3777 Let Western Civilization Fall? - Call In Show - August 2nd, 2017
Question 1: [2:00] – “How do you convince a small town that is coming on hard times to refuse government assistance? More directly, how do you convince a laid off coal miner trying to make ends meet for his children to use free enterprise to better his lot when there's a politician ready to say, ‘Give me power, and I'll take money from the city and give it to you,’ especially if the future looks bleak to him? This comes from my anecdotal observation that leftists hate guns until an armed right winger saves their life from a mugger, and right wingers hate government until a left winger gives them government drip to tide them and their family over in a crisis.”Question 2: [37:46] – “You have compared God to a mythical unicorn, in that the inability to empirically prove either's existence is a sign of nonexistence. The difference however is that God has a perceivable effect on the world and a unicorn does not. Love, courage and beauty are the chief examples that go beyond our biological queues and speak to something greater than nature. In the case of UPB, for behavior to be preferable that means there is behavior that is not preferable. But in nature there is no such thing as preferable or not preferable, just whether or not urges are satisfied and reproduction takes place. Doesn't our ability to discern between what is moral and immoral in a society and in ourselves speak to the effect God has on our world vs. the nonexistence of a unicorn?”Question 3: [54:39] – “Though I'm fairly self-aware, in my relationship there are issues that are rooted in my own insecurities, the biggest issue being jealousy. I feel so jealous all the time because I feel inferior to other women (mostly physically), and this stresses me out in every way it possibly could. Not only do I already feel bad about myself because of how I am, but I also feel bad about the way that I treat my partner, because I never want him to stress about anything. I've gone so far as to avoid going out and participating in certain activities with him because I don't want to risk him being around a woman that would be more attractive than myself. Although I've listened in and gotten a few ideas as to why my mind functions this way, I can't feel confident enough in my reasoning to move forward and properly handle the issue. So, for the sake of my partnership, what is causing these insecurities and how do I use this knowledge to prevent the downfall of my love life?”Question 4: [2:05:13] – “How do you feel about the general viewpoint of the west being the villain by trying to act as a cop and constantly financing the rebelling, more often than not terrorist fractions in countries like Syria, Iraq, and of Yugoslavia? There's a good portion of people on the Balkans who feel as if their countries are being colonized, mainly by Germany and the US, what are your thoughts on this form of brutal capitalism?”Question 5: [2:20:15] – “The question I ask is not related only to Syrian refugees, but to all other less well-off people around the world in comparison to the western world: when is it acceptable to allow people to die in deplorable conditions?”Your support is essential to Freedomain Radio, which is 100% funded by viewers like you. Please support the show by making a one time donation or signing up for a monthly recurring donation at: http://www.freedomainradio.com/donate
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First caller. How do you convince a small town to refuse government assistance?
You know, town's getting on hard times, government's dangling money.
Can you talk them out of taking it?
It's a great question. We had a good jawbone about that.
Second caller. Accused me of comparing God to a mythical unicorn.
Can't prove... Either is existence, but he says that, look, God has perceivable effects on the world, but the unicorn does not.
What were those perceivable effects?
What was the argument? Stay tuned to find out.
I enjoyed it. I thought it was very interesting.
The third caller... Mmm.
You ever have a problem with jealousy?
Oh, just feeling like you're not enough and people are going to choose other people than you?
I mean, I've heard there are other podcasts out there.
I know you don't know anything about it, but hey, I've heard it.
So this woman is consumed by jealousy.
And we really, I think, got to some of the root causes of that in a very instructive and illustrative conversation.
The fourth caller wanted to know what I thought of the general viewpoint.
You know, the West is the villain.
We're a cop trying to finance the rebels, the moderate rebels, and, well, often turn out to be a pretty nasty group of individuals in places like Syria and Iraq, Yugoslavia, and so on.
It's a great question, and I had a good rant about that one.
And the fifth caller, this sounds like it's about the Syrian refugees, but it's really about a lot more than that.
To people who are a lot less well-off than people in the Western world, when is it acceptable to allow or permit or stand idly by as people die in deplorable conditions?
It's a great question and something we all wrestle with from time to time.
Well, me perhaps a little bit more than most.
So I hope you'll enjoy the show.
I really did. Thanks everyone for calling in.
Thanks everyone for supporting the show.
And here we go.
Alright, well up first today we have Matt.
Matt wrote in and said, How do you convince a small town that is coming on hard times to refuse government assistance, especially since Detroit is a possibility, not an inevitability?
More directly, how do you convince a laid-off coal miner trying to make ends meet for his children to use free enterprise to better his lot when there's a politician ready to say, Give me power and I'll take money from the city and give it to you.
Especially if the future looks bleak to said coal miner.
This comes from my anecdotal evidence that leftists hate guns until an armed right-winger saves their life from a mugger.
And right-wingers hate government until a left-winger gives them government drip, drip, drip to tide them and their family over in a crisis.
That's from Matt. Oh, hey, Matt.
How's it going tonight? I'm doing great.
I'm so excited to be here.
Well, can you give me a bit more information, you say, since Detroit is a possibility?
What do you mean? Well, so in the city where I live, we got a Democratic mayor after having a bunch of long-train Republicans for as far back as I can remember.
The Democrat mayor has been kind of, I think, in power for about four or six years, and I guess it takes a longer time than that, but Our city has just gotten higher quality of living.
It looks better. Property value is going up.
We have a lot of business coming in.
We actually have a bunch of people moving in from the capital to us.
We used to be like some podunk, so it's almost like California moving to Texas almost.
And it's kind of hard for me to say, no, no, no, this is going to be a very bad idea in the long run.
When everything just looks so much better than it did like 10 years ago under our Republican mayor.
And the coal miner thing, I was just thinking about the Rust Belt in Ohio and just all those people laid off of jobs under Obama and what do you say to them?
It's like, no, we're not going to put tariffs on stuff.
So what?
I mean, they're just going to vote in somebody who will put on tariffs so they can get something, so they can feed their family, don't have to work as hard.
I mean, I don't know. No, it's a tough call and it's a tough question, without a doubt.
There's no, obviously there's no easy answer otherwise, you know, hopefully nobody calls me in because, calls in here because they're easy answers.
But it's interesting because I'm half and half on this, genuinely ambivalent about this.
Should we try to make things better or should we try to make things worse?
Should we say to everyone, sure, go on all the legal, legitimate government welfare you can.
Enough of this paying, you know, enough of this working for a living, you know, like if you've got a sore back, go on to...
Do we want a crash and a reboot?
Do we think that it can be turned around?
I mean, I'll tell you, I'll be perfectly frank with you.
I'm ambivalent.
I can see down both tunnels, if that makes any sense.
Yeah. I don't know.
I'm running as a socialist.
The problem we have here is we don't have enough government spending.
Oh yeah, there you go.
You know, taxes are just like rain.
They'll just keep coming in.
And the way that I'm going to do it is I'm just going to find sad people who've made bad decisions and I'm just going to promote sad-eyed people with dark circles under their eyes, living in shacks until all the female voters have a collective socialist orgasm and just vote for them to be given money so that their eggs feel better.
Yeah. You know, like, I mean, let's just, you know, hit the gas.
Enough of this coasting, enough of this trying to turn it around.
Let's just hit the gas, because then when it all goes to crap in a handbasket, well, then we can reboot.
Right, something like that, because I was watching a A Stossel video just yesterday.
I mean, it's several months old, but this guy, this individual, saw the homeless people on the street in LA, and he said, I'm going to do something about it.
And so he crowdfunded a bunch of tiny homes that cost like $1,000 each and had a lot of amenities that would just help these poor people who were living on the street.
Some of them could only get in tents.
And he just helped them, and it provides so much hope.
And then the day, the morning that the city was meeting to discuss their $1 or $2 billion end homelessness plan, the city came in, confiscated all the homes that they could to have them be destroyed.
Oh, yeah, no question.
It's like, so if you try to encourage people to...
Take care of their city and open a business or do something.
The really unscrupulous people say, no, none of this, none of this.
You have to be helped from the government, not from individuals.
It's almost like a tar pit.
You just can't get out, no matter how hard you struggle.
Well, you know, here's an interesting little story.
People in Canada have probably heard this, but if you haven't Hang on to your gonads.
So, in a suburb of Toronto, there was a community park, and it had a very steep, I guess, slippery, grassy kind of way down, and people kept slipping and falling down.
So, you know, in the past, you know, Amish-style, people would have just said, okay, let's go build some stairs.
Yeah, okay. You know, I mean, that's what people would do if there was such a thing as community left after an endless wave of diversity have shattered everyone's capacity to step outside of their front doors without bulletproof vests.
Culturally, I mean. And so, but now what they do, they phone the city.
And the city says, well, we'll look into it, right?
The city comes back and says, okay, well, we've looked into it.
Of course, this takes forever. Another couple of people fall down the stairs, fall down the slope.
And the city comes back.
And say, okay, we have, we figured it out.
What you need here, what you need is a set of stairs.
They're like, ooh, no way we could have figured that out for ourselves.
Thank you, oh, wise city magistrates.
And they say, yeah, and you know what?
We can get this done, I don't know, at some point in the future.
And it's going to cost between...
$65,000 to maybe about $150,000 to build some stairs, right?
And this guy, I mean, is this a golden lame escalator that travels through time?
And what the fuck are you spending $65,000 to $150,000 for a couple of stairs?
So one guy, he's retired.
He's a mechanic. Yeah.
And he's like, you know, I don't really want to wait.
That's a lot of tax money.
So forget it. He went out.
He hired a homeless guy. Some neighbors chipped in.
He built the set of stairs that was needed in an afternoon.
Do you know how much for? Probably about $2,000 just for materials, I'm guessing.
$550. Wow.
Okay. $550 and it was done.
Boom. And a homeless guy got a job for a while, right?
Yeah. And do you know what the city said?
You have to remove them and re-sod it.
You can't do that!
You must tear it down!
And like, oh man.
Fuck! I mean, just this world we're living in.
I need some stairs.
It's going to take forever and it's going to cost basically the price of...
I don't know. What is it that costs $150,000?
I have no idea. Like a condo?
Small home down here. Yeah.
Yeah. I just need some stairs so people don't stop doing that weebles wobble down the slippery slide.
I think, here we go.
Hired a homeless guy.
Did it for myself. $550,000.
No cost to the taxpayer.
Boom. Done. No.
You can't do that.
You must take it down.
Right? Mm-hmm.
These people are, like, the city people?
Psychos. Like, what kind of sick person do you...
Well, you've got to tear it down, and more people have got to fall down the stairs because, I don't know what, I promised my brother-in-law I'd pay him $100,000 to nail some planks together?
Yeah. Jesus.
You'd get people crucified for less.
Sorry? Yeah, I mean, if it's supposed to be public property, like, we all own it, and if it's a community project, then in theory...
If the public owns it, then the public, independent of the government, should be able to fix this problem.
But no, apparently not.
Mayor John Tory acknowledged that the city estimate sounds, quote, completely out of whack with reality.
However, he says, well, that still doesn't justify allowing private citizens to bypass city bylaws to build public structures themselves.
You can't make this stuff up.
It's just mad.
I mean, it's absolutely the same.
And what does this teach people about?
You know, hey, go hire a homeless guy, get some neighbors help you out, build this thing, have a couple of beers.
It's really nice. You get to know your neighbors.
You're solving things as a community.
No! Shut it down!
We never get out of junior high school.
We never get out of primary school.
No! You can't do it!
Did you hear there was some place, I think it was this little kid?
Little kid running a lemonade stand.
She's like five. Her parents got hit with, what, a $150 fine or something like that?
And she's like, I hate that that happened to that little girl.
But don't worry, when she grows up, she's going to be woke as fuck.
She's not going to be like, hey, you know where we should go if we've got a problem?
Let's go hit up the state for a nice solution.
Oh yeah, I remember my first encounter with the state was when I was trying to cool people's parched throats on my front lawn for a quarter a sip.
The city came, shut me down, and fined the living crap out of my parents.
Your child is experiencing anything to do with the free market.
Crush it! And the real sad thing is that was on their property, so technically they should have all right to do it, but no!
How much of these tentacles have they just got into us?
Oh, it doesn't matter. I mean, it doesn't matter.
This kind of power corrupts everyone.
This kind of power corrupts everyone.
And what does this mean about initiative?
What does this mean about, I'm going to go solve a problem myself?
It makes it just, you give up the initiative, you have to go to the government or do it by the proper bureaucratic channels.
Well, it's not going to get done.
It's going to be crap. And it's going to be ridiculously expensive.
And where's all? Like, it's 550 bucks to do it.
Yeah. And, I mean, that's materials.
I mean, I guess a retired guy didn't, but people are willing to do it for free, but you can't do it.
Why? Because you want to have all this money to spread around to your friends.
Right. $65,000 to build some stairs.
Boy, I sure wish you guys had been around to rebuild London after the great wood fire of 1666.
You'd still be working the foundations of the second fucking house.
Where were you when civilization needed building?
We were in the way.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry, sir.
You cannot leave this cave until you fill out all these forms in triplicate and give me 17 caribou heads by tomorrow.
Okay, I guess we'll stay in the fucking cave then.
Yeah. Maybe it's better in there.
You get to pretend the shadows are real.
So, I mean, as far as, like, refusing government assistance...
Yeah. Let me ask you this, because this is a question that's been rolling around in my head for a while.
Let me ask you this, Matt. Let's say that you and I are workers in a Soviet factory, like in 1952, and we're making ladders, like we're making the crap boxcars that they made.
Yeah. You had to have a remote starter because half the time it would just explode.
Let's test it from a distance.
And let's say that I'm...
Kind of economically responding to the incentives of it doesn't matter whether I work or not.
You know the old saying in Russia, they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.
So you're in this communist system.
Nobody wants to do any work.
Nobody cares. And how are you going to convince me to work harder, to stay late, to finish the job, to give it my all?
The market's going to do that easily.
You get to keep your job. You get a raise.
The market's going to do that no problem.
If you don't work and you're lazy, then you're going to get fired.
So the market takes care of that no problem.
But how are you going to convince me to work harder in a communist model?
Well, I've been thinking about that and my idea is So there are kind of these sort of meta-currencies.
One, you have like gold or fiat or bitcoin or whatever.
And then another one is, of course, violence, where the people who have bigger army diplomacy have their way.
And another one, which I guess is a bit more fluctuate, I call it goodwill.
And you can think of it as trust or whatever, but it's the thing that keeps families together.
I mean, why does a husband and a wife do anything as opposed to competing against each other or whatever?
One of them does one thing and kind of has an investment of goodwill or whatever, and the other one sees that the goodwill is valuable, so they do it that way.
I don't think it's a little conscious, but I think it's useful.
And that seems to work until you can't really keep track of how many people there are.
Like, there's more than 100 people.
I mean, what value is your goodwill or their goodwill?
They ain't going to return it. Okay, you are doing a very terrible job of explaining to me why I need to work harder in a Soviet factory.
Well, so the idea is in that specific way, if I'm trying to convince you, basically it comes down to buying your goodwill through favors or things that you can do.
Okay, tell me, like pretend that you're just trying to give me this talk at lunchtime.
Steph, I've noticed you've been slacking off.
What are you going to say to me? I mean, without invoking any free market principles on...
Well, we are in communism, so that's going to be a challenge, so what are you going to say?
Yes! We either do it together, or we're going to agree to go to a Blood Brothers death pact, or we're going to escape together...
What's this Blood Brothers death pact that you're talking about?
We either both do it or we're both going to kill each other.
Wait, are you saying just like, you'll kill me if I don't work harder?
I guess that's an incentive of a kind.
Or vice versa, something like that.
Or, well, if we don't do it, we'll both kill each other so that they don't pack us up and kill us at the Lubyanka basement in front of a wall, I guess.
All right, so given that making death threats, I'm sure, was still pretty illegal even in Soviet Russia, what would you say if you wanted me to work harder?
I suppose I would invoke some sort of familial bond or some sort of...
Well, what if we don't have a familial bond?
Well, like a national bond.
Like, we are brothers in this commune.
We have to work hard, and I'm not going to believe it, but that's the only thing I can really think of to say that would have some probability of working, I suppose.
Like, being successful...
Do you think it would work?
Probably not. But I mean, I can't really think of anything that...
I mean, because in some ways, there are some people who will volunteer to go and fight in the military across seas.
So it might work.
I mean, that one person could be Boxer from Animal Farm, and they're like, you know what?
He's right. I need to work harder.
And of course, the other...
Right. So you can't really think of a way to get me to work harder in a Soviet system.
Right. If it's still communist, right?
Right. There has to be some sort of micro type of, I don't know, communist.
Like, I secretly pay you under the table or something.
Right. Okay.
So you see the problem, right?
Right. You see the problem, right?
Yep. You can fix it.
Okay, so... So how did they end up having to fix...
Communism. It imploded.
And it just imploded sometime in the 80s, I guess.
I don't know if it fell when the wall fell, but it definitely just...
Yeah, it also fell apart, right?
Essentially the entire system nuked itself, and then you had to pick up the pieces and rebuild from scratch, I think.
They had to have a hard reset, right?
Yeah. Let's put it that way. That's a good way to put it, I suppose.
Right. I mean, you know, of course, Trump, the idea behind Trump, is to have a soft reset, right?
Right. Is to try and find some way that we can bring this thing down with the landing wheels down, right?
On something relatively soft, rather than into the side of the mountain, fireball of end times economic self-immolation, right?
Right, because the debt right now is enormous, but because our GDP is enormous, it's not It's imminent as like it's going to be next year or the year before, but it's still within our lifetime at this rate.
And that's just going to be awful. Yeah, and GDP just, what is it, top 19 trillion?
Yeah, it's...
Actually, I don't remember what the ratio is.
I think it just went... I mean, last time I checked it was 15 or whatever, but I think it just went to 19 trillion.
Again, GDP is one of these numbers, you know, people get sick, you're wealthier, you know, but, you know, it is not completely outside the bounds.
So with communism, there was no way to talk people into changing their responses to economic incentives.
And I don't know any way that you can do that.
I mean, listen, I've been trying for over 30 years.
Yeah. Right? And I've never successfully been able to talk someone out of, like, a government benefit.
And I don't mean it's impossible.
I think that there are some people you can...
Like, if they're...
Let me put it this way.
There are people who've been...
When I was younger, right? There were people who were like...
They were on unemployment insurance and I talked to them about, you know, this isn't a good idea.
And eventually they'd get off it, but that's because they were smart people who wanted to do more with their life, right?
Right. I mean, if you're talking about like an IQ 85 single mom with three kids by three different guys, all of whom are in prison, and you say, hey, those government programs are not good for the economic viability for kids in the long run, it's like, well, that's true.
But it's really not very high on the list of the hardships those kids are going through, right?
Correct. So, I don't know.
I mean... So, philosophically speaking, saying to someone, don't take this program, you can put this to the test, right?
Yeah. Do you have a convenience store nearby?
Yeah. Okay.
So, at that convenience store, they sell lottery tickets, right?
Right. Now, up to a certain amount, up to a certain dollar amount, those lottery tickets are processed right there at the convenience store, right?
Right. Uh, yes.
Like, you're a winner!
Gagnon! Right? I mean, and so what you can do is you can hang out at the grocery store pretending to shop, or shopping for real if you want, and then when you hear that ding ding ding, you're a winner, right?
You can go up to the person playing the lottery ticket and you can say, you know, if you cash in that lottery ticket, you're basically just guaranteeing yourself higher taxes and everyone else higher taxes, right?
So you should just tear up that lottery ticket and you should just throw it in the garbage because it's, you know, it's not really good for you in the long run, right?
And what do you think will happen?
They're probably just going to look at you funny because even if you kind of bring up the actual reality that, well, within a year or two, it's going to make you poor because...
You don't know how to manage your money.
They're going to be like, don't you tell me how to spend my money!
And then they're just going to go out and be miserable in a year or two.
Oh, yeah. I'd love to get divorced.
I'd love for all my friends to end up looking at me as a big giant ATM rather than a human being with feelings.
I'd love for every loser brother-in-law I ever had to come to me with some crazy cockeyed business idea about flying helmet heads and demand that I invest.
And I'd love everyone to say, well, if you really cared about me, you'd pay off my mortgage and using me as a giant livestock for the lower class.
Oh, beautiful. That would be excellent.
I'd love never knowing if anyone liked me again in the future for myself.
Excellent. I don't know.
Men in the lottery, women get artificial tits.
What can I tell you? We all want to up our value in ways that are really, really bad for us.
Yeah, and that's part of human nature because I actually kind of won the lottery in a video game, in a multiplayer video game, and the amount of money that I won was like, I don't know, about $350.
And just... Every single person in my clan and my guild were basically reacting as if I'd actually won the lottery.
And they were asking me for money.
Some of them were resentful.
Some of them were just kind of grumbling or whatever.
I think only one person was actually genuinely happy that I had essentially won the lottery.
And if that's what happens with such a small amount of money of $350 in a game, I can't imagine that kind of thing changing any significance just with anything bigger.
Yeah. I mean, I kind of had to update my photos because my promo photos are like 15 years and I don't want to be one of these like, you know, the real estate agents.
It's like, here's my picture when I was a cheerleader in high school on a park bench, you know, and then you actually meet them in the flesh.
It's like, whoa, when did Jabba the Hutt eat the cheerleader and assume her job?
And so I got...
And I was talking to the photographers and they...
We know a lot of people and they were saying, I won't give the names of the superstars, but they say they know photographers who work with these rock stars and so on.
They're all completely miserable people.
Miserable! Miserable people.
You can be a star!
And of course, you know, the public persona, you see them on stage, big powerful marching around, singing and playing guitar and all of that, but privately, their lives are just a complete mess.
And yeah, so we all, you know, everybody says they want that stuff.
And, you know, nothing brings out the mean in people like random good fortune striking someone they know.
Hey man, why wasn't that me?
Yeah, really. Now I feel bad because you're doing well.
Mm-hmm. You know, it's...
What's that old... I think it's Gore Vidal who said this.
It is not enough that we do well.
Our friends must also do badly.
Kind of nihilistic, but true in a lot of ways.
So, you can go to people and you can say...
What? You can say, well, you have the option of getting free money and staying in your home and your community and keeping your house and all of that.
Or... What you can do is you can say no to that free money.
You can leave house, leave town, leave your community, leave your friends, move your kids to another school somewhere far away, try and get jobs there.
Like, I know, I know, I know, and I talked about this on Alex Jones recently, and I'm cognizant of that.
I think that there is a case to be made, but the case is really hard to make when there's money dangling right in front of someone.
Yeah. You know what I mean?
Money is one of those things that's just ubiquitous.
Everybody wants it and no one can get enough of it.
Well, and asking people who have a job and pay taxes to say, you know, there was this old libertarian offer, the great libertarian offer from the late Harry Brown.
And he said, would you give up your favorite government program if it meant you never had to pay income tax again for the rest of your life?
Now, of course, if you are, in fact, paying income taxes, which is surprisingly not a large amount of Americans that are paying, if you are actually paying income taxes, that means something to you.
If you're one of the 20% of American households where 0% of the adults in the household are working, it still blows my mind, then, you know, well, you're never going to have to pay.
I don't pay income tax right now.
So I think that there is a case to be made.
I don't know that if you're going to make that case, and I think the case should be made.
If you're going to make that case, I wouldn't make it to a town...
Where the economy is bad and government money is dangling right in front of people and so on.
That's kind of tough. If you want your friend to quit cocaine, take him on a hike.
Take him someplace beautiful and natural.
And when you're at the top of the sparkling glacier, gazing out upon the powdery snow dust.
Actually, that probably is not the best environment for somebody who's hooked on cocaine.
Yeah. I think the entire mountain is covered with cocaine.
Take him to a jungle. Yes, that's it.
Take him to a jungle. There you go. Everything's starting to kill him in the jungle.
Yeah. Now, take him to the jungle where there are these cute frogs.
No, he'll probably try and lick the hallucinogenic frogs.
Hang on. Okay, wait, wait.
Take him spelunking.
Take him to a cave.
But then he'll eat all the glowing mushrooms.
No, no. Deeper. Past the mushrooms.
Pass the mushrooms. Pass the mushrooms.
Take him down deep into the caverns and light it up so he sees all of the gems.
Oh no, that's sparkly.
That's going to remind him. But take him someplace, right?
Take him someplace natural and beautiful.
A calm, clear lake in the mountains with evergreens around.
I think that's probably... And then you talk to him about cocaine addiction and you talk to him about how concerned you are and you talked about how things are going to go if he doesn't break his addiction and so on.
So that's one thing, you know.
When the guy's been waiting all week jonesing to suck up cocaine off a hooker's cleavage, you know, and then said hooker is right in front of him and her boobs are covered in cocaine and he's got the straw and he's ready to go down and saying, hey man, I think you should rethink your cocaine addiction.
I think a lot of it has to do with the timing.
A lot of it has to do with the environment.
So when people are desperately in need, saying, you know, I'll make a case for privatizing medicine, but not to someone who just got diagnosed with cancer or something.
You know what I mean? Because then it's just like, wait, what?
You know, I don't have the money.
So I think there is a case to be made, but I'm not sure you can make it to people desperately in need.
That's why I think making it on the internet and giving people the ammunition and so on.
But I, you know, I'm still, I'm ambivalent.
And I always want to be honest with you guys.
I'm ambivalent about whether, I don't know if we can genuinely talk people.
I don't know if there's an example, like in a communist country, of a factory that became really productive because some charismatic guy told everyone to shape up and get working.
I don't know. It's really, really tough to swim against the current of bad economic incentives.
Uh-huh. I mean, I guess you could just start, like, with a relatively prosperous city like mine and just Because here's an example.
There's a public walkway.
It's right next to the river.
It is gorgeous. There's a lot of art.
It's well-kept, relatively speaking.
And at one end, there's a Rock Creek place where you can rent all this equipment.
And one of the things in the city is a public biking.
So you have a bike rack, and they're owned by the city, and you swipe your credit card.
You can just bike down the place.
Well, that sounds good in theory, but the bikes look good and that's it.
They suck. They have poor maneuverability.
They're just really heavy.
They're really cumbersome. They're just stupid.
And guess what? Rock Creek rents bikes.
You can rent a bike from Rock Creek that's literally 10 yards away from the closest thing, and it's just wasting tax money there.
And you can point to that and say, yeah, that's a really bad idea.
And you can do that in a prosperous city, I suppose, like ours, and say, you know what, maybe we should stop doing this because this is just wasting money, and they suck anyway, so let's just go with Rock Creek.
Right. Yeah, no, it's...
It is a tough question.
I'm forever going to make the arguments because either you can change people's minds and I'll make the arguments as sort of passionately and positively as I can, Mattis.
I'm sure you will as well. So either you're going to be able to change people's minds or you won't.
Now, if you can change people's minds, fantastic.
We can turn this thing around. If we can't change people's minds, then you'll just have been proven right the whole way along and you'll gain credibility over From having been right and predicted it all.
I guess that is true. Either way, it's worth making the case, but I don't know whether I'm making the case to turn things around or whether I'm making the case because I just want to have the credibility of being tragically right about everything all along.
Yeah, Bill Whittle was making something about that.
The way he put it, I don't think it's a very good consolation prize to say, I was right all along while you're all eating spitted rats around a dumpster fire with a tire to keep it warm in the winter because civilizations collapsed or whatever.
I don't think... I mean, I could be wrong, but communications technology and the thirst of the ruling elites for more resources I think is...
At least in the West, we have, I think, a pretty good shot of, you know, it's not going to be like, you know, hunting squirrels in the sewers or anything like that, trying to catch a seagull with a rotted net or something.
I think that as the West, if we can't do anything to rein in the spending or reduce the unfunded liabilities, if people aren't willing to accept any suffering, if old people are just, you know, you say, listen, there's no money available, For your pensions, it's going to have to be reduced.
And if they're like, no! Damn it!
We're going to vote someone in who's going to get us all this money.
And you say, well...
Is it the fault of the 18-year-old who just graduated?
I mean, he wasn't even alive when he voted for all this stuff.
I mean, and they think, well, the government promised us.
It's like, yeah, but, you know, the government lies all the time.
The government promised us, you know, it's like, hey, man, that hooker told me, she totally told me she'd get the money back.
You know, she totally told her. I lent $1,000 to that hooker in the car, and she totally said she was going to get it back to me, so...
So that's an asset, right?
It's like, no, it's really not.
In fact, you now have more of a liability in that not only did you give the hooker the money, but also now you think it's coming back, which means you're not only broke, but you're dumb as well.
And so they say, well, it's not the fault of the kids.
Like, it's not the fault of the kids.
And... If old people say, or, you know, the military-industrial complex or corporations and lots of different, right?
If the old people or whoever it is and like, well, sorry, we're going to have to means test old-age pensions.
No! It's like, well, then, okay, if we can't convince them that they're that selfish and vampirical, well, or that irresponsible, that unwilling to take personal responsibility and accountability, then it's going to be like, okay, well, I guess...
If we can't find a peaceful solution, then instead of it being a managed collapse, it's going to be a sudden collapse, which means instead of getting some of the money, you'll end up with none of the money.
And people that selfish, I mean, I don't know.
Nature has a way of working with people like that, if that makes any sense.
So I think we just got to keep putting the arguments out.
Yeah. I was thinking about a way, I'm not sure how easy this would be to implement, but just kind of a full hard stop.
Anybody born after 2018, January 1st, they can't benefit from welfare.
There's a certain value in that for sure, but the problem is that creates a huge amount of problems for politicians in the moment.
But it's politicians like 20 years later who are going to start seeing the benefits.
So again, if you look at the economic incentives apply as much to politics as anything else.
So politicians will push that.
Maybe people will think about it, but they'll get a huge amount of backlash.
Well, wait a minute. Why would they get backlash?
Because you're not taking it away from anybody who's alive.
And the people who are really just clinging to it, like you said, were selfish.
So what do they care if some weird just baby or whatever is not going to have a pension, is going to have to work for a living in 15 years, 20 years, or whatever?
I mean, how is that going to be a backlash?
Well, because there are generations of people on welfare who have kids, not just for the benefits they get for those kids, but because those kids are going to grow up and also be unemployed and get welfare and they're going to contribute to the pot.
So there's that kind of incentive. Yeah, that's a good point.
And also, if you say collecting welfare is wrong and we need to change it, then there's a lot of defensive neuroses that come out from existing people on welfare.
Are you saying that they're...
And there's just this general principle.
The left will go nuts on you.
Because the left needs the people on welfare to vote for bigger government.
So, I mean, it's like trying to control immigration.
The left goes nuts because they need the third world immigrants to vote for the left and trying to control welfare is crazy because when you go from consuming the products of the tax system to being forced to contribute to it, you automatically become a conservative.
You automatically want lower taxes if you are in fact paying taxes.
And you can say to people, like, you can say, look, it doesn't make it.
This makes no sense. You tax people enormously, you tax corporations enormously, you tax everything they touch, to do what?
To move money to the poor.
But this makes no sense, because everything you tax, you increase the price of it.
Corporations in America paying like 40% tax, they have to raise the price of the goods they sell enormously.
Everybody who is being taxed a lot has to raise their salary demands because they're forced to live on what's left over after the tax.
Bandits finish up their job.
And so you're driving up the prices of everything, which makes things much harder for the poor to afford.
So you're taking all this money and giving it to the poor so they can afford the things which they could otherwise have afforded if you hadn't taken all this money to give to the poor.
Anyway, so, I mean, I think my final point is we have to keep making the case.
But... Whether we're making it to change people's minds or whether we're doing it to be right in the long run, not in a sort of, I was right, but just you get credibility if you predicted things.
You know, everyone thought Churchill was crazy in the 1930s, and then he became prime minister, right?
Because he had been right.
And Peter Schiff, you know, talked a lot about problems in the housing market and so on.
And to move on to the next caller, but I appreciate the conversation.
I hope this was somewhat helpful.
I wish I could give you a simple answer about it.
Yeah, well, thank you very much.
Thanks, man. Okay, up next we have Tennis.
Tennis wrote in and said, you've compared God to a mythical unicorn in that the inability to empirically prove either's existence is a sign of non-existence.
The difference, however, is that God has a perceivable effect on the world and a unicorn does not.
Love, courage, and beauty are chief examples that go beyond our biological cues and speak to something greater than nature.
In the case of UPB, for behavior to be preferable, that means that there is behavior that is not preferable.
But in nature, there's no such thing as preferable or not preferable.
Just whether or not urges are satisfied and reproduction takes place, doesn't our ability to discern between what is moral and immoral in the society and in ourselves speak to the effect that God has on our world versus the non-existence of a unicorn?
That's from Tennis. Oh, hey, Tennis.
How you doing? Good, Stefan.
How are you? I'm well, thank you.
You're going to have to boil something down to a question, because I could extract a bunch from what you said, but I want to make sure we're hitting your major issues.
Right. So I guess my main part of my question is that in nature, when kind of the main tenet of evolution is survival of the fittest, which is gaining resources and looking at how I can reproduce, and even if that's taking resources from somebody else, I guess they would be better off in my hands because that person that I took them from wasn't able to hold on to them.
When you have that as being kind of the first and foremost thing in nature, but then we have this moral code and UPB, and that seems to be kind of a contradiction against nature.
So my main question is, you know, I see that as kind of an effect of God.
Something that we can see versus a unicorn where that obviously doesn't exist and we have no proof of that in effect in our world.
Still not sure what the question is, though.
Right. I'm not trying to be difficult.
I'm not trying to be difficult.
I'll be as honest as I can be.
Of course. I guess just being able to see an effect that is outside of nature and Proclaiming that that effect is of God versus something like a unicorn, which has no effect.
I guess those things that are outside of nature that I see can't really be explained by just evolutionary practices versus something that really doesn't have any kind of effect in this world.
And what is the effect of nature that you see as coming from outside?
Oh, sorry. What is the effect that you see coming from outside nature?
Right. Well, I would say that a moral code.
I would say that our ability to use logic and reason, like you did with UPB, and create a moral code straight out of logic and reason, and to be able to have the faculties to enact that when those kind of moral decisions sometimes goes against nature and goes against our natural urges.
I don't see how the two can exist from the same source being just nature, being just evolution.
So, is your argument that my capacity to reason is proof of God?
Your capacity to reason a moral code and our ability to enact the moral code when it goes against our natural urges, yes.
And making that statement is not making an argument, right?
Like, saying that me reasoning out UPB is a sign of the existence of God is not the same as making an argument.
I think it's making an argument against, I guess it'd be a counter-argument against the argument that there is no God.
Okay, and so if you'd like to make that argument, I'd like to hear it.
Yeah, that's... That's my counter-argument to there is no God.
My argument is that we can see effects, such as the ability to reason and use logic to find a moral code and to enact that moral code using courage, using virtue, instead of falling prey to our baser instincts, our natural instincts that have evolved over a course of time.
Our ability to Choose a moral code and to choose morals and virtue.
So, sorry, do you mean that something like free will and a conscience is not something that arises out of nature, and therefore that's an argument for the existence of God?
I would say a conscience.
I would say free will would be something that could arise from nature, but I think a conscience to choose certain things over other things in regards to a moral code.
In regards to moral standards, I would say yes.
Do you think that human beings are the only animals in nature who have the capacity to act against their immediate desires?
I would say yes.
But you do know that there are lots of animal species wherein the parents will feed their offspring before themselves, right?
Yes, but that still fits into an evolutionary mindset of reproduction and making sure that the The offspring have a chance to survive.
That speaks to survival. No, no, I understand that.
I understand that. But they certainly are acting against their own immediate preferences, right?
Yes. Okay. Well, it depends what their immediate preference is.
If your immediate preference is to feed your offspring, then no.
But, you know, I guess for yourself, for your own self, then yes.
There are, of course, dogs who will save species outside their own.
There are birds who will raise...
Cuckoos that aren't laid in their own nest and so on.
But, you know, you could, of course, always say, well, whatever the animals do is part of their instincts and so on.
I would certainly grant to you that human beings are unique in the universe to our knowledge with the capacity to have, you know, as I talk about free will, the capacity to compare proposed actions to ideal standards.
We're the only species we know who can do that.
But I don't know how that's proof of a god.
I mean, so there are lots of...
I mean, there are animals that have unique characteristics throughout nature.
Not all of those unique characteristics are evidence for a deity, right?
And the fact that we have a unique characteristic called conceptual abilities and free will and so on doesn't, to me, necessarily mean that there's a god.
Right. Okay.
I would say that in regards to animals...
I know you make the comparison of consciousness.
That's just a product of our matter, of our brain matter.
And you make the comparison that a light source, in the presence of a light source, there's always light.
And in the presence of matter, there's always gravity.
Or mass, sorry. And there's always gravity.
But I would say that in the presence of brain matter, that's not always the case with consciousness as far as animals are concerned.
I would say we are obviously the very unique example of that.
Where consciousness is the product of brain matter versus the millions of examples that we have that is not the case.
I would say that uniqueness is something that I don't think can just be explained away with, well, we're just different.
We're just unique, but we're from the same source.
We evolved from the same source, as far as mammals are concerned.
I find that hard to just explain away.
So you say explained away. I mean, it's not an argument or a rebuttal.
But to tennis, how does...
How does God explain anything?
If you say, well, we get our conscience and our free will and our reasoning abilities and so on from God, can you explain to me how God does it or the nature of God?
When it comes to philosophy, when people say, well, evolution doesn't explain everything, therefore God, what does God explain?
Right, well, I think the argument is that if nature cannot explain this, If it can't explain consciousness in a way that is suitable, then you could say that there would be an outside source for that.
No, listen, come on.
I mean, you understand that you stand in opposition to the pattern of history, the progress of history.
There were times when people did not know what the tide was.
So they said the tide was a god moving in the ocean.
There were times when people said they had no idea why a volcano erupted.
Oh, there's a volcano god.
They had no idea why lightning streaked from the sky.
So they invented Thor with his hammer of lightning.
And they said this Thor is having a battle with the giants, right?
The history of human beings ascribing divine, quote, solutions to fairly mundane physical phenomena that are impressive but incomprehensible at the time, I mean, that is human history.
So the idea that there's something new saying, well, look, right here at the edge of what we understand, there's stuff beyond the edge of what we understand.
Therefore, God has been going on ever since human beings couldn't figure out the first thing.
Like, the moment we developed curiosity and we wanted to understand the world— We said, okay, well, the things we understand, we understand.
The things we don't understand yet, there were a lot of people saying, well, everything we don't understand is God.
This has been going on forever.
And what's interesting to me...
It's that they used to be moon gods.
The stars were considered to be gods.
What was on top of the mountains?
Wreathed in the clouds. You know, Olympus was supposed to be on a mountaintop, wreathed in the clouds.
Got up to the mountaintop, no Mount Olympus.
Figured out what the moon was, no gods.
Figured out what the star was, no gods, right?
So this idea that you're doing something unique or new by surfing the edge of human knowledge and saying, well, beyond the edge of human knowledge, that's where God is.
It's been going on since the beginning of human consciousness.
But God doesn't explain anything.
Some unknowable being, for some incomprehensible reasons, created X in some unfathomable manner.
God is just this big, you know, bookmark for we don't know.
And I think the more honest thing to say is, we don't know.
Like, I don't know how human consciousness operates.
And I'm willing to say, I don't know how human consciousness operates.
That's a wonderful thing. Because it means it's worth exploring.
I don't know, but I think we could know.
The guys in the past who said, we don't know why the volcano erupts, so we'll just call it a volcano god.
They prevented knowledge from advancing because they said, we have an answer.
It's a volcano god. So then why on earth would people study geology or magma or lava or pressure or any of these things, right?
Because they have an answer and the answer is called god.
And so people stop looking.
When you put this big thing called God on the edge of human knowledge, you're not creating knowledge.
You're destroying knowledge. You're destroying the capacity for knowledge because people stop looking.
They think I have an answer. I don't know how human consciousness operates.
You don't know how human consciousness operates.
I'm willing to say, I don't know, but it sure as hell is going to be fun to find out.
What you want to say is, I'm going to pretend I know by using this big blob called God.
And then if I can convince enough people of that, people are going to stop looking because they think they have an answer, but they don't.
Right. No, that's certainly a fair point.
I guess that where I come to this conclusion is that I don't feel like I'm trying to skirt the outside of understanding and say, well, that outside of understanding is God.
I'm trying to make the argument that since I... My argument is that nature...
I don't see how nature can allow the, again, the ability to use logic and reason to find a moral code.
Good, good. And I agree with you.
I don't know how nature allows for that.
I don't know how nature permits that.
I don't know the entire biological, psychological, physical, biochemical nature of free will.
I don't know. And you don't know.
And as far as I know, nobody knows.
Right. And that's cool.
I mean, don't you want to have unexplored countries to go visit?
Don't you want to have new knowledge that we can pursue?
Don't you want to have... I mean, this is...
Of course, the brain is going to be one of the last things to be understood, right?
I mean, we've got to understand dark matter and string bullshit non-theory.
We're going to be able to dance the jig with quantum mechanics bubbles before we're going to be...
Because, you know, we're trying to use the brain to figure out itself.
That's... Kind of a challenge, right?
I mean, that's literally trying to lift yourself up by your own bootstraps.
And so it is...
It is a great unknown, I would say mystery, because it is an unknown at the moment.
And it's very cool that there's an unknown.
God help us, so to speak, as a species, if we ever run out of unknowns.
Not only might we be gods, but we'll be bored as hell.
Because we are a questing species.
We are a curious species.
We are a gotta know species, or at least some parts of us.
And so I think if, you know, as far as God goes...
Here's my advice. And whether you want to take advice from me, of course or not, is up to you, but this is my advice.
What you want to do is you want to have faith.
That's what you want to do. If you want to have a God, you've got to have faith.
See, if you come to me and you say, Steph, I believe in God.
And I say, why? You say, because I have faith.
Do you know what I'm going to say? Not in the realm of philosophy anymore.
I may disagree with the position of having faith, but you're not trying to make an argument based on reason and evidence for the existence of God.
Now, as soon as you make an argument based on reason and evidence for the existence of God, you've stepped into the realm of philosophy, and reluctantly, I have to take you on.
Do you know what I mean? I'm like the security guard who's like, I gotta guard this building, kids.
Can you go and do your skateboarding somewhere else?
And now if they go and take their skateboarding to someone else, great, I don't have to call the cops.
Fantastic. Off you go, play somewhere else.
But if you keep playing, you're skateboarding in the parking lot of the building I'm supposed to guard, and you won't listen to me, you gotta take it elsewhere, sorry, I gotta call the cops on you.
Because my job is to guard this building, to guard this factory, that's my job.
Now if you want to have belief in a deity, and you say, there's no reason behind it, there's no evidence behind it, it's faith.
Well, I can disagree with the methodology of faith, but it's not a philosophical statement, so you're not playing on my property, if that makes sense.
But as soon as you start to make those arguments, reluctantly, like, I really like Christians these days, right?
But nonetheless, my whole gig is to guard the building called Reason and Evidence and Philosophy.
And if you start playing on my turf, then I'm going to have to Mix it up with you.
And if you want to stay on the turf of faith, then we don't run into each other, if that makes sense.
Yes. No, that does make sense.
That does make sense. And I'm certainly all for continuing searching for those answers that That you're talking about.
That is the exciting part.
Specifically in UPB, being able to do what you did is extremely fascinating and was a joy to get through.
That we do have the ability to use our faculties to find a functioning moral code.
It's exciting. It's exciting.
And that it does indeed exist here.
And we're not just subject to the whims and the conjecture of the supposed people or priests or gatekeepers of that information.
And the subjectivism is a fantastic achievement.
So that was... That was a pleasure to get through, and I hope we continue to move forward.
Well, thanks. And listen, I hope you understand, and this is not meant to be as any kind of dig, but I hope you understand that the reason I wrote UPB is because I didn't have the answer called God.
I said, where does ethics come from?
Well, ethics come from divine commandments.
Ethics come from God. I didn't have that answer, so UPB is my, I don't Have an answer I don't consider legitimate.
Or, sorry, I don't have an answer I consider legitimate, and therefore I write the book.
So that is my answer to that.
So thanks very much for your call. I appreciate that.
And I, again, want to reiterate how much I like Christians these days, so I just really wanted to point that out, and I appreciate the call.
Thank you so much, Heather. Thanks, Jeff.
Bye. Alright, up next we have Kayla.
Kayla wrote in and said, Though I'm fairly self-aware, in my relationship there are issues that are rooted in my own insecurities, the biggest issue being jealousy.
I feel so jealous all the time because I feel inferior to other women, mostly physically, and this stresses me out in every way that it possibly could.
Not only do I already feel bad about myself because of how I am, but I also feel bad about the way that I treat my partner because I never want to stress him out about anything.
I've gone so far as to avoid going out and participating in certain activities with him because I don't want to risk being around a woman that would be more attractive than myself.
Although I've listened in and gotten a few ideas as to why my mind functions this way, I can't feel confident enough in my reasoning to move forward and handle the issue.
So, for the sake of my partnership, what is causing these insecurities and how do I use this knowledge to prevent the downfall of my love life?
That's from Kayla. Hey, Kayla.
How are you doing? Hey, Stefan.
I'm well, thank you.
Good, good. No, no, that's fine.
Two songs pop into my head.
I'm not going to sing them, just get them out of my way.
Kayla rhymes with the famous song by Eric Clapton, where it sounds like he's shredding his vocal cords with a high-pitched cat.
And the other is, there's actually a wonderful song by Queen called Jealousy, which is beautifully sung and has a lovely guitar in it.
It's a very sort of calm and mellow song, but...
Anyway, so just get that musical mental bug out of my...
So what is it with women that you feel, like you say, compare your physicality, your body, your face, and so on?
What is it that... What are the sort of top three issues that you wish were different regarding yourself?
What do you mean? What do I wish I could change about myself?
Yeah, like you said, you feel inferior to other women, mostly physically.
And how or in what way do you feel inferior to women?
Well, everything about my appearance to me is just negative.
I don't really know why I feel this way about myself, and I've sort of tried to do some soul-searching, but nothing really seems to answer it for me.
If I could change stuff about myself, it'd be like, I have a few physical deformities, like my spine curves off to the side, so it causes an odd curve on one side, which is something that most people don't even notice until I point it out.
Other stuff like I'm flat chested or I don't have like crazy curves or anything like that.
But I feel as though I'm like surrounded.
Even whenever I look at a woman who I'm like in the back of my head, I'm thinking, you know, is that really someone I should be worried about?
But for some reason, there's like a voice in me that's just saying, Kayla, you should definitely, I don't know, lash out.
You should definitely be on your guard.
You should definitely feel inferior.
Be jealous. I don't know why I get this way.
So your negative judgment is not so much of yourself as it is of men?
Well, I thought that at some point, but it boils down to if he is looking at somebody else, it's not because he's a pig, it's because I can't offer anything to him.
See, here's the thing, right?
When you say, I can't offer anything to him...
Because, what? Look, some guys don't like boobs.
Yeah. No, seriously.
Some guys like flatter-chested women.
Some guys, I mean, look at the fashion model industry.
Do you think that fashion models have trouble getting dates?
Those guys are built like fishing wire.
Pfft. And so, you know, if you nail together a couple of emaciated planks of wood and drape a dress over it, it looks pretty much the same to me.
And if you look at, I mean, just to take silly examples, ballet dancers, right?
I mean, I knew a girl, a woman...
She wanted to become a ballet dancer, and then she sprouted like full-on Ariel Winter-style forward-deployment fun bags, and she couldn't be a ballet dancer because her boobs were too big.
But it's not like ballet dancers with small boobs or no boobs have big trouble getting dates.
So, you know, you can always find something about yourself, but what you're doing is you're saying, my personality, my character, my intellect, my sense of humor, my virtue, that's not enough.
To keep a man, I have to look a certain way or be perfect in a certain way anyway.
Exactly. So that's what I mean when I say you're not so much judging your own looks as you are judging men's shallowness.
And I'm not saying men aren't shallow, right?
There's definitely part of that, but that's not the whole deal, right?
Looks may get a man's attention, but looks will not keep a man's love.
Mm-hmm. Well, recently I rewatched your video about a man who called in and his girlfriend didn't like you because you talked about how women's sexual market value depreciates over time.
Well, it kind of hit me. I was like...
If I don't even really have that to offer right now, then, you know, down the road, the whole, you know, like, you were like, something that can hold on to them, something that can keep them in, one of the reasons why they're here for you is because, you know, you're eggs mostly, but your physical appearance doesn't hurt, you know what I mean?
So I feel as though if I'm barely, like, the way that I react to You know, my jealousy can get so out of hand, I feel as though if I don't even have something so simple as looks to keep someone around, that my psychotic, you know, outbursts...
Wait, wait, wait. Okay, okay.
I think I understand where you're coming from.
So, Kayla, I have a quick question for you, if you don't mind.
Are you trying to tell me that really, really gorgeous women Are the mentally healthy, secure, confident, non-crazy women?
Well, when you say it that way, it doesn't exactly...
Well, if I only looked better, I'd have more confidence.
Right, like all those really confident hot women.
Well, it seems as though, you know, with the...
And maybe this is just the issue with me and the type of people that I go after, but it seems like a lot of people around me, you know, men are very attracted to these women, attracted to these women, obviously, you know, who look attractive, but they're very confident in themselves and they seem very happy.
Wait, sorry, the women are? Yes, yes, yes.
Right. They seem very happy, they seem very confident, they seem very, you know, and the guys are like, they praise this, you know what I mean?
But I can't like, Fake it, really?
I can't, you know, force this confident front too much, but...
You know, the confidence thing...
The confidence thing that people have is often either circumstantial or a kind of con game.
Like, real confidence is a very hard-earned personal treasure.
You don't just...
You don't just get it, right? You don't get to be confident because people want to have sex with you.
You know, you can be confident that you're able to provoke sexual desire in men or in women if those want to have sex with you.
But that's not the same as being confident as a person, right?
False confidence is everywhere.
And it's sort of like when you walk down the street and you see all of these nice houses with manicured lawns and you can sort of glimpse into the houses and see these nice furnishings and drapes and so on and people moving about.
I mean, you don't know what the hell's going on in those houses.
You don't know what goes on in the basement.
You don't know what goes on in the attic.
You don't know what goes on behind closed doors.
You don't know. I mean, how many times have you seen a public figure who seems to be...
You know, have it all together and it's some giant fall from grace, something, whatever, right?
I mean, you can be a congressman, turns out you're a 60 underage girl, right?
Yeah. So confidence is, a lot of it, I think a lot of it is either circumstantial, like you're just young and happen to be hot as a woman or whatever, and so guys want you and you're, you know, you're buoyed up by, but that doesn't last.
I mean, you know that's not going to last.
And if you, you know, I mean, you know deep down, and everybody does, that if you place your value on your looks, well, what happens is, see, confidence grows over life.
You don't want the kind of confidence it steals from your future.
You know, because confidence in, like, youth and attractiveness is like a drug habit.
Sure, you feel good now, but it's going to cost you later.
And if, as a woman or a man, You say, I'm confident because I'm hot.
Well, the hotness is going to leave.
And you haven't built the necessary personality structure to support yourself in the absence of that hotness.
And so you go crazy.
See, well, this is the issue.
This is one of the things, you know, I agree with everything that you're saying.
This is what I've been trying to tell myself in order to get myself out of this mindset.
And I feel as though...
I have a fair amount to offer, you know, intelligence-wise.
I don't want to, like, brag, but I think that I'm a fairly intelligent person.
I think that I'm, you know, a pretty decent human.
But it seems as though a lot of these traits aren't glorified.
Maybe it's just the people that I'm throwing myself with.
Intelligence, a decent amount of What am I trying to say?
Humble, being humble, being selfless, I guess.
And I'm not saying that I am a high degree of all of these things, but just traits that you would want to be around, I guess.
Right. I mean, is that a picture?
I won't say anything, obviously, in detail, but is that your picture on your Skype?
It is, yes. You're very attractive.
Thank you. No, you are.
I mean, nice figure, great hair, I mean, even features, and slender and all that.
So, you know, this is sort of outside eye, and I have scanned the legions of female beauties over my life, and so I would say that your inner perception, your inner image, does not accord with...
Now, I know everyone puts a good picture, but you can't fake some of that stuff, right?
I would point that out, right?
So... So I would say that your inner vision of your attractiveness is not in line with what is seen from the outside, right?
At least for me. Yeah.
Now, that obviously won't help you that much, right?
I mean, it's nice to hear. Exactly, that's the thing.
You know, everybody says it, you know, whenever I talk to people about it, and they're like, but you're so pretty, you're so pretty.
And if it was so easy to just hear that and move on with it, you know what I mean?
But it means a lot, but...
I'm saying that to point out that you're wrong about looking like some mutant cave-dwelling troll, right?
I mean, I just want to point that out.
Uh-huh. Now...
I remember the times in my life when people told me how attractive I was.
I remember those very vividly.
I can remember, I was in a high school production of Our Town by Thornton Wilder, and there was a cast party afterwards, and I didn't really drink, but a few, this one woman, I guess girl back then, we were 18 or 17, 18, yeah, this is back when we went to grade 13, and I remember she got really drunk, and I was helping her home.
I sort of knocked the doorbell and handed her over to her parents or whatever.
And on the way home, she was so drunk, she said, Steph, two things about you.
One, you're gorgeous.
Two, you flirt with everybody.
Oh, my God. And I'm like, you know what?
I actually kind of disagree with either of those assessments.
Yeah. I was a big flirt when I was younger.
But anyway... So your inner perception of your attractiveness is not related to what's going on on the outside.
And, you know, we won't show the picture, but I guarantee if anyone would see the picture, it would be one of these, is she just fishing for compliments, right?
You know, like... Yeah, I get that a lot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, but I get it.
You genuinely feel that way, right?
It's super unhealthy.
Yeah. You know you filled out an Adverse Childhood Experience score with us, right?
Yes. ACE. And...
You don't have to talk about anything you don't want to talk about, of course, right?
I want to go through a couple and just ask you a couple of questions, whether they were related to physical attractiveness.
So verbal abuse and threats.
Again, I'm sorry you had an ACE score of seven.
And listen, this is a test worth taking for people.
It doesn't matter how good or bad your childhood was.
It's a test worth taking.
It's not perfect. And there's things that I don't agree about.
But it's not a bad place to start in terms of trying to get some handle on history.
So when you experience verbal abuse and threats, were they regarding attractiveness or was it regarding other things?
It was usually other things.
My appearance wasn't usually attacked by adults.
That was more so just like other family members or other people that I went to school with and stuff.
But family-wise, adults never did.
When I got a bit older, however, I've always been fairly small-framed.
I'm pretty tiny. But when I got older...
Certain household members would come up to me and if I was like sitting, you know, whenever you sit, you naturally might have like a roll or something on your stomach.
I would have people come up to me and like poke it and say, you know, wow, you're gaining weight and like make little jabs here and there at my appearance.
Which sounds so minuscule, you know, but when you're growing up, when you're like a little preteen who's so concerned with their looks, that kind of thing doesn't really set a very solid foundation.
Right. But no, appearance wise, that was not usually the big focus.
And as far as the physical abuse, I assume, was not related to looks.
And again, I'm sorry to hear about that.
The one that I would imagine is the most Causal in this kind of issue, Caleb, would be number three, molestation or sex or rape.
Again, if you can tell me a little bit about that, that may have something to do with...
Yes, actually, and I can give you a little bit of extra thought on that after I finish Cuscolania.
But when I was about ages three to four, I had a babysitter because single mom worked full time.
And I had a babysitter and every day I would come to his place after school.
And it was his wife who was supposed to be watching me, but she had a husband and he would take me away from all the other kids.
Multiple times a day into like a bedroom or a bathroom or something and molest me and It it was horrible.
I didn't know how to I didn't know what's happening I knew that I felt wrong but I didn't know how to explain it to anybody so one day I was in the car my mom was like you know Kayla if So if he would if he's doing something like this you would let me know right and I was like oh well now that you mention it he is doing that and I was taken out immediately but I think I When it came to running tests for it, we were a bit late, and so he got off scot-free, which kind of sucked.
But it happened, and then after that, it happened again with someone else, another person who was watching me.
My mother was going out with one of her friends, and her son agreed to watch me.
And I was trying to watch something on TV, and I didn't want to watch it by myself, I think.
And so he was like, you know, I was...
Probably six when this happened.
Maybe a little bit younger. And he was like, I'll watch it with you if you let me do this.
And I was like, no, no, no, no.
Of course, even at that age, I was still able to say no, but, you know, against my will.
He never really agreed to be molested.
So, but yeah, and that was the last time it happened.
And did you tell your mom about that?
I did, but it was a little while later, and she yelled at me.
She was like, why didn't you tell me sooner?
But I didn't really know how to explain it, and I was a bit scared, nervous.
I didn't want to be in trouble for letting someone do that to me.
But at that point, it was too late to do anything.
So, yeah. Right.
Oh, and I was saying that.
I was going to go into a little bit of detail after that.
I have this issue, and as if I haven't made myself sound attractive enough with my insane jealousy, where sex-related things tend to make me really angry, like not the act itself necessarily, but if something comes on TV or is mentioned in a song, And my current partner is mindful of this, but if something is mentioned about it that's overly provocative, it sends me into a rage.
Like, not an open rage, I'm not smashing windows and stuff like that, but internally I get really off-put.
And I think it's because at such a young age, you know, it was sort of put into my mind that Sex is something that's so controlling, you know, and it just drives people to do disgusting things like touch four-year-old little girls.
So that kind of plays into this whole insecurity thing that I have where...
Sorry if my voice sounds a little bit shaky.
It kind of plays in this insecurity thing I have where it's like...
No matter what I have to offer, you know what I mean?
Sex can drive people to do crazy things, and if he's so sexually attracted to another woman, then, you know, what can I really offer?
Well, and I'm obviously, I normally will nag at people for laughing or being positive about things that are so horrible, but, you know, you're young, and it was horrible stuff, and I just wanted to let you know I'm aware of it, but I didn't want to interrupt your story, but... My apologies.
No, that's fine. I mean, it's brave to talk about this stuff, and I appreciate you doing it.
How old were you, Kayla, when your parents got divorced?
Well, surprise, surprise, they were never married.
My dad left very, very, very early, and yeah, it was never a huge part of my life.
It was not around much at all?
Well, whenever I was younger, way younger, I would go to stay with him over the summer when he was married to this one woman who kind of kept him in check.
I would go visit over the summer for a little while and stay with him and my brothers.
But that ended after a few summers, two or three maybe.
They got divorced, another surprise.
And so after that, the only time I was ever able to see him was...
If he somehow found out that I was in state or something and fought until I would go see him.
Or for my graduation a few years back, he showed up to see me then.
But other than that, no. He has not been a part of my life.
And when you said that you lived with an alcoholic or drug user?
That was my dad.
Whenever I would go stay with him. And also whenever I was young, young, young.
Like very, very tiny.
We lived with him, and that's how he was, and spending months at a time with him being that way.
Oh, also, I forgot to mention...
Wait, was he an alcoholic or a drug user?
Drug user and alcoholic, both.
Yeah. Whenever...
I went to go see him a few years ago.
I think it was maybe when I was in middle school, which wasn't a few years ago, but a while back.
And he...
Was under some kind of influence.
I don't know what it was. And he got into a fight with his fiance at the time.
And they had a wooden frame sort of in their house where it looked like a window should be, but there wasn't one.
And he was arguing with her and he ended up grabbing her somehow.
I didn't see this part and pushing her up against the frame so that she was choking.
He was choking her up against the frame and it snapped.
And that was the only reason he let go of her.
Was it like you tried to kill her?
I don't know. Honestly, I don't know.
But it could have, right? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what it could have come out to.
And her children were there as well, so they were subjected to that, which is just terrible.
Oh, so she was a single mom, too?
Yes. Now, you know that...
I don't know if you've watched the presentation, the truth about single moms.
Mm-hmm. But single motherhood is by far the family structure in which the children are the most abused.
I'm well aware, yes.
And leftists, this is a very gross generalization, so take it for what it's worth, but it hasn't escaped my attention that leftists seem to be quite keen on the hypersexualization of children.
And I certainly have seen a number of prominent leftists who have problems with child pornography or molestation and so on.
And they also are promoting social policies and tax policies and ideologies they know is going to lead to single motherhood.
Now, if there was someone who wanted sexual access to children, having single moms around is a great boon.
And I just, I sometimes wonder, this is a very long series of causality, so it's very tentative and it's very abstract, but I just wonder if there isn't some motivation among some leftists in the production of single motherhood because it gives them sexual access to kids.
We just, we know that. Statistically, they're going to be like 30 times more likely to be molested than in a two-parent healthy household.
So I am sorry for that start to your life.
It's okay. I'm working to recover from it, is what I meant to say.
Right. You know, it doesn't affect me as heavily as it wants to be.
What about your mother's boyfriends, if she had them?
Well, she didn't have many when I was growing up.
Currently, the one that she's with, she's been with for, I don't know, since 2009, so eight years.
And they're doing fairly well most of the time.
There's arguing, you know, but not too bad, I guess.
But yeah, he's never tried anything.
He also has children, so, you know, he's not like an abusive person for the most part.
Right. I could tell. Yeah.
Right. Now...
Why do you think your biological parents got together?
Well, my mom had a, I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh, this is more so just like a nerve thing, but had a very bad upbringing as well.
You know, same thing as me, only add on.
Like, intense physical abuse from other family members and verbal abuse targeted at her appearance and her intellectual state and all these other things, you know, so she didn't exactly come out of a very great place either.
And so I guess she just saw someone that she thought was attractive and she thought that maybe...
I guess she didn't know his history as well, maybe?
She didn't know... What could come of it.
I know that I was an accident, so it wasn't like she was trying to start a family with him, I suppose.
What do you mean by an accident?
I never quite... I mean, unless you're Mary, mother of Joseph, I don't know where the excuse is.
Yeah, exactly. I wasn't planned.
We'll put it that way. Well, no, but I mean...
18 different forms of birth control for women.
Yeah. You would think, right?
You would think that... It'd be more preventable, but...
I mean, I'm glad you're here, don't get me wrong.
As am I, yeah.
Yeah. And how long have you been with your current boyfriend for?
Not very long. I think since April, so just three months.
Or almost four, actually, yeah.
So not too long at all.
And how much does he know about your history?
Well, recently I started explaining this stuff to him.
Actually, right before I got in this call, I was standing outside of my house with him, telling him he knows about you.
And I was telling him that I was really excited to be on the show.
And I kind of opened up about the whole sexual abuse history right then, which might not have been the best time, but I did.
And he was very comforting with it.
Or about it.
And that's about it.
When we first got involved, I told him about, you know, my jealousy and all that.
So he knew about that right off the bat.
But as for my history, not so much.
He also knows that I was spanked as a kid.
But of course, he doesn't share my views on it.
And he doesn't see it as A horrible treatment to children which I'm working on.
Well, what was his childhood like, Kayla?
Really good, actually, from what he's told me.
It was like he had a bunch of friends.
His parents are together, you know, and they still love each other deeply, and I can tell every time I see them.
He lives in a very nice house, a beautiful neighborhood.
His life seems like it's all together.
I do recall him telling me that he went through...
Oh, and big family, too.
Everybody's super close in his family.
I do recall him telling me that he went through a phase where his...
He fought with his parents all the time.
I think him and his father got into some sort of physical fight.
I think his dad, like, punched him or something like that.
I don't recall completely.
But other than that one time, from what he's told me, it was wonderful.
Wait, but I assume he was spanked, right?
Yes. Yeah. So he spanked and he got into a fistfight with his father.
Yeah. Yeah.
Horrible. But, um...
Yeah, which, you know, but he speaks of his childhood happily.
He doesn't sound hurt, you know, and he says...
Do you think that everyone who speaks of that...
Hang on, I'm not saying he's wrong, right?
But do you think that everyone who speaks of their childhood happily had a happy childhood?
No, of course not, of course not.
But, I mean, as far as it...
As far as the way that...
You know, he doesn't look back in pain, which I guess is just, like, one...
I mean, obviously it had its effects on him mentally and all of that, but at least he doesn't look back and say, wow, I hated my life.
I was so miserable. You know what I mean?
Right. That's just what I was trying to say.
Bye. So, as far as body images and all that go, I mean, it's funny too, because I was just talking about this with a friend of mine the other day, how...
This sort of selfie culture.
You know, when I was a kid, you know, people would rush to see their yearbook photos because they hadn't been photographed all year.
Especially if you were poor.
I mean, a camera was pretty expensive and getting your camera film developed was pretty expensive and then it would just generally go into some picture book that you wouldn't see.
Now it's like swipe, swipe, swipe.
Like you can see yourself from every angle all day, all the time, right?
And it is a pretty wild thing.
When you get instant access to some of the most, you know, genetically gifted, hardworking, physical beauties of all time, right?
Yeah. Sorry, Emily Radikowski or whatever the hell her name is like, I can't get roles in Hollywood because my boobs are too big.
Yeah. Right?
I mean, so you see...
I mean, you know, I'm sure they work hard, they exercise and so on, but there are lots of people who do that who aren't going to end up looking like that.
I mean, there's a certain genetic A giftiness to all of that.
So not only do you see yourself a lot in selfies and pictures and, oh, here's a picture we took last night.
And, you know, in my high school yearbook, there was like a picture of a dance and I was like dancing away.
I'm like, oh, I've never seen a picture.
Like now you can't...
You're at a club and click, click, click, click.
Everyone documents everything all the time.
And so... Having the selfie culture combined with the, what are the Instagram models doing today?
Yeah, honestly.
You know that is not realistic, right?
Yeah, but that's such a big player into this.
And I hate, you know, I don't want to say, oh, it's the media, because it's really not.
But, like, in terms of me, it's just my own personal attacks on myself, but it really doesn't help when, you know, and I avoid social media.
I don't use it. The only thing I use is YouTube, and that's all, you know, philosophy stuff.
Well, that's all very healthy, I would say.
Yeah, exactly.
I used to use it, but then I was like, I can't.
I don't know. Social media users, in general, as far as I understand it, people spend a lot of time on social media, like where it's not their job, you know, like I have a certain jobby element to social media.
But if you spend a lot of time on social media, odds are you're kind of depressed.
Exactly, exactly, and I would just see so much stuff, and I would see so many people, this is playing into the insecurity thing, I would see so many people that I would, you know, hold some sort of interest in just gawking and going crazy over these people who just seem to offer so little other than, you know, their appearance, and it was just sort of mind-blowing to me.
I was like, you're really gonna worship this social media icon for what?
What What is the appeal?
I'm not understanding. And that was one of the reasons why I left because just seeing it all the time was Draining, I guess.
Oh, yeah. And of course, you know, people aren't generally going to post their less favorable moments, you know?
Yeah, yeah. Here's my face.
I just got fired.
You know what I mean? Like, they're just not, hey, I just discovered this really strange thing on my leg.
You know, like, people aren't going to post that.
They're going to be like, here's the meal I just prepared.
Ta-da! You know, or Michelle Malkin, she's out there hiking again.
It's like, well, good for her, actually.
I think it's great. Yeah. And I like Michelle a lot.
But this is, you're not going to see now.
Actually, Ann Coulter did retweet one picture of hers that was not, I mean, she's a great looking woman, but she retweeted a picture, you know.
It only takes the wrong angle at the wrong time of day.
You know, like, I mean... I'll sometimes look pretty good in photos, but, you know, you get those photos where it's like, you know, you're kind of sagging.
You know, you can always push out a second chin if you want.
Or, you know, as you say, you sit down, and unless you're like a Calvin Klein model who hasn't had a drink of water in three days for a photo shoot, you know, you're going to have a little bit of a roll.
Or you see... It's funny, you know, because you see pictures of movie stars off-season...
And, you know, and it's sad because when I was a kid, when I was a little kid, being slender was good enough.
And then, like, after Stallone and Rocky and pumping iron and gym culture, being slender wasn't enough.
Then you had to have, like, visible stomach muscles.
Yeah. You know, because Lord knows you may need to save a kitten's life by doing 5,000 crunches one day and you want to be prepared.
And then it became like, okay, Abs are now the thing.
Now you have to show abs, you know, like Jersey Shore, you lift this shit up and show your situation, right?
Yeah. But, you know, these guys, a lot of these guys with the muscles and a lot of the women, that's not natural.
And I don't mean it's not natural, like, who the hell has time to spend five hours a day in the gym?
Like, they take stuff.
You know, didn't? And Schwarzenegger openly admitted to using massive amounts of steroids to achieve his size, and he had to have, like, open-heart surgery.
After they found out that he banged his housekeeper rather than his wife, I think they didn't assume he had a heart.
But it's pretty toxic and dangerous stuff.
That's not realistic things to have.
But if you see movie stars, like, okay, so movie stars with abs, right, or like reasonably tight stomachs, you know, you see Harrison Ford offseason, it's like, whoa, he ate Chewbacca.
Or even guys who've got, who are sort of slender frames or whatever, like, Oh, what's his name?
The guy who was in The Martian.
Ben Affleck. Matt Damon.
Matt Damon. You see him off-season, it's like, whoa.
Matt, yoga mat on my belly, Damon.
Or, you know, even Brad Pitt, you know, of the most famous abs in history.
Abs and hair. You see Brad Pitt off-season and it's like, oh yeah, okay.
So he can't just walk in and do a movie.
He's got to train a little first.
And so there is this, of course, unrealistic stuff.
These guys have, you know, it's their job.
Professional dieticians, they eschew water use.
They, you know, when Matt Damon had to lose weight for a movie he made with Meg Ryan, he's like, okay, one piece of fish a day for like three months.
And it's crazy hard work.
And that's their job. And they paid millions of dollars to do it.
So, comparing yourself to...
Even in social media, the people post when they're doing the best.
And I get it.
I mean, it's kind of nice, but sometimes it's kind of douchey, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Like, nobody sits there and says, here's my bowl of Cheerios I'm eating with half an apricot because I'm too lazy to make dinner, right?
I mean, that's not very common, although it is actually kind of common.
Do you know what I mean? It's always like, here's my vile parmesan gratin, whatever it is, like some lobster bisque of tourniquet soup or something like that.
It's just not realistic to compare your average day or your average slice of day with everyone's highlight reel, if that makes sense.
Well, see, you know, in terms of the insecurities and stuff, it's gotten to the point, or I guess it's always been at the point, where...
It's not even just comparing myself to photos.
Someone could walk by me outside, which is common.
You know what I mean? When you see somebody attractive outside, you're like, wow.
But for me, it's not like a wow moment.
Well, listen, first of all, Kayla, I don't know how you're seeing really attractive people outside, because I spend a lot of my time inside.
So I don't really understand that.
But no, so you see this in real life.
It's not just this unrealistic stuff, and for sure.
But here's the thing, in my humble opinion.
The... The reality of sexual molestation, in my mind, goes something like this.
You have an ambivalent relation to sexuality because you want to be sexually attractive.
There's nothing wrong with that. You want to be sexually attractive, but sexuality, given your early experiences, has a dark and dangerous, sinister and destructive element, right?
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
So you're like a lion tamer who's pretty convinced that the lion's going to eat him.
Exactly. Right?
So you have this highly ambivalent relationship, and I think it comes out as this comparison, this jealousy, because...
I mean, sexuality towards kids, I don't know.
I can't even comprehend it.
But it does, of course, give children the very darkest and nastiest twisted elements of human sexuality.
And, you know, whether it's about sexuality or about control or destruction, you know, I think it is more about destruction than anything else.
And I think it also arises out of a terrifying kind of insecurity, you know, like...
You have so much power and control over a child that, you know, like an adult can say no, an adult is going to have demands, there's going to be some kind of egalitarianism in the relationship, an adult has options, an adult can call the cops if you do something untoward, and kids are kind of helpless and easily controllable in many situations.
Exactly. So I would say that as far as this attractiveness goes, a lot of, I mean, when I look at Growing rates of single motherhood and I look at growing rates of obesity, what I see is growing rates of single motherhood equals growing rates of molestation.
Growing rates of molestation may have something to do with growing rates of obesity because a lot of people get fat to reduce their sexual market value because they don't want to be attractive to the lion, if that makes sense.
So you want to be attractive and you are attractive, but at the same time there is danger in being attractive.
Yes. Yeah.
I mean, when you've got the...
What is it? Some guy from Glee was caught with child pornography.
We've got the California Deputy Attorney General caught with child pornography.
We've got all of...
I mean, they're being arrested all over the place.
This is something the mainstream media will not talk about, and it's absolutely unconscionable.
These child prostitution rings, these child molestation rings, these child pornography rings are being crushed by...
By the Attorney General. Are being crushed in law enforcement in wave after wave after wave.
And by God, it's about time.
And by God, don't ever stop.
Exactly. And so this...
You're...
Manifestations, such as they are from some of the molestation that you experienced, if that's what they are.
First of all, good job, relatively mild.
Right? But here's the reality.
You, Kayla, will never be molested again, because you're not a child anymore.
You are an adult with independence, a cell phone, full phone calls, full options, full legal protections.
You're not dependent on anyone.
You're not four. You're not six.
That's in the rear view.
Doesn't need to be processed.
Doesn't need to be dealt with. But that will never, ever happen again.
Ever. Ever. And so, if you have ambivalence towards sexuality because of your history, I completely understand it.
But that's because the history has to some degree remained, in my opinion, unprocessed.
Now, once you process all of that, it's very liberating.
You know, I worked at a Swiss chalet when I was a teenager.
And the Swiss chalet had this little bar in it.
And late one night, I was just tidying up my section, and there was some belligerent jerk at the bar.
And the bartender was a really cool guy.
I liked him. And this belligerent drunk was upset about, you know, stupid drunks, they just, whatever, it doesn't matter, right?
I mean, who knows why the hell you're dead, but anyway.
But the belligerent drunk was like, oh yeah, I could just crack you on the face, right?
And the bartender just shrugged and said, yeah, you could.
I called the cops, you go to jail.
Yeah. Now, I looked at that and my jaw just like, I don't know, I was like 16 or so, maybe 17.
And my jaw just like hit the floor.
And I was like, damn, he's right.
I could do that when I was being beaten up by my mom when I was a kid.
I call the cops, you go to jail.
It's like, nope. Yeah.
Need an adult in the house, she's the only one I got.
And so that moment of, wow, I'm now an adult and people cannot fuck with me in the same way anymore.
I am not dependent.
I am not subjugated.
I will never need to rely on someone else.
For that kind of protection, who can violate that kind of protection, I now have full access to the weight of law to keep me safe.
Yeah. That's in the rear view.
Going forward will never be like it was.
Going forward has nothing to do with that.
That was horrible. That was terrible.
That was wrong. And I sure as shit wish that those people, those guys had paid for what they did.
Honestly. Honestly.
But even that was not your choice at the age of four and six.
Yeah. I tried to find them, sorry to throw this in there, but I tried to find them recently, or a few years ago, and again recently, to see if I could Just see if they're alive.
See if they're, you know, I don't know why I was looking for them.
Maybe I wanted some sort of justice.
I have no idea. Maybe they're in prison. But yeah, I was hoping so, but I couldn't find either one of them.
And the only thing that I had about the first man was his name, or his last name.
And the other one, I don't even remember what I was going off of for him.
But so I wonder, you know, what you experienced at the age of four and the age of six will never happen again.
You will never, ever be in that life situation again.
I wish, wish with all of my heart, Kayla, that you'd never been in that life situation.
But you never will now, as an adult.
That's the goal. That's...
No, but do you, does that, you know what?
I understand, yes, I do.
Yeah, but this...
Well, I mean, the thing is that at this point in my life, I'm not so terrified of it happening again.
At this point, the scariest part to me is what I'm having to deal with because of it.
You know what I mean? I can't even watch a movie or listen to a song without getting enraged because someone brings up sex.
Or there's a sex scene or something like that.
You know what I mean? I'm not so nervous because I've come to the realization of I'm not so vulnerable anymore.
But... Inside, I'm still constantly dealing, especially at a time, which I guess it's always been, but when sex appeal is just so heavily relied on for everything.
You know, earlier today I was watching a music video, and the music video opened up with just a room full of half-naked women dancing on each other, and I immediately got angry.
Because, I mean, because why?
I don't know. Because it's stupid, R-selected, physical crap.
Thank you. Thank you.
Because it turns human beings into muscle-pumping, semen-spraying rabbit heads.
I mean, it's terrible stuff.
And again, sexual attractiveness is important.
Being physically attractive is fine.
Staying in shape is fine. All of this stuff is great.
But the hypersexualization is tragic.
And it generally promotes a kind of vicious body narcissism that is extremely unhealthy and often pathological.
To the highest ideal of social good.
And of course, it requires that we empty ourselves out of anything other than base sensual intake.
You know, knowing a beautiful soul, knowing a beautiful life, knowing a beautiful character, knowing beautiful virtue and so on, that's hard.
That takes some discrimination and judgment.
You know, that guy has abs.
That guy has chiseled features.
That woman has a tight butt or, you know, whatever.
And it's like, that's just, that's like ape shit, you know?
It's not fundamentally human that apes do that.
Well, you see, it's just hard because...
Most people, you know, I'm 19, most people, and I'm young, at my age, don't really think about, oh, hey, maybe it's really important to keep in mind, at least not the people I'm around, these things.
So whenever I try to talk, especially today, you know, there's a whole idea of slut-shaming, which is mind-blowing to me, that people are, like, getting angry over this.
But, you know, you try to bring this up to somebody and say, man, you know, this is just ridiculous.
This is pathetic. They're just trying to appeal to, you know, what's in your pants.
That's such a waste.
And people are just like, oh, you're so prudish.
You're so traditional. Get over it.
So that's kind of every time I have one of those moments where I'm like, hey, I do have something more to offer than just my physical appearance or this or that related to sexuality or whatever.
It's always greeted with, no, the rest of us kind of agree.
Well, can I tell you something interesting?
This is just an insight that I've had.
It's that, you know, people who say that sex divorced from values is not great.
Oh, you're such a prude. You're somehow against sex if you think that sort of virtues and values should be involved in the act of sexuality.
You're somehow against sex.
Can I tell you something, Kayla? This is not scientifically true.
This is not empirically proven.
This has just been my experience.
Do you know, in my experience, it is the hottest women who dislike sex the most?
Well, I must be shining because it enrages me.
No, and even without the kind of history that you had, because you know what it's like?
The richest people really dislike money.
Yeah. Because if somebody wants to be your friend...
And you're really rich.
You're pretty sure it's because of your money, right?
There's an old movie about two guys hunting a bear with Alec Baldwin and Anthony Hopkins.
And Anthony Hopkins is this rich guy and he's up in the wilderness and some guy starts to sit down and chat with him.
And within like a minute or two, he's like, oh yeah, you know, I've got this plan for this big hunting lodge up here and you've got to invest in it.
And Anthony Hopkins was like, oh, and here I thought you just wanted to chat with me.
Because he's got money, so everyone wants to pitch him.
So the rich guys, I mean, it's not like they want to give away all their money any more than an attractive woman wants to make herself unattractive.
You know, she'll let social justice warriors trying to convince her into that.
I don't know what it is to take in white women ugly these days.
But anyway. But because they use sex appeal to get attention, but then they resent, of course, that men are only into them for their looks.
In the same way that a guy throwing money around in a club is going to have lots of friends, right?
Yeah. But he resents that the friends are only there for the money.
But I mean, what are you doing, right?
You're kind of setting yourself up.
Right. So I just...
And there is no body stuff.
You understand there's no solution to that.
Yeah. Because if you're hotter, all that happens is you move up in the scale.
Yeah. And if you're so hot that you're a bikini model, then you're terrified if you have a pimple.
Or if your boobs start to sag, as they will.
Or you get a little cellulite, as you will, particularly if you're on the pill.
So there's no solution to it.
All that happens is if you're more attractive, then you just move up in the scale.
And maybe you're the most attractive person on the planet.
You know, one in billions, right?
And then what happens is someone's going to replace you because you're going to get old.
You know, so you can't ever...
Now, I'm not saying, again, I'm not saying don't think about your appearance and it doesn't matter.
I'm not saying that at all. But you know...
That anyone who wants to be with you just for your looks is using you, right?
Yeah. Like a fleshlighter.
Like, they're using you as a sex toy.
They're not using you. Like, they're not with you.
They're with your body, right? Mm-hmm.
And that's gross.
And it's cheating. To get attention for looks is as shitty as getting attention for throwing money around.
Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah.
So. Jealous.
Jealous. You don't trust your boyfriend.
It's not anything else.
You don't trust your boyfriend because male sexuality was very dangerous and damaging to you as a child, right?
Yes. Yes, yes, yes.
Right. So, if you were to trust that your boyfriend is with you because you are you, because you are unique, you are who you are, if your boyfriend is with you because of that, you are irreplaceable.
Yeah. Right? And, you know, anybody that you're with is going to tell you that.
And so that's what he's told me.
Ah! Wait, wait, wait, wait.
The question isn't what he tells you.
The question is what you believe.
Now, if you say, well, every guy is going to tell you that you're special, it's like, well, then you need to find some way that you can trust a man.
Mm-hmm. Right? Yep.
If you trust him, He can look at other women.
He can even appreciate other women.
You know, I went to go and see Dunkirk last night with my wife, and she's pointing at a picture of Charlize Theron.
She says, man, that is an attractive woman.
Look at her. Yeah.
Right? She knows she's worshipped, loved, and adored, and I'm not going anywhere ever.
Right? So if you trust Your boyfriend, you won't feel jealous.
Your jealousy is not anything other than trust.
Now, the question is, have you ever had a man in your life that you could trust?
Not that I can really recall.
Oh, you'd recall. Such a surprise, exactly.
You would recall if you had, right?
And people usually resort to the, oh, you have daddy issues kind of thing, you know, so...
Can I just, you know, there's a few people I want to thump.
There's a few people where my non-aggression principle cracks a little bit.
The people who say, like, you mentioned this phrase earlier, and I got a little facial tick.
The people who say, blah, blah, blah, blah, get over it.
Or get over yourself, it's like it's ugly sibling.
It's like, shut up, that's not an argument.
Exactly. Get over it.
Period. Period. And what was the phrase you just used?
That was another one that...
My memory is the worst.
It slipped my mind.
My apologies. That's fine.
That's fine. But you haven't had a man in your life you can trust.
Oh, it was daddy issues. That's what it was.
Oh, yeah. The people who say, oh, you just have daddy issues.
Oh, you just have mommy issues.
It's like... Come on.
Come on. If a woman's been beaten up by her husband, you say, oh, you just have husband issues.
It's like, no, you were viciously treated by her.
These are the people who chose the husband.
You didn't choose your parents. Exactly.
If you're abused by your mother, you have mommy issues.
It's a cheap, abusive, sophist trick to put the person into the frame of mind of being a child again.
Because they don't say mother issues usually, they say mommy issues.
And mommy is the word that small kids use.
So it's just a way of pushing the child back down into a helpless, subservient, childhood frame of mind.
It's a vicious, vicious thing to do.
And people who do it are nasty, petty, pathetic bullies.
And I'll call them out every single time they...
They do it. But yeah, you have not had any exposure to honorable men.
I mean, I'm not counting your current boyfriend because this is pretty new, but you don't have that.
And you don't have exposure to women who choose honorable, decent men, right?
When you fall down into the single mother universe, good men vanish like ghosts at dawn.
They vanish like holograms when there's a power outage, right?
It's not around. Yeah, that's a crazy thing, actually.
My mom...
How do I say this?
So, it kind of seems as though, because she felt as though she had to work so hard to get where she is, and she was abandoned by my dad and all this other stuff.
It seems as though she really doesn't support the traditional family, you know?
And so... Recently, my end goal in life used to be that I wanted to have my own business for some linguistics-related stuff, international relations.
And she was really excited about this because she owns her own business.
And she was like, this is going to be great.
It's going to be great. Well, recently I was like, I mean, you know, eventually I want to have kids.
Not even eventually. You know, whenever I'm a bit on the younger side, I want to have children.
And I want to be able to stay with my kids.
I don't want to be in an occupation that's going to take me away from them.
I'm really at all. And so, you know, I don't want to start this business.
And she kind of like, looked at me and discussed and I was like, Okay, so already, you know, the idea of me finding this great man who You know, falling into the idea of, wow, I can trust this person.
I would love to start a family with someone, you know, and do all these great things and be the traditional family is like has been embedded in my mind to be looked down upon, which is ridiculous.
Well, it's funny, you know, because I'm sorry to interrupt, but there's this terrible tragedy that's gone on over the past like 60, 70 years.
Which is where women are told, don't you end up dependent on a man.
Exactly. Don't end up dependent on a man.
You've got to keep your own skills.
You've got to have your own occupation.
You've got to have your own bank account.
You've got to have your own savings.
You've got to have your... Do not end up dependent on a man.
Yeah, I don't believe in that.
I really don't. Well, everybody who's got any sense knows exactly what that means.
If somebody keeps yelling at you, don't be dependent on a man, you're just going to have sex with guys who are undependable.
That's all that's going to happen.
Whoa, look at that! Self-fulfilling prophecy.
Men can't be trusted.
Men are pigs. Men are scum.
Well, then guess who the women are going to be attracted to?
I mean, it's a way of programming women.
To aim, as surely as a howitzer with a laser pointer, to aim their eggs at the scuzziest men around.
It's just terrible.
And of course, your mom, is she going to say, yeah, traditional families are best?
Of course not. Because then she'd have to say, sorry, honey, mommy screwed up.
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, what's crazy is that I confronted her.
I did like a whole speech in college about why spanking is wrong to sort of educate people.
And I told her about it.
I didn't even read it to her. I just told her about it.
And she, you know, got angry at me.
I was like, yeah, I am not happy that you spanked me as a kid.
I'm not okay with that.
I think it was wrong.
And she was like, well, you weren't me.
You don't know. You weren't in my position.
And that's just the laziest form, you know, of spanking.
It's not even discipline, really.
So when I... I don't know.
I got off track because I'm just so...
No, no, listen. That makes sense.
Your mom is not comfortable.
Listen, I mean, I have...
I've done really well as a parent.
And I don't look back...
Very, very few things.
So I look back with regret.
And the only things that I look back with regret, which is random accidents, you know, just occasional things that happen.
But I can't picture what it's like to have done something like put your child in the care of people who end up molesting your child.
Like, Kayla, I can't fathom what that must be like.
Yeah. I can't fathom how you would not spend the rest of your natural-born life just apologizing for that.
Like, I can't imagine. Hey, here, you go to this safe place, honey.
I'm the adult. I'm the one who's supposed to keep you safe.
I have chosen this pedophile to take care of you.
Yeah. Now, of course, oh, I didn't know she was a pedophile.
That's kind of the point.
That's kind of the point.
You don't let your children go with anyone.
You don't trust 150%.
You don't let your children go with anyone you don't trust 150%.
I don't care if you have to stay home in a nun's outfit till you're 30.
That's what you do.
Yeah. And this happened twice!
And she yelled at you the second time.
She yelled at you.
Mom, that was your goddamn job to keep Kayla safe.
Your job. You don't yell at the six-year-old after you put him in the care of a molester twice.
Your job to keep that child safe.
You failed, not the child.
You failed in the most elemental job as a parent.
Don't let your kids get molested.
You failed twice And you yelled at her Come on. It's not just men you've not seen a lot of trustworthiness from, is it?
I guess not really, no.
That was one of the things that I had mentioned to you, or I wrote on my survey before calling in, that any sort of emotional action was usually greeted with anger and Stuff like that.
So whenever I was a kid, if I would get super emotional about anything, it could even just be me getting emotional and saying, wow, like, I'm so happy that, you know, you're my parent.
I'm so happy about this stuff.
I was always just sort of greeted with, like, what?
Like, why are you showing emotion, I guess?
And, you know, if I would get spanked and I would cry, it was straighten up your face, straighten up your face.
Or if we were in public and I would get yelled at, it was, you know what I mean?
Always the same thing. Dealing with and openly discussing my emotions is not something that I've ever been really skilled at, you know?
And so that's why when I finally was able to say, hey, I don't like that you did this to me when I was a kid, and she immediately responded with, you know, well, you didn't know.
It didn't hit me as hard as it would if I was younger because I'm sort of more self-aware about it now, you know what I mean?
I've kind of been able to see that This isn't really a rational response.
I shouldn't feel bad for opening up about something just because she doesn't like what I opened up about.
And why do you think she didn't or doesn't like your emotions?
I don't know. I think that I honestly, I don't know.
And I'm also trying to figure this out because I feel like if I can figure it out, then I can find another approach and I'll finally be able to openly discuss my emotions with her.
But I think that she's also a super emotional person, you know, and so everything hits her mind.
Hard, maybe? I don't know.
Maybe she's not good at dealing with her own emotions, so she doesn't like having to deal with other people.
All right, all right. Enough theorizing.
That's just a word salad, I'm afraid.
I'll tell you what I think, which doesn't mean that I'm right, as always.
I'll just tell you what I think.
There was one time I was running late for an important appointment.
I was bringing my daughter, and she got upset about something right before she...
Right before we left. Now, that was a moment.
I've got to get somewhere.
My daughter's very upset.
That's a conflict.
I can only get where I'm going on time if I ignore to some degree or minimize or hurry her along when she's upset.
And if I stop to deal with her being upset, I'm not going to get to the important appointment on time.
Her emotions were inconvenient to what I needed to do.
Now, that was very rare, and of course I stopped and dealt with her emotions and phoned and said I was going to be late, and, you know, we dealt with it, right?
But if you can sort of put yourself in the state of mind of a parent who's like, you've got to get somewhere.
Like, I don't know, like a plane or something.
Like something very important. And...
Your kid is upset. It's easy to feel annoyed at the child.
Especially because if it's something like, this wasn't the case with my daughter, but let's say it was something like, I can't find my stuffed toy.
Right, you can understand, I think you can, I'm not saying do it, but of course you can understand that as a parent it's like, the stuffed toy isn't important, we've got to go, right?
And then of course, if you've been a good parent, your kid's going to dig their heels in, right?
Rather than just soullessly comply like some limp robot, right?
Yes. So, what I'm trying to say, Kayla, what I'm in my roundabout way trying to get across, is that I think it's entirely possible that your emotions were inconvenient to your mother.
Your emotions were troublesome to your mother.
Your emotions would cause your mother to feel negative emotions.
Your emotions would cause your mother to have to make changes in her life that she just didn't want to make, or your emotions would cause your mother to have to make admissions in her life that she just didn't want to admit.
Your emotions would have threatened your mother's view of herself and her competence and her virtue in some foundational way, so your emotions were a kind of predator, stalking her false self, her beliefs about herself that weren't true.
And so they had to be kept in bay.
You lock up a tiger in the house.
And if there's an authenticity around you that by its very nature and honesty and goodness is threatening your false view of yourself, you must keep it caged.
You must keep it silent, underground.
You must keep it at bay.
So what you felt was the opposite in some way of how your mother was living, or what your mother believed about herself, in my opinion.
Yeah, I mean, you're probably right.
And I thought about that before, you know, the idea of she feels as though maybe I'm attacking her personally.
And that's why.
Well, aren't you? I'm not criticizing you for doing it, but if you say, Mom, it was not good to spank me.
People who don't have any confidence or don't have a lot of confidence will always feel the criticism as some sort of malevolent personal attack designed to destroy them, right?
But that's cowardice, and what it does is it allows them to escalate things to the point where they can just scream other people to silence and feel justified, right?
Mm-hmm. Like you bring up something negative or bring up something critical of your parent, if your parent doesn't have the ego strength or doesn't have the maturity or doesn't have the courage to listen, or if it's after the time, you know, once you become an adult, and I tell you, this is just my opinion again, but Caleb, once you become an adult, parenting is done.
Hell, I mean, a good chunk of my parenting is done.
My daughter's eight. A good chunk of my parenting is done.
You know, like, there's no point for you now going to your mom and saying, Mom, it'd be great if you didn't put me under the care and control of any pedophile babysitters again.
Right? That's done. That's what I mean when I say...
I mean, adults can certainly be sexually attacking someone, but it's not the same as being molested as a child, because you're an adult.
You're independent. You have access to the law you have, right?
So... Criticizing...
I don't know. Once you become an adult, criticizing parents, it has value.
Because it reveals to you the true nature of your relationship.
But it's not like a lot of stuff can be fixed.
I mean, stuff can be admitted to, and I think that's helpful.
But it's not like a lot of stuff can be fixed.
Because you're an adult.
Their job was years in the past.
If they fell down and failed on the job...
Well, it's too late to fix it.
And a lot of times, when people have left a problem fester for so long, to the point where there's really, you can't go back and fix it, then they don't want to hear anything about it.
Yeah. Does that make sense?
Mm-hmm. Do you have any access to therapy?
I do not, no.
What about college?
Yes, I'm currently in college.
Yeah, you know, you might have access to therapeutic resources through your student union or through other...
I would look into that.
Well, currently I'm attending a junior college, which is just to get my associates and then pass that.
I'm going to, you know, further my education immediately.
But as of now, I don't really have access to much.
The school is just sort of focused on...
Getting your credit and get out.
Would you let us help?
I would, but...
Good, good. You know what, then?
That's all you need to say. Just two words is all I need from you, sweetie.
No, I mean, if you'll let us help, let us know.
I mean, I'd like to help listeners, and in particular, I think good therapists can be very, very helpful with this kind of stuff.
You don't want to sort of smack around trying to figure things out if a good therapist can help you, right?
Yes. So, I mean, don't, you know, your heart is a fragile organ.
You know, they say the heart is an organ of fire, if you're in some never-ending movie with Ray Fiennes, but it's not.
A heart is an organ of eggshells.
And I don't want to see you bouncing around like a pinball, ending up breaking your heart in five more relationships before you figure stuff out.
If this guy is from a good family and he's the guy you really like and so on, then what you can do or what I request you do is call around, talk to a few people, see if they'll spend a little bit of time with you on the phone, ask what their therapeutic approach is.
I've got a podcast called How to Find a Good Therapist, which is my sort of opinions about it.
And if you can find a good therapist, just get a quote, send it in to Mike, and we'll work on covering it, all right?
That's amazing. Thank you so much.
My pleasure, my pleasure.
Listen, you're a great woman, and you have been hard done by, and you need better treatment.
You need a...
A crack in the sky to let the sunlight in and let these plants grow.
So whatever I can do or we can do to help you with that, we're happy to do.
So will you do that?
Yes, I will. Excellent.
All right. And keep us posted about how things go.
And again, my very, very deepest sympathies for what happened to you as a child.
There is a great life ahead.
You have to earn it.
But earning it makes it even sweeter.
If you've ever been Desperately thirsty.
And then you get that bottle of water that's got sweat dripping down the sides.
It's so cold. That's the best tasting water you're going to have.
So I hope that you will take us up on this.
Keep us posted. Thank you so much for your time today, Kayla.
Will do. Thank you.
All right. Take care. Alright, up next we have Marco.
Marco wrote in and said, how do you feel about the general viewpoint of the West being the villain by trying to act as a cop and constantly financing the rebelling, more often than not, terrorist factions in various countries like Syria, Iraq, and Yugoslavia?
There's a good portion of people in the Balkans who feel as if their countries are being colonized, mainly by Germany and the U.S.
What are your thoughts on this form of brutal capitalism?
That's from Marco.
Brutal capitalism?
Uh...
What do you mean?
We call it neoliberal capitalism.
But, you know, the companies come and buy land, they buy everything and then they just use us as a cheap workforce.
Feels bad. So the West, okay, the West being a villain by trying to act as a cop and constantly financing the rebelling...
Well, okay, when you say the West, what do you mean?
Do you think that private individuals are doing this?
Partly, let's say, partly.
I think it's mainly the US and Germany.
Right, but do you think it's the governments or the citizens?
The governments. Okay, good.
So once we understand that it's the governments, we can stop slandering capitalism for what the state is doing.
I'm actually a capitalist myself, but I don't like this form of capitalism, the colonization, you know?
All right. Let's deal with these as two issues.
And one is very easy.
The idea of financing terrorist factions in Syria, Iraq, Yugoslavia, and so on, horrendous.
The West should just goddamn well go home and stay home.
You have enough problems in your own damn countries without going around poking the hornet's nests all over Russia.
The world and some of the problems in your own countries are directly the result of this poking of the hornet's nests all over the world.
So no, I am not a fan.
I am a bitter, deep and committed enemy to this kind of foreign policy.
So, I hope that, you know, and the fact that there are refugees from Ukraine that nobody's taking in tells you all you need to know about the federal left and their love affair with the third world.
So, yes, stop funding terrorist organizations, stop manipulating countries around the world, and for God's sake, stop selling arms to every asshole dictatorship with a turban that you can find anywhere in the world.
For God's sake, just stop it.
Just stop it. Oh, but jobs depend on it.
It's like, yep. And those jobs should go the fuck away.
Those jobs should vanish like a demon exercise from the rotating head of an eight-year-old girl.
That stuff should go.
Yes, those jobs will go away.
And, as a bonus, you might need fewer soldiers.
And, as a bonus, you might need less rigorous screening at airports.
And, as a bonus, you won't have to take in all these supposed refugees.
Because there won't be all this instability that makes everyone think that everyone fleeing from Africa and associated countries has anything to do with being a refugee.
Which they don't. The vast majority of them.
So, yeah. Horrible stuff.
It is one of the greatest evils that goes on in the world.
The evils that go on within the country are terrible enough, but the evils that go on between countries, even worse in many ways.
So, as far as companies coming in and...
You say they're buying land, right?
Yeah, they're buying everything.
Basically, they then employ us as cheap workforce.
Well, why don't you start a company and compete with them?
Well, it's a bit tough, you know.
We have a traitor government.
Oh, so is the government preventing you from starting companies to compete with the foreigners?
It's a bit difficult to explain.
You know, our salaries are like 300 euros.
I'm not exactly complaining too hard, but...
No, but why can't your local entrepreneurs who speak the language, who know the customs, who know the people, who have contacts, who have a basis in the community, why can't your local entrepreneurs start these companies instead?
Oh, there are people doing that.
However, the big issue is most of the people living in Serbia today are Yugoslavs in the sense of they are leftists, socialists.
So you already can guess how that is gonna look.
You know, they're like...
It's difficult to explain.
Oh no, I get it.
Leftists invade like termites.
Yeah. And they relentlessly destroy any shred of freedom that they can find so that they can end up replacing voluntarism with the violence that they feast on.
Indeed. I mean, they're always giving away something that doesn't belong to them.
You know, it's like... It's the one shitty thing about communism and all the left stuff.
But Marco. Yep.
Ostracize leftists.
Set up people who say, hell no, I'm not buying from these socialist entrepreneurs.
No, I'm not buying these products.
I don't care if they're cheaper.
I'm not buying that shit.
Look, people do this all the time.
The left is well organized.
The left punches back hard.
Why do you think people are complaining, and people even give a shit that people are complaining, about the fact that there aren't enough people from Ethiopia in the World War II French movie Dunkirk?
The reason that they're doing that is because people will...
Bitch at everyone about lack of representation of minorities in these movies.
It's like, go make your own goddamn war movies.
If you're someone from the Inuit or you're an Eskimo or whatever, and you think that there aren't enough Inuit or Eskimo in a European war movie, go make your own damn war movie.
Go write your own script. Go raise your own money.
Go write your own damn thing.
Just bitch at people and say, hire more of us.
Hire more of us. Tell your own damn stories.
Jesus Christ. But the reason that this has even given any credence at all is the left is organized, the left boycotts, the left causes trouble, the left writes letters, the left gets outraged, the left protests.
You're going to have to do it, people.
You're going to have to get off your asses.
I know it's tough.
You've got jobs, they don't.
You're going to have to get off your asses, and you're going to have to start organizing, and you're going to have to start making trouble the same way the left makes trouble.
Because what happens is the left fucks people up and then the right responds with recent arguments and evidence.
Hey, newsflash, pro tip, not working.
Not working. You need to organize boycotts.
You need to mess people up legally, peacefully.
Right? You need to expose people.
You need to ask people to disavow people.
Follow Mike Cernovich on Twitter.
He's a past master at this stuff.
But you need to organize, and you need to start letter-writing campaigns, and you need to start boycotting, and you need to start causing trouble the way the left causes trouble.
Because we are in such a degraded moral state as a society that it is only the squeaky, whiny, bitter, black-clad, Starbucks-smashing wheel that gets the grease.
It is the feminists will organize, the gay mafia will organize, the leftists will organize, and they will attack, and they will cause trouble, and they will make waves.
And you have to do it.
There's none of this. Well, they go low, and we go high.
It doesn't work. It doesn't work, because people are like, oh, well, those people, they can harm my economic interests.
They can cause trouble for me.
Those people, well, they can't really do anything to me.
I'm going to appease those people.
Appeasement runs the world, people.
Appeasement runs the world.
You know, in Tommy Robinson's book, Muslim kid gets arrested.
The enemy of the state. You should read it.
Muslim kid gets arrested.
And the imams all say to the British police, well, if you don't release him, we can't control the Muslim youth.
So what happens? They let him out.
Because... Because appease...
Appease, appease, appease. That's where the world is.
The powers that be appease whoever is making the most trouble for them.
And if that's the left, they'll appease the left.
They don't care about reason and evidence and arguments and facts.
I got a whole presentation called Facts Don't Matter.
Facts don't matter to people.
What matters is getting through the day with the least amount of problems possible.
Getting through the day without anyone yelling at them or anyone causing trouble or anyone bitching at them or anyone doing anything.
Appease, appease, appease. That's how people run.
That is the sad, sorry, pitiful, degraded state of the West.
Governments, businesses, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, you name it, they appease in general.
And I love YouTube, don't get me wrong.
I really do. But...
If you're just going to sit there and say, well, I don't want it, and not do anything to encourage people to act on their values, you say, don't buy from that company.
They're fueled by leftists.
Don't spend money there.
That's whoever, right?
I mean, we just have to start.
Look what they're doing to the colleges that suppress free speech.
They go in there and they're downvoting them.
On social media. And they are convincing the alumni to stop giving them money.
And they're convincing people to not go to those colleges.
And some of those colleges, enrollment is down 40%.
Hit them in the wallet.
Hit them in the nads.
Metaphorically, right? Hit them where it hurts, which is prestige, reputation, income, stability.
And you can do all of this perfectly legally and perfectly peacefully.
I'm not saying go to the sort of shitty leftist standard.
I mean, obviously don't go to like hitting people with bike locks.
That's the leftist extremist shit.
Nothing like that. But there's voluntarism and ostracism.
I've said this for 10 years.
Ostracism. It's ostracism or tyranny.
Those are the only two choices we have in society when it comes to organizing things.
Ostracism or tyranny. And I wrote about this...
Way back in the day, I wrote about this in my very first book, On Truth, The Tyranny and Evolution.
I wrote about it in Everyday Anarchy.
I wrote about it in Practical Anarchy.
I wrote about it in Real-Time Relationships, The Logic of Love.
I wrote about it in UPB. You might say I have a bit of a theme.
If you're not willing to inflict ostracism, what good are you to any kind of movement?
If you're not willing to make trouble for people, what use are you?
You're just a reason and evidence typist.
Go watch... My video called The Death of Reason.
People do not make decisions rationally.
I hope in the future they will.
They do not. They are appeasing machines.
They are appeasement machines. That's all they are.
And if the left causes more trouble, the left will win.
It's that simple. Indeed.
Also, the big issue with the left is they have been killing our national identity since the 40s.
Since they came to power, you know.
So we have been left with this...
This strange country, which isn't even representative of what it used to be.
We lost the compass, so yeah.
I sincerely hope nothing like this happens in the West, ever.
What, leftists don't infiltrate the West?
I don't understand what you mean.
Ah, not that, but, you know, losing your national identity.
You don't think the West is losing their national identity?
Are you kidding me? Do you know Dunkirk was an amazing movie about how hard white British men had to fight to keep foreigners from coming in and taking over the country?
Boy, good thing they made all those sacrifices now, isn't it?
Was that the event in which the Germans could have drowned 300,000 British soldiers, right?
Hitler let them go? He didn't want to war with England.
He respected the British Empire.
Anyway. Oh.
Yeah. So, yeah.
It is happening all over the West, and it's going to keep happening until...
Now, you understand, the powers that be...
Desperately want only one group to appease.
Because the left was first in causing all this trouble, the left has a monopoly on this victim politics and this social justice warrior hyper-aggression, right?
And so if the right continues to just use all this reason and evidence, the powers that be are relatively happy because there's no obvious conflict.
If the right starts to cause trouble in the way that the left has been causing trouble, For the last hundred years.
Well... Then the powers that be are going to have a big problem.
Because what they've been doing now is they've been appeasing the left and sacrificing the right.
And they're happy to keep doing that because the left has proven themselves to be troublemakers and the right has been proven themselves to be, you know, mere reason and evidence appeasers and so on.
And so not only the left, but also the powers that be are heavily committed, heavily committed to pushing down any sign, any evidence, even the slightest whiff of the possibility that the right is going to start deploying the tactics of the left.
Because if the right starts deploying the tactics of the left, not only will the right start to win, But then the powers that be are going to have two factions fighting, neither of which are going to back down.
That's not very comfortable for the powers that be.
Like, if you're a crappy parent, right, and you have a brother and your sister, and the brother's always bullying the sister, and the sister always backs down.
Well, if you're a parent and you're a crappy parent, you want that to continue because as soon as the sister starts fighting back, your job as a parent becomes that much harder.
And so as soon as the right starts taking up the troublemaking characteristics of the left, the legal ones, then the powers that be, they have a big problem on their hands, which is that they can't appease everyone now.
They can't make everyone, quote, happy in the moment because they have...
Two forces in direct conflict with each other.
And people will work like hell to avoid that.
But the people who have rights on their side sure as hell shouldn't.
So, okay, I'm going to move on to the next caller, but I do appreciate your call in and thank you for letting me have the rant.
We'll do one final call for the night.
Alright, up next we have Josh.
Josh wrote in and said, The question I ask relates to not only Syrian refugees, but to all other less well-off people around the world in comparison to the Western world.
When is it acceptable to allow people to die in deplorable conditions?
That's from Josh. Hey Josh, how you doing?
I'm around yourself, Stefan.
Well, thanks. Why do you refer to them as Syrian refugees?
Because that's what the media has been referring to them as.
And that's how people would more recognize them as.
And if you called them, you know, migrants, then everyone's just going to make the connotation that they are the Syrian refugees anyway, even though most of them are not.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's important not to concede the language anyway, but...
I just want to point that out. Well, let me ask you this.
What are you doing about people dying in deplorable conditions around the world?
What's your activity in that area?
Not a damn thing.
All right. So why do you care about the question if you're not doing anything about it?
Because, as you've been saying, with the social justice left and the allowance of migrants into Europe from deplorable conditions, it does have an impact on the Western world, mainly Europe and For the time being, but it's going to slowly seep into our side of the ocean.
And whenever you talk to people about this, they always say something along the lines of, they're just coming here because they want a better life.
They just want to get out of the deplorable conditions that they're going to die in, whether it be war-torn Syria or apparently the deplorable condition that is Africa.
So... It's come down to the dichotomy of leaving them there, or this is how it's presented, the conundrum.
They're left there to die, or they're brought here for a better life.
So, between those two, leaving them there to die is, well, in my self-interest, the more preferable option.
What do you mean, leaving them there to die?
I don't understand what that means.
I mean, they're not fucking helpless dolls.
They don't lack will or the capacity to think, right?
I mean, I don't know what it means.
Like, I'm not some god along the world that can let people to die or save people from death.
I mean, leave them there to die.
They're not tied and bound at the bottom of a canyon or something.
They're not a hiking companion.
I don't know what it means to say allow people to die in deplorable conditions.
The West has developed the free market.
They're welcome to adopt the free market.
It's not patented. The West has developed the separation of church and state, which cost centuries of religious warfare from fundamentalists.
Separation of church and state, they're welcome to adopt that.
Anywhere in the world, nobody's going to stop them.
The West has developed a sense of egalitarianism between men and women.
It may have gone a little bit too far towards gynocentricism, and so on, probably has.
But yeah, you could work for equal rights from women.
The West has developed some more peaceful methods of child raising.
Again, not patented.
You could choose not to beat your children.
You could choose not to indoctrinate them in brutal ideologies.
I don't understand what it means.
Everything there is free.
And you don't have to come to the West to get it.
Because they're ideas.
The ideas can be transferred across the borders.
We have the internet. So you can get the great ideas the West has got, and you can implement them in your own country.
I don't know what it means to say that just allowing people to die...
Let me preface it then.
If you're talking to a leftist and you're talking about the migrant crisis and you say, no, they should not be allowed here, usually what they will respond with is something along the lines of, well, they're just trying to get to a better life, right?
Sure, I get that.
I mean, if someone goes and steals someone else's identity and assumes their identity, they have a better life.
They have access to that person's credit.
Maybe they can even get into their house.
I mean, a better life.
Why do they need to travel to the West to get a better life?
Why don't they just create countries that are better?
Beats me. Apparently, the left thinks they can't.
Well, of course, if they can't, Live in a free society that they create themselves, what makes anyone think they can live in a free society in the West?
If enough people in the Middle East want freedom, they'll get freedom.
What did people in the West do for freedom?
They fought like hell for it.
There were civil wars, there were revolutions, there were peaceful revolutions, there were intellectual revolutions.
That's how the West got its freedom.
I don't understand.
Are they helpless? If they're helpless, they're not going to fit into the West because the West is about conscience and self-determinism and free will and moral responsibility.
If they're helpless, play things of their environment, how are they going to fit in the West?
If they're not, the West has already developed the intellectual framework for a free and productive society.
It's not complicated.
Free market, separation of church and state, equality under the law.
It's not that complicated. And so, why can't they do it?
Well, we know why they can't do it.
At least there's some good ideas as to why they can't do it.
They can't do it because you have IQ 80 to 85.
They can't do it any more than Detroit can do it.
Any more than sub-Saharan Africa can do it.
Any more than the indigenous aboriginals or the pygmies in the Amazon rainforest can do it.
Because they don't have the intellectual horsepower on average to defer gratification and achieve freedom.
So even people raised in the relative freedoms of the West who have an IQ average of 85 can't reliably as a community achieve those freedoms.
So we know why.
It's IQ and ideology.
And so if the IQ and ideology is there, bringing them to the West won't change that.
No, you're absolutely right.
That's the thing when it comes to debating leftists and anybody who wants to bring migrants here who use that argument.
And I bring this up to you, sir, because nobody is willing to say, leave them there.
Whenever the argument comes up, they're just coming here for a better life.
Everybody just tries to dance around it.
Just... Dance around saying, no, leave them there.
If they die, they die.
That sucks, because that's what the left makes it sound like.
If they stay there, they're going to die in deplorable conditions.
And maybe, I'm sure many of them will, but as opposed to bringing them here where, you know, assimilation is proving quite difficult for them and leaving them there, I personally say they're there.
Well, no, see, but this is a false dichotomy.
There's no... I personally am happy to help people in the Middle East, personally.
Look, I've made the case before, it's worth making it again, and you've probably heard it, but just for those who haven't, you can help 12 people in the Middle East for every one person you bring into the West.
Clearly, there are hundreds and hundreds of millions of people in the Middle East who would like to live in the West.
Can they all come? No.
But that will completely destroy the economies of the West because of the welfare state and so on, right?
And the extraordinary expense of...
Language and cultural issues and needs for translation and you name it, right?
I mean, it completely destroyed the economies of the West.
And then you have a bunch of people who've left their homeland, tried to integrate into the West, and the West has collapsed economically.
What the hell? That cannot be considered anyone's solution, right?
A leftist solution? So, help people in the Middle East.
But the best way to help people in the Middle East...
Is to find the political leaders in the West who started the wars in the Middle East and throw them in jail!
International war crime of aggression.
Throw them in jail!
Absolutely. Because that way, people, political leaders, might think twice before bombing the shit out of the entire Middle East.
Absolutely. I'm talking about 2003 Bush.
I'm talking about Tony Blair.
I'm talking about Barack Obama.
All people who bombed with no declaration of war or who bombed with no justification of self-defense or who invaded with no justification of self-defense.
Iraq posed no threat to the United States or to England.
So the idea that you can just go invade countries Because groups of people with highly conflicted interests say, oh no, you'll be greeted as liberators, bouquets and flowers.
The idea that we're going to solve this by just letting the political leaders get away with crimes against humanity and then taking...
All of the displaced people or some of the displaced people or everyone who's hiding amongst all those displaced peoples?
Come on. This is not how you solve problems.
You stop sending foreign aid which destroys the local economies.
You stop arming governments around the world.
You stop invading and bombing countries.
You stop arming insurgents.
You stay the fuck home!
And you stop meddling with eternal weaponry In the most volatile regions in the known universe.
I mean, it's not that the West is failing to help.
The West has been trying to manage the Middle East for hundreds of years.
Just stop it.
Just stop it.
Absolutely. And I am in full 100% agreement with you, sir, that this is a problem that, well, the West has brought on itself.
And by the West, I mean the Western governments, of course.
This is a problem we brought on ourselves.
So, I mean, this whole thing could have been avoided if we just minded our own fucking business as we should have.
Right. And the people who were pro-war, they have some responsibility in the matter.
Hang on a sec, my camera's going all foggy.
Wait till the camera... Yes.
And, well, you remember the propaganda phrase that was pretty prominent during the Iraq war, right?
Support the troops? I'm pretty sure we all remember that.
Oh, yeah. So, where are these same people when the troops are dying more from suicide than, you know, fighting in the wars?
Where are those people?
You mean the R-selected people who like watching K-selected people die?
I think that they're enjoying it with a bowl of popcorn, frankly.
Ouch. But probably more accurate than we're willing to admit.
Mainly because this is one of my bigger problems with a lot of people.
There's a lot of talk.
No action. I have made it quite clear I don't care about the people dying in deplorable conditions in Africa.
I'm honest about that.
I don't care. They're not connected to me.
They are not part of my life.
I'm sorry to interrupt you.
I think you and I would care insofar as by dumping massive amounts of free food and free foreign aid in these countries, as well as destroying their local economies with free food and free foreign aid, the West has stimulated an unsustainable population growth in Africa.
Very true, yes. Right, so the people would not be having eight kids if there was not enough food.
They would restrain their fertility, as human beings are wont to do.
So we've just dumped massive amounts of food into Africa, and lo and behold, looky la, you've got massive amounts of Africans.
So I really think it's very cruel to stimulate the production of human life that can't be sustained in the current environment.
Because if the West stops dumping all this free food and free aid into Africa, what's going to happen?
Brutal civil wars, overthrows, dictatorships, mass migration.
It's horrible. And so I care.
I don't want people to be brought into this world in order to suffer and die in pointless civil wars and revolutions and riots and fights over food.
I think it's terrible. I think it's terrible.
I don't think that's right at all.
But now that the situation has been created, now the situation has been created, To ask the people who were opposed to the policies that produced the situation to deal with the...
to sacrifice for the solution is insane.
It's like only drafting the people who were against the Iraq war.
Right? Right.
I should not suffer for the result of policies that I have strongly opposed my entire adult life.
That I have argued against for 30 years.
They fucked up Africa.
By dumping all this free food and free resources and selling a shitload of weaponry to despotic governments.
They fucked up Africa.
And they, the political elites, the leaders, the people who profited from it, they should be the ones to pay.
It was wrong to steal from people in the West and dump massive amounts of free stuff into Africa.
You have an IQ 70 to 85 population.
They're just gonna have lots of kids.
You know, high IQ populations restrain their breeding where there are excess resources.
Low IQ populations breed to carrying capacity.
The carrying capacity is unsustainable.
It's literally like feeding...
I mean, this is a silly analogy, but it's like feeding your garden, seeding it with like incredible food for rabbits.
Until there are thousands of rabbits and then cutting the food off.
That's just sadistic, you understand?
Oh, look at the rabbits starve.
Look at the rabbits fight. Are you crazy?
This is evil. It's so wrong.
It's unholy.
It's satanic. It's demonic.
Yes, I'm not saying...
I have my life to live.
I have my values to pursue.
I have my family to raise. I have my listenership to court and please.
So I don't sort of sit there and wake up, you know, 500 times a night saying, somebody else died somewhere in the world.
You know, everybody goes along with their life, right?
But I can certainly see the bigger picture and how horrible it has been.
The new and even more brutal colonialism of foreign aid has been far more destructive than colonialism could ever be, even as it's portrayed.
Yes. What I was getting at, though, was when you see these people say they care, ask them what they do personally, and you'll find that they don't do anything.
They call on governments to do their work for them, pretty much like they do everything else.
Have you been following the J.K. Rowling thing at all?
Yes, I have.
J.K. Rowling, big fan of the migrants.
Big fan of the migrants.
And Mike Cernovich is like, hey...
You've got like 30 bedrooms.
I will pay for the migrants' flights to get to your house.
How do we make this happen? No reply.
And then, I mean, she put out something about Donald Trump not wanting to touch a boy in a wheelchair, which was a complete lie.
He did hug the boy and all that kind of stuff.
It's still up. You know, I don't know, J.K. Rowling.
What can I say? Write an evil...
A fictionalized villain, cool.
B, a real non-fictionalized villain, not cool.
Well, yeah, but that's what I'm talking about.
When you call them out on their bullshit, and this happens to a lot of people who do not, as you say, have facts and arguments and logic backing them.
When you call them out on their bullshit and inconsistencies, what do they do?
They either shut down or they lash out with self-righteous indignation they have not earned.
And all they have is emotional gratification in the moment, where they've decided that they don't need to see into the future.
They don't need to see the consequences, the longer-term consequences.
All they want to do is feel good in the moment.
But it's an addiction, right?
Yeah. Virtue signaling is an addiction.
This pomposity of looking good rather than doing good is an addiction.
And what do drug addicts do?
When you take away their supply, they manipulate, they attack, they wheedle, they cajole, they lie, they brutalize, they abuse, they, I mean, they just do whatever they can to get their drug.
Absolutely. And this kind of dopamine hit, this shitty dopamine hit of, well, I'm going to say the right thing.
And it's a very elaborate and elegant fuck you to anybody who's got a rational view of the world.
You know, hey, you know, resources are limited.
We can't do everything, you know.
Oh, well, I just care about people.
It's like, I mean, what do you even say to people like that?
You tell them to fuck off.
You know, we have a thousand people in the ocean and we have lifeboats for a hundred.
Well, I just care about people.
Well, I know who's going off the lifeboat now.
Use that altruism.
Good job. So, what I was wanting to get at with this was...
The fact of the matter is that in this view, in the leftist view, and yes, it is a false dichotomy, but it is a dichotomy that the mainstream media portrays, that social justice portrays, that these people are going to stay in these areas, these deplorable areas, and they're going to die unless they are brought back.
But that's just false.
Again, I mean, it's just, I just, you know, they don't know the history, they don't know the opportunities, they don't know the possibilities.
You know, Saudi Arabia has a tent city that can house hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people.
They've taken virtually no one.
There are tons of countries around now.
People say, well, no one in the Middle East has taken anyone.
That's not exactly true. There are people who have been taken by other Middle Eastern countries.
But this is not, why does Europe have to solve this problem?
The Middle East, the Muslim world is fantastically wealthy in many ways.
They stole a bunch of Western oil companies and have been milking it ever since.
Why do Christians and agnostics and atheists have to solve problems in Muslim countries involving Muslims?
Why? I mean, did the Muslim world say, oh, don't worry, Europe, you're having a world war, we'll take everyone?
They didn't. No.
But if you ask people, they'll say because, you know, the United States government and the Western governments went in and fucked everything up.
Great. Then we should throw people in jail.
Then we should punish people.
You know, if someone goes and commits a crime, we don't ask everyone in the neighborhood to suffer as a result.
We take that person, we identify them, and we throw them in jail as a disincentive for other people and as a promise that it's not going to recur.
Right. Yeah.
And this goes back to what you said in the other call about, I'm allowed to mention that, right?
I hope I am. About, you know, the right needing to throw a fit.
About the right needing to get some results, finally.
The left's been getting results.
And as we both know, results are what matter at the end of the day.
At least that's what- That's all that matters, fundamentally.
You know, like when I was going through chemo, you know what I cared about?
Yeah. Absolutely.
And that's the thing.
Results are what matter. The left has been getting the results.
They're still getting the results.
If the right wants anything to get done by the way we want it to get done, we need to switch up tactics that get results.
What we've been doing so far with using logic and reason and evidence, which you've said the left has pretty much a shield around their head where they won't accept it, it's not working.
So telling them about the history or anything of that like for the Muslim world, that's not going to do any good.
I mean, Republicans...
Fucking Republicans.
Jesus Christ.
What a fraudulent fucking organization.
How many hundreds of millions of dollars did those bastards raise on the promise of repealing Obamacare?
Give to us! We'll repeal Obamacare!
Donate to us so we can repeal Obamacare!
Fucking fraud! They have had the majority for a long time and they have tried and they have tried and they won't fucking do it.
That's fraud to me. Give me $500, I'll ship you an iPad.
Thanks for $500, here's a piece of shit in an iPad box.
Are you happy now? Absolute fraud!
They made a promise!
Dammit! They took hundreds of millions of dollars, raised hundreds of billions of dollars to deliver mostly one thing.
Repealing Obamacare.
Not, and this is how pathetic it's become for Republicans in the West prior to Donald Trump.
This is how sad it is.
They're not asking for a fully free market in healthcare.
They're just saying, take this semi-fascistic Obamacare shit off our necks.
That's all they're asking for.
They're not saying, can we go back to 1776?
They're not saying, can we go back to 1911?
They're saying, can we just go back to before Obamacare?
We're not talking 100 years or 50 years of rolling shit back.
We're just talking a couple of years back.
No! Oh, it's sad.
It's sad. John McCain?
John fucking McCain.
The tumor had something to do with it.
Just pretend the tumor had something to do with it.
I gotta think, if the tumor feeds on integrity, it's gonna have a pretty fucking hungry life ahead of it.
John McCain, I'm campaigning to repeal Obamacare.
Here's your chance, John.
Go. I know it's not perfect.
It may not have even been great, but at least that's what you promised.
No. Now I'm going to go over and giggle with the Democrats.
Let's see Trump make America great now.
Yeah, I prefer people who weren't captured too.
Okay, so there was another part to the deplorable conditions thing, and it's not to do with refugees or migrants.
It's actually to do with people who've made terrible fucking decisions in the first world, such as a single mother who's slept around with like five guys and has five different children, and she is unable to care for those children.
Wait, why is she unable to care for them?
Uh... Between working and actually being around...
I'm sorry, I'm making a lot of leaps.
No, no, come on.
You're just setting up helplessness the same way that leftists do with the migrants.
Yeah, yeah. Of course she's able to care for the kids.
Because, look, let's say there are seven single moms in an apartment building.
And trust me, apartment buildings are full of them.
I grew up in one. There are seven single moms in an apartment building.
So what do they do? They all get together in the lobby and they say, okay, I work Monday, you take care of the kids Monday.
I work Tuesday, you take care of the kids Monday.
I work Monday. Right?
They can figure it out. No, you're right.
You're absolutely right. Now, if they can't figure it out, if they can't even figure out how to take care of their children, should they even be voting?
Come on. I mean, they can't even tell you.
Of course they can. If they can't figure out how to take care of their kids, then somebody else needs to be taking care of their kids.
I wish the world worked that way.
No, the world would work exactly that way if the government wasn't propping up all these terrible decisions and subsidizing everyone.
Yeah, unfortunately, that's the way the world works, is the government's propping up bad decisions.
But anyway, you know this.
This is one of those ANCAP traps where you've taken this helpless situation where you've got the false dichotomy of either the government does it or it's not going to get done at all, right?
Right. And you've got this situation where if you're an anarchist where you have to say, either let the children starve or let the government come in and rescue the woman, the single mother, from her bad decisions.
And that's the framework they work in.
I know it's a stupid framework.
It's not rational in the least that there's a million questions to ask.
Because that's their frame of mind.
And what I would like to see is people answer honestly within that little framework.
No. That framework you can't win, just jump out.
You just say to them, "Okay, how do you pay off the national debt?" Simple.
Say to the left, "It's okay.
The US has $150 trillion in unfunded liabilities.
How are you going to pay for it? The US government has promised more than $150 trillion.
It has no money to pay.
How are you going to pay for it?
We're gonna raise taxes on the wealthy.
Okay, show me the math.
Show me the fucking math, genius.
Good luck. Uh, magic?
Right? And it's like, okay, listen, there's...
There's one of my favorite movies called The Room of the View.
I've never seen it. You should watch it.
It's a great movie. It's a great, great movie.
And in it, I won't get into the details, but in it, one guy asks a bunch of questions of another guy, and they don't really have an answer.
And he's like, oh, so you haven't really thought about this seriously at all, so why should I bother listening?
It's like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, the U.S., how much does the U.S. have in unfunded liabilities?
I don't know. What's the U.S. national debt?
I don't know. What's the U.S. deficit?
I don't know. What's the biggest items in the U.S. deficit budget?
Or what's the biggest items in the U.S. budget?
I don't know. It's like, well, why the fuck should I listen to you?
You don't know anything. Like, why should, why could you, how could you be so stupid as to think that anybody should listen to you about a subject you know nothing about?
And even if they do know these numbers, say, okay, how are you gonna pay?
How are you gonna pay for these unfunded liabilities?
Magic, right? I mean, you can't.
These unfunded liabilities cannot be paid for.
So don't give me this there's a future with no suffering bullshit.
There's no future without suffering.
The hole has been dug so deep there is going to be no future wherein no sacrifice is going to be required.
And you know what? This sacrifice will make us better.
I wish it weren't true, I wish it wasn't gonna happen, but by God it's gonna make us better, because you know what?
We are so fucking deluded as a culture in the West.
We live in such mad, insane, deluded unreality, fiddling while Rome burns, arguing about how many migrants we can possibly take in when we can't afford any of the promises we've made to our citizens.
You mistake me, Stefan.
I am looking forward to the day when we finally admit this can't go on forever.
I'm looking forward to the day when—it's schadenfreude.
It's my own schadenfreude.
I look forward to the day when everyone fucking realizes that this system—and they want to make it bigger—that it cannot get any bigger.
It cannot get any worse.
This hole cannot get any deeper.
I mean, it's going to get deeper.
But there's going to come a point when we have nowhere to throw the dirt anymore.
And I want to see the looks on everyone's face who thought that they were going to have universal health care, who thought they were going to have old age pension retirement via transfer of wealth from the young to the old.
These people are thieves.
They want to take from other people and give it to themselves.
Or whatever emotional bullshit lacking consequential foresight that they have.
I don't like these people.
I really don't.
And when they finally realize that everything they thought they could do, that people would just put up with it forever, well...
When they find out that it will not happen, when they've tried to uplift people from poverty, when they've tried to take care of everyone, and it fucks over everyone, I want to see what they have to say.
I want to see what they have to say to their children.
They won't say anything different than everything they've been saying already.
They won't learn a thing. We have in the West.
We can blame everyone we want.
We can blame the government.
We can blame the migrants. We can blame the unions.
We can blame... But we have just become a deeply immoral society.
We've become a deeply vicious society.
We've become a society...
That self-righteously pursues vampiric predation upon the young.
That uses babies as collateral to feed our materialistic greed.
That is happy to sell off the next generation of Chinese banksters in order to stuff ourselves with saturated fats in the here and now, who grow obese on drinking the blood of the unborn.
We have become a deeply vampiric and deeply immoral society.
And this is something people really, really need to understand.
It's not fundamentally the government that has failed.
It is not fundamentally socialism that has failed.
It is not central planning that has failed.
None of that has failed. We have failed.
We have failed.
The people have failed.
And people like you and I who've been speaking reason and truth to the ignorant and the powerful for decades, we have not failed because I have acquitted myself as honorably as I can conceivably have done so in this fight.
I have taken the risks.
I have pushed the envelope.
I have challenged people with challenging topics for as long as the show has been running and taken the hits thereby, which is fine.
That's part of the game. But we have become a deeply immoral society, and we don't see it.
And that is the fundamental problem of our immorality.
We don't even have the decency to feel shitty about bending over the cribs and drinking the blood of the young.
Like, people will self-righteously shake their fists at government and say, go tax those babies!
Go sell off those babies!
You know, people are appalled at the possibility, even the vague insinuation that abortion mills are selling off baby parts.
Christ! How about the national debt?
We're selling off entire lives.
We're selling off entire futures.
Lying to 17-year-olds and burying them in hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt, sometimes to indoctrinate them in shitty anti-market education, throw them out into the free market and watch them fail.
Watching them never get a life started.
We don't care about children being thrown into shitty government schools and being taught by blind, low-rent ideologues.
We don't care about all the crap they put in the food.
We don't care about, oh, let's just appease the kids with sugar and let's buy everything in the supermarket which has sugar, which is basically everything in a box these days.
We don't care. Oh, the children are problematic?
Let's drug them with drugs that shrink up to 10% of their fucking brain mass.
Rather than change the system, we don't care.
We don't care.
We don't care about the young.
We don't care about the future. We care about stuffing our fat fucking faces with taxpayer money robbed from the unborn.
That's all we care about these days.
And buying five more minutes apiece so we don't have to be troubled as we continue to stuff our aforementioned fat fucking faces.
We don't care about what's noble, about what's good, about what's right, and the very concept of sacrifice seems to have been irradiated out of the Western soul.
Maybe it was the grand exodus of case-selected bodies in World War II. I don't know.
But the idea of sacrifice?
The idea of living within your means, the idea of honesty, the idea of having a conscience.
When have you ever heard any of the boomers say, Sorry kids, we completely fucked it up for you.
We got greedy. Our greed ran away with us.
And we fogged out of reality and pretended we didn't have the basic numerical skills that come with counting your fingers and your toes.
We borrowed. We mortgaged.
We got you viciously into debt.
And there's nothing to show for it other than a vastly bigger government that's going to choke off your economic opportunities.
We had freedom. We had low taxes.
And we used all of that freedom and low taxes to beg money from the government, beg free stuff from the government.
The government went into debt, and now we don't even hand you a tenth of the freedoms we were handed.
We hand you nothing, because we hand you a gargantuan government, massive unfunded liabilities, massive debt, massive deficits, demographic replacement, Oh, now we need even more than ever because now we're not even going to pretend to pay taxes.
Now we just want free healthcare and our old age pensions.
Fuck you very much. I believe Ayn Rand called that unfreedom, where you've essentially thrown away freedom for security.
When you throw away freedom for security, you deserve neither and lose both, especially when it comes to government, especially when it comes to an institution where they can't even handle a pension plan, and these people want them to handle health care?
They can't even handle building steps down the side of a park, as they talked about earlier in the show.
So we have just become a deeply cold, selfish, materialistic, greedy, conscienceless bunch of vampires all maneuvering to feed off the state at the expense of the future.
Yes. And when you stray far enough from reality, nature wipes you out.
I mean, nature doesn't care.
You know, if you think that that approaching train is your friend and you should run up and give it a hug, nature doesn't care about your delusions.
I believe that's a Darwin Award.
Well, maybe entire cultures can get Darwin Awards.
So this is, I mean, this is the fundamental, but the deficiency is in morality.
The deficiency is in ethics.
The deficiency is in empathy.
Like, instead of real empathy for the children in our societies, we have this pretend empathy for the migrants of other countries.
Instead of genuine compassion for our culture and our society, and instead of compassion...
For the millions of men, largely men, who died to deliver us our freedoms instead of compassion for their sacrifice.
We have sentimentality about mad schemes of diversity that won't ever work.
And we'll do the exact opposite of working in the long run.
So this is the reality of where we are.
We need a moral revolution.
We need a moral revolution.
And I have my criticisms of Islam, but The idea that we're just so much more moral and we're just so much better and we have it all down as far as reality and ethics go, I could very easily make a case the exact opposite direction.
And so, yeah, we better get our shit together and we better remember what it's like to have ethics and what it's like to have compassion and what it's like to have caring and what it's like to want to treasure all of the gifts that our ancestors died to hand us.
Because right now, we are bleeding dry.
The bank, we are bleeding out the capital that sustained our civilization.
And it's like our entire culture is like what the rich guy, the very rich guy, for real, was once asked when he went bankrupt.
And someone asked him, how did you go bankrupt?
And he said, funny, very slowly, and then very quickly.
And that's how we go bankrupt as well, morally, very slowly.
And then very quickly. So thanks everyone so much for calling in tonight.
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