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Sept. 10, 2017 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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3819 Take The Red Pill | Candace Owens and Stefan Molyneux
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Hi, everybody. Stefan Molyneux from Free Domain Radio here with Candice Owens.
She goes also under the name Red Pill Black.
You can follow her on Twitter.com slash Red Pill Black.
Facebook.com, I'm going to give you three guesses.
Yes, that is correct. It's Red Pill Black.
And Instagram.com forward slash Red Pill Black.
And I just wanted to say before we start, some of the funniest videos, bar none, on the internet.
We'll put a link to a couple below just for you to get a flavor of the woman's humor and brilliance.
Candice, thank you so much for taking the time today.
Absolutely. I'm honored to be here.
So, for people who don't know you, and you know, it's funny because we all, in a sense, start as liberals, as socialists on the left.
It is kind of the state of early childhood, you know, when you don't have to work for your daily bread.
And it is part of our general education in government schools, paid by the state.
Not very big on criticizing the state, unless there's a Republican in power.
But what was your journey?
Because it's a pretty wide pendulum that you've swung from where you started to where you are, and who knows where you may end up.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
So, yeah, I had this very unique experience in high school that was categorized as a hate crime.
Pretty much one night from school, I was sitting on my couch, and I got three missed voicemails.
And they were these really awful, awful, awful...
It was four male voices on the line screaming, saying they were going to tar and feather my family, that they were going to put a bullet in the back of my head as they had done to Martin Luther King.
Rosa Parks is listed in great detail all of these black people that had died traumatically and said they were going to kill me.
Long story short, I only knew one person in the car that night.
It was a case of high school drinking and like, I don't like this girl, I'm going to call her and let's shout into the phone.
And the argument that I had with that friend was like I was hanging out more with my boyfriend.
It was something very, very petty and not a big deal, but ended up blowing up because one of the individuals in the car who I'd never met in my life was the current governor of Connecticut's son, Governor Daniel Molloy, who is a Democrat.
So instantly it was front page news.
I went into school the next day, told the teacher.
He was like, you have to tell the principal.
The principal heard it and, you know, freaked out and called the cops.
And, you know, next thing I know, I'm front page throughout Connecticut newspapers.
And, of course, we've got, you know, local chapters, not Black Lives Matter, but, you know, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson.
You know, they want to be there.
They want to meet on the front steps and show, you know, the face of trauma for, you know, a black girl.
They had never spoken to me prior, but they were outside with cameras in tow because it was an opportunity for them to get their, you know, that's their whole shtick.
Yeah, so it was an incredibly crazy time and it shaped me early on and I was terrified to be a person because I got stuck to this story of a victim of a hate crime and that wasn't really how I felt.
I would have totally appreciated someone I'm a big person that believes that technology allows children to disengage in this way.
If I tell you, Stefan, here's your cell phone, we're going to call somebody, scream and shout, especially when you're a child, you're trying out mean in general.
You know what I mean? Like, how mean can I get?
It's a lot easier to do it from behind a cell phone.
It's a lot easier to do it after a couple of beers.
And, of course, opportunistic adults and politics.
And we ended up in this huge situation that I think traumatically affects the lives of every single person that was involved in that.
Well, it's funny, too. Sorry to interrupt, but it just struck me.
We can touch on this later.
How boys who drunk dial, so to speak, are 100% responsible, but Sometimes women who have drunk sex, well, that's a whole different matter.
And I don't want to get into the grim details, but I did read sort of some of the epithets and the arguments that were left on your voicemail.
And I mean, it was almost satanic in terms of like every conceivable button that you could push to hurt someone, you know, based on race, based on gender, based on, you know, traumatic American history, based on every volatile wound that you could jab your salty fingers into, they did. That to me is, it's kind of a...
If there's one thing the internet and any kind of notoriety or fame teaches you is that there are some people out there who have like this laser scalpel rub right where the nerves are ability.
If there was ever a temptation that I might succumb to, Lord knows there'd be more than one.
But it would be one of these, like I'm really bad at that.
Like I've known some people in my life, they know what to say where you're just like, oh, I didn't even feel the shiv go in and now it's coming out my back.
I think it's also a condition of adolescence.
I think the worst people in the entire world are kids because they don't know yet.
You're learning that you can hurt somebody and then powered with a cell phone, it's different.
When you were in school, and I was just at the tipping point when Facebook first arrived on the scene when I was in high school.
It's a different world now for children with technology.
Well, you used to have to say it to their face.
Yeah, and that's a little harder.
And that's a whole different world of courage and, you know, then you better be ready because I'm terrible at that.
that.
Like, I mean, there are times when I'm like, oh, I'd really like to.
And then it's like, I don't even know what's not an argument.
You know, I don't know what to say to really hurt people.
But there are people out there who have this incredible verbal sadism or verbal cruelty ability, and they kind of sniff the weakness and know exactly where to go.
And that's one of the things I think that keeps a lot of good and healthy and powerful voices off the internet is just knowing that it's like falling asleep in the desert.
You're going to wake up with some damn vulture pucking at your eyeballs.
That is exactly right.
Yeah, so it was an experience, I would say, and something that I couldn't process when I was a child.
But then when I became an adult, I was kind of like, you know, wait a second.
Like, how do you brand...
One of the children in the car was 14.
How do you brand a 14-year-old a racist, right?
You know, how do you... Nobody stopped to actually try to think about the conditions that set up children to do these sort of awful things.
And I did.
When I kind of came out the other side, I went through a huge bout with anorexia and I kind of wanted to fly under the radar.
I didn't want anyone to know who I was for a very long time.
When I got to the other side, I felt very passionate about how the internet and technology affects children and being able to log on and read about yourself.
Knowing that it took me nearly six years to get over people who didn't know me just injecting their opinions about a situation.
Like, you know, she must have done it for attention, you know, not knowing that my teacher went I didn't go to the police.
And that is how it brought me to social autopsy.
After spending, I was in finance for four years working to pay back my student loans.
And then I had this idea that I could sort of create an anti-bullying platform with my experiences happening in high school in mind and with the idea that it was going to be something that ultimately would help children.
Right, right. And this whole, I mean, we could probably do an entire other conversation about this, Candice, but this whole question of technology's influence on socialization, on empathy, on loneliness, and so on, you know, because it's like everyone wants to document their lives, which makes some people feel very much included and other people feel very much included.
Excluded. There are social evites and so on, which if you don't get one.
And, you know, now I've heard from some of younger friends that I have, you know, that socialization is often, well, now we're not looking at our cell phones in our own bedrooms.
We're gathered around a living room all looking at our own cell phones.
I've heard stories of like one girl would literally text to another girl in the same room.
That to me is completely bizarre.
It happens. It really does happen.
That's sort of where the world is heading.
There's now people that have YouTube channels.
Children watch children play other games on YouTube.
It's unbelievable. And they've got massive followings and these kids are getting paid to play games.
So now it's like, forget going outside.
Now you can log on a computer and watch what it looks like when a kid plays.
I don't know. Yeah, we're definitely in an interesting time and it was something that I was interested in.
And I say somewhat naively because, again, when I stumbled upon trying to solve the thing with the internet, I had no idea what an SJW was.
Nothing about trolling.
I wasn't on Twitter. And I accidentally landed myself in the middle of what was sort of one of these huge internet debates, which I didn't know anything about, but it was Gamergate.
Well, and let's jump into that in a second.
But I mean, I sort of, I mean, I really want to empathize with this.
And for other people, it's important to be prepared for this kind of stuff.
Like I grew up in an environment where debates were king.
And crying was like, you know, there's no crying in debates.
If you cry, you lose. If you get too emotional.
lose.
And it was sort of part of a strategy that you would try and sometimes get someone riled up to make them look bad in a debate.
But my friends and I debated all the time and within my family.
And I don't remember a single friendship fundamentally ending because of a debate.
There may have been different values and so on, which would cause people to drift apart, to deviate.
But because of a debate, winning or losing, there was no beginning or end of a friendship based upon that.
And so because that was sort of my experience, and it's easy to mistake the internet for your social circle.
It's easy to think, well, this is just me with a bunch of other keyboards or my friends, but it's not.
It's like there's a whole different world out there when it comes to making public debates, particularly if it threatens people economic or potential political power or interest and so on.
It's like, I'm going to go dance through the tulips and I'm going to give everyone my arguments.
And it's like, hey, did I hear a click?
And then boom! You know, like you're the shower of red mist.
And it's like, it's really crazy out there when...
And it took me a while to sort of adjust to this.
You have to get that sort of thick skin, what Tolstoy said, you know, like you have to...
In order to survive in a public life, you have to let go of the lies that people tell about you.
Right. And that transition from...
You know, you grew up and you say, you know, your mom gave you lots of novels to read.
I'm sure there was great conversations.
I come from a very verbal family, as you can imagine.
And it is very different out there when you come crashing into the sort of bladed language of others and the hysterical overreaction.
So, with that sort of background, I wonder if you can talk a little bit about the Gamergate phenomenon and how it affected you.
Honestly, so again, I built a platform for anti-bullying with children in mind, and I just thought that it wasn't about trying to strip anonymity on the internet.
It was about assigning responsibility.
So in my head, this is actually how naive my idea was.
It was going to sort of be to start this...
In Connecticut, where I grew up, where this happened to me, where if you could say to children, like, what you see on the internet, and I'm talking about these children that get on and say, die, die, die, kill yourself.
This is why 11-year-olds are killing themselves over Snapchat.
This didn't happen when I was growing up because Snapchat didn't exist when I was growing up.
And homicides are down, but suicides are up among teenagers because everyone's staying home and getting traumatized by text.
Right. Exactly. That is exactly right.
So that was sort of what my concern was because what I went through was very suicidal and that was before there was Snapchat and all these other avenues for children to get lost on.
So I thought if we could assign a little bit of responsibility, you know, and say you wrote this and something that kids really care about like football and sports and things that actually matter, they'll start to just start to register that like the internet is real.
It's not something that you can play with and you're Treating, I guess, cell phones a little bit more of like a weapon at that age was what my big idea was.
I put up a Kickstarter to raise money for it, and I created this video for it, and I said one sentence, and I'm convinced that this is the sentence that tripped everything off, is I said, what we're doing is figuratively lifting the mask up off of trolls.
Kickstarter was up for maybe 24 hours and I got contacted by a girl named Zoe Quinn who described herself proudly.
And I knew that this immediately would let me know that she wasn't a victim because she didn't know that she was speaking to a victim.
And victims don't wear like a badge.
You don't say, I'm the victim of, you know, gamer game.
You know, trust me. I'll show you what the victims do.
She calls me and she's very pompous and she explains to me that she was attacked by anonymous white men on the internet and that she wanted to help me out.
I'm sorry. Just out of curiosity...
I'm trying to put the circle of anonymous with the square of white men together.
If they're truly anonymous, how does she exactly know their race again?
Exactly. Gamergate was all about anonymous white gamers on the internet.
This is what they did, but it was anonymous.
No one ever got arrested, but they knew that these were white gamers.
Who knows if they're gamers?
You know what I mean? That's right, because only white.
I've never seen an East Asian on a video game.
It never happens. I've never seen any minority play a video game.
She explains to me, and she's like, I'm here to help you, and you need to pull your Kickstarter ASAP or else.
I already see it happening.
She goes, you probably don't know about 4chan.
I didn't. You probably don't know about this or that.
But if you don't pull down your Kickstarter right now, these anonymous white males, I already see them talking.
I'm letting you know because I look at 4chan.
They're going to come and they're going to attack you.
And these are vicious Trump supporters, she says to me.
So I speak to her. This is literally what she said to me.
I speak to her and I say, you know what?
I'm sorry that you went through that.
Immediately, my bells were ringing.
I knew that everything she was saying was just off.
She was too proud to be a victim.
And I said, I'm not going to pull something that I just injected my personal funds into just to get it going, get the splash page up.
And, you know, I'll deal with that tide when it comes, you know.
And she grew hysterical.
She started crying on the phone.
And she said to me, if you don't take your kickstarter down, and this was the sentence that I will never forget, it will ruin everything.
And she hung up the phone.
Ruin everything. Ruin everything.
What could it possibly ruin? Now, you would think of someone who was a victim of a...
If she actually thought that I was creating a technology that was going to tell her who harassed her, she would want that technology.
But she said to me, no, as a victim, I can tell you that once you get through it and you get through the harassment, you actually don't want to know who harassed you is what she was trying to explain to me.
Made absolutely no sense. It was...
It was borderline retarded.
Honestly, the conversation was borderline retarded.
She was telling me that even if I had created something that gave her the tools to figure out who ruined her life, she didn't want to know who ruined her life because she had empathy for them.
She had developed a sympathy and empathy for them is what she explained to me on the phone.
Wow. But not for Trump supporters, apparently, who are just plain vicious.
None of that. None of that.
Now, that's interesting, too, because, of course, one of the great myths of Internet abuse is that it's a male-perpetrated, male-dominated sphere of Some of the studies that I've read seem to suggest that it does tip a little bit more towards the fairer sex, so to speak, that there is a lot of abuse, like who uses the B word and the S word and the C word and so on.
Those tend to be a little bit more of the female persuasion from what I've read.
Have you seen those kinds of studies as well?
I can just tell you because I experienced it.
I haven't seen the studies. I haven't read the articles.
I knew what she was selling me, and I know what happened immediately after I refused to comply by her orders.
And by the way, at this time, it's very important to mention, she was the head of Twitter's anti-harassment arm.
They had verified, given her a checkmark, and it said the official, it was called Crash Override Network, and the official anti-harassment Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, and of course, the thing is, if she had some criticism about your methodology, she could have joined forces, she could have given you advice, you could have had a discussion.
And then, of course, the attacks did commence, if I remember rightly.
Within two hours, we had not received a single email, nothing had happened.
I hung up the phone with her, and just like she said, unbelievably, you know, everyone, and amazingly, they kept picking these handles and these email addresses that were like, white guy for Trump, like these super obvious Pathetically, at least I require a little more intellect if you're going to try to game me.
You know what I mean? This was so obvious.
It was like, you know, another white man for Trump.
And it was nigger, nigger, nigger, die, die, die.
We're going to kill you. She told me they were going to dox me.
I didn't know what dox meant. They sent me a map of my entire family down to my 80-year-old grandfather who lives in North Carolina.
And some people that weren't my family, poor people that just had the last name Owens that were being doxed.
4chan. If you don't take down this Kickstarter, they inundated the Kickstarter.
That's how I was getting the emails. They inundated it with all of these threats, just telling me that they were going to kill me and they were going to kill my family.
A lot of racial epithets and a lot of the word Trump all over.
So it was supposed to be me going, oh, obviously Trump supporters are attacking me.
And she wanted me to go out and say, oh my God, this is happening.
But instead, I... I went on my Twitter.
At that point, I had a following.
They were all starting to follow me on social media.
I was using this hashtag, GamerGate, because that's what she had told me about it.
I said, Zoe Quinn harassed herself.
It's open and shut, obviously.
This girl calls me. She threatens me.
I don't comply by her order.
She says it's going to ruin everything.
The next thing you know, I'm getting harassed.
It was her. Me making that statement, I woke up.
The Washington Post was trying to call me.
The New York Magazine called me.
I'm a girl who is a nobody who had a Kickstarter up for 48 hours.
Kickstarter pulls my campaign.
No, they don't give me any reason.
They say, you know, they were inundated with people saying that, you know, the same thing YouTube does.
It's against our guidelines.
What guideline are we talking about for an anti-bullying startup?
Could this possibly be against?
And people were, they were trying to use the word pedophilia.
So they started saying that they were tweeting the FBI. She's creating something that's going to help pedophiles.
Just imagine your name being even linked to something that dirty.
But this is a liberal trick.
This is what they do. You know, racism, sexism, pedophilia.
This is how they try to take people down swiftly and aggressively.
By tying their names to something as impure and disgusting as that.
So imagine, you know, psychologically what that did to me.
Trying to create something that's going to help children.
Now being accused of creating something that's going to help pedophiles.
And Kickstarter pulled it down and I was just like...
What the heck just happened in 48 hours of trying to do a feel-good passion project?
And next came the media, the left media, who I thought I could trust.
Enough with the amateur trolls.
Let's bring on the professionals.
Let's bring on the people that can actually write an article about you and ruin your entire life.
Okay? Who can actually, because people don't know how to think for themselves.
So if they write an article that this girl tried to help pedophiles, that's going to be taken.
That's going to stick with me for the rest of my life.
So yeah, I get contacted by Jesse Singel of New York Magazine and he's like, yeah, I saw that you tweeted about, you know, Zoe Quinn harassing herself.
I just wanted to talk to you on the phone.
You know, he plays the nice guy.
And I speak to him and it seems to be a great conversation.
The article he publishes Could not be more opposite than what he and I had discussed.
He is basically trying to gaslight me.
This was a girl who maybe was going to do a good thing, but then she fell down this myth of the Gamergate, the Gamergate conspiracy theory.
Zoe Quinn is a girl that was really actually harassed and these terrible things happened for her and poor girl got lost and mixed up in this Gamergate thing.
I'm like, I just opened and showed you the conversation, the screenshots of her contacting me on Twitter and you actually think that you're painting me out to be the crazy person.
Right after him, Caitlin Dewey of the Washington Post contacted me.
But this time, you know, my spider sentences were up.
The Gamergate community was trying to help me.
They were saying, don't trust.
And they were listing, you know, Guardian.
Guardian had contacted me.
Don't trust the Washington Post.
Don't trust, you know. And I'm now going, okay, I got to record this.
So I recorded our conversation.
And she does the same thing, but she was like nasty and aggressive and she kept trying to get from me to understand who was funding us.
She wanted information in terms of, you know, her job was clearly to cut off the funding of social autopsy because we had investors that were interested.
And she was, you know, very smart and sort of nasty.
And then one of the people that we had dealt with that was in the anti-bullying space, Gave me a heads up and called me and said, he was yelling at me at first.
He thought that I had told Keelan Dooley something that I had never told her.
So he called to yell at me and say, why are you saying that we're funding you?
And I said, I never said that. I have the full recorded conversation.
And then he said to me, my suggestion to you is that you lawyer up because they are coming for you.
And because he tips me off, I was able to contact the Washington Post and threaten to sue them with the audio of the fact that she had lied with the emails.
And I caught them and they pulled the article.
So they never ran it. But they were going to paint me out to be a liar.
And just imagine if you're trying to fund something and someone does a Google search and they see all of these things that say, you know, she lied, she's helping pedophiles.
That is what they were trying to do to cut off the funding of social autopsy so I could never create the product which was going to harm them.
And it's because they thought that I was going to be able to unmask anonymity and they had a lot to lose.
I will guarantee you During Hillary Clinton's election, just imagine how many of those accounts are fake, how many followers are fake, how many people that are on the internet saying nigger, nigger, nigger die that work for the Washington Post or Twitter.
That was the threat that I unintentionally stumbled upon.
Well, it's funny, you know, it can take you a decade and a half to become a good surgeon, but you can get a PhD in media relations in one hysterical day, right?
Especially if you've got people around you who've seen that route before and who have some, you know, bodies and scars to show where it leads and so on.
So at least you had that kind of backup.
But that's fascinating.
So if you had been able to unmask some of the trolls and if some of the trolls had been, you know, and I hate to use these overused words on the internet, shill disinfo agent or double agent, so to speak, or people who are out there creating a narrative that helps them sell papers at the expense of say, basic gender and race relations, then that might or people who are out there creating a narrative that helps And of course, if some of it was tied into the Hillary campaign, that would have been quite a story.
Oh, it's all time to do it.
And of course, I'm sorry to interrupt, but the mainstream media would never have run that But because there's the alternative media, now they have to be much more proactive.
They could just bury stuff in the past and nobody would ever know about it.
You know, some guy with a smudged photocopy Mel Gibson style would be ranting on the corner with a full beard down to his Gandalf belt.
But you would never hear about it.
But now, of course, there is this alternative way of getting information out.
So they can't just be as passive as burying stories.
Now they actually have to go and hunt them down sometimes.
For me, the first name that came to my mind as I was falling down the rabbit hole was Jeff Bezos.
I had Twitter contacting me.
He's one of the first investors in Twitter.
He's running Twitter.
I had the Washington Post contacting me.
He's running the Washington Post and he did run it as an anti-Trump, you know, everything to protect Hillary.
That is why he purchased the Washington Post.
And he also runs Amazon, which now I no longer trust those product reviews.
I'm like, oh, this is what anonymity affords you.
He's figured out how to tap into...
He's running a massive anti-marketing project where he can build people up or he can take them down.
And anonymous trolling allows him to be able to do that.
It was the first thing that came to my mind, and I tweeted a little bit about that, that this all adds up, and it all stank really, really bad.
And the reason why they came for me so swiftly is this was in April, right before the election.
And just imagine if this had blown out of proportion, and I had actually created technology, and I said, hey, those 10 accounts that have been inspiring black people to do this and that, those are actually being run by white girls at Twitter that are saying the N-word behind closed doors.
And yeah, it was vicious, and it was disgusting, and it was a terrifying thing to go through, to have your name dragged through the mud and...
I didn't have the money.
I couldn't save myself.
I'm not like Milo was able to bounce back from this because he's got a little bit of money.
He had the followers. There was nothing I could do.
They took out a private citizen.
Well, and I can't help but think that if you weren't Black, if you weren't female, that it may have gone a bit of a different route because, again, there is this unique threat from blacks or others who aren't on the left.
Right. Because there is this sort of groupthink that goes on that, you know, if you're a minority or whatever, and I even hate to use that term because we're all a majority of one within our own skin.
But, you know, let's just sort of use the convenient terms.
But if you are a minority, of course, the cliche is that you're victimized by horrible whites, usually males.
And therefore, you need the Democrats to stand up for you and save you from this terrible racism and sexism.
And I tell you, I mean, I've seen a lot of viciousness in my life, particularly as a public figure.
But the people I see the most viciousness is black conservatives, people who aren't on the left who traditionally should be because they're kind of breaking a narrative and people who have particularly achieved great success and I would like to hear a little bit more about your background for people who aren't aware.
I mean, you're supposed to detractive and so on and then people don't know where you came from.
If you've managed to break through a particular kind of ceiling, that's blazing a trail that other people could follow which goes against the massive white snowbank of privilege you can't ever burrow through.
So that I think, you know, your race and your gender in particular, I think, gave you a lot of lasers on your forehead that otherwise may not have been.
If you'd have been a white male, they could have just discounted you more easily.
Yeah, he's a white nationalist.
They had trouble. The press had trouble saying something that would get me dismissed that easily.
They couldn't say, you know, I'm a woman.
I'm at the top of the progressive stack.
So everything that they lie about is that everything the Washington Post writes about is because they're doing it for a woman.
Women are being harassed on the internet. Well, I'm a woman telling me that a woman harassed me on the internet.
So what are you going to do?
Oh, she got confused.
You're going to gaslight me.
She got sucked into a conspiracy theory.
No, I'm telling you, this girl picked up the phone and she called me and she threatened me.
And they were trying to bury that very quickly because at the end of the day, Zoe Quinn, she is a white girl.
I'm one step a tier above on the progressive stack.
And I'm telling you that this is what happened and it's factual.
And I had documentation to back it up that she called me from this crazy number and they wouldn't run the story as I was telling them.
They needed to stick to their lies.
They had already been telling for years, which I didn't know, which was the Gamergate lie, which propelled all of these women who did not get harassed on the internet to fame.
And they are being funded.
They're at UN... Asking for absurd things like, I don't know, people were telling me that they were both able to speak at the UN, her and Anita Sarkisian.
And I'm here to say, and I will always say it, these girls were never harassed on the internet by men.
They harassed themselves.
That's astounding. So let's talk a little bit about where...
I was really quite moved in hearing about some of the struggles within your family members, particularly the men when you were growing up.
So what was the kind of image that you had of your potential or your neighborhood potential when you were growing up?
Yeah, I mean, so I love to talk about this because people assume that I come from like some wealthy Republican black family.
Me too. Not the black thing so much.
But no, honestly, people are. They think I was born with the silvers.
I come from a welfare household.
I mean, I grew up in sort of the white project, so to speak.
So yeah, I mean, it is one of these, oh, you're accomplished.
Well, you must have come from money.
Which is sad. Yeah, it's sad.
No, I just, again, my mother was very crazy about me reading from the time I was a very little girl.
Four years old. I just remember we'd go to the library, we'd pick up books, and I would just want to read a bigger book, a bigger book, and a bigger book.
And I thank God that that was one thing that she really placed on me.
But we grew up in the hood. Me and my sisters, the three of us, shared a world.
And she wasn't particularly educated, if I remember right?
No. My mom didn't even graduate high school.
Right. She's one of nine.
She was in and out of group homes growing up.
All of her brothers and sisters have been to prison.
I visited my uncle in prison growing up.
I've got a lot of addiction in my family.
I have uncles that live on the street.
I have uncles that don't know they're my uncles because they have mental disorders and they're in homes now.
This was just sort of my childhood growing up, especially on my mom's side of the family.
Yeah.
cropping farm and he instilled very southern values like you know no elbows on the table uh very respectful big southern breakfasts when i turned eight my grandfather took us out of the hood and moved us into his middle class house today i got to live um you know in a better neighborhood than i had initially come up in for about five years before we moved back into the hood But yeah, I have a typical black story.
There's nothing special about me other than the fact that I've always wanted more.
I've never seen myself getting involved in that.
I was fortunate in that because I read so much, I placed very high on my test scores and I was put into higher classes.
And because of that, I had all white classmates, sadly.
But that earned me the whole, you're acting white, which is, don't even get me started on that.
You know, the whole, well, you got to be one of us.
If you hang out with white people, then you're not one of us.
And I was bullied by black girls, pushed into lockers, because I didn't speak like them, because I wasn't into e-bons, I wasn't into hip-hop.
I genuinely, like, would race home to read Harry Potter.
You know, me and my mom would have... Well, and it's kind of weird, because there's this thing where if you aim high from a relatively low-rent background, if you aim higher...
There's this weird curse that echoes around, like this endless game of Pong.
And the curse or the question, it's sort of a weird voodoo.
It's something like, oh, you think you're better than us?
And it's like, if you have to ask that question, I'm afraid I do have an answer for you, which is, I hate to say it, kind of yes.
And that is a weird thing.
You want to take away your black card.
Well, if you're doing better than black people, you're no longer allowed to be black and they haven't realized how awful...
See, if you're in this band of intelligence, you can't be black anymore.
I can't imagine a more racist statement foundationally to say that about all blacks or any group for that matter.
Yep, and black people are so racist towards black people that want to achieve a little bit higher.
Fortunately, after middle school, a lot of those, because I just didn't have them in my classes, because I test out of those classes in middle school, but when I got into high school, I was really bad at math.
So I got into, I was in like a more normal math class, and I had a few of those girls were in my math class, and they were like, oh, like, you know, You're really cool.
I'm like, yeah, no, I really just speak like this.
I genuinely just speak good English.
I'm not trying to act white.
And then, you know, it sort of changed and they all kind of became my friends.
And so it was nice to see that happen over time.
But it was after like so much bullying, you know, through middle school just for being a little more intelligent.
But yeah, so that's something in the black community that it's really sad.
It's honestly why I named my blog series Smith of the Coon.
Well, and it's funny too, because I mean, growing up, I went to this, I guess there were a couple of minorities, but it was mostly whiteboarding school when I was very young.
And my abilities were recognized fairly early.
And one of the things like I deeply sympathize with is I was allowed to be smart without betraying anyone or anything.
You know, there was an undertow in general, which was more class than race, which is, you know, you come from like the single mom manners, the matriarchal manners, and there is this undertow that kind of aims to pull you back down.
Like if you make it out, then maybe I could have made it out, and then I'm going to feel really bad.
And so I have to pretend that no one can make it out.
So it's the crap thing, you know, they pull each other out, down out of the bucket.
So if I see someone getting out of this situation, by God, I've got to stop them.
Now, you can say, well, I don't want you to bump up against that privilege or, you know, you're going to smash yourself up.
But deep down, it's just because they don't want to think that they ever had the chance.
And they have to pull down people who do.
So, one of the ways in which I was allowed to be skilled and smart and, you know, linguistically exploratory and so on was because I wasn't betraying anyone or anything fundamentally.
But of course, for other ethnicities and genders and so on, there is this sense of, and what a terrible thing.
You're acting white if you speak English in sort of the regular way.
You're acting white if you study.
You're acting white if you love books.
You're acting white if you love classical music.
And it's like, how are all of these things just white things?
It's sad. Honestly, looking back on it retrospectively, now that I'm able to sort of assess the implications of that, it's very sad because black people have grown to accept The fact that they can't be more, that they can't be smart, that they can't be better in so much that they've sort of woven it into our culture.
This is now a sign of true blackness.
You're either with us or you're against us.
They have this thing called the swap where they'll say, well, we'll take Eminem and you take Condoleezza Rice.
I'm like, you know, I'm sorry, what?
Can I get Condoleezza Rice back?
People now actively, friends that I grew up in high school, now that I'm getting a little bigger, there's a little more people are starting to talk and They'll say these things like, okay, Omarosa.
Is that supposed to be an insult?
She's an accomplished black woman.
Okay, Condoleezza.
Is that supposed to be an insult? She's an accomplished...
Okay, you must be Ben Carson's daughter.
Are these insults?
I don't understand. It's like you're at karaoke and people are like, okay, Freddie Mercury.
It's like, actually, that's good.
Yeah, I'm like, okay, yeah.
And that's sort of...
Yeah, it's very, very interesting to see that that is considered an insult.
These remarkably well-achieved African Americans are considered to be an insult.
So... And it is really tragic.
Because to me, there definitely are barriers out there which people have to break through.
And I think that they exist across all races, genders, and classes.
You know, there's the barrier of being a rich person, which is everyone thinks you're a douche kind of automatically, right?
And, you know, that you never earned anything.
You never worked for everything or anything like that.
And very physically attractive people get the same.
You never have any problems.
You never... Right, yeah. And I think also...
For me, at least, when I was sort of breaking out of the sort of welfare home background, carving my way up, like I remember when I got into the business world, I ended up at a country club.
You know, boy, talk about the nexus.
And you've talked about this a little bit too.
Talk about the nexus of douchebaggery, the black hole of douchebaggery that's supposed to exist in the universe.
And, you know, it's a formal meal.
There's way too many... Utensils.
And I don't know what to do with the finger bowl with lemon in it.
Is that tea? Do I drink it?
I have no idea. Do I wash in it?
Do I? I don't know. And not knowing what to do gives you this kind of deer in the headlights thing, which does kind of mark you as not of the world.
And finding a way to transition to that, like being born in one tribe and trying to get to another tribe, so to speak.
It's tough. And all of these ceilings exist, but they exist out there.
And I'm willing to take those on.
But the first thing you have to dismantle, at least it was for me, is I had to dismantle the internal.
Caps on what I thought I was able to do, the internal possibilities.
If I'm able to expand my possibilities, then I'll run into real bigotries or prejudices out there in the world.
But you have to first break through your own.
My concern is that in black communities, other communities, that internal ceiling or cap is so strong that it's really limiting a huge amount of potential.
Yep, that is exactly right.
It is the biggest barrier facing the African American community is the internal conflict of what it means to be black and this false sense of betrayal.
Right. Now, you had a story too, and I hope I'm not, after saying people digging in old wounds, I hope I'm not digging in old wounds, but the story that you had about your uncle and how when he was nine, he was left by the side of the road with his five-year-old sister.
Do you have any... Idea of the circumstances that led to that terrible day.
And of course, you can talk a little bit about some of the effects that had on him.
Yeah. And listen, I wasn't there.
So these are the stories.
These are my mom's stories. Growing up with nine brothers and sisters all kind of dispersed throughout the East Coast.
Some in group homes, some not.
But like I said, mental illness was something that they had to deal with growing up.
And yeah, so this is...
A part of, I think, the African-American story.
So, yeah, my mom grew up in and out of group homes and had a lot of child abuse growing up.
And, you know...
I hate to talk about somebody else's victim story, but these stories obviously shaped me a lot when I was growing up, and I always felt that I had more of an opportunity.
My opportunities weren't great, but compared to the way my parents came up and the parents before them, you can't complain.
You have to do what you can do and try to create a better future for your offspring.
I think that my parents did that, and it's my role to do that.
But yeah, so there's a lot of history and a lot of heartache in my family's background, but I do not think of that as an excuse.
I don't think that that makes me like, you know, this is, I think it's a very typical black narrative.
There's a lot of that coming out of, you know, the 60s and yeah.
And I, it's one of these things like, if you have a family history of heart disease, you can sort of get fatalistic and you can say, well...
I'm gonna die of a heart attack when I'm 40 so I might as well eat foie gras day and night and never exercise because I'm doomed anyway and guess what you know that becomes a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy or you can say I have a family history of heart disease, so I'm going to keep my weight down.
I'm going to exercise a lot.
I'm going to eat right. I'm going to, you know, and I think that seeing that kind of family history, the people who, and I don't mean to trivialize it or just turn it into an excuse.
It's a complex process.
But the people who do sort of say, well, this is my family.
I can never get out.
It really does become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
And I've just, I've always been amazed at if you keep lifting your sights You know, it seems hard to find a limit.
If you're willing to keep lifting your sights, it is hard to find a limit.
And I wish that there were more people out there who were just saying, to hell with history, to hell with the narrative, to hell with what everyone's telling me.
I'm going to accept no limits on what it is I'm capable of.
Right, and that's what I say. I preach. Like, if people say, you've lived through this, you've lived through that.
I'm not a victim. I hate the word victim.
I mean, it's just people, everybody goes through something.
Every single person goes through something.
Like you said, it could be the wealthiest person in the entire world.
You don't know somebody else's demons.
This is just, to me, the cards that I was handed.
Everybody gets handed cards for a reason.
Every single thing that happened to me that seemed so awful or so terrible, and that continues to happen to me.
It's not easy being an African-American voice and saying that I no longer subscribe to this.
Get out of my face with this. It causes...
Friction. It tests your relationships, and I'm fortunate that my family has been overwhelmingly supportive, but there are fan members that are not supportive with me putting out, you know, the things that we've seen, things that we grew up with.
That is just, like I said, if everybody could just get rid of this word, victim, because the idea of victimhood is that it straps you into this sort of stale existence of Who wants to be a victim?
You're miserable. There's no growth in being a victim.
There's growth in having a past.
There's growth in saying, I lived this and here's where I am today.
There's no growth in strapping yourself inside of this victim narrative and being complacent there and saying, well, my hands out because this happened to me when I was five.
Because I'm black and you're white and you don't know what it's like, you don't know what it was like growing up in civil rights and we have these things trickling down, I get this stuff for free.
I want to earn that. Yeah, sure.
We got the short end of the stick and there I do very much believe, of course, there's residual effects of that.
My grandfather didn't get to go to school.
He was on a sharecropping farm.
You know, that means, you know, what was my dad able to do?
What does that mean? What am I able to do?
Well, we're two generations away from that now, okay?
We have the resources. We have the books.
My mom, we had no money, but she took us to the library every single week to pick up a new book.
So we have things that are within our power to educate ourselves.
And we have to stop, you know, crying.
I'm so over the victim narrative.
It's exhausting. Well, and we're all here in North America.
We're all coexisting.
And if there's this fundamental argument that says, well, I can't understand you because I don't understand the black experience, how on earth are we supposed to have conversations?
How on earth are we supposed to connect?
How on earth are we supposed to live together in any kind of peace and harmony?
If everyone's speaking Klingon and these people are speaking Elvish and these people are whatever, I mean, we can't have a conversation if there's this automatic barrier of you'll never know what it's like to be me.
But that is the leftist storyline, right?
It's this race towards the bottom.
Like, I'm worse than you.
I'm worse than you. I'm worse than you. Well, guess what?
It doesn't matter, you know what I mean?
It doesn't matter who's had it worse, because at the end of the day, you're racing to the bottom, you know?
So while the rest of you guys, you know, argue about who deserves more, who had it worse, I'm going to be trying to get to the top.
I'm going to try to reach a pinnacle here.
And that's the only way there ever is going to be any progress.
Just think about it. Forget politics.
Who wants to talk about even, like, their ex-boyfriend?
Who How has it ever brought you, you know what I mean?
Like, you know, any success, you'd be like, well, I really want to dwell on this experience I had when I was 14 and this guy cheated on me for the rest of my life.
It doesn't work. That's not the way we're not as humans.
That's not how evolution works, you know?
So it's my hope that what we're seeing now is a sort of natural filtration and this theory of Darwinism where these people are just going to, it's not serving them anymore to constantly be a victim.
You have to survive things and you have to move on.
Well, there's this funny thing, and it comes out of the left a little bit.
I think certainly with Christians, there's much more free will and much more you have access to the soul and you have access to choices.
But there's this kind of thing in the left where history just...
You're like a water and you get poured into the container of history and that's your shape.
It's like branded, it's stamped, that's who you are.
But I mean, the science doesn't support it.
We're in a constant negotiation with our memories.
There's no such thing as memories that are fixed and everlasting and completely determine who we are.
Memories, even when they're recalled, they're somewhat recreated.
We are in a living relationship with our history and that gives us a lot more power to shape the future.
Because if we think we're just, you know, history, we're like boulders at the top of a mountain and history, lightning hit the boulders.
We're just bouncing down the mountain.
We can't really control them.
We're crashing into each other, crashing into cars, crashing into bears.
Where is the power in that?
Because, you know, the left is always about empowerment.
And you're a victim. Completely ruled by history.
Slavery. Prejudice.
Bigotry. Segregation.
Jim Crow. No chance to escape it.
It's like, I don't feel massively empowered at the moment.
I've got to be honest with you. Yeah, that's the great left paradox.
That they pretend that it's empowering to be a victim.
And people don't realize. All they're selling us every single day on the news.
Anything you watch is that you are a victim and you should be offended.
There is no power...
In being a victim, there is no power in this perpetual feeling of offense.
I don't subscribe to it.
I guess that's the most controversial thing I've ever done.
Of all of the crappy things I did when I was a teenager, the craziest thing, the most controversial thing I've ever done is that I don't subscribe to that narrative and I kind of like white people.
I think they're pretty cool. We've got white friends.
And it's like, oh, how could you possibly say that at a time when we have a white president?
How could you possibly like a white person?
How can you get along with white people?
It's like not allowed. That is really what is controversial about what I'm saying and doing is I like people.
I like gay people. I like lesbian people.
I don't have an issue with people.
I don't wake up every day and fear for my life.
And that is somehow creating an earthquake because it shatters the left narrative because they only accept me As an African-American woman, if I say that I'm a victim, then they will give me a platform, then they will hand me a megaphone, then George Searles will write me a check, okay? Okay?
And I'm just, I'm not bored.
I'm not built that way, so...
Well, it's funny because being a victim for money is really, of course, not being a victim.
It's just using people's sympathy for victims to manipulate them into giving you resources, which is kind of like a soft predation rather than an actual victim.
And it is very profitable.
It's perverted. Of course, yeah.
It's profitable. It's very profitable and this sort of follow the money stuff with victimhood is really important.
When you've got, you know, both public and private agencies transferring literally hundreds of billions of dollars from people who don't think they're victims to people who do think they're victims, well, you know, whatever you tax, you get less of and whatever you subsidize, you get more of.
So if you're going to tax success and you're going to subsidize victimhood, Guess you've just made a whole victimhood industry that is now going to tear down human potential.
I mean, look at that. They are one of the cash cows when it comes to victimhood.
Like I said, they show up.
If something happened to you, they'll show up.
They don't even care about you. They never called me.
They never wanted to have a follow-up call to say, hey, you know, by the way, how are you doing?
Or did they ever call the media and say, well, you know, this was not very well represented and we're angry with you or...
No, no, no. They call the media to get themselves in front of cameras to say that they care for black people.
They do not care for black people at all.
If they cared for black people, they wouldn't be only out there protesting, encouraging us.
What do protests do but get black people arrested?
What happens when a black person is arrested?
People understand that even if we get another black person, they're not going to automatic president.
They're not going to automatically expunge all of your records from that time you put on a mask and decided to To throw a bomb because Milo was speaking at Berkeley.
This is what they don't understand is that what you're literally doing is creating more years and more barriers for people because you cannot get a job when you have a record.
You have difficulty getting into school.
This is sort of the system.
This is the way that they built it.
So for you, for this fickle moment of caring about something that the media literally brainwashed you about because you didn't conduct your own research, because somebody has a different thought than you or a different belief than you, who cares?
It doesn't really matter.
And that is the message that's why it's so important to me.
I need to get in front of my people.
I need to get into these college campuses because that's really where the poison starts to happen is on these liberal campuses.
And I need to ask them, is this going to be worth it in 10 years?
OK, because do you even know what you're upset about?
Do you understand that you are being used?
Because the Democrats are using us quite literally.
And that's why I say it's a Democrat plantation of thoughts.
We are our mules that just carry them up into the election every four years.
And they tell us what we need to be upset about, what we need to be passionate about.
And then they do absolutely nothing for us.
The most powerful lies are ones that contain a little bit of truth, at least for the teller.
And so when this sort of paradox we talked about, like the left says, you're a victim and that's empowering.
Well, of course, the victimhood is empowering for the leftist politicians because it gets them votes.
And this is why they can use the word empowerment.
This is like the way they use diversity.
You know, we love every group that votes for the left.
Right. You know, so they can use diversity is our strength.
They can say that with emphasis, with conviction, and they can say that you're empowered by listening to our narrative because diversity is the strength of the leftist because it sets people at war against each other and then they get votes.
And this whole concept It bothers me as well.
Sorry, I had another short crash into that one, so I'll just take that train, or the train will take me, depending on how it goes.
But it also bothers me enormously that the left talks a lot about how rich people exploit poor people, the smart exploit the ignorant.
And you look at the people who fund these divisive groups, and this is not in black groups.
The people who fund these, like these rich guys, they don't go to jail.
Think of all of the tax lawyers they have and think of all of the accountants that they have to make sure they don't put one foot outside the tax code.
So they are very rich and they are not getting arrested and they fly all over the world and they cause trouble, but they don't get caught in the legal net.
But then they have these 18-year-old kids who, you know, don't know their ass from a hole in the ground fundamentally.
They've been propagandized their whole lives.
They're in an echo chamber.
And they're ginning these kids up to do something which they would never do, which is to break the law.
And then who pays the consequences?
These guys just jet off to the next conference and the kids end up with a mugshot.
And that is what bothers me the most about it, is that they are actively ruining African-American lives and African-American potential, the very thing that they claim to want to help.
And they know they're doing that, you know?
But these kids don't, like you said.
And I wouldn't have known when I was, like you said, you're in college, you have no responsibility, you don't have a mortgage.
This is just like, so you're like, what am I going to care about?
And these causes, caring about people, the LBGT community, they use the word diversity when really they mean separation, right?
This is not about diversity.
This is another way that we can subdivide you.
Because when people are divided and separated, you know, they can be controlled easier.
It's an easier way. It's a control mechanism.
So, yeah, it's sad and it's just growing more and more vicious as the day goes by.
As the days go by, they come up with a new group, a new, you know, now they're really tapping into the trans community right now.
It's not enough to just be black.
The new... I think the new sheep are gay people, which they just keep adding a new letter on.
It's like L, B, G, T, Q, R, S, T, R, 2, D, 2.
I'm like, whoa, I'm just a gay guy that wants to live with men.
Now all of a sudden I have to care about whether or not a trans person who has a mental and physical disconnect.
How does that even work? They just keep slapping letters because they're trying to establish this line of group things.
You know? So if you're gay, you just started here, you just, like, we're attracted to men.
Now, all of a sudden, you better be on the front lines right upon a mask and throw a bomb, you know, for, you know, trans people or now we're seeing people that are trans-abled.
I mean, it's getting actually out of control.
And, um... I personally think that they're losing, despite the fact that they have won the mainstream media war, you know, that's CNN and that's all you see on TV. The underground movement is growing and it's hardly underground anymore.
I mean, we're here and the more that we can diversify, actually diversify this group of people and you and I, you being white and me being black and have these conversations and we can reach more people, the quicker they die.
You had a statement that Give me goosebumps.
And I don't, I don't goosebump easily, Candice, but you had a statement that gave me goosebumps in one of your videos.
And you said, your education wasn't free.
You paid for it with your mind.
And you've talked about how government education, actually you mean government education, since that's what usually everyone means by education, how government education does tend to keep the black community down.
I wonder if you can help people to understand what it's like in the black community and black cultures in the hood, so to speak, what it is like going to school and what kind of environment it is and how it holds people back.
Absolutely. So, I mean, I guess what we're talking about, and I hate to call it education because it's just indoctrination.
I mean, even the way they phrase the questions, there's no critical thinking.
They are the answers. I'll never forget, I got a critical thinking question on my test, and it was, you know, why did the U.S. have to drop the bomb in Japan?
And I went to my teacher and I said...
The answer is implied here. You're telling me that they had to drop the bomb, you know, on Hiroshima.
You didn't ask me, you know, do I think the U.S. had to drop the bomb on Hiroshima?
You're telling me, essentially, with this, that we had to, and of course, the U.S. were the heroes, were the heroes, were the heroes.
We do nothing wrong. If you look at the beginning of the U.S. history, we've never done anything wrong.
We were always the heroes, and I'm sure that's the same across the board in all other countries.
That's how they established a sense of nationalism.
We are taught that we need to aspire to work for people, not to start our own businesses, not to invest in yourself.
My personal opinion is that the reason why education is free, the public school system is free from the time that you are five until you are 17 years old is because that is when your brain is forming.
That is when they can inject you six hours a day, they can just brainwash you all day with what you need to care about, what you shouldn't care about, what you believe in, what you think is history, and it just slowly strips down your self-esteem.
You look at a five-year-old.
Go find a five-year-old who hasn't been in school yet.
The amount of confidence they have.
I remember watching a Kanye interview where he's talking about a five-year-old doing a cartwheel.
It was the worst shit I've ever seen.
It's the ugliest thing.
They're like, yes, I did it.
It wasn't a great mom. You're like, that was terrible, actually.
They got this amazing sense of who they are.
Then go find an 11-year-old.
Find a kid that has been made to middle school and ask him to do anything and they're not sure of themselves anymore.
So to me, the public education is this very careful, it strips down your self-esteem and it tells you what you have to believe in.
If you don't go to college, you're not going to get a job.
It's this frantic worry about you must stay on this track and this wheel and that wheel will always end you up working for somebody, working for some company that the globalists own.
And it is the biggest threat to the African American community because, like I said, especially if you go into these more impoverished neighborhoods, the teaching is worse.
I was fortunate enough to work for some very wealthy families.
After I got out of college, I worked as an executive assistant and a personal assistant to some celebrities.
Things that those kids learn in school, in these private schools, that they learned $40,000 a year, you know, the difference in that education versus what I got when I was in school, it's night and day.
And those kids, you know what they're going to do?
They're going to grow up and they're going to run the world.
They're going to be part of the 1%.
Because that's what they are.
They've afforded that. You have enough money now and you're allowed to go to a private institution and you learn differently.
You learn how to use your brain. You learn how to think critically.
You learn how to run businesses.
Those kids will have businesses before they're 21 years old.
Unfortunately, we're kind of taught to always be, like I say, we're the mules of society.
That's why so many kids end up in the system.
They're getting arrested.
They're selling drugs.
It's because it's the way, from a self-esteem perspective, it's the only way they can see themselves ever getting out.
Well, and I've talked about this in the show before, and it happened to the black community, sort of the canary in the coal mine.
Now it's happening to Hispanics and it's happening to whites as well.
This idea that male quality is less important when women marry the state for resources.
And I think that's been a big issue.
This is one of the fears of the welfare state that was pretty openly discussed back in the 1960s, that if you turn women who need resources when they've got kids, kids are like voracious black holes of stuff that they need to get fed and clothed and medicines and so on.
No, my parents are not so together.
Oh, did they not? No, my parents divorced.
They were not in a good relationship.
They divorced after I was done with college, so I grew up in a two-parent home.
Sorry, okay, I didn't know that.
So you grew up in a two-parent home, which does give those resources and that kind of stability.
Right. The question though of where the black family has gone, where the white family is currently going, not even too far behind, to me is one of the most chilling things that is going on in society because the single mom stuff is so toxic for girls, which I think a lot of people understand, but even more so for boys.
I just signed on to do a charity for this, for father absence.
It's funny that you say this because you need to have two parents.
And this is kind of what Bill Clinton was brilliant at when he completely oppressed the entire black community by locking everybody up in prison with this crime bill, which black people don't know.
Black people say he's the only black president we ever had because he dapped black people up and seemed cool.
And what he did was he broke an entire generation of black people by sending them all to prison.
You don't know what that does when you don't have two parents.
When children grow up without a father, in particular, that role of a father, I think, is so important.
And feminists are shrieking somewhere, no, woman, we can do it alone.
No, we can't. We've got to stop this lie.
Woman, we cannot do it alone.
You marry and you establish a family for a reason.
You see this happening, not just in humanity, but look at the animal level, okay?
You need to look to see how things are happening in the animal community.
This whole idea of, like, we're going to do it by ourselves, and like you said, relying on the system, which is, don't even get me started on welfare and Section 8, and how People are married to it, and they think it's their right, and they don't realize it's the very thing that's oppressing them, and that will keep us constantly on this wheel.
I remember there was a Greek mythology story of King Tantalus, and he gets sentenced to Haiti, and they have an apple above his head, and he's submerged in water, and that's where the word tantalize comes from.
And every time he goes to bite the apple, the water comes up.
That's literally what these systems are.
That the Democrats have built for black people, right?
So, you know, like a second you get a little bit of, you know, you go to bite the apple, you're going to drown yourself.
And that's what Section 8, that's what welfare is.
And yet, they will tell you that if someone tries to take that away from you, that that's what you need to be boycotting.
You just scream out like an absolute crazy person and get yourself arrested because we're giving you free money.
That money is not free. Education is not free.
There is no such thing as free.
There is always a trade-off.
And people that are bigger than you and smarter than you and richer than you have already thought of that.
You know, like don't overestimate yourself and think that you don't think that this was not the most brilliant marketing plan since the beginning of time when they say, hey, we're going to give you free money.
Somebody who is a lot smarter than you and paid a lot more than you thought about that.
You don't take anything free.
And that's how my grandpa raised me, you know, so you're getting free money to think very critically about why people are giving you that money.
Well, of course, and you just have to follow the story of people who win the lottery to see how well that works out for some people.
I mean, it's a disaster for people.
And, you know, as we know, there is this welfare cliff, right?
Where to get out of welfare, it's like this roach motel.
To get out of welfare, you have to earn if you've got a couple of kids and no husband.
And, of course, you're paid to have no husband.
I mean, this is one of the – the state is actually paying husbands to not marry, fathers to not marry.
Mm-hmm. Right, and it's also how they encourage you to have children.
So you always notice that these people that are on Section 8 have 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 children because they get more money when they have children.
And when their children are in their house and underage, they are able to then apply for Section 8.
So then you're actually creating an entire ecosystem of welfare because then your daughter turns 17.
She has a child. Well, now you have how many people living here that have children and have dependents in here?
It's more free money.
But they don't know that they haven't comprehended because you have to understand, and I don't criticize it in this regard, when you think you're surviving, they're not thinking about politics.
All they're knowing is that they sign up in line and they get free checks from the government.
And that's the extent, that's where the thought process ends.
And then they look up for a second and they turn on the news and the news says, hey, that program that we're giving you, that free money, Trump's going to take that away.
Oh my god!
Now there are people that don't even care about politics.
They don't follow politics. They're not passionately against or for white people.
But then someone tells them they're taking it away because you're black and they hate you.
That's why. Because you're black and they hate you.
And now they're up in arms about it and they're screaming and they're buying this narrative that things are happening because they're black and they're not ever questioning why people want to take it away in the first place.
And that is why, to me, The number one thing that is going to get African Americans over the hump is education, is these sorts of conversations, the stuff that they're never going to learn in school about what Section 8 really is.
You don't learn about welfare in Section 8 in school, you know?
Well, and it's to me one of the most heinous aspects is if your kid ends up so maltreated that he's traumatized and acting out, why then you can put him on psychotropic drugs, get him classified as disabled, and you can actually be paid for traumatizing your child to the point where he's got mental health issues.
Right. There's so much nastiness and disgustingness on the left that it's It's hard to talk about.
I just feel like they've gotten away with murder.
Maybe because I woke up so late.
This just happened to me. I was force-fed the red pill.
You're in your 20s! Woke up so late.
It feels so late to me.
I'm just like, oh my god, how did I not know this?
I haven't done enough. I can't do enough now to wake up black people.
I'm happy to die in the store a thousand times.
Call me a coon. Call me Auntie Tom.
Buy me a necklace that says it.
I'm not going to shut up because this stuff is It's devastating our community, and we are voting for the people that are enslaving us, actively enslaving us, and we're terrified of people that are suggesting, okay, we're merely suggesting that we might be smart enough to do it on our own, that we might be able, you know, to go to school based on our own merit without extra help, to not have to take handouts.
We're suggesting that we are offended.
It's unbelievable. Oh, yeah.
No, for me as a whole, I mean, putting out proposals that I absolutely know, without a shadow of a doubt, would enormously benefit the black community.
You get called terrible words, and I'm apparently a racist.
So, you know, this is just the way it goes.
No good deed goes unpunished in the world.
So let's end up, and I really, really appreciate this chat, but let's end up with some of the biggest red pills.
I've mentioned it on the show a couple of times before, but you've got a really, really great way of zeroing in on it, Candace.
One of the red pills is Republicans be racist, you know, and the Democrats are just, you know, wonderful and into egalitarianism and so on, and they're there to defend you From the Republicans who freed the slaves.
So, a couple of the things that, just one of the great phrases on the internet is Democrats haven't been this mad since the Republicans freed their slaves.
But what are some of the things that you'd like people to understand, not just for blacks, but all communities about some of the history of the relationships between the black community and the Democrats historically?
Right. So I definitely have touched upon this in a video, but just understanding that every time that black people have ever gotten a little further ahead legislatively, they should understand that Republicans are behind that.
And every time that, you know, people don't know the KKK, that's a Democrat thing.
And so it's so funny to hear them keep calling, you know, oh...
Trump supporters are the KKK. Republicans are the KKK. They don't know their own history.
That's a huge thing because we don't learn it.
We don't learn it that way in school.
You know, every time you learn a story about being black and being freed, we learn that the Democrats freed us.
That's kind of the way it's being presented to us.
Those are the answers that we're supposed to give.
So again, that's a part of the mass brainwashing.
I want them to know, I guess, primarily that it's all on the internet you need, but change the way that you're searching for things and search for What Democrats have done bad, you know, to black people and it pulls it all up.
It's written by black people.
Black people are spelling it out.
There are so many voices like mine that are on the internet, well-accomplished psychologists and professors and sort of these African heroes that have been trying to tell all of us what's been really going on and that we've been duped time and time again to believe that the Democrats are our saviors when in reality they are our oppressors.
And as I've said, and I want to make it very clear, because I get this question a lot, is why are you supporting Republicans?
I'm not supporting Republicans.
I'm actively attacking the Democratic Party because they're the ones that have our minds enslaved right now, okay?
They have bought it and we've been buying their lives for so long that They're my enemy right now because I understand what they are doing.
I understand what their plan is and how they are trying to manipulate the masses.
And in that sense, I've joined up forces with, I think, Republicans and white people that are tired of bearing the brunt of a lie, are tired of being called the racist when the back of Democrats are the racist.
And so it's sort of this sort of the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
But I encourage independent thinking.
I don't want anyone to be left or right.
I want them to be smart, and I want them to be well-equipped, and I want them to be educated so that when they do cast a ballot or they don't cast a ballot, it's not because of a narrative that was created by the media, which is owned by globalists.
Well, and slavery was a government program.
And segregation was a government program.
And Civil War wasn't about freeing the slaves.
It's another thing. We're taught that in school.
Civil War was not about freeing the slaves.
It was a stupid byproduct of like, we want to control the nation, similar to now, and how are we going to do it?
Well, let's get these slaves to raise up against their owners.
People, they need to understand this, that the way we learned our history is a massive lie.
Well, I mean, America was the only country that had to kill over 600,000 people to free their slaves.
I mean, every other country was able to do it without a civil war.
What's the difference? Well, federal government wanted power and there was a tyrant in the White House with a cool beard.
So, yeah, I really want, just as a whole, people to understand that if you look at the dysfunctions of history, I mean, the first place you want to look at is government power.
The first place you want to look at is government programs.
Once you understand that most of the horrible iniquities in history are the result of an overreach of government power, Right.
that's driving down wages for black families.
This is a government program.
It's not open borders.
It's well-funded immigration.
I mean, it's well-funded border relaxation of controls for cheap labor and leftist votes.
And so once you get that all of these horrible things in history of government programs, you might just not be quite as tempted the next time someone comes along and says, I know how to make your life better, a government program.
I've seen that. I've seen how that movie ends.
Thank you very much. Exactly. Exactly.
Again, it starts with education.
So I'm hoping that I can do a lot of it leading up to 2020 for the African American media.
I think it's time for us to stop being government slaves.
Well, I appreciate that very powerful ending.
Candace Owens, C-A-N-D-A-C-E, Owens.
And you can, of course, search for redpillblack, twitter.com forward slash redpillblack, facebook.com slash redpillblack, and the same on Instagram.
Candace, a great pleasure to chat with you today.
All the very best with your upcoming speeches, and I hope we get to talk again.
Thank you so much, Stefan.
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