jimmy Fallon to get AIDS. It's hilarious.
I'm painted on the wall at the Hollywood Improv.
Like, I've always been this way.
Now, if I went out to LA now, oh man, with my normal, natural personality of like my mom who, you know, raised me to be skeptical and my dad, you know, raising me to See rhetoric and persuasion and stuff, it's like I wouldn't get anywhere.
Except for the people that always helped me were always very rational people, like Adam Sandler, Vince Vaughn.
You know, like, those guys are great, but in general, that monolith is just garbage.
But that connection, I think that connection that you have with your mom, which sounds like a beautiful thing and is wonderful to hear about, I think that connection gives you a kind of superpower.
Like for people who don't, like they were raised in daycare, they were raised by ferocious peers, it was all Lord of the Fly shit.
I think those people who don't have objectivity, they don't have philosophy, they don't have a bond that they can be absolutely certain of regarding a parent.
And they have a kind of fragility and they don't have kids.
So they have a kind of fragility that I used to view as more dangerous.
And it is still dangerous.
You're right about the cornered animal thing.
But I am sort of growing into, I think I feel like it's a very, very sad situation to be that nervous, to be that afraid, to be that self-censorious.
If you're constantly biting your tongue and battening down all the hatches on your natural spontaneity, it is like the sort of parody of the Catholic.
I'm full of Satan.
I must grit my teeth and restrain every impulse that I have.
I mean, this dictatorship of the self, which leftism, for all of its contempt for Christianity, has recreated, I think, some of the worst self-censorious aspects Of religion.
And I feel what a torturous world to live in, in your own mind.
Like, you wake up in the morning. You know, it's like that guy, the IT guy that Project Veritas revealed at the New York Times, where he's like, yeah, it's a beautiful day.
You say to these guys, it's a beautiful day.
They're like, yeah, it is a beautiful day, but fuck Donald Trump.
You know, like, you can't enjoy anything.
You can't, like, there's this, that grim Puritan joylessness.
That was not part of the left, originally.
The left may have gone a bit too hedonistic.
They had some fun. But now there's this rampant, ascetic joylessness and a crushing of joy.
They've become these psychotic Puritans that, oh, human happiness, well, slavery, racism, colonialism, whitishness, oh, can't have any fun, can't have any fun.
I mean, God, they've just become everything that they despised.
Yeah, if they weren't threats to me, I'd view them as victims.
And all their anti-white stuff, I could take it with a grain of salt.
When I see my son, this beautiful, wonderful little white kid dancing in the kitchen, they're not going to talk that way about white people because he's white.
And you're not going to set up a world that way.
And I think, to your point, it's almost like police.
When you have a very well-trained cop, it's night and day from a cop that isn't well-trained, where everything's a snake.
Their pulse is up.
Malcolm Gladwell wrote that book, Blink, about it, where They see threats where there are no threats.
I think this is a generation of indoor cats, where when you're not allowed to go outside and hunt and make mistakes and fall, it's like, get inside, Timmy, there's autism in the grass.
I do a bit about that, about how I'd come home missing a tooth at eight, and my mom would be like, what happened?
I'm like, I kicked a kid and he punched me, and she's like, Don't kick hands.
Don't do that. Yeah, that's right.
I think I got molested.
She's like, what happened? I'm like, he said he had candy in his sweatpants, but it was his wiener and I ran home.
She's like... You can brush that one off, but don't go down that road.
And candy, you know, risk-reward on that.
It's pretty cheap. You know, like, just the darkest fears that came out of the milk carton generation, where they found one kid from all of that.
One. And it was like a family member had kidnapped a kid.
But it's just every morning, just a picture of a kidnapped kid.
Well, you know, this, I mean, kids are safer in many ways now.
Although neighborhoods have been somewhat undermined by multiculturalism, and there is that issue.
But kids are safer in general now than they ever have been before.
Except, of course, again, back in the home of single moms where kids are 35 times more likely to be abused.
That's in my mind when you told me that.
Yeah, so if you're so concerned about kids, let's reunite the family.
If you're so concerned about the safety of women, let's reunite the family.
Where are women and children the safest?
Absolutely not even in a close second.
They are safest in a pair-bonded marital household with a stable provider.
That is where women are the safest.
And that is where children are the safest.
Man, you want to see abuse, violence, and horrifying stuff, you go look at lesbian relationships.
Those are off the charts when it comes to abuse.
So if you want, if you're concerned about security and safety for women and children, you better be rebuilding that family unit.
Otherwise, it's just I don't even know what to say.
Yeah, you can watch it with David Attenborough when a new bear comes in.
It's like, yeah, we have a black bear.
It's like, he kills the FOMA children.
You know, it's like this weird biological imperative that when a new man comes in and other kids, I mean, I'm sure most of the time they're okay, but in general, there's an instinct to be like...
It's like, mommy, mommy, why is that new male lion playing so roughly with the cubs?
Yeah, why is he trying to destroy our genetic thing that he has to pay for that isn't him?
You're right. A caring father invested in his family, because that's the number one predictor of success, isn't race or money.
It's, are your parents married?
And that's why it's like, even though we would have made more money by not getting married, we still got married out of the principle of it.
Because the welfare state's pushing you.
We could have been Not married, and she could register as a single mom, but it felt wrong.
There's a lot of things worth sacrificing money over.
There's something to saying my wife, my husband, my family, even if they're trying to entice us with these little trinkets.
Oh, it's funny, you know, this question of money.
Everyone, of course, has this fantasy and this drive and this desire.
If I get money, things are going to be great.
But, you know, there's a reason that they use the same word for a demon inhabiting your body and stuff that you own.
Like, possession is the same word for both things.
I have no problem with people having stuff.
Of course, it's fine. We need stuff to live.
But I remember, this is back when I was broke as a student.
I was living... I had a roommate.
And I was living in a pretty nice little condo.
I had a little tiny room there.
And in the bottom of the condo was this big pool and a big gym.
And I used to go exercise and swim and all of that.
I remember once just sitting in there and thinking like, man, I'm broke.
Be nice to have a house with this pool and this gym, like all this money and this would be fantastic.
And I just remember sitting there, it's like, but I'm alone.
And if I had all of this stuff, I had all this, you know, I had this house with this pool and this gym.
I'm working out alone.
I'm swimming alone.
I'm eating alone.
I'm watching TV alone.
And maybe people will come over, but they'll come over for the pool.
They won't come over for me.
And I'll never know if they're coming over for me or for the giant theater.
And I just remember thinking like, okay, I got nothing against money.
That's fine. But man, it's not going to do anything to make me less alone.
And that is, of course, the problem with the women without kids.
Why do they want the state so much?
Because who's going to take care of them when they get older?
Who's going to be with them when they get older?
Who's going to give them resources when they go old and forgetful?
Who's going to come by and visit?
Well, if you don't have kids, you miss out on that whole tribe, that whole unity, that whole support system.
The welfare state of biology is what we're designed for.
Everything else becomes increasingly predatory.
Yeah, like, who knows you?
That's like another thing. It's like, who shared your story?
Yeah. Like, me and my wife talk sometimes, like, we grew up together.
That's how, we've known each other for almost seven years, but in that seven years, I went from this, like, I was always a good dude.
I was never one of these Hollywood scumbags, but I would just party and drink, and I was all about getting lights on me and getting painted on the wall, and then I'd pass out and I had a dog.
But then you grow up.
Now I work, and I just love it.
I can't imagine the hell that that would be to not have human beings in your life and have it be replaced by stuff.
Yeah, or human beings passing by.
You know, like, hey, had sex with someone else who has to leave in the morning and doesn't want to know who the hell I am.
That is... Yeah, dude, Adam Sandler, like, that's one thing that drew him to me was, I did a joke when I was 24.
Like, I even saw some of this back in the day.
I just don't, you know, I guess I hadn't met Amy yet.
That's a romantic version of it, or my biology wasn't ready.
But... I used to do a joke where I'm like, yeah, I'll have a one night stand and the next morning someone will be like, what do you want to do for breakfast?
I'm like, what do you want to do for Christmas?
I'm attaching. Yeah, I was almost lusting family because I always had a loving family and then out in LA I was so alone that like, I wasn't like one of those creepy songs we were talking about earlier, but I was always like, Some of my favorite parts.
It's one of those things you can't really complain about to men because they just look at you with envy and anger and they don't internalize.
It's kind of like when a billionaire complains about why they want to kill themselves because they have no more purpose.
People look at him like, you go to hell.
It's the same with this stuff. I could be lusted by these women and get not only nothing from it, but it was almost a negative because I get to see what I could have with a family and just Groundhog's Day over and over and over again.
And then you start thinking, like, is this just me?
Like, am I even lovable? Like, I know women want me, but do they love me?
And it's really not, like, people have to really think about what other people's existences are like.
And I just think that if people did some more time self-reflecting, that they could be a lot happier.
Well, I think for any decent man, you know, there's this comparison of the penis or the cock to a sword.
You know, you're a swordsman and so on.
It's like in and out it goes and off you go on your merry way.
But I think for any kind of half decent man, your cock is actually just a tentacle.
It attaches, it sticks, it wraps around, and it wants to stay.
All right.
Well, listen, I'm going to leave on that wonderful, inspiring note.
I really appreciate your time.
Tentacle winner.
Yeah, we wanted to, I wanted to mention that Owen and I are both going to be at the Cernovich event tonight for Freedom.
This is Saturday, January the 20th.
Yeah, you were right. 2018 in New York.
And we've got frequent free domain guests, of course, Mike Cernovich, Gavin McInnes, Michael Malice, who is entirely too happy for a man with that name.
A lot of people, you can get your tickets now at anightforfreedom.com.
That's anightforfreedom.com.
And if you want to check out, oh, and listen, I mean, it's very generous of you, of course, to put so much comedy online.
Check it out.
The dude is brilliant and hilarious and, you know, gets every conceivable comedy drop out of that skyrocketing IQ.
Upcoming comedy dates.
Let's date this entire show.
Burlington in Vermont, January 25th to 27th.
Saranac Lake, New York, February 24th.
Houston, Texas, March 8th to 11th.
Brooklyn, New York, March 15th.
Cleveland, Ohio, March 15th.
March 22nd in Chicago, Illinois.
March 23rd to catch his live show is well worth it.
So I really, really wanted to thank you so much for your time.
It was a great pleasure to chat. Oh, thank you, man.
